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HONORING AN OLDER BROTHER (& SISTER) - OR JUST THE OLDEST - Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner
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says,
"We spent a lot of weeks.
But
[Music]
to be
your father is if a person's father
remarries. So it's not your mother
anymore. It's your stepmother. Still
a father's wife.
a mother's husband that's in the mitzvah
of Yeah. Like the Gomorrah says clearly
the gar that it's the
then the garra is and the garra says
he's an additional
the additional v
is to be mar
it's interesting
Why the V is extra
the S. It could have said
so didn't have to say
but but had to say regardless of
the Gar says that he's
to be
older brother.
The first Shila is is the
older brother
or
the Gomorrah spells out clearly when it
comes to stepmother stepfather that it's
what's about
a person has an older brother
says your older brother is it of
The ram is not the same.
>> What say the same?
>> So you want to know why is it that as a
stepfather to mother that's the garra
says it's so should be the same thing.
Very good. We'll see. We'll go through
step by step why it should be a
different why it should be different.
You're saying it should be the same
thing. So let's first take a look in the
why it should be different. Very good.
Speak about it.
The Rambam in Hus in Hus. The Rambam
says first the Rambam brings the
of being a stepfather and a stepmother
and then the Rambam is
and the Rambam says
which which means
a person is older brother. Now right
away the no on the Rambam explain the
cast the the
Mishna that the Rambam has all over it's
famous in Kadian that the Rama calls
Kenyan
even though it's a dash the in beginning
of Kadian the Rambam calls something
that's not in the Torah
but it's really
to be older brothers
this that calls him because it's not
it's just with a s of
and what's about a stepfather and a
stepmother over there didn't call it
only the second of the starts
as a
stepfather stepmother stepmother
stepfather
our older brother
means
so what's the
also so why doesn't the whole should say
that
stepfather and a step
and they say that s is like it says
mafurish
evolve is not
all
the is bothered and he says they're both
the
something that's not the is called is
anytime it's a so what's the if it's a
whole word or if it's just the ice
and mainly he says like this he says
that there's a between the mitzvah of a
stepfather and a stepmother which that's
going to be why should be and of older
brother
a stepfather and a stepmother
is
in the
when somebody's a stepmother
what's the what's the is father
like the gummor says we're going to get
to it soon but the gmorra says
he's
you only have
your father's wife. That's part of being
your father.
So,
the father's wife
that the Gmorrah says that
we're going to get to it, but he says
that
older brother even after the father's
ner
it's a new den. It's a new it's not the
If it's a new it's not the
new is not it's a
stepfather and a stepmother in the is
the
part of the
but the mitzvah is in the that's why the
doesn't call
the brothers a separate mitzvah
calls him
similar to
oh we'll see we'll see
similar 100% right we'll get to it even
says
yeah yeah but we're going to we're going
to go into more between
that's why the raom doesn't say
older brothership
So what do we have so far? Very clear in
one line. The mitzvah of being
is
the rabbs to call him from because it's
a
older brother
has an about it and in one sad
says says it could be that when the
Rambam says it's
the Gomorrah
the Gomorrah is talking about a
stepfather and a stepmother over there
the Gomorrah says it's the mash when the
Gomorrah says
these
the vom that these that hold that you
don't dash and evolve so I the gammor
says is it's not it's only.
So we have over here
could be it's the let's move along a
little more in this
the safer
in the beginning before he goes through
the minion mitzvah the ra has the ra
explains how did I get to the 613
mitzvah these different have other ways
how to get to the 613 mitzvah
would call him how he gets to the 613
mitzvah in Bamb
I only count the mitzvah only mitzvah
that it's foolish in the something
that's with a draw is not counted not
counted
that's why I don't count
because it's a
but it's not for the
mitzvah itself in the shish asks but the
mitzvah that do counter
from the mitzvah
why don't they also count in the mitzvah
They should also count
they ask also you should count also a
step as stepfather stepmother but why
don't they count
meaning to say is that even the raam
agrees that
but says I don't count
one of the mitzvah because it's not it's
not mafurish it's a
but the ones that count even a draw
many.
So the Ramban the Ramban comes to answer
this the sh of the ra the mitzvah I
think the counts
why doesn't he why don't they count
the first two are both that it's the
first he says
that sai a stepfather and a stepmother
and sab
older brother is only
we're going to get to it if it's or not
but and he says
so they didn't have it's not another
it's included it's a mitzvah it's a
mitzvah so is but we're still holding
that older brother is
older brother
the second he says
just like nobody counts
aim for two mitzvah theory says
is that two mitzvah it's only one
mitzvah that's
not a let's say the Torah would
It's not another mitzvah. It's all one
big mitzvah. How many people have it's
all included in the mitzvah?
So far we have clearly that
older brothers.
It's a mitzvah.
It's not a separate mitzvah. It's
included in the mitzvah. It's part of
it.
In the third term says the following.
You know why they don't count a
Russia with av
and we don't.
So the third shot on the mitzvah
is going to
the
says clearly that it's
but
the from
uses the
say it's
And
the first of the
is the
older brother even after the father was
we we spoke about but now we'll
does one's older brother if his father
is not alive. The ram that we brought
the raom is like by a stepfather and a
stepmother. The Ra says that your only
but then by the Ram speaks about over
there is not what seemed clearly that
the Rambam holds that
a person but even
the we just mentioned in one of the two
roots in the says the reason why they
don't count the don't count
because it's included Keep it off. Why?
Because there's no
So we have over here
if
older brothers and we now have
older brothers even the father was nifis
that the is if it's the mitzvah as we
saw before is a mitzvah of or it's a
separate mitzvah we'll get to that soon
also And
could the father be
could the father say
tell the younger son that he's doesn't
have to the older son if it's a it's if
it's
why would it be
because the father wants that the
younger brothers the older brothers
The father wants that the younger
brother the older brothers the older
brother is it's that's
if it's the father could be if it's not
the father can't be
>> that's a good is asking even if it's
be even afterwards good shad
even after a person's father was nif
it's a good sh but one thing I do want
to say is you see
such a in the already because the gar
says by a stepfather and a stepmother
it's only and it's
somebody else that's
the father the father has to be around
to be able to appreciate
be a stepfather and a stepmother. Yeah.
What's the gather? What's the gather of
being older brother? Yeah. What's the
gather the haste?
We just came off saying that it's maybe
not.
What I mean what is the is
your older brothers
your older brother like like
when Jacob ran away from Asov and then
he sent
and he said uh
all this covered that Jacob gave to Asov
as you understand he was afraid
he did it
to say all this why
but also
when he says that
So if if the isl
okay so it's ku it's part of the k
however as we saw that is even
it's not of what's the vert
so you have to say
the post explain this your brother
like your father but it's not the same
way this is very important
says
older brother like a father
he says other even
older brother like or father
says
regardless what
older brother
it's not what we just learn now the
night long with
father
after doesn't say yeah
>> oh it doesn't say it doesn't say it's
very interesting in
he says that The the the reason why it's
not he says is that it's a gnai for the
father. It's embarrassing if you're
older brother like your father. It's a
gnai. So what?
So he says
to be
oh we don't know. doesn't say in the he
says
even the said it's
he says
what yeah it's not so clear it's not so
clear not so clear what yeah it's not
the same as but it's older brother
okay now we're going to get into
but two shy list that I feel a lot are
waiting for this. So we said
older brother
it's
even and we also saw that it's it's not
exactly like even if it's a
it's not a brother like a father
>> who pays for it brother or the father
>> you're saying if it's so it should be
the same then good then I didn't see
they should speak about Who pays for it?
Good to Santa Shila.
Is it only the oldest brother? Is it
only the oldest brother or is it all the
brothers above you?
>> Sister.
>> We'll get to that in a minute. Also, a
sister. Very good. We'll get to that
also. Is it only the oldest brother?
The
mitzvah means the oldest brother and if
he doesn't want you go down to the next
brothers the next brothers. What's the
is it? And we're seeing here.
Is it only the oldest brother or it's
all the brothers above you? That's a
mus
the
brings from
the
they quote that it's only the oldest
brother only the oldest brother the I'm
not sure if thehat is it needs to be the
or means he's the oldest brother what's
if there's a girl on top we we'll get to
we'll get to the sister in a minute. But
we're talking now brothers the oldest.
Does it have to be the back? The oldest
says that no holds that is for all the
older brothers.
He he brings the he says already that
it's not like that
older brothers
brings
from a medish rashi quotes this mish
when gave the brothers the his children
the
rash he brings the
so the sh is how do we know it was them?
So goes Rashi goes through the different
brothers and Rashi says maybe it was
no cuz they wouldn't have said anything
their older brother but you see that and
didn't mix in to
and when they had older brothers because
even though they weren't the oldest
Ruven was the oldest
older brothers Not only the oldest
brother, all the brothers above you.
So we have
all your older brothers are just the
oldest brother
>> and that right over there is the oldest
from the mother and the brothers
of
>> we'll get to that saying that wasn't
from the father and the mother. We'll
get to that in a minute.
And the mention doesn't say why we found
that doesn't have
you have a good point and we'll even see
we'll get to mish that point what you're
saying the concept of however however it
doesn't mean if there's no if not for
the
wouldn't have an opinion to say about
it was that they didn't get involved
because of
there is a concept there's a concept
we're going to get to in a minute the
sister
older sibling that that's regardless but
then
your older brother if it wouldn't be
that it's referring to all your older
brothers
they would have
would have got involved in the
what's about older sister
older sister
we see it's a only the oldest brother or
maybe it's all the brothers what about a
sister it's a
the brings on the page the
brings also from
that know that no that know
however
it doesn't mean that you're not you have
to be respectful to them. The Mishna
says the Mishna
a person in
so what we said before about the
but after they talk you could speak
even if there's no older system
but a to be respectful that's a
missionary novice
But it's not included.
>> What' you say?
The younger
talk.
>> I I I would I why not? It's interesting.
I'm sure you're asking if you ask your
older brother. If a younger child has
older brother when the older brother is
a cotton
what would make I mean he himself has
so if the older brother is a cotton why
why why would you say not cuz he's not a
bar
he's not a bar interesting interesting
shila interesting shil
interesting shil he's saying he's a
cotton it's not a bar cover you're
saying it's not he himself is not mitz
So what's about a sister? So we see over
here some say no
says from that older sister yes older
sister yeah it's included
and as well also says
older sister and he brings a from
the medish on the vata
zish
was nanash that she answered before
Leia. She was nash. Why was she nash?
Because she answered before her older
sister. So you see
your older sister
that it's only one sister to another
sister. He says it's a brother to her
sister as well. also
and they say it could be
her older sister but because she went
before it was a she was that's why she
was
soap
over here we have a mus about all older
brothers we also have a mus is about
older sister
just to be before we conclude just to be
mak
if the
older brother
if
even
the father the a person is older brother
we saw that the k is even if that's
included in but it's a a different type
of it's not the exact type of as a
father it's a little bit of a lower
level
if it's only the oldest brother or all
brothers above you
of older sister
and just to be Messiah
we spoke tonight about the the din the
den of being an older Father
just to conclude with a lotion
of the vash theash
goes on I'm going to take out mish one
or two lines to speak how important
older brother and
that were not careful of that and that's
that we're not we're not
also
cotton
what exactly which what's called
the cover and because there's no of
older brother
came
like the Torah says we should
day.