If Your Hand Became Wet From A Wet Netilas Yadayim Cup Handle - Mishna Berura DH Siman162 Seif 4

Okay, good morning everyone. We're continuing we're middle of the moment you've all been waiting for. Is it a problem if your cup handles are wet? You haven't slept well in weeks. You're having nightmares about wet cut cup handles, right? Namely, of course, the mug. He really misses us. If you took the clea, you took the cle in your wet hand, meaning you washed your right hand and your right hand is what? The handle is after all when you pour the your hands become but the water becomes if you then hold it in your left hand. in to wash a second time on your right hand. So if you then pick up the cup with your left hand to pour a second time on your right hand. So now your left hand is and you're going to have to dry that hand. So again, let's see this carefully. You picked up the k with your moist hand, your wet hand, which is the right hand that you you first poured on it water from your left hand. So now now the right hand is contaminating the clay because the white hand the right hand has tame waters on it. the mayamar. Now if you then hold it in your left hand to pour again on the right hand so you got a problem. So let's think for a minute. You're picking up the clea with your right hand. Right now the clay is presumably dry. Nothing is happening to your hand. You're putting you're putting the clay let's say you pick you're putting the clea in your left hand. You pour it on your right hand. Okay. Your right hand is now tahar but the water on it is tame. Then you pick up the co the cle with your right hand. The water on your right hand is leaving contaminated water on the handle of the cle. If that's the case when your left hand touches that water the left hand is tummy. How exactly are you going to be maher the left hand from that contaminated water? You're going to have to dry it. What about the fact besides transferring water uh to the left hand, what about the fact that your right hand itself, it has tummy water on it. It's picking up the handle to pour on the left hand. Then when the left hand pours back on the right hand, so the right hand, they say the right hand is okay. The right hand is fine because the right hand had t water on it. And then you're pouring mayam from the left hand. The problem is with the left hand, the left hand has uh water that's tame from the right hand. How exactly do you get that off? Now if you have two handles let's say the cle has to like an cup has two handles the left hand is never coming into contact with from the right hand so it shouldn't be a problem if you have two handles which most nil cups do have two handles unless you're using a mug and there's only one handle most cups have two handles let's think let's say it does have two handles so you wash on the right hand. The right hand is tahar, but there's tummy water. The right hand now picks up the clay. There's now tummy water on the handle of the right handle. Fine. But there's also tummy water on the right hand itself. So what's the problem? So now you pour again. You remove all the tummy water from the right hand. I don't see there being any problem if you have two handles. the concern is when the cle has one handle. He says, we're talking about where there's one. Now, what's the here says you at one time on each hand or don't alternate. That's the don't alternate you. You're not There's no Indian to alternate anyway. We never we never found you need to alternate your hands. You do two on one hand, two on the other. So the are talking about a guy who is getting confused between the ti and vaser. So if he's alternating but if the guy would have uh got gotten his straight he never would have had a problem in the first case. So Lisa what about the following what about the following concern the guy who washed the before me let's say he did not use the raas he poured let's say water on his right hand let's say he didn't use the raas so isn't there may from yo's hands on the cup or or any of the 5,000 people who washed sid before me who maybe didn't do a good job. Are we worried about that? Is that a concern? Is that a reason to have nightmares about natil? There are people who they they go to sleep at night and within 10 minutes they see a ferocious Natim cup running after them. You know, it's uh maybe that's why people drive the cup. >> That's what I'm saying. You know, is that theash? Are we worried about You know, there are special therapists for nutil who have to deal with natil phobias. Is that a is that a legitimate phobia that the guy before me didn't wash properly? Ma, there's nim on the handle and there's no way to get it off unless you dry it. By the way, now if you say like we said yesterday, remember we saw from the that maybe when if you use the raas of water your hands don't become tame if you use the raas of water your hands are not susceptible for tama so you know that would mitigate this this fear Um okay that's that is the Mishna Burra look in number 38 in the dares the number 38 is what if you washed your first hand with raas and your hand touched the handle that has on it from before. The is that the hand doesn't become tame. Why? Once you finish washing your hands, it has a status. Your hand, it's considered shalo bishas natila. And it seems like this din that your hand will become from is only if in the middle of a meal somebody comes over to you and touches your hand with your hands are not only not by the way we never saw such a in all of our learning of the Mishaba that that your hands They're only susceptible to we never saw that. Nowhere did the Misha ever say such a thing. But now, so you know, you would think the guy who's drying the cup, he's so it should be helpful to tell him that if you poured on the first hand, that hand is not susceptible to you're already that's a I mean, I don't know where that that that's like a left field. No, he's saying that the washing that you're no longer bash because you washed already with he's not saying that water is not coming. >> I know but why? But you're first of all two things. Two things. I already washed my I'm in the middle of washing. I didn't wash my second hand yet. It's not bashila. And second of all, where did this come from that your hands only become bishas? We never we never saw such a thing. >> If one scratches their head, >> of course. Yeah. Right. >> What does that mean? >> So if you scratch your head, your tame because the the head is but the of which is like a metaphysical of that's what seems to be saying only. And once you did a re on one hand that hand closed book it's not anymore. Even though I'm middle of I didn't make a bra yet. And if you walk into a basic forest or into a bathroom in the middle of a stood up, which is metaphysical, >> that's a different kind of metaphysical. This is metaphysical of if you go into a bathroom, do you have to you don't have to wash without anyway? Okay. If it's a grimy, slimy, you know, old time say, okay, you wash until without a with a but that's not that's not that we're not you're not removing you're removing the affects your here. We're talking about the right that is saying I we never saw that before. It's only Yeah, you know, you have to learn this like spend learning. But that's Yeah, let's see that again in 38. Now, by the way, the Kazh doesn't say this in Kaz. It's randomly quoted in a safer I never heard of in a footnote. So, okay. In the name of the I have to say we have according to what we learned so far if we wash with raas you don't have to dry the you don't have to dry the cup I have not seen any notable piskim dry cups when they wash anybody here want chime in on that. Have you ever seen any renowned piskim dry their cup before? We also have not seen anywhere in the Mishna Bura that you should dry the cup unless now the mish is talking about drying your hand. What about the concern that I mentioned? What about what if the guy in front of me didn't wash until he died properly? So you say, "No, why why should you assume that? What is this going on? One second. Oh, this is going on the last the last comments on the in the he writes you should be careful. The handle should be completely dry when you wash one hand. And then when you touch with the hand that you already washed, Time out. I think this is also talking about when there's one handle. I think this is also talking about when there's one handle. So, let's let's get the concern. The Piska writes, "You should be careful. The handle should be completely dry because if the handle is wet, When you wash one hand, the water on the becomes. So let's say when the left hand pours on the right hand, how does the water on the cle become tame? Because then you're touching it with the right hand. And then when you wash again and you touch it with the hand that already washed, that hand becomes that the first time you touch it, it should be dry. They have a Then it's like you touch the water in the cle not at the time of we had earlier in that it doesn't passel the water where was that it doesn't pel the He's referring to the Rama. The Ram says in one who did not wash his hands and he touched the water. It doesn't become possible. I don't know if we picked up on that. The Ramos says in that someone who didn't wash his hands and he touched the It seems the reason for that is because it's see the Mishro didn't explain it there. We never saw we didn't see a logic there. If you turn back to Mhm. Now um so the the is saying it's it's from the that through this that hand you didn't wash with yet. It's the hand that you poured on first for that. It's considered and you have water from the first pouring which was less than So the shion is saying when the Mishnu says, look back in the words on the Mishnu, the case is you picked up the clay with a wet right hand that you originally poured on one time with the left hand. So now the becomes so says because now it's considered however in the case that the chart spoke out. Where you're touching where the hand that you already washed was completed that is not considered bashila. Look in note 40 a he brings that a a cle that was used for and you know that the hands handles are wet because other people touched it. Rabbi Yosh says that the sashak says that nowadays people don't know how to wash their hands. So you have to be concerned that the the handle is tame from people who don't know the halaka. So you should dry the handles and not only that you should dry the the faucet covers. So according to phobia But I don't know that the Mishna Bura would agree with that because the miss not sure. Okay, we'll uh we'll break here. We we have to revisit this guy off stopped.