How important is it to drink the kiddush wine? With Rabbi Simcha Bunim Berger

Okay, good evening. We are back after a couple of weeks. First of I want to just say welcome to everyone on Torah anytime. When I was initi I bumped into a young man who recognized me and said I watch these shurum of kadusha shabas. So I really want to just say thank you to the abisher and thank you to the people who do kadusha shabas because it's making a difference and making shabas more meaningful for I have no idea how many but lots of people hashem okay the shila in today's kadusha shabashir is when a person is sitting around listening to kdish Is it important that everybody taste from the number one? Number two is the sequence of how and when the other people sitting around get their wine. Does that make a difference? When a man makes kdish or anybody making kdish, should he pour out the wine into the little cups or into other cups before he drinks? Is there a difference if he drinks first? When you drink from a cup, you make it pum as it's known and therefore it cannot be used again to make another bra. Does that take away some of the of the let's read it in Hebrew in the question of of kadusha shabasades persons making a kdes on shabas for lots of people or any case or yeshiva for example Is there an Indian that everybody should be drinking besides the person who made? Is there an Indian to drink because of the which we'll see in the ran momentarily? It's beloved. it there's a certain well will well and it's it it has um a power of blessing which as we'll talk about or maybe everyone should pour a little bit of wine in their own cup and drink wine when they hear kesh from the kie because taking the wine from the person who made kdish who drank drank from his cup, like we said a moment ago, is pug and therefore pug means it has been drank from and no longer kosher to make kdesh on. Okay. In addition, when a person makes kdish, they're supposed to drink mole. You're supposed to drink what's called a mouthful. It says in that is enough to give a person a sense of satiation. You feel that there's a person there's a certain do all the people have to drink that amount. Is it is there obligation for them to all drink the mallema of that you have to use a lot of wine for a lot of people or just tasting is also enough. In addition, should they make their own bay prehagen or be yay with the bay prehagen of the mare? All these questions and more we're going to discuss tonight in the shar. Let's begin with the rush on page one. The background to this rush is a gimarra that the rush actually quotes over here in on simz. If you have it at home, it's an Rashi. Raashi came to Makuza and they said to Raashi, "Make kidush rabbi." He didn't know what that meant. And he decided he's going to test the crowd. He didn't know if he's just has to make a burrien or on shabas in the morning. Does he have to sanctify the day and talk about kaducious the way you do on le shabas? Revi wasn't sure what the minimum was. So he did the following. When he came to and they said make kdesh he didn't know he said make kdesh rabba. He said he didn't know what my kdesh rabba is. So what he did was he made a pri and he was which in English means he drawled out the he stalled in the corner of his eye. He saw an elderly person drinking. He realized that all he needed to do was just make a burrien and not more than that. that the kdesh in the day was not about the you say the kdesh at night is and then you make hash the kdesh is a of course plus sanctifying the day but once you do that at night in the daytime the kdish is just making the prehaguff and once he did that that was says the rush I learn. And now if you look in column two where that gray area is incidentally we learn by the fact that someone else also drank. Then not only the drank but someone else also drank that it is actually a mitzvah for other people to drink too. This is what the rush said and he's quoted on page two in the in the different opinions as to whether the madesh has to be the one to drink the wine. You know sometimes a person making kdish doesn't want if it's wine and you don't want to use grape juice he doesn't want to you he doesn't want to drink the wine. What is the can can make kdesh and not even taste the wine at all and just let shim drink? Take a look what it says in your top of the page on page two. If the person who was the mad didn't taste the mole and someone else instead drank mole says the jump into the people around were listening to the he the had in mind to be mimos. So therefore, the of one person helps for all of them. That's because we were all in it together making kdish and being. So if anybody in the crowd who was part of the that was hearing Kdish and being drinks mole the first opinion in the which is the opinion of the rush is it's permissible. Okay, you have to have one person drink, not two people. It has to be one person, but it doesn't have to be which is a everybody should taste it. There's from the cashier. Even everyone can drink together for one year. loy even if the madesh didn't drink mole didn't drink the mouthful that he needs to but didn't even put any wine into his mouth he didn't even taste anything while the first opinion which was the opinion of the rush said someone else can drink and the madadish doesn't have to touch the wine load the however say brings the you have to at least taste something and you should be for the says the every other thing like or other cases you can give it to someone else for kdish the person who's mad should at least go ahead and taste it one thing is clear what's to the question of tonight which is what about everybody else if you can it's a mitzvah the he should be the one to drink the mole and everybody should have timo the question that we asked in the beginning how much does everybody taste How much does everybody else have to have? They don't have to. Only one person has to have a mouthful. Everybody else just tastes alone. There's no sheer when you're giving out wine to other people to enjoy the shel. I know your little kinder or your anl want a lot. Of course we know that but you want to know what's the how much in English just tasting says the letter I he speaks it out very clearly. What everybody around the table needs to have is just enough to taste the the you don't need more than a mole for more than just one person. That's all. Okay. >> Yes. Does at home? >> Does it say what his min is? >> It did. It says what he did when he came to Makuza say >> don't forget he also was talking about kdesh and we're going to soon learn by the brisk there's a difference between a Friday night kdish and a shabas day kdish we're going to get to that momentarily >> didn't say what he did at all >> the gar did not say that >> if you're alone though is that how much you have to drink something by himself >> he has to drink a m look >> which is what >> that's >> a mouthful mouthful That's right. That's what the sh the brought down and the raos mole piv a mouthful and earlier in it says because that satiates a person he feels like he drank something. Now moving right along. What's the inion of tasting? According to the ran which is on page three quoted in the dark. We would pour a little bit of the into other cups which means the honor the everybody wants to get a little piece or everybody get wants to get the this was the cup that we made kesh on. So everybody tastes it everybody wants to get a part of it shows how valuable it is. move page four quoting what we just saw in the everybody around should drink they should all taste they don't have to have a full mouthful dive tasting a little bit is sufficient. The if there are lots of people around listening to Kdesh the he estimates that he won't have enough wine in his cup for him to get drink mallem and distribute a little bit to everybody. What should he do? He should add some wine. Once the first person drank, you can add wine into the leftovers and then you can distribute it. You're going to ask me, but it's a kais pum. I'm gonna show you an al which you probably might remember from your own home that you can de pum your which is you can undo a pigma. Do you ever have wine or grape juice left in the bear after kdish? What do you do with that wine? It's spill it out. Some people might, but you can salvage that wine. Why? It's brought down in Actually, I can even show it to you where it is. It's on page three. Don't go anywhere. Go back to where it is in the in in this is being quoted by the Torah. When you have a cup that you have drank from, you made kdish and you drank from it, the leftovers we said are already considered used. In Hebrew we call it pugum. But if you add fresh wine from the bottle, that wine is no longer pugum. You have re you hit the refresh button and you refresh that wine. And now that wine is good for kdish. So you can then pour it back into the bottle. You never just pour the cup of leftover wine straight into the bottle because in its status after kdish and being drunk from it's pugum but adding wine. And then he says, you can even put in a little bit of water provided that the wine was a strong wine and you didn't ruin it by diluting it. And then it when you do that, if you dilute it, you messed it up. But if not, then it's going to and what did you do? It's no longer. So says the you made kdish. You estimated you didn't have enough wine in your what did you do? You drank and then you add more wine into your kdish cup. So he's saying that the order of what you do would make a very big difference. Meaning if you made kdish and you drank from the cup and then you poured into other cups, you're pouring pugum wine. But if you put more wine in your cup first, then you took away the fact that it was pum and it's still, isn't it? Because it's and then you distribute it. This way you can in a sense have your and share the with everyone else. Let's see it inside. One more time. The im. And it's not big. You can add some more wine and then distribute. Right. That's right here. He's talking about benching if everybody like in everybody has their own cup of wine. every one of the cups like in the lea that everyone's got their own they're all considered even though only one person is making the kdish or the out loud but everybody holding it >> because it's full >> yes it's because it's full that's correct and if they're empty before you if you if your cup is big enough that you can have your I want says the you to pour it out first before you drink it. Why? Because you want to share. We're not adding to depogamize it because you have enough. The sequence is important. So to summarize and be clear, right? If you can make kdish and you have enough to distribute, it's important that you pour out of your cup first before you drink it so that you're sharing that has not yet been drunk from. And that is the way to do it. Therefore, let me just finish one line. So that all those are tasting from the cup that's not then if you've distributed the wine and you haven't drank yet, you need to inform them and this is why we're telling this to you now that they shouldn't taste it until you which is if they had their own cup and they heard kish from you. So they had their own kaisha and they were yitzer with your kdish. They don't need you to drink from your cup first. They can drink first which was the story of Rabb Ashi and the old man who drank first. Tyus asks over there he had his own cup here the case I just we just saw now you did not have your own cup to know the maf didn't have to know he had a cup. >> He didn't have to he's they had a cup. What did you want to ask? I think so. So, especially since it's cold, everybody got very thing. So, you could literally pour it out before you taste it. >> Sure. >> But how was it? Everybody else is because you're not drinking from your >> you. That's why I just said wait for they wait for you to drink first from your cup and then they drink. This was the is the opinion of the rebel and rebel says on page five aish rebel says the following if you see where that is. We're going to jump right in right to where the You know, let's start from the beginning. Page number five, sendi right over here in letter. It's per it's you're supposed to drink from a cup that's not as soon as he drinks he was what do we see in the So how do we fix the add a little bit of wine cuz like we said every time you pour in fresh wine. You fixed up the pug. You did. But the new wine >> is not cuz only the wine that was in the cup when you made kdish. While it's true by adding more wine, you've taken away the fault of it being pugle. But don't make a mistake and think that now all the wine that's in there is all shell. Only the original amount, which was the wine in the cup. when you made kesh with the actual and that doesn't change says rebel by adding more wine depamizing making the wine not pum says rebel yash doesn't change the status and make it all into let's read it let's read it inside >> that's Right. You see where I'm reading from? Rabbi site. The added wine doesn't transform into when there's a lot of people listening and you want to add some more wine. It's you think you're expanding and it's more you know the way some people say you make kdish then you'll pour it into another bottle etc. Now you have from became it'sis says rebel yash. I'm sorry if I'm insulting anybody any that wine now I just devaluated maybe all those bottles of wine from there was a little less. It's not a even if the and what you put in was just a little bit. It won't make a difference. What wasn't in the it's not right now. So therefore, how much whatever amount? Let's say your kdish cup was a 6 kdish cup. You have six ounces of that's what that's what you have. If you're going to drink mallem, which is about 3.2 oz, you'll have 2.8 left to distribute so everybody can have it to eat. If you add more, you might have more volume. says just because you added wine there is still in there. It doesn't take away the reality of the it just doesn't add to it. It's not that you think now I just put another two or three ounces in so now I got four or five ounces of No, you don't. You still have the same 2 oz 8.2 O. It's just that it got distributed and thinned out. So maybe everybody who tastes it will have a little bit of the that's a possibility. But it doesn't add more to the it doesn't make that any bigger. The mitzvah is to drink from the that you made the bra on. One thing last point says rebel like where everybody has a cup of wine which means that if you're at a bar mitzvah or you're at a kdish and the bar mitzvah the is taking Kdesh and you fill your cup on your table with a cup of wine and you listen everyone's cup was to the therefore Four. This is what you asked me earlier. And before and that's nothing. If the fellow is making, we surround him with a bunch of cups. It's got to be your k that you're holding on to it. It's in front of you and your mif your kais to the other kises. then it's considered an independent only >> that's opinion say that if the if you don't drink from his cup it's also not >> no he didn't say that he said if you have your own cup >> he the makes kdish and pours for everybody else the fact that it's not in the cup itself also means >> kum it's a kosa >> right it wasn't it it he makes a distinction I'm not understanding your question clearly because I think it's very clear if you have nothing in your cup and you want to drink then you have to make sure you get from the wine that was in the kdish cup that he made kdish alternative >> you don't need to drink from the cup itself >> oh you don't have to drink from the cup itself no you can pour it into a different cup yeah the cup itself is not we never said that you have to drink the cup itself let's skip ahead I'm running out of time to be honest um I Go to page 11 from um questions asked toki page it's 11 on top 15 at the bottom people all around have cups in their hands they don't have to drink from the what what we just said Now, does it have to have a ree number one? And does it have to be full to the top? Now, answer. Yes. For them to be considered, they have to resemble the kdesh cup. It's got a big enough to be a reve and it's full. Question number two, do I have to drink the mole out of this cup? Now the way the madesh has to said rebi you have only one person has to drink mole you're what you have is a you have a mole but your obligation even though it has ra is not to drink a ra you just want to be what this is is to create multiple shel but we never said that every single person has to drink malle only one person preferably the madesh if he can't then let somebody else do it and preferably as we saw the he should make at least a timo the madadish but everybody else one person has to drink mallem everybody else can have next question. You have to drink from a cup that has reveal. Is there a milo? You just told me that you don't have to go ahead and drink. Is there a milo? Is there is it advantageous? Would it be better for them to drink? It is it is correct to do that. One more. I didn't learn this mission with you. We skipped over Mishnab writes that when a person holds the cup and drinks from it, it's not considered pugum because since it was it was the kdish cup for everyone. It's a he says he says he holds like the mission that um and it's actually on page 10. It's opened up right over here. You look at the mission since we quote it. There's only one cup. There's only one cup. And he's going to drink the madesh is going to drink it first was a rush that everybody's considered from this kadesh. And the fact that the makadesh drank from it first isn't the rebi sided with him. I just want to finish off there's more to do time I have a little constraint this of if you look in the Maharal in he talks about the gimra that says 10 things the about 10 things that it says he links those 10 things to The of the you say every shabas. There are 10 in and there are 10 requirements and the moral says they parallel each other. If you want to get a deeper insight, you can look in the safer maharal in English on sukus and hallow our diva safer. You can see in chapter three we wrote a whole to explain this. One thing it says over there is that is gimmatria 86 which is when you use a and you take the of the you're using that you're accessing the of and that's why there's a that Every time you bench and you're blessing the and thanking him and every you use a sh to siphon in all of those and all of the that can come from the to those of we can access them through the One