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>> Yes. Welcome. Welcome.
>> Our first caller is Karma. Okay. Hi.
Hello. Your karma ran over my dogma. How
are you doing?
>> I'm very well. How are you doing,
>> Hashem? Thank God. I'm doing very well.
Thank you for being the first caller on
our return to the Thursday night calling
show. Have you ever listened to the
Thursday night calling show before?
>> Um, I don't know that I have. I have
watched your YouTube video, your YouTube
channel quite a bit, but I don't think
I've done the call-in show.
>> Okay, fantastic. All right. It's just a
conversation. We just talk. That's
basically what happens. So, tell me
what's uh what's going on, what's on
your mind.
>> So, you did a an Instagram video a while
back that I found very intriguing. Um
where you said that some people feel
that they simply don't belong anywhere
in the world. Yes. and you said that um
that that if you are one of those people
it means that you have you were put on
this earth with a very important mission
and I was wondering if you could
elaborate on what the connection is
between the two. Um this is something I
have struggled with for quite some time
and so if you could um specify like what
what what is going on there like what
what causes this and also how do you
deal with the loneliness that comes with
with this also um I it's it's for me
it's also connected to um this toxic
shame issue because um I I I'm a
survivor of um family scapegoating abuse
and it's very common for for for
survivors of family scapegoating abuse
to have toxic shame which makes them
feel like oh I'm so I'm so messed up
I'll never belong anywhere and so is
there a way to distinguish between if
you're feeling like you don't belong
anywhere is there a way to know whether
it's because of of the abuse or because
of the mission
>> right okay it's a wonderful question so
let me begin but you know I'm sure I'm
not going to like just give you a uh you
know a speech here I'm going to this is
going to be a dialogue
so first of all yeah you mentioned this
video and the way that you uh recap the
video. You said that if you feel like
you don't really belong anywhere, that
means you have a very special mission.
I'm not sure I said that exactly. Um,
let me I I don't know what I said. Maybe
I did say that, but if I did say that, I
didn't mean to say it. I I probably
didn't say exactly those words. But what
I probably said is something more like
this.
There are people who feel like they
don't fit in anywhere.
I probably if I remember correctly
because usually I explain
that I probably said that these are what
I call sensitive souls which are people
who struggle with embodiment.
The soul is a spiritual entity. It is
not natural for it to be contained in
the physical plane and uh embodiment is
a is is uncomfortable for the soul. Um,
for whatever reason, most people seem to
get distracted by the uh the bells and
the whistles of physical embodiment,
meaning the pleasures of the physical
world, and they kind of forget the
soul's homesickness.
But then there are other people for whom
they never become acclimated in the in
their physical embodiment, and they're
always sort of um feeling out of sorts.
And I said that in order to become more
comfortable in your embodiment, you need
to embrace your mission. That's probably
what I said. Not that if you feel
uncomfortable in your body, that means
you have a special mission. Because the
truth is, every single soul that is
embodied has a special mission. The
thing is, a lot of people aren't
existentially uncomfortable. They're
okay being embodied souls. And so they
they're not desperate to figure out how
to be comfortable in their bodies
because they already are. Sensitive
souls are uncomfortable in their bodies.
And I was giving advice. If a sensitive
soul wants to feel comfortable in
its body, the way to do so is to figure
out why you're in a body. Meaning the
purpose for which your soul had to come
to this earth. So it's not about like a
lot of people the way that they just get
comfortable with physicality is by
indulging in the in the pleasures of
this physical world. A sensitive soul
will never be bribed by any of that.
It's just not doesn't it's not it's not
enough distraction to offset the pain of
embodiment. Sensitive souls need
something much more meaningful. They
need to feel that even if it's painful
and uncomfortable,
their embodiment has
value, that there's something they're
accomplishing through embodiment. So
that's probably more like what I said.
Um,
so yes, everyone has a special mission.
Sensitive souls really, really need to
find their mission. A lot of people go
through life never finding their mission
because they don't look for it,
unfortunately. uh sensitive souls pretty
much get forced to find their mission
because it's the only way that they'll
ever find any type of comfort in their
embodiment. Okay. Now, I haven't
answered a bunch of the the questions
that you brought up, but before I
continue, I just want to check in with
you. Does what I'm saying make sense?
>> I think so.
>> Okay. Now your your particular case you
say that you have toxic shame which
you've identified as being the result of
uh scapegoating in your family and
that's that's a topic which I've
actually spoken about on Instagram and
on YouTube about family scapegoats.
Uh for those who are unfamiliar and God
bless you if you're unfamiliar, you
should never be familiar, but um those
who are famili unfamiliar um basically
in certain unhealthy types of families,
not going to use the word narcissistic
families because the word has lost all
meaning, but in families where you have
someone who's really unhealthy, usually
a parent who's really unhealthy and
needs to be perceived as perfect all of
the time. So what they do is they offset
or they offload all of their shame onto
some uh well I used to think it was a
randomly selected member of the family
but then my theory on it evolved
actually. Um so what happens is they
pick this scapegoat who has to bear all
the shame and the blame of the of the
quote unquote perfect parent who's not
allowed to ever show any type of human
vulnerability.
Um,
and obviously that is traumatizing
and
obviously,
okay, maybe not obviously. So, let me
say this slowly and carefully.
How does one become a sensitive soul?
Well, I'm not really sure. Are you born
that way? Does something happen to you?
Again, I'm not really sure.
Certainly we see that people who are
traumatized whether it's trauma with a
big T or it's CPTTSD complex uh PTSD
where it's like death by a million paper
cuts you know constant tiny little
repeated traumas that what happens is
they also have this feeling of being
displaced not feeling like they belong
anywhere. Um, to me the common
denominator of all of it is is hyper
self-awareness,
which is really crippling, you know,
crippling self-consciousness because to
really function in this world, you have
to be able to at least set aside the
conscious ego and and be immersed in the
experience of of life. Um but instead of
being immersed in the experience of
life, the the self-conscious person is
uh ruminating on the on their own
existence which basically means they're
separate selfhood as a as an entity
distinct and apart from from the one
from the all.
So a lot of people become that way
because of trauma.
Um
but a lot of people are born that way.
And then the question is well why are
they born that way? And and my answer is
and I've said this for quite some time
that for some people embodiment itself
is the trauma. Now some people are
double winners where they were born
sensitive. So embodiment itself is the
trauma. And then on top of that on top
of that they're they actually experience
things that would be traumatizing to
anyone even someone who's not a
sensitive soul. So they're double
winners.
But the point is like this. This hyper
self-awareness and this uncomfortability
in your own skin that could happen
because you were the victim of some
trauma or it could happen just because
embodiment itself is traumatizing for
you because you're that sensitive. Okay.
I just want to check back in with you.
So far so good. So good. Does this make
sense what I'm saying?
>> Um yeah. Okay. So now your question was
how much of your toxic shame is a result
of the scapegoating that you
experienced?
And the answer is I don't know and I
don't think anyone could ever know. But
here's what I want to tell you. Remember
I said about three minutes ago that I
used to think the scapegoat was randomly
selected and then my theory about it
evolved. Remember I told you that?
>> Oh yes indeed. I was very curious about
that.
>> Yeah. Okay. So tell me if this like
resonates with your experience.
I actually have a whole video about this
on YouTube about the emperor's new
clothes. There's a Hans Christian
Anderson parable or a fable or whatever
it's called about the it's a famous one.
I'm not going to tell the details, but
the emperor um gets conned. Oh, there's
the call back con. The emperor gets
conned by this um conman who sells him a
bunch of air. It's not clothing. It's
air. It's but he pretends it's
a suit that's so fine that only special
people can see it. So, the king is so
vain, he doesn't want to admit that he
can't see it. So the the tailor
pantomimes this whole thing of carefully
giving him the suit. Oh, try on the
suit. Oh, you look so wonderful in the
suit. Of course, there's nothing there.
It's air. So, he's naked. And then the
the tailor suggests that the emperor
should parade through the streets
showing off his new suit. Now, he's
naked. He's stark naked. But the the
kingdom, you know, the the the subjects
of the kingdom, they all understand that
you don't call out the king and say the
king is naked. you play along like don't
be stupid. What you want to be like they
they say this they say the story about
Stalin's two-hour standing ovation
because everyone was afraid to stop
clapping and then the one guy was the
first one to stop clapping. They Stalin
said take the guy out back and shoot him
and then he told everyone never be the
first one to stop clapping. Right? So,
nobody wants to be the one to uh say
that the king is naked because he
doesn't want to be off with their head,
you know. So, everyone's playing along
with this charade and then there's this
kid in this is the Hunts Christian
Anderson uh fairy tale. There's a kid
who um
for whatever reason doesn't say why he's
motivated to do this, but this I guess
you know it's understood he's he's he's
a child so he's innocent and he says
look the king he's not wearing clothes
and everyone that it just breaks the
spell and everyone starts cracking up
and the king is humiliated and um I
think that's the end of the story but
I tell you this fairy tale because um
I believe that the scapegoat is not
randomly selected.
I believe that the scapegoat actually
unknowingly volunteers for becoming the
object of the wrath because the
scapegoat actually was the one who
called out the bluff. Didn't even know
he or she was calling out the bluff. But
here's the thing. There are certain
people who I mean you want to use
clinical terms, you want to call them
autistic, go ahead. I'm not like you can
use that term and in 20 years they'll
have another term. But
you want to say neurode divergent,
whatever term floats floats your boat.
But a kid who's wired different and is
allergic to falsehood,
a can't a kid who can't lie to save his
life because he's just it's so repellent
to him the idea of lying. In fact, not
only can he not lie, he is sensitive,
hyper sensitive to the lies that regular
people tell each other all day long. How
are you doing? Oh, I'm great. How are
you? I'm great. Um,
he can't stand that because he knows
that people are just faking. And he he
he'll actually say it. He'll say, "Why
are people so fake? Why are they so
shallow?" Um, he can't stand small talk.
He can't stand social posturing. Um,
this is the kid who doesn't realize that
he just committed a capital offense that
there's a father or a mother in the
family who has to pretend and make
everyone else pretend that he or she is
perfect. And then this little kid who's
differently wired,
who can't like literally
constitutionally is incapable of going
along with lies,
ends up calling out the lie. But didn't
you say such and such? Well, everyone in
the family knows that, you know, we're
supposed to go along with the
gaslighting. You're not supposed to like
call out the narcissist because that's
the number one rule. In fact, that's the
only rule of the family. At any rate, my
theory evolved when I realized that the
scapegoat probably in most cases was
this little kid who said, "The emperor
is not wearing any clothes." didn't even
realize that he had committed a capital
offense. Because, see, here's the thing.
In in the in the petty, vindictive world
of this narcissistic parent, the only
reason that you would tell the truth is
to shame someone.
In the world of this innocent,
differently wired kid, you don't tell
the truth to shame people.
He's actually completely
oblivious to the fact that it's causing
shame. He in fact he feels the opposite
that the lie is shameful, right? Um so
he doesn't even realize
that he
them's fighting words, right? That he
walked into the bar and he said, "I want
to fight the biggest man here." He
doesn't realize he said those words. He
thinks he's just being real. Doesn't
even think anything of it. So, my theory
evolved that I realized,
yeah, scapegoats
are traumatized and trauma makes you
self-aware and it makes you into a
sensitive soul. But probably
the very fact that the scapegoat was the
scapegoat in the first place was
probably because he or she was already a
sensitive soul because he or she was an
unwitting trutht teller and that's the
first crime that he or she committed
that caused the scapegoating cycle to
begin. Do you follow this and does any
of this resonate with your experience?
Yeah, I'm following it and um yeah, to
to some extent it does resonate. Um I I
I I I think there's a lot of truth to
what you're saying. Um but I I think it
can be also um I think there's another
component though that's sort of similar
where um so Dr. Dr. Romney said in one
of her videos that um oftentimes the the
scapegoat is chosen because they're the
most empathic in the family. And lots of
times the um the abusive parent will
target the most empathic child simply
because um they they did or said
something abusive to somebody in the
family and then they looked at the most
empathic child and they saw shock and
pain in that kid's eyes and that was
enough to like to set off the parent and
they decided, oh, I need to target this
person now so that nobody respects this
person.
So that's more in line with my
experience. But yeah, also yeah, I get
what you're saying,
>> but those are not two separate things.
>> We're saying the same exact thing,
>> but I want to spell it out.
The truth teller and the empath are one
in the same profile.
>> The the the truth teller and the empath
are one in the same profile.
It's the person who's so tuned into
energy
that she cannot pretend. She cannot play
along
and pretend that she didn't just witness
an emotional murder.
Everyone else is has the luxury of maybe
they're a little bit uncomfortable,
maybe they're a lot uncomfortable, but
not uncomfortable enough to make it
impossible to
play the role, you know, do whatever it
is that makes peace. So, the the empath
and the truth teller really are the
exact same profile. It's the hyper
sensitive person who just can't play the
game. not because they're refusing to
play the game, they're just incapable of
playing it. And of course, that's a
dangerous
uh that's a that's a loose cannon for
from the perspective of the narcissist
because this is a person who could
disrupt the whole game, who who does
disrupt the whole game, not even trying
to disrupt it. It's not a power play
that that the the the empathic, hyper
sensitive,
super honest kid is not intentionally
trying to usurp the authority of the of
this uh perfectionist uh parent. It it
it's something that happens. I mean,
maybe later on it becomes a power
struggle and then it becomes conscious,
but at first it really is just this
sensitive child being like, "Nobody else
sees this. Am I am I really the only one
who's seeing this?" So, to me, those are
not two separate things. The empathic
child and the truthteller child are are
the exact same child.
Does Does that make sense to you?
Yep.
>> Someone's writing in the YouTube
comments, "I couldn't lie for her and
she considered me a threat. The lie is
safer for them. I think the truth is
safer." Completely opposite view of the
world. Right? So, this is Rosie B99 is
saying, "I don't know who she is,
probably your mother. But you're saying
that your mother, for her, the most
comforting thing was the lie. For you,
the most comforting thing was the
truth." Now, you're going to put two
people like that in a closed system
where one of them is
the adult and the other one is the
child. I know which one is going to
devour which one. You know, I know who's
going to who's going to consume the
other. Um, yeah.
Okay. So getting back to your question,
you know, um
I don't know and I don't think anyone
can ever know, but I would guess like
this. You were probably born sensitive.
You were probably born
uh like I say, traumatized by embodiment
itself, feeling things very deeply, uh
very aware of of energy and of feelings
and of truth.
Um
that made you dangerous.
in ways that you didn't understand. You
were then targeted for abuse in order to
discredit you so that you wouldn't um
you wouldn't
undermine the power of the the
narcissistic parent. And and there you
go. I mean, does that sound like your
story?
>> Yep.
>> Yeah. Okay. Anything else you want to
Oh, about the mission. About the
mission. Okay. So, here that's the main
main point. So, here's the thing. Now,
you're this super sensitive person who
has this hyper self-awareness. What are
you going to do? What are you going to
do about that? Well, a lot of us, we
self-medicate, you know, just numb
ourselves so that we don't feel it and
die of addiction. I don't want you to do
that. I don't think you're suggesting
that you want to do that. Um, but the
only real way to get comfortable in your
own skin is to use your body as much as
possible in alignment with your mission
that your soul was sent to the body for.
The mission is not one big thing. The
mission is a collection of everyday
things. And it starts with just being
aware of whatever the next right thing
is right in front of you.
So, whenever you're feeling
bogged down with the self-awareness or
you called it toxic shame,
really the only antidote, the only way
through it is to figure out how to do
something that's useful
to do to physically perform an act of
goodness and kindness. Now, I just want
to throw in here a caveat that if you've
been the target of scapegoating,
you may sometimes you develop um a
people pleasing tendency because um you
know that happens sometimes, not to all
cases, but sometimes it's like you learn
how to get people off your back by
telling them what they want to hear. You
know, first you can't lie, and then you
figure out, okay, this is what they
like. Okay. So, you're giving them the
lie u even though it makes you cringe.
But what happens is sometimes people go
from scapegoats to becoming people
pleasers or codependents.
And then what happens is they do good
but they do good as a distra as a
distraction. It becomes the new drug
becomes the new addiction. So what I
want to try to encourage you, not just
you, but like anyone who relates to this
story is doing acts of goodness and
kindness. Not because of the reaction
that other people will give you,
but to do acts of goodness and kindness
because
that is how you live as a person of
integrity.
Integrity means integration. Integration
means alignment.
When you are in a body for a purpose,
but you're not living in alignment with
that purpose, then there is a state of
disease, disease, disease,
which actually causes all types of
disease, God forbid. Um, in order to
become comfortable again, you need to be
integrated. And that means to try to
show up as much as possible in a way
where you are useful
to your maker
in the situation that you've been placed
in at this moment. Not because of the
reaction of other people. The reaction
of other people it can actually become
very uh addictive. not for approval, not
for people's uh validation, but because
this is how you live as a person of
integrity.
Um, okay.
Anyways, there's a lot more to be said
about this. I really appreciate you
bringing up this very deep concept and
um sharing your personal experience.
Um,
>> yeah,
>> thanks for taking my call.
>> No, my pleasure. Thank you. Thanks for
getting it uh started off. Okay, I think
we have another caller on the line.