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Inside ArtScroll Episode 5: Rabbi Paysach Krohn
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The newest episode of Inside ArtScroll features a full-length interview with Rabbi Paysach Krohn, bestselling author and renowned speaker. As one of the greatest storytellers and motivational lecturers of his time, Rabbi Krohn never fails to inspire and uplift his readers and listeners with his poignant words. In this interview, Rabbi Krohn does just that, offering insights and memories that will entertain you and leave you feeling inspired.
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[Music]
Hello everyone and welcome back to
Inside Arts Scroll where the books you
read and the people who write them come
to life. Today we are privileged to be
joined by the one and only Rabbi Pesak
Cron the author of many art scroll
volumes. Thank you for being here. I'm
excited to talk to you and we'll get
right into it. It's an honor to be here.
I love Hearts. I always loved it from
the time they were on Coney Island
Avenue. I just would hang around there
as much as I could. The people are just
the most wonderful dedicated people to
Claudius and I'm so proud to be part of
it. Art Scroll is proud to have you as
part of the family. Thank you. And I was
going to say that your name has become
synonymous with Arts Scroll. Uh I
believe your first book on brisma was
published in 1985 35 years ago with art
scroll and we actually have a lineup
here thanks to our wonderful friends in
the arts school warehouse they were able
to pull out all your books for us and
line it up here so beautifully and I
have your first book here
brisma and the thing that jumped out at
me was looking through it and we could
show the
viewers how similar almost exact the
text layout is today to what we're
looking at from 35 years ago with all
the advents of of and advances of
printing and design. Ripshia brander the
genius of design created something that
has
sustained you know what could you
comment on that just the fact that look
at the fonts the pageionation is
virtually identical to what we see today
isn't that unbelievable one one of the
things that always impressed me uh with
Ramis Lawitz and Rabnasen Sherman and
then eventually when I got to know Rabia
Brander is their tremendous
professionalism Everything that they did
always had to be in such a way not only
that it was artistically beautiful but
that it made a kesh shamayim it made
giddish kite look good and I could never
forget when that first uh safer came out
on McGillistor in 1976.
It was so incredible because first of
all you had an articulate person who
wrote the overview and that was Sherman
and then the commentary was brilliant
and the way she brand put it together
that cover became like a standard it was
so beautifully artistically done and
they followed that pattern since then
and all the books are like that. It is
incredible and I want to share something
that I don't know if people know. I
actually just heard it recently. I met R
a Shman at
aka and he told me number one that he
was the one who made the shik between
Ray Mayor's Lawitz and Ribbnasen
Sherman. Wow. Which I did not know but
then he added something fascinating. You
have said over the story probably dozens
of times about how Ray Mayor dedicated
himself to writing a commentary on
Malcester Leishmas Rayor
Fogle. Rabbi told me that when the
manuscript was finished and Ribor was
looking for a publisher he went around
to various publishing houses including
Felheim and all the publishing houses
turned him down. They felt that uh it
was nice but it wouldn't sell. That was
the way that was the way he described
it. And I was thinking to myself, could
you imagine at the time? I'm sure it was
to his utter disappointment that no one
would take the book. I'm sure he was
devastated. He worked so hard on the
manuscript. No one wants to publish it.
But could you imagine if one of those
publishing houses did publish it? I
don't know what would have happened with
the next volume. Maybe they would have
published that as well. And who knows if
arts girl would have materialized. What
a a lesson in hashkah and in responding
to seeming adversity by understanding
that obviously everything is manim. I
just thought of what an eyeopener. Well,
I'll tell you something. You have hit on
a very very delicate point. Just last
night I gave one of the most difficult
drushes that I ever gave. Now there was
a fellow his name is Raisha Morgan
Stern. He lost a daughter Razie or
Razies fellow that's what he called his
daughter five years ago in an accident
in Arizona and um he was absolutely
devastated and I remember speaking to
him and telling him that he should start
a support group for fathers who lost a
child and it took a long time. Now I've
spoken for women who have lost children.
It's a wonderful organization called
Tapestry and eventually Mishi Morgensson
started this organization and I spoke
for them last night and just this point
that you're talking about is something
that I said when my father Alvash was
very sick and my brother Aban and I were
in Washington Heights Schwab I will
never forget we went to the hospital to
visit my father and uh I came back to
eat the sudu with Rav Schwab and his
rebbitson and he said how's your father
and I said I have bet that he'll be well
and he got so stern with me and he said
does not mean that your father's going
to get well I mean I was terrified when
he told it to me I was all of 21 he said
means that Hashem has a master plan and
maybe one day you'll understand it but
difficult things happen in life and
sometimes we get to understand it and
that which you just said about Ramas
Lawitz is a perfect example I'm sure he
was devastated because he was a good
writer
and he had this manuscript ready and he
probably figured how could people not
see that it's such a wonderful thing and
yet because he was devastated and then
he had to go out and start his own look
what it's accomplished thousands of
volumes changed Israel the way changed
the way they dabbed the way they learned
Gumor and Kish and Medish and everything
every aspect of Yiddishite it was all
because he was rejected in a sense so
Sometimes a person goes through a
difficult time and can't understand why
is hashem making this happen and mayor
was able to live to see why it happened
because he he changed the world. Just
recently I was sitting in Ribbadalia
Lanovitz's office uh with another
visitor and we saw on a high shelf small
but thick loose leaves and we asked him
what that is and Gadalia said those are
my father's writings the original
writings of McGillesta and then the
subsequent migillas and he pulled them
down and we looked through them. Yeah.
Painstakingly written in longhand. Yeah.
And it was just an insight first of all
into his brilliance. You see the
original writing before it was edited.
He wrote like a poet beautifully. First
of all his handwriting is beautiful and
you see the depth of his understanding
as Havana. He was a tremendous Tom and
it really gave me a extra appreciation
of who Reb mayor was and what his
accomplishment is and how it's really
everlasting and lives on and he's given
us all an opportunity to be educated and
to learn and people like yourself an
opportunity to use your unbelievable
talent. Well, I tell you it's just so
incredible. I'm so indebted. My whole
family is so indebted to Raba Rabnen and
Rabia. I will never forget how it
happened actually. You know, I knew Raba
from camp. You know, he was an artist in
camp. He was in campaur,
right? And of course, he made the
banners. Nobody made a banner, you know,
he was the greatest artist of all. And
so I knew him as an artist, you know, as
a lefty artist, you know, he was a
lefty. And uh I I I that's that's where
I knew him from. That's where I knew
Mayor Fogle, the one he dedicated uh
McGill Cester to. And I remember when
arts scroll came out with McGillester. I
was fascinated by it. Now at that time I
was going to a shar called Lyore. the
Long Island Commissioner of Riser. David
Cohen was the RV and he gave the share
to the Raon in Long Island and he spoke
about this safer that had just come out
and I always loved writing as a child
because I learned it from my mother. You
know, we would talk about writing and
she gave me the love of writing when we
should mention we have one of the books
here. The way it was I believe the way
it was was written by your mother.
Hindi, right? Hindi, right? And and
that's one of the things we're so proud
of. I think we're the only family that
has three generations of writers for
Arts Girl Scroll. My mother Allah Shalom
and uh you know she wrote The Way It Was
and uh of course myself Bashem and uh my
daughter Bhasham Khaviva Chrome Feifer
who's written a couple of the children's
books. But uh getting back to what I was
telling you was that um when this
McGillis Esther came out, I thought,
"Wow, you know, there's a place for
Jewish people to write something good."
You know, when I was growing up, there
was not that much Jewish writing. I
wrote some stories for Olenu and uh you
know, the way the war was won, I made up
a story and it was printed. What year
was that that you were writing for? It
was shortly after high school. sign must
have been about uh I graduated in ' 62
so maybe 68 or maybe 70 or whatever but
there weren't that many platforms for
someone who wanted to write and get a
message out there and then and then Rab
Nissen Walpin was just so wonderful to
me he was so special every time he saw
me he wouldn't even say shamikum just
give me a pen you know he was great and
I wrote a few articles in the Jewish
Observer and one of the things I'll
never forget it just happened to be that
uh in one of the Jewish Observer I was
published right before my article was
Rabnasan Sherman's article and uh I was
so happy to be close to him you know I
didn't really know him I knew that he
was the mania of turretima or you know
and he was a rebian stolen or he was the
manal in stolen as well and uh so I was
so proud that my uncle was next to him
who would ever believe that and then I
remember one time I I always learned
with David Kh which I still learn with
him today um would learn once a week and
um I met mayor Lanowitz in the driveway
he was visiting Ra David he loves Ra
David and Rab David was in a sense his
rebi and his guidepost and his mentor
and I said to Rab mayor you know I'd
love to write for for you he said well
you could write anything you want and
we'll edit it you know you just write it
so I said well can I do kahelis because
you know they had just done migillas and
then I think a came out
and he said no the five migillas we're
doing ourselves so uh I said Okay, let
let me think about something. So, I
thought about Mish Mish. That would be a
good idea. So, it's probably the dumbest
thing I ever thought of, and I'll tell
you why. Um, so I never forget. I went
to the 42nd Street Library. I don't tell
this too often. And I I I got about a 10
Swarum, you know, there, you know,
Swarum on the Mish. And then I bought a
few Swarum. And I knew I can't start in
the beginning. Let let me start right in
the middle. I started with pedicure
olive and I figured you know I'll start
writing commentary and you know they'll
edit it and then I saw this is
impossible because mish mish every word
every sentence every singing is is a
book by itself there's no storyline so
what am I going to write 400 books you
know like mish has got so many and each
one is a different concept and it's a
obviously wrote it you know so it's
tremendous so I had written a couple and
I saw it's going to take over my life.
It's impossible. So, I was devastated
because I really wanted to write for art
scroll. You know, they were doing well
and people were beginning to compliment
them and say what they were
accomplishing for
Clausro. So then I then they wrote on
Keshma little pamphlet then they wrote
on Kadesh and I figured, oh my goodness,
they're writing on topics. I've got a
great topic to write on. I'll write on
brisma. Yeah. Nobody could do it better
than me. I was a male already a couple
years and I knew the Ashkanazi customs,
the spartic customs about babies being
yellow and you know about names and
alderman hogen you know that would be
great. So I called Mayor Lawitz back
because you know he knew that I was
starting Mish and then it just didn't
work out. So uh he said okay why don't
you write a a chapter and Rabnen and I
will look at it and uh we'll see if it's
worth writing if we'll do it. I said,
'Okay, fine, but don't let anybody else
do it. Please, just give me the
opportunity. And I went home and I said
to my mother, "Mom, we got to write
something. We got to do this because,
you know, for me as a male that I wrote
the book for art school on brisa, you
know, that would be the greatest
advertisement, right?" So, we decided
that we're going to write a commentary
on the tis. I figured, you know, there's
a text there, there's something I don't
have to start, you know, of
brisma and I'll write a commentary on it
and let's see how it goes. And so we
worked on it, you know, we took the
twice and I translated them and I found
commentary in different sorum and I
presented it. And Rabnen, I'll never
forget this, Ramnas, I'm going to try
not to cry. met Rob Nassen and Raba they
were on Coney Island Avenue and um I was
waiting you know for them to get back to
me and uh and they said it's
good we have I think we could do
something green light the green light
and two things happened I came to the
office and um I said do I have a
deadline and I'll never forget what
mayor Slowwood said we have no deadline
but I want you to keep this in mind as
you're writing the book You have to
write the type of book so that nobody in
their right mind in the next 10 years is
going to write a book in English on
Bruce Miller. In other words, it has to
be so allencompassing
that you got to cover everything. That's
the deadline. We're not worried about
the time. Just make sure that it's all
accomplishing. Were you intimidated by
that? No, I was thrilled because I I
felt that I could do it because I had
experience as a mile. I knew what had to
be in the book. And then the thing that
was so touching to me, of course today
nobody has telephone books anymore,
right? But Nelson Sherman had a little
telephone book in his pocket and he took
out the telephone book and he wrote my
name in his book with my telephone
number and then he put
it like I always say next to his heart
and he said, "Now you're one of us."
that was that I should be one of them
was just so special. I'll never forget
that little gesture, you know. I'm one
of them because it because you were an
aspiring writer. Yeah. And that just
made you feel made you feel that
validated you. Yeah. Validated. Exactly.
That's the right word. Wonderful. And um
and then of course you know I spent a
tremendous amount of time. Um my
favorite part was writing on names
because as a male many many times I help
people give a Hebrew name especially I
do many Brit from people and they're
always looking for names you know
they'll have the English name you know
Justin or Brian or whatever and they
don't know what to use for the Hebrew
name. I've heard you say that you
actually keep a log of every single
brisk you've performed with the name of
the job. Of course. Just and what was
your motivation to do that? I'll tell
you what, because my father will show
him did that. And the reason that he did
it and the reason I did it just happened
just the other day. I got a call from
somebody that I did a bris. That was
about um 12 years ago. The kids going to
have a bar mitzvah. They forgot what
they named him in Hebrew. Wow. And I
always give a certificate in the back of
the brisa book. There's also a
certificate and it has the Hebrew name.
And um they just didn't remember the
name. It wasn't really so connected to
the boy's English name. That's why they
didn't remember it. But I had the record
in a second. I just went downstairs and
got it out, you know, and told it to
them. Wow. I mean, how long did it take
you to put together the brisma book? So
that took about two and a half years
because I wanted to make it not only the
minhogim and not only the extra you know
that there are benching and um I wanted
to talk about certain topics names was
one of them the significance of eight
eight is very important in yiddishkite
there's eight strands on sites there's
eight big day kahuna and there's eight
generations from a until they went out
of eight is luminat
Exactly right. From the moral and so
therefore I figured I would write about
that and then I wrote about the Sandic
and uh in general I wanted to make some
very very strong essays and somebody who
was fabulous fabulous in the translation
of the was Avi Gold. Sure. Avi Gold
worked for many. Yeah. Really he he was
just absolutely incredible. And uh he
could put together the translation. He
was absolutely amazing. And I'll tell
you something very interesting. I don't
tell this often, but but it just shows,
you know, what I felt about what they
are. I remember one time I had a certain
problem. I forgot what it was. And I
went to Abn Sherman, you know, in his
office in Coney Island Avenue. And I
asked him for a bro and he said, "Why
why are you coming to me? I mean,
there's so many that you could go to." I
said, "Nasan, is there anybody else who
is Marbet's like you?" I mean, think
about it. It's all over the world.
there's no greater habitat than you and
so of course you have more than anybody
and that's how I looked at it and then
and this was even before the shas so uh
it it's it's humbling to be part of them
and I'll never forget in 19 well they
started in 76 and then they had their
10th year anniversary I remember gift
was one of the guest speakers and I was
invited to that dinner that they had it
was fabulous to sit among those ha
people that uh just changed the way as I
said before the way people ded the way
people learned it was just it's all art
school what was it like for you back in
1985 when you first held your book that
you pined for for so long I'll tell you
and you were finally holding it what
what was that you will not believe I'll
never forget it was a maze line it was
his kitchen and I came on a Friday Eric
Shavez and um he told me that he had the
book. Mhm. And I had worked on it two
and a half years. Now, I had never seen
a book that I published because this was
the first book, right? So, I'm waiting
for this thick book, right? This thick
hard cover. And he gives me a soft cover
that was so thin. I thought I would
faint. I said, "Did you print everything
that I wrote?" He said, "It's all here."
I said, "I can't believe how could it be
all here? Look at this." And I felt o
this this looks like nothing. You know,
it was a thin paperbank book. But of
course, it was all in there. You know,
the hard cover made it look a little
better. But uh but I'll never forget
then what I did was at that time in the
beginning I had many many soft cover
editions printed and I would give it out
at every bris. And then a couple days
later after the bris the people would
call me and say, you know, we wish we
had this before. It was so good. So then
I started a new thing. Then I had UPS
come to my house every single day and
the moment I got a call, it's still
Adama. The day I get a call, I fill out
a UPS label and send them a book. And
like this, they can read it, you know, a
couple days before. And there's a
tremendous amount of information in
there. After completing the brisma book,
what prompted you to go the story route
and start writing up stories? Well, I'll
tell you, I really feel that I owe a
tremendous debt of gratitude to a dear
friend of mine, Kanuk Teller. Kanuk is a
brilliant writer and uh initial I think
it was at the end of the 80s or right
around that time when the brisma book
had come out. So shortly after 1985,
there was a contest in Israel for
writers to write about Yeshua and he
among I'm sure it must have been a
thousand
writers put a piece together about the
significance of Yoshalim and the history
of Yushim and he won the contest and um
I know that it was printed. I was very
impressed with the way he wrote and then
shortly afterwards he wrote his first
book of stories and I think it was
called sold s o u l e d and then I began
thinking hey wait a second this guy's
writing stories I have access to stories
that nobody has because I was very close
to raw my brothers Colin and were even
closer than I was at that time and you
know the American public certainly the
young generation didn't know Yiddish
they didn't know Hebrew and he had such
great stories with such wonderful
lessons and um I thought you know that
would be a great idea. So I called him
and I said uh you know that maybe we
should write your stories in English and
it would be for the public and I told
him about art scroll and he said yeah
that would be a great idea and he wanted
that I should get started right away but
I couldn't do it right away because I
was still involved in the brisma book. I
couldn't have my head involved in two
books at one time. It was just too much.
And then the sitter was coming out just
at that time. And of course they had a
hund,000 orders in advance before the
sitter even hit the market and you can
understand that there cannot even be one
tiny mistake in a sitter. We're not
talking about a mag book that you can
you know you made a mistake so fine the
next time you respell the word or
whatever. I mean this is you're talking
to Hashem can't mix up a seg and a te or
a coma.
So they had to do it over and over and
over till it was absolutely perfect. But
that delayed the publication of the
brisma book. And
so between me and you and the 100,000
people that are going to watch this, he
got somebody else to start writing the
stories. Really? Yeah. I
was I was devastated because I gave him
the idea. But you know, he he felt it
had to be done. But you know sometimes
somebody's mistake is your uh your
advantage. And what that fellow did was
he was translating literally for
Shalom's Yiddish to English. And you
can't do that. You can't translate one
language to the other. You got to get
the flow of what it was. And so by the
time he realized that because people
were telling him, listen, it's not
readable in English. So then I started
writing. And I had a cousin
who learned
inh. And what he did was that he took
the stories that I sent him in English
and he sat with Ramshalam and he
translated them in Yiddish for
Ramshalam. Is that to for the veracity
to make sure that they were correct?
Right. To make sure that it was correct.
And Rab Shalom started writing me notes
on the stories, how I wrote them,
whether he liked it or not. And then it
I guess his hand was hurting because he
was just writing on every single story
and my goal was to have about 9500
stories. And then he would tell
me
good you know like it was so beautiful
how you touched this ma and then he
would
say from them has a different meaning
alto together. So because of that a
certain element happened in the market
books that I've carried it till this day
and that is the story is in one font
because the first book that was only his
stories. So the story was all his but
the lesson from it was in a different
font and in a indented chapter indented
paragraph I should say and that was my
lesson from it and he went along with
that because like this the story remains
the story whatever anybody wants to
learn from it you know that's fine the
way you learn it and you understand it
that's in a different type face so it
was clear that the lesson was yours and
he gave you the liberty of doing exactly
exactly and that's how I carried it in
every book even the stories that were
not from him and all the other
subsequent books. I let the story stand
for itself and then the lesson that I
learned from it. And you know the
Gomorrah says that Kazera god loan that
the man was like a white coriander seed
but the kazera god god comes from the
word magged and so a story is like the
mun the mun could be different things to
different people and a different taste
and that's how I touch the story can
have different flavor to different
people so I write the story and you
learn what you like from it but I'm
going to tell you what I learned from
you could agree with me or you could not
agree you know that's your prerogative
but in that way it's like m and you know
then it worked and what happened was
after the maget speaks came out and that
really took off no because nobody arts
school had never printed a book on
stories and that was selling left and
right and I figured that's it you know I
I got all the drop show stories what
there is you know one time I was in arts
school and Dustin Sherman says to me you
know you got to write again I said what
should I write he said listen to He
said, "I just got back from South Africa
and the Rebi was reading from your book
to the Tamidim." He says, "You know how
far South Africa is from here? Thousands
and thousands of miles. And your stories
are having effect on children in South
Africa." I had never been to South
Africa before since then. I've been
there many times. I love going there.
But he said, "If those rebay in South
Africa are teaching the kids from your
story, you got to find stories." I said,
"Where am I going to find them?" He
said, "Go back there. I'm showing my
son. I got most of his good stories
already. He said, "Well, then you're
going to have to find others." And
that's what happened. That's the first
book was the mag speaks because it was
only him. And then the second book was
around the mag's table because when
you're sitting around the mat's table,
the mag tells some stories and other
people tell stories. And that's what
happened. I got some more stories from
Rab Shalom. But basically I started
asking different raonim and I started
asking aim and I started asking people
about stories and I started writing them
down and that's why the second one was
called round the market's table and it
still had Rab Sham's picture on the
second book because many of the stories
were from him but the idea was that
that's how it started going and once I
started asking people for stories people
would stop me in the street and tell me
a story and you know they wanted to know
if I know how to spell their name
because they wanted to be printed.
But and and then you know every time
I've written a book I I figured okay
that's the end. There's nothing else it
can be but it's been going on. And
what's interesting is that your first
book on stories is called the maggot
speaks right and the mid was referring
to right what happened over time is that
you became known as the mag and I tell
you that was very embarrassing to me
because you know I felt that that's an
exalted title. I didn't want to take
that on myself and that's why every book
it's the illuminations of the mag you
know the original mad reflections of the
mag the original mag the splendor of the
mag because I can't I I don't think I've
ever called myself the mad I know many
many people refer to it I remember Rabbi
Brahman shalom he was the first one who
introduced me that way still remember
shalash yes farway when he mentioned
that I was like so enamored and so
thrilled and and humbled you you know
that I should be called that. But I'll
tell you a little secret. When Abalam
was here the first time and my father
was alive at that time, I was so amazed
at what he could do with an audience. He
could make them cry. He could make them
laugh and he he moved them so. And I
said to my father, it's hard to believe,
but I said to my father, I said, "Is it
possible to be a mid in
America?" And my father said, "In
America, you could become whatever you
want to become." Now when I was 18 19 I
was not thinking of becoming a maggot
but just the fact that he told me that
you could become anything that you want
you know it was that was liberating you
know but I will say that I think the
reason why you became a known as the
magid is because of your unbelievable
oratory skills. So you started off
writing, right? But it was the ability,
like you said, to connect to an audience
and to articulate in a way that
resonates and that penetrates and that's
compelling. Yeah. And that leads me to
my next question. At what point did you
know that besides for being able to
convey messages via the written word
that you'd be able to do it orally by
being an auditor? When I'll tell you
I'll tell you how that happened. It's
very interesting because many many
people when they see a book they think
well if the fellow can write a story
maybe he could tell a story. Now in camp
of course I was a counselor and I was a
learning rebby so I had some oratory
practice so to speak you know I was a
color war general you know and I always
loved you know speaking I p leader and
things like that but never you know on a
broad scale in the family I always spoke
at chevraas but I'll never forget
Rabarak Gman actually I was his
counselor in camp he was known as Barry
Gman but today Rabbor and he called me
to speak at a graduation he was running
a Russian school and the book had just
come out and in March I think it was or
I think so that's when the uh first mag
book came out and he called me for a
graduation in June and it started from
there now of course in the beginning you
don't speak at the agura convention you
know at Sinai and Daba in South Africa
you know or in Kinlas in England you
know for a thousand people but you know
it slowly builds and once I began
speaking and began to hone the speaking
skills how to make it presentable
how to make it orderly and then to
review. I'll never forget the first time
that I had spoken together with Rabbit
Zahab Bronstein Shalom. She was such a
tadas and I reviewed at the end of the
speech as I always do. She said to me,
you know, that's a great way of
speaking. You must do that at every
speech and that became like a u a
trademark that I always review, right? I
always review at the end and and it's
there's a very important lesson there
because it shows that there's a
structure that there's a beginning,
there's a middle, there's an end and it
just flows. And many many people ask me,
do you ever get nervous when you speak?
And I always tell people the same thing.
I never get nervous when I speak. Why
not? I always get nervous when I
prepare. When I'm preparing, I'm
sweating bullets. I can sit at a table
for three hours in a row. My wife says,
"What are you doing at the table three
hours in a row?" And I said, I'm
thinking and I'm writing and I'm
rewriting and putting the cards in order
and figuring out what is going to make
the audience listen and follow in such a
way that they won't get lost and and and
that's and that's I I I think that's
part of it. So somebody just you know
one of Kanya's friends uh Rosenberg just
told me yesterday he said you know you
should uh have a course in teaching
people how to speak publicly. True. You
know, so I was going to ask you growing
growing up, were there any speakers who
you aspired to emulate? That's a great
question. Whose style maybe you
incorporated into your own I'll tell
I'll tell you some of the great speakers
that I loved. John Kennedy was a
fabulous speaker. Aba Eban. Oh, what a
speaker. I think I heard the speech that
he gave in the UN after the six day war.
I think I've heard it 30 times. You
know, I loved that speech. It was
fabulous. He didn't mention Hashem's
name in there. That hurt me. You know,
he was an Israeli guy. How could you not
say Hashem's name that it was a miracle
of the six day war? for for whatever
reason you know but Rabbi Jacobitz
Emanuel Jacobitz oh the eloquence of
this man Rabk Gifter Rav Schwab these
people who spoke Rabankov Kameki
Rabankov wasn't in order but the emis
and the
the hayasha of these people when they
got up to speak or gift was of course
very powerful so what do you what makes
a master order is it the content is it
the the ma the mastery of the language
is it the cadence
Is it the energy? I mean these things
today we're inundated with so many
different speakers. Everyone has their
own style. What do you as
the I think that what you just touched
on it's all those things. First of all
the audience has to feel that you
respect them. That's the first thing. I
always wear cufflings when I speak.
Always. Always. Always. I mean even on
Zoom I would never do a Zoom without a
tie and a jacket. How do you speak to an
audience without a tie and a jacket? So
you respect them. You dress accordingly
and you never talk down to people and
you're always trying to build people.
Tell people they're good but they can be
better. Don't tell people they're bad.
Nobody wants to hear that they're bad.
And many times a speaker, you know, will
try to show, you know, he'll give them
muser, especially in l tell them how
awful they are and they're going to burn
a gem, you know, and that uh rash is the
dinner and they better be afraid, you
know, of what they've done. it's not my
style, you know. So, you have to build
people and I think that's one thing you
have to connect to the people and never
ever say anything that you don't believe
in. And never ever ask an audience to do
something that you don't do. You know,
they'll see through it. They'll see
through it. If you ask them you want
them to do certain things, whatever to
do in a certain part, I'm very big
believer in saying Alira after Alenu. I
always say it. I would never ask people
to say it if if I didn't do it. I tell
people to say kabonas you know there's
certain things you know to give uh
stucker every day there's a wonderful
organization called dailygiving.org
I'm involved with that. But that's only
I could ask people to do that because I
do it. So I I think that you have to
have a powerful story and don't get
bogged down with the details. You know,
if you went to Shel, nobody cares if you
went to Air France or LL or, you know,
Delta Airlines. That's not important,
you know, and you've got to get to the
main point of the story and then relate
to the story to the lesson that you want
to give. And it's true. You have to face
your audience. I never ever read a
speech. Ever. Don't ever read a speech.
Never. Because then you Yeah. Then you
have notes. Yeah. I have notes. What I
want to say? General. Have you ever used
a teleprompter? No. No. No. Never. So
you're speaking extemporaneously. Right.
Just like I'm speaking to you right now.
It's a conversation to give you
structure. Exactly. Are you ever are you
ever nervous that you may not have the
right formulation of words and you may
sometimes if I want a key word I may
write that down because I have it in my
mind you know what I want to say so I'll
write down that key word another thing I
never ever start with a joke many many
speakers start with jokes you
say most of the jokes are not funny and
what happens is when the joke is not
funny you turn off the audience what did
he think what did this guy think and I'm
so stupid, you know, that I think that's
funny. It's not funny. Well, humor is
tricky because what what some people
find funny, others don't. I always say
with a story and inspiration, yeah, very
often you'll find that common theme that
will inspire everyone, right? With a
joke, a joke is not there. There's only
one joke, one speaker that I know that
started with a joke that was the
greatest joke that I ever heard in front
of an audience who was absolutely
fabulous. And that was Rabbi Barl Wine.
There's nobody like him anyway. Sure.
And um he and I were at the was supposed
to speak for the neffesh organization
many many years ago and I said to Mrs.
London who called us I'm not speaking
after him. You know I got to speak first
because you know this guy knows
everything. You know what am I going to
say? So I'll never forget it was
preparing for goula and I'm telling you
I prepared for that speech at probably
two months at least two three months and
I I'm telling you a week before the
speech I called Rabbi Wine and I said
you know what are you going to say
because I'm very well prepared. I don't
want to say something if you know you're
going to say it. He said well you didn't
even think about it yet. You know I'm
preparing two and a half months and he
he's not even thinking about it. Right.
Okay. There were a thousand people in
Mont High School in Burough Punk that
night. I'll never forget. And I'm
telling you, I covered that topic from
head to toe preparing for Gula. He gets
up, he said one sentence and he had the
whole audience in his back pocket that
he continued to dra. He said, and I
can't imitate a Chicago accent, but he
said, "I learned a lesson in the
rabbinet a long time ago. When the mile
gets finished, there's very little left
for the rabbi to
do." And that was a Oh gosh. He had the
audience screaming in laughter and and
then he gave a speech. But unless you
have a a crack like that, don't start
with a joke. How many hours does it take
you to prepare one speech, would you
say? Oh, it's days. Days and days
really. You think about it all the time,
you know, because you're constantly
compiling information and you probably
have an archive stories. Yeah. Well,
that is true. But like for example right
now um the last 10 years bar hashem I've
been going to at least 10 years to
England in L I'm not going to go this
year because of you know they don't have
the main audiences are not getting
together and even it's a very big show
but there's a thousand people that come
so you can't social distance so we're
going to do is gonna film a video but
it's a brand new topic it's a great
topic but I have to think a lot about it
Mhm. which I really have to get into and
that is how are we going to da this year
rash without our regular that gets us
into the ding and what if the regular
can't be there and the regular is the
one who usually
is so you know you might not be in the
regular sh that you're not going to be
with your crowd you might not even be
with your how you going to
connect you know these are all givens
you know Bil is there, the naguna are
there, and the is there, but they're
not. Wow, that's a that's a tough speech
to prepare. I really have to think about
that. I don't have the answers yet, but
you know, we have to get them. I've once
noted a difference between, let's say,
those who work in music and entertain
and inspire and those who write or
speak. A singer, he could sing his hit
song for 40 years and sing the same song
again and again and the crowd will love
it, right? A speaker cannot reuse his
material. And especially in a world
today where things are recorded, it's so
true. What do you what do you do? What
do you do? Din,
you know, at one at one time before
recordings and before videos, you could
say a speech in one sh and say it in
another and another and you're good to
go. It's true. till the story makes the
rounds. Nowadays, your material is only
as good as the day you say it. Well, you
know, it is true to a point, especially
when it goes on to anytime.com, which is
one of the great organizations
includes all over. And my wife many
times tells me, don't give it to them.
Don't tell them you're speaking, you
know, in Brooklyn because they come and
record it and then you're stuck in Los
Angeles. But my policy is and I keep a
record of every single speech just like
I keep a record of every Oh, every Sure.
Of course. Every sing.
Every single one with the topic and the
content. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, sure. I could
tell I can you tell me a speech that I
gave in a date. I'll have a few in five
seconds. Wow. Yeah. It's not on
computer. It's all written out, but
whatever. Although now I have it on
computer and I could find it. And um so
if I gave a speech in Los Angeles, I
won't give that speech again. But if I
gave it in Chicago and they listened to
it, you know, I can't be blamed for
that, you know. So I may repeat in Los
Angeles what I said in Chicago, right?
Or I could say in South Africa, you
know, what I said in Switzerland, but um
in the same place, I would never repeat
the same speech.
Now you're we're looking here all the
books you produced. It's a real nas.
What do you see? What's your next step?
Well, you know, I had a tremendous
tremendous with the Haga. Now, um,
people have been asking me for years
that I should write a Hagoda. And then
two years ago, I decided, you know,
now's the time. And the way I decided to
write the Hagoda was different than any
Hagod that was ever printed. In other
words, I'm not going to write a
commentary because there are thousand of
Perushim on the Hagod. But what I'm
going to do is I'm going to take every
part
like
nowadim you know what aim stands
for. So in the first word of the answer
that the father gives he's talking about
Msiah. That's the goal. It's amazing.
now and um so what I did was I took the
theme of every piece whether it was or
whatever and um wrote a story about
something about the essence of that
piece. So it wasn't the commentary on
the piece but somebody could read it now
and I worked very very hard on it and
has the greatest editors in the world
Sherman who edits all my stuff and um
tell you a great story about that in a
second and for me Eisner Mrs. Felic they
are fabulous there's no editors like
them in the world and they've been doing
my the last number of books and that I I
said to Rob Nelson I said you know why
don't we publish a book of the way I
gave you the story and the way you
edited and people will learn how to
write she says I don't want to embarrass
you but he's masterful it's just there's
no way I I love I love seeing what he
does with the sentences and and the
structure he's fabulous
So um what happens is that I I give in
the stories you know they edit it and
they bring it back to me they send it to
me and then and they're working very
very very diligently. So now when the
haga came out it was right before pur
before co now I had worked very hard I
worked a year and a half on it and when
co happened I figured that's it finished
you know it's not going to sell all the
stores are closed they to go home and
then Oscar moved to raw and governor
Murphy allowed them to be open even when
co started in New York so they were able
to sell thousands and thousands of
hagodas even though the stores were
closed people were calling and they were
ordering them. And to me, one of the
most rewarding things was that so many
almans, so many people told me that they
were alone at the sedar and they read
the hag until 2:30 in the morning. You
can't imagine so many almans said to me,
"It was me, you and Hashem." And we
loved it. We read it both nights. One
lady wrote me, she said, "I never said
shia shirum at a seda before in my life,
but you had it there and you explained
it and I was alone and I was up till
2:30 reading it and it was so special."
So Gdalia just couldn't get enough of
the emails, you know, I was getting all
these emails and I forwarded to him. He
said, "You got to do something else." I
said, "What?" So I had an idea, but you
know, of course, they always have better
ideas. And he said to me, "What you
should write is on elashana and yamipper
and do like a hag just like you did.
Don't write a perish on the mer." So the
working title is the mag on the makar
but it's not going to be on the m only
it's on el it's on cha all these
wonderful stories that I've picked up in
different places many of them new some
of them from the m books and it's going
to be on the different type
on you know all these things the theme
of them and rabnos is just masterful now
the story that I just gave in the other
day and felis just gave it to me back
Today the final letter thing I don't
know if you know that in 1943 in
Denmark Hitler and Himmler they wanted
to finish off the yidden and they had
planned they had planned that on the
night of Russia Shana when all the
yidden were in shoos they were going to
round up with trucks around all the shs
take the yidden get them on ships and
ship them to concentration camps and
there was one guy his name was Duckwitz
he was a Nazi but he was in the
government in Denmark and he was a
German represent. He hated the Nazis. He
hated their cruelty and he decided he's
going to, you know, betray his country
and tell the Jews that they got to get
out. And that's what he did. He let the
Jewish people know through the president
of the Jewish society who let the rabbi
know. And on the day of two days before
Rashashana, the RV got up, Rabbi
Melikar, and he said, "Rabisai, we're
not saying, I want you to go home right
now, and I want you to run. Tell
everybody they got to run up north
because this guy, Duckwitz, went to
Sweden to try to convince the Swedish
prime minister that the Jews would come
over by boat and he should take them.
They should take them." And it's hard to
believe. There are few books about this.
And I I I was going to ask where the
story is documented. Yeah. So there's
Mrs. Shariffstein who I know in Cran
Heights she grew up in Stockholm she
wrote a book it was morning it was
evening or it was evening it was morning
and Rabbi Bamberger wrote a book about
called the Viking Jews and he has the
whole story about it how the Yidden ran
6,000 yidden was saved within two weeks
from before Rashana until after Yam
Kipper and they stayed in Sweden some
for 19 some for 22 months and what's
shocking is when they came back they
went into their houses Everything was
still on the table the way they set it
for Rashashana. The beckers were there,
the candalabras were there, the
silverware was there, the dane did not
let anybody go into the houses. That's
how Rabbi Bamberger ends his book. It
was just unbelievable. So there's one of
the stories that you're you're including
in the volume and you hope to have this
done for next year.
Rash do do you foresee doing then
following it up with something on Kaneka
Purum and who knows? Yeah. Who knows? I
don't know. Maybe we do another market
book of stories. I don't know. This is
something that I've wanted to ask some
of our guests.
What other than a Rabbi Cone book, of
course, or Khaviva's book or your
mother's book, what is your favorite
book or two that you could think of that
either impacted you or that you
particularly mean? Not the ones that I
wrote. Not the ones that you wrote.
That's a good question. I have to think
about that. What
book? You know, there was a Rabbi Donan
many years ago who wrote a book to be a
Jew. That was fabulous. That made a big
rushim on me.
Um, trying to
think. I mean, I've gotten all of Rab
Schwab's book selected speeches and
things like that. Now, of your books,
any one that in particular? Well,
there's Traveling with the Mag was the
most difficult one to write. uh that was
about our trip to Lithuania, right? And
that had to include the history and what
went on on the trip and
the so that was three books in one and
it's a coffee table book. I was hoping
to write something on Poland. Maybe one
day I would do that. Then there's a book
called the glittering world of which has
fabulous ideas of of Israel in different
places all over the world. And of course
the brisma book is something that I'm
very proud of. you know, that was the
first one and uh Hashem, you know, it's
uh I'm very very gratified. You've
enriched us all. We love the stories. I
hope so. My only question is whether
you're a better writer than a speaker or
a better speaker than a writer, but
either way than both of them. I
just did Kanya's grandson, buddy. Yeah.
That's right. Mazu. Yeah, that's right.
And of course, we should mention that
it's Kanya who's the brilliance behind
making us look good on the show. I mean,
we sit, we talk, but someone's got to be
behind the can camera and Kanya and his
team at Kum do a fabulous job. So, we
thank all of them and we thank you for
joining us today for giving us uh some
insight into what has become a
tremendous career of
inspiring, inspiring all of us to be
better people, to be
better and You should continue to use
your considerable talents.
Amen. Amen. And I just want to encourage
all the listeners that have your kids
read a lot so that they can learn to
write and they can learn to speak
because today with technology the way it
is, you could be speaking here in New
Jersey in Raway in New Jersey and
somebody in Chile and Switzerland is
going to be inspired by it. And that's
what Torah anytime is all about. You
know, you have speakers in Queens, but
it it goes all over the world. So if you
know how to write and you know how to
speak, you have such a possibility of
reaching tens of thousands of people.
That's why it is so important. 100%. I
can tell you just from being here at
Oscar, we see where orders go to. It's
worth a visit just to the just to the
warehouse to see the addresses of where
books and gar and are going to. And it
is inspiring that the written word has
that power to go to go all over. And
like you said, well that's the you know
motto the written word is forever.
Exactly. It really is. So we thank you
again and I thank Shalom for the
opportunities that he's given me and
Raim and Rabia Ellie Cone all these guys
make me look good. Believe me, you know
it's not me but uh I'm so grateful. We
are fortunate and thanks for your for
enhancing the arts world brand as you
have. Thank you. Thank you so so much.
Okay and everything you do. Thank you.
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