When Messiah Comes, Who Lives Forever? The Bible’s Secret About Israel & Different Souls

Not all souls were created the same. There are Jewish souls and then there are more general souls. What's better? What's worse? Where does the problem start? >> I mean, Benei Noah have only seven ways to connect to God. Jews, we have 613 ways to connect to God. >> Who says it's better to have more? >> Go big or go home. Like you want to you always want a bigger house. You always want a nicer house. >> it? That's America. America's into big things. >> Rabbi Abiton, thank you so much for coming here for the podcast. How did you get here? How did you get to having a studio in your basement where you make content online and you teach Torah? >> I always have wanted to kind of like tell stories. That's really what it boils down to. >> Mhm. >> A person wants to have a voice. A person wants to to to tell his story or to kind of express himself. >> So, when I looked you up right before this, AI did say that you are deep into Kabbalah and you teach Kabbalah, which I understand is like the deepest sort of spiritual side of the Torah. >> It depends what you mean by Kabbalah. Traditionally, from the beginning, Kabbalistic ideas were meant to keep kept secret because it wasn't a time to be revealed cuz spiritually was dangerous to reveal too much of the deep secrets of Kabbalah because forces of evil would have taken control or could have taken control of them. >> So, I wanted to ask you more about what the Kabbalah has to say about Jewish souls versus non-Jewish souls because from our conversations before it, this was a very, very hard topic for you to fully digest when you when you learned about it. I I said that I was envious of you because I didn't think that. I just learned about Judaism and I was like, "Oh, yeah, I'm part of a group that's different that has different rules and can get close to God. Sounds right." >> I would like to go back really to one of the hardest points in my life in a transition from coming from secular to choosing a path of Judaism of Torah. I was in Key West, beautiful island, um with a lot of good friends. And thank God for this wonderful Chabad rabbi and this Chabad house in Key West. We spent Friday nights together, all of us, all of the single men there that were happened to be working on the island with this Chabad rabbi, and it was amazing. We worked during the day, and of course we went out clubbing after the dinner, but we all went for this Friday night dinner with the rabbi, and it was >> Did they have Key lime pie? >> Mhm. Not that >> a that's a special thing in Key West, no? >> They had matbucha, they had tahini. What sticks out is I remember everybody seemed being to be so focused on we're Jews, we're different, you have to love every Jew, a Jew's a Jew, and and it caused me a lot of distress, a lot of distress thinking, "Well, why why do you have to say to love your fellow Jew? Just say love everybody." >> Mhm. >> What does it mean that, you know, the Jews were chosen? And And what what But we all look the same, we all believe the same. Why God God is not limited, God could choose all of us. So, in the beginning, I couldn't take it, and I said, "This can't be." Just was too much for me. So, at a moment to myself, and I kind of like was throwing up some kind of prayer to Hashem, Hashem, give me guidance, you've led me this far, I believe in you, I trust in you, give me an answer, give me an answer to to to what's bothering me. And I found a Jew one of these Torah books in English, and I decided I'm going to open it up to a random page. I find that now that many Jewish people do that with Chumash, with other books. >> I heard you're not supposed to really do that, though. Is that >> supposed to, not supposed to. It's a that's a discussion I guess for another time. It was a this way, when you're confused and things seem like a crisis situation to you, don't open up a book to a random page and do what it says. That's simple good advice. And I wasn't trying to do that, I was really begging for some kind of help with something that I felt was just too hard for me to to accept. >> Mhm. >> And so with that prayer and that moment, I found the book and I opened it up to a random page with only four three or four words on it cuz it was a title page of a chapter and it said the words we are all one. >> So it it was telling you that we are one that you are one with uh like non-Jews, Jews, everybody's one. They're not though or they are but not everybody >> You're right. Not everybody's the same. That's really the way to put it. In the end of the day when it's all said and done, we are all one. It's one world and there's a world oneness, a soul oneness, creation oneness that is just real and and that's not a lie and will never will be a lie. When you get into the details, so then we have to understand what that means though. And everything in this world is a part of God. >> That's our mantra. >> does that mean? >> Mhm. >> What does that mean? What do you do with that? >> Mhm. >> So we got to unpack that. >> Can we unpack that? >> We could try. We definitely try. What I know now is this. There is not all souls were created the same. There are Jewish souls which sounds trivial to many. So we won't call it a Jewish soul. We would that's call it a a holy soul or a special soul that was endowed with a certain type of spiritual connection in in in the higher spiritual worlds above. >> Mhm. >> there were more general souls that have a more general divine mission. This all started without Jew non-Jew. There was only one people. They were all the children of Adam but after the sin and after the dispersion, so now there became 70 nations. 70 nations of people that have general souls. Within those general souls, there are holy souls and they were still mixed. They weren't selected and and isolated to one particular nation until Abraham came perfected the damage to a certain degree from Adam and married it to become the father of a new channeling of souls into the world. He became the father of a new channeling of these holy special unique souls that have a unique divine mission and these are the the souls of Israel that will become when when they leave Egypt. And so he became the father through Yitzhak Isaac and and and Yakov Jacob. Through them we have the 12 tribes and all of those people born in Egypt are called the people of Israel which we today call Jews. So they were endowed with this unique type of soul. So you have now two types of souls that exist in creation, general souls and the holy souls which became the souls of Israel and the souls of the nations. The truth is the nations are really children of Noah. Their their official biblical definition of their soul is a child of Noah, a soul of the Noah people, the Noahides. Our soul is the soul of the people of Israel, the children of Jacob which we call Israel. And so you have souls that are part of the children of Israel and you have souls that are part of the children of Noah, Noah. And these are the two different types of souls that are obviously connected in the bigger picture because even the souls of Israel have their ultimate lineage from Noah as well. So it's there's still a connection. And but there was like what we call a singling out which makes us unique with a unique divine role in this world. This is all true. This cannot be denied and in the end of the day it sits well with some people and some people have a hard time with it. I originally had a very hard time with it and then I came to believe and accept it to be divine truth. >> I mean I imagine most non-Jews have a harder time with this hearing it. I have a an Instagram and they uh when I post like my videos they're all all about like Judaism and it's about like Torah, God, stuff like that and I get comments all the time down below saying oh, you Jews think you're better than everybody else or oh, I'm just a silly little and you that you just you just think that I'm an animal. We need like we we need some good PR because they really think that that we have such a negative view on them. Maybe there are Jews that have the wrong like impression and they do think that non-Jews are inferior, but that's not really the truth, right? I mean we have a soul. We have a unique mission and it doesn't mean that we're necessarily better, right? >> and happy to be the way God created me. I was born a Jew and I am I am ecstatic about that. I wouldn't trade it for anything. I wouldn't trade it for anything, especially now that I know what it entails. But let's say I wasn't born a Jew. Interesting question to ask oneself. What if I wasn't born a Jew? What would I do? It's hard for me to truly answer that because I wasn't. But I want to kind of shift all of this from personal hate, not hate, better, not better. I want to take a person and use him as an example. Hopefully we'll to it'll bring us to a much deeper truthful understanding of all this. All we can ever want and aspire to be is in God's world in the place that he wants and created for us and to become the people that he had in mind for us to become. Everything God does is with forethought. Everything is by design. That means that before anyone was created, God thought about that particular person and said, "I want that person in my world." That's priceless. >> Mhm. >> If if you're part of a process like that, so I think you're you're you're you're you're you're getting stuck on a smaller, insignificant point. God said, "I want you in my world the way you are because I made you the way you are and I endowed you with the soul I gave you." So, where does the problem start? >> I mean, Bnei Noah have only seven ways to connect to God through seven seven mitzvot. And Jews we have 613 ways to connect to God. So, you >> days that I would love to only have seven commandments than than 613. Um who says that it's it's Who says it's better to have more? >> Isn't more I mean, go big or go home. Like you want to you always want a bigger house. You always want a nicer car. >> it? That's America. America's into big things. Oversize it. Who says that it's better to have more commandments? Isn't doing what God wants what's the best? >> Isn't having I still think like having the most amount of connection is the best. If you could have >> if you're saying that more more commandments equal more connection. So, what you're saying is if you have more mitzvahs, you have more you have you have more of God. >> Yeah. >> So, the truth truth is is is look. Again, I wouldn't trade being Jewish and cabalistically there is a there are essential souls with an essential role which are irreplaceable. So, yeah, in to certain degree there is there's an advantage. There's a practical advantage in in the world we live in now from our perspectives and and and as someone who was not given an opportunity, I can understand what feel like he has less. Yeah, there's truth to that. >> Mhm. >> The truth is yes and no because it's relative. Maybe they don't want more. I mean, I would I personally sometimes would think that what's wrong with doing less and having less? >> Isn't that like saying isn't that insulting to God to say I don't want the closest connection that I could have with you possible? Or >> I'm not [clears throat] sure because the Jews when God offered them that they could that he would speak directly to them, said, "God, this is too much for us. Talk to Moses, and then we'll hear it from Moses." So, what what about that? That was that an opportunity to have more of God, and they said it was too much. And so, they said, "Please, God, give us less. We don't we can't handle your direct speech." And they received it through Moses. So, they got less. They asked for less. We're still They were still God's people. >> I think it's fair to say that God has an understanding that like this is a more difficult life choice to be a Jew, to have this breath of life of connection available to me is a is a decision that non-Jews can make to become Jewish, but it's a decision that's a thing that all Jews have to do, and what they they have is this this this wider connection to God. And so, I guess you're saying he understands that like opening yourself up to life like that is a very difficult thing, and it might not be for every single person to do. >> Certainly like I agree with that. Meaning souls that are different have different potential. And not every soul is created the same, nor are they able to accomplish the same specific tasks. So, it's it's it's but that the what one can also say that God wants different things from different people. So, I don't know again, it doesn't have to be better. Better is Well, now yes and no. The problem is we have two sides of this coin. First of all, every person has the choice to be Jewish and to take on more mitzvahs. So, to say from you what you mentioned that more mitzvahs more commandments equals more of God. So, okay, I can hear a person say, "I also want more of God." So, if that's your argument, it's not fair. You were chosen, and God is more with you than he is with me. Well, then the answer is the door is wide open. Wide open. Come and and learn the laws and take on the more and you'll be no different than me. Convert. Join us. The door is wide opened. You You can We don't mandate and and and require joining us, but the door is open for anyone that that wants to. Uh Christianity and Islam actually [clears throat] say that without joining us, you're out. So, if And it's funny all the hatred is towards us when they're the only ones that are saying we have a monopoly. It's our way or there or not even the highway. Nothing. You don't exist. It's either our way or you don't exist. >> Yeah, but I guess it's more appealing cuz in their world you're all once you have the way, you're equal to everybody. There's this idea in in Judaism that we're not all equal. There's different roles. I mean, it's a it's very like um it's very um almost real in that way with the world and how the world works because there's different parts of nature that have different roles. A tree is a tree and not a bush and it has its own beautiful role as a tree versus a bush that has its own beautiful role. All Jews have a role as a certain group of people that are connected to God in 613 different ways. And then there's a group of people that have seven different ways to connect to God. >> system. >> And so, in the world of Judaism, you're you're saying no, there is a reality that people have different roles. And being able to accept that you have a different role takes a lot more of an understanding of who I am as a human being and an and a comfortability of being who you are as a human being if you opt into that system. >> Okay, I hear that it sounds nice and it's simple as the melting pot. Universalism, we're all one, we're all the same, we're all equal. It sounds great. Um however, we see anyway in the Torah that there are different levels of Jew. There's a Cohen, a Levi, and an an Yisrael. I think they have different levels. Uh and think about it, even in the times of the Beta Migdash, so we Israel could not go beyond a certain point. >> Mhm. >> Just couldn't. >> Right. >> And a Levi could go beyond that point, but he had his own limit that he couldn't go beyond. And a Cohen could go further. And then nobody could go into the Holy of Holies except the Cohen Gadol. And that wasn't even all the time, it was only on specific times where God said. And in the end of the day, guess what? Nobody can go to into God's essence. So we're all limited. The question is where you draw the line. >> So God what does God want a hierarchy? >> The terminology would be that there are souls that are more external. And then there are souls that are more within. So the Jewish souls, the souls of Israel, are the the essential souls that are like for example, physically, Jerusalem and Israel belong to the Jews forever, and there's nothing anyone could do about that. >> Mhm. >> And they know it. On a soul level, even if it's not a conscious level, on a soul level they know. That's why the new Israel and Jerusalem's in the news all the time. Cuz every soul that exists understands the core and the nucleus, the where everything spreads from is Jerusalem and Israel. That's why all of What do you think all of the Arab Muslim countries want Jerusalem? >> They know it's holy. >> is where everything starts. >> Mhm. >> The connection of heaven and earth is actually the physical point where where where spirituality and physicality kiss and unite is Jerusalem. The mountain where Jacob slept. They know it. >> Mhm. >> That's why they want it. >> Mhm. >> Um >> So land wasn't even created equal. >> No. No. >> Location. >> Land is not equal. Souls are not equal. No- nothing's nothing's equal. There's a It's Let's call it unity within diversity is is a true concept. It's actually Judaism. Judaism professes and and is based on this concept of unity within diversity. Hashem Echad. When we say the Shema, and we say Hashem Echad, what we're saying is there's unity within diversity. >> Mhm. So then where are we moving forward towards? We're not We're not We're not moving towards equality. We're moving forward towards a world where >> I could >> where people are different and they accept that they're different? >> I think different but equal. Different but equal because we have to understand and redefine what equal is. Really right now we're we have limited minds and we're living right now in a tough moment. But again, with Messiah comes expansion. And with ex- that deeper, more less limited mindset and and even and and connection with body and soul and a stronger revelation of divine truth, we will understand that that university in unity within diversity is real and equal because all you can ever aspire to to to accomplish is to be in the place that God created for you and you doing your part becoming the you that God created you with the potential to become. That's all Every individual soul that's in existence, that's everyone's goal in life. To become the me that I can become and reach the place I have in God's world that he made for me. Now, who can complain and fight and argue about that? >> At the end of the day then nothing really matters on the external because you're in a hierarchy. You have different positions. Everyone's maybe someone might be looking like they're above in this way or ahead in this way, but if we're defining equal as your connection to God and being in the right spot and feeling that you're in the right spot as well and and and then doing your purpose in the right spot then you have Everybody has a Now I'm getting stuck on this a point of Are you Does everyone have the same feeling towards the same then you're not equal? >> you're trying to balance two opposites. >> Mhm. >> The truth is the ultimate divine reality is the idea of equality with with levels. That's the real the real the real secret is how can we all feel equal and still have hierarchy? >> External hierarchy or also hierarchy in >> Also internal >> relationship to Hashem >> Yeah, because again the when we say that there's a perfect world that they will be all in a bar. So all souls that merit will be there. >> Mhm. >> But we won't all have the same identical portions. Mhm. It depends. And and now here's the the really difficult catch is that our tradition is that every holy neshama, every holy soul, which translates today every Jewish soul is guaranteed a place in the world to come. Guaranteed. >> Mhm. >> If he lives an evil life, so he'll have to come back and fix that. If he lives another evil life, he'll have to come back and fix both of the the damage he caused in both of his lifetimes. But the general souls that belong to the children of Noah, so they have a more more specific reward and punishment system. Meaning Jews and non-Jews both have reward and punishment. When Jews sin and are punished, that mode of punishment is part of a fixing process. You get punished and that is in order to kind of fix your soul and restore your ability to be in the world to come when Mashiach comes. >> And but once you get into that world, you're not going to be at the equal Not everyone's going to have the same closeness feeling to Hashem as each other. >> I believe within the souls of Israel not every soul's going to have the same spot. It will depend on the the the soul's mission and that extends to the non-the the Bene Noah, which are the other nations of the world. They also won't all have one identical spot. But here's the catch and here's what might seem unfair and let's just deal with it cuz I think we need to be honest and everyone deserves the truth and nothing but the truth and the whole truth. >> Yeah. >> So, the more external souls that we're speaking about now, the souls of Noah, the the children of Noah and all of those souls, so for them and the way again our tradition that the Torah tradition from the prophets is that righteous gentiles and and good good good people from the nations of the world, they deserve and have earned a place in the world to come. The absolute wicked evil people from those nations, >> Mhm. >> they don't have a place in the world to come, the forever world of God that comes later. Uh they're just their souls are just destroyed at the end of all this. Whenever they receive whatever punishment they deserve for their sins, their souls cease to exist because you don't keep a evil soul to punish forever. There's no point to that. So, once the soul is finished its purpose in this world, for example, the souls like people like Hitler and all of these very evil people over the course of the the different the different eras, so those evil souls are destroyed when when Messiah comes in the final perfect world of God. >> Mhm. >> Uh so so here's where this people can be a little bit upset is that every every [snorts] soul of of of of of the nation of Israel, whether evil or good, they all will be in the final world to come because even wicked as I said, they're the punishment for their wickedness is a rectification to restore their soul back to its pristine state to be in the forever world when when the married Messiah. I think that when a person accepts the package of being Jewish, so first of all he accepts to do many more things. He's accepting 613 commandments which are beyond human possibility. He's accepting to do that and the responsibility to do that. The second second thing is is accepting is and if I don't do the positive commandments, I accept to be punished for that. >> I never accepted that. I didn't have like a document >> So, you you you you you were grandfathered in, so to speak. Because your your predecessors, your fathers and forefathers, accepted it, so you were born into it. And in fact, it's really not fair. You have no option to out. >> Yeah, it sounds like it's more not fair for me, for a Jew, than it is for a non-Jew. >> that sense. If you want out, and you're dead set on on an out button, so it's not fair that God did not provide us with an out button. >> Mhm. >> According to Torah law, Jewish law, we have no out button. >> There's absolutely zero way. >> No, you have you have like 50 times more work to do. You have like 50 times more things that are forbidden. And if you don't do the work, you're punished. And if you transgress, you're punished. So, I would accept and I would have signed on the dotted line in a second, if I do the extra work. And I can stay away from all those tempting things that are forbidden, I I deserve to get paid, rewarded. I want to be rewarded. >> Mhm. >> But you know what? If I fail in fulfilling the mitzvahs or staying away from the the the prohibitions, why do I deserve to be punished? This whole system is for me to benefit. >> Right. >> think it would make more sense is if I win, then give me the prize. And if I lose, don't give me the prize. >> Right. >> that makes perfect sense. >> Yeah. >> And it it I think it does. I think there's no one that could come and say it's like that you're wrong. It doesn't make sense. It makes sense. It's not the deal we signed, but it's a it sounds like a very fair deal, and it would be fair. >> Mhm. >> But we set we signed a much worse deal than that. And we didn't even sign it. It was signed for us. What did we sign? We signed that if I do the mitzvahs and I stay away from the prohibitions, I'll be rewarded. >> Mhm. >> Great. I have no problem with that. But if I don't, I'll go through the worst hell you can imagine and suffer to the point where I wish I never existed. That's how much I'll have to suffer. >> Why would God do that? >> It's a good question. Good question. So, I think the deep Kabbalistic answer to that question is this. At the end of the day, the perfect forever world that we are going to be in and share with God and everyone else there forever, it can't just be a party we're invited to. If it's a party we're invited to, then it really has nothing to do with us. We're just arbitrarily next to it. Like, for example, you can walk into a beautiful diamond shop and look at the most expensive $50,000, $100,000 diamonds. They can even let you hold it and look at it and touch it, but it's not yours. >> Mhm. >> And even if it was yours, you didn't make it. >> Mhm. >> The world to come that we're going to share forever with God is a world we make ourselves. >> Mhm. >> We are responsible to build it and make it. It's the me that I build that is going to last forever. And God said, "I want you all to be self-made souls. I want you to make yourself. Cuz if I make you and I make a perfect party world and I invite you to it, it just has nothing to do with you. It's all just me. So, I'm going to hide and I'm going to give you the job to make yourselves, recreate yourself and a world, make it perfect, and do a good job. And if you do that, you've earned the place to stay in our world together forever, and it'll be yours. And that way it'll be the greatest thing you can have, something that you built yourself. But if it would be fake, if I would invite you into a world that I made and just gave it to you for free, you would forever feel inherently like an unaccomplished nobody. >> Mhm. >> And that would not be heaven. That would be a different kind of hell. We pay our way. Now, there are two ways to pay your way to be part of that perfect world. You can either listen to God's commandments and follow them, and you've paid cuz of the toil of of of doing the mitzvahs and of avoiding and staying away from all of those tempting things. You've earned your place and you've recreated You've created that place for you in the next world. But what if you say like this, here's an interesting question that It's not my original question, but it's a beautiful question. What if a person says to God, God, look, I know you want to give me this perfect world, and you want me to make it myself, so it'll be even that much sweeter, and it'll be mine forever, and it's the perfect forever world that I can ever experience with you together as partners forever. I hear it. I don't want it. >> Mhm. >> What's God's response to someone like me? >> His response is, "Too bad. I'm doing what's best for you. Listen to me. I know better." >> So, one response could be, "Okay, you don't want it, so I'll destroy your soul." >> Uh a Jew >> not what he does. That's not what he does. What he says instead of, "Okay, if you don't want it, then get lost," is, "You think that you're going to beat me? You think your desire to rebel against me is stronger than my desire to love you and to take care of you? I created you. I created you. This is God. I'm speaking for God. To love you and to take care of you, and to help you build yourself into an eternal being, a being worthy of existing forever, and loving that. >> Mhm. >> That's what I created to do for you and to give you. And you think I'm going to let you just say no? No. God's will is stronger than the man's will. So, what God says is, "Not Not so, my friend. You are going to go to that perfect world by either doing my mitzvahs or by suffering and being punished for your refusal to do that. And that's why you will be there and deserve it, because by accepting the suffering, that's your way of earning it." >> Mhm. This is what it sounds like exactly. God is telling us, the Jewish people, it is better to be close to me. It is better to be a Jew. It is better >> Right. >> This is a better lifestyle. So, >> So, here's how it gets fair. Let's go back to the other side of the story. So, this is the Jewish side. This is the the the the holy soul side, and that means that every Jewish neshama and every holy soul will be in the perfect world, whether he suffers insane amount of suffering >> Mhm. or he does the very hard serving of God, which is the 613 which is almost impossible. Either way, it's a hard way in. He pays. They pay. What about the the Bene Noach, the nations of the world that also want the same deal? It's very simple. Choose the added work and the added suffering, and once you do that, then you also deserve to be there. So, become Jewish essentially, and you can have the same deal. Now, if you don't want to become Jewish, so what's your deal? Your deal is do less. Fine. Do less and suffer less. You won't suffer. I won't I won't punish you for not doing extra. I'll give you basic the basic basic minimum. Just don't destroy my world. >> Mhm. >> Don't be evil and don't destroy the world I built. Don't ruin everything, and you have a place in my world to come. But be good. Be good and don't destroy my world, and you're there. But if you destroy my world, then you're out. >> Mhm. >> You're out completely. Why? Cuz first of all, you didn't choose to do the more, and you didn't even do the less. You just destroyed my world like an enemy. An enemy of mine, I destroy. But But the nation of Israel, they're not my enemies if they fail to do the mitzvahs, because they're they were charged with so much that they said, "I'm yours. But if I fail, what do you want from me, Hashem? I tried. I said I'll try. I failed." God says to you, "You, my son, you tried? You have infinite amount of chances. >> Mhm. >> But someone who says, "I don't even want to try, and I'm going to be an enemy of yours, and I'm going to destroy your world despite you." So, him I get rid of, but not the child that says, "I will do my best to do everything for you, Hashem." >> Mhm. He's not saying >> and even if he becomes a very wicked person, because on a soul level, he said, "I'll try." And he accepts the extreme suffering, so then he has earned his place in the world to come either way. >> And that's such a beautiful idea, and I think it's even more like beautiful for non-Jews in a way. God is saying to them like I don't even want need you to try to do this extra thing for me. You as you are as I created you right now is perfect. Just don't mess it up. Just keep doing you. You do you. >> I told you to do and don't mess up my world and you're great. Those that want God can have God and those that don't want also have God. Cuz God's not going to force anything on us. God's our God. >> Unless you're Jewish. >> At our terms. No, no. It was a choice also from Avram. Meaning we we were in by default and on a soul level we said yes at Mount Sinai. So, the truth is we weren't forced. >> Mhm. >> And God would never force. A dictator forces. God, the ultimate king, offers us the choice. >> Mhm. >> And God in fact says king me. Choose me as your king. And he's our king and it's our choice. God does not force us to do a service that we don't want to do. But the thing is this, in the essence that you want. When we were offered na'aseh v'nishma, we said we we want. We want you and we want this path. It's hard. So, sometimes we feel like we we don't want to do it, but that's only an external feeling of not wanting. In our essence we chose. We said yes. Otherwise we wouldn't be Jewish. >> Mhm. >> And anyone who says yes is Jewish. And whoever says no is the way God made them and they're fine. There's nothing wrong with them. >> Mhm. Wow. That was a very beautiful idea. I just I wanted to bring it back to one point that like didn't didn't really uh sit with me so well was that in regards to that the hierarchy of um in the end of days how we're going to have a hierarchy and there's people like within Israel that are going to have different um connections levels of connection to Hashem. And you're saying that these levels of connection to Hashem aren't necessarily going to be equal to each other. It's it's according to the effort that you put in and according to your ability to connect with Hashem how he made you is how your closeness to him is going how how close you're going to be to him. And so for some reason that that still doesn't sit well with me because because of the fact that God creates you with your ability of connection to an extent, right? Like >> I almost I think I almost jumped into the answer. Here here here's what I think the answer is. >> Mhm. >> And again, it goes to before and after. Before the end, we have a limited perspective. We have ego. And so you're trying to answer to a tomorrow question from today's perspective, and that's why you have a difficulty. And I think here's the enlightenment that will solve the problem. In the end, we're taught that all we can ever do for God and give to God is in fact that's what he gives me. And God created me with my limits. And when I do the best I can for God, that's called giving God everything. >> Mhm. >> We each have unique sets of limits. It's not about better or worse, above or below. It's each one is unique, like the different colors of a rainbow. Red cannot be blue, blue cannot be green. It just that's the way it works. >> Mhm. >> So, since we're all uniquely different, and that's by divine design, meaning God set my unique DNA. So, I can't duplicate someone else's DNA. So, we we all are by definition going to give a different product. We are all going to become a different type of perfected person. It's not anymore in the in the in the final world, after we grow out of our ego. It's not about better or worse, closer or further. It's about being that which you took potential and just actualized it. And so, since we're all going to be expressions of and revelations of of actualized potential, so we will all be equally 100% perfect depending on the potential we were given. No one will feel any less than the the person he's competing against unless they were given exact packages and the accomplished list. But if they were given different packages and they accomplished according to their packaging, each one caught 100% then we're all equal. And so in the perfected world at the end when there's no more no more an ego and we don't look only externally but we see the the essence of things then we'll realize that we are different and equal all at the same time. And that's Hashem Echad. >> So it's almost more accurate not to say that we have different levels of closeness to Hashem but we all have different flavors of closeness to Hashem. Different >> is like this. Today's terminology there's levels, there's closer, there's further. And that's what motivates us. >> Mhm. >> In tomorrow's terminology it's just essence, a revelation of essence and and and potential which was measured to begin with. And so so we're everything's equal. Today there's levels, tomorrow all those levels we realize after the fact that it's really just all equal. And today we should understand, like I said, you can only be that which God created to be and have the place that God wants to give you. Wanting something else that belongs to someone else is just counterproductive. It's it's it's it's it's it's futile. And so we could live in tomorrow's reality today if we grow up and mature and go beyond the ego and the jealousy and the blaming and realize they're all guests in God's world in God's world and just, you know, don't worry, be happy as a very beautiful famous song once said. Don't worry, be happy with that that with that which God gave you. >> Mhm. Wow. Thank you so much, Rabbi. >> I want to say though that it's it's it's like looking at you I have to be honest, you know, it's almost like for the most part looking in a mirror. I I feel that you are where I was about 25 years ago when I was also at your age a new student in Yeshiva, so much going on in my heart, in my mind, in my soul. It was an incredible time in my life that I often go back to at least in meditation because I felt so close to Hashem and I felt so alive and I I I pray and hope that you can connect with that that that the reality of life and let it unfold and enjoy the ride with Hashem the way Yosef did. Yosef at Sadiq knew how to be with Hashem and he brought that blessing and success and goodness with him everywhere. And that I felt was the greatest lesson I ever learned was to bring Hashem with you, which is the power of positivity. And just make make make this ride of life as amazing as you can make it. You I'm just looking at you and saying it's like I went back 25 years in my mind in my mind and I'm seeing you and I'm saying you have a unbelievable tomorrow. It's your job to plug in and the power is positivity. Connect, be positive and bring Hashem with you wherever you go. >> Wow, thank you. Amen. Thank you so much Rabbi. It was a pleasure getting to speak with you. Um I love schmoozing with you. I'm sure we're going to have a lot of amazing discussions in the future and um yeah, thank you so much. >> My pleasure, my pleasure.