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Inside ArtScroll - Season 3 Episode 10: Nachi Gordon
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Meaningful Minute founder and coordinator Nachi Gordon understands the power of one minute: every word a block with which you can build, every thought filled with potential to uplift – short, but so powerful. In this Inside ArtScroll interview, Nachi discusses his Meaningful Minute book and his journey working to creating the Meaningful Minute platform, ensuring that the meaningful messages he transmits have the power to impact people’s lives positively. Buy the book HERE! (https://www.artscroll.com/Books/9781422622773.html)
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[Music]
Hello everyone and welcome back to
Inside Art Scroll where the books you
read and the people who write them come
to life. Today we are joined by Nahi
Gordon, founder of Meaningful Minute and
the author of Meaningful Minute, a book
published by Arts Girl several years
ago. Thank you, Naki, for being here.
Thank you for having me. It's quite a
treat. I know this is a kind of a little
different for you. I feel like I'm in
the hot seat right now. You're in the
hot seat. I'm nervous. Nah's usually
used to doing the interviews. Yes. Yes.
But over here, we want to learn a little
more about what you do, of course. Now,
let's start with the book. The book came
out a few years ago. It was adapted from
your meaningful minute videos video
clips. Tell us a little about the book
and before we get into the specifics of
meaningful minute for those few people
who never heard of it tell people what
you do. So um as it pertains to the book
you know meaningful minute the
organization that uh cuts up content and
sends it out via WhatsApp started in
2017 not too long ago. feels like a long
time ago, but it's not too long ago. And
um we barome quickly, you know, created
a a large audience. Um at that point, uh
we were sending out our videos via
WhatsApp and Instagram to over 25,000
people. I was in camp monk in the
summers and I went over to and I know
Gdalai's lads for many years repay lots
for many years and surely Besser had
visited the grounds one one day and we
just you know had mentioned the idea of
a meaningful minute book and we had a
meeting us three and we you know we
decided to run with it to sort of take
these videos that um people are watching
and loving throughout their day and
putting it in in a in word in
where they can just read short ideas and
concepts and just um think about them,
discuss them, walk away with with
concrete, you know, solid pointers. Um
so we released this book, I believe it
was in 2019. I don't I don't know for
sure, but it was I think it was around
that time. And uh it's one of one of the
proud moments of my life being able to
No, it's amazing. A beautiful book with
beautiful quotes and inspiration. Now
2017, we're doing this conversation in
2022. It's five years. You went from
having an idea to take small video clips
and send it out. And today you have a
tremendous following of literally tens
of thousands of people all over the
world who you reach. How did you go from
concept to reality to reaching so many
people? Yeah. So, you know, the
following is there. I think it was
honestly I started meaningful as a
hobby. It's something that I um felt
like I would enjoy myself. So, it
started like that and it's it began to
snowball and we went from focused on
creating those minute clips to um making
a few events in different different
cities. Um done really really nicely
bringing in top speakers. Uh we then
decided, you know, let's sort of create
our own platform, our own app. uh we
went ahead and and did that and you know
to date the app has around 30,000
downloads and our our mobile app serves
as a social media that's dedicated to
Torah thoughts and ideas and just
meaningful content overall. Uh whereas
if you look at Twitter or Instagram or
other social media platforms, it's
filled with not meaningful content most
of the time. Um, our platform gives
rabbis and speakers and uh male
speakers, female speakers the ability
to use social media in a in a safe way
and and reach an audience um in a safe
space but has that still social media
feel and vibe where they're posting in
real time, they're interacting with with
people who are following them. So that
was sort of you know a different another
idea that we had. Um Mosha Majeski is is
one of the people who's very involved in
in getting behind that project. From
there, you know, I started the
meaningful people podcasts where uh we
interview different personalities each
week. Uh which bar is one of the top
podcasts in Judaism. We have over 70
episodes I believe that are out already
and it it gets around, you know, 35 to
40,000 downloads and and views each
week. So, um, and and then off of that,
you know, we just we we pivoted and we
transitioned to be, you know, meaningful
minute with a rebrand, with a new logo,
uh, with office space, with a staff of
seven employees, uh, focused on creating
meaningful content um, in whatever form
that may be. That could be in in in uh,
in a form of a vlog, it could be a
podcast, it could be um, a documentary,
a film that we have coming out uh,
shortly with Schlam Z. You say create
content and that's your goal. If you
don't mind me asking, are you a
business? Are you a nonprofit? So
meaningful, are you a stuck
organization? What are you? So
meaningful minute is a is a 501c3. We're
a nonprofit organization. Um at at our
core, we operate like a business. We we
take our um our goals and our and our
missions very seriously. And we have,
you know, plans on how to um execute
them. you know, we have project
managers, graphic designers, social
media managers. Um, it's incredible. We
have we have just like Arts Girl,
meaning has an amazing team that I'm
able to sit here and there's so much
that's being done from um our social
media manager that I just got the stats
earlier today. In the past two weeks, we
reached 2.6 million people on Instagram
alone. That's just one platform alone.
The unique people, 2.6 million unique
people and that's on Instagram alone.
And um the platform has continued to
grow. You know, WhatsApp is is very
popular, WhatsApp status, WhatsApp
broadcast, and uh we're just trying to
keep up with the demand, but we are a
nonprofit organization. We are funded by
thousands of of our users and and you
solicit donations from the users. Are
you actively fundraising? We we will
reach out. We our fundraising is a
little bit different than probably the
typical organization. I think most
organizations are probably probably you
know 80% um big big money 20% crowdfund
meaningful minute really is I would say
95% crowdfund 5% big money donate
donations so which is an amazing amazing
thing to see is that in the past year
we've had over 3,000 people donate and
that could be anywhere from $50 $200 to
$18 But we have a large loyal base of
people that love, you know, what we're
doing, that see the service that we've
created and um are interested in seeing
it grow and grow every single day. Now,
the cynics might say, you know,
meaningful minutes sounds like a nice
idea, but it's a bite-sized piece of
inspiration. Is that something that
could really change people? It's
something that could have a a lasting
impact on people who learn muser for
years and years and years to change one
meda to make some kind of change in
their life that will be meaningful and
over here you're kind of packaging it in
a minute. Do you ever hear from cynics
who say you know there's not really much
here? So I mean perhaps in the beginning
that was you know what we were doing was
foreign to the market. So it could be in
the beginning that was that was an idea
but I think now our our uh philosophy
and our our mission is that it starts
with a minute. you know, we we all have,
you know, uh I think 1440 minutes in our
day and um you spend your time doing all
sorts of things and if you could just
take 60 seconds to watch some sort of
clip that we send out that we carefully
curate and are making sure it's it's
hitting that spot for you, ultimately
it'll lead to it'll lead to more
inspiration and more motivation for you
to take in the other content which
you're creating which is more than a
minute. It's it starts with a minute,
you know, the drops of the rock, you
know, imagine watching uh 60 seconds
every single day for four years and it
make an impact. It has made an impact.
If if it didn't, we probably wouldn't
still be doing what we're doing. Right.
Right. Right. Have you heard real
stories from people who say, you know
what, I've I watched something, I read
something, I saw an interview and and it
made a colossal impact on 100%. I think
one of the biggest impacts um I've that
had that had at me because again meaning
film minute for me was a hobby for a
little bit a stretch of time probably
for the first seven months eight months
that I was doing it and you got married
after you came up with the idea right
yeah I got married around probably a
year or so a year in after after the
launch and your wife was on board with
the project yeah she she loved it she's
actually probably one of the only people
who who didn't really know about it
before we had started dating and you
still married her of course that's why
you know if I All right. Um, so I was
reading an issue of Mishbaka magazine
and surely best had written a cover
cover story about a Ramy Klein and his
daughter Mali who passed away Al Shalom
and by by Shiva Amy writes how there was
a lot of noise, a lot of people saying a
lot of different things and there was a
lot of chaos. He had just lost his
daughter and a clip came to him which he
would watch every single day for
meaningful minute. And this one was a
video of a man and it gave him the words
in the to sort of um fortify and and
speak out about you know the issues that
he think exist and how we can you know
better address them. And when I read
that again this is something I was doing
as a hobby. I was not I was not yet
married then or engaged. I was a young a
young uh guess called kid and I was like
wow like this this could actually make
an impact and it does make an impact. We
get messages. I get messages every
single day of people saying that, you
know, the minutes themselves, the
podcasts, the the uh the app, the the
short videos that we are putting out. um
just really attacking and and and
working with Jewish media, Torah
content, you know, taking the the
technological concepts and ideas and
advances that existed in society and
imple implementing it in the firm world
in the Jewish world. You know, gone are
the days where we need to like look look
where we're sitting right now. This is
this is beautiful. You know, art school
gets it. But gone are those days where
we need to be um creating low quality.
We can we can do so much more. You
definitely raised the bar. I I hope so.
I hope so. And and and since we've
started, there's many others that have
started and it's I I love it. I love
seeing it.
Um I consider this just the beginning
for myself, for me, for my organization.
I think there's so much that we're
working on. I I I have a many meetings
throughout my day um just discussing
different projects that we're working
on. And I always I always discuss with
with different donors and people who are
involved that you know
Adme come up to Hashem
or and Hashem's gonna look at us and he
say well if you look to your right
there's 100,000 Jews that we're from but
you could have they were waiting for
their spark to be lit up brighter. If
you look to your left you'll see
millions of Jews. They never saw
anything Jewish in their entire
lives. And if you would have just used
what I created, he created all these
platforms for what? For what? So it
could be used for the narrate that it's
used for
generally. I What if Hashem says to us,
well, why didn't you take those those
technology that technology that existed
and those possibilities and reach these
millions of people?
Millions of Jews are not are not seeing
Alfa. They're not seeing any any
anything of Jewish content. And if you
could reach them just with a little bit,
you never know what could light their
spot. Your videos are all very very
positive. It's it's telling people
really how great they are, the abilities
that they have, the possibilities that
are out there. It's it's really it's
it's a non-stop flow of positivity.
There's not a lot of discussion as far
as what I've seen and you'll forgive me
for again going
disync discussion
of and about so much about
accountability. It's less of that and
more of the positive. You ever get
people who say to you, you know, maybe
it's time to up it a little and you know
tell people that, you know, the the
world is here for a reason. We're all
here for a purpose and we're ultimately
going to be held accountable. It's not
always hunky dory. Not everything is,
you know, is is is just fluff and
positivity. You ever you ever get that?
So there there are definitely um people
who want more and require more and and
and I hope in some capacity we are
creating more content that can you know
fill that f fill that need and that
void. I think overall
um there's this new trend and it's not
that old that people need to be told
that you know you have a lot of
intrinsic value and I think you could
ask any therapist that's operating with
our practice and uh we can sit here and
say well we've said it enough already
and people know it already but I don't
think people do know it and if they
don't know if they maybe they do know it
but maybe they don't feel it. So if we
can talk to their emotions and create
content that is finding different ways
to get across these messages, I think
that's what we do. I think there are
times where we will get a little
stronger with our messages. Um times of
introspection, times that are on the
heels of tragedy. Something that's
special about the actual minute aspect
of meaningful minute is that we're there
every single day, seven days a week,
Matzi Shabas, Friday, you know, every
every every day we're going to send you
a clip and a lot of them will pertain to
what's going on in the world at that
time. Whether it's meron, whether it's
uh what what's happening in our surf
side. Yeah. There there are we're we're
living here in this world. We have our
head, you know, not in the sand. We see
what's going on and we try to, you know,
sort of create those messages that will
speak to you. We'll speak to the people
and we're not pretending that things
aren't going on in the world. We're not
pretending that, you know, these aren't
there are certain things that aren't
challenges. So we we as it pertains to
the actual minute, we we definitely try
to stay positive. You know, we just
launched this new podcast, deep
meaningful conversations with Alex
Flexer and Ricky Silver, both very u
accomplished women from Cleveland. And
they put out an episode, their first
episode they put out with us was titled
vulnerability and oversharing. And a lot
of a lot that was discussed is when are
you sharing too much? Take social media
for example. Are like what's the concept
of maybe I shouldn't show this or maybe
I shouldn't share this.
So, we're trying to as an
organization give across important
messages from a Torah aspect, from a
Torah lifestyle aspect that can have
people uh just use their brain and think
that, well, maybe I shouldn't do this or
maybe I shouldn't say this or maybe I
should do this or maybe I should say
this. But whatever we're putting out
there is with the hopes of somebody
having that that knowledge and that
education and a different perspective
and that nuance which I think is super
important nowadays. Speaking of having
standards, which is what you're alluding
to, how do you decide through all your
platforms and your writings and what and
you have a a wonderful weekly newsletter
you put out as well. How do you decide
who qualifies to send out a message? I
mean, maybe when you started, you took
from whoever you could because you were
just uh kind of getting your message out
there. But now that you're an
established entity, what's your standard
as to which man or woman or child or or
whoever qualifies to send out messages
of or is it really just anyone who has a
phone who could record themselves and
could say something coherent that now
you're giving them a platform to send
their message out? Right. So, um it's
it's certainly not the latter. It's not
everybody can just send a message. We
are careful with who we collaborate with
as it comes to our app, our Instagram,
our WhatsApp, um our podcast, wherever,
whatever it may be. We're very careful.
We're very careful. We want to make sure
it's, you know, it's somebody that we
feel can speak to the needs and the
wants of people today. Um it's people
who um are in line with the values and
the standards that meaningful has in
terms of production. Um and of course in
terms of content who established those
standards based so I I have you know
guidance from my my rebies name is
Wimburgger uh I speak to him all the
time constantly asking shyus making sure
that um I myself am staying within
certain boundaries and certain lines
there it's very easy especially um the
way we're positioned on on social media
on Instagram we have over 40,000
followers we have videos that have over
80 90,000 views um so things happen in
the world and we want to sort of chime
in from a meaningful perspective
perspective. Um, but some things maybe
we shouldn't be chiming in on. Maybe I
was going to say maybe because you're
reaching out to so many people.
Sometimes there's almost this Yates to
dilute what you're putting out there
because you want it to be you want it to
be something that such a wide range of
people could associate with. Sometimes
when you're targeting a certain audience
so then you you know you you limit
yourself. We are we have a very diverse
audience. We have from the the very
modern orthodox to borderline maybe from
not from to the to very
very shocked. I was by a shabatone
recently that was you were there as well
and there was many many I was blown away
by how many um consume the content that
that meaning puts out. So we um we walk
a fine line and we set with a lot of
every decision that we make is is having
in mind of obviously focused on
positivity and I don't mean you know
telling everyone that they're amazing
all the time but uh focusing on
positivity not trying to cancel anybody
not trying to call anybody out for
shortcomings um always trying to look at
the silver lining and and um at the same
time we we do have discussions and
conversations that need to be had um on
on the meaningful people people podcast.
We have discussions about uh domestic
violence and and things like that which
we just offer again knowledge,
perspective and an insight into certain
ideas and concepts that maybe haven't
been spoken enough about certainly not
on a larger stage. Um baram I'm very
blessed to be able to have been gifted
from Hashem this platform this stage and
I don't take that lightly. I I uh and
I'm not and I'm not perfect with the
decisions either. There have been times
where maybe I've decided maybe let's do
this and let's do that and I'll second
guess and I'll think you know what maybe
that wasn't the smartest move. Maybe
taking a stance on this isn't the best.
Um but nobody's perfect you know uh it's
a learning it's a learning experience
but we are just um when I say we is my
staff you know like I I uh I'm one man
but one man can't do the work that needs
to be done for the hundreds of thousands
of people that we reach. Now, meaningful
people podcast you mentioned, which so
many people enjoy. You mentioned tens of
thousands of people watching. One thing
that I wanted to ask you about is on
this program, Inside Arts Girl Scroll,
since we started, I've gotten mixed
messages from people as far as the
length of the episode. Some people tell
me, I love when it's long. You really
get into the kishkas of the interviewee.
I want more. And other people tell me,
you know, if it's longer than 20
minutes, I just I don't have the zitzv.
your meaningful people podcast episodes
are generally over an hour and sometimes
well over an hour. What's your feedback
from people as far as especially the
dichotomy of the fact that you're also
the meaningful minute minute person?
Yeah. So you got people who have
patience for a minute and then you have
people who are somehow making it through
over an hour. What's the feedback you
get from people as far as their stamina
and their ability to sit through such
lengthy conversations? Right. So my my
general rule when it comes to length of
content is that if it
is thrilling, if it's exciting, if it's
good content, people will watch. You
never had somebody, you know, um watch
their favorite movie and say, "Yeah, but
it was too long." They'll watch two more
hours of it if it's incredible. You
know, they they'll they love it because
it's amazing content.
Um, there are scenarios and topics that
probably are, you know, better done with
brevity, um, and just more to the point.
And I I find that the less the less
fluff and the less uh, warm up and
landing of of, you know, of podcasts or
speeches, the better. Again, you kind of
you'd rather dive right into the
conversation and get more or less more
or less, you know, dive right in. Make
sure you know big thing I always discuss
with my team is ROI. you know, what's
the return on our users's investment
when they're watching this clip? So, as
if it's a 60-second clip, their ROI
needs to be like at least more than 40
seconds. There can't be, you know, just
17 seconds of a 60-second clip that's
that really brings out the point. Mh. If
you take an hour video, what's the ROI
or and how much of it is just leading up
to a point, right? It's important to
lead up to a point. I don't think it's
impossible to have 60 minutes of heavy
heavy hitting stuff, but you need to
make sure the majority of what you're
putting out there is is exciting and
it's uh and it's something that the
viewer wants to see. I know YouTube,
they uh their metrics work in a way that
they they see how long people are
watching videos for. Mhm. If you're
watching a video for a long time, your
page will end up doing better because
now to count as a click on YouTube. I'm
not an expert at this at all. What do
you need to watch like 30 is it 30
seconds of a video for it to count as I
don't know the exact time, but you
definitely do need to be watching it for
for a specific amount of time. Um, it's
the same way on Instagram, same way on
my app. You have to be watching a video
for at least a few seconds for it to
register as as you actually viewed it.
Um, do you get any push back from people
that because you're on YouTube,
Instagram, and these various social
media platforms that you're kind of
pushing people towards technology and
when there's such an effort out there,
especially in the from world to protect
our Mah from unnecessary exposure to
these things? Do you hear that from
people? Um, not really. You know, I
think the people who are are for us and
want the to consume the content we put
out, they're holding in that in that in
that dark atmosphere. They're in that
atmosphere. Um, we do have again the
meaningful minute app is a kosher app.
It's not you don't have to be on
YouTube. You don't have self-contained.
You don't have to have to go anywhere.
You don't have to go on the internet.
It's self-contained. So, we do have that
option. Um, recently we we put our
meaningful people podcast and we're
beginning to put some of the other
meaningful minute podcasts on phone
hotlines as well so people can access.
Um, but by by and large for the most
part we don't have that that issue.
meaningful minute is is tackling the
social media world and offering a a
place on social media for the people who
are there which is hundreds of thousands
of Jews to be able to take in meaningful
content to be able to learn something.
Um they're there so why not let's reach
them. Any of the interviews that you did
were particularly meaningful? They're
all meaningful, but any of them stand
out to you or that you heard from
people. Wow, that was that was a game
changer. H, it's a good question and um
I I know you don't want to insult any
guest. I should have I should have an I
should have an answer by now for this
question. It's been asked quite a few
times. Um I think an interview that
sticks out to me as uh and it was I
would say maybe early on in in this
quest of meaningful people um was the
talk we did with Rabbi Schlommo and
Khani Bachner of Bonolam to be able to
to meet people to see they're incredible
people the strength that that they had
you know to not to not have children to
speak about that struggle but in that
moment of in that pain that they went
through to decide that they're going to
help other couples whichever way
possible. It's it's incredible. Over
9,000 babies have been born because of
Bonolam. Wow. 9,000 babies. And from
those babies, how many kids and
grandkids were millions, you know, like
that's that's a a crazy crazy idea. And
uh to be able to sit and speak with
people who did that, they took pain.
They took, you know, arguably one of the
worst cards that anyone could ever be
dealt and they turned it into lemonade.
The sweetest form of lemonade. They they
turned it into such light. I I
personally believe when Msiah
comes, you know, we'll be we'll be
walking in in, you know, behind the
Bachners. What they've done what they've
done is just unbelievable. So for me on
a personal level to sit down and and to
just I there there are a few interviews
that I I had out of body experiences
where I was just for forget about the
mic, forget about the cameras, forget
about everything that's going on, but to
just focus in on what's being said. And
that was one of them. Uh that was one of
them to really
just hear their story and and see the
impact they had. Another one was Zusha.
I I don't know, Gaza, Zach. They're just
real people. They're just real Yidden.
And I and I just really enjoyed um
sitting down with them. Obviously, I
don't want to insult anybody. Dr. Benji
Epstein discussing mindfulness. There's
so many great episodes. You know, when I
set out to do meaningful people, um the
idea was to sit down with these
personalities that we feature a lot of
meaningful pe on meaningful minute and
to just get, you know, behind the
scenes. It was I was by a couple of
meaningful minute events that I've made
in Brooklyn in the five towns and I
would see afterwards a line of 40 50
girls waiting to say two words to
Charlie or Ariari or Rav and just say
thank you or Huawei Jacobson and I just
it clicked like we need to make these
people more accessible. We need we need
people to understand their story and
that was sort of the inception and and
I'm just I'm I'm so happy that it grew
to where it's been now and I'm very
happy for what the future holds.
Hashem, you've done an amazing job.
You've taken a dream and you've brought
it to fruition. And it sounds from what
you said before that you're really only
getting warmed up. You're just getting
started. Yeah. You have you have more
ideas and you're using your creativity
to
spread positive messages to spread
messages about Hashem, about mitzvah,
about a hashem. So, I just want to wish
my humble brah keep doing what you're
doing. Keep inspiring people. You're
doing a wonderful job. and uh Cla show
will continue to benefit from your
creativity. Oh man, thank you so much. I
really appreciate it and I I'm very
humbled to be in this studio. This is
special. This is special and I uh I can
only hope to do 1% of the work that Art
School does and the work that you're
doing here. Um I I view you you guys
here you guys you sadikim here at Art
School as as role models and and I
appreciate that what you're doing for
client. Thank you so much.
Heat.
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