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Hilchos Brochos - Part I
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Rabbi Dovid Heber, STAR-K Kashrus Administrator, discusses introduction to Hilchos Brochos. Hosted by Rabbi Zvi Goldberg, STAR-K Kashrus Administrator.
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work for presenting this webinar and
gives me the opportunity to discuss this
process this process are far and wide up
and let's start with the discussion of
the process of working on DOMA and very
place and some of the issues that relate
to the Bronx on cereals in regards to
very late and very humble as is known as
you learn to first grade probably
earlier something that grows from the
ground is a very humble and something
that grows on a tree is a very few eggs
we're familiar with that well we first
define what does it mean grows on a tree
in what does it mean across the ground
so how's I'll tell us that the
definition of a tree when you make a
burpee or AIDS is an item that when you
pick off the fruit the plan doesn't die
so for example an apple tree when you
pluck the Apple from the tree the tree
stays intact in effect next year will
grow more apples a perennial shall we
say however a carrots or potatoes or
other items that go from the ground are
not only then come from the ground but
when you pick them they shrivel up and
then they're gone the plant is actually
gone you need to replant there's no
treat for saying that remains intact
this is the general definition of the
difference between a very humble and
America aids effect on what is something
that would you pick it it does not last
review it a year and a ver curates is
something that when you pick it it
actually remains intact it stays from
year to year now there there any shyness
of regarding different items just a
couple of interests they don't get on to
general clone of general rules of thumb
on an egg for example sugar is it three
ways I guess as to what the bra on sugar
if you
take a trip you for a spoonful of sugar
what is the brothel on on sugar the
schita of Isis actually is that it's a
birthday or eight and the reason is a
very raised because the plastic shoe
room tells us the eye reduction that the
dash which is a reference to sugar is a
busy guy as a forest what grows in a
forest trees so it seems from the pus of
the bracha on unfruitful on the tree
it's called the trees and Garrett's a
forest should be a part of your ice
Regina disagrees doesn't say this long
to so to speak that Isis says on a tree
when everybody says look sugar gross the
ground and the air for the Brawn is
going to be appropriate double the
sheets of the rambam gives that sugar is
Asha hackle through the 3d enough Lakers
me showing him as to what the wrong is
whether it's a tomahawk and the mid the
bidding is to assign the very much i
hope you are right on on sugar it's
interesting you have a similar las vegas
and orange peels but like is operated as
two of you eat or for that matter any
peels that are edible um we have some
opinions it's a let's have an article so
they're an orange peel is grows on a
tree so therefore you are creating other
opinions say it's a very humble because
it's not too eager it's not the primary
part of the fruit the primary part of
the food would be the orange and
therefore the bra on oranges of courses
of arcades but on the appeal which is
not the Icarus I'm the primary part of
the fruit the Brock has known to be at
work double other sheets is say this is
the the junk part so to speak of the
food and typically ghost environment and
therefore you can you think of her dumb
as those machines it has no importance
whatsoever and therefore the proposition
hackle and emitting of course is to
recite beige aqua we borrowed when
eating article so there's just some
examples of where are their discussions
as to the brothel on Paris just one
other of interest before we get into
some of the details of cooked fruit or
raw fruit or chat food what the raw is
is a a discussion regarding the raw hot
chocolate chocolate
of being grows it grows on a tree and
therefore the beam should technically be
a buyer for your ace the question is why
is the bidding declines well to recite a
shackle on chocolate the answer is some
good because they're two answers that
are given one answer is that originally
when they made chocolate it was actually
a drink who was drinking for loyal drink
for kings and drinks as we know were
always a shackle therefore the video
automatically k and became that the
wrong on chocolate is a position Jaco of
course years later then we get the
molded hardness plays that we know is
chocolate bars so on but once the minute
you can you think it came to make a
shock all that was the broth second
answer is that chocolate the chocolate
beamed is really inedible is inedible
alone bitter chocolate bar is look at
the ingredients we'll see that as
courses cocoa but it's never just plain
cocoa in there they're always from small
agrees to make the bar but you have to
have sugar when our sugar it would be
bitter and therefore since it's inedible
in its state as a free as a fruit is
edible when it's mixed with a heavy
amount of sugar therefore the big became
to recite a choco on our chocolate even
though technically it grows on a tree
we'll see enough reveal unlawful we'll
see how this plays out or what did what
the difference is the fact that there's
a reason to make up our very no we don't
the later shipments of Shum hopefully
we'll talk about I get the ego and
kuffel which is primary secondary will
see this we service again I talk about
is what happens if you eat fruit in
different forms really what I say
different forms are two different ways
of different forms number one is if a
person let's say eats fruit which is
normally eaten cooked and you decide to
eat it raw what's not also advise for so
let's say it's a fruit which is eat raw
and then you cook it what is it almost
in that case so first of all what about
if you have a fruit or a vegetable which
the Darra push the way is eaten both
ways it's to eat it both raw and cooked
for example love of carrots are both raw
and cooked so what's not lost on carrots
so now losses either way I want since we
make a partner someone whether it's cook
the right is the tariff it's the norm
some people eat raw salmon cooked well
in both ways they've kind of gone on how
you're eating it may be in your bag
lunch or raw carrots suffer you'll have
cooked carrots therefore the profit is a
predominant either way if you have a
vegetable where darreth is to eat it in
its cook state and you eat it raw
example asparagus asparagus are
typically cooked that's the derrick of
how they're served even canned asparagus
has certainly gone to a cooking process
with good am sure they can be eaten and
of course one has to be careful for
telling which separate topic when eating
asparagus but you took care of it I want
to leave the insect infestation issue
and now you want to know what profits
recited on these berries so of course
you need to cook the profits of every um
but since it's not the derek that normal
to eat asparagus raw if you did so then
the growth is going to be a shackle
because you're not eating it in the
normal Derek in the normal way it's
eaten up this house is very interesting
depends on the bidding Amaka it really
depends on the customer we said in here
we don't mean a la minute we mean the
honda we mean how people he what what
what's the style of eating if you have a
vegetable which is the normal way of
hitting the vegetable is is only as we
said it only cook that we did wrong
rococo that could change with time i'll
give you an example the ties in sheriff
says that the broth on raw carrots is a
jackal de navarra why because it's not
the carrots run the ties live several
hundred years ago and his location they
did 19 carrots rot i would suspect i
don't know this perhaps even 100 years
ago in europe i would guess they did not
eat carrots in there miraste so 100
years ago in europe and certainly
several hundred years ago in Europe with
aa slip they did not get character off
therefore they recited to shackle we
reside on Dahmer on raw carrots
not because we're changed now haha we
never change on haha but the built-ins
and i love it stays that goes by the
therapy goes by how do you eat these
carrots what's the derrick how do you
eat them so if there are changes if the
way of eating changes then the broth is
going to change shorter sort of speak in
the through our character can call from
a asia hackle to hunt ama could be one
could say even in the last 75 years
practically in cauliflower I'll be 50
years ago even it was not the derek of
eating it there were some who ate
cauliflower broccoli raw but but it was
the tariffs so therefore people back
then would have been a call today it's
the Darra theater robbed people serve it
that way people love go to a kiddush
where you go to a hassle and you'll see
it as to their that's how people eat it
and therefore robot cauliflower broccoli
again assuming the proper to run check
has been made the Rafah in you go with a
brothel you don't eat it and you go
through side of work dama nothing i was
a chamber style change and therefore
that is how we're doing if one day
asparagus comes there I'm sure to find
some people with experience Wow today
South arif maybe 10 years 20 years will
come to tariffs and different once again
the rock at that point would become a
burden I don't now what about the
opposite way what if what if something
is eating wrong and you cook it so here
it's interesting it doesn't go by the
derrick goes by unit and that is if you
just let say watermelon watermelon
people you draw if you cook the
watermelon you actually want to know it
becomes ethereal it becomes guru it
becomes even thinking about us that
really very appetizing if a person were
to cook the watermelon and eat it too
rough odisha hackle because it's not the
direct to eat in it cook for but most
other items are typically items are then
either they're up to cook and and
certainly it doesn't come through when
you cook them again either war as long
as it doesn't become inferior when you
cook the item the rough is going to be a
part of the adamo and not a shackle the
same I'm also supply in this case to
both fruits and vegetables in other
words 8 a-3 of whether it's a part
I a tubercular double will either way
what it is be a same room if its
interior when you cook it it becomes a
call if it remains the same or it
doesn't doesn't get worse when you cook
it it retains its final status and the
same is true opposite where something is
the derrick it is derrick he brought
whether it's a vegetable then the
process dama and subterra Bennett's
child now what happens if you change the
format of this pretty now that we've
established how I meet miss cooter
vegetable what about changing the format
this is very relevant to many foods
because you eat an apple then of course
the profit is a particular ace down
without question but what if you crush
the Apple using apple sauce out of it or
as we will see what if you took a core
piece of corn corn grip and you flatten
it make corn flakes out of it so this is
the question that we have to your first
let's talk about pulverizing or changing
its desk losing its status of its shape
and again later want to also get it to a
lot of soups which also are optional veg
vegetables with a suit of pea soup etc
all of those are an offshoot of the
vegetable what is not a lot in those
cases let's first talk about the one
change the format if something is not
coming she's being a daughter which
means it's not going to find special
grains that we will talk about different
shear five social grams wheat barley
oats buy it spell video if it's not
Commission your daughter and it's not
rice okay it's tells me it's not that 65
but it's really anything else apples
oranges potatoes and so on and you
change the format of the item in the
sense that it becomes lost it's lost its
surah it's not Natalie's last form but
it's no longer which is no longer
recognizable as original item then the
broth is downgraded to shine downgraded
cuz I'll have a hierarchy process
catch-all raha is
chacal is considered the lowest so to
speak in that and since its catch-all
it's not specific cuz i lo given more
specific process to fruits and
vegetables or even a more specific
problem purebred or online income is
your coffin now lata is once you break a
knavish million dollar or not right now
into into a state where it's no longer
recognizable the brothel is downgraded
to a shackle of course by coming to the
Dogon don't say that Commission to
target if you take a week kernel which
actually is a tamil if you ate it raw
and you grind it up and make bread it
actually goes up and rocket comes I see
grinded up a cake for you make pretzels
the process is going to be a farming
designers which is also more specific
profit by rice if you grind up the rice
it retains its status of them as itís
most opinions they excite us at rice
weather is eaten cooked rice or whether
it's ground up the bra who also is known
to be the sides but putting dogs aside
the nodulation any dog on corn and
apples everything else thatõs wants to
grind it up under normal circumstances
it loses its status as cheetahs and
therefore the broth is downgraded to it
should happen out what point does it
happen that happens where it loses its
to where you cannot tell anymore what
this item is let's talk about apple
sauce that's a classic example in this
whole lotta the broth on apple sauce is
its ground down and pulverized where the
Apple pieces are no longer
they're no longer recognizable the Raza
is now shackle because no trace of this
big apple obviously scientifically there
is a sticky notes applesauce look at the
jar it says applesauce but look at the
pieces and it's pulverized up doesn't
have to be pulverized like baby food
with a baby applesauce that's that's a
smooth and you do totally you know no
recognition whatsoever that's certainly
going to be a shot even if it's just a
regular store one ample sauce the
process is going to be shy however if
it's PC applesauce better known as
homestyle applesauce where when they cut
down the apples or if you make it at
home very often you you don't grind it
all the way with
take the Apple sighs you still see
pieces of apples in the applesauce so
it's still nikkor to Russell it still
has its status of of an ample therefore
the Prophet is going to give birth dates
but again when you grind it down as the
shining true secession calls pappadeaux
some sort of a jam or jelly which jelly
another example something which has been
ground down the brother becomes a ninja
hack this is why on items such as the
corn chips the broth is a schakal corn
chips are ground corn they're called
corn chips but they the court is no
longer recognizable they take the corn
they grind and pulverize it down into a
powder like substance into a flower like
substance it's like to russets
the form of corn is the wonderful sport
therefore the braava becomes a jackal
because it's lost its soo ro the same is
true with potato starch cake which is
very popular on Pesach course at any
time but patience is very popular
because can be regular homens cakes some
people will not submit ok people who are
who don't link and rocks in particular
will make the pay to start payin
automatic device which is so not so if
you have admitting really all you have
left is the same starch a mess until
cakes then uh then you can still eat
potato starch game but again whatever
whatever your appetite whoever cakes let
that happen having um you'll end up very
often on pace of a stretch case the
brothel and those cakes are a shackled
omidvaram why because it was a silver
there's no appearance any more of a
potato the person who baked it whether
the bakery or the mall pasta bake things
archaic sees that it's a flower like
substance maybe start not than
potatoes and therefore the profit in
this case downgraded to a shock only the
garlic that is the wrong hon of paste
objects as a side note um if you wanted
a kiddush on another phone asa
subs Hawaiian pizza so it becomes a
challenge if you don't leave your box
for the reasons that will say and that
is if first of these massive milk eggs
so then they'll make for a coffin and
then they'll make them sign us on the
cake so that's that's fine that's kids
masuda the seuda is something that is an
automated assigned us as is the case by
the Nazis okay actually why is a magical
take over sized likes it that's a
separate topic which we'll get to in a
different series that's because the
bread has lost its turret the water
looks like bread because it's been
ground down ron brown bread easy but if
you add other ingredients to it and now
all of a sudden it's this piece of cake
so it's no longer looks like bread and
therefore the block is downgraded to a
sinus however potato starch as a shackle
even borrow it tastes like cake is a
chocolate leavin far right kid is
welcome suit has to be with the
designers so you can't make our crack
off and on wine and then eat potato
starch as your saluda to be Isaac is
Robert sudo and therefore you have a
problem of what type of cake you're
going to eat if the only months ago cake
or it's not available you cannot be
going to kiss bottom sudo wit okay to
start okay again because it's not
something I'm assigned us against not
bummer for that matter I think it just
as a sign of my name so there would be
one option is to truth more recently
lots of the best option but the shots a
cocky person stock they drink movies of
wine or grape juice and serves as a soon
okay that's moving and gentle to our
discussion they went back to this so now
did you eat let's say a piece of potato
kugel more lexing lactis that was up
maybe would have been nicer to have also
last week or even yesterday when we
perhaps ate the last kind of Galactica
so once i'm off so it really depends on
how you make it if you shred the
potatoes and that's then you're mixing
it with the greediest and then you're
flying it and the potato is still liquor
because it's shredded and then you still
see the shrimp on potatoes the Broca's
alone is going to be Adama because the
potatoes are still liquor they're still
noticeable however if you ground it down
into a putting types offices that I
should build that the English word for
potato kugel is attended pudding which
sort of kind of lose your appetite
Google sounds technical sounds wish my
pudding it's uh said here's this good
time right don't have any taste left to
it well nicer and just using that as a
in stration okay it's complicated
pudding because it is putting its
putting an end your bacon so therefore
the process of Chicago because that
putting like substance has lost its
surah and therefore it's no longer a
dumb anymore so yeah what's the bottom
pedicle that really depends on how its
data what you see something i'll buy set
piece of code to analyze and study it is
it to my son just look like halo
shredded potatoes or not a potato chip
is also a barter free hot summer because
you have shredded the potato and again
it still may go to my son it has been
flying in oil and therefore it's on Dom
it's a piece of potato that's been fried
no different than french fries you
should mention Pringles potato chips is
a big discussion once the basket over
behind him in the bidding administrator
of my shining to the victim history and
over the star case of the opinion that
it's a shock hole because simply it has
lost its surah of potatoes the flooded
flowery substance of the flour white
substance as FL oh you are kind of
substance that's being used as lost in
surah of potatoes and therefore again a
pringle detentions going to be sure
hackle because it's lost in Seward
there's a discussion amongst the price
give regarding Pringles for certain
reasons beyond the scope of our
discussions of our high school that say
abdominal mamaya the pity the profession
high dimensions up together with other
place good is that the Prophet is a very
provision is a shock when we draw it on
Pringles again regular potential dama
criminal advantages are going to be a
shot now this leads us to our final
discussion and that is the raw hot corn
flakes romesha sciences of unsightly
raha was
asked some 35 years ago and the shy love
what is the broth on corn flakes and the
same children who is also asked what is
the bra on popcorn see those were
questionable because the way to make
corn flakes is as follows now we'll see
the moment or two ways to the corn
flakes but the way let's say the
Kellogg's makes corn flakes is taking
the grit itself and flattening the grit
it's a grit and the actual exact way is
a proprietary more familiar exactly with
it when I liberty to discuss all the
details but suffice it is to say that it
is a roll corn grit and the corner it
roll means there goes on the rollers and
flattens it out and now who had the
question to relations is that called
liquor to my son or not a one hand it's
been only shaped corner it on the other
hand it's a corner in it hasn't been
pulverized as the major said the bus on
popcorn and cornflakes Kellogg's Corn
Flakes is a vertical tunnel because
that's still called liquor to Russell
you look at popcorn and the corners you
don't see the corn per se but what it is
is it's a stretch be supported this
errors have been introduced into the
kernel which which causes a rushing out
of the moisture rooftops the corn and it
stretches the corn into another form it
has not lost in surah and then for the
buff is still known to be a very pretty
dumb the same is true with Kellogg's
Corn Flakes because Kellogg's is up is
flattening to go to the grit and
therefore even though it's a different
shape it's longer but the broth is going
to be a very hot summer other companies
some private label brands store brands
or even chemist corn flakes as well are
made from a disarray they don't actually
take the grip flatten it but they do is
the company goes ahead and makes corn
flour mix is it and makes it into
beautiful pellets and then those pellets
are flattened out so there it's lost in
surah so yes give it two boxes of
cornflakes you have a one side kept us
on the other side Kellogg's the rough
Cowan's complex is vertically hot dog
because it's made is bigger to Russell
it has never lost this form of corner to
stretch roll piece of corn however the
top one is sexy however the hammock corn
flakes is ground corn flour which has
been flattened and which has been mixed
and then it up into a pellet and then
flatten out but since it never retained
this form of corn we've made into a corn
flour here for the bra is downgraded to
a shackle the environment so how do you
tell the difference one way is to call
at shirt and see how does this come you
make it or the other ways you can
actually look at it and that is the
college corn flakes is less outside of
it is less uniform it's much more rigid
because this the sizes are all sorts of
shakes to take the natural corn grid and
flattening it's uh student must be look
for Lidge e and even those triple more
fun / more bumpy as well however the
chemical complex other private label
brands of corn flakes those are more
uniform than exactly uniform because you
still have differences in alcohol etc
but it's going to board uniform not as
rigid on the outside that is a way to
tell the difference between cornflakes
and quarterbacks one other note is corn
pops cereal which is also made by
kelloggs is they different ways to
different countries the American one box
is top corners of the boss Alma the
Canadian corn pops are shocked all
because again they are losing in surah
and reforming it into some substance and
then topping it to the same name of
cereal with same branding and yet it
depends where is produced whether it's
going to be odd number shall call so is
the digits always the status of the
office it's not enough to look at it may
not even be enough to see what the
ingredients are it's on the standard
process ultimately that will help me
determine what profit is decided by the
item take questions
okay Robin
you have a question what prostitutes say
for onion rings because onion rings I
assumed ever afforded to the commercial
onion rings that are put into call onion
rings they have onion flavored ground up
products if for those are also going to
be shackled and we're talking about when
you find in a bag you open up the bag
and inside of there's a treat which is
Kalinda rings again it's onion flavor of
probably quite enough to do exactly
greetings to their but if it is a
cornflower that's in there it's just
flavored cornflowers the cornflour again
is downgraded to shackle no different
than the corn chips that won't recite a
child but if you made onion rings at
home with pieces of onion so then it
depends what will be the kicker with a
real onion rings right at home where
you're taking pieces of onions so onions
our discussion amongst applies good as
to eat raw because it's not a sailor the
derrick but in a form that people will
typically eat them then they become a
dollar but no there's any other
vegetable therefore that'd rock now
maybe have more other ingredients with
consult recipes to me to confirm what
the law is what if you had the encoded
within coating I said that guess it's a
current Tuffle when you'll see if it's
show and talk about the primary and
secondary i'll say mama hold up on a
question for the top of your topper we
talked we will have two sessions what
Brock would you say for brain still bran
cereal that's an excellent question a
brand itself is a tackle a pure brand
now your bran is a tricky term when I
say tricky there are two types of brands
on the market what is called heavy brand
and one it's all my friend mr. terms we
won't find them on any box of cereal but
they are the industry term light brand
is about ninety-five percent brand and
certainly a shackle it's considered the
inferior part of the of the of the
kernel of wheat kernel white brand is as
a mixture of endosperm endosperm is the
white part of the corn
another of the week Arnold ochre the
community dog of Colonel kernels
consists of several parts as the
hospital the garbage or maybe it's easy
to perceive and then you have a kernel
itself which is as endosperm as the
brand as the German of the German
uniforms we adjourn the equal part the
primary part is the endosperm that's
what makes flower regular flour whole
wheat flour we keep the plan in to
determine from the last 35 years maybe
that brands is actually healthy
therefore people now like holy healthier
more nutritious is better um so your
brand again the white brand itself would
be a jackal heavy brand will depend on
how much I chose further it is or what
your finished product is going to be so
what is the bra bran flakes most brands
lights of the market are mixed with a
heavy amount of endosperm when the heavy
amount of white branch i would say that
besides everybody with a significant
amount of and those primitive product
here for that becomes bigger that
primary the brand's Tuffle and therefore
the brothel on the endosperm from coming
Sweden doggin from five grains isms itís
the airport rafa brand place is in sinus
they make other types of cereals fibrous
cereals and that depends on the
formulation of some bran cereals are a
schakal because is it in significant
amount of endosc room and like we've all
bran calif prod all-bran i believe is a
shock only check those for sure knows by
heart but there's a serial that is
produced called fiber one which is a
misogynist because the air we can
determine that there is enough endosperm
which constitutes an acre which
constituted primary ingredient your
fauxhawk is going to be a sinus if i'm
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preview for the next next up miss Jenks
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