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Welcome back to another episode of the
What It Takes podcast. Today I have a
very exciting guest, Dr. Jonathan
Donath. Yeah? Yeah. Donath. Okay. Dr.
Jonathan Donath
is a doctor. He has a full-time
chiropractic
chiropractic practice.
>> Very good. Yeah. And he started this
non-for-profit called Daily Giving,
which to date
has distributed a little over 29
million dollars.
That number itself is mind-boggling.
Today we're going to talk about what
it's like running a practice full-time,
what it's like running a non-for-profit
full-time. You're distributing close to
10 million dollars a year, which is
mind-boggling. Fundraising, we'll talk
about all that. Welcome to the podcast.
How are you? Thank you for having me.
>> [music]
>> Okay, so for those listening who don't
know who you are,
how'd you get into like Okay, obviously
you went to college to become a doctor.
How'd you get into both of these worlds?
Let's go ahead. Introduce yourself.
Okay.
Um
Jonathan Donath, originally from
Minneapolis, Minnesota. Wow. Well, you
don't want to be there today. Yeah.
Okay.
>> you know, it's like it's like
everything. It's like when I go to
Israel, my patients are like, "Oh, be
careful." They say.
>> [laughter]
>> Like it's like in Minneapolis, like you
know, you know, you live there, it's
fine. It's you know, it could be 5 miles
away and it's fine.
But essentially, uh yep. Quick story, I
I went to high school in Chicago,
Skokie, Illinois, cuz there's no Jewish
high school there At the time there was
no Jewish high school in Minneapolis.
What's the community like? It's really
There's I'm assuming there's like
>> 500 from families, maybe more now, I
don't know. Like I don't know exactly,
you know. My parents have lived there
since 1978. My father's been a professor
at the University of Minnesota. He just
retired.
So, Where'd they move to? They still
live
>> They still They're still there. They're
moving to Teaneck this year after living
there since 1978. So,
nice to have my parents coming east.
Um me and my three siblings live in New
York and New Jersey. Okay. And um
went to high school in Chicago, then did
you know, a year and a half in Israel,
then went to Yeshiva University for 4
years, then I went and became a
chiropractor, did 4 years of
chiropractic school.
And then I started my practice. Uh Why
chiropractor?
Good question.
Um
I had I thought I was going to go into
business, and then I went to Camp Asc as
a counselor at Camp Asc, and
>> Same. You did Asc?
>> Yeah. So, I spent two summers in Camp
Asc, and that really
really changed what I wanted to do. I
really wanted to help people, and then I
decided, okay, I want to be some kind of
doctor. I'm come from a family with a
lot of doctors in my family.
Um and then I was deciding what kind of
doctor to become, and it was a it was a
hard decision. Uh I did a lot of I I
spent time at different doctors'
offices, and I really when I spent time
in a chiropractor's office,
um I found it so interesting that
patients were coming in pain, and just
with people's hands or even maybe some
machinery, whatever, but basically with
hands and not with medication trying to
just cover up with symptom, but they
were trying to get to the root cause of
the problem. So, I love that like
watching people come in literally in
pain and walking out in less pain or no
pain. Without heavy medication or heavy
machinery. surgery, and um I've always
been a really big sports fan.
And I really wanted to help athletes and
treat athletes, and so
in that world you kind of do, you know,
there's the orthopedic surgery, which
takes like 12 years after college.
Um and this was 4 years after college,
or I you know, you become a trainer, but
then you're not a doctor. So, I it's
kind of That's how I settled on
chiropractic. I really liked the idea of
um one day I want to make aliyah, and I
and I and um and being a chiropractor in
Israel works as well.
Um so, yeah, it just kind of checked all
the boxes. I wanted to treat athletes. I
wanted to help people. I wanted I liked
that it was a people come to the
chiropractor and they have a personal
relationship cuz
I am the medicine. Meaning so, they
come, let's say six times or eight
times, I get to know my patients, and
then maybe they don't come for 8 years,
and they come back with another problem,
and then I help them again. So, it's a
really nice
prac you know, profession where you get
to help people. Like sometimes if you
even if you're like a neurologist or an
orthopedist, you might treat someone
once, and they never see them again. You
don't necessarily develop a relationship
with them. And I'm a relationship kind
of guy. I like going deep. And so, it
kind of checked all those boxes, and
it's been wonderful. This is my 20th
year in practice, and
it's been uh it's been a real bracha. Um
since this podcast um revolves sometimes
around careers, where does chiropractor
fall on the salary spectrum
from doctors?
It's it's it's
>> Not only your own practice. Yeah, I I
would say that
>> a 5-year doctor, 10-year doctor make?
Much lower than a medical doctor, in
general. 100? 150? 200? 250?
>> yeah. I think the average chiropractor
probably makes the average chiropractor
makes between 100 and 150
um a year.
>> 10 years experience? Yeah. And I think
that
>> Wow, that's awesome.
>> Yeah, that's it. Then you have then you
have, you know, people have their own
businesses, they they understand they
how to make money, and you know, and
then make a a lot more. Um
But but but if you're an associate, if
you're working for another chiropractor
in the business, you're not, you know,
probably 100 to 150 is is on or even 150
would be on the very high end if you're
working for someone else. Really? Yeah,
but that's it.
>> to make good money, you have to own your
own practice.
>> Like I just found out this week I I
found out like a judge certain judges
make like under 150. I was like stunned
by that. I was totally stunned. Like I
even like 125, 130. I'm like, "How do
they make a living?" you know. So, it's
like anything. There's there's There's
chiropractors that make millions and
millions of dollars a year. So, it just
depends on if
>> If you want to be a business person you
are, and
>> Right. how you know, do you want to do
you want that kind of life where you
have many doctors working for you, stuff
like that. You know, you could be a
psychologist, and you could just treat
see one person at a time, or you could
have a psychology practice with like
eight doctors working for you and make
millions of Right like so, it's like
anything, very similar to that.
Um are there chiropractors that have
large practices with multiple locations
that they still see patients? Cuz I find
it as a business grows,
me as a recruiter, I used to do
recruiting placements. Yeah. And now I'm
running a business, training my team,
hiring, recruiting, marketing, finance.
>> Exactly. Very similar. Chiropractors,
like if they knew
in chiropractic school for years, you're
you're studying and you're learning, and
no one's really teaching you about
business. And I actually think that one
of the great things I I got I don't
[clears throat] know, I don't say lucky,
but fortunate is I kind of always had a
business head. I was going to go into
business. Then I decided to become a
chiropractor.
So, it really helped me a lot because
I'm a business owner. Like at the end of
the day, I have a practice. I run my own
business. Like no one's No one teaches
you this stuff. So, you you know, it's
like I'm an entrepreneur. Like I didn't
know I was 26 years old. I started my
practice from scratch.
And that put me where it is today.
>> A lot of people nervous to start their
own business. Yeah, I was, but at the
same time, car At that time, 20 years
ago, chiropractors maybe were making
I out of school, this is like after 4
years of college and 4 years of
chiropractic school, How much was that?
I probably could have made like $40,000.
So, I'm like In my in my head I'm like,
how bad like on my own, starting from
scratch, like I refuse to believe I
can't make $40,000 on my own. That was
kind of that Right? So, I was less
nervous because it was like, okay, you
know, let me see. Let me try just work
for myself. I worked for a different
chiropractor every summer within
chiropractic school. Um so, I learned a
lot. I learned a lot about what I wanted
to do, what I didn't want to do, and
then I started my practice, and uh thank
God, Hashem blessed me, and it was
really kind of from the beginning I got
a lot of good advice. Um chiropractors
told me I asked every chiropractor I
went to go see. I said, "What would be
one piece of advice you'd give me?" And
they almost all said the same thing.
True.
>> not take insurance. I would be out of
network for insurance. Because if you're
in network, so people want to use their
insurance. So, they go on insurance pays
so little to chiropractors, it's like
such a joke that you have to see tons
and tons of patients. So, maybe the
insurance company will send you
patients, but then
what are you getting? $20 a visit? So,
how much time can you spend for $20 a
visit? A minute? 2 minutes? 3 minutes?
Right?
>> So, I want to have a relationship like
so, I I So, I'm out of network, and I
said, "Okay, I'll start. See how it
goes. If in 6 months I'm I'm not making
a living, then I'll I'll start accepting
insurance." And that was like the best
thing I ever did because
you know, at the time, again, I'm used
to not making money. I was like
>> [snorts]
>> I just came out of school. I you know, I
was 26 years old. I had no salary. My
wife was a preschool teacher. She made
just enough to like cover our expenses.
It's much harder, and this would be a
good for your podcast, for your
listeners to understand, like there's
something called handcuffing, right?
Like Golden handcuffs.
>> Right. Like if you if you if if you're
if you come out of school and you're
like, "Oh my gosh, I need money." and
you're working for someone else, and
you're making 40, then 50, then 60, then
80, then 100, and you're like, "You want
to start again from scratch." and you
have three kid little kids, and you're
like like, "Wait." You're stuck. Cuz
you're taking a big risk.
>> Health insurance.
>> so much easier for me when I didn't need
the money, you know, um my son was
Get out.
>> Yeah. So, I always remember how long
I've been in practice. Wow.
>> Yeah.
Um How'd you get patients? That's I
mean, Yeah, what's funny is I'm sure
we'll get to later, but I really feel
looking back cuz I had never ever
intended on starting my own non-profit.
But um I look back now at every skill
that Hashem gave me. Like every
every good middah is because was needed
for Daily Giving, but it also really has
served me in my chiropractic practice.
Cuz as a chiropractor, you know, most
medical doctors, they're on insurance
companies. Right. And so, I remember one
time my son needed a pediatric pediatric
um ophthalmologist. That's me.
Child eye doctor.
They're
>> Why is that a special
>> They're rare, right? So, I think it was
like a 3-month wait to see them. And
then we went and we saw this guy, and he
had zero bedside manner. Like zero.
And you're like, you just don't feel
comfortable. You're like, I don't I
mean, but
what do you have a choice? You wait 3
months, you're going to listen to him,
right? So, chiropractors, if you're not
a good you don't have good people
skills, and you don't have something
that they feel like, "I want to come to
you." Like they can go to 10 other
doctors that take their insurance.
Now, they don't realize they're going to
get 1/10 of the service and 1/10 of the
the skill level,
but that's the only way that person
could get people is through being on
insurance.
Right? So, if if I if I specialize in 10
different things, and I'm constantly
doing training to get better and better,
and be able to get people better in four
visits instead of 30 visits, Right. then
they come to me because I have those
skills. Bedside manner is such a big
thing. What'd you say? Bedside manner.
Having a good like being a normal human
being.
>> Yeah.
But on the flip side, I feel like
somebody's going to school for 10 to 15
years, Yeah. it's going to make them a
little coco.
>> [laughter]
>> So, it might affect their brain. I'm
kidding. There are many nice doctors out
there. I wanted to become a
pediatrician. Wow.
Me, too, at some point.
But I went to college one semester,
Yeah. failed miserably.
>> Just no zitzfleisch for those who like
ADHD is the English word for that.
Um but maybe one day if I retire and I
could afford it then I learn how to
focus a little bit better, maybe I'll
become a pediatrician one day.
What would you say was the biggest
mistake you made earlier on in your
chiropractic business?
Um biggest mistake I made
Some of the mistakes
that if your son or child wanted to get
into the business, open their own
practice
what advice would you give them?
I'd say don't take on too much overhead
too quickly.
Staff? Staffing.
>> Rent? Like having a nicer have a bigger
office, nicer right right you know, it
was it was very easy in those early days
when I started like getting it and
started getting and I would
I was in kind of the days where when I
started I kind of got search engine
optimization and like Google pay per
click. I used to pay like 10 cents for
the word attorney at disc, now it's like
I pay like $7 for someone to click on
herniated disc. Right? So
I was like splitting just like a couple
hundred dollars on marketing and I was
getting patients worth thousands.
So it was like I was like starting to
get that
and very early on and that was really
really helpful and I learned over time
that
you need to spend money to make money.
And someone one of my mentors early on
said if I give you a dollar if you give
me a dollar and I hand you back a five,
would you do it? I'm like of course.
They're like well
if you give me a hundred and I right
it's the same thing 100 500 1000 5000.
So I I got that early. So that was very
helpful that I was able I was I was
willing to spend more money. I
understood what the value of a a patient
was to me like a lifetime value.
And so I would be willing to spend
a couple hundred dollars on marketing to
get that patient to walk through the
door because I knew that once they met
me once I show them I know what I'm
doing I can get them out of pain that
they value me and they're going to come
back they're going to refer their
friends and family and it's got real
real serious value.
So that was really great. That was that
was that would really help me but at the
same time, you know, taking out overhead
the hardest thing in any business I
believe this that you can tell me what
you think of your business is employees.
I mean
you know, just through the years it's
like there's a lot of drama. A lot of
drama and having the right employees and
having that peace of mind
is is like it's you can go on vacation
for two weeks and the business is still
running. Right now my my my office is
open right now. My doctor's treating
other patients right now this minute.
Like it's amazing and I trust him and he
trusts me and it's great but finding the
right people it's like it's difficult.
That's what you do. You need more people
like you.
>> [snorts]
>> Um
For marketing you hired somebody or
that's a project you took on to learn it
and then gave it over? Yeah, I always
did my own marketing for my practice.
In daily giving in my nonprofit
I certainly did it for a long time. We
just hired a director of marketing last
year.
Thrilled to have someone else now. Shout
out to Barry Mitzman from Las Vegas. Oh
wow, I remember that. She she posted
that doing their marketing. She's
amazing and so it's so great having
you know, I'm like self-taught marketer
but I market my practice for You know,
you're one in a million. Our doctors
like doctors like you normally don't
exist. Yeah, I I I think it's I think
it's rare and I just kind of had I just
kind of had a business mind so it was
really helpful in my in my practice.
I've met people I remember one time I
was in chiropractic even before I was in
practice I met this guy
you know, there's not that many from
chiropractors. I remember in
chiropractic school there was a from I
was like you know, my fourth year and he
was a first year student and the biology
teacher asked me to like tutor him and I
got to know him a little bit and I'm
like this guy does not have the people
skills.
As a chiropractor you're just not going
to be successful if you don't have good
people skills. It's just you tell him. I
told him. I I said I it was very
difficult but I was like I I know I'm
doing this guy a favor. He's not he's
not a hundred thousand two hundred
thousand dollars in debt yet.
Like you go down that road there's a lot
of chiropractors that fail. They don't
do well. It's like it's like you know,
so you you could be you could have no
bedside manner like I said as a medical
doctor and still be highly successful
financially. Maybe you won't be you
know. Right. So Are there certain paths
in medicine
in the health care medical sector that
you don't need a good bedside manner?
I mean look, I think a bedside manner is
important for everything.
Right?
>> Billion percent. You know, but it's not
as like Yeah, but there are some
brilliant people. Yeah, there are people
like I I mean I know some surgeons
personally that are have great bedside
manner but then there are also surgeons
that have terrible bedside manner, you
know. Where you have less interaction
with the clients or the Sometimes
exactly sometimes that's why they did
it. I'm trying to think of one doctor
recently that was just telling me he
likes something because he specifically
oh, I know. Um a friend of mine's an ER
doctor. Okay. And he's kind of he's a
real introvert and he told me I I do I
do night shifts. He's like I love night
shifts and he said it's actually a lot
of the doctors and the nurses on night
shifts they all like the night shifts
because purposely they just don't like
dealing with the people as much. So it's
just quieter they just don't have to
deal with all the stress of the families
like at 3:00 in the morning it's like
they got it. They know what they're
doing but they don't have to have all
the extra of like dealing with the
patients and the families of patients.
Which was I was like it was really
interesting to me like that
you could be an introvert and not like
people and be a doctor.
It's funny that they would pick
medicine. I feel like if you're an
introvert there's there are other
industries that have less interaction
with people. Software developers like
minimal. Yeah, but I think it still
feeds that part of you that wants to be
we all want to be meaningful. We all
want to be help we want to help. So even
if you're just cuz you're an introvert
you're not like there are right?
It's worse when you have like teachers
that hate people. That's not good.
Right. We we all know people like that
you have through the years you you're
like you know, why did you go into
become a rebbe if you don't like
children? How did the school hire you as
a rebbe if you know?
Um
What was the path growing your practice?
I mean you start off on your own. Yeah.
What was rent like then? Uh boy, good
question. Rent rent was like
I remember I had a great this woman
I I was pregnant my wife was pregnant
with our first child and I was like I
said he was born in the first night of
practice so I was like looking I knew I
wanted to start my practice from scratch
and I found we had a childbirth class at
this like center. Okay. And in the
center I remember walking in and there
was a huge tray of business cards of all
these different practitioners in the
center. Okay.
And it was just a warm place and just
not a very typical like office-y
thing and they had and I remember going
through and they had
medical doctors, neurologists,
psychologists, psychiatrists,
acupuncturists, chiropractors, physical
therapists
um
nutritionists there's like just a whole
plethora of different doctors and I
remember going through I'm like oh shoot
there's a chiropractor I was like I was
like upset cuz I was like wow this place
would be so great to start my practice.
So I I asked the person like who's in
charge and I talked to them and lo and
behold the chiropractor that was there
was only there twice a week from Tuesday
Tuesday and Thursday mornings from like
9:00 to 2:00.
And the rest of his time he had a
practice in Manhattan.
So I was like can I rent his room the
rest of the time the rest of the week
and they're like yeah.
So I shared so it was amazing I shared
this one office with this other
chiropractor and I said so I started at
3:00 on Tuesday and Thursday which was
the greatest brocha of my like one of
the greatest brocha ever because to this
day I don't start work on Tuesday and
Thursday until 3:00 p.m.
So you're in that same place?
I no no no I moved like But the schedule
stayed. But the schedule stayed and then
you know, in 2020
four or 25 I stopped working on Tuesdays
completely to do daily giving full time.
Um yeah, so today here we are on a
Tuesday I'm I'm off you know, even my
practice is open but I this is This is
coming out in two months but it's being
recorded on a Tuesday. Yeah, exactly.
When was there a time that you feel like
why did I get into business open my own
practice versus becoming a W-2 employee?
When your office manager calls up and
quits and because they have a family
issue and they're like I'm just sorry I
just can't I just can't come. I can't
come to work anymore. I'm done. That
doesn't make sense. Family issue you
need to quit your job. Listen again in
20 years a lot happens right? So
you know,
just just drama drama from you're just
you sometimes you're like wow I just
want to work for I just want to get a
paycheck. Right. Or when you when you're
going on vacation and you're like okay
it's not just the vacation cost $5,000
it's the lost week of work.
>> [snorts]
>> Um and till I had a doctor like it was
many many years it was just me. I was
the only doctor. How long?
Um
I think probably like took maybe 10 11
12 years somewhere in that range when I
started when I hired my my next my first
doctor and then I've this is I'm on my
third doctor and he's been with me for
like over five years six years.
Um When you say third doctor you now
have three? No no no not now just
different you know, like they you know,
had a year or two they stay on maybe
they start their own practice maybe they
move you know. Do you see them as
partners?
Or as employees? My current my current
doctor
even though he's salaried and he doesn't
own equity in my practice I see him as a
partner and I think he feels that and
it's really great. We have a great
relationship and I think that's part of
it is cuz now I really do see him as a
partner whereas the others I definitely
saw as employees. I don't I I have a lot
of our cards at home with them because
because I can trust him and I know that
when I'm gone he's taking care of my
patients in a really high level.
Um and I can depend on him. It allows me
to
travel, do things for daily giving. I go
on trips to Israel. I've been I've been
to Israel like since October 7th like
five or six times. I do a mission every
year where I take philanthropists to
Israel to see the stuff cuz we give
money to.
So it allows me the freedom. I was just
telling him yesterday actually I I
actually gave him a raise yesterday.
Yeah and I and I sat down with him and I
said
remind and because there times where
he's not Jewish
um [snorts]
and I said to him
I gave him the raise and I said I just
want you to know I and I've said this
before that I I mean this in my heart
that I want you to know I hope you feel
meaning besides treating my the patients
in our practice I hope it gives you
satisfaction knowing what you're
allowing me to do for the world.
And and you know, save lives and give so
much money to poor people and do all
these things I hope you like take
satisfaction of it because it's because
that I you have you that I can depend on
you that I'm able to go out and do these
things to help.
We'll get to that. $29 million today is
just a mind boggling number.
When did you feel like in your practice
that you Wow, I made it or I'm getting
there?
Uh
I don't know if you ever feel like you
made it, you know?
We're from Jews, right?
Like tuition costs so much money, you
know,
I'm I'm never at the point where I was
like, "Okay, I have enough." What about
when you were able to afford like your
first nice vacation or buy a nice watch?
Yeah, um
yeah, to me I'm I'm I'm I'm kind of
lucky to not really need Skoch miss like
I want to just be okay. Like I want to
be able to
What do you mean? Like a miser. Oh,
yeah. I mean, look, I'm sure we can get
we can get that later, but definitely
like the biggest I I remember I
specifically remember the biggest check
I ever wrote for tzedakah and like
having my best month ever. Like I mean
like
no question. And then every time And
then I I did it many other times and
every time cuz we're like I have my own
business. Like I don't I don't I'm not
salary. There's
There's good months and there's bad
months. There's months where I
I barely cover my overhead and there's
months that thank God we're They're like
plentiful months, right?
>> Right. And so um I definitely see that
correlation. I mean, I I am like look,
I've become
such a proponent of the brocha of
giving. Like the the biggest I give a
you know, there's a I give a TED Talk on
it. Like the biggest brocha of giving
like the cheat code to life is giving.
It's one of the biggest cheat codes and
that it's like my passion right cuz I
see it. I know it. I get people talk to
me about it and and I've become more of
a giver. I wasn't always I had my own
practice. My wife didn't work out out of
the house.
Um no one's saving up for my kids'
college. No one's saving for retirement.
So that brings like pressure. And then
I'm also the grandson of four Holocaust
survivors. So then you've got my parents
grew up in a home where like you know,
money was always like you right like
it's a mentality. If if you're a
Holocaust survivor like you don't have
enough. So my parents grew in a house
where they their parents felt they
didn't have enough. So then I grew up in
a house where like Does that mean saving
or putting away for later?
>> Right. So saving. So I was like saving.
So when you But when you always feel
like you have to save when there's
enough to save, where does tzedakah fall
in?
So I always gave tzedakah
but did I really Did I Did I give 10%?
I'm going to be honest. Like I don't
know if I've ever talked about this on a
podcast before. Until a couple years ago
now I literally every single time I get
paid I'm paying Whatever I'm paying
myself
I take 10% put it into Pledgeur
Pledgeur or you use a donor advised fund
or there's a lot of great ones whatever
and I put it 10% in it and it
I it feels so great. First of all, I'm
giving so much more money. So like even
though I tricked myself into feeling I'm
giving lot I did. I gave lots of money
to tzedakah. But when you when you make
a decent amount of money, 10% is a lot.
10% is a lot to give to tzedakah when
you make a a decent salary. And my big I
do want to say I I tell you when I when
I when I treat young people
I even said this to a non-frum patient
recently, but especially like a like if
I I talked to someone who just got
married
and we were having like a really open
conversation. I said, "I have one piece
of advice for you. You're just this your
first job.
It is infinitely easier to start taking
10% now and putting aside now
than when you're making a lot of money
and you haven't been in that habit and
you have lots of expenses with your
children and everything else and your
overhead is just is now you're 20 years
old or 21 whatever. You have your first
job. If you start putting 10% now and
then as you get raised whatever, it just
it's just part of it.
You'll be used to it. It'll be the
biggest brocha of your life and I wish
someone had given me that advice. So I'm
I'm really glad to say that I I I really
feel it so much that like the brocha
that happens when you give ma'aser is so
great and then I think that
I think that if all Jews gave if all
even frum Jews gave actually gave
ma'aser there wouldn't be any any poor
frum people.
>> no problems. We'd cover all the
problems. Right. But it would be enough
to cover everything. So that I am very
passionate about that and just getting
people to give and give people put
actually put ma'aser aside. And the
easiest way to do that is there's so
many I remember like five years ago I
looked into donor advised fund and there
was like a $25,000 I think it was
$25,000 minimum to put in these at the
time whatever I looked into. I was like,
"I don't have 25,000 Maybe I give that
in a whole year or two year whatever at
the time." But I was like, "I I don't
have that kind of money I could put
aside." So then I was like, "Oh, I don't
have it." And then that caused me not to
give as much.
When these donor fund and and Pledgeur
OJC and when when they when they they're
doing such a good service cuz now it
costs nothing.
You can open up and give 20 put $25. And
my kids I I actually I want to when when
my kids
have started getting job whatever, I
want them to have their own cards
and start it. There's no minimums.
Um and just do it because when you put
the money aside, guess what happens?
It's You already put that tzedakah money
aside. Now it's like where do I want to
have the biggest impact?
>> purposes it's already counted as if you
gave it as tzedakah even though it's
just sitting in your OJC account, your
Pledgeur account.
>> Yeah, but I'm not even talking about
taxes. I'm talking about much higher
Yes. Yes, the benefit of the taxes
but it's it's so great because every
time you get asked, you're not like
again? Somebody's again? You know,
you're like, "Okay.
Is this a good use of my tzedakah money
or do I want to give to something else?"
And And some And even if it's not
sometimes Okay, so I'll give $36, $72
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So for those listening who don't know
what the word ma'aser means, it's
tithing. Tithing. Tithing. I didn't know
how to pronounce it. Tithing or tithing.
10% of your income to charity. Now for
everybody who's listening who's a frum
Orthodox religious Jew
to me my impression of ma'aser is it's
not even ours to keep. Doesn't belong to
us. Belong to God. He gave you $100. $10
belongs to him.
He gave it to you. Go give it out to
charity. It's not even yours to keep.
>> That's right. And it boggles my mind. I
mean
I I don't know when I started giving
ma'aser tithing.
Um it's just I like to me I'm I I I try
to already give a fifth chometz. Yeah.
Um it's very There are months where like
we're not sure if we could cover our
credit card bill. And my wife spends
$200 a week on groceries. Like we're not
big splurgers or spenders. My wife is
very She looks for what's on sale.
It's nerve-racking. Yeah.
But I try to push myself cuz giving
brings in abundance. Yeah.
It's just if you give you get like it's
just You'll see it. Try it. If you're
listening
>> Yeah. Try it. That's right. It's just go
in. Just do it.
>> You're You're getting pumped up.
>> Yes, do it. This is I'm telling you I'm
so passionate about giving.
And um
but I but I but I wasn't always like
this. I wasn't always like this. I just
um When did it happen? When you give it
like
Um How did you morph into this like
Well, I'm in the world now of giving and
so like
>> [clears throat]
>> Do you want me to tell the story of how
Daily Giving started? Let's go into
Daily Giving. How did the idea come to
be?
The idea came to be I was minding my own
business. Like I said, I I had a very
busy practice. Um I was getting home
>> find you? If somebody What what
specialties of of of
in chiropractic? Yeah, do you focus on?
Are you good at? Do people come to you
for? Where are you located? Just a plug.
That camera right there. Thank you. Um I
practice in White Plains, New York. I
have one office. Okay.
Um and I treat pain. I'm a pain
specialist. So
car There's a lot of different
specialties among chiropractors, but if
you're in pain whether it be neck pain,
back pain, headaches, TMJ, plantar
fasciitis in your feet, tennis elbow,
frozen shoulders, if it's pain not
caused by cancer, not caused by
diabetes, not caused by something And by
the way, we as physicians are trained to
recognize like on the way here I got a
patient who I've been treating for many
years and he called my cell phone and he
said, "I'm having tingling um you know,
pins and needles in my legs."
Which is not an uncommon thing. You
know, I treat Right. Exactly. Right. So
I asked him another question. I said,
"Is that the only place you have it?"
And he says, "No, I actually have it all
through my all through my body." I'm
like, "All through your body?" I was
like, "Your shoulder? You're getting
tingling? Your hands?" He's like, "Yeah.
I'm getting it all over. And you helped
me so much in the past. I just want to
come for one of your treatments." And
I'll tell you what treatment in a
minute. So I actually started talking
within seconds. I'm like
I You have to You have to go to your
primary care doctor first. You got to
get some blood work.
Um you might need to see a neurologist.
You know, I'm not trying to worry you. I
explained like there's a lot There's a
million You got Lyme disease. There's
There could be a million different
reasons you have what you're what you're
describing, but it's not
your your your former your herniated
disc in your L4 L5 that I've treated
successfully for many years in the past
and you come back and you had it
whatever
would not cause your hands to go numb
and tingly, right? Would not cause your
shoulder. So I was like, "We got to do a
little bit more exploring." So, you
know, go to your primary care primary
care doctor first thing and get the
blood work. Um see if he thinks you need
to see a neurologist. If they clear you,
come back to me." Right? So
um
you know,
we're responsible, right? We're We're
Some doctors are not We're portal of
entry doctors which means you we have to
be responsible to diagnose. When
someone's in pain, we have to rule out
cancer. Cancer can cause pain.
We have to rule out cancer. Like so in
my patients my my practice when patients
come in, everyone's I have cancer it's
like in my head I rule out cancer.
Right? So like you don't think of that.
I don't tell my patients that. I'm not
like worrying them, but
in my years of practicing I've had many
patients who I had red flags for cancer
and I would send them for MRI and sure
enough I was right or whatever. Um and
then some sometimes
I don't suspect cancer, but I send them
for MRI cuz I treat a lot of bulging
herniated discs. That's my main
specialty. I treat a lot of sports
injuries. I treat a lot of athletes. I
treat professional athletes. It's been
really like a fun thing. Um but my main
main specialty I wrote a book on it is
on bulging herniated discs. Really
severe problems. Like people who are
suffering with sciatica and they're
considering surgery, I prevent surgery.
I'm the guy you want to go to if you
want to prevent neck or back surgery.
That's kind of our reputation. People
come from all over the world for us to
treat them for severe neck and back
problems. And we also treat people who
just like their back goes out and then
they come in and then we get them better
really quickly. Um so that's that's kind
of in a nutshell. Thank you for for
asking. That's what we do in our
practice and um our reputation we we get
people better fast. We're honest, we
have integrity. If we can't help you, we
send you out send you elsewhere. What's
the name of your website? It's joint
effort chiro.com.
It's a long domain. Yeah, but people
Google us and they find us, you know.
>> Right. JEC. Joint effort. Yeah, but
Jonathan Donath Chiropractic
>> Joint effort chiro.
Play on words.
>> .com. You like that? You like that?
>> Yeah. Um okay, so how did Daily Giving
come to be?
Um Daily Giving came to be um 7 1/2
years ago.
I
someone one of my friends told me about
a near-death experience video that he
watched on YouTube. And even though I'm
kind of I was kind of always intrigued
by near-death experiences, in my head I
don't I don't think I ever watched any
or heard about it, but like it always
like intrigued me. So when he said there
was a rabbi who had a near-death
experience and he's got an incredible
video on YouTube, you should watch it. I
was like, "Hmm, I was intrigued." Okay.
And then I went on it was like 2 hours
like 2 hours. So I start watching.
10 minutes here, 20 minutes there. I
guess it it kept my attention and to
this day it's I could not recommend it
more for for people to watch it. It's
actually changed my life a few times. I
watch I I hadn't watched it First of
all, it had this very big impact on me
that led me to start Daily Giving. But
then
I realized like 5 years in I had never
watched it again. Just that one time.
I'm like, "Let me watch it again."
Blew my mind the second time and then I
had another realization the second time
that also like changed me.
So
you could Google or go on YouTube. It's
Rabbi Alon Anava.
Um there's many he's he's told this
story many times about his near-death
experience. But basically Rabbi Anava
who has a long beard and looks like a
rav cuz he is a rav and he lives in
Safed. Um he has hundreds of thousands
of followers now and he was a secular
Jew. And he says, "I wasn't just a
secular Jew." He had tattoos, he had
piercings.
>> 105,000
followers on YouTube. Right. That's
2,000 videos. Yeah. So I'm just Yeah,
you could look up his you you his
videos, but um
the video is of his He's had actually
multiple near-death experiences, but the
first one um
I could I could send it to you put it in
show notes if you want, but essentially
um he said I was a secular Jew. He's
like, "I wasn't just a regular secular
Jew." He's like, "I davka ate
cheeseburgers on Yom Kippur."
He says, "I had I would have a a pig
barbecue and I would waft the smell to
my neighbors on purpose." He's like,
"That's the kind of Jew I was." Oh my
god.
>> Okay.
And he was a criminal, he went to jail
at one point and whatever.
>> name is Anava, which in Hebrew
translates into hum- hum- uh humility.
>> That's right. So um
he died of a drug overdose. And this
2-hour video What?
>> he came back to life obviously, but in
this video
he explains and I'm I'm just giving one
part of the video, but basically he was
in this black abyss of complete pain and
suffering. What felt like 2 billion
years he describes.
2 billion years. He says it was
eternity. He's like, "No, if I say
eternity, it doesn't even it doesn't
even like paint the picture properly."
He said it felt like 2 billion years. I
was just stuck in this black abyss of
nothingness of pain and suffering.
And the message I got was, "You don't
have one single mitzvah to elevate you.
Nothing."
Nothing.
And the message he got before coming
back to life was, "We are here for a
short time in this world
and we need to take action to help
others."
And
as soon as I finished that, I literally
cuz I told you I watched it over a
couple weeks, but I I finished it and it
was in the parking lot of my of my shul
in White Plains.
I walked into Marv
and I put [clears throat] a dollar in a
stucka box like we've all done thousands
of times in our lives.
And at the [snorts] moment I put that
dollar in a stucka box, I had an
epiphany. Now I've heard the word
epiphany before. I had heard of I never
I I never had one. I didn't know I think
till you have one I don't think you
really know what it means, but I would
say that whatever the definition of
epiphany is is that's what I had. Like
this this a lightbulb moment that no
matter how much money I give to stucka
I still get a mitzvah, a good deed for
this $1.
What a deal. I was like, "It's the
greatest deal ever." I was like, "How
can I guarantee I give plenty stucka,
but how can I guarantee that I do the
mitzvah of stucka every single day?
Right? What if I'm not in shul? What if
the whatever? Like right? So that's the
idea I had and I remember being so like
it was in my head it was like a
billion-dollar idea. I was like,
"What if
I could build a platform, right? To
automate giving so you can give a dollar
stucka every single day. Okay?" I ran
home. I started Googling it. I could not
find anyone who's automating daily
stucka giving.
Called up my website guy Shaul and I was
like, "Shaul, what do you think of this
idea?" He's like, "It's a great idea."
And then the crazy thing is I said I saw
this video of Rabbi Anava and he knew
who he was. I had never heard of him.
He's like, "Yeah, I'm a huge fan of
him." So that was like another like,
"Oh, like I'm right something here is
happening."
And I called up through my other best
friends. We started meeting. I don't
know the first thing about starting a
nonprofit. So we started having meetings
and how we're going to name the
organization build the web Shaul was
building the website. We have to get you
have proper 501c3. And then my next idea
was like, "Okay, I listen to a lot of
shiurim on TorahAnytime." So I was like,
"If Rabbi Pesach Krohn if I can get
Rabbi Pesach Krohn who just every shiur
he's talking about how wonderful
TorahAnytime is cuz he's broadcasting
his message throughout the world. It's
like if I can get Rabbi Krohn
to talk about Daily Giving on
TorahAnytime, I'm going to blow this
thing up."
So I got Rabbi Krohn's number
and [snorts] I remember calling him the
first time like my heart was like
beating out of my chest. I'm like, "I'm
going to speak to like the
like the voice of TorahAnytime."
And Rabbi Krohn picks up and has
beautiful conversation with him cuz
Rabbi Krohn is one of the most special
human beings in the world. He's
He's just amazing. He should live and be
well. His birthday was yesterday on Tu
BiShvat. Oh wow. Okay, I didn't know. Um
so um
I told Rabbi Krohn the idea and he's
like, "It's a great idea." He's like,
"No one's doing this?" I said, "Rebbi,
no one's doing this." So he says, "Okay,
you need to have a rabbinical council
because you need to have recognizable
recognizable names that people can trust
what you're doing because
otherwise people think you're taking
this money for your kids' college fund."
I was like, "That's a really good idea."
So we uh we formed a rabbinical council
of tremendous rabbonim. Can you share or
not?
>> Yeah, sure. Uh Rabbi Hershel Schachter,
shlita. Woah. Rabbi Moshe Twersky,
shlita. Okay. Rabbi Pesach Krohn
and uh Rabbi Shimon Greenburg, shlita,
who's my rav in White Plains.
And um to this day though that's the
rabbinical council and uh one of the
ways we've grown I'll get to in a
minute. I don't know if we even
described what Daily Giving is yet.
>> Yeah, yeah.
I'm curious, what are their
responsibilities and time involvement
being I guess which charities to
distribute to?
>> when when there's a whole we'll get I'm
sure we'll get to it like how we pick
the charities, but then you know, we go
to the the rabbonim approve all the
charities. Now they might not have heard
of the charities. So we go to them
with the with the different things. They
want to know which rabbonim are involved
with those charities. Like there's lots
of different things, right? So
um but let's say halacha questions or
certain things like for example
again, so let me just say what Daily
Giving is and I'll say halacha to it,
right? So what we did is we automated a
platform to try to get people all over
the world to give $1 at least $1 of
stucka together every single day.
And every day we give the entire amount
of tzedakah to a different incredible
Jewish nonprofit. And [snorts] we like
to say it's a diversified portfolio of
tzedakahs. We give to over 100 different
tzedakahs.
Um
about half are in America and more than
half are in Israel.
And we give to orphans and widows and
poverty and cancer and special needs and
substance abuse and mental health and
kiruv and Torah and life saving and for
$1 a day you get to feel like you are
helping. First of all, we're giving over
$24,000 every single day. It goes up
thank god every day. But we're giving
that's over $8.8 million a year that
we're giving out a year now. And by the
way, we don't take a penny. 100 cents of
every dollar goes to tzedakah. We
fundraise separately for overhead. So
people say, "Oh, you don't have
overhead?" No, of course we have
overhead. And I we have five full-time
employees, right? Like we we give out
more money than most than many many size
mid-size Jewish federations, but we're
doing it at a fraction of the cost. But
even if there there is cost
we fundraise completely separately for
our overhead so that when people give,
they know that their full dollar is
going to the tzedakah organizations.
>> These five employees um do what?
Marketing?
>> Um
we have a COO who's Remember, I'm still
a full-time doctor. So even though I'm
the president CEO like and I'm you know,
I fundraise and oversee everything,
right? But my COO is like he's the
quarterback like every day. Like there's
people don't understand. There's 100
organizations we're giving to. We had
700 organizations apply last year to get
onto our to get our free money.
Right? Do you understand like like the
the operational nightmare of doing
proper due diligence and going through
that and then you know, then we have 20
we have over 24,000 givers from 51
countries. Guess what? They have
questions.
>> [snorts]
>> Right? Or people want to know. So like I
don't know how many I don't even know
the number now. 20, 30 requests come in
a day with questions. So we have a team
of some are volunteers, some are paid to
like answer the questions. Right. We
give out tax
you know, tax deductions. We We have to
self-audit every year. When you're
giving out more than a certain amount of
money for your 501c3, you have to
self-audit. So Roth and Co. It costs
like over I don't want to say what it
costs. It costs a lot of money to get
that piece of paper every year that says
you're kosher. You gave the money you
said you gave out. Right? This is just
some of the then we we do marketing. We
have a whole you know, we have director
of marketing, right? We grow. We want to
grow. We don't want to just be stagnant.
Right? Then we have the whole technology
side. Right? We're in some ways a techno
like technology. There's a lot of
technology involved. Like when you have
24,000 givers on a monthly subscription
Oh oh oh so let me say tell your givers
this, right? This is this is actually
why I started this cuz a halacha
question is we can't charge your credit
card every day.
If we would charge your credit card
every day, two things would happen. One,
it would really annoy you cuz your bank
statement every day would say Daily
Giving, right? For a dollar. But 30
cents when you charge a credit card,
there's two fees. There's the percentage
that every credit card charges and then
there's a
depending
but usually it's like 30 cents per
transaction.
So if you charge it for a dollar
30 cents is gone. So now you have now
you have 30% overhead when you're trying
to do that. So so the so the rabbonim
told us
I'm the shaliach every day.
>> this happen? This This is before when we
were starting. We had to decide how to
do it, right? Yeah, we had to Yeah, we
had to we had to realize we have to
charge So when you sign up, you have two
options. You sign up for a monthly
option or annual option. And every day
I'm your shaliach, I personally hit the
button, wire the money to the different
tzedakah every single day.
>> [snorts]
>> Um one organization every day. A
different organization every day. I
mean, yeah.
>> It started I think we started in 2019
with 36 organizations. Now we have over
100.
And so last year last year we gave out
over $100,000 to over 70 organizations.
Um this year we just in the in process
like like I said we had like 700 so
we've been we've been adding slowly
we've been adding more. We're still in
that process right now. We're not taking
any more applications right now. Um
we're closed for applications cuz it's
just it's been it's been quite a quite
an overwhelming We have a small team.
It's a really small team to do all this
proper due diligence because we pride
ourselves in picking the most amazing
tzedakahs. Now it doesn't mean
we say no to amazing tzedakahs also. It
doesn't mean it's like you can only
let's say
You know, for example, we give
Eim Time and Bonei Olam and Pua.
And we also give Right, so that's three
three organizations that do something
with infertility. So there might be
other organizations that are great that
do infertility but like we already have
We want to have a diverse portfolio,
right? So and we give to many many more
organizations than poverty, right? Like
we want to give like the majority of
tzedakah to like social welfare things,
people widows, orphans, people who just
don't have enough money to make ends
meet. Right. And we have a couple
organizations that um specialize in
helping people get jobs. We got We got
Misameach, we have L'man Achai, we have
Pamonim. Right? Good stuff.
>> Um right, so like it's a really and then
like we have something like Aleph, for
example. Oh wow.
>> Right? So like
Wait, Aleph? Aleph helps prison. It
helps families that say they There's a
big tzedakah in Israel called Aleph.
Yeah, right. So
it helps let's say someone God forbid
goes to jail. They spent all their money
defending themselves. The wife and
children, usually it's a man, right? The
wife and children are left with nothing.
They can't afford send to summer camp.
Like Aleph steps in and like helps the
family.
No one does like Right, like that's
different.
People don't even know it exists. One of
the greatest things about Daily Giving
besides the tzedakah besides the dollar
you're helping everyone is you learn
about new tzedakahs you never even heard
of. You're like,
"Wow." You know how many wows we have?
We have a lot of wows.
Where you learn about an organization
and you're like, "Wow." Karen Or in
Israel helps blind children with
multiple disabilities.
So take like Camp HASC We give to Camp
HASC also. Ha Ha Ha Ha Lifeline gives Ha
Lifeline, right? But Karen Or
helps These are like the Hel- the Helen
Kellers of the world. I don't know if
you know that Google who Helen Keller
was, right? But like she was blind and
deaf and like mute So like how do you
learn to communicate if you can't see
and you have multiple disabilities?
They're teaching these children
cuz you can In Karen Or's in Israel uh
and and by the way other other places in
the world come to learn from Karen Or.
Like how to deal how to teach a blind
child who is also autistic and also has
multiple What are other things? How to
how to communicate hit a button that
means yes to the mother and a yes and
no. Do you know what Do you know what
the difference is if you can communicate
yes and no?
Like can you imagine your child's five
and you have you have no idea what they
want? None.
They're changing like it's a trajectory
completely changes just from like a yes
or no. I'm getting chills, man.
>> Right? So you could have you could have
like Victor's Helping Hand. I don't know
if you know Victor's Helping Hand. Like
so someone God forbid dies and like
the what they didn't have life
insurance.
The the mother can't does How's she
going to pay her mortgage or her rent?
They just step in and they'll pay like
for 6 months
their rent or their mortgage.
You know, there's a process and they and
they and they and and they do and they
run it on a shoestring budget. Like
shoestring like someone covers their
overhead and like all the money people
donate goes to these things.
This is just
a couple examples.
>> and your database of charities that you
give to,
>> Yeah. can you please make a directory as
a resource for somebody going through
anything Yeah. and then you can make a
drop down. Okay, what what challenges
are you going through that you need help
with? Okay, here's three organizations
that help with that and then food or
rent or That's a good idea. We have like
so we're very transparent. We pride
ourselves on transparency. So if you go
to the website
>> doing, which one. Right. So now there's
100 but there you could people do ask me
all the time, "Hey, could you help with
this?" And I'll know cuz I know every
tzedakah that we give to.
>> organization I talk to for blank? Which
organization this? Right, so it's it's
it's a very it's a really interesting
point you made and I'm going to I'll
discuss it with my team but like right
now it's alphabetical and it has a
paragraph. So you can go on our website
and you see all the organizations we
give to and there's and you can a
paragraph about each one.
And you going to show it?
That's the calendar. So that's the
calendar but there's also that calendar
shows every day who got the money,
how much they got and you see it going
up as more people and that's what we
gave out. It's really fun to look at as
it just grows and grows, thank God. But
also there's another button that has
beneficiary organizations and you can
read about each one. Um but to your
point it's a good point. We can set it
up alphabetically. We could put it into
categories and then people can look at
the categories. They might Yeah, if
somebody needs help in whatever
situation they're in,
there are so many organizations you
don't you're not even aware of. Like you
need a wheelchair for Shabbos. Yeah.
Right. Right, yeah, so Like for cholim
or you know, etc.
>> Right. Right. So so exactly. It's a it's
a it's a nice it's really nice point and
I think that I forgot to tell another
really central thing that we do is that
every day all our givers get an email
that tells them who got the money that
day, Okay.
>> how much we gave them, how much we've
given to today so like 29.3 million
whatever I think 29.3 million dollars.
We gave $24,105
to whatever it is that day, a a
paragraph about that tzedakah, a video
about that tzedakah.
Like Misameach L'eim, one of the
organizations one of the This is many
years ago called me up and said, "We
couldn't figure out why one day there
was like
eight different sizable donations came
through our website. We could not figure
out. We were asking all these people did
did someone do like a parlor meeting we
didn't know about it?" And we realized
that was the day that Daily Giving gave
and sent an email to all their givers
and eight people were so inspired by
what they did they went on our website
and they donated sizable chunks of
money.
Like
I grew up with single parents. So my mom
we used to get stuff from tzedakah like
for Yom Tov, Purim we got gift cards to
gift cards to Wow.
>> toy store. Yeah. Just even just just
when you say that I I immediately go to
we give to Links.
Links is for kids who are you know,
orphans. And we give to My Extended
Family which is like a big brother and
sister so if a single single mom
they don't know what to do. People
volunteer to like pick up their kids and
do carpool or like do some homework. You
have like an 18-year-old that's really
good at math and they volunteer to do
some some chesed. Do you know every
organization exactly what they do? Of
course. 100 different organizations? Of
course. Wow.
>> Yeah.
Wow.
It's impressive. I don't know if I had
that much brain space. I'm kidding. I'm
kidding. I'm looking at
>> It's what's really nice is that people
are starting to understand that because
we do this due diligence like people
take giving tzedakah seriously. So they
don't know not everyone is wealthy
enough to have their own gabbai
tzedakah.
So people are starting to look at Daily
Giving as their gabbai tzedakah. So
they're like actually we have people
there was a woman like just a few weeks
ago. She's an anesthesiologist in
Florida
and she's like,
"I want to give 10%. I don't Honestly, I
don't even think that woman was I don't
know I don't know if she's even
religious or not, right? It was It was
just Right. amazing experience. She
says, "I want to give 10%. I don't know
who to trust. I trust you. I like the
organizations you give to." She gives
$30,000.
Just sent in $30,000, right? And I see
that happening more
>> that long, 30,000 days? I see that I see
that um I see that more and more. No,
she plans She told me she plans to do it
next year also. But what do you do when
you get a sizable donation? She plans to
give 10 $30,000 next year, too. So 30
grand a day 365 Do you divide it by 365?
>> Correct. And that that would be how many
dollars we add.
Well, I'm looking now. Last week Today
Today's February 3rd. Yeah. Um January
31st you gave to Karen Or $22,091.
Friday, January 30th you gave to Karen
Na Shvi'is which
Dude, Love Karen Na Shvi'is. people
farmers in Israel who are not religious
are stopping to work their farms for a
year.
Yeah. Let me see you stop working for a
year and be calm and like Close your
Close your business for a year. Close
your restaurant. And then you're later
just opening up and yeah. The Chazon Ish
said if you want a bracha go to a farmer
who kept shmitta.
>> Yeah. So $24,078 to Karen Na Shvi'is.
Just life or yeah. Just one life.
>> Just one life, okay.
>> Helps with families who families who uh
they they get pregnant and they
financially they they want to keep the
baby but financially they just don't
have the means. So Just One Life comes
in they provide them diapers
>> Everything. Everything for the first
like 2 years or something. There's an
organization That's
I saw the aviation division. That was
last week Tuesday. Guard Your Eyes Ezri
Mitzion. This is like
So 24,000 20 Yeah, on average 24,000 a
I'll give you an idea. Ezri Mitzion we
also try to pick things
>> 100 grand in a week. Yeah.
>> It's amazing. Yeah. The satisfaction
rate for people who sign up for Daily
Giving they they all pretty much
everyone says it is my favorite tzedakah
inside a week. Because even cuz most
people are not going to stop giving to
Camp HASC or to give for their kids'
yeshivas because they're giving a dollar
a day to Daily Giving.
Right? And so but the greatest thing
we're doing
is the achdus.
Yeah.
>> What what more could Hashem want than
all his children every day coming
together to give to our brothers and
sisters who are less fortunate?
>> You're bringing closer Mashiach.
That's the goal. That's I really like I
want to I I say that with like full
meaning. Like think about what more
could Hashem want? We have completely
secular Jews that give. We have the most
Chassidic Jews every everything in
between. I remember once I was in once
at a Project Inspire Shabbaton
and um this gentleman came up to me who
was who who
his English wasn't even so good. His
Yiddish He was his Yiddish was clearly
his first language and he showed me the
email that he was a Daily Giver with the
biggest smile on his face that he was a
part of it. Like it just
you know,
>> [snorts]
>> it's we help everybody.
Um and it's yeah, it's uniting. It's
uniting all Jews and like that's what I
that's what we're all about. That's what
Hashem wants. He wants his brother He
wants his sons and daughters to get
along. That's it. What do What do we
want as parents? How much pleasure does
it give when our kids get along? How
much does it upset us when our kids
don't get along?
You think Hashem is not the same way? So
we and it's it's not easy. If you think
about how hard it is to get people Jews
to do anything together. Like sign a
piece of sign sign for free. Just sign a
document, whatever. You can get 24,000
Jews to sign a document. That's not so
simple. Right. You have 24,000 Jews of
all type from 51 countries they give
tzedakah together. It's
Yeah.
So what was it like in the beginning?
How did you find the right people to
join the rabbinical board and yeah, what
were those early days like? The early
days were a challenge. It's still a
challenge. But different challenges now.
Different challenges, but um the
rabbonim we asked all said yes, they
wanted to be at the beginning.
>> who to ask? We wanted to pick rabbonim
from different slightly, you know,
slightly different worlds.
Um
you know, you know,
you know, I don't know if I should say
that.
Different some different worlds. I mean,
we we probably should have had a
we could have probably at the time and
we still might pick up bring a Sephardic
rabbi on, you know,
a dati leumi rabbi from Israel maybe on,
a Chassidic rabbi on, like
Right.
>> so we we didn't pick we didn't get all
the diversity of the rabbonim on there,
but you know, certainly names that
people trust.
Um and you know, that's worked. But but
what was really hard at the beginning is
that the months leading up to Daily
Giving
What was day one? When did it When did
it launch? January 1st, 2019. Okay.
And leading up I was so excited. I
actually remember the Rosh Hashanah
before. Yeah. So we're talking like
September or October, right? Like
leading up to 2000 in 2018.
>> How long were you planning for this
already? That was in November.
>> Like 6 months. It was like took about 6
months. We probably could have gone live
like end of November we were ready, but
we're like, okay, tax purposes like
let's just just wait till January 1st,
2019, make it clean.
And that's what we did.
And I was so excited because everyone I
told the idea to they're like, that's a
no-brainer. Of course I'll sign up.
Everyone. So
I thought
I thought we'd have thousands of people
within days. I thought in the first year
we'd get like 10,000 people to sign up.
I really did. I was so naive.
And it was such a rude awakening that
within like a week after just telling
every person I personally knew and like
maybe 100 people signed up.
>> sign up? Maybe like 100.
The first week like maybe 100 people
signed up.
>> That's not bad.
It isn't, but When your expectation was
10,000 you're
>> is that I know I know a lot of people,
right? So when I sent this out I sent
this out to 500, 1,000 people, whatever
it was, and like 100 people signed up.
And fine, okay, I understand like not
everyone's going to do it not everyone's
going to do it now, that's fine. But
then it was like, okay, what now?
Okay.
>> What now? So again, I had a, you know, a
little bit, okay, talk to trying to get
rabbonim to talk about us, but like it's
very hard when the rabbonim see like
there's like 100 people. Like they don't
Right. They won't like, okay,
>> much of an impact.
>> Not like that, but everyone's like it's
like the everyone told me later
like this is the oldest trick in the
book. I had like 15 executive directors
of nonprofits tell me they're like,
we'll be honest with you. Like now that
like it's it's take a like maybe like
year three they started telling me this.
They're like,
by then we were giving like $5,000,
$6,000 a day.
And it was real money.
And they said,
when you first called us and said what
you want to do and like will we be on
board to take your free money? We're
like, sure, okay, but then we we was
like this this guy's out to lunch. Like
everyone knows that if we could just get
all our donors, our 3,000 donors, our
7,000 donors, our 2,000 donors to just
give $30 a month, that like will cover
our entire budget. If we could just do
that. Right. And so many, many
organizations try that. Trying to get
their donors to just give like sign up
for $30 a month plan.
And everyone has said was an epic fail.
And so I think one of the things that we
did that was so attractive to people
is the intention always was we want to
give like we want people to do the
mitzvah and feel like they're doing the
mitzvah of tzedakah every day.
So that every day is a different
organization and we tell them
the amount of people in the in the years
of doing this that tell me how much
they're like CEOs are like, I get 10,000
emails a day. I can't get through all my
emails, right?
But I always open my Daily Giving email.
Always. Because it makes me feel good.
People want to feel good.
At the end of the day, giving makes you
feel good. It makes you feel really
good. Life is hard.
Life is hard and we're hard on
ourselves. As humans we are very hard on
ourselves. There's so much negative
self-talk we all have. And then all of a
sudden Daily Giving you look at your
email which is
half the day is telling you things you
don't want to hear. And I was like,
like, thank you for your donation.
You're like, oh, yeah, I gave today. I
feel good.
Right? So it feeds that part of us.
Giving the biggest beneficiary of giving
is yourself. Not that you should give
because I'm going to give so that I
Right.
>> it'll happen, but but becoming a giver
is so important. That's why Hashem made
it so hard for us. That's why there's
such s'char to give tzedakah. Because we
work so hard for money. There's like
there's like an element and then there's
always the question, do do we have
enough? There's so many barriers to
give. Can we even trust the
organization? Do we have enough? Right?
Like
you know, how do I decide what's the
best way? There's and then and then by
that time we're like, okay, I'm not
going to give.
You know? And it's and it and it
benefits us so greatly. So
I think that's why Hashem made it so
hard because it it benefits so much for
us. It's like emunah. Like once Mashiach
comes and like it's like, oh,
we don't have to like, yeah, emunah is
that leap of faith. It's the same thing.
Like once once Mashiach comes like,
okay, there's no
doesn't matter where you can't you can't
you can't you can't oh, now I have
emunah. No, it's obvious now. Same thing
same thing with giving tzedakah. Like
it's it's hard. It's really hard for us
to do and the benefits are so good.
What um what type of pushback did you
face if any?
Um
you know, I just
slightly pushback slightly to answer
your question before to just finish like
what was like the hard I think the
biggest challenge was getting people to
sign up.
So after that first couple weeks it was
like no one was signing up. And I had I
had I got this idea in my head that like
I need to grow by at least one person
every day. At least as long as I could
just have momentum and someone signing
up every day and the numbers go up.
Just do that.
And so every day by like 9:30 at night
if no one signed up I'd look through my
phone and I'd start calling people.
Sometimes people I haven't spoken to
since high school, sometimes whatever.
And I would call them and I would tell
them about it.
And they're like, oh, great, it's a
great idea. I was like, can you sign up?
They're like, yeah, I'll sign up. I'm
like,
can you sign up now? Like today before
midnight, you know? And they're like,
why? And I'd tell them and like they
would. And I I would get them to. And it
was just every day. Every day. One at a
time. One at a time. One at a time.
And then
um
and then we get a couple breaks. Like,
you know, uh Rabbi Krohn would talk
about us. We got Rabbi Zechariah
Wallerstein to talk about us. I remember
the the first time Rabbi Wallerstein
spoke about us. He has like a weekly
shiur.
And I don't know, maybe we had hundreds
of people sign up at the time.
And he gave us I think it was like a
Wednesday night shiur.
And I remember then it goes on Torah
Anytime, right? So then it's like not
just the people right like he's got a
huge amount of people following. And I
remember like my phone just going new
giver, new giver, whatever. New giver,
new giver, new giver. And I was like,
it was like one of the
the excitement I had. It was like new
giver, new giver. And I think like 115
people signed up that night. In one
night.
Now if you you understand like that's a
lot till this day. If 100 people sign up
in for one thing it's a lot.
Right? Because
it's just so hard. So but like people
might listen to this podcast and be
like, oh, it's a great idea. I'll like,
oh, I'll sign up. And even if they 100%
mean to sign up
if they don't pause this video and sign
up immediately
there's like a 99% chance they won't do
it.
Now maybe they'll hear about it a year
from now or 6 months from now and be
like, oh, yeah, I wanted to and then
they'll do it. That's possible. Like
even marketing, right? Like they say you
know, marketing sometimes people need
seven or eight touches before they do
it. But that's what we see. I remember
the first year I went to AIPAC
um and I went there and I brought I
printed 1,000 business cards for Daily
Giving and I gave out every single one.
And I did not like put them on people's
chairs. I only handed them out after
having having a full conversation with
someone. I'd be like, here.
>> 1,000?
>> 1,000. There was three
>> How many did you give out? I gave out
1,000.
You had 1,000 conversations?
>> Yeah, in 3 days. To feel comfortable to
give them a card. Yeah, 1,000
conversations. No, so I'd go up to a
table full of 10 people and be like, can
I interrupt you while you can I just
entertain you while you're eating your
lunch? And I would go around, right? And
I would give my, you know, whatever my
spiel. And they're like, wow. And then I
had at least 100 I'm telling I'm
at least 100 were like,
no-brainer. I'm in. I'm in. This is
awesome.
Give them a card. At least 100 of the
1,000 said that. Guess how many people
signed up?
Out of the 1,000?
Oh.
>> And over 100 that were like 100% I'm
doing it.
Uh now that you said that I'm going to
think 10. Six. Six people? Yeah.
I've learned so much over the years. So
now like I go to Camp HASC, I'll go to
Camp HASC. Six people?
>> Yeah. So now like
>> Not even like I'll be in person, I'll
talk to them someone and then they're
like and I know I know it's like someone
was like, wow, that's a cool idea.
That's a really smart Do you push them
to do it now?
>> I push them to do it now. I'm like, no
pressure, but I'm just telling you
the answer is very strong when it comes
to tzedakah. That's just What Okay, what
type of pushback did you get?
I don't think I got a lot of push I
don't think I got a like too much
pushback. Um
there were there were people that said
it's not going to work, but you know,
like that didn't that didn't oh, the
even you asked me earlier in the
conversation like
I think that one of the skills that
really served me well as a chiropractor
in building my own business was not
being afraid to fail. And not being
afraid not just failure, but not being
afraid to hear no. Okay. So when I was
deciding what kind of doctor I wanted to
be
I was thinking about orthopedic surgery
and I had the grades to get into medical
school and I thought about it, but I was
like, wait, that's so long. It's so many
years, right? Um
and when I decided to be a chiropractor
I remember calling my uncle up who's an
infectious disease doctor and he's like,
>> Interesting.
>> And and and he was and he was much older
and and like again, chiropractors
evolved a lot through the years and so
much so much more research being
a much more well-respected than it used
to be. But just it was so interesting
cuz he was he like, you sure you want to
be a chiropractor? Like why don't you go
be like a PA or something which is again
physician's assistant which is a great
job. But like
I wanted to be a chiropractor. I wanted
to help people. I knew what it was going
to be like, you know? I didn't do it
because I didn't have the grades to get
into medical school. Like and there are
chiropractors that go to chiropractors
cuz they don't have the grades to get
into medical school. So what I what I
realize now is that every skill that
Hashem gave me like the the the the
stick-to-itiveness, the relentless
pursuit that when when when when people
say no, I'm not interested or they or or
they say I don't believe in chiropractic
like like chiropractic is a religion
they don't believe in. Like whatever.
Okay, say what you want. Like I'm not
going to like get bent out of shape.
Um but that was that was so integral to
starting Daily Giving cuz there were so
many times in the first couple months
that I just wanted to stop.
But I remember the moment that I had
that epiphany and like
you know,
no, I I think you know, and and I think
that Hashem wanted this to happen and
I'm just going for it. I'm just going
for it. I'm going for it. And then it it
took a it took a long time and then
slowly and then COVID hit after right
after our first year.
We got a thousand people to sign up in
2019. Like literally almost the number
of a thousand.
And then February March of 2020 COVID
hit.
And even the people that I would call
like there was one rub that I called
that I asked to be on the only one rub
said no to be on the biblical council a
really really famous rub.
And he he said he didn't get it. He he
lives in Brooklyn. He's like every day
at minion there's like 10 people come up
to me who like I give a dollar to. So
he's like I don't get it like people I
give way more than a dollar a day.
Right.
>> Not realizing that there is a whole
spectrum of spectrum of of of Jewish guy
that's not giving a dollar not giving
stuck every day. So I could completely
understand where he was coming from.
But then all of a sudden what happened?
Literally shuls got closed down. Okay.
Schools got closed down people's regular
daily reminders get stuck up close. You
you said when we started that you'd ever
imagine a shul that you couldn't go to a
minion.
Right. That's
something like that's impossible. It
would be impossible in our minds before
COVID right? And so that really that
year was like amazing because people are
like wow.
I can remind I give it stuck every day.
I'm not going to minion every day and
it's my reminder and even to this day
like we give people think oh I give
stuck every day. Really? I'm not to your
shabbos do you have your wallet on you?
No.
So you might give six days a week cuz
you're a minion in the morning and you
really might be giving stucka but I'm
not to your shabbos you giving stucka?
We give for you even on three day yom
tifs. Now we don't give on yom tif
right?
>> advance? No afters. Afterwards. After
yom tif?
And every day when I'm when I'm hitting
the button I'm like this to be yosef
mitzvah stucka for all the daily years
for that day.
That's what I do when I give a stucka
every day.
You know so the rubanum said like that's
how you should do it. Have have in mind
that you're giving stucka to be yosef
mitzvah stucka for that day.
So we got you covered. We got you for
the dollar a day. We got you covered.
Right. Of 365 365 mitzvahs for 365
dollars. It doesn't get any better.
Right? And by the way Hasidim are the
biggest givers. They really are the
biggest givers. I've learned that. I've
seen that. Um Hasidim
at much like you know modern orthodox
and yeshivish Jews give a lot of money.
Hasidim give more. That's what I that's
what I that's what I've seen. Okay. Many
it's like
in the yeah everyone gives stucka
everyone gives a lots of stucka. But I'm
just saying if I'm going to if I'm going
to talk about a group Okay. I find that
Hasidim give the most. Many Hasidim give
>> What do you think the reason would be?
give 20%.
If you need to think of a reason. The
reason I think it's more ingrained like
we all have our we all grow up a certain
way. There's only certain certain
things. I think it's obviously it's
obviously more ingrained as a very
important thing that we need to do.
Right. Right? So everyone talks about
you should of course you should learn
Torah every day but like what about
stuck every day? Right. I mean not every
day. Doesn't have to be doesn't have to
be every day. That's what we're doing
but like that doesn't have to be every
day but
Hasidim just it's it just and also I see
cuz Hasidim have more of their all
Hasidim have donor advised funds. They
all have these donor advised funds. They
all do. You go into the modern orthodox
world and yeshiva world it's not all.
It's growing. It's a higher percentage
but Hasidim all.
Really? For me it's just an easier way
to track my charity. Tax purposes using
I use OJC. Maybe they'll sponsor who
knows. It's a no brainer. Right. Yeah.
The sponsorship? No I'm kidding.
Yeah.
Uh it's just
you could put in $5,000 into your OJC
account on December 31st and it didn't
even go to charity yet. You didn't pick
which charity it went to. It says if for
tax reasons it's as if you already give
it to a charity. Yeah. It's amazing.
Yeah. It's amazing. Um you can set up
monthly distributions or whatever. Um
>> [snorts]
>> as we're getting closer to the end of
this amazing conversation
um
how would you say
how would you differ growing your
chiropractic trademark versus growing
another profit daily giving?
I mean some of the same skills
were involved in terms of like the just
stick-to-itiveness and the relentless
and not failure not being an option.
Mhm.
>> there's that famous like comedian that
said like someone asked this famous
comedian how did you make it to this
level and he said the biggest the best
advice I can give you is failure cannot
be an option. Like if you go into it
with with the
there is no second option. Right.
That is that's a very important skill to
have for an entrepreneur. All or nothing
right? So I think that's really really
important and that helped with my
practice and helped with daily giving.
It was all or nothing. I was like just
the failure was not an option.
Um
so that was
say your question again did I answer
your question?
>> you see any differences growing the two
different businesses?
Any differences? Um One had more
challenges in a certain area. Yeah I
think they both have challenges. You
know I think that
>> a lot more overhead than in the
chiropractic Yeah I mean yeah there's
more I mean there's more overhead for a
global non-profit giving right now. Like
right certainly a lot more overhead but
um
finding good people like good people.
Like I have such an amazing team at
daily giving. Um
you know and I think it's really
important also just for the nature of
your podcast and who you're who you're
who you're asking. I I think that I
think what a lot of entrepreneurs do is
they hire people they like that actually
have a lot of similar skills than they
do themselves and that's a big mistake.
Right? So um my CEO Friedner for example
we could we we could not be more
different. And it took me a little while
to realize like it's like the perfect
it's like a match made in heaven like
>> So how what He's a systems guy and I'm
not I'm like a vision guy like and he's
and and like so we were
>> you hire him?
Um I had a great consultant who taught
me this.
How do you show there?
>> And and really balance each other out to
not not and that's been like we actually
do personality tests
a lot of our employees before even
before we hire them. For the
chiropractic or both?
>> No not for the chiropractic practice. I
know I probably should but it's not it's
a smaller operation. You know like
really my focus is more on growing daily
giving. My practice thank god is busy
enough where I have referrals and people
come in every day and I don't really
focus on growing it. It just thank god
it's it's busy enough. Okay. Um with
daily giving we're constantly looking to
grow and constantly looking to you know
to get more people to to join.
Um and so we we do this particular one
is called a PDP. It's like a 10 minute
personality test and it's like amazing
what you could learn from that. So you
could so before when we when we're going
to hire someone we look at it what are
the skills needed in that in that for
that position. And then we give the
people in
um interviewing that we're really
serious about hiring cuz it costs money
so we're not going to like give it to
everyone but we have them take that test
and then we could see you know are they
a good fit for that position. Someone
could interview really well so someone
could have great things. They could even
have done that for another company or
non-profit right? But then you realize
that that's not like we've learned the
hard way. We don't have an office. All
our employees are remote.
If you have a remote office and even
though there's accountability people
have bosses
you need self-starters. Right. You need
people that like when when no one's
checking on them they're like okay and
they and they finished one task like
they're they're looking for the next
task to do not being wait to be told
what the next task is.
So you learn these things over time like
what you need and
it means different if you're a remote
office versus an in-person office all
these different things. So um these are
the things you learn over over years.
Like I've learned so much. I'm
constantly learning which I love Right.
>> cuz I'm I'm just one who likes to learn
in general. I love reading books. I love
books. To elaborate on that
me during creating almost five years
I've worked we've worked with every size
business. One of the biggest mistakes
hiring managers make is not knowing what
they want. What sorry not knowing what
they need in a employee for a certain
role. They'll be like yeah we need a
bookkeeper. Okay fine but do you need
somebody who
a certain personality somebody's
extremely detailed but might be a little
bit more slower or someone who's crazy
fast and might be able to fix their
mistakes a little bit down the line.
Like figure out this personality test. I
like what you said. First you figure out
what you what type of person you're
looking for and you put that criteria
into the test and build a test around
that and then you give it to the
employees. Really helps a lot. Yeah
people people don't realize. Um [snorts]
and just cuz again it's I I love this I
love this one um saying that I've used
this many times but Rabbi Paysach Krohn
has a has an equation. It's SW cubed
over N. So it's SW three times SW cubed
over N. It means some will
some won't so what next.
Cute. Isn't that great? And I think it
applies when I go speak to like when I
go to camp Haskel speak to the 20 year
old counselors and stuff like that. Like
it just it's just an amazing thing to
get that into your head. It doesn't
matter what you're doing in life cuz we
all have to sell something. We're
selling ourselves an interview. We go to
interview for a job or we have our own
business or whatever it is. You're
always selling yourself. Not always but
like there are times in your life you're
going to have to.
And some will like what you have to sell
what you're selling what you're doing
what you're whatever it is. Some won't
like it. But so what? Like you have to
be strong in here and if you get bent
out of shape every time someone says no
to you
you're going to have a hard time you
know? So
Oh yeah I think my final question um
what are things
what are some things employees should
think about that should make them last a
very long time as an employee instead of
jumping around?
When when you're looking at employees
you fired many people over your career.
Yeah. You had your practice for over 20
years. What are some things some
qualities that you've noticed in your
employees that have been with you for a
very long time that just I think that
you want employees that feel aligned
with your mission. Right? So if it's my
chiropractic practice I want employees
that like helping people that have
empathy. Cuz if they have empathy
they'll come in
Took some time though.
>> It took some time. You're right. If I
think about it it took some time. Even
an office manager you're looking for
certain skills in office manager but
that office manager is front facing with
people in pain every day and if they
don't have empathy
and they don't know that a smile on
their face. Right. So I always always
though even in the beginning I always
hired people with people skills and
warmth. That was more important than if
you worked in another doctor's office
before. I could train you to do what I
need you to do in my office. I can't
train warmth. I can't train empathy. I
can't train people skills. So that was
that was always but I did make a mistake
of I could have been better at
focusing on that even more. Meaning yes
you're you have good people skills but
just cuz you have good people skills
doesn't mean you have empathy and that
you're warm.
So that's something that I learned over
time. And with daily giving I think that
what we're doing thank god as you've
been able tell is like it is really
truly amazing. Um [snorts] and actually
I look at it now as a little bit like
it's a nice cuz now that I'm not naive
and I and I understand how hard it is to
get
>> of it. 24,000 people to give stucka like
no matter what I did, Hashem wanted it
to be successful and it wanted to take
off. Nothing I did could have Right. It
wasn't me, right? Like I realize now
like what a nice it is. And that's what
one of the great things like it really
is it's a nice. And so but we're also
just scratching the surface. Like I
truly believe like the the night I had
the idea this I'm like okay, if 1% of
all Jews sign up for daily giving,
that's 52 and a half million dollars a
year. Right. Like I refuse to believe I
can't get 1% of the Jews sign up for
daily giving. So we're we're we're only
at 24,000. Like we haven't even started,
you know?
>> didn't scratch Yeah.
surface. Good stuff. Okay. Uh sign up
today at dailygiving.org. Yeah, thank
you. You could do it's monthly, you pay
$31 or yearly It's 32.60 a month or 380
for a year and that literally all that
extra, you know, dollar or you know, the
dollars goes to is to pay the credit
card fee and the platform fee. Meaning
it does not go to pay any of our
overhead, doesn't pay for marketing.
Everything we do, every employee, every
dollar we spend, we fundraise completely
separately for that. So whatever 32.60
allows us to give 31 a dollar every day
for you, the full dollar.
Wild stuff. So sign up today. That's
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