Historical Precedents and Future Visions

they're today's program additionally thank you to the ohyou professional and lay leadership in particular mr. Marsh Bain mr. Allan Fagan Rabbi Moshe Hauer of a David Pardo and Rob be a dear Posey for their unwavering commitment to the Jewish people today's presentation is dedicated as a referral emma for a complete recovery for all of those impacted by covin 19 or by any illness whether it be physical emotional or mental and for all of those affected financially may Hashem please send a healing for all of those who need it safeguard and protect all of us all of his people and creations and provide the financial stability for those in need it would almost delight to extend our blessings for all of those on the front lines combating this illness and thank them for all that they are doing for the betterment of mankind on behalf of the O you it is my great honor to introduce three very special rabbis each of whom I feel like great and personal connection with I was truly blessed and fortunate to grow up in a rabid bear Alliance community of sufferer in New York where in those early years he played a large role in my Jewish development as well as my desire to devote my life to Jewish communal work currently erupting wine is the director of the destiny foundation in addition to being the rug of Beit Knesset Hennessy in Jerusalem our second panelist dr. Jay Jay Schack their University professor of Jewish history and Jewish thought at Yeshiva University and I were colleagues at weiu center of the Jewish future a decade ago bura by dr. Schechter is the senior scholar and like all of you watching today I was and continue to be impacted by his great wisdom sensitivity and leadership moderating today's panel Robby Steven Lyle is the senior managing director of the Orthodox Union for many years now he and I have had the great fortune of working together in particular our many trips visiting Jewish towns in the back country of America south and I am constantly in awe of his brilliance for and timely perspectives on all matters so thank you for joining us and now it is my distinct honor to welcome rob a barrel of wine probably dr. JJ Schachter and robbery Stephen while and thank them in advance for being a part of today's program for all that they do on behalf of Omni Sorrell and with that I passed the baton for Rabbi while Novelli thank you very much on behalf of all of us that are learning and listening today we want to thank you enough Talley and Rabbi still cherish putting this program together as well as all the good people and why you I'm sorry at the oh you synagogue services and our community engagement today we have two giants rabbi barrel wine is taken a generation our generation and he taken us by the hand in understanding the Masada mentoring us giving us a context of whether it's Rebbe a new Tom and Rashi a context of rebbi akiva or whether it's the great Roman to see the Messiah in in the context of Jewish history the Jewish world rabbi barrel wine as you know was a great Russia Shiva where by barrel wine was one of the top synagogue rabbis in America for many decades but his legacy goes above and beyond his receiver goes above and beyond his shul he shaped rabbis educators and the laity of the Jewish world both here and in Israel and rabbi JJ Schechter if there's one person over the last three decades that has impacted the American Rabbinate in American communities it's been rabbi shafter both as the head of the salivation Institute in Boston and in his role at Yeshiva University rabbi Schechter has been with communities through their greatest challenges and through their greatest joys he's a friend he's a mentor to all and he's an educator par excellence he has lifted the standard of what it means for a rabbi to be an educator a thoughtful educator through many seminars that he's been giving over the last 20-some years impacting the american-canadian Rabbinate and it's not it to have these two great Jewish thinkers and these two great Jewish person with us we're going to be asking two areas to Rabbi wine and rabbi Shafter the first area we're going to ask them is this as historians and his thoughtful Jews if they could share with us models be they rabbinic models or ladyish models of leaders who dealt with tragedies in their community it could be a Jewish tragedy or could be a global tragedy and how those tragedies impacted those communities but to a much greater idea is how those leaders nurtured mentored and took those communities forward in the aftermath of those tragedies if we could turn first to Rabbi wine to share with us a number of models I'm so overall by the introduction that there was nothing left to say but Jewish history here is at one at the same time universal and very particular and we often concentrate on the particular and don't put it in the backdrop of the universal here we have a situation which is completely universal the coronavirus does not really affect us per se it affects all humanity nevertheless we are faced with the challenges of what it is done to us in a particular vein as well so uh I I Leah I would make a general comment and then a few particular instances I'm not a prophet I'm not even a wise man but I am an old man and that has certain advantages believe it or not it is even a certain perspective and what is clear to me is that whatever the Jewish world will look like a year from now five years from now even farther out 50 years from now and I'm speaking about the Orthodox Jewish world basically because I think tragically speaking that's just about the only Jewish world that's going to be left it'll be far different than what we were accustomed to all of history shows us that when the Second Temple was destroyed so Yohanan Ben Zakai and the tannoy and his students created a new world not a new Judaism but a new format that was not dependent upon national statehood it was not dependent upon temple worship or sacrifice sacrificial worship but they created a Jewish world that was the last for millennia and they rose to the challenge by so doing and they did so with great trepidation they weren't they Steve the Talmud teaches us that when we build on Ben Zakai was about to depart this world and these students inquired of him what do you see I mean what he's on the verge of the the world to come so he said I see before me there are two pathways one is to eternal glory of paradise and the other is not main tenu yaad a a lazy Darris belief you know so yeah I don't know where I'm going I was always amazed what he doesn't know where he was going he's saying the Jewish people think they are never come now I'm this we're gonna build the Jewish people from toner now and we don't have a state we don't have an army we don't have a government but we're gonna be we're gonna be eternal I'm gonna build you Shiva's we're gonna create a time hood I don't know where I'm going the answer is that when we come to a decision we have to do so wholeheartedly but the back of our mind the doubt always remains was that the right decision in terms of history many times he make a short-term decision that looks brilliant and a few years later it looks stupid so the Jewish world changed changed radically but in that change which was within always the bounds of tradition and aloha the Jewish world was saved from the Auckland Bazaar can save us in 1648 and 1649 Zeus tava taught the Ashkenazi world was pretty much destroyed its whole infrastructure in Poland and Lithuania was the Ukraine was upset great rabbis were slaughtered terrible as there's a the great savory of a number two up from the Sun however that describes the atrocities of the time you know it's not the Holocaust in terms of numbers but it's relatively speaking it's all Holocaust how did the Jewish people respond to that how did the leaders respond so a section of the Jewish people and asked to be said went away they went to enlighten they went to reform they went to conversion that went through intermarriage they went away they said there's no hope and remaining Jewish forget it but the revitalization of the Jewish people came within a century with the great Hasidic movement that was a radical revolution but it has to be seen in retrospect that it was that pretty much the salvation of the Jewish people and in the Luther alien world also a century away under the influence of the Golda Vilna the yeshiva system was created which did not exist before them maybe show Salaam Turk raided the Muslim movement which even though it did not have the longevity that perhaps it was entitled to but for its time was the bastion of Jewish ethics and morals and produced the Jewish leadership of worth the back growth poem of the yeshiva and in our time after the Holocaust I mean I remember it I think I'm the only one here that really what was the age then but I remember when the rabbi Schechter's father of blessed memory who would who saved so many Jews and went to the camps and who suffered with them and who strengthened them and built them I remember what those Jews looked like when they lived into Chicago I remember day and you teach they say broken invention absolutely broken people broken physically morally spiritually and there were a few people that were not broken even though they had suffered enormous ly so again whether we look at the satmar rebbe or we look at the Chloe's and burger at B or look at her Byron Cutler are we look at those that were in America dr. Belkin and myself a chick boffin sure it although these are different people they're not the same and they're all and the surface radically different but they were determined to rebuild the Jewish people and in rebuilding the Jewish people it requires new tactics perhaps and different outlook on things different emphases the day school movement began right after the Holocaust the day school movement saved American jewelry say North a night see here we all went to published all the in have a chance so the response will be undoubtedly here positive and different but I'm convinced that what was it's not exactly gonna be the way it's going to be and we should not be afraid of that we should welcome it we should be creative we should be innovative it could very well be that zoom was invented to promulgate Torah not just they have family chance and so what that's my here my assessment of the situation that somehow great things are in store for us but that we have to rise to the occasion to make them happen and we will need people it's always people it's revealed from Ben Zakai it's the Baal Shem Tov it should be so samanther it's replied Malaysia nerd it's her barn Cutler it's the point of Asia rose and it's the State of Israel there are all people if people have the ability to rise to the occasion and what did you say on a personal note that it's such an honor and pleasure for me to be with different purposes of transparency my relative rabbi dr. J - after the young kids and it's just really it's heartwarming even just to see you on the zoom and the ocean we should have knocked us from our families together thanks rabbi wine thank you relish after it is for me an enormous honor and privilege to be able to share this virtual podium with Rabbi wine and with Rabbi while a rabbi wine just mentioned that it's all about people and he listed a whole number of people the whole group of people who were instrumental in maintaining the commitment that we have to a vital Jewish tradition and in the 20th and into the 21st century I would add rabbi barrel wine to that list as someone who himself has had such an incredible impact and so many others I may be a stickler as you let out the puss-a-la a disgusting curve but let's leave aside my soul a dose because it is utterly irrelevant and certainly doesn't buys me whatsoever in this context rabbi while has been a very distinguished pulpit rabbi in a number of communities and in the last number of years has moved into a national spotlight where he has distinguished himself for his learning for his strategic thinking and for your leadership rabbi while and it's a privilege and an honor to be here together with you as well I want to thank Rabbi David Pardo for calling me to invite me Naftali Herman and Rabbi parish for their part in the program and post can before dark sonia big a dull to thank the Orthodox Union much man and Alan Fagan and to wish a burqa BER to read my shower to thank remotion rebellion her long long long service which I have know that will continue and look forward to rabbi Howard service in a mere 70 years and decades ahead I also want to totally acknowledge what enough totally said at the beginning how this is being dedicated for official Aimie or official aim of a goof Reuben FS to those who are hurting and also to be able to grant the mid-session the brokest of the Rabbinical island for financial prosperity and hope for those who are hurting in that area rabbi wine mentioned african ben zakai and that certainly in the point of departure when it comes to the Whorton rebecca leamanczyk italian-american get non-dominant days shoe shelter the Rabban Gamliel astra said the new Zion lay the red beets are doke riviera moussaka was interested in the religious revitalization in the political revitalization in the personal though all three of them represents three different categories but i want to move to the next generation i want to move to her be achiever and we'll see in a moment i rebbi akiva is that truly very much as I'm sure you know main Jana Dilma now is we're counting down her to mod biome air and we're in the middle of sphere so so when we think about a Jew who was looking at it a world of desolation and devastation somebody who beheld a culture that was so different than what had originally been a culture that was bereft of a base emic - a culture that was trying to face some kind of Bar Kokhba some kind of a hope and have their hopes - rebbi akiva was looking at a time of great challenge and of great great great concern and the famous kamar at the end of my circus makos where he's walking with rum and Gamliel and rebel is - aria and rubio schewe and they come and they see the shawl she yelled see me base coat Kedar theorem upset and he begins to to laugh and why are you laughing they asked him obviously there's no reason here to be happy and he explains the reason and at the end they respond and they recognize and they acknowledged Akiva New Hampton Oh Akiva new Cantona rebbi akiva facing the most horrific scenario and scene in front of him it can't get worse than that those who could have remembered the base--emitter should be Ben Jana and now see Sue Ellen walking around where azure hacker if you must wear kind global could only go one day a year and now it's in Gunson Hefner was able to give nahama he is the person who is the Menaka and he is the person who has hope who has optimism and who provides resilience the the Cameron Mathison tells us something else about rebbi akiva I think rebbi akiva is really a very important figure for us to focus on I had long noticed the long-ago noticed a very interesting my flake is in the mission I cooked si numbered days that we're actually very familiar with because it's incorporated into our pace of Haggadah the Gemara here the Mishnah here tells us the whole shelf jealous that we have included into the Haggadah the ho dose and Coalition for Malibu pizza well this is taken from this Mishnah and then the mission that says after we say how well the Hossein big uma rabbit our fellow mera I share go alone of a goalless Elvis in omim it's Ryan from over your hosting below were your host how do you end this how do you end the first part of that I gather I share go alone of the girl no service enemy mitzraim it's all about the past it's all about what happened and there is no ha Sima rebbi akiva Omer continues the Mishnah no no no we're not ready to finish you know this is not the end this is not the conclusion ribbity very murky no similar cannibal a caribou say no yo quiero l'amor the envelope irmaferran a bomb Lycoris Enola Shalom Smurf removing a near emphasis on Pavano so far we have a future there's going to be good it's gonna so sorry Simba more Hitoshi and we are hosting gold Israel not just in the past we haven't stopped in the past and he froze rebbi akiva said no no look at the future k.michelle that said mcvane sutras and masses and said magazine the holidays are Victor's this is a Cavani can't unknow this is at even the confront what do we say in the Haggadah we say regarded and myself ugh these five rabbi some of whom whose names I just mentioned who come to Rabbi Akiva and they're all of them are sitting in there sitting at B'nai Brak my vain Bnei Brak my suburban lizard assure blessedness Arabic even Farfan why then Bnei Brak because that receptor says in Messiah Shabbos that Rabbi Akiva lived in Bnei Brak all these wonderful Vale entirety bailius hell they're looking out in a Horgan they remember they could remember they heard stories when they were younger they knew they remember there was a base on Victor she never heard Orton and godson sort of govern and now it's pace up and now it's shoulder shrug garland and now it's early on the radio and now it's the carbon-based section burnish why don't we have nothing what are we gonna do and Gunson Johar get oh they sang or we we're gonna go we're gonna go to Bnei Brak rebbi akiva leave them Bnei Brak if we want mahoma if we want optimism we're gonna go to the Baja optimism we're gonna go to rebbi akiva really Akiva is the one who's gonna provide optimism for us and listen to the way I want to tie up the rest of this my mer volumous MBTs miss Ron Carlos oh la la and we all know at the end he gives such a bow tie Marie de Maryland the Tommy them came to the great g'day limo was sitting a whole night and the Tommy the walked in and it's already in the morning and they say or everybody say no ideas my creation I saw chakra listen to my child I can't imagine it's my shot I must have seen it somewhere honey I miss a Prometheus Metron Carlos AHA Lila and they're focusing on gula and they're getting a stick on the Hummer and they're getting mystical optimism Chabot tell me damn until their students walked in there slogan that Herget the students aren't depressed the students are said the students are overwhelmed what since I never teachers for our Merlot hem rubber Seenu so the rubber scene who said to them the rabbis our teachers said that they probably the he was the ones who said Kindle us don't worry he gives monkeyish michelle chakras it's getting late outside the darkness is behind us don't worry they'll be a future it's not over yet no kayashima volcano yeah da moon there's gonna be a future with this is I think an interesting shot it's not the shot but this how I interpreted Chabot tell me then get her get former lehem rabbi say no so in response to their depression there every single said to them kinder look it's gonna be good it's gonna be good this way Chris Michelle chakras the chakras is coming which brings me to Rabbi Akiva Mannion at the OMA the granuloma sunbaes famous kumara this is probably the most familiar tomorrow that is quoted certainly during this time the book is arousal so the gomorrah says that he had 12,000 students 12,000 pairs of students and they all died Shinae masseur LF zu gehen Tommy the Mayan Lola rabbi akiva the hula Mesa but very different so if you are a Rebbe of 24,000 tell me then rock monoliths lon and they all died yet hang up your skates get the home get the finish it's over what's gonna be 24,000 per meet him and what does Romaic Eva's say no no no he picks up the pieces Rabbi Akiva says via our alum Charmaine October rabbi akiva 8 so rabbi Salish epidural he finds five more Tommy he starts all over again he had Abbess Madras jam-packed August stopped ever in Cup 24000 Hamidah and then he finds fries mori sitting around a stick on a table somewhere in somebody's backyard I ran a little little card table and he has his five pound me then and he teaches them behave aid concludes the Gemara hand needle Theresa sure we are alive today because where I became he didn't give up because there be a Kiva's new continent if I'm tundra because rebbi akiva lives them then they Rock and they all came to him because Rebecca said no I'm not gonna stop like reference says in the past I'm gonna focus also on the future I want to add something if I may take another moment please please do thank you I want to thank Rabbi wine very much for invoking the memory of my father who I know respect for you over the years you interacted in many different ways and you were always at the top of his group of Rabbis for whom he had an enormous amount of respect and I want to use him as an example of resilience in the face of tragedy I want to go I want to go to the Shoah and my fathers are Florina love Russia was poised in a remarkable moment in Jewish history last month just last month was the 75th anniversary of his coming into the book of our concentration camp on April 11th 1945 and in rabbi Lau's book he tells really a very gripping story and that story is very well known but I want to share a story from another book from somebody who was less well known a certainly within our community and this field Martin Greenfield is known in the world of fashion as the tailor for all of the presidents he has somehow this veena he'd came to America and was able to find a way how to get himself into the White House from the beginning and every single president to published a book called measure of a man he has a picture with every single president and in this book he tells the following story I want to share this vignette about my father and with this I will conclude this part of V of the program so my father officiated at at Fela in Buchenwald it's a very very iconic famous picture it was in the New York Times for his obituary when he was NIF there in the nineteen in 2013 if you go to Yad Vashem it's a huge wall that takes up maybe thirty feet by 40 feet of this picture it's a big Suffolk exactly when it was some people thought it was pasture Shanee this past Friday a lot of people were talking about that picture it's my 75th anniversary of that's akshay me but some say it was on a Friday night and this Martin Greenfield wasn't bookin father my father liberated him and he goes to this fever and he describes it that was singing reciting of blessings prayer weeping it was moving and the next day he writes her my father was milling around and he met him and he spoke to him in you dish and then Martin writes the following I asked rabbi Schachter rabbi I attended your service last night it was very beautiful but may I please ask you a question of course he said rabbi I must know where was God where was God he stood seven silent look what happened I pleaded where was God where quote there are no answers to certain questions he said staring off in the distance that is a question for which there is no answer I lowered my head and I cried rabbi Schechter wrapped his arms around me and held me fast forward fast forward forty years it's now 1985 fast forward about a hundred and fifty pages in the book 1985 was the groundbreaking for the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington Martin Greenfield is a prominent survivor he's invited to come to the ceremony my father was invited to speak at the ceremony he's sitting in the audience during the ceremony he writes an old rabbi got up to make some remarks oddly Michael him that he called my father an old an old rabbi got up marks his face looked familiar but I couldn't place him I know that rabbi from somewhere I whispered to my wife the rabbi continued speaking he explained that he had witnessed the Nazi atrocities of the Holocaust firsthand as a chaplain and the Third Army which liberated Bonneville's no way I thought it can't be him and then as if God himself for winking down at me the rabbi told the story that I knew well after the liberation he recounted a young boy had asked him a question he could not answer where was God it's him I said excitedly too early after the ceremony I found the rabbi rabbi Schechter my name is Martin Greenfield I wasn't born wrong I was the little boy the us do that question rabbi Herschel Schachter told me he lived in the Bronx we stayed in touch until his death in 2013 every time we visited no matter the occasion we relived the story together but standing there at the Holocaust Museum dedication which turned to an into a book involved reunion with tears streaming down our faces all we could do was hold onto each other I didn't want to let go of him he didn't want to let go either to experience once again that connection to stand with the man who had held me as a boy when my spirit had been shattered by the Nazis and their lust for death and darkness I felt as though I'd been kissed by an angel when we talk about people who witnessed horror I have no idea I can't even imagine what it is that my father saw when he came in and he was a liberator also trying for never what the survivors had to go through we think about people who made a difference and so for now I would focus on I would focus on Rabbi Akiva in ancient times I would want to take the personal prerogative and privilege I feel like it was a mightier by the fact that everyone mentioned him that I could speak a little bit about my own father when you are confronted with catastrophe so we have to do something we have to move we can't just fold over but we have to try to create we have to try to be macaws eight in passive the top by wine mentioned palate and taffeta there was tremendous amount of refugees an enormous amount of refugees and the Jewish community at that time went into high gear and helped personally people brought refugees into their houses local communities help Nations help there was a transnational effort the refugees went to Cairo the refugees were sold into slavery in Istanbul and the Jewish people rally rallied around to help just on Friday I received in the mail a book that I bring to your attention it's called rescue the surviving Souls the great Jewish refugee crisis of the 17th century by a professor at Brown University it's an excellent book and he describes the heroic efforts of the Jewish people to help those in need that's also something we need to be doing now at some point we'll get to the theological questions but they're practical questions so let me say what am I gonna do so we have to help those of us who are blessed to be in a position to help we need a help to be MacIsaac those who need the help whether it's a rapport where it's financial help to not just be passive but to jump in and to exercise leadership and to be zoca with the exercising of our leadership our personal each one of us in our collective leadership we should be so good to be able to do at least what we can to try to minimize the the intensity and the power and the catastrophe that is now overcoming us by us I mean as rabbi why mention not just the Jewish people but the entire world hamster I would like since you did the story so masterfully I'd like to add one more story which I'm a personal witness to and this story's been repeated many times by others not just by me but I'm on the board over in 1946 Robertson sacred sodding LaRosa who was then the chief rabbi of what was then Palestine you know do you remember rabbi shattered out we were once the Palestinians I remember when I went to public school there Scott series - how they'll go back to Palestine but I don't know how we lost the title of being the Palestinians but anyway apparently came to Chicago he came on behalf of the vaad hatzala and of refugees etcetera and I remember yeah I was before Bar Mitzvah yeah but my father took me to the yeshiva and rum hurt sagger delivered a 45-minute Shearer in Yiddish I even remember Damien on actually offered Vera Vera the taste was there and I was so impressed by his hard responding me you know it was such a an aristocratic rabbinic figure and then when he finished he said he spoke up they spoke English very well he said now I'd like to say a few words to the students that are gathered here so that we're about 200 young men in the yeshiva the yeshiva dad was not just Chicago was st. Louis in Minneapolis and Indianapolis and Detroit and Cleveland it would there was no hope that was it it was effort my ears my name is Boca and he said to us as follows he said I just came from the Pope of Rome and I gave the Pope a list of 10,000 names of Jewish children who had been sequestered in Catholic institutions during the Holocaust and I said to him give me back the children and then he paused and he said the Pope told me that he could not do so because any child that was brought into a Catholic institution was immediately baptized and Church law does not allow him to give children to be raised in a different faith once they were baptized see he said I cannot help you and when he said that he put his head down on the lectern and he wept in all my life I have never seen anybody weep like that the whole 2,000 years poured out of them and then he raised himself and he looked around the room at all of us just his face glowed soaking wet and he glowed and he said I cannot do anything more for those children but what are you going to do to rebuild the Jewish people what are you going to do and later on when all of us went to shake his hand and receive a blessing from him so he said the young member I was an 11 or 12 years old that he said to me remember what I said don't forget what I said you know so my chefs their back while can share my feeling we've been rabbis he's you know they're up days and the rabbinate where we rethink the entire matter but every time that I'd was shaken I heard Graham I heard something in my ear what are you going to do and I think that that always is the issue what are you going to do don't tell me what you're gonna say don't tell me what you think don't tell me what should be done don't tell me advice for others what are you going to do so what are you going to do I'm gonna do I'm gonna try and build the Jewish people I'm gonna build my family I'm gonna get married I'm gonna have children I'm gonna raise them I'm gonna support schools I'm gonna get job I'm gonna do something and then it's always the challenge and it remains the challenge today except today that we feel it even more when we get out of this whatever it's gonna look like we're gonna have to do something and it's always done by people and sometimes it's done by a few people you know Danny a man once said that it takes all kinds of people to make this world that I'm glad I'm not wanted but we are all one of them and we're the main one and the mozilla t-shirt and the rum cow begins my alumni I'm here to do something and everyone in their own way at the kitchen table in the synagogue in the business world wherever one finds oneself there will always be something to do and I think that that really is a message that all of us should incorporate in our thinking and in our behavior grab a while by the way I didn't mean God forbid to be disrespectful and launch into my brilliant words without acknowledging you but I know rabbi while we're in Detroit from Los Angeles we've been through the wars together and that really is an honor to be here with you today as well and I thank you for giving me the opportunity rabbi wine and Rabbi Chester I asked each of you in and you've heard this maybe in different language and I have but we know that many of our people financially are not going to be in the same place the economy is not going to rebound immediately and who's going to be hurt the worst the local communities the local schools you Sheba's right now the cost of education many of Sheba's are barely just getting by if you could speak wearing your hat as former pulpit rabbis and being someone who's there who's there for us who are in the trenches in the local communities what do you say to lay leaders to rabbis in terms of whether it's refocusing our charitable giving in terms of our responsibilities to the children to the future of our communities could you speak to that rabbi wine you know if this program is being sponsored by the Orthodox Union which it's an organization of synagogues so would be not so gracious of me but I think as I remember American jewelry when I grew up we had a tremendous amount of Orthodox synagogues and it didn't do any good it didn't raise another generation many of them were hijacked to the Conservatives who took an older building and building and booty and it was only true the day school movement the achievers the females that the Jewish world was rebuilt and I think that that pretty much holds now too so when you say to redirect redirect what there are so many of causes all of which are valid but the the future of the Jewish people lies in Jewish education and in educating Jewish children I don't find the tuition rates to be unconscionable but there are various reasons why that is but the schools are not the first priority they are the first priority because in Mongolia main tío she if there won't be there won't be here children that better educated in Torah mitzvahs and he might share though even that by his job on the bonobos and all the buildings in the world will not save us so I think that that has to be you know one priority the second priority if I may be so bold is that to a great extent the future of Colliers royal is in it as Aaron sustar whether we and that's not to discount American jewelry or not discount the Yang's are all of the good things but all the disease even told us that this was going to happen we just didn't believe it that it's happened and we have to build them in tutorials we have to build the State of Israel you know to become much more traditional over 75 years it will continue to be so and we have to see ourselves in that light and I think that an emphasis has to be placed on that so none of this is really nice of me to do and I know you broadcast in America but you know when you get to be an old man you can say what you want to say I think that I think that those are two priorities that we have to really have in mind because I think that that's where the future lies um I appreciate the question and I would say the following I would say rabbi while you point to a whole list of really significant overwhelming challenges that we're facing now that we face before but now Korona post corona highlight for us and if one focuses on the question there's a sense of despair may I in yevo Ezra how can I crawl out of this it's so overwhelming it's so huge I would not say that the tuition is unconscionable I wouldn't quite say that I know that there are many Mahon came and many board of directors of schools who work very very hard to be reasonable and if tuition is high it's high for a reason and I know that all of them are working to do whatever they can to try to help but the problems are serious and the problems are real and the problems are significant I don't know what the answer is rabbi why I mentioned earlier I'm not a prophet I don't know what's going to be but I would like to respond to this question by underscoring the fact that there is an answer and that there will be an answer we may not know now what it is when that yet wise enough and we haven't yet lived through enough to know exactly what that answer will look like to all of the issues rabbi wild that you raised but I feel that we to have a sense of confidence that we will be in a position to be able to find the answer I draw your attention to effects that I've referred to a few times in the last couple of weeks it's the fourth Parekh in Moroccan base the fourth parrot of Malacca Bizet's doctora for precious Vieira de chakras mini Schaben a on a vm talk el Alicia lay more after Hawaii she mace Rottier dotty my husband died you know he was an early fear de navarino Shah Baba Kaka session a or mother my father and now the the the better person to whom I owe money is going to come and take my kids away and listen to what he says we um relay Alicia ma eres Emma Aggie D Lee my yesh lach by bias tell me what is it that you have at home so she says well I have a little bit have a little bit loyal so he says go outside go to your neighbors get vessels you'll take the oil there'll be a miracle more oil will pour into the vessels you'll solve that oreo you'll have money you'll be able to give it the person who was oppressing you and your kids will be free what does Alesha say to this woman what does Alesha not say to this woman he does not say yay papayas he does not say to give anything at home that's not what he says he says what do you have at home because I know you have something at home I know you have in your home the answer to this question I know that you have the capacity to try to help you get out of the predicament in which you are now finding yourself it's not do you heavens you have it the only question is what is it what is it that you have and then she says and then he tells her what to do we have ba bias we have bar bias the car can be able to persevere we than our bottom the strength the wherewithal the resources the intellectual resources the emotion we have it but we need to access it it's hard now it's difficult now we're facing huge challenges now but I think the answer your question rabbi while if we know that we have the Chaya that is already northern half well if we know that we can do it we're going to be able to do it we've seen worse we've seen other challenges for Hashem we've survived Claudia Schrom is here Ruach you Charles Sabah is still beating we will figure this out I don't know yet exactly this policy that policy I don't know I don't know but I do know that I will know and I think that to me is the most important consideration I want to add if I may one more story rabbi weina was so touching and so beautiful and I'm jealous that you had the opportunity in 1946 to listen and he arrived he returned many years ago I fell in love with from her son many years ago maybe 20 years ago and I thought he wasn't getting the proper respect that he was new one point I was toying with writing a book about rehearsin I went to the archives of red haired son Aaron Hale house Lama on the fourth floor replica of his office and hey cop slow-mo on the fourth floor where they have all of his files and there was a polygon awesome Obama gun awesome and their twenty thousand pieces of paper strewn around and I sat there for days to be able to try to figure this out and I come across a piece of paper where he writes the following story he writes the following story that he went to the Pope and he said to the pub where they either shake in the law and the Pope said I can't give them to you so what he did was he writes I went before I left Europe I went to the monasteries and I walked in and I asked the Mother Superior he said I did it in dozens of monastery I'm honest my mother's maybe there's some Jewish children here and she said no no no we don't have Jewish children so he said okay he waited till lunchtime he walked in they're all sitting in the lunchroom and he walks into the middle of the room you looked like a short guy with a with a cylinder with a beautiful beard impeccable Becca sure he walks into the middle of the room and he says smiley I shall write a know passionate hug he screams out smiley syrup and inevitably he writes in this dog-eared document that I found in the archives inevitably Kindle grand opening Tata Piper Zeta theta he hurts my throat oh they heard those words these are the words that we need to hear shema yisrael hashem elokenu hashem hear o Israel the Lord is one those words were recited in horrific circumstances I'll kill the sham now we need to recite them from strength here you throw this is what the children of vehicle said the gomorian Shamari Israel our Father you thrown out Shamar yes Rama V new don't you worry there's an insidious there's a killer hashem elokenu hashem at HUD I don't know what it's gonna look like I don't know what its gonna look like but I know it will be here and I know that I have a bias somewhere yet to be uncovered yet to be discovered yet to be identified I have somewhere the Chaya the oil the light that is going to shine in a future that emits a Hashem will assure the mitzvos of the Jewish people and I just am to you lishus story in any sense that I heard from Myra babe she is pouring oil right he told her go out and borrow as many vessels as you can so she did so she went their neighbors who she borrowed she borrowed she by Archie by because she's God and the oil keeps on coming and she is so excited he told her Alicia told her outta me t don't be cheap about there's a Levin is right go get more and then she said to her sons you know bring some more came later the oil still flowing and they said ain't no Kayleigh there are no more than the oil stop whatever short of oil we short Acadian they're never short of what we can accomplish were short of people to accomplish it and that relieves its ahaha that's what we have to try and do and I can't can't express strongly enough how your message is really the one that we should hear Thank You rabbi wine rabbi chef there thank you really thank you for opening up in giving us your insights sharing with us and for us to be able to listen to this dialogue to hear two of our thoughtful Shepherds the most thoughtful Shepherds that we have share with each other and share with us we profoundly grateful to each of you your role in building diaspora jewelry your role rabbi wine in building the jewelry of the future of the Jewish nation that being in Israel we're also profoundly grateful that we have you not only as shepherds but his builders God bless both of you and it was an honor for us at the oh you family to hear from you to learn from you and thank you for giving up your time your heart and your insights to all of us thank you for having us rabbi wine a big yes your kayak a pleasure a pleasure to be with you you saw big as infants start a younger man it's a shame you should have many I listen I have such respect for you for decades you should continue a meditation to be exempt whatever happened to the it's almost done don't let them get you down we're gonna I don't want to interrupt this let's just keep it going we need you to enough totally keep on going you're great thanks for all you do thank you so much Tara unbelievable panel for an incredibly informative and fascinating conversation please note if you're aware of anyone who may have missed today's program please inform them and let them know it will be available online at together dot o u dot o-r-g together dot o youth org and they can be watched on demand at any time thank you once again we're up by whine of a dr. 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