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Inside ArtScroll Episode 4: Rabbi Yaakov Feitman
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The newest episode of Inside ArtScroll features a full-length interview with Rabbi Yaakov Feitman, author of the new book Blueprints” and rav of Kehillas Bais Yehuda Tzvi in Cedarhurst, NY. As one of the most prominent students of Rav Yitzchak Hutner zt”l, Rabbi Feitman shares fascinating stories about his interactions with the rosh yeshivah, as well as sage advice and insights gleaned from over four decades in the rabbinate.
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[Music]
Hello everyone and welcome back to
inside art scroll where the books you
read and the people who write them come
to life. Today we are privileged to be
joined by Rabb Yako Fightman, the
longtime RV of Kihilas Base Yehudi of
Cedarhurst and the author of the brand
new art scroll book blueprints. Thank
you, Rabbi Feman, for joining us. Thank
you, Rabbi Hinger. It's a pleasure to be
here in the land of arts. First of all,
I must ask, how is the Revan Rebbitson,
how are the Reverend Rebbitson feeling?
Hashem, we're all
postcoon can still use a reformer. So uh
for
her and thank you for coming out to
beautiful art scroll headquarters for
this conversation. We're very excited
about the release of your new book
blueprints. So let's start there before
we delve into the background before we
talk about your blueprint. What was the
goal in writing this book and how did
you compile it?
So the truth is that this um goal as you
say and the book itself has been
germinating somewhere in the back of my
head and my heart and other places for
many many years probably decades. I I've
always felt that there's
a para it's mentioned in the
introduction to the
book. Everybody knows the line. Hashem
created the world. But before he created
the world, he wrote the Tyra. Then he
looked into the Tyra and he created the
world. So what is that? That's a
blueprint. Made the blueprint and then
he looked into the blueprint. So I've
always felt that there are many many
daily examples of that that you can look
into the Tyra and all of a sudden a
light pops up a light shines and you're
you understand something that not only
you never understood before but most of
the world has never understood before
and and that's really the essence of the
book. The entire book is all about
blueprints that will help us to
understand the world. Now you are
currently also a Yat columnist uh where
your column appears every week and the
style of the book kind of mirrors the
style of your columns where you
intersperse some very deep thoughts from
Yuri Rashiva Rabi as well as other
Gal and you share stories and vignettes
and insights.
walk us through how you compile your
articles and in this case the chapters
of being able to balance sometimes heavy
material with really light and
enlightening and easy to read type of
stories and anecdotes. So the truth is
that that a good deal of the book but
not all of the book was um published
already not in this exact form because
there's a lot of kush in the way that
the book was published and under the
opaces of art school it got kept getting
better and better through various
editors especially Mrs. writing for
merit Israel but very wonderful people
rabbis ladawitz of course so when they
began some of them began in um mishbaka
some of them as you said in the last
couple of years and then there's others
that are totally new so what really
happens to me is I either read about
something or I hear about something
either on the radio or some other medium
now that I've published very often in
all of these media
and People send me things. Sometimes now
my own children send me things and when
I see something I say h the Tyrus talks
about that and then I try in my mind to
come up. Usually it's a the gives birth
to
the give birth to the on that subject
and all of a sudden bingo there's an
article. So the the key over here is
that articles have a certain limitation.
You can't write more than, and I'm sure
you've heard this from Rabbi Lipchitz
often, and your own articles are
beautifully short. Mine are
unfortunately a little bit longer, but
they tend to be around 1500,600 words.
So each one of the chapters or of the
the subjects, the columns are about that
long. They try to examine a a world
phenomenon that uh everybody's talking
about. If you want to give you some
examples, sports for instance, music,
other things in the world and what the
world philosophers or theologians say
about it and then we try to look with
Torah eyes at what the Tyra says about
it. Now, what I liked about the way the
book is formulated is that you start
each chapter with a blueprint and then
an application. So before the reader
even
attempts to read the chapter, they know
kind of what your direction is going to
be and that kind of helps them navigate
it. I think that's something that I
learned actually from the at and
wonderful places like that. There's a
teaser and and it's supposed to be a
little bit of a foresh, an appetizer so
that people will want to read this and
the key is that it's practical. It's
pragmatic and hopefully helps people in
their lives. Absolutely. So, speaking of
blueprints, anyone who's read your
writings, and I want to tell you the
other day I was somehow looking through
some old uh archived uh articles from
years ago, and I see Rabbi Fitman an
article from the 1980s in the Jewish
Observer. And here I am, I'm thinking to
myself, I was probably two, three years
old when that article came out. And can
I know you're still writing so many
years later um using the medium of
writing? I'll I'll get it one of these
days. I'm working on it. One of these
days I'll I'll get there. You'll get it
rightem. You've done a wonderful job.
Your blueprint of your life. People who
have read your writings know that you're
a very prominent of yeshiva in Berlin.
Many people may not know how you got
there. Could you provide some background
where you grew up and where you spent
your formative years before you got to
Hutner? Well, I I was actually born in
Germany um almost right after the war
1948 and um my parents Alasham sent me
to Berlin and eventually I actually went
to yeshiva Eastern Parkway for a while
for Mifa but even yeshiva of Eastern
Parkway which was an outgrowth we've
recently all been also commemorating the
yard of Rabbi Silber Zets out so Rabbi
Sila was also a town of the rashiva and
when the yeshiva Eastern Parkway missifa
began And the rasha unlike he went out
of his comfort zone he never spoke
outside of the yeshiva he said a mimemer
in the yeshiva and it changed my life he
he he said one of the that's printed in
the was
called and it changed my life I had to
get to know him and then we wineberg
zatsal was also my rashiva and my rebi
and at eastern parkway at eastern
parkway and he sent me to go talk to the
rashiva in learning. So I was petrified.
How old were you at the time? Uh 12.
Well, 12. Okay. 12 years old. 12 years
old. 12 year olds should actually not go
to see Rafna. It was probably not a good
idea. I was petrified. So I'll just tell
you one funny story that I've never
actually told. But that gave me a taste
of what was h going to happen for many
many decades afterwards. So I said and I
was very proud of it because I said on
top
of but I didn't say I
said and I remember the said to
me so so he he knew exactly what I was
saying. But the the edge in his voice
told me that first of all I should have
said the Mishna and the garra and maybe
a rishin and then got into ribbkup and
second of all who do you think you are
saying over ribskup. So I got all that
instantly. Uh but but it opened up a
doorway actually a passage that really
hashem still continues in my learning
from ravuts. So you meet Rahutner at age
12. You make your attempt at sharing a
rip. What was the next step? So the next
step was that he called me back. I I was
just supposed to say something uh that
weber wanted me to say which was in in
uh but then the receiva called me back.
I I was astounded and um somehow or
other almost the ne I was a little bit
older then at that time I I was a
teenager and he was also asking me
already to translate my mimm and to
submit them to him. He was already at
that young age. Yes. Yes. So that so
that when I was when I was a little bit
older then in mid20s. So he was he was
asking me to translate things that he
either told me privately one-on-one uh
and then
um the the real part of that connection
and that relationship was when he spoke
to the manal that was the famous
nonholocaust talk because he didn't like
the word holocaust but he said the
kurban wasn't even a mimer. was a a a
teaching moment for all the and then
Rabbi Fman and I translated it. But then
gave it over to me to edit as per the
rashiva. So I want to get to the
Holocaust piece which is a a historic
seinal piece from the rashiva. But let's
go back again. You're a teenager. You
joined Kim Berlin, right? Ninth grade,
right? No, ninth grade. Actually 9th
through 12th. I was in in in Eastern
Parkway and then I went for one Zaman
after but you had spoken to Ra Hutner at
age 12 when you were still when you were
still at at Eastern Parkway still at
Eastern Parkway right so it wasn't until
till later that you finally joined
Berlin right then how did know that you
had an ability to put into writing to
his satisfaction hisra that's a
wonderful question I don't know the
answer but but we conversed and we
conversed in Yiddish but every once in a
while he would throw me an English word
and then I I had to respond in English
because it was the way that he was
speaking to me was uh required an
English language response and then I I I
am assuming that based upon that he
derived or deduced that I could write um
and then much later he he gave me
something it was a very difficult thing
to do um he gave me something that
somebody else had translated and um I
knew this wasn't his style. So he asked
me, "What do you think of it?" It was
very difficult because I I was much
younger than the person that had
translated it. And I said it was very
accurate. So he said, "Yanko, accurate
is the correct word, but um I believe he
he he may have used the word poet
poetry. I don't I think that was the
first time I heard the word poetry from
him, but is it also poetry?"
So I said, "Mr. Mhm." And then he asked
me to rewrite the whole thing. So he
told me at the time the line was he he
didn't even look at me. He was like I
think um talking to himself I think but
but he was too smart to just do that
knowing that I was listening. So it was
for me also
said and and he didn't want that. It's
obviously the the mamurim are beautiful
poetry poetic and and by the way the
letters if you go through the igress of
the rashiva zatal when he was a teenager
he wrote like um I don't want to say
rebuild I don't know if if that's the
comparison but he wrote like an elder
poet wow it was incredible and he was
just writing letters to his parents and
he didn't want that to be lost in
translation that beautiful poetic style
but what's interesting is that he
critiqued your writings in English even
though English wasn't his mother tongue
and there's a story in my family that
it's told over that my grandfather Harry
Hiziger who was an East New Yorker when
he heard that the Rashiva came to
America the first thing he did was make
a beline to his in-laws house the
Rashiva's in-laws and he walked in and
found Rav Hutner holding a dictionary
teaching himself English so I think it's
fascinating that Dashiva had that
ability that knack for language to
master a language that wasn't his mother
tongue as I mentioned and to be able to
critique it and he knew what he was
looking for you know the sal this this
may be famous I don't know but maybe a
lot of people don't know this the
rashiva wrote a perush on raenu hill on
safra and and um not only a perish on it
but but parts of it that were almost not
published maybe they weren't published
so he taught himself an Italian script
it was written in an Italian script and
he taught it to himself. So I remember
once he said to me, we were talking
about I asked him if I could go to
college. My parents wanted me to go to
college. I was the child of Holocaust
survivors and they were all worried. So
he said it's not
necessary. An autodidact he
said if you go to college you won't know
that word. So that was he he an
autotoact for those that don't know is a
self-taught person. So, so, so he was
telling me basically that you don't need
college even to be an educated person
and uh and and that that he taught
himself that Italian script and I think
more than that I think he may have
actually taught himself Italian at the
time I don't remember just to be able to
publish the Rabenu Hill on Saffro now
how often was he asking DV to write his
writings in English how often did that
come up so so so in the early years not
that much but but much later I I I think
it may have begun in the um 1970s. I
published a translation of a safari
cafer on the esamakus. So it's called
out of the iron furnace. I believe it's
out of print, but uh it that people
spend a lot of money for some some
reason. It's a translation of rebel ben
Davidid. and I gave one to the rishiva
and after that he started calling me a
lot and um that led us to the um the
holocaust uh one that you you alluded to
that we'll talk about later and other
things as well that he asked me to
translate. Now the seminal piece on the
Holocaust was really the uh Rashiva's
view on a period of time that I guessed
people of that generation were grappling
with to understand to understand the
Tashkafa to understand how it should be
taught. What was it like when you sat
down with the Rashiva and he first
presented to you what he wanted and what
was the process of putting that
together? Well, the the process actually
was was initially easy and then it
became much more difficult. Dshiva
spoke. This was a spoken thing and as I
said, Rabbi Foyman Zatal took excellent
notes and he gave me his notes and I had
my own I really did not take notes. I
was just listening very intently at the
time. Um so Diva wanted some something
more a little bit more poetry as I said
and also he wanted to add some material
that was not in the original. So he said
to me, um, your uncle come to my house
in such and such a a day. It was I
forgot what day it was, but I will never
forget we spent seven hours on this in a
row. And it turned out I was very sick
that day. The Shiva told me when to
come. I had a very high fever. And
somewhere along the way, he said to
me, said, "Rebby, I don't feel well." So
I said
gay. So after the seven hours, so I came
back a few days later when I was feeling
better and then we did more and there
was a total of probably I would imagine
like at least 10 hours of of of total
discussion about it and I um he had me
asked me to submit a manuscript on this
which he critiqued both on substance,
style and language as you mentioned.
What year was this? What year? What year
are we talking? 1970s. Um Mhm. probably
77 something like that. So it's only
four four years before his petira. Yes.
It was it was a couple of years before
the Petira, right? 77 I believe that's
what it was. And um and then it was
published to um some acclaim and to a
great deal of criticism and a great deal
of emotion
because the Rasha didn't pull any
punches and he blamed who he he felt had
to be blamed and he defended the Gali is
in fact he told me privately but then
later on we printed I'll tell you in a
minute how that happened that the whole
reason that he said that mimemer to all
the manim was to defend the cover of the
Russ and Rabonim and and Adim that did
not tell everybody to leave Europe. So
was that give us a synopsis of the that
was his goal in writing. What's a
synopsis of that particular piece? Well
there are many parts to it. I I I'll
I'll focus maybe on one of them.
So one one opinion of the so-called you
know holocaust he didn't like that word
and I'll start with that was because his
thesis and his dash tyra was that you
can't give an event in Jewish history a
name of its own and he said nobody ever
did it before there was takat there was
the uh Spanish inquisition and expulsion
the crusades but these were secular
names our name for everything is and
therefore there's is a continuum a
connection between all the so he said if
you want to say holocaust and that's
this particular 39 to 45 years so you
have to also
say and and by the way he was ple he
actually accomplished what I I won't say
everybody but many of the schools that
afterwards started teaching what's
called holocaust studies switched it
to all the good the better basakovs and
the the yeshivas that that dealt with
us. Not the Showa. The Showa was No, he
didn't like either. Yeah, because Showa
also, in fact, the reason that he didn't
like the word Showa, because Showa, he
said, is a sudden eruption. It's like a
an earthquake or a volcano. It's it's
it's a it's a tempest but it's not a
continuation of events that the brings
upon his his line was which I wrote and
translated as leaked
of so results
in if we don't listen there's there's of
course
and so his point was and and he felt
that this is such a that Everybody has
to know and live with. And he said
fathers have to teach it to their
children. Mothers have to teach it to
their children that we have resting upon
our
shoulders this and therefore there's no
blame. You can't do blame. And in this
he was critical but we didn't say names
of those that said kind of like he
didn't like
the even though that's what the tyra
says but said that we're not to pinpoint
which a is the results in which in which
punishment. So therefore his point was
that there is in Jewish history a a
moment that we we we all of a sudden run
decides to uh it might be a cumulative
effect to bring upon us something
terrible but you can't blame that
generation necessarily and that went
against many many other very wonderful
people. He didn't, you know, he didn't
have anything against them other than he
disagreed with them on this point. But
the problem was that some of the
survivors did not take it well. Even
though he he never blamed them. On the
contrary, he told me when I started
going into and then on the verge of
going into Rabanas, I I I didn't
actually go into Rabonus when he was
alive, but I was toying with it. And he
gave me guidelines and rules and
regulations. So he told me never talk to
survivors about this because because
they they can't handle it emotionally
and just cuddle them and love them and
give them. So this was for the next
generation to understand the proper
hashkov of it. Then once it was written
and the Rashiva approved it now you were
going to disseminate it. How did you do
that? So so what happened was like this.
to be it it it was an article in the
Jewish observer and um by Rabbi Khim
Fyman and Yakov Fightman and and it went
all over the world. It was like what
what they would call today viral. They
didn't say that word in those days. Now
it means everything else but it went all
over the place and there was a great
deal of criticism. Mostly people did not
did did not understand it. They reacted
viscerally
and did a khazar what he called a khazar
on the mimemer and that I think by then
rabbi former wasn't involved and then I
I translated and wrote that so like a
rebuttal almost like a rebuttal to the
didn't want it to be read as a rebuttal
so in the process of and he said he said
to
me and and there's new things so then
that I wrote up by myself when Rabbi
Walpin
published this in the book which was
called um a path through the ashes and
it's a wonderful book forget about this
I mean it's the but it's also rag gift
is in there and many many other
wonderful gdali Israel so so the rasha's
piece is not separated from the um
khazara it becomes footnotes so that
that and the rasha proved that that that
d and he looked it over and he he gave
his approval and and he gave me a big
I just want to tell you one little
vignette. So he wanted to pay me back.
So he called me in and and he liked the
whole thing. He
said, and I started to babble because I
I I I I didn't, you
know, so he told me um a mimer basically
for myself which I don't think he ever
said publicly in appreciation for your
efforts. Right. Right. That was his
payment, so to speak. That was a payment
and I've used it many times. A private
mimer to private mimer on what topic? Um
the topic was in parl. So it says it
says in parl I'm just tell you the
vignette the the basics in parl it says
um uh well it's really on and it comes
from reviews many things in so when it
comes to it
says that means that the punishment for
the moragum was basically golus he said
it doesn't say any place in so he had
ahat he had a mahal he told it to me and
to my knowledge he's never said it
publicly because it was my gift but then
when I was finished I asked him can can
I say it over he
said it was so amazing because he
understood that I'm going to need it in
raises and and because it's it's a very
beautiful of course so that piece that
that the Rashiva told you privately did
not appear in any of the I don't think
it's any place wow to my knowledge and
To's knowledge, how many other people in
the world were to get a private mime
with Rahutner? I I really don't know,
but I was and and I
I cried
I cried tears of sim. Wow.
That that I was to this.
It's definitely a reflection of the aava
besides the appreciation but the aava
that the Rashiva had for you was
obviously extraordinary and you were too
spent so many hours with him you know
oneonone getting a glimpse of the rasha
that many people maybe were not too and
that's a segue to something that I
wanted to ask you if if it's okay sure
please people talk about the
rasha with a certain mysterious nature a
mystique there was a mystique people who
knew Rav Hutner all talk about it but
the to see what we'll call a human side
of of Rav Hutner if you don't mind
spending a moment talking about that and
maybe even a story or two that really
reflects uh that persona of Rav Hutner
that maybe wasn't as publicly recognized
well there there are there are numerous
stories um I I
personal
uh personal experiences with him where
where he he shed the the the mystique
the mystical persona and it was just um
guiding me through my personal life. Um
he he knew that both of my parents had
been nifter before he passed away before
he was nifter. So, so he knew that I was
a Yasum and and which which I will not
go into all of that right now for many
reasons, but but but he um acknowledged
my my Yasmos and spoke about what it
means to be a Yasum and how to overcome
the um uh the the the down the downsides
of Yas of Yasmos and how to turn it
around. And I'll never forget later I I
heard that this was one of his I
wouldn't say the word mantra to to apply
to the rashiva but one of his his themes
one of his light motifs
was so I think we're in art school I
have to be very careful but he
translated different than art scroll
because that's not the so the usual
translation
of is that that despite the fact that
sadic fell down seven times he'll get
And the told
me once you've fallen and you did get
up, you're better than before. And and
he told me that in in in in very
personal ways that I I don't want to say
it's nas it was pas and it was it
was but maybe there was a kaidish there
because he told me things that I've used
since four decades ago. He told me this
and I continued to use it and he he told
me once something I didn't understand.
He
says more in the beginning.
So I I I I probably let's let's let's
talk more but
his would you say that's consistent with
the gor of
that they reach a place that absolutely
that was consistent with that that that
message. Absolutely. Absolutely. And and
one of one of the things that I've heard
from many other people but I certainly
saw in my lifetime was that he had the
ability to pick people up and he said
that's because because he experienced
this. So there's something in the
zikarim the rabbits and David wrote over
which is so extraordinary. It's just a
line or two maybe not even two lines one
and a half lines. He said that when he
got up from Shiva, I believe for the
rabbits in
Allah. So he came out and there was a
tree that it was springtime that had
just blossomed. He
said he said that that was sent for him
to bring him out of his his almost and I
think he said the word depression even
but certainly his aus and it was put
there for me. Wow. And that was one of
the lessons that I learned from him is
that in life we we are sent messages by
the rabbi and we have to know how to
figure them out which which by the way I
I I think is in the blueprints a lot you
know things that I got from the kind
well the rashiva is quoted in the book
no less than what 25 times something
like that writings and thoughts permeate
all your writings so that's not a
surprise at all. Um, has the RV ever
considered doing a work solely on Raud's
Tory and his outlook and Ashkafa?
Anything of that sort? I have and every
time I start to do it, my hand trembles.
Thank God I don't have tremors, but I
have tremors every time I think about
doing it. I have talked to various of
the in Berlin and they have encouraged
me to do it. Uh, as they encouraged me
to do this book and the rashins and
encouraged me very much. But I I don't
know this yard site, we talked about
this before a little bit, is the 40th
yard site coming up in Kisl Kisl, the
40th yard site of I wrote about him on
the 30th and now I've been asked to
write about him on the 40th and I I
don't know if I'm any smarter than I was
10 years ago, but uh but maybe maybe
maybe around around now maybe I'll I'll
consider it a little bit more. before
when we were speaking privately the
revoluted to a story about the Rashiva's
hat. Yes. Will you take a moment to
share that with our viewers? Tell the
story. All right. So I was a a young
bucker. I was not yet married and um I I
discuss of driving the rasha around a
little bit. So I drove him to a a bris
and when we got out of the car he gave
him a
hat. Carry his hat. Fine. No problem.
later on I won't say who right now but
one of also the
um I told him the story he
said so let me just explain what that
means now you have become asha because
held and he writes it in a number of my
murmur and sh and other places in
various letters in the igris that a
talmid it's not enough at all to learn
from the rebi the the if you'll you'll
permit me I'll tell you a tremendous
shot that that he said and um I still
don't understand it but I I say it over.
So he said it's a it's a
paramei was going to go up to so Alicia
was chasing him and Alicia
wanted a little bit more from the reb so
so told told
him so he he he said something very
cryptic very enigmatic that doesn't seem
to make sense go what have I ever done
for do what kind of a thing is that to
say to your Talmud and he had done a lot
for him. So the Rashiva said you see
that the relationship between a Rebi and
a Talmud has nothing to do with quit
proquo. It's not what you give. It's not
what you've taught. It's essential and
it's
elemental. And I it took me a while to
pick that up and I I hope that I did
among other things because Rhiva told me
this part privately also. And what he
meant was that the relationship has to
be one of Hano. And just to go back to
the the uh question that you had asked
me about um going with the rasha and
being with the rashiva, the rashiva
wanted people to enjoy him. I I'll tell
you just a line. I used it in in the
garra the other day in and dy the last
some of the last gumaras are about in
Shabas. We just finished Shabas are
about masped. He hated his spamm. He
hated them with a passion. He felt that
they were very often false, overblown.
He said that it's not good for the
masid. It's not good for the the the the
the person that was nif. So I didn't
hear this myself, but I heard it
secondhand from somebody I trust. So uh
he was at a leva and the uh the the the
maspid the person that was speaking he
he waxed very eloquent but he forgot
about the nifa and he was saying gumaras
and madrashim and beautiful stuff. So
dshiva in something of a stage whisperer
which knowing how smart the rashiva was
knew would be heard by other people. So
he muttered to
himself, you're not allowed to benefit
from the corpse. So so he was very very
tough about those things. Did you find
that the rashiva was tempered in his
praise even of let's say his rebi let's
say alteratka or others or was this just
uh something that he felt about?
Absolutely. He wrote about the altar and
and if if one reads it these days you
can see that um for instance he he wrote
to his parents a beautiful moving letter
about the altar but he said what I
mentioned before
about he didn't say at that time he said
after the rebi is nifty brought all
sorts of ras as a very young man he
wrote this that after the petira there's
an opening of the tsino there's an
opening of the shamayan and the rebi is
ble to infiltrate you so to speak and
and and get into your heart and get into
your soul and he said that happened to
him so that after the altar was nifa he
now understood things that he never
understood and he explained some things
at that time and over the years many
many times but he never mentions the
altar in in I don't think maybe maybe
once maybe once gdolum from previous we
saw salante mentions by name mentions
very very few by name I think because he
was very careful about all these
golum not to overdo not to underdo just
he called it to be exact on a personal
level you've been in Rabonus now for
decades you've seen you've been witness
to the change of the world you've been
witnessed to the growth here we're
sitting at art scroll the growth of art
scroll in terms of haba satra that we've
all benefited from what do you see the
major difference in being a RV today
anaman and having been a magucher rebby
today from even just uh 20 30 years ago.
That's an excellent wonderful question
and I I I I can only speak for myself. I
I I don't speak I used to be involved
with Rabonham you know training younger
Rabonam and and things like that but I I
haven't done that in a while so I don't
really know but but I I I can just tell
you my you know my sense of it and that
is that there was a time when Rabon
could get up and give Muser and that was
their job and in fact we find that many
of those that wrote about Rabonus over
the centuries and even millennia said
that we're like the Naveian of old and
you know there's a Yeshai He does this
and there's a we also have to do things
like that today. We have to be people
and through the and through the um the
and through the
the we help them they hopefully will
grow but the straight oldfashioned
powerful muser because the r is such an
eloquent speaker doesn't hold anymore.
The had a line on this by the way it's
very interesting. He said that um he he
lamented a little bit that there's no
more great speakers anymore. But he said
baz is so he he told me privately and he
mentioned he knew everything that went
on in the Jewish world. So he mentioned
two of the famous who did he mean by so
he meant the reform the reforming
ortors. He mentioned two of them to me.
I was shocked that he he knew who they
were but but he he had them right. He
understood them perfectly. So he said
that um there's a mahalik I I later
found it in reptic I think that's what
he was referring to that there's always
an equation between our enemies and
ourselves. So when there is uh um for
instance there's there's a mishra
there's going to be a bum and vice versa
and by the by the tanoyim so there were
the great great philosophers and and we
had
the but but each time that there's a
diminion we lose something also so so he
was talking about in in in Rabonus
that's not the point anymore to be the
godlad to be the god it's good it's very
important
But he told me Mudafashain mentioned and
he told me in an incredible line. I
believe it is printed someplace but he
told it to me. What did he mean hashtain
mentioned? That we have to understand
people. He said I'll tell I'll tell you
I'll tell you exactly what he said. He
said that
um mentioned there are people that learn
a cyer and there are people that learn
you know whatever it is learn ash that
means to understand a person and and his
understanding his we can call it
psychology but psychology of human
beings was incredible he just understood
people way beyond um any visible um uh
let's say psychosis or neurosis or or or
or symptoms. He he went down deep into
their and then did what was good for
them, what they needed. And so he
decided that there's um uh there's a a
story I mean I I think it's made the
rounds of the Kim Berlin group but I I
don't know if the rest of the world has
heard it where um there was somebody
that was planning to go into uh
Kyo and he pushed him
into and um and it turned out that he
had a very bad stutter and he didn't
think that he he could go into because
he could not articulate ate and and
Shiva very clandestinely and and and um
surreptitiously um got somebody to do
speech therapy with him without the
person knowing that he was getting
speech therapy and he they became a
crackerjack superstar rebby but he said
that in Ko and he w he wanted
desperately to go into kle learn for a
number of years like everybody else and
then but he said he would have gotten
lost and he would have been I think he
said the lion was
he would have been ruined for life and
knew what he needed got it for him and I
don't I guess by now the person found
out but that's amazing that Rahuna had
like his own rebi yes to channel the
talents and abilities of every talmud in
their individual way sending this one to
Rabonus this one to this one to etc etc
and that's something that we definitely
miss that uh to be able to direct
youngsters. And with that, I'll I'll
come to our closing question. I think we
could speak to the RA for hours. I know
I could. I'm enjoying talking to you. I
we could go on and on uh with about
Rahuda with stories. I'm sure there are
many we didn't get to. Maybe we'll have
to book the RA for another session. Be
my my honor. But just about Ravutnner.
Just about Rava. We appreciate you
making the effort to come down here. Me
out of the screen. But whether it's from
Rahutner, whether it's from Ra M
Weinberg, from Bing Rabonus, if there's
a message that you could give over to
those of a younger generation, and I'm
including those who are already married
with children, those who may have
married children of their own, maybe
brim, single girls growing up in a
tumultuous world. What guidance, what
piece of advice, what insight could you
offer to us having seen what you've
seen, having experienced what you've
experienced? It's a tall order. It's a
tall order, but it's a very good wise
question. I wish I had as wise an answer
as the question is, but um I would say
that um none of the people that I
learned from had easy lives. And Dasha
always this meaning raises always
bemoone the fact and this is in print
that when we write even art scroll
biographies sometimes skip the part that
um uh would illustrate and would uh help
the younger generation to know that
everybody goes through ups and downs.
So, so the um the line that the Rashiva
said was and I I've published this
myself but in the Rashiva's name that
the wrote his classic cafer to when he
was in his 20s I believe 25 27 something
very young so fast forward 70 50 years
now is in his 70s he's still writing so
you would say wow and if you're very
from oh look at that he was so brilliant
when he was 25 that when he's 75 he's
still writing great swarm No, he's so
much better at 75. It's an insult to say
to somebody the 50 years doesn't do
anything for you. The term, I think, is
heographies, right? That to where where
you're skipping over the portions of
growth and maybe even trial and
tribulation. And I think that's what the
right exactly. And he said this about
the I remember people didn't like it at
the time. He said this publicly by the
way in a mimer. He he alluded to this
that who knew what the's own struggles
were not to
speak how could you say such a thing no
on the contrary so that is a very big I
think to everybody that's struggling
because that struggling he said this so
many times struggling is a sign of life
no struggle is a sign of unfortunately
of death and destruction we appreciate
that we appreciate this book the book is
a masterpiece it's a blueprint for
aliyah, for growth, for
self-improvement. It's it's gives it
gives a person a good feel when it's
read. Each chapter is easy to read on
its own, which is also what makes the
book so
appealing. The book shuts out well. The
should
continued guiding people, influencing
people, raising them
up. Thank you again for joining us.
Amen. Thank you, Rabbi Hik Lamar.