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How to Adapt Before It's Too Late
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Businesses don't survive by staying the biggest — they survive by staying willing to change. In this episode, Mark Hirshberg shares lessons from decades of leading a family business through shifting markets, customers, and technology. What you'll learn: • How to spot the moment it's time to pivot — before you're forced to • Ways to challenge assumptions that no longer serve you • How to lead teams through uncertainty with confidence • Practical habits for staying relevant as industries evolve Perfect for anyone launching a career, building a business, or just trying to stay ahead of the curve.
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pet toys. Now, that's something I never
even thought about, but it seems like
Americans and just people around the
world are really into their pet toys.
Mark Hersburg realized that early on in
the game and built an incredible company
that does a hundred million dollar a
year of sales just on pet toys. Mark is
a fascinating guy, but how he got into
the pet space is even more fascinating.
Hear his story this week on Jewish Grit.
Welcome to Jewish Grit. This week we
have an amazing guest. It's a pleasure
to welcome Mark Hersburg to the podcast.
Mark is one of the, if not the largest,
one of the largest importers of,
interestingly enough, pet toys and has
uh built a global business doing that.
And we're super excited to talk to him
and to welcome him into our studio
today. Tell us a little bit about who
Mark Hersburg is. Talk to us a little
bit about your personal journey, where
you grew up, uh, your professional
journey, um, so that we know when we
hear the wisdom from you, who is
perveying that wisdom. It all goes back
to um my grandparents who came from
Germany um in the 1930s. They ended up
living in the basement of um somebody's
home that they knew because obviously
they came here penniless. And the
gentleman who home they were in, he was
in the belt business and he had a diecut
machine in his basement and he diecut
leather belts. My grandfather took the
scraps of the belts in the basement that
were on the floor and turned them into
dog toys because in the 1930s
um dogs only chewed on leather. In fact,
rawhide is what dogs chew on now became
popular in the 1950s almost 15 years
later. And when rawhide was introduced
to the market, it was called chewing gum
for dogs because it was a inexpensive
version of the leather. So my
grandfather got started in this industry
by taking leather scraps off the floor
and instead of putting them in the
trash, turning them into toys and
eventually selling them to pets pet
stores. So that is the introduction of
my family into the pet industry.
>> That's incredible because you take a
really bad situation, you can't even get
a regular apartment and you're thrown
scraps and you turn that into
opportunity.
>> Yeah. Well, that that was a lot of
foresight for them. Correct.
>> Okay. So then your father also.
>> So that was my mother's father. That was
my grandfather. I'm maternal. Um and
then it's also interesting um and this
conversation brings back these memories.
Um when my parents got married, my
mother was an only child because when
they left Germany, they can only have
one child and they were lucky to get
here. Um and my grandfather begged my
father to come into the business to help
him. My father was a tool and die maker
by trade. So my father worked for my
grandfather like 9 to5 then be went and
did tool and die making at nighttime 5
days a week and on the weekends and my
grandfather never knew he took the side
bar the side job because my grandfather
couldn't pay him enough to sustain my
dad.
>> That's remarkable.
Okay. And then where do you fit into
this whole narrative?
>> Okay. So that that's a little bit of the
history. So my dad then took over my
grandfather's company um which was a
family business. And by the time he took
it over, it was a successful business.
>> Yes. Everything's relative to success
for in the 1950s and60s. Yes. In fact,
that's the same time in those days, a
lot of the products were made in the
United States. Um, so really in the '
50s and60s is when they started to
import from China. Um, that's when the
doors opened. And my father would always
tell me he used to fly to China and he'd
have to make three stops on the way just
to get there to refuel where, you know,
we're a little spoiled. We go on and we,
you know, and 16 hours later we're down.
in those days it was probably easily 24
hours if not longer. So that was it. So
I would say that they were they were
pioneers of the industry. So my
grandfather and my father um had a
company um and I I did work there with
my older brother for about eight years
and then I decided um in about the mid1
1990s I wanted to do something on my
own. Um so when I I actually went off
and I started Multipet which is the
current company. So what what was
different about the company you started
and the company you left
>> back in the day and it still happens if
you go to China you go into trading
companies and trading companies have 500
items off the on the walls and you can
pick the item that you want to buy and
you you know and you say I'll take this
one I'll take that one and a a lot of
their competitors in the day were doing
the same thing. So when the products
came to the states, it really became a
price war because three or four
companies are importing um the same duck
for dogs, you know. So then do we sell
it for a dollar, dollar$ dollar$ dollar$
dollar$ dollar$ dollar$ dollar$ dollar$
dollar$ dollar$ dollar5 or you know a
dollar two and I identified that and I
decided that I wanted to bring elements
of the toy industry into the pet
industry which I had not seen. Again
we're going back in the mid1 1990s when
I started the company. I also wanted to
get unique designs that were not in the
industry. Uh, and I want to work with
designers because I didn't want to get
into a situation where competitors were
selling the same items so we could name
our price. Didn't mean that I was price
gouging. I just didn't want someone come
to me and say, "Hey, I can get this
product from Rabbi Landau for 5% less.
So, if you want the order, this is what
you have to do." And that does happen
all the time. It still happens today.
>> Now, did you end up was your new company
a competition to like your this previous
company, your family's company?
indirectly
you would say we're in the we were in
the same industry but we weren't really
competition because they were well
established and and they had a good
reputation and you know we were really
starting from scratch. The only time I
would say there was a conflict and this
is in my mind maybe if you spoke to them
you get a different answer is back in
the day if you went into um a
supermarket or a pharmacy they'd only
have a 4ft pet section so there's only
so many toys they're going to put in. So
I assume maybe if they took one of mine
and I don't think they would have
eliminated one of theirs but in that
respect
>> potentially it could be a
>> potentially but that I would not say we
were competitors.
>> We fast forward to today are both
companies still standing?
>> No unfortunately um that company closed
in they just shut their doors in 2016 so
about 10 years ago which I thought I
would never see.
>> What happened?
>> This is my opinion again. If you spoke
to them you get a different answer. I
don't think they changed enough with the
times. I'm not sure we changed with the
times too as well, but but I I think
they did. So that could be the first
lesson. You have to change with the
times. I think they they they still ran
that company and they were very
successful for a very long time. Yeah.
They didn't adapt. I think they just
kept things the way they were for the
last um you know for the 30 40 years
they were in business.
>> So I want to drill down a little bit
here. Yeah. The p the podcast is Jewish
grit. We hear the grit stories of
different Jewish professionals. Can you
share a moment in your personal or
professional journey where maybe it
didn't follow the script in the
narrative and you found yourself
somewhere you didn't think you'd be and
you had to your way out?
>> When I left my family business in 1995,
I always thought that would be my life.
It it was tough and I did have three
young kids so I would say that was it
was a big leap.
>> What gave you the strength to to leave
the comfort and stability and to venture
on your own? I knew what I had to do to
survive. I guess in inner and I didn't
think I would thrive and survive in the
environment I was in. I think I have
spent my entire life, not my entire
life, a lot of my adult life trying to
prove myself to myself um and probably
to my father I guess every
>> What did your wife think like through
this whole thing was she okay with you
doing this?
>> Yeah. Well, that's funny because one of
the one of the things is yeah that I
would talk about is you have to have the
right support system. Um and my my wife
is very strong and she did believe in me
and um you know we um she she was very
supportive. She went back to work. She's
a teacher, special ed teacher and she
worked till 2014. She pitched in and you
know she took you know and she took the
risk with me.
>> How many years are you guys married?
>> 40. 40 in two weeks.
>> What's the secret to a good marriage?
>> Laughter.
>> Oh that's great.
>> What?
>> That's wonderful.
>> Yeah. I think the secret I think the
secret is good laughter. I just, it's
funny you say that because three minutes
ago I was watching this quick um clip
and it said, "See, for good marriages, I
do what I want and my spouse does what I
want, but I don't think that's fair. I I
don't."
>> But you were and and being able to enjoy
happiness together is super important.
>> I know.
>> And how many children do you have?
>> I have three.
>> You think you're a good dad?
>> Do I think I'm a good dad? Well, let's
get to the point that all three of my
children work in the company.
>> Oh, I did not know that. So, probably
I'm probably a better dad than a better
boss. Is that a conflict? Like, you
know, having children because people say
that like it's not healthy for family
members to work together.
>> Uh, is it a conflict? Well, it's ironic
because I came out of a family business
and I left it because of conflicts. Um,
and then you just recreated it. Oh my
gosh.
>> Exactly. I'm no better. I always say I
always say I'm turning into my dad. Um,
which might not be the worst thing, but
you know, my wife always does remind me,
you know, don't make the same mistakes
your father did.
>> So, how do you how do you navigate that
that delicate balance? Well, each one
has a different responsibility. Um, you
know, my I have one son who's like an
inventory wizard. We have a lot of
inventory and then does purchasing. My
other son is is really strong in
marketing and and um social media, which
again adapting, changing%,
>> you know, he's the one who comes and
says we have to have an open workstation
for everyone, you know, you know, things
like that. Um, little things like that.
Uh, and I have a daughter who um is
really in sales, so I'm trying to keep
everyone in there.
>> Did you groom them? This should be my
sales, my marketer, and my inventory.
>> It's it's really interesting because my
oldest son is an actually an animator by
he worked on he went to school. He
majored in animation and he's he's very
creative and talented. And when he came
to the company, I actually thought he
would be he that's what he would do.
Design toys and marketing because that
is who he is and that's his narrative.
But instead, he's into numbers and and
inventory control and it's it's not what
I would have thought.
>> But is he happy there? I hope
>> I hope he's happy. Yeah, you know, he
should be happy. He does a great job.
>> What makes you most proud to be a Jew? I
feel like I hit the jackpot. I do. I
think being Jewish hit the jackpot.
Every time I go into my synagogue, I
learn something new from my clergy. I
feel at home and I think there's always
more to learn. And I actually think I
probably only know about 3% of what I
need to know. There's just unbelievable
the amount of of information and
knowledge that you can get regarding our
religion and our heritage. Um, but I
think that I always strive to grow and
be better. And I think that's the Jewish
mindset and it's something that I carry
with me every day.
>> What makes you happy?
>> I think being at peace with myself.
>> Okay.
>> It makes me happy. Um I mean a lot of
cliche answers you can say. Of course
being with my family makes me happy.
Being a being works really makes me
happy.
>> It it it does. Um but I think you really
have to like who you are and not be a
follower.
>> What do you find is the biggest
challenge professionally for you today?
Our business became a little
unpredictable. Everything was going
along again. Some I have this the
theory. You don't know how good you have
it till you don't have it anymore.
>> Right. So we went through COVID which
was the first thing and um then we were
closed.
>> What but did that help you in terms
because a lot of people you know tried
to take care of their pets or got pets.
No.
>> Well what happened? Yes. But we didn't
know at the beginning. Fortunately we
were considered an essential company
only because of the pet food industry.
>> Oh. because they just put they
categorize pet for people made treats
and food and anything that was in pet
went along with it. So
>> but you don't make
>> No, we don't. But the industry became
essenti you know we worked what we did
is we worked four days a week. Yeah you
four days a week 10 hours a day and um
we only had a skeleton crew but that
that was the first challenge um that we
had and that that was very difficult.
Fortunately as as you know a lot of
people adopted pets and you know at the
end you know business really grew a
little bit because of it but when it
started we did not know that. Number two
is uh we import from China and after
COVID when that was finally over the
container prices if you remember that
went through the roof right
>> so we pay 4,000 remember we're importing
dog toys they're not expensive maybe we
pay a dollar$ dollar$ dollar$ dollar$
dollar$ dollar$ dollar$ dollar$ dollar$
dollar$ dollar50 for a product
>> um and a $4,000 container went to
$20,000 so we're paying five times the
amount to bring to bring product in um
and then that became very difficult and
then the last which is tariffs prevalent
is tariffs of course and duty and um at
one point we went to 145% for a month
last March exactly a year ago
>> and um that meant for every dollar that
we bought paid for we paid 245 for the
product but what all that does is it
makes it an makes it uncompetitive
because you don't know how to compete
with other people so you're put into a
position beyond your control that is
with an unfair competition. So what
happens to you when all of a sudden
everything that you expected in the
industry just turns around? How do how
do you survive a as a company and then b
as as a leader of the of the company?
>> Well, I learned a I learned this as a
lesson because I made a mistake. You
have to make mistakes to grow,
>> of course. Um, I just say I just forged
ahead because my answer is, you know,
yes, the profitability is going to go
down, but if we stay strong and steady
to our competitor to our to our
customers, excuse me, we're strong and
steady to our customers and we keep the
flow of product going um and we're
shipping on schedule, there's a good
chance our competitors are not. And I
would rather be that person. So when I
come out on the other end, I'm going to
maintain and retain the business that I
have because you know a vendor that you
know dries up a retailer and you know
and doesn't support them during hard
times may not get the business when
times are not hard. in a position as a
leader of a company. Um what do you feel
is the most important um ingredient to
be a strong leader to be a director so
that the people in your company feel
valued respected always you have to stay
humble always don't get too high on the
highs and don't get too low on the lows
because it's a little bit as you get
older you get I call it sandpapered you
know like I used to get very emotional
if something was great we jump up and
down and then of course something wasn't
great we would you know what we would
get a little bit depressed. Um, and I
think you have to stay consistent. You
have to have good people. You know that
every everyone says it. You you really
really have to have the right people.
Treat them like family. Um, and listen
to everything that they have to say.
>> What What defines a good person to you
when you're trying to hire someone? You
have 10 people that apply for the same
position. What What to the thing that's
going to sell you on that 10th person?
>> Well, I did learn something. The better
they interview, usually the worse they
are as employees.
>> Oh, yeah. That's fascinating.
I'm exaggerating.
>> I I didn't learn that on a podcast. The
better the interview, the better they
are.
>> No, but now I'm like, you're doing
great.
>> If someone is like really dull, they're
probably a great employee. And if
someone is full of personality, they're
probably themselves. Yes, exactly. I'm
exaggerating, but well, I look for I
look for humility. Um, but I think the
answer is I'm not, you know, our
industry is not so sophisticated. You
know, we're not financial. We're not,
you know, we're not Wall Street, right?
Um, so we really look for people that
are moldable, someone that is going to
mold with the company, grow with the
company and and understand our our
business and um and fit in culturally
with with who we are. Um, I think that
really smart people are very are are
moldable and are able to adapt to change
and I think that some are not everybody
not everyone we hire can fit in and you
know it happens in every company but um
the ones that do can really thrive and
grow. Um
>> do you see yourself retiring at some
point and just letting your kids take
the company over?
>> I want to work till I'm 75. That that
would be my goal. Uh I have a
personality such that I have to wake up
in the morning and have somewhere to go.
of course, you know, I don't have to
work all day, but I, you know, I need,
you know, I need to get out of bed,
dressed, you know, and somewhere. Um, so
I would say that, um, I and I need to
slow it down. And I also, as I, as I get
older, you know, by 10:00, 10:30, I'm
worn out. I used to make it I used to
make it till midnight. You start your
life off, you get married, hopefully,
you establish a family, you get a job,
and you're kind of finding your footing,
and then more or less, you're focused on
yourself. That's what you're really
focused on. You do you need you need a
strong foundation but at some point if
you're blessed with success and a little
bit of wiggle room all of a sudden the
world around you becomes more important
and you have the opportunity to give um
you your wife your company are do you
have like a philanthropy foundation and
if you do like how do you decide how to
give where to give when to give
>> okay I can answer the question two ways
we give personally okay most um I would
say a lot to our federation our um
synagogue which very active in We have a
very very big JCC,
>> right?
>> Um that thriving. So I would say we give
to that um and and a lot of Israeli
causes um that we like to support.
Corporate wise, we try to stick within
our our industry. We um we do a lot with
um shelters um with adoption agencies um
you know, we're very strong. We're going
next week is our largest trade show of
the year. We call it our we call it
internally our Super Bowl and we do a
pet adoption um in our booth.
>> Nice.
>> Um it's really nice. It's actually very
special. Um, and we probably get about
20 to 25 um, dogs adopted, you know, in
our booth at the show. Um, it's an
industry show, so the people who are
adopting the dogs are people in the
trade people. That's not open to the
public, but and it's really rewarding to
see these people, you know, take these
pets home um, with them, you know, and
um,
>> are you a pet owner?
>> I have granddogs right now.
>> Do you have grandchildren?
>> I do.
>> What's better, the granddogs or the
grandchildren? Well, I had the granddogs
first. Uh
um they're all special. How's that?
>> Beautiful. That's a great answer. Very
well politically said.
>> Thank you.
>> As the our viewers and our listeners try
to figure out, you know, their lives and
as somebody who think God has had
professional success and built a
beautiful Jewish family and is part of
the community, what would you tell them
if you have an opportunity to address
them and tell them about something they
should be thinking about? some values,
some advice. What What would you What
would you like to tell them? The mic is
yours.
>> You have to learn your industry. And I
think it takes 10 years to learn an
industry. I'm your rabbi. I'm sure even
once you're
>> still learning.
>> Yeah. But once you're ordained, I'm sure
it took it took you 10 years to perfect.
>> Sure. For sure.
>> And I think that had I started this when
I was 25, it wouldn't have worked, you
know. I think that I started when 35 was
a big advantage. I think you really,
really have to be patient. You have to
learn the products, learn the players.
And it's not just my industry. I think
it's every industry. And I think a lot
of people start too young and want to
conquer the world. Some do and some are
great at it. But I think you really,
really have to really study your
industry, know your industry before you
take the bat out and you want to hit the
ball on your own. You need patience and
financing sometimes. That's right.
>> And um part two of it is, you know, I'm
on the other end of it now. I have a lot
of friends. Not everyone is successful
professionally and personally. Now I
don't I'm not talking about money and
I'm not talking about family and kids
because you can be single and be very
happy and sure
>> but um I find that in many cases one per
if they have they're very successful
professionally they've lost out on
something personally and if they're very
have a great personal situation they
sometimes don't have it professionally
and I think you have to really walk that
fine line to get that balance. um to
have to thrive in both both areas of
your life.
>> Do you feel that you know building your
company impeded your family life the the
quality of time or were you able to
balance that successfully?
>> No, I think um when I think you know our
industry was very much much small. Our
industry was much smaller than it is
today. Um and god I you know I lived on
airplanes. I I worked every every what
we say trade show or distributor show
that was there. Um I made every sale
myself. You know, I went to Asia. I did
all the purchasing. They were really
small. No, it absolutely absolutely
impeded on on my kids. I did.
>> But they turned out okay.
>> You think they did, but other people may
not. Um, listen, they had a great
childhood. And you know, they the
everyone wants to give their kids the
childhood they wish they had.
>> Okay.
>> So, um,
>> and now you're the grandfather that can
help make that happen in a real way.
>> Yes. It It's true. We all went skiing
last week.
>> Beautiful. So, it was nice. It was
>> Mark, this has been a real pleasure. I I
learned a lot of things and I appreciate
you sharing and I want to wish you lots
of success personally and
professionally.
>> Thank you. Um and um I look forward to
um talking to you again.
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