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Hello everyone and welcome back to
inside art scroll where the books you
read and the people who write them come
to life. Today we are joined by
Rabbakman Seltzer, author of a brand new
fascinating biography about Ravitzuk
Shiner, the Rashish Shiva of the Yeshiva
in Shalim. Thank you, Rib, for being
here. Well, thank you for talking to us
from your home in Ramat. Correct.
Correct. So, thank you for your time.
This brand new biography about Rabbi
Shiner is very unique. Uh, it's another
feather in your cap. beautifully written
inspiring about the life of an American
kid who grew up to become one of the
gelador which is you know kind of in the
world of rrooknas it's a rags to riches
story that's really incredibly
inspirational
uh and I'm sure that whoever reads it
young and old will be inspired by how a
kid went from going to public school and
I believe it was Peabody public school
Peabody high Peabody high peody high I
don't know is it still in existence? I
have no idea. Peody high. I have no
idea. I don't know. But I don't know if
Peody High knows what their you know,
one of their alum one one of their
alumni went on to become uh a Veltra
Shashiva. Uh so let's start there. Talk
about Rabbi Shiner's youth in Pittsburgh
and at what point did it happen that he
was turned on to Tyra where a kid going
to public school was able to become a
real bent tyra? So it's interesting
Shiner himself didn't talk about this
part of his life until his wife passed
away. Only after the rabbit the
granddaughter of the of Ra passed away
did he start talking about it because he
knew she didn't like it. She didn't
wanted to talk about it to him she to to
her he was the rashisha. But once the
rabbitim was no longer here he spoke a
lot of times to American audiences. He
would speak about his experiences and he
would tell the story of how he became
who we became. And he said, you
know, before a baby's born, there's a
basal that goes out and the basal says
that is going to marry the granddaughter
of Barbar. And how's that possible? He
he's in he's in Pittsburgh and she's in
Vilma and he's uh comes from a family
and did not at that point and she comes
from a barbar's family. How is that
possible? How is such a thing going to
happen? It's like almost
impossible and through a huge series of
events. What happened? Now you he was
his parents were
tremendously his father was mish for
shabas. He left Europe and he was mamesh
he worked in a job that he he he had a
bakery that he sold kalas so that he
shouldn't have to work on shabas and his
mother used to cry and he credits his he
credits what he became with the fact
that his mother used to cry buckets of
tears when she when she bent Friday
night ding to hashem that her that her
son should stay strong in America. But
what happened? He was close to the RV in
Pittsburgh. And who was the RV in
Pittsburgh? Maya Zilberg's grandfather.
He was the RV in Pittsburgh. And he used
to give to this kid. And later on when
he was already a he would send letters
to Maya Zilberg's grandfather of Zilberg
in Pittsburgh. But he still didn't learn
that much with him. And his parents
never dreamed of sending into yeshiva
because they didn't even know about
yeshivas in America. There are no
yeshivas in America. And then when one
day Rabbi Bender's grandfather he was a
fundraiser and he comes to Pittsburgh
fundraising usually he went to Squirrel
Hill. He didn't go to that neighborhood
but that that trip he happened to go to
that neighborhood. And where do you
stay? He stay by family keeps kosher.
Which family keeps kosher in that
neighborhood? The Shiner family. And he
comes to the to the house and he sees
Isidor Shiner. And he says he talks to
him a little bit. He realized this guy
is this kid is very smart. He was very
smart. He was going to be a professor of
mathematics, Latin. He was a master at
chess. He was very smart. And he really
he says to the parents, "Why don't you
send him to yeshiva?" And they're like,
"What? There's yeshiva. There's yeshiva
in America." He's like,
"Yes, yes." And he ends up going first
to
Wu from Wu. He got sick that winter and
needed to to recuperate. And he ends up
going to Camp Msa. In cat msa, he's he
has two friends. one who played baseball
with him and one who told him this the
Torah of
Mahan and they convinced him that he
will be able to stag tremendously in
Tory of Vadas and he ends up falling in
love with the Torah of Mah and he goes
to Vadas and he becomes a muer of Schlam
his rebi for the rest of his life I want
to I want to present the question a
little differently I'll tell you why
because people are going to read this
book are going to wonder as follows.
Here we are whether initial or America.
Kids are growing up with a a proverbial
silver spoon in their mouth. They have
everything they need. They have arts
girl swarim. They have every item of
rrook and gashmas that they would need
to grow into something substantial. You
have everything. And yet and yet not
every kid grows into something
substantial. And here you have a kid
coming out of Peabody high school who
grows up to be extraordinary. So the
obvious question is what's the secret?
What what what did you get out of
writing this biography? What secret
could you share with
parents to you know to that they could
instill or that they could apply in
their life so that maybe their kid can't
grow up to be a Ryuk Shiner but that
they could grow up to some kind of see
some kind of uh greatness on some level.
First of all, like I said to you before,
Rabi Shina credited the reason he became
who he became because his mother shed
buckets of tears when she benched lick
Friday
night. And every mother today could shed
buckets of tears for their child. It
doesn't matter that it's not 100 years
ago. If you want your child to be cry,
cry when you bet what you can't cry
today, you could cry today also just
like you cried 100 years ago. cry said
that's why he credited that that was the
reason that's number one and number two
what happened he came to and he met the
reb of and the reb he of and hisra
touched him and the rebu and hisra
touched him he
became not only
that what did he see
of
Shalis
was turned on his button and it never
turned off again and used to say we
don't need a Musadas because we have
mirrors. You understand? You want to
know what happened? He got to and he met
some of the
greatest leaders of the last 100 years.
They were all there and they all saw
this boy and they took him under their
wing and they adopted him and they gave
him what they had and it worked and he
he was thirsty and he was Mabel and he
for the rest of his life was the reb was
the
rebu and he was very smart but it wasn't
just the fact that he was very smart.
You know, I've heard I've heard quite a
few times that despite the fact that he
grew into the common shashiva many times
throughout his life, he didn't want to
paskin on certain things because he
would say my sat is not bashamus. It's
not it doesn't have enough of a totality
because I went to public school till age
16 or whatever it is. But that was his
tremendous humility that we saw from him
that despite all his godless and despite
his and his guess he always kind of put
himself down in that sense which is just
uh also inspirational. But moving on I
want to go to a specific inspirational
story in the book where he gives up his
bed to a bach and the baker ends up
going on to hold a pretty prominent
position and kind of it comes full
circle. tell our viewers about that. So
I'm in I'm in the yeshiva initiva the
building ones and I'm sitting there in
the rash's is his apartment in the in
that building and in walks the mash of
green and green so he's also from out of
town from St. Lewis and he told me his
story how he bec how he his struggle to
become and I asked him you know tell me
your connection how far back does it go
with yes and he said his connection goes
all the way back to his own father who
was the tremendous but he almost didn't
become a because when he got the toad he
was like 10 11 years old a young kid and
he got there somehow they forgot to
assign him a bed that night so this
10-year-old kid is in yeshiva. And he's
saying to himself, "I don't have a bed.
There's no way in the world I'm staying
here. No one cares about me. If this is
the way they run the yeshiva, tomorrow
I'm taking the train back to St.
Louis." What happens? Abaka passes him
in the hallway. And the Baka sees a
10-year-old kid crying and he says to
him, "What's wrong?" And he says, "I
don't have a bed." So the Baka says,
"No, no, you do have a bed. It's my job.
It was my job to make sure you have a
bed. I'm very sorry I let you down. Let
me take you to your bed now. And he
takes this boy, this kid to the bed. And
he puts him to bed. The next
morning, this boy wakes up and he goes
out to the hallway and he sees the
shiner sleeping in the hallway and he
realizes that he gave him his bed. There
was no question after that of going back
to St. Louis and his son became the
Mashki of Kinets today. Another amazing
anecdote in the book is the Switzerland
soup story. Tell us about that. This is
one of my favorite stories. Okay, I love
this story. I've said it over in
speeches even way before the book came
out. This is a story that captured me. I
was talking to this person named Oscar
Vasing. Oscar
Vasing. He was a Talmud of Raisk Sho
when he became Shiva in Montro in
Switzerland. What happened was his rabb
son-in-law he wasn't well and he went to
Switzerland to recuperate and then and
they sent message to the family that
that he needs to have his children with
him to take care of him. So Shiner came
with his wife and children and they
lived in Macho for four years and there
he became the rashisha of this yeshiva
in Switzerland. Now one of the tamid as
told me this story he said that he was a
hol he was a holocaust
survivor and in the yeshiva they the
they didn't have bay manim like per se
it was more that in the summer in the
morning rais would come in they say
today you have half a day off you have a
whole day off and one day comes comes in
he says today boys you have a day off so
ask her what do most boys do they go
swimming in the lakes the beautiful
lakes of Switzerland really in the flare
Everyone knows what went to Switzerland,
but Asuka is not so much into the
swimming. Asuka likes mountain climbing.
So I said to him, what you have like
like you're a professional, you're
amateur? What do you He says,
professional enough. I have the
equipment, I have the shoes, I have the
pick, I have the I I'm good at it. So
he's about to leave the yeshiva to go
mountain climbing and a buck comes over
to a friend says, "Could I go with you?"
That happens to be if going mountain
climbing is a very dangerous sport but
if you don't know how to go mountain
climbing it's
suicidal and for whatever reason ask
made a mistake and he said to this kid
you could come with me and they leave
the no one knows where they went and
they start doing this climb and it went
very slow especially this boy did not
know how to climb ask to help him and
they slipped and they fell and
eventually it's already late it's
already dark and they reach a
where they can't continue the climb.
They're stuck the mountain face. They
can't go further. He said, "If it was
just me, maybe somehow I would have
managed to jump 5T, climb up, but this
kid couldn't do it." So, we had to
retrace our steps. It's already 10:30 at
night, dark. We have to go down the
mountain all the way to the bottom,
slipping and sliding. The this the the
the branches are cutting our faces.
We're like a huge mess. By the time we
get down to the bottom, it's 12 o'clock
at night. And then it takes another half
an hour to get back into the village.
And we get to the village
exhausted, destroyed, and the lights are
on and the army's there. The police,
they're all looking for these boys. And
they realize they're looking for them.
They said, "You're looking for us. This
is who you, it's us. We're back." They
can shut the lights. And the army leaves
and a boy says to
Oscar. He says, "Oscar, I'm very I'm not
I'm I'm not mounting you. I'm not
mounting you. the rashiv wants to see
you. And as told me by that time of
night, he was so so tired. It didn't
even talk to him at all. The fact that
she wanted to see him didn't mean
anything. He was so exhausted. But the
other boy said, "I don't want to come.
I'm scared. You go by yourself." And
Asuka says, "All right, I'm going in."
He gets to the yeshiva. He gets to the
yeshiva. He sees standing there. Now
most people if you see the rash yes
after you put him through what he went
through that day thinking the boys fell
down the mountain you could see that he
he went through mashim his face was
white you know most of us have been in
camp we've been in yeshiva we've been in
situations in school the principal yells
at us the head celer yells at us we know
what to expect they're going to send you
home they're going to threaten you we
know we know how it
goes is so exhausted he doesn't
care he doesn't say a word to him he
takes him to office. He takes out a
first aid kit. He bandages his wounds.
He cleans off the blood. He puts on the
band-aid. And then he says to him, "I'm
taking you to my house." And they he
gets into a taxi. He takes it to his
house. On the table, there's a bowl of
soup hot. I don't know how he told the
rabbit, "The soup is waiting for me."
But listen to this. And this is why I
say this is a story from 500 years ago.
Because knows that this kid is so
exhausted, he can't even eat it himself.
He feeds him the soup spoonful after
spoonful until the bowl is
empty. To me, this is it's mish a story
from out of nowhere a thousand years
ago. This is in its purest sense. When
he finishes, he takes him back to
yeshiva in a taxi. He brings him to his
room. He helps him get into pajamas. He
puts him into his bed. He covers him
with a blanket. And he says to
him, "I beg of you, please don't do it
again.
Wow. Unbelievable. After that, Asuka
said that was it. If he would have
yelled at me, I don't know what I would
if he would have said can never do that.
I don't know what I would have said. He
didn't yell at me. He gave me soup. He
fed me soup. For the next 60 years, he
was my Rebi. Every time I came to
Shallay, I put on a hat and jacket to go
visit him. That was it. He was kind to
me forever. Wow. And he was kind of
hundreds if not thousands of talid with
that tremendous love. Unbelievable.
overflowing love and personal care. And
those who learned by Shina
remember his go
his he was he had such people who went
to him for they walked out transformed
they felt like different people but for
those who didn't learn by for those who
didn't meet him many of them on American
shores what they remember about him is
his iconic dasha by the sashas the 12th
cas of dafomia met life stadium who
would have known that one of the
highlights would be the drasha of Rabi
Shriner. But what we learn in this book
which is absolutely fascinating is that
the drasha that we heard here at Metife
Stadium from Rabi Shiner was not the
drussa that he prepared to deliver. Talk
about that and what exactly happened
between the preparation and the
delivery. It's an incredible story that
was where Shiner became a god that all
America wanted to to come to. They
wanted to call him the family after that
story had to change his number because
the phone wouldn't stop ringing and he
always answered the phone and eventually
had to change the number. It was it was
the amount of traffic after that was
what happened. He wrote a speech. He
they flew him in and he wrote he was
supposed to give the keynote speech at
the biggest stage in the world. that the
CMAS is the biggest stage in the Jewish
world. Shar is giving the keynote
speech. He spent a lot of time writing
the
speech. Reban Beerman was the one who
drove him to Metife and he told me he
said the Rashiva gave me the speech in
the car. He he said I should go over it.
He gave my wife the speech. Go over the
speech. Do you like the speech? Is it a
good speech? We gave our schma to the
speech. Great
speech. Okay. Now I'm sitting in the
audience. He tells me and Raisin isn't
they announcer. He gets up to speak. Now
again greatest stage in the world.
Keynote speaker. Everyone wants to hear
what you have to say. He first starts
off a speech quoting Rab Aaron Lee. For
five minutes he speaks he he reads a
letter from Aaron Lee. Okay. After that
he says he takes his speech out of his
pocket. He says I wrote a speech but
then he folds it up and he gives it back
to his
mash. I don't want it and and on if you
watch a video you can watch the video of
of the mash and you see his his
mishamish saying to him rashisha
rashisha take the speech and he says no
I don't want the
speech and nobody knows what's going on.
He says, "I have to tell you, I never
heard Rabbi Sak Fran speak in my life.
What a
speaker that Rabbi Fran, unbelievable."
And what does he do? He takes his
keynote address. They flew him in from
Erit Israel to speak and he talks about
Rabbi Fran's speech. He doesn't talk
about his speech. He puts his speech
away. He talks about Fran speech. And he
says, "Rabbi Fran, what a speech." And
Rab Fran said this, "We have to do this.
And let me give you two ideas how to
implement Rabbi Fran
speech. Everyone understood that this
person has no he has no eye. He has no
ego. He's completely ka Shay. After that
everyone in America wanted to come to
his house. They wanted to meet him. They
wanted to speak to him because they
understood this is a real
god. He doesn't care. It doesn't mean
anything to him. Covered means nothing.
Doesn't mean anything. He'll put his own
speech away. was talking about my
friend. Unbelievable.
I could tell you that at being one of
the 100,000 people who were in
attendance at that mash, we were
standing there in awe, just blown away.
We couldn't believe what we were seeing.
And the reaction at the time, I remember
people described what was Shan's dasha
like. It was like our zi was speaking to
us. We felt every single person felt we
had a loving father, a zeda, one of the
speaking to us like a zeda to children.
It was in an incredible experience and
you describe it so beautifully in this
book. And this book is full of inspiring
stories that parents, children,
grandparents, anyone of any age are
going to be inspired by what you did
here. And Rabman, I need one promise
from you that at a different stage in
time, we need to discuss exactly how you
do this. How do you put out book after
book and each one seems to be better
than the next. So we thank you for your
latest
contribution to the world of Tyra
literature, to the world of Tyra
inspiration, this biography about
Rabatuk Shiner. Any final comment before
we wrap up our conversation? Raisit
always used to say he would say I'm just
an American boy and I and he when he
when he when Raasi was
nif was in LA and they asked him to
speak to the yeshiva and he said the
only difference between me and Raasi was
that he was a Cubs fan and I was a
Pirates fan and he said that line. The
point was he would he would why did he
say that line? He said that line because
he knew that he would connect to
American boys who love sports and he
wanted them to understand that every
single person no matter if they spent
years on a certain thing they could
still become a borra and he he says look
at me I did it there was no way in the
world that aid should have happened
between granddaughter and a kid from
Peabody high but the basal
said and it had to
happened. But you know what? Every
American kid and this was something he
told them. He said it over many times.
Every single one can do it. That's the
idea I think to take from this book. I
mean, I believe this book is tremendous
in the sense that it's a a it's a
manual. You'll read the stories about
him in the com and in the yeshiva. It's
tremendous. Mishi was a gun. He was a
psychologist. He was a brilliant
therapist. He was all of the above. But
when he spoke to American boys, he
always would give them over the message.
It's okay if you were into it. It's
fine. And the moment you understand what
the in life is, you're going to be able
to become a
huge and a sadic and who knows the sky
is the limit. And that's the message
which he gave over and he changed so
many lives with this approach. the
acceptance, the love, countless lives.
You read the book of the shs he had with
so many American boys, Israeli boys,
European boys, the lives he changed in
the most unassuming way just because he
cared so much about every Talmet and he
viewed himself as that was his life. He
was there to educate and he did his his
hisem from beginning to end. But that
was the message he always gave. You can
also do what I did. You could do what
Amnasi did. You could become a gul just
like I did. I was a boy from Peabody
High. You could also.
Thank you so much. Thank you.
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