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Hello everyone and welcome back to
Inside Art Scroll where the books you
read and the people who write them come
to life. Today we are joined by Rabbi
Yil Spiro, prolific author of many
best-selling books including his latest
on the capitol of Yosh Viser. First of
all, thank you for joining us for this
conversation. Long overdue and uh I'm
happy I'm able to finally be It's great
to have you here. I think since we
started this program, you've put out at
least two three books. You seem to be
pumping out those books every few months
and we'll get into how you do that. I
don't know if you'll share all the
secrets. Just enough just enough to keep
us uh let the appetite. That's exactly
but let's let's get to Yosha Baser. What
possessed you to write a book or really
a safer on a solitary capitol?
Okay, so I got a call in January, maybe
late December, January from Arv in
Baltimore, who is a gamecher, completely
transformed the Ranchley area, if you
know Baltimore a little bit. And he's
infused the entire community with
excitement for Liatra and he reached out
to me and he says to me that there's a
Yid, a wonderful Jew, uh, who wants to
do something for co His name is Dr.
Misha Eisen. He's the one that dedicated
the book. I and he's an exceptionally
fine person. And he calls me up and he
says, "Raby Spiro, I believe that the
world needs to know that the cure to
COVID is not the vaccine. The cure to
COVID needs to be
the he asked me, he said, Yosha is a
capitol." And I, you know, if you do,
you read the book a little bit and you
do a little research, you'll discover
that Yosha Baser's tack of the prayer of
protection. And I thought to myself,
this speaks to me very much because
people are scared. Everybody's scared.
And when we get past CO, fully past CO,
the will send something else. We're
always scared. We're scared to live our
day-to-day lives. And imagine if you
could have a prayer of protection to
carry around with you. And the more I
went into it, the more I researched it,
more I learned about it, you know,
there's a certain desay that when you
write about something, Hashem sends you
tidbits and nuggets of inspiration. I
just took off from there. It's
fascinating to read in your safer that
and many people may not know this is and
you could tell us about it how it's aila
that was said as early as Mosherenu.
Talk about that for a moment. Raenu said
it when he was by the Mishkan. It was
said it was said throughout the last uh
two and a half thousand years. Theim
said it in battle. And if you think
about it, think about all the times we
say. We say every shabas. We
say we say when we go to sleep at night
we the said a lot of people have the
meaning to
say by every we escort the mace
wither protects it has protected I think
it was and both encouraged strongly the
recitation of biser during a maga when
there was uh whatever mafa was back then
kalera and other things and um as recent
as 1948 said that the ofer should be
sharp it should be fluent on the lips of
every yid because kalis is under siege
you have a feeler to protect you it's
amazing it's amazing
and when I have the opportunity to write
about something like this and it and
I've implemented a little bit into my
It's a game changer. It's pen. It's pen
and it's a gamecher. And I money back
guarantee. Not in the book. Well, maybe
on the book also, but money back
guarantee that if you start to learn
about baken and allow it to work its
magic on your
life, you'll be a different person.
You'll enjoy life so much more. So you
kind of answered what I was going to ask
you and that is what's the difference
between writing a book like this one and
some of your many other books which are
comprised of inspiring stories. What is
the approach that you take to write
something like this? And also if I may
ask you where do you start as far as
sarum are concerned? Do you just open up
a safety and hope that ideas will start
filling your head? Okay. So first of all
full confession. And I'm a swarm holic
and um at home I have I don't know 15
swarm shranks of swarm um and they're
busting double and triple deep and shout
out to beagleizen swarm store where my
friends there supply me with all the
necessary sarim. So first of all you got
to invest in this in whatever you're
writing. I'm writing on yosha whatever
there is about gobble it up you know and
hopefully mitem you're able to find the
necessary and proper and inspiration um
but I want to get back to something else
he said he said where do you start with
with writing a book or you know Kamanki
once gave me a nice compliment and he
said um you know your stories are a
little different he said your stories
don't have so much story but the point
is very big. A lot of times you have a
big story, long long story with chariots
and horses and and magical carpet rides
or whatever else happens. But you get to
the point of the story, what do you take
out of it? A lot of times it's hard to
find the takeaway. So I look for the
takeaway. I look for the takeaway. And
and it doesn't have to be a big story,
but if it's a small story with a
powerful message, that's what people
walk away with. So when people share
stories with you or you read them in
Swarim and you decide to adapt them for
your book, you're saying that's the
ingredient you're looking for, a story
with the takeaway more than an
extravagant plot with all types of
excitement. Okay. So, so you're asking
me a little bit what's the secret? Yeah.
So, first of all, I I want to I want to
mention that when I I when I first uh
started writing for art school, I think
it's 18 19 years ago. And art school by
the way changed my life and I'm
incredibly grateful to everybody and to
Raitz to Rab Sherman and now to Gdali
and to everybody um it's amazing and
Mendy and I I I it's an incredible team
and I know I missed many people um but
they know how grateful I am and I walked
into the office and Rabbi Ladawitz is
sitting there and he says
Yoil you know what makes your book
special and I'm getting all ready to
like melt on a beautiful compliment and
he says there's really nothing different
between your stories and everybody
else's but hashem blessed you with maz
and even a needs mazul who decides if
this should be read or that's it's mas
hashem decided it so I don't attribute
any of the success to myself it's all
mazatay and hashem blessed me with
incredible and I'm I'm overwhelmed with
But if you're looking for one nuda that
I look for in a story that I tell people
all the time, the key to a good story is
you need to be able to give the listener
or the reader an underdog to identify
with. They everybody wants to cheer for
the underdog. And whatever it is that
the underdog is suffering from, is
challenged with, if you can connect the
reader to the underdog, you got a great
story. People get behind him and they're
like excited and they're cheering for
him. They're cheering for him. And while
they're reading they're they're like
hopefully reading that there's you know
it's so anyone facing an assignion or a
challenge in essence becomes that
underdog and whatever the challenge is
everybody's challenge is big to them you
know when COVID broke out so there were
people that were saying some pretty
strong comparisons that this is our
generation's
holocaust and and many people dispelled
that and said It's ridiculous. I mean,
people in the Holocaust didn't have
food. They were being hunted down. And
we have plenty of food and we sleep in
our own beds. And I think one nuda that
people need to remember is we're weak
and we're fragile and we're
vulnerable. And for us, this is very
big. And that challenge is tremendous
for us. There's many many many people
and especially kids who struggle through
this and and are searching to find
themselves and to find the answers
struggling with amuna and hopefully you
find a good uh source of inspiration. I
I I think that if a kid would read a
little bit of yosha bay so feel a little
closer to Hashem connect a little more
with him it's a it's a game changer.
Speaking about finding yourself I know
you you grew up in Cleveland. Who were
the formative figures in your life
during your formative years who impacted
you and influenced you as you found what
your calling in life was going to be?
Okay, loaded question.
Um, so many influences in my life that
I'm so grateful for. Um, grew up in a
just the the greatest upbringing anybody
could have hoped for. My parents should
be zontin. They were incredible and they
sent me to the academy and the academy
was wonderful under Rabbi Desc his
leadership a great
rebellion. My father once told me
something he says not you're not going
to love every rebi the same amount but
every rebi has something to offer you
and over the years every rebi I had
offered me something unique and special.
Um, I remember when I was in seventh
grade, Rabbi Label Shang Bang used to
invite us to his home. Cold Friday
night, Cleveland, Cleveland
Heights. It's snowing. It's quiet. We'd
go I'd walk about 7/10 of a mile from my
house to his house. Hot Shant from
Ribble and
Rabbitson. And he would dazzle us with
stories, just a few of us, of the viter
of
spoke to me very much. I was in eighth
grade. I was in Teloshiva. Then
Ribbitzuk Schwarz who was still my Rebi.
Um the greatest storyteller and rebi I I
I I just wanted to be him in the
classroom. Um and his stories I remember
when Shadron came to Cleveland tells he
would come. It was an event. He stayed
by Monk's house and he and and and he
would come for sometimes. I remember I
once d came late to Shakas and I
diamonded in the back of the m right
next
to he would he he would come like we had
giants visiting us and um he was ding
because it was he was ding n and it was
a late uh but I remember my rebi
followed
around from the moment he got there till
the moment he left and he had a little
pad you know those old memo pads that
that flipped over. Sure. And he wrote I
think he said a hundred stories he
jotted down just from that visit just
from that those few days he followed him
wherever he went. You know he spoke to
Balabatam he spoke to he spoke to and um
so that was very very made a big rush on
me and I used to write down what my revi
said. I had my notebooks and I I still,
you know, even until I got my phone and
my my computers, but I used to I used to
jot those down. And then my rebi
muikanchelman was uh he you know I
remember it was one tough uh one tough
night for high school yeshiva and
um I just wanted to talk to somebody and
and Ranchel is just the easiest person
in the world to talk to and he just had
he just understood me. He got me and I
remember walking back um late after my
he kept me for like an hour and a half
and we smoozed about
everything. And I remember walking back
I felt so good and I I remember right
there I said I want to be able to do
that for somebody
else. I I I want to I want to be able to
make somebody else feel good like that.
Like that was like that. And um from
then on I wanted to be a Rebi. I wanted
to be a rebby. That was the clincher.
Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to be a rebby. I
always wanted to be a rebby. Did you
know what what age boys you would want
to teach? Did you know what capacity you
wanted to? I you know my first job was
in Torah school of greater Washington.
Rabbi Charer who have tremendous hakar
to taught me so much about teaching. I
was teaching fifth and sixth grade boys
and fourth grade girls. I was learning
in Lakewood. It was my fifth year in
Kyle. And I said to my wife one day, "We
don't have any money. I need a job." And
I went and I thought I was all that in a
bag of chips. Everybody's going to grab
me. Are you kidding? And I and I um and
I started searching around and u
placement and laser Goldstein, they
helped me. And and I was getting offered
these jobs like in the boondocks out of
nowhere and and finally I got I got
this, you know, possible, you know, job
opportunity. And he told me it's going
to be fifth and sixth grade boys and
fourth grade girls. And I said, "I'm not
teaching fourth grade girls." I hung up
with the phone and I said to my wife, "I
need a job." And I called him back. I
said, "I'd like to take a brother." And
I did. And and I I enjoyed it immensely.
And I still have a connection with a lot
of those students, both the boys and the
girls. The girls married with like five,
six kids or you know um and then I
decided then I I went to TA where I've
been for 23 years in Baltimore. In
Baltimore, Tamur Academy in Baltimore
and it's been my home. I live right
across the street from yeshiva.
Magnificent, sprawling, $25 million
camp. It's gorgeous, gorgeous. And it's
1100 kids in the school. And I wanted to
be a rebby of an
age where I could make an impact and
maintain a shas forever with the kids.
Every Reb is great and every Reby's, you
know, has their calling. I didn't think
that I could do that in elementary
school. um even though that's the purest
age. And um eighth grade is an age when
you can help direct them. They're young
teenagers. They're growing up. They're
maturing or hopefully. And I helped try
to guide them to yeshiva and and hashem
I've you know I've been eth grade for 23
years. So for 23 years about five years
or so four years after you started
teaching you put out your first book.
Now at that point what prompted you to
invest as much effort and time that as
goes into putting out a book and you
know as well as anyone having written
dozens of books both biographies story
books you've written on the the gamut of
Tyra
literature what possessed you at that
point to do it okay so
what I'm I'm in camp I'm I've been a
camp guy you've written about camp um
And by the way, let me just say that
Yity has such a big role in my life.
He's worked for the Yed and he's patient
with me. I'm always late and he's always
doing the kindest things for me. Um,
we've been friends for a long time. I'm
very grateful to him and of course under
the leadership of Penny Lipchitz, also a
close friend. Um, so I was in camp. I
grew up in camp. I was in Camp Colar in
Cleveland as a kid. I was in camp go to
Toronto as a little kid. uh 7 8 and n or
9 10 11 people sent their kids away then
you know and then I went to culture in
Cleveland which was on the Telosa campus
sure I was there one year and um and
then I went to day camp and then I came
back to cola I was there for three years
I'm there today in cult we should
mention that right sure so um so I
remember in my early years in as a head
staff member in camp I started to
realize that the most powerful thing you
can have in your arsenal is a
story. Like what do you do? Um I
remember one one time I I ended up going
to Ray and I was in a Midwest and then
Ryan um and then I was in Manavu for 20
years and I remember one night in you
know it's there was a a Catskill
rainstorm thunderstorm blackout. It's
pitch black in the dining room. It's
getting dark now.
What? And Rabbi Aaron Bash who was the
head
counselor said, "Haley, you got a
story." I said, "Yeah, I got a story."
And with great
siata, I started to tell a story. And I
was doing it loud with a gunite. And the
kids were quiet.
And afterwards, every gave me a nice
compliment. And um and my wife of course
who I owe everything to but she doesn't
like when I talk about
her. She said to me afterwards, "You got
to write a
book. Write a book." And I said, "I
don't know how to
type. I don't you know." And she says,
"You record the stories in a little tape
recorder and I will transcribe
everything that you write."
and I did 10 stories and she transcribed
it down to the ums and well, you know,
unedited completely. I thought it was
great, but was and I sent it to um and I
and and I I thought it was good. I I I
thought the stories were good. I only
had
10. And I sent it to a couple publishers
and and
and they didn't take
it. And I sent it to Rabbi
Sherman. First Charlotte Freedelland was
the working at Arts School at the time.
And she I guess showed it to Rabbi
Sherman. And then Rab Sherman called me
one day and he
said, "Uh,
Yil, you have a second." And I said,
"Yeah." He says, "Are you ready for your
life to
change? We're going to take the book."
And I said, "The
book? I didn't write a book." He goes,
"We believe in you. you will write a
book. And I started to collect
stories. And after the first book came
out, first of all, they put on the first
um on the first book they wrote um
inspiring stories by a master teacher.
Something like that. Storyteller.
Storyteller. Master storyteller.
And And it was called Touch Story. You
should mention Did it say master
storyteller? It might have said master
teacher. Really? Master. It could be
could be right. I don't know. I have to
go check. Um, we're an art school. We
should be able to to find a book. Yeah.
Um, and and I I called up Aram Beerman
who's the greatest editor and has also
helped me get through the thick and thin
here.
And I said, "I'm not who said I'm a
master." He said, "Well, if you weren't
till now, you are
now." And okay. And part of what art
school did was they helped me believe in
myself. I wasn't lacking confidence. But
so there's a huge difference between
speaking and writing. Speaking you get
to feed off of the audience. You get to
be spontaneous. Writing is is also an
art form. I mean speaking is also as you
as you know as well as anyone having
addressed audiences all over the world
but writing a book is a whole different
avoid right. How did you approach that?
Once Reper Sherman gave you the green
light and you're collecting stories, now
you have to kind of form the stories
into something suitable. Okay, so this
what what I'm about to tell you is not
going to people that are teaching
English are not going to be thrilled
with this. Um, but I presented this to
English teachers, a group of English
teachers. Um, and and afterwards like
they thanked me. I grew up
and grammar was a big deal and a lot of
kids don't like grammar.
don't like the punctuation. I like I
think the biggest challenge is to take
what's in your
heart and express it
onto onto anything piece of paper. There
are great editors out there. Now, I was
blessed. Mrs. Susan Leapag was my first
editor. She was incredible. She did the
first book, by the way, that I did. She
did it for free. Really? Yeah. I didn't
I didn't have the money to pay her at
upfront. I told her, "When I get my
first check, I'll pay you for the
editing." And she said, "I'm giving it
to you as a gift." It was like
unbelievable. Anyone who knows what's
involved in editing Yeah. knows that
that was quite a gift. And and then I I
I used Mrs. Lee Tag for a number of
books. And then I also added on Mrs.
Tovas. And Mrs.
Tovasal, anything that I've produced is
because of her. She knows everything.
She's gracious.
She tries to stick to my flavor, but
she's the one that puts everything into
order. She's the one that gives it
structure. And and I'll tell you the
truth that I think when I started
speaking and writing both of
them, I think you start I started to
collect stories and because of that I
started to collect
inspiration, you know, and you look for
inspiration. You know, people that
collect baseball cards, they they they
have a nose for it. Collect stamps,
bottle caps, whatever it is that you
collect. I started to collect stories
and I started to collect inspiration.
And the whole thing again, I I I I
really felt like Hashem was helping me
every step of the way. It's from finding
the right sarim to finding the right
people. The many people that have
trusted me with their books and with
their you know and then people that have
complimented me and I can't say that
enough. You know people think I was once
in a store in Shopsy Judeica great farm
store like it's in Baltimore and it's a
real it's a good hush of a New York
store in Baltimore. We have that by the
way for anybody who ranks on Baltimore.
I just want to tell you Baltimore is
fantastic. We got a thriving tired
community with all the
amenities and somebody comes over to me
and with a little girl and she says,
"Rabbi Spiro, do you have a second?" And
he says, and he says to Zon, "Oh, please
don't bother him. Don't mind." She goes,
"I love your
books." He says, "I'm so sorry." I said,
"Sorry." What a genuine compliment to
get from the seven-year-old girl.
That also helps feed. It helps feed. And
you know and then the speaking comes
together with the writing and
again how does a busy rebi a busy makan
who gives 110% in the classroom and
preparing and we know what or we think
we know what's involved in being a rebi
in 5781. How do you find the time to fit
in the writing and the writing of the
books and the research and the editing
and the agonizing? There's a lot of time
and effort that goes into it. How do you
balance the two and the speaking I
should imagine as well which involves
traveling and all that. Okay. So, first
of all, my day and night job is being a
Rebi. Just yesterday, I was talking to
somebody and he says, "So, you're a Rebi
part time?" I go, "No, no, no. I'm a
Rebi full-time. I pride myself on being
there every day. I cannot never ever
miss. I try not to. Should continue to
help me to do so."
Um, that's my day and night job that
anchors me. My talid give me life. They
I love them. They they let me know when
I'm doing well and when I'm not doing
well. I can tell from the way they're
behaving or not. Um, and I get a lot of
from my fellow Raim and school's great.
Yeshiva is great. That's where I that's
my anchor. And after
that, Hashem gives you the time. So,
where do I find the time to do it? I'm
not really super organized. I'm not, you
know, I'm more
uh I don't know if I should share this.
Like people have said I'm ADHD. I'm
jumpy. I jump from one thing to another.
I don't even have an office at home. I
sit on my couch. No. Yeah. Um and also
try to use spare moments. I'm early for
carpool. you have 15
minutes. Pull out my phone, I start
writing. Yeah. Um standing in line at
supermarket and and the truth is that
when you're able when you have a great
editor, somebody who's able to help me
along and so I just send stuff, you
know, it's not like I sit down, okay,
I'm going to sit down with, you know, it
doesn't work that way. And and also,
you're always operating because you're
always looking for the inspiration. You
could always pick up material wherever
you are, right? You're you're that type
of person. You're always looking for
that magic. You know, yesterday I was
walking out of my house coming to
Yeshiva and I look I looked back and I
thought like I had dandelions and weeds
on my in my front lawn. I looked and
they were gone. And then when I came
back few hours later, they were there.
Inspiration struck me. That means in the
morning there are no weeds. Of course,
it's a metaphor, but you can find
inspiration anywhere. The weeds come
later in the day, right? Start off every
morning, you're fresh. So there's
inspiration to be had. Now the you've
written, as I mentioned before, you've
written short story books, which is a
books comprised of dozens and dozens of
stories, but you also undertook the the
daunting task quite a few times already
of writing biographies, which I and and
correct me if I'm wrong. I think in the
Rav gifta biography that you wrote, you
write in your introduction how when
people would call your house during the
time that you were writing the book
maybe inest either you or your family
would answer gift or residence because
you were so all enveloped in writing the
book about this particular great person.
What's the difference? And and how did
you first have the guts to take on
writing a biography which is a
tremendous undertaking? Um the first the
first biography I wrote was Rivgifter.
Rabbi Mayor's Ladawitz and Rabbi Nasen
Sherman both encouraged me to do so.
They felt they owed a debt of a sativ to
Rivgifter. That art scroll success was
because Rivgifter stood up way back when
and and said Art Scroll needs needs to
be and um and they backed
me and I don't know if it was great in
the beginning. You know, you learn and
then you have to be inspired by the
person you're working on. It can't just
be a book, you know, without sounding
cheesy. It's a mission. You you you need
to admire and fall in love with the
subject. And I I I'd like to think that
everybody I've written on I' I've I've
become a talent of theirs, whether it's
uh Rolleski I just wrote about um Gifter
of Shinberg um or I wrote about by
Sternhill, you wrote a biography by
Sternhill um and I wrote
about Goldberg, the great Balttoka or
Gabit Stoker. Now I'm working on a book
on on Burkowitz who was a manal pose. He
was a close friend of mine. I loved him.
Um everybody who ever met him loved him.
I love the family and I'm in love with
working on the book. I'm in love with it
and and I'm so inspired by him. He was a
man. Could you tell us maybe a story?
Something anything comes I'll tell you
one little tidbit. Just one little
thing. And again I'm work every day. I'm
I'm writing things and sending it to my
editor.
Um, one little thing because I think
what's beautiful about Ribshmu, they
call him Ribilu, I mean later on he was
Ribshm and Rab Burkowitz, but he he he
lived in Cleveland and then later on in
Poseic and when he lived in Cleveland,
he diamonded in a sh called Kalurim.
Later he would become a raven pose and
named his schul kim because of Cleveland
and one person told me he was a young
cen and he went to go do dan for the
first time and when he came
back he went to get his shoes on and he
put on a sho couldn't couldn't put his
shoe on something's in there and he took
it off and he looked inside there was a
little
candy and every time he dened
Rubilu would put a candy in his
shoe, which is which is what his whole
life was. Adults also need candies,
right? Everybody needs candies.
Everybody needs sweets and treats,
encouragement. And he that's what he
did. He made life sweet for other
people. That's right. In fact, I I don't
know if this will be the title, but like
somebody told me, he held us in his
heart. He held everybody he ever met in
his heart. So, how can you not fall in
love with that? Well, we look forward to
reading it as soon as it's done. Going
back to short stories for a moment
because this is kind of something that I
I deal with as someone who collects
stories, writes stories. I love the
short story cuz it gets to the point and
and you kind of also fi try to find
those anecdotes that are going to
resonate and whether it's an underdog as
you mentioned which always resonates or
it's something that comes out of left
field where you know kind of the
unexpected. Have you found at all
writing stories for 20 years that some
stories are starting to sound the same
where it's kind of the same plot just
with different people and how do you
keep it fresh? Well, if it does sound
the same, then it's not a good story. If
you can predict the ending of the story
in the first two paragraphs, move on.
It's not a good story. It, like you
said, it needs to be unexpected. You
need to get the curveball and you go,
"Oh, wow. I didn't see that coming."
Right. Um, so that's part of it. I think
one of the things that continues to
inspire me is the the greatness of
Kaliso, the greatness of the Jewish
people. And and again, I don't want to
sound preachy. I hate preaching, but the
the ability for even the most
downtrodden Jews, the most distant Jews
to rise up to the occasion to be great,
and that doesn't get tired. It hasn't
been tired for 2,000 years. And there's
I I remember there was a couple years
ago um so went to
war and there was somebody was killed
and and I told
somebody, I want to watch part of that
Levia.
You will see
amuna like we've never seen before. I
remember a father got up. He did not
look like me and you. No beard, no black
yamaka sandal, short sleeve. And he got
up and he
sang sang it at his child's
levia. That doesn't get old. That
doesn't get old. No, I don't think
stories get old. I sure hope don't go
doesn't get old because then I'm out of
business. But I'm saying I don't think
it gets
old. I And and again, I have a great
lab, by the way. I have a lab. My
classroom is my lab. If my if I tell a
story and my class
says, and by the way, they do say, "So,
do you try stories out on them, so to
speak?" Well, whenever I come in, I
start the day with a story or something.
Yeah. I never come in, open your
guitars. That's not me. Works for Summer
Babe. Doesn't work for me. I walk in, I
have a story, whatever's whatever's
happening, just a story. Start them off.
And sometimes they'll go I'll go, "You
didn't like the story. What do you mean
you like the story?" And they go, "We
like the story." I also the best lab is
my kids because at a shabas table or
whenever it is, I'll tell a story. And
if they like it, they'll go, "Daddy,
that's a good story." And if it's a good
if they say it's a good story, then you
know it's now even when they say, "No,
terrible story." If I really believe in
the story, I'll push it through anyway.
Right. Mhm. It's a good audience. One of
my favorite things that you do every
year and I look forward to it is your
annual
jashes either like tishb day usually yum
time you have a kayak when the moment is
most poignant to make it even more
poignant and bring out the emotion of
the moment. How much time do you spend
preparing those particular drasas which
seem to be shave? people appreciate
them. I'm sure you hear from others. I'm
sure I'm not the only admirer. But uh
how much time goes into preparing such a
speech which it can't be generic. It has
to be original. But you're also tapping
into age-old messages and emotions that
somehow have to be made fresh for
today's generation. Okay. So, first I
want to say something and I'm really 40
minutes too late for saying this. I
don't like to do interviews even though
I'm out there and people see my face. I
don't like talking. Um, and don't worry,
I I love cover as much as the next guy.
I don't like saying that I do this and
it work. I really I I'm not comfortable.
Well, then we appreciate even more that
you came. And that's why, by the way, I
pushed off all these interviews until
now. Thank you. But but I uh from the
moment I know I'm speaking wherever it
is,
there's a there's a mental notebook and
I have a file on my phone and I have
files at home. any if I'm speaking six
weeks from now on a subject and I know
what I'm I asked them what am I speaking
about I start writing down no I know I'm
speaking about tish
the year before there are certain
moments during the year that are
tishov today I had a tishab
moment there's moments that are tishov
and and um I try to write that down as
it
happens part I think of of why people
are inspired I hope is
because some of it's not
prepared. Those moments that you're
talking about are not prepared. You
can't prepare those
moments. I I I you know sometimes I
don't even like to look at the audience
at those moments. You like to close your
eyes. I remember uh when I lived in
Silver Spring, I had this of hearing
from Rabar Lupansky. I dabbed in Kipper
with him and it was a small little
trailer we were dabbing in. I don't
think there were more than 30 people in
the trailer. 30 40 people max. And he
spoke right before Nila. From the moment
he began speaking till the moment he
finished, his eyes were closed.
Talis eyes closed. He was really
speaking just for people to hear.
And I think you can, you know, you can
feel differently when you do that. But
uh
again, it really is. It's not uh much of
saying it. So you're always looking and
you're always jotting down, making
mental notes. I think so. Yeah. Now,
going back to for a moment, you spend
your day in the classroom, you've
clearly seen differences in the way has
evolved. Um I know that your messages,
whether it's in the round table, which
you're a panel of, or when I've heard
you speak on, you have a message that
resonates. I don't know if it's alder
Rabbi Tran, but there's definitely a
flavor of Rabbi Tran and what you do and
and there's a reason why why
youngsters you they find you endearing,
but speak about for a moment and how
it's changed and it I'm assuming it has
over the last 23 years since you entered
the classroom and what approach should
people be taking today that maybe is
different than what they did years
before?
Okay, loaded question. Um, how has
changed? I think I think part of what's
been consistent
about is that it always changes. I don't
know if is different um from a hundred
years ago in that the Rebi had to relate
to the times, whatever the times were.
Then um you mentioned Rabbi Tran and
when I think of Rabbi Trank, I think of
Rabbi and Mrs. Trank. Sure.
I call her for advice all the time and
she is uh she's also very special. No
question. Um you need a sprinkle of of
let's call it tran magic. Um and that
works but kids also need structure. Kids
need structure. And I think that's one
of the secrets. You can't let kids just
do whatever they want.
But to to think about what's if I had to
think of one core idea in
um without again just sounding cheesy
because it's that you have to relate to
the child in some other area than the
subject matter you're learning.
find a common
ground whether it's music or a hobby of
his or an interest he
has whatever he's interested in
something like sports as well sports
sure sports I follow sports also not
only because of it but you know and um I
don't know if anybody's going to be
pleased with that but that that's a
point where I I have one kid in my class
who is a he's in lives in Baltimore he's
a Giants fan he's a Yankees man. So, the
other day the Yankees I don't know if I
should say on camera, but the other day
the Yankees were beating up in the
Cleveland Indians, my Cleveland Indians,
and he's a quietish kid and he and he
walks right up to my desk, closer than
he's ever been. And and I
said, "Are you trashtalking me about the
New York Yankees?" He didn't say yes. He
goes, "So, that's our starting point."
And then, first of all, aren't they Orio
fans in Baltimore? What? They are. He's
a he's a yum and a claw. But yeah, if
you followed the Orioles, you'd have a
hard time after a while also. But um but
find something where you connect to the
child in some other area than the
subject matter you're learning. Connect
with them on that and relate to them and
that that's always your safe area
because even if he didn't have a good
day in school or a good week in school,
you always have that. So I think that's
uh you know I think that's something
that's very important today because kids
got so much going on and so many
challenges and struggles. Find something
that he likes and like it
and I assume that camp also gives you an
opportunity. You're you're a big camp
man where it gives you an opportunity to
connect to kids out of the millu of the
classroom. Classroom don't work for
every kid but camp works for most kids.
it it it it just brings out so much of
their personality that maybe they don't
get doesn't get to be manifest during
the year. So, one of the things I told
uh you know, one of the great places um
that nobody sees is the Rabbium's room
in a yeshiva and if you have a good
rebain's room so bounce ideas off of
each other, a lot of great ideas come
from there and hopefully man will allow
those ideas to come to fruition. But one
of the things that we've been discussing
lately is how do we get good kids who
aren't good students to become good
Jews.
It's great that not everybody is going
to be
a not everybody loves learning. Not
everybody loves
Yiddish, but they'll grow into it.
They're going to feel good about
themselves. So many I mean we know this.
So many of today's big supporters of
yeshiva were people who in yeshiva
didn't do so well. So how can we get
them to feel good about the yiddish
kite, feel good about
themselves even if they're not doing
mullen or kish or whatever it is. Um and
what answer did you come up with? What
is the answer? Something the answer is
connect to them. That's the answer. The
answer is connect to them where you
always maintain a shas. First day of
school, I walk up to the white board and
I write my cell phone number on the
board and my email address. I say if you
ever need me ever for whatever it
is, call me, text me, email me. And do
do the boys call? Oh, not really. I once
had a boy. I was his one phone call.
No, I'm not even I was his one phone
call. He got into trouble. It was 15
years later. He said, "You said I could
call you anytime." I once had a kid call
me. Um he was in a fight with his
parents and he called me from a closet.
I And and I by the way, I'm not
unusual. Tons of are doing this. Tons of
relate. And tons of people have meet
them like this. And I teach a great
class. The kids get older. life gets
complicated and they need to know that
there's somebody there and if they if
they know you're there for them they'll
never let go because you're not
criticizing them. You're not finding
their faults. You don't know all theness
or maybe they told you their but you're
not pointing it out to them constantly.
So they need that. What's something that
if you were able to get up on a soap box
and address Israel that you would be
able to share with the masses about what
a rebi is, what a mechanic is. If
there's one message that you wish people
would know, cuz we don't really know,
people don't work in the trenches. We
don't really know. We think we know. We
imagine what the struggle is, how hard
it is to be a rebi. What would you
say? I hope this is broadcast to the
whole world. I really do. I've said this
by some rebim gatherings. If I've had an
opportunity to speak to groups of rebim
to be mazik large groups of rebim I hope
every board member in the world every
manal in the world hears what I'm about
to say because it's it's it's a very
important
question need
guilt they need help
financially they're sacrificing their
lives these are talented people if they
worked in a law firm they'd be making $3
$400,000 a year if they worked as
accountants they'd be well taken care If
they were, they're bright. They could be
aggressive businessmen. They could be
super successful. What do they decide to
do? They're going to sacrifice their
entire lives and the lives of their
families for your child. And it's been
literally, you know, it's been beaten to
death. Mhm. And a few years ago, Raeri
got up courageously. But I'll go to
convention. Convention and he
demanded, we got to do something. 40 out
of 804 schools acted on it. That means a
lot of schools didn't act on it. You owe
it to
the find the money. Don't make them beg.
Don't make them become bal because if
they are they can't teach your children.
So if there's one thing that people need
to know about is it's a struggle and we
need and we need to be each
other and don't think that everything's
okay always. It's not. We put on a good
face sometimes and we walk into the
classroom and we give it our all but it
would be so much easier. And if you
mamish cannot help, you can always write
a note and tell that rebi what
difference they've made in your child's
life. Tell that basakov teacher and
bacles are struggling. They need
teachers. They need teachers. We want
the you know the girls to be able to
help support their husbands. They can't
do it on We need teachers. We need
rebanim. If there's one thing I have to
say need your need your guilt. And I
don't mean to demean. I know everybody's
trying their best, but let's stop
pushing it aside. Well, on that note,
thank you for being candid about that.
Thank you. Was that too? No, not at all.
You said what had to be said, and I'm
sure many Raim Manalum will concur with
what you said, and we can't say it
enough. The Rabim, we we owe them a debt
of gratitude that can never be paid. And
you're maybe, you know, maybe loyal
Mahaba. So, we thank you on behalf of
what you do for Rabon. We thank you for
the positive messages that you share in
your beautiful books. You should be to
write many other
many in peace and prosperity in
everything you do. Can I can I end off
with also you should be in and
everything you do because you and you
have such a role in you've enhanced my
life personally but so many people's
lives. I want to wish a special to
Gdalya because Gdalia took over for his
father and and really you know he was he
was a son in his father's shoes. His
father was larger than life and Gdalia
has just taken art scroll to to levels
that I don't think anybody thought
possible. He'll tell you I thought it. I
don't know if he thought it but it's
amazing. He does it with with warmth and
encouragement and it's it's a galiz to
all of us and art schools. art schools
changed the world. They've changed my
life. I owe them so so
much. They should continue to help bring
us closer to Msiah. Amen. Thank you.
Thank you.
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