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Hello everyone and welcome back to
Inside Art Scroll. Today we are joined
by a special guest, the voice of Jewish
radio, Nakam Seagull. How are you? A
pleasure. Nice to be here. Nice to be
here. I hope that introduction is okay.
That introduction was fine. Yeah. I'm
trying to channel my inner Nakam
Seagull. You know, I always wonder about
people who are introduced with he
there's no need for an introduction or
you know, everybody here knows him. Like
is that is that is that a compliment? Is
is he being cheated out of a good
introduction? I'm not so sure. But yours
was definitely fine. But I must have
missed the memo about the no tie. Uh
yeah, I don't know. just uh I I found
out I was discovered that the Arts Girl
atmosphere is a relatively casual one.
At least at least the Arts Girl studios,
so I figured I'd go with that and show
up Tylus. Well, we're happy to have you
here. Thank you. And I'd like to start
with Arts Scroll and your connection to
Arts Scroll. You've been speaking about
and promoting Arts Scroll for many
years. You're an avid Arts Scroll fan.
Talk about that and specifically how
Arts Girl has impacted you.
Um, it's funny you say this because a
couple of nights ago I was actually
thinking about this and um, aside from
the fact that Rabbi Sherman and I are
both Newark, New Jersey boys, so there's
that connection and Rab Sherman of
course has been instrumental in the
growth of art school over all these
decades. I remember as a kid um, not
that it's such a dramatic story, but I
think it's a poignant one. Uh when I was
a kid, my older brother was the rabbi of
a local nursing home and he would take
me uh every erra of Pesah to the nursing
home to run the seder with him and he of
course was the rabbi and I was the kid
who was supposed to sing all the songs
and that's what I did. Well, my uh my
older brother who who um is no longer
with us unfortunately was a was really a
quintessential older brother when it
came to certain things. And he always
made shade always made sure and he
always made sure to take care of us in a
variety of ways. And every time I would
go with him to this nursing home each
year, he would purchase for me as a gift
a new hagada. And there was the first
time it happened, there was a specific
Hagada everybody was talking about and I
wanted it and of course he got it. And
then I remember the second year I did it
with him. There was the brand new Hagada
from Art Scroll and that was the one
that again everybody was talking about
and was making an impact out there
already. Was that Rabbi Elias? I believe
so. Yes. And um he purchased it for me
as a gift for coming along you know to
do the the the Arab Pes with him. And I
just remember that. I remember that as a
kid that that there was a significant
art scroll publication that for me was
important that for me you know I
actually you know considered what would
I want and that that was that was the
gift. So an early memory of Arts Scroll
as a little kid.
Over the years, obviously you've watched
Art Scroll grow and seen the tremendous
expansion of Torah. And on your show,
you've interviewed many people. You've
promoted many projects. Any particular
art school project that to you was so
groundbreaking and so transformative and
you were kind of the conduit to bring
the news of that project to the public?
Yeah, I think the one that I remember
the most that fits into what you're
asking is the Arts Girl sitter. Um, it
was revolutionary not only that there
was a new sitter. We had been used to so
many other ones that had dominated the
the shelves in the synagogues for so
many years. When the arts girl sitter
came out, there were a lot of
innovations, a lot of interesting
commentary and uh in general it was a
discussion that I felt the entire Jewish
community could have. There was sparum
that only a certain segment of the
community could appreciate and people
who were learned enough to explore
certain things and there were other
things biographies and others that were
appealing to you know a specific crowd
or someone with a specific type of
background. The sitter comes out and all
of a sudden there's an art scroll
presentation art scroll product that is
completely absorbed by Jews across the
board of every religious stripe of every
background. And I remember the
discussion on the air. I believe it was
with Rabbi Sherman. Uh when the sitter
came out, there was such a uh there was
such enthusiasm and so much curiosity
about what was and wasn't included in
the sitter and what is in fact different
about it and who they turned to for, you
know, comments on each part of the
sitter. And it was a very um how do I
put it? It was it was one of those um it
was one of those items uh one of those
um uh topics in the Jewish community
that was really really hot at the time.
Uh, and I think that um that my show and
in general the ability and the um and
the fact that I was able to to bring
someone on to discuss it, you know,
really opened up the the discussion even
further and gave people an opportunity
to get answers to questions that were
curiosities for them and to um and and I
think in general discussions like that
help propel it to become the natural
next sitter. consider in most
synagogues. Um, and that I think is a is
a good example of that. Yeah, no
question. You've been an integral part
of bringing the arts school message to
the masses basically and uh arts school
definitely considers you a dear friend.
Well, I appreciate that and the people
at Arts School have been great friends
and there and there have been different
points in my career where art school
really has been a uh a driving force
behind some of the things we do. There
were uh there was a time when on a
regular basis uh we would bring in
authors to discuss their work and how
the you know how the book got to be the
final product that it is um and and
and that it became and the the um the
interesting thing to me about the
experience of interviewing art scroll
people and its authors about their
products books. The interesting thing to
me is always the more I don't want to
use the word obscure because I don't
know if that's fair, but books that that
if not for Arts Girl, they never would
have been published. Uh whether it's
books of photographs of certain things
or biographies that we would not be
familiar with the subject of biography
without them. Uh when those come out and
we have the ability to sit and discuss,
you know, the the procedure and the
process that went into making those,
that to me is very fascinating and
interesting. uh there are a lot of
publishers that over the years have
explored and have gone ahead with their
own Talmud with their own kumish not to
say art world scroll doesn't have its
uniqueness in those areas we know it
does but I think that when it comes to
some of the novels some of the
biographies some of the special projects
those are the ones that are really
fascinating to analyze well you have an
appreciation for history which I think
allows you to really delve into these
type of topics and appreciate the broad
treatment that they've been given
bioarchical. But speaking of history,
take us back and our viewers to your
history. You referenced Newark growing
up there like Rabbi Sherman did. You
would have soned a rabbi, Rabbi Zev
Seagull. Talk about your younger years
and how you were impacted by being
brought up in that millu. Uh well, I
think there's two points to this. The
first is that um even as a little kid
they they claim and some people actually
um say that they have recordings of this
uh that I always wanted to have a
microphone in front of me. There was
always whatever excuse I had to make
announcements or even give my own news
or sports report, you know, I went ahead
and did it. Even as a little kid, there
was always that radio track. And I've
always and I've always given credit to
my mother, frankly. Um I mean, I've
discussed this openly. uh when I went to
college she said to me you know there's
a radio station there at Diva University
I think it's something you would enjoy
that was the quote I think it's
something you would enjoy so the
insightful intuition of a mother uh
certainly helped propel me maybe I would
have discovered the radio station on my
own I don't know but certainly helped
propel me to something that I ended up
loving uh so there was always that radio
aspect and as a kid was in love with
radio frankly loved listening to it uh
analyzing it loved sports sports
broadcast are on radio, you know, the
old traditional transistor radio under
the pillow. That was me. The other
aspect is um I grew up in a house where
both my parents were very very
community-minded and when it came to my
mother, she was the rebbitson of the
community and took that role very
seriously. I remember when she was she
was officially the chaplain of the
sisterhood. You know, she was the
Rebbitson. And I remember the the
diligence that she uh that she undertook
and the time that she took to prepare
the invocation for the next sisterhood
meeting. She took every little aspect
and of course the larger aspects of the
job of that responsibility uh as the
represent of the community very
seriously. Uh my father was an
internationally known figure who had a
tremendous impact uh on both the
American rabbinet and the American
Jewish community. We talk about the Kiru
movement today. This was something that
he was involved with in the first part
of the 20th century. We talk about
Jewish camping and how important it is
in the education of our children. It's
something he was involved with in his in
his 20s in this
country. And uh and then of course he
made a tremendous impact in Israel. He
was one of the few people who were
religious leaders who was fluent in both
Hebrew and English and knew many of the
players from pre-state Palestine and uh
and was counted on and turned to by many
including Shereebas and nonorthodox
leaders who needed him to intervene on
their behalf or to bring a cause to the
four uh and to be involved to to most
people are familiar with his
relationship with Lababba which was uh
quite extensive. The satire was somebody
that he actually went on missions for
and delivered messages for to members of
the Israeli government. So, I think the
whole community-minded aspect of being
in a family like that when I go into
radio, there are a lot of things I could
have pursued. Obviously, the Shabas
situation doesn't allow for a lot of it
if I did want to pursue news, sports or
something like that. But I always felt
that, you know, with the background that
I had, the natural thing was to do
something that would be appreciated by
people in the Jewish community. Now,
growing up in Newark, you referenced
your older brother, Oliv. Many people
know your brother, Rabbi Nas Seagull.
Were you Was it just three? No, I'm the
fifth of six children. Oh, okay. The
third of four boys. Mhm. And um and we I
mean some of us I mean you talk about
our vice seagull and and others in the
family have worked also on behalf of
what we people would consider the clal
on behalf of the the Jewish public and
the Jewish community in many different
capacities. And um even when I was in
YU, even when I was in YU doing a simple
college radio show and there was a story
about how I gravitated toward, you know,
doing a Jewish show, but I ended up
doing a Jewish music show in Yeshiva
University. And even there, I felt that
the, you know, to make things as fun as
possible and as inspiring as possible
with the music and guests, even for the
few people relatively who were
listening, it was a small college campus
radio station. I felt that was important
and and really when I went to WFMU, my
first stop in the JM and the AM scene.
When I went there, I sort of took that
entire model of good fun college Jewish
radio with all the serious aspects of
Jewish news and, you know, things that
are important, Torah, Israel, etc., and
I brought it to the broader public. And,
you know, some of that still goes on
today after 37 years. You know, there's
still a there's still a free flowing uh
radio presentation that a lot of people
do consider fun, but there's a lot of
inspiration, a lot of Torah, a lot of
Zionism, a lot of news that's important
to the Jewish community, a lot of calls
to action. We have an audience that's
very very active. So, if we ask them or
suggest to them that senators and
congressmen have to be, you know, spoken
to or written to on certain issues, they
they hop on and do so. And frankly, we
have an active audience. We make a
recommendation that the latest biography
from Art Scroll is something that will
really enhance their Shabas table or
really enhance their family's experience
in general. It's something that they're
going to take very seriously and usually
listen to. I mean, I'm hearing from you
that it's not just about the
entertainment part of it. There's a holy
endeavor there. Yeah. It's about
bringing a message and and motivating
people, guiding people. You have a very
diverse audience from people who are
from who are from from birth, others who
maybe were introduced to Judaism later
on or through the show frankly or
through the show. Any specific stories?
People are shocked about that that and I
used to say this um years ago I would
say it very often that for some people
and I know this from listeners for some
people the Friday morning JM and the AM
right name of the show JM and the AM
Jewish moments in the morning. The
Friday morning JM was their shabas. And
they would say this to me that they had
no connection but but the music we were
playing and the discussions we were
having about the shabas the we have para
shu every sing on every week giving para
shu so this was their shabas this was
their they got their shabas sermon they
got their shabas they're listening to
all the music it may not qualify for
actual observance of shabas but imagine
that that you're giving somebody a
shabas with a Friday morning radio show.
So yeah, the the and I'll tell you a
couple other things that I think you'll
find interesting. There are a couple of
small nuanced uh acts uh nuanced um
segments that we introduced over the
years to the show that have
become in my opinion um very important
subconsciously
to the Jewish listener who's tuned in.
For instance, every morning at 7 a.m. we
play the Gal News from Israel. Now, the
majority of people in my audience are
not, especially the ones outside of
Israel, are not familiar with Hebrew and
certainly not enough to listen to a
newscast. Uh, it is four or five minutes
of radio, pretty valuable radio time.
So, why is Nah Stigle doing this? And
I'm doing it for one reason. Because
when they hear that newscast, they're
going to remember when they were in a
cab or on a bus in Israel. It's going to
take them to remember. It's going to
give them the ability to remember and
reminisce in their own minds about
what's going on in Israel. And and it's
possible that they'll actually even tune
in and, you know, to the news in a
little bit of a deeper fashion and
understand what the situation right now
is in Israel. Somebody now during COVID
who's hearing a news report, they may
pick up on what the latest is with the
co COVID cabinet and with the
restrictions that are going on there.
Um, so that's all done just to transport
people as radio has the ability to do to
transport listeners to Israel for that
moment. It's the reason why every
weather forecast that I give and it's
one of the most important things to wake
up and tell people what to expect
outside. Every single time I announce
the weather before I tell before I wrap
up the weather forecast by telling
people what the current temperature is
in New York, I will tell them what the
temperature is in Yusel. because what's
more important to us than what's going
on in your shell and even the weather.
So, I think those attitudes, those
subliminal and sometimes direct um uh
additions to a show like mine uh are
really key and important in getting the
listener to focus on what I think is an
important thing to focus on. Now, music
is a major major part of your program,
the basic staple. In fact, when I was
growing up and I would d my mother would
drive us to school and we would always
hear Rabbi Goldwer's dizz at 7:30,
right? And I heard of JM and I grew up
thinking it was Jewish music in the
morning. Well, it was a time. Was music
always a major major component? Going
back to your college days when you were
introduced to Jewish radio, was it
always a major part of your program and
the other things came later
supplementing what the music provided?
Yeah. I mean, I would say that uh from
the beginning, Jewish music has been the
basic staple of the show. It's what
holds the show together. I don't think
people realize, I don't think radio
people realize that, especially as the
week goes on, how important music is in
the Jewish world and in the Jewish mind.
Frankly, there are people who can make
it through their day if they don't hear
Jewish music on a Monday, Tuesday,
Wednesday. As Thursday and Friday and
Shabas begins to get into everyone's
head, it is very common that people who
don't dominate their entertainment or
their casual listening with Jewish
music, all of a sudden they're going to
turn on a kumzitz. They're going to turn
on some Arab Shab selections. They're
going to have, you know, some schlavoc
music going. That's the way it is. I
know for my own kids that the Jewish
music was much more prevalent in the
latter part of the week than the
beginning part of the week. So, so music
is a really important part. It's not
just there programmatically to keep the
show flowing and together. It's there
because Jewish music has a tremendous
positive effect on people. And we know
the type of negative effect media can
have. Radio, TV, internet, media can
have on anybody. So imagine if there's
something positive out there, really
good positive messages in both Hebrew
and English that are being transmitted
musically, how important that is for
everyone's development. So music's
always been important, but from the very
beginning, even in my old college days,
I always felt that there's there's too
much happening in the Jewish world to
ignore. There's too many people that
need to be introduced to the Jewish
public. So that that part of our
programming till today is really vital,
really important. So, Jewish
organizations and government officials
who want to address the Jewish community
and Jewish music stars that people like
to hear from and other role models and
heroes in the Jewish world, whether they
be in Israel, the United States, or
anywhere around the world, uh, are
always going to be a very important part
of the programming. What year was it
that you made that transition from
college radio kind of just feeling your
way through your introduction to radio
and then take the plunge to go to WFMU
which was listener sponsored correct
radio which is also very unique kind of
an innovation talk about that transition
what period of time was that well that
was 1983 two years after I started
college radio um they they desperately
and it wasn't known as J&M at that point
but uh They up at Yeshiva University,
some of the administrators got a phone
call. Is there anybody there that could
possibly take over this Jewish show?
We're going to lose it. Nobody wants to
do it. It's going to die out. Is there
anybody who could do it? The person on
the other end of the phone up at Yish
University and I were very, very close.
Really, my mentor and uh said, "I'll
have someone for you in 20 minutes." And
they were like, "What?" And sure enough
that day which was
ervashana
1983 by the end of the day I was hired
so to speak showed up at the radio
station the next morning er of
Russashana that Wednesday morning and it
was actually on the air for the last
half of the show that morning. Yeah. And
I've been on every every morning ever
since. We stayed at WFMU until the end
of 2016 then used JM to establish our
own independent
network. And um it's funny you ask about
the transition from college radio
because some people would argue I'm
still doing a college radio show and in
some ways frankly the way things went
this morning they may be right but so a
lot of that element is still there but
obviously in terms of the
professionalism and incorporating a lot
more serious discussions that's changed
over the years but you your voice and
your personality have become synonymous
with Jewish culture over the last 40
years I would say. I hope so. And you've
also watched the growth and expansion of
the Jewish music industry which I'll
touch on just for a moment. Morban David
Afreed, you were there 1983. Those are
the early 80s. That's when they really
were coming out on the scene. Late 70s,
early 80s. Talk about watching the
explosion of the Jewish music industry,
which you were kind of on the sidelines
reporting it as it was growing. Now
obviously the world has exploded, the
from community has exploded. Talk about
watching that from the sidelines and
being the reporter so to speak. It's
interesting because first of all it's a
numbers game out there as you know. I
mean in the world of publishing it's
also a numbers game. And um there was a
certain limit I guess we could say of
people who had an interest in Jewish
music 50s 60s7s etc.
um as the Jewish community grew and as
the world became smaller because I mean
I'm obviously I'm referring more to the
internet era but even before that it did
condense somewhat in terms of activity
between Israel and the United States and
other parts of the world as the world
became smaller all of a sudden there was
a a greater international interest right
so concerts that were few and far
between in this country all of a sudden
started getting not only uh not only
were there more concerts here uh and
live presentations But all of a sudden,
other countries were bringing in
performers from different places to do
their own local events. That that I
think was the is a good way to describe
the concert scene. In terms of the
interest in Jewish music,
um number one, I think we were helped
tremendously by general media. I think
that uh parents and children alike,
maybe older children, realized that that
as much as general media had some things
that you know to offer that may be okay
or maybe parv uh the majority of what
they were offering was not for a good
Jewish family or not for one that had
you know strong family values. Let's put
it that way. So I think that both
generations parents and children uh made
an attempt to incorporate more of the
Jewish music into their lives. A lot
more became available, right? right?
There were more artists and more
performers. A lot more became available.
Uh, and I think there was one other
element which I'll I'll take great pride
in. You you mentioned in your question
about having a a sideline view of all
this, which of course I did as I'm
watching everything grow and more and
more performers come onto the scene.
But, uh, there was a there was a
wonderful woman uh, Mrs. Newman who was
the principal of Buria High
School and she once said to me she said
we were talking about the show and she
took tremendous pride in the growth of
the show especially visav Jewish
education and Israel she felt the show
had tremendous uh influence in those two
areas. You mentioned listening to it in
a carpool. You know, it became a show
that was, you know, that everybody could
listen to in a carpool. You know,
especially as news stations started
reporting stuff that you didn't want
your kids necessarily to be waking up to
on a daily basis. And she said, "What
what you did, she says in reference to
me, what you did is one thing. You made
it cool for high school students to
listen to Jewish music." Now, if that's
the case that because either I was young
or had the personality that you're
alluding to or just was caught in a wave
of tremendous, you know, Jewish music
that was coming out at the time that was
really starting to influence Jewish
families, whatever it is, I take great
pride in that, that the show had a lot
to do with showing people that Jewish
music is not just for grandfathers and
grandmothers anymore. And it's not just,
you know, 70 and 80 year olds who are
enjoying, you know, the alter the alter
music, you know, from from the uh from
the old days, but it's people who are
who are fascinated by the contemporary
selections and who want to hear and want
to be inspired by what's being offered
now. And I think that was a big piece of
what JM and the AM and all of our
efforts uh ended up accomplishing. Most
people know that you're a Jewish music
afficionado or something of that sort. I
don't know if I'd say that. But many
people don't know, which I didn't know
till recently, that you're a longtime
Kazan. You've you've been a Kazan for
the Yam for 37 years. 3 37 years. This
year was quite a challenge. I heard I
heard about it. Very large facility with
co and you relocated. Um but that's
interesting because not only are you
interested in music, but you're you're a
performer, so to speak. Um, and I'm sure
you've incorporated a lot of the music
you've heard into Davening Fed. Just
take a moment to talk about that role in
your life which is totally separate from
being a broadcaster and a radio
personality and an announcer at musical
events and things like that. It's a
whole different role. Yeah, it is a
different role and a much more serious
role frankly. Uh, and thank God I'm in a
shul where they really appreciate a
tibbor who can elevate them. Like they
they want to be elevated. They want the
experience of the high holidays to be
one that's enriching. Uh that's why
frankly so many people came to shul
thank god this year when a lot of people
you know in many communities you know
felt that it was safer to stay away but
people you know fought through that and
and they came to shul. Um but I think
that that whole
aspect of um being
a and somebody who can thank God enhance
the on
the is really the byproduct of being a
shul
family. I always say that half the time
I go to shul is because I watched my
father with 105 fever and 10 feet of
snow go to shul no matter what. As I
always say that half the time I go is
only because I saw and grew up with the
dedication that one must have to shul
and even if we are not as strong in
other aspects of Jewish life and I mean
I would like to hope that we are but one
thing I can say about our family now the
one that I lead with my wife is that
we're very very serious about shul in
fact I have a a rule that my kids call
the football rule which is if you would
sit at a football game in this weather
you are going to sh and unfortunately
for my boys they will sit in 10 inches
of snow at a football game so the
football rule always works against them
right I mean that's a joke of course but
I'm proud to be a father of sons and
daughters who are always in shul and
understand the importance of it and
hopefully they're going to give that to
their children so I think this whole
aspect of being a really starts with
just being enveloped by the synagogue I
love the synagogue and growing up I
loved leading services whether it was
from ankalanu or then eventually as a
bar mitzvah kabal shabas and mus and I
love doing it. So yes I am a kazen as
you put it or at a very important time
of the year but it is so enjoyable for
me and such an incredible feeling that I
you know the only thing I don't like
about the roy is that is at 12 midnight.
That's the other than that other that I
love that one night of the year where
I'd rather go to sleep than head out to
Staten Island for sleep is the one night
I complain other than that Rashan Kipper
honestly are my favorite days of the
year. Now, it's interesting. Over the
years, your morning radio show was very
early, 6:00 to 9 every day, still is.
And that surely affected your daily
schedule, number one. And number two,
getting up that early, I don't know
about you, but my voice doesn't start
till around 10:11. I remember working on
a musical project about 20 years ago,
and I was in a studio. one of the other
fellows there who was singing. He told
me he went to a voice teacher who
trained some very very well-known
secular singers and those singers would
not open their mouth till midday. You
couldn't get any and when he shared with
this uh voice teacher that in synagogues
in sh orthodox Jewish men are getting up
and doing doing shad at 8:30 on the top
of the lungs the guy couldn't believe
it. like goes against every grain of
what he trains his his uh students to
do. So talk about both of those things,
waking up very early in the morning as
it affects your family schedule and also
getting your voice going so early in the
morning when most people are not
interested in talking. Yeah. Uh on the
first part, by the way, there are now
guests of mine who've made a very good
move to alleviate this problem. Eton
Katz was on the air this week. He just
moved to Lion and he says to me now and
I'm on your show, it could be 2 o'clock
in the afternoon. I don't have to go and
try to sing at 7 o'clock in the morning
in your studio. So, there are people
with creative answers to this and
creative solutions. Um, but the early
morning think it's funny because I would
say it goes based on eras. The the early
era when I was still, you know,
finishing my teenage years and and in my
20s, it was very common for me to
oversleep and panic to set in uh and try
to get to the show, you know, in a
reasonable amount of time. And both my
mother of blessed memory uh you know
could could have told you those stories
and now my wife you know she should live
and be well could certainly tell you
plenty of those stories of the panic
that sets in when it's you know 6:20 in
the morning and I'm supposed to have
been in the radio station already 20
minutes early or even earlier than that.
Uh so the early morning uh hours are a
uh are a challenge and it's sometimes
funny to refer to 10 am as lunchtime and
and and often when people complain like
when my kids complain about getting up
at 6:30 in the morning I remind them
that my alarm now goes off at 3:59 which
is you know so that I always win I could
always win that contest of the you know
who's who's upset about getting up
earlier in the morning. I always win
that one. Um, but it's a, you know, th
those who don't know it, those who are,
uh, you know, night people or those who
really have difficulties in the morning
don't realize how incredible those early
morning hours are. How my voice sounds
the way it does at 6:00 a.m. I don't
know. I really don't know. And there are
mornings that, you know, it is a
challenge. Do you have a routine? A
coffee, a tea. I mean, I'll drink I'll
drink something. You drink something?
I'll drink something. And um you know
but but even on fast days you know it
seems like you know thank god thank god
I'm able to present and and you know you
know where my voice often um really uh
has a really t where things really take
a toll on my voice when when I'm in an
arena if I'm in a concert hall often
I'll find and some by the way I feel
myself doing it now frankly to an extent
if I'm overusing my voice projecting too
much shouting more than I should and not
really taking advantage of the
microphone like I forget sometimes that
I'm wearing a microphone. Um then then I
start to feel that the voice is going a
little bit, you know. Have you have you
taken voice training at all over the
years? It's funny in YU I actually took
um a voice training with an with a
legendary expert and honestly I was
never there are a couple of things I did
and there are a couple things I've been
able to implement especially being a
kazin I was able to implement but the
majority of the breathing exercises and
the and that whole routine which I wish
I would have been taught as a teenager
because you know you just get things
used to doing things certain way right
and and I I never really cpped all of
that but there are a couple couple of
aspects uh from those lessons and from
that uh and from those courses that have
stuck with me over the years. I I also
there there are there are a couple of
subtle things that people don't realize
are very very helpful um that really
speak to somebody who's a radio
announcer. For instance, I was taught
again almost by accident, but there's
nothing, you know, we don't consider
anything an accident. I had a speech
teacher uh in YU because there was no
radio department at YU, but I had a
speech teacher in YU who actually gave a
specialty elective in radio. And
honestly, not that now that I look back,
she wasn't an expert in radio, but there
were a couple of things that she taught
us that were so valuable to us. One of
them is how to read while you're still
saying words from a previous sentence.
So when I whenever and I mean this this
I practiced and did incorporate for the
last you know almost four decades when
I'm saying something on the air the
likelihood is that as I'm saying it I am
reading something else and boy does it
help a presentation and boy does it help
a presentation go smoothly you know to
flow better. You're already preparing
for the next thing that you're I mean
it's all happening in a split second but
literally as you're hearing me say what
I'm saying I am looking at and
previewing the next sentence. very
valuable by the way on stage especially
when you write not to give away all the
secrets but when you're writing last
minute notes backstage because you were
just told that this guy's coming out and
so if if you have that practice down pat
so you can go to those scribbly notes
while you're still speaking on stage and
making that announcement and process it
in time for it to seem like it's really
you know flowing well. Let's put it that
way. One of my favorite segments on your
show that you've done over the years is
the top song of all time. Very much in
the bed. AB's Val is the perennial
winner, right?
What? Talk about that experience and
talk about your own personal musical
favorite songs that when you hear just
open up the, you know, tug at the
heartstrings, open up your feelings.
Talk about that. The music you connect
to. Uh, okay. Okay. So, we'll stick with
Vegas only because I don't want to get
into trouble with any contemporary
artists. So, but and you can't go wrong
with ABN. You can't go wrong. And if you
want an instant kumzit, put on Vegas,
too. And you have an instant kumitz in
your house. Like, you know, um it's like
my kids now with eight time Cats live in
your life. You want to be in a concert,
put on the thing, and you know, start
getting dressed for Shabas, right?
Um so, I mean, I don't know if I would
actually discuss favorites. So I mean
there are a lot of songs that are like
you say you know touch the heart and are
and are meaningful. What was the first
part of your question? There was I
wanted to answer. I was I was asking
regarding the the not a contest but the
idea of people voting right for their
favorite song. Right. So one thing I'll
tell you is that when you're the one
running the contest there's no chainery
going on but there are strong
suggestions going on. You know, for
instance, we did one of our usual
contests and I essentially said for
about five weeks that you shall Zahav
cannot be embarrassed by not winning
this contest and my listeners were kind
enough to actually make sure it pushed
through.
Exactly. I think in subsequent years AB
Shalai made it, but the first time we
did it, I said no. I mean, come on. You
know, any of us who grew up in a Jewish
home, no matter what our background, we
have no choice but to vote for that one.
Um, but look, the thing about the
contest and the thing about these, you
know, music countdowns or is that it's
all again about taking something that's,
you know, helping to inspire people and
helping to and making it fun. That's
exactly it. And, you know, people get
focused on it and and it it drives up
the ratings and people want to hear the
countdown and uh, you know, it's why
radio stations have Thanksgiving weekend
countdowns or Memorial Day weekend
countdowns. know, it's all we want to
see where our favorite songs end up.
It's funny you're mentioning this
because we're actually just now talking
about something we may introduce next
week to do a quick type of countdown
with with with another network that's
counting down uh songs. So, this is
always on the table. It's always
something that we're considering. Uh but
in radio, stunts are very important and
all these stunts I believe just increase
the awareness of what we do and increase
the awareness of the things we promote.
And frankly, as opposed to a lot of
other media sources, we're promoting
stuff that's really good for the Jewish
people. Which leads me to the next
question. We know that you play a lot of
the new music, but every once in a
while, you'll throw in a vintage song,
an old Miami, an old regular song, and
sometimes you think to yourself like,
where did that come from? So, how do you
determine what you're playing at any
given time? Is there a sader to it, or
is it just arbitrary? Well, it's funny
because someone once said, "Whatever
mood I'm in, that's the mood the Jewish
community wakes up in." So, assuming
that's true sometimes. Well, we always
wake up to the
regggishi by Brazil. That's an
untouchable which right and which the
overwhelming majority of people are
happy we start with that song. It may
not be their favorite modani, but
obviously the words, you know, make up
for it and for some people it's really a
tremendous way to wake up. Um, I I would
say that the um I lost my train of
thought. What was the I would Oh, yes. I
would say that the the So, so whatever
mood I'm in, if I am in literally in the
mood to hear an oldie or to, you know,
take something off the back shelf that
hasn't been on for a while, I'm going to
do it. And it's I I can't describe why
the mood overcomes me like that. Maybe
there's an upcoming YTIF or words from
McGill that we're about to read or
something that that triggers it. But
sometimes I just I like taking advantage
of the fact that I can do whatever I
want and in a free form manner
everything fits in. Everything's part of
the format. So that's how that works in
sometimes. Now one of the my favorite
parts of the show also, I'm sure many
others is when you do an interview.
You're a master interviewer and I want
to talk about that. It's a little ironic
we're doing an interview. I'm a little
intimidated. We're interviewing about
interviewing. I'm a little intimidated.
But what in your mind makes a good
interview? What makes the interview
interviewer good? You said you studied
radio, television, how people do
interviews. What makes a good
interviewer and what makes a good
interviewee? Well, I think there are
different good interviewers and good
interviewees. I think that uh if you get
that if you're sitting with
someone who's, you know, who connects
well, who has good chemistry with a
guest, then you know it's a big home
run. you're not always going to have a
home run no matter how good the
interviewer and or interviewe are. Um I
think when it comes to interview were
from my perspective it's about
curiosity. You need to have a level of
curiosity that's usually somewhat off
the charts. And I say it like that
because there's a level of curiosity
that human beings in general have. But
to get to that next step, to delve even
further, to ask someone a further
question, I think is is really
important. When a listener says to me, I
was thinking of that question and you
asked it, that tells me that I was in
tune with those who had the same
curiosity that I had. Uh listening is
very important. Really important. Um, I
mean, the only way to do a really good
interview is to listen to every single
word the guest is saying, which is
challenging sometimes when you're
distracted by anything going on in the
studio on the computer or the equipment
or anything else. Um, sometimes the
clock itself as you're looking at the
clock and knowing this has to end soon,
you know, it can be distracting. Uh,
also I think sometimes less is more. Uh,
people who think that a 35minut
interview is better than a 25-minute
interview usually have 10 minutes worth
of why on earth did I do that? Are you
hinting something here or no? This is
fine. But interesting Miriam Wallik,
you're a manager and you're Makanister,
correct? Everyone has Makister first.
When we spoke before your interview, she
told me, you know, Nakam loves to do
interviews knowing nothing. The less you
know about the person, the more I guess
natural the questions come and the more
the curiosity come. I mean, I think
knowing her and and uh I she probably
put it a drop differently. The way I
would say the way I would say it is it
doesn't bother me to know a lot about
the person. That doesn't bother me. In
fact, I've gotten to a point where in
the old days I did not read guests books
and now I read guests books because I'm
in a different space when it comes to
how I interview and now it's better for
me to have that information. But what I
will say, and I think what she meant is
that I want zero communication, either
in person or even on video with a guest
before that interview starts. It's got
to be a blank page. I know why you're
here. I know you're here to promote this
or to discuss this or to announce this
or to analyze this. I know why you're
here, but I don't want to know anything
further about what you think of all
this. I've read that you went to college
here and you've been here and you have a
family. You know, I there's a way these
days to research easily, but when it
comes to you walking into my studio, you
are a blank sheet of paper. She did tell
me that today. There you go. When we sit
down, if Nahim ignores you, Correct.
before the mics go on, don't take her
personally. Correct. I And by the way,
that's a practical piece of advice also
because she knows that if I that if if I
don't have those instructions or if you
don't have those instructions, I will
start to smoo and the best part of the
interview will be done before the
interview's on the air. So, it's it's
just a good practical piece of advice.
Definitely a practical thing. But I have
to add one thing if I may. I don't know
what our time constraint. Yeah, we're
good. We're good. I you asked about the
what makes a good interviewer and I will
never forget the great interviewer who
some of you out there in in in arts land
may have heard of, others may not. You
could Google it. Larry King used to say
the following. They they asked him a
question. What is the difference between
you and Ted Cppel? Now, just to give
perspective for those who are not from
that generation, Larry King was a sit
down one-hour ask anything I want. I
believe never really read the guest
books if I'm not mistaken type of
interviewer. Ted CPP was a investigative
journalist, wants the hard facts and I'm
going to ask you the uncomfortable
questions until you answer them type of
person. So, they said to Larry King,
"What's the difference between you and
Ted CPP? You're both interviewing people
on a nightly basis and at that time they
were dominating television.
and he said, "Let's say there's a fire,
right? Building a building is burning
down. There's a
fire." So Ted Cppel would run over to
the fire chief who's standing outside
the building supervising this rescue
effort and would say, "How'd the fire
start? Is it under control?" I would
walk over to the fireman, Larry King
says, and say, "What made you want to
become a fireman?"
And I think that the combination of
those two, sometimes I'm more Larry
King, sometimes I'm more Ted CPP, but
the Larry King method is much more
endearing and usually is, you know, for
our purposes, meaning that with the
format of my show the way it is is
usually the type of approach that's
better for my audience. But you also
want your guests to feel comfortable
enough that they don't feel like you're
going to ambush them with a question
that's going to make them feel
uncomfortable or caught off guard.
Correct. There's there's a balance there
between investigative right well there's
a lot of methods that one can use to do
that a lot of methods manipulation I
would never ask this question but
somebody suggested that maybe you you
know like there's ways to do that but we
try not to be too underhanded is there
any particular interview that you
remember from over the years that stands
out to you
look I've I've answered that question
before and um there are a variety of
answers that I've given in terms of top
interviews and responses that I've
gotten. Um, but but I think today,
especially, you know, for those who are
watching this, I think they realize
we're in the middle still, although
hopefully toward the end of this whole
CO 19 challenge. I think one of the
biggest
challenges of this era for American jury
has been our physical separation from
the land and state of Israel. to me. I
haven't been there since January. I get
it. I'm a big shot. I get to go a couple
of times a year and I'm not I'm not uh
taking that for granted. I know there
are plenty of people who haven't been
there in 20 years and I and I feel for
them as well. But it's it's hard. It's
difficult knowing that we cannot just do
what we normally do and that is
basically pick up whenever we want, go
to Israel for the length of time we want
and come back. And I think that that
physical separation has been very
difficult. With that in mind, the
interviews and the experience that we
have every summer until this one of
doing a radio show from the Nephesh
Benesh plane where we literally set up a
studio in business class of the charter
flight and we bring people from all over
the plane who have interesting stories.
A farmer from remember Nev is tracking
people from 30 35 states every trip. You
know, it's not just New Yorkers with the
with our typical background. And you
know, you hear about these people who
are now going to be serving as lone
soldiers in the Israeli army. People who
are dropping everything and have
decided, I've got to get with my family
to Israel now. Or I've made the decision
that if I don't move now, my kids are
going to get too old. I won't be able to
easily make this or as easily make this
move later on. Um or or anybody out
there, rabbis who have made aliyah,
Jewish music personalities, my own staff
members. We were on the plane when my
own staff member made aliyah from
Baltimore to b She which was amazing. So
we've done this every summer and to me
the only way to answer that question now
in the era that we're in is those shows
because number one it's exciting to do a
show from a plane. But number two, the
reaction that we get that we are
accompanying people on the ultimate
mission of ours, which is to move for
the entire Jewish people to move to
Israel, knowing that the future of the
Jewish people is in the state of Israel.
Now in 2020, that has to be my answer.
How about doing a show, think back to
over the past 40 years, probably the
most life-changing event was 911, right?
How about doing the show on the 12th?
Because the the 9/11 attacks happened
after your show ended that day. Well,
yeah. Right. Cutting and after. Right.
And um actually the during part was we
didn't know what was going on. We didn't
know what was going on. And I was
working at a radio station where the
window looked at the World Trade Center
and and and one and the uh the
bookkeeper from the radio station calls
me and said she says to me, "Are you
looking out the window? Do you know
what's going on?" And sure enough
afterwards I go to our parking lot and
I'm standing with a thousand other
people watching you know the second
plane hit and everything. But but the
point is 9/11 was a really delicate
situation for a million reasons, but for
me was not as serious or historic as one
might think because it it's one of the
only times, one of the few times that I
can recall in my career where it was
obvious based on reaction and anecdotes
that most people were not listening to
me that morning. M the entire world and
certainly anybody in the New York New
Jersey area were all tuned into the news
stations were all concerned with what
was going on and what were the
instructions were how New York and New
Jersey are going to work now for the
next 48 hours 72 hours two weeks 3 weeks
what's closed remember they closed all
the bridges and tunnels there was a lot
of practical information that you know
that needed to be shared and people were
tuned into rightfully so the news but
did you feel compelled to kind of the
next day and the week after as people
were still recovering and I'm thinking
back also to the Persian Gulf War and
different trying times. Did you feel
that you have to tailor your programming
and the music specifically to the times?
No question about it. In fact, in fact,
you have to remember that and and by the
way, just in reference to 911 for a
second, it was the first show I ever did
that started with Tahillan. It was the
first show that that you know together
we are this is how we're going to start
the broadcast. Uh but it's funny
because if one remembers that era and
I'm sure you remember there were so many
terror attacks in Israel, so many bus
bombings, so many shootings, driveby
shootings, stabbings, etc. So many
episodes that we we were always we as a
radio show and we as a community were
always looking to the news from Israel
in that era. 911 happens obviously you
know traumatic. You mentioned the
Persian Gulf War. Of course, all our
shows are tailored to that to whatever
the, you know, is affecting. Even now
when election season, many of our shows
are tailored to what everyone's talking
about in the United States. But what I
remember about 911, is that at 9:00 on
the 12th, which was a Wednesday, so I
remember specifically who was on the
air, um, the person on the air after me,
remember it was a Jewish show till 9:00
a.m. and then it was a regular free form
secular show. The person on the air
after walks into the studio and says to
me, "Tell me what to do. You've done a
million of these memorial shows, you
know, meeting because a million of these
disaster shows where, you know, you have
to reflect the mood and and the
collective Jewish pain of the Jewish
heart, the collective Jewish heart
that's feeling
all what advice can you give me? I'm
about to do my first, you know, America
was just attacked. I'm going to do my
first tragedy show." And I I said to
myself, "Wow, the irony." You know,
there were people that looked at what
happened at the World Trade Center and
part of a small part, but part of what
we were thinking was, okay, the people
in the United States are now going to
understand what people in Israel are
going through on a regular basis. But
this guy was opening my eyes up to the
fact some of our so much of our
programming has to do with tragedies
that are going on in the Jewish world.
And that's something I learned from the
911. We don't need an introduction to
that. Not at all. Unfortunately, many
people know you besides for your voice
on radio. you become of an announcer of
sorts at different events. What was the
first event where you were utilized in
that capacity? And were you prepared for
that? Because you you were always behind
the mic without people seeing you and
suddenly you're announcing at musical
events and things of that sort. Talk
about that part of your career. It's
funny because and this I will credit
Mish Rosenbomb. I'm sure you guys here
know him very well from Akoba Safer
Judeica and Woodburn. He was producing a
diaspora yeshiva band final appearance
concert tour on December 4th and
December 11th, 1983. First at Queens
College and then at Brooklyn College
with your begun Miami Boys Choir and a
bunch of other acts. This was the
farewell tour. Uh some might say first
of many, but the truth is that since
then we've had reunions of that. This
was the real farewell. And I'm sitting
with a friend of mine. We'll give him
credit as well as a Rabbi Azriel Cif in
a pizza shop on the Lower East Side of
Manhattan where I was visiting. I was
not a resident then of the Lower East
Side like I am today. And we were
sitting there and and Mais Rosenbound
was in this pizza shop and and Azriel
says to him, "Hey, this guy, you know,
Nakam Seagull here just started a radio
show, which I just started at WFMU a
month or two
before and you know, why don't you use
him as an MC for your concert?" What
actually prompted me to sign off and let
me be the MC of that concert? I have no
idea. But I found myself in Queens
College and Brooklyn College at the age
of 20 announcing what was to me the most
significant event in the history of
Jewish music because I am the biggest
and certainly the tallest I asked for a
fan out there. And I'll never forget
that night in Brooklyn College. They had
done an amazing set to wrap it up. Uvoa
Odim from Kalbath that went on for like
15 minutes. And a kid who today I today
today I guess is you know a full-fledged
adult comes over to me backstage with a
program from that night's event and he
has all six members of Diaspora's
autographs on that play bill and he says
to me would you autograph this for me
and I said to him you don't want me
ruining that you know 20-year-old you
know new on the seat and I I'll never
forget that that was I don't know what I
would say today frankly but uh you've
been you've done many shows since then I
have signed an autograph for two as
well.
Was there has there been any memorable
or not such memorable gaff or mistake or
error that you think back and kind of uh
wish that you could have done it again?
I am seen an event where the electricity
went out. Big challenge. I am seen an
event where someone had a heart attack
in the audience and you know essentially
that event came to an end because of
that. But you know that was a very
sensitive situation. I was at a HS
concert where um generally frankly we
don't like we I'll say collective we it
is a lot me but I think there are many
others involved I would agree we don't
like that stage turning into a happy
birthday to this one stage and messages
for this one stage unless absolutely
necessary or appropriate. So, anytime
we're asked to make an announcement
backstage by somebody and we're asked to
go out there and mention this, whatever
it might be, there's always a lot of
vetting and
hesitation. But a police captain was
backstage, plain closed police captain
at the HS concert one year and says,
"You must announce that this gentleman
is missing. And if anyone," it was
somebody with special needs. And if
anybody sees this person on the way out
of the concert, you know, or anywhere in
the vicinity. Now, not to be too
cynical, but I'm like, is this
announcement really going to make a
difference? We're in the middle of
Lincoln Center. He could be anywhere now
in Manhattan at this point having run
away. I make the announcement, which,
you know, obviously was the right thing
to do. And um minutes later, I'm
informed that a couple gets to their car
and sees a stranger sitting in their car
after the concert. And having heard the
announcement about this individual,
instead of calling the police right
away, it said called Hatsala and because
they wanted to deal it's a community
situation, maybe they could deal with it
without the police getting involved,
etc.
called Hatsala and of course Hatsala
called the police or whoever had to be
you know and they handled it and of
course it was that person and till this
day this member of the NYPD says you
know I facilitated saving this person
whatever I did or didn't do the answer
is that yes so a lot of interesting
things happen behind the scenes but
you're still not a big fan of the happy
birthday shout no I I mean there are
times I'll make an exception and
understand why an exception has to be
made but I do feel that certain stages
have to remain as dignified as possible
and that the audience appreciates it
when you keep it that way. Now, when you
get up to announce Lincoln Center or
these big venues, do you get nervous
anymore or are you you kind? Yeah, first
of all, I get nervous every morning.
Now, it's not, you know, butterflies in
the stomach nervous, but every time the
mic goes on, I am. Some may say excited,
some may say pumped. Use whatever word
you want. I call it nervous. I always
tell my kids if I wasn't nervous, I'd be
nervous. Um, backstage, I mean, you the
the aforementioned Miriam Wallik can
certainly attest to this. Uh, my wife
Stacy would spend an entire day just
telling you about this experience of
what it's like for me before a stage
performance. Um, yes, I I get very I was
nervous on the way here, frankly, and
express that that this was a but but
usually after the first sentence or two
is when things settle down. My first
announcement, you know, things settle
down. But I I always tell people, and I
say this about public speaking in
general, I've said this to school kids
who are pursuing, you know, to to hone
their skills in public speaking. If I
wasn't nervous, I'd be nervous. If
you're if you're not at all concerned,
if you're not at all, you know, hyped up
because of what you're about to
experience, I would be nervous. That's a
problem. I think so. I think so. I'm not
sure I'm 100% right. So, different
personalities and not everything works
for me and works for everybody else. But
I think that that's something to think
about. Now, after almost 40 years, you
clearly have not lost your passion.
You're still enjoying it because you're
saying you you got pumped up for your
show. Most shows People would say,
"You've done it for so long, it's kind
of repetitive, but you're still finding
a fresh appeal to what you do, right?
There are challenging mornings where I
would rather not be in the studio, but
those are, thank God, few and far
between that the old never worked a day
in my life and I get that. I have, you
know, I enjoy everything I do. I I don't
know how I could possibly be doing
anything else." and uh and the fact that
I mean now that the audience is
international and that you know just the
global reach you know you you say
something and there could be I don't
know a few thousand people listening to
it that moment and knowing that you know
by the end of the day another few
thousand or tens of thousands or
hundreds of depending on what the topic
is are going to hear it and be inspired
by it or incorporate into their lives or
pass it on to a friend.
One of the greatest feelings is when
people ask for links to certain shows or
to certain interviews because they want
to distribute it to their entire
WhatsApp list or email list. That's
amazing. But now that you're off radio
and fully online, is there a practical
difference in how you do your show or
preparation or execution? That's a good
question. Um, I would say that there
definitely is. Um, not all of it
consciously. Um, but the fact that it
that I know that it's an international
audience and that now equally people in
New York and New Jersey are trying to
understand my references just like, you
know, equally the rest of the world is
trying to understand it. That definitely
is a consideration. There are things
I'll I'll translate or or make sure
people understand. I'll if I introduce
an organization years ago, I would never
have to tell my audience, you know, I
could tell people what the name of the
organization is and their subtitle and
that would be enough. Now I might have
to explain more, you know, the impact
that they're having and what they're
doing in a specific part of the Jewish
world. So yeah, there's definitely
adjustments that have to be made. Now,
as we wrap it up, I want to ask you a
final thing. You referenced living on
the Lower East Side. You have the to
live near the Pisad Feinstein. Same
building. Same building. I didn't know
that. Yeah. Talk about that. I see all
the time when you guys come to visit.
Don't worry. But talk about that
experience of living on the lower east
side. Many people don't know that there
still is a Lower East Side.
They know they know it from Rabbi
Schmol's tapes. They didn't know it
still exists. There are still people
living there. Still a pickle store. Um,
talk about that experience and the fact
that you haven't moved from there. The
the reality is that I'm a rookie on the
Lower East Side. I'm only there 31
years. And honestly, if you ask anybody
if I'm a Lower East Sider, they'll, you
know, be allow me to maybe say that
because I haven't been there for 60 70
years and my family was not living there
before uh before I was. Uh, in fact, you
know, my wife is a real Lower East
Sider, you know, has lived there every
day of her life. Um, but it's it's a
very nice community. It's nice to be in
Manhattan, uh, and still be in a section
of the community that's more, you know,
it's it's a drop more quieter. You got
to be careful, live on the FDR Drive. No
such thing as real quiet. Um, the other
thing that's funny is that I mean you
mentioned Revit Feinstein who of course
is uh is incredible and has
a has such a positive influence on so
many families in the community. Uh, I
will also give a shout out to Rebbitson
Feinstein who has um who has also been
very
um kind with both her words and actions
to everybody uh on the Lower East Side.
and uh whenever you know she gives us or
my wife an opportunity to get involved
in a project or to or to you know just
be part of a a committee it's something
that uh you know is very meaningful. Um,
but my funniest story about all this is
that years ago they um they published a
story in one of the downtown newspapers
about Jewish Lower East Side. And it
said that among the well-known residents
of the Lower East Side, you know, of
yesterday year and of today, among the
well-known residents are the uh the
Torah giant Rabbi Mosha Feinstein, the
Yiddish actress Lillian Lux, and radio
announcer Nah Seagull. to which I
responded, this is the only time where
you will see the names and a seagull in
the same sentence.
Well, we want to thank you. Thanks for
coming down. Thank you for sharing your
memories of your youth, your experiences
in your industry in which you become
iconic and we want to bench you with
many more years of using your voice and
your influence to inspire, uplift, and
bring Jews closer to the heritage. I
appreciate that very much. and everybody
here at Art Scrolls should continue
doing so many wonderful things on behalf
of the global Jewish community. Thank
you. Pleasure.
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