If Moshe Got Permission Why Did He Need To Matir His Neder? The Lomdus of Nemukei Yosef & Maharal

Okay, quick idea on dafdalar on brings the opinion of rebel says of okay the garra says my time All the people who wanted to kill you have died. The Ran explains that Mosha swore he would not go back to Matim. And the reason he swore is because there were people there who wanted to kill him. So Hashem says the people wanted to kill you died. The people who wanted to kill you died. Sigar says what do you mean is and what hold? and hold is not an issue. Why? Because they didn't die. They only became poor. The question is the asks um poverty is also no poverty. Poverty is poverty is common. What's the what's the difference if it's common or uncommon? See, if it's uncommon, then you can't say that. Oh, if I would have known, I wouldn't have made the nether. Yeah, you would have cuz you wouldn't have expected it to happen. But if it's common then it's like a toss. Then you could say if I would have known I would have made the I would have made the nether. Fine. What are we discussing uh today? One simple question on the gar. So the re is ma's ne. So could somebody please tell me why Moshe went to askroy for rishus to go back? He swore to Isra that he is only going to leave with rishus. Okay. Very nice. But hashem was m the nether. So why did he this whole gmorra is trying to explain how could leave without permission. But he swore oh the answer is m his nether. Okay. But if m is ne so then why didn't misha go? Why did he ask for rashus? So looking and looking because this is the question. The only thing is there is no nuk in the back of the gar nor is it found anywhere. I finally found one old old print on. Let's put it up. Why did Or you could ask it the other way. Let's I think it's better the way it is better the way the muka asks it. Not why did he ask for rashus if the nether was anulled but why did he need to enol the nether the nether was I'm not going to leave without permission so he asked permission so if he asked permission to the he didn't make a nether in general he made another said go in peace You only swore for my honor that you're not going to go back. It's my honor that you go back. Says think only swore because of wanted him. didn't just swear to he swore because he wanted to swear because he had to run away. It doesn't doesn't say he swore but he wanted to implies a desire. So there are two things going on here. One is there was a that was imposed on him and one was he wanted to 's permission for the that Isra imposed on him, but he needed the of cuz he swore on his own. So even though he swore once, he swore twice. He swore because he wanted to, he swore to Israel. Presumably the sh that he swore because he wanted to he went to the sh that he swore swore to Isroy he got rashus still a little unclear what was the shva if the sha was I won't go there without your permission why in the world would he need the of he got permission There are two here. One that he swore to Yro and one that he swore on his own. That's very uh interesting. There two. >> What does it say anywhere in the Is it clear? That's what the muk is. If it would have just said that would imply made him swear but it says voy is a rat tarum trans implies a willing oath. So on the one hand yroy told him on the other hand he wanted to. So now he has to navigate both of these factors >> or two different >> it's oneva but it's bound he's bound doubly he's bound from his own valition and he's bound >> anywhere else do we find that >> do we find it >> I don't think we have that >> no it's a big kadosh >> it's you have a pes you take out whatever his if he knew your father would be upset would you have >> but that's when I swore to you but here again here Yisroy made him take the shuah so to you Yroy um I was I went to get your permission but I also did it on my own so for that I need a so it sounds like the fact that Isra made him swear So now I have to deal with you. You made me swear. I have to get your permission. The fact that I wanted to then I have to go to a I don't know. I was thinking the opposite. I was thinking let's say uh I swear to someone and I go to the is okay that's very nice. But now I'm not bound by the oath. But I don't have to keep my word. I don't have to keep my word. I could just I could just violate it cuz I went to the rabbi. The rabbi said, "Uh, I never that it's okay." So, okay, Mosa swore to Isra. So, now he has an oath that's binding him. So, he was m that. So, oh, but why is Moshe going to Israel to get permission? to that I would say because he still has to keep his word. He told him he wouldn't leave without permission. But then you but the way the muk asks it that still it doesn't really answer the question because if the oath was I'm not going to leave without your permission. So he got permission. Why does he have to m it? That's why then I understand if he's ma see I think what I think what I'm saying is correct if you're mid I still have to keep my word true but once I kept my word so then there's nothing binding anymore I went to you I didn't leave without permission so why do I have to so that is because I still swore on my own the moral as we're about to offers a different answer. Before we see his answer, I want to point out another thing which might help us understand what he's saying. There are two things. There's Mosha swore he's not um he's not going to go back to Mitsim. He also swear swore he's not going to leave Israel's house without permission. Are those the same thing? One is I'm not going back to Mitsim because they're hitmen in Mitim. Another thing is I'm not leaving with your daughters without your permission. Can Mosha go to North Korea? Well, if he gets permission from Israel, he could go to North Korea, but he still swore he's not going back to uh he could go to North Korea, but he can't go to Mitraim. Could he go back to Mitzim if he gets permission from Yroy? Yroy doesn't care, right? Yroy doesn't care if Moshe goes back to Mitsim as long as he gets permission. There are two things. Mosa is bound not to go to Egypt. He's also bound not to leave without Yes's permission. So let's say he gets Yes. Could he go back to Egypt? So as far as Yra is concerned, he could, but as far as Moses is concerned, he can't or could Mosha leave Yro's house and not go back to Mitzim? As far as the shoo is concerned, he could, but as far as Yo is concerned, he can't. So just because Mosha got Yes's permission, he just got his permission that he could take his wife. But that doesn't mean he could go back to Egypt. These are two distinct ideas. Let's see if we could based on that understand what the moral is saying. The mar says the asks that here it's mash that all he has to do is get permission and he doesn't need he needed In other words, which one was it? Did leave or did he need to m his nether armor was that he had to be m his nether and was no. So then why did he need says there were two reasons there was number one number one you're not leaving unless you swear because I don't want my daughter leaving my land to leave's house with he needed permission The second thing is he can't return to Egypt because they're hitman there. There's a to be by him and not to leave his domain. For that all he need is there is no there's no logic to say he swore to be he didn't say that he's not going to leave only with Why would need something that's not needed? So the Mar learns there are two distinct thing. One is they have an agreement that Musha is not going to leave Yro's house without permission. Number two he swore that when he leaves he will not go back to Mitsim. But he doesn't need Rashus to go back to Mitsim. Rashus is needed to leave Yoy's house. Returning to Mitsim is a shva. So there are two things. Mosa didn't swear that he's going to live in Midan. He swore he wouldn't leave Midan without permission. He also swore he's not going to go back to Mits. There are two number one is I will not that I'm going to live with you forever. I will not leave you without permission. That's the first number two is when I get permission, I won't go back to Egypt. So there are two stages here. One is I'm I'm not committing to be by you forever, but I won't leave without permission. Two is and when I do leave, I'm not going to Egypt. So regarding the first step and this answers the muk kasha question is yeah if misha got permission to leave then why does he need hatar nadarim the answer is he got permission to leave but he still swore he's not going to go to Egypt vice versa if he got hatar nadarim that that he could go to Egypt why does he have to ask permission the answer is because he still swore he won't leave without permission. So the hatra was to go to Egypt, the rishus was to leave Israel. They're two distinct stages, right? We got that clear. In other words, then creates this very innovative idea that the one shva had two parts to it. One is I swore to you and one is I swore to myself. So in terms of I swore to you, I got your permission. In terms of I swore to myself, I got hatara. That's the muk. Does Rabbi Manila Jr. like that? Do you hear that? I think so. Yeah. Um, but what about that? That's the muk says there's one, but there are two parts to it. There's my responsibility to myself that I relinquish with and my responsibility to you that I relinquish with rash. The marel says no. They're two totally different oaths here. Oath number one is I swore I won't leave without permission. I didn't swear I'm going to be with you forever. I swear I won't leave without permission. And I swore when I do leave I'm not going to Egypt. So Moshe got hat that he could go to Egypt. That doesn't allow him to leave without permission. So regarding permission, Moshe got permission. Regarding going to Egypt, he got hat. That's the difference between the moral and the and the muk is very is very startling to me that they're right that you like that there are two [snorts] in the one oath. The way the gory breaks it down, it's very logical. I'm very happy with the gor. I wasn't feeling well, but I just saying that over made me feel better. It's such crisp logic that it it brought the yash of it is so powerful. It engenders joy. That's >> so one question. Why why would Moshe need to make a that he's not going back to if people there going to kill him? He has no desire, no need or why does he need to make a no one's question to go back? >> Okay, good question. That happens to be a question on any way you learn the garum, right? the Mosha swore mean let's even in the Iran Mosha swore um that he's not going to go back to mitim and Hashem is mate why did Mosha swear he swore because they wanted to kill him right the says That's the only reason he swore. Let's see if this reads. For that you only need permission. There's no logic that he have he should have to stay with. Why would need him to swear something that's not needed? Now, why would Moshe have to swear not to go back? Or did Yes want him to swear not to go back? It sounds like maybe Isra wanted him to swear not to go back. He was afraid, you know, maybe Hashem would give him business to take care of over there or he would want to go back to his family. So Yester said, just swear to me straight up, you're not going back. That's how the moral deals with the kasha. He doesn't. Yeah. In other words, we we brought up an idea even before the moral that even after Moshe got a hat, he would still need rash cuz maybe he would still have to keep his word. But we asked the other way. But once he did get rash, why would he need a hat? that is that the answer to that is there's an Muk and the moral then Muk would say even though Misha got but still on his he still swore on his own so for that he needs hat and the Maraw would say yeah he got rash to leave Isra never has a to go back to okay Rabbi say that's what we got have a Great day cult of