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okay friends I just want to share with
you a very short Point uh because it's a
very busy day for
me uh preparing for
Tish but this was something I was uh
interested in it's not really relevant
to the actual sugya it's more of a side
point about somewhat of an interesting
topic the gar
K related two accounts one of rdmi and
one of R
Safra that rd's account was rebi pasin
like the that if bezan is off by more
than a sixth the sale is
off and
perta the son of Rabbi
elazar the son of
perta the grandson of
rap said as follows and then there's a
version of Safra that RAB wanted to do
like the and Pera the son ofra and per
the grandson of
said so I was wondering who this person
was his name is Pera he's the son of
rebelar who's the son in turn of
perta so this individual is named after
his grandfather but the grandfather
we say
Ben is the
grandfather the grandson
of or is p himself the grandson
of and when it
says that grandfather is
actually yeah you hear my question in
other words
who's the great great-grandfather or is
just that another name for his
grandfather
so I was learning tus and I couldn't
really make heads or tals what tus
means right you see the names in the gar
the gar says that
PTA the son of razar Ben PTA and then it
says so is that the grandfather per was
the grandson of or is the grandfather
per
really so tus doesn't really uh
it's not clear what means if you look at
the language of
says who was the grandson
ofar per the father of
rebelar
who is the grandfather of this
one it seems like tus is thing that
was the grandson
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of so how do you read the words
per of the
father is the grandfather of this P who
made this statement and
who's that's referring to the
grandfather Yeah okay I have a very
interesting
sa it's called
is a saer
of you know who wrote
it was written by reua
Ben
Who and the commentaries on it Are CL
haar written by himself
the and Y is
algazi so algazi in his has uh he has
what to say about this to
let me see if I could pull it up
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here
um why is this not working one second
share here okay yeah um
he he is the grandson
of
namely I guess the way you read T this
is
this is like
this he who's he is
Ben he is the grand who's the he PTA who
is the father of rebelar who's the
grandfather of PTA he is the grandson of
rap in other words the grandfather of
perta is the grandson of rap
says let me explain to you what
means the second meaning the
grandfather the grandson of
therefore when the says he's the
grandson it's going on the
second what so the question is why do I
need a here what else could it
mean what else could it mean don't
say don't say they're only
two and this is what it means to
say said
and then the is
explaining the
first he's the grandson and we're
calling we're
calling per his grandfather who's of
don't that's the other possible way to
read it that the grandfather
is why can't you say
that why would have to say the
grandson the name would be enough to say
per I guess then it could have
said
that it didn't have to say Ben
it could have
said
he's and we would know he's the
grandfather this what it means the son
of this second
according to this reading where the
second perta the grandfather of the
first perta is in turn the grandson of
per
who there
three yeah that's how we read
it now comes Y and he says the truth
is you could have even learned to the
other way that what
means is the second
is I'm telling you what means is tsus is
explaining don't say they're only two
peras really they're three that's how
I'm understanding tus but I could have
learned tus that tus is saying don't say
they three three there only
twos so we were right in not being
absolutely clear what tus means we ended
up reading tus correctly but it's for
good reason we weren't 100% sure how to
read toes because he says it is possible
to read to
differently he's the
grandson don't say there three
maybe the is teaching and then is
explain it says the son of Reb
perta
namely the first not the second R is the
grandon maybe the first is grandson
the who the father maybe you would
say he's the grandfather of the first
one you could have learned tus that way
you could have possibly learned
tus here look back at tus the words of
to
he is the grandson
of who who is the
grandson per the father
ofar who's the who's the grandfather of
the first per that's how we're reading
tus
that the grandson
of is p the Father ofar the grandson of
the first per but but the saying could
have theoretically learned tus
differently
namely he's the grandson of
per that and that is the first perta is
the grandson of per that per
of is the
grandfather it's very to say that's
means
then it didn't have to say the
words
Ben of
rapta if that's what it
meant then it didn't say it didn't the
gamar didn't have to say
Ben it could have just said per
and then Define that perta
is in any event the way the
understanding tus is that they're three
peras there's perta he's a grandson of
PTA who in turn is a grandson
of okay it's just interesting that
there's a safer from aadm on has and he
uh he has two ways of reading this tus
But ultimately he says that what's
taking there are three individuals named
Pera here and uh we'll see
everybody uh we'll have to figure out
when we're doing D kive this week I it
depends uh depends how the day goes okay
everyone thank you call T be
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