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Welcome back to the podcast. My name is
Aaron Sul and you're watching Pasha
Inspired. I'm here with Rabbi Morai
Becker. Rabb Becker, welcome. Thank you
for joining us.
>> Pleasure to be here. Thank you.
>> With Tishabove coming up, Tishabove has
morphed into a time where people watch
videos uh on the B mikdash on tikonidos
on working on. But I wanted perhaps to
start the conversation with the Mishna
that says five things happened on
tishabove. And the first one is that it
was decreed on the Jewish people not to
enter Eritz. So the Eros is like the
center part of Tishabove. So what can
you tell us about Tishabove and how we
can fix this? I'm happy you started with
that because um the gamarra in Tarnis
and also in Sanhedrin
tells us um it it frames that original
decree when the Jewish people heard the
spies come back and say it's hopeless.
We cannot conquer Israel. The people
there are too overwhelming. The land is
too difficult etc. We know that the
Jews, it says they heard what the spy
says and they cried and
they cried.
The whole community cried
and the response of Hashem was as the
Gomorrah puts it.
You cried a tears or crying that was
unnecessary, unwarranted. I will give
you something to cry about on this
night.
And so it's it is type of interesting
that it's almost the the the uh
punishment the crying
uh that we experienced throughout
history and that we still experience
today is based on the fact that the Jews
cried back then.
And yet what the expectation of us seems
to be that we should cry
right that we should cry when we read
the kino when we read
that's that's normal and and it says in
the scroll of a written by yahu
bala you shall cry and cry that night
and as the medra says cry over the first
temple cry over the second temple and
there's so much to cry over on tishabove
there is the as as you mentioned First
of all, the the decree on the Jewish
that generation not to go to Israel,
destruction of the first temple, the
first Bamikdash.
um the destruction of the second
basikdash and by the way the first bas
yes the destruction of the bas mikdash
there also estimates hard to estimate
populations at that time but we think
about 100,000 Jews died during that war
with the Babylonians and the exile of
the uh the the southern kingdom to
Babylon to Iraq um later on the
destruction of the second basdash by the
Romans under Titus Bespasian
Um, so again, hard to make estimates
here, but it's estimated that maybe 2
million or so Jews died as a result of
war, famine, and disease. A million Jews
exiled all over the Roman Empire. Um,
hundreds of thousands of Jews sold as
slaves um to the Romans. I think Paul
Johnson in his history of the Jews says
that the the price of slaves radically
dropped in the Roman Empire because
there were so many Jews on the market as
slaves.
Jews killed, tortured, gladatorial
gangs, pagan celebration. I mean, it
just goes on and on. And then it didn't
stop. The Brava revolt, which was for 2
and a half years successful, but
destroyed. Betar, the city of Betar,
destroyed, thousands killed, Romans
brought in extra legions in in 130s uh 2
century CE. Uh we have Turnis Rufus
plowing over the site of the Basam
Mikdash building aliyah Capitolina.
Whether that caused the Barova revolt or
was a result of it is unclear, debated
by historians.
The expulsion of Jews from England 1290.
Tishab the uh declaration of the first
crusade in 1096
was in um
around Tishab. I can't confirm that it
actually was but around tishab and that
resulted of course and we know in
terrible tragedies the inquisition the
or not the inquisition but the expulsion
of Jews from from the Iberian peninsula
1492 from Spain 1497 from Portugal but
in 1492 the Alhhamra decree was actually
that the Jews would leave Spain and it
was tishabove that we had to leave
Britain and Russia
um declare war on Germany in the first
world war that was on Tishab 1914
and deportations
to from the Warsaw ghetto to Trebinka
began on in 1942 on Tishabove. So the
list goes on and on and and we and it's
it it's impossible. I don't know if it's
impossible but it's difficult not to cry
about all of these and of course we know
in more recently although not tishabove
but we have a lot to cry over over the
past 2 and a half years.
So on the one hand we have this national
day of mourning. We cry and and we have
event we have this whole buildup to it.
Okay. And it's type of interesting Rabio
Solvatic points out and Rushlam officer
and others that there is a a reverse um
in the order of mourning an intensity
from private individual mourning like if
a person lies a close relative. So the
most intense morning
is from the time of death until burial
known as aninus which even overrides
various positive commandments and it's
very intense. Then you've got the next
period starts from burial. It's called
shiva the seven days which is intense
but less intense than aninus. And then
there's the 30 days schlloim which is
less intense than the seven. And then
you've got the year for parents and then
it's got to it's your site. So it goes
from intense to less intense.
Whereas in the case of mourning for the
basikdash it's the opposite. We go from
yearly and general remembrances and then
we come to Shivas Saba Tamas 17th of
Tamas which begins the intense period of
three weeks which actually intensifies
with rash kodesh the first day of the
month of Av and it intensifies with the
week in which tishaba falls this week
and it intensifies with tishab itself
and the explanation given
is that um slightly phrased a little
differently by Rabio Bear and by Rashma
Fishischer, but saying very similar
ideas. It's a a a um mourning which is
intense and personal and close. Um you
don't need to be built up to it. You
don't need to. The intensity is already
there naturally
and hence the the the the goal of halah
is to allow that morning to be expressed
but on the other hand to transition us
back to life.
Hence most intense and less intense. In
the case of tishabove it's distant and a
lot of the things are distant and in the
past and it's not so easy to build up
that type of feeling of mourning for it.
And so the halaka
builds it up for us and and helps us
come to that intensity.
So but the goal is that we should cry.
The goal is that we should mourn. And
and yet
this crying that we cried initially was
wrong. And uh so
there's a few different views but let me
let me just start with the go of vna
says that the word
crying
uh is related to the word
which means confusion as in pharaoh said
of the Jews
they are closed up confused and and um
confusion
tears ears for example make you make
your vision blurry can't see so well
it's like you confusion so um so that
crying was a crying of despair where the
Jews couldn't see a way out
they felt that there was they're
hopeless there you know they believed
that there was no way they could conquer
Israel they believed there was no way
they could enter that land and uh and
you know the punishment fits the crime
time so to speak that and and indeed
they were not allowed in but that was a
crying which was a crying of despair
but there's a different type of crying
the tears that we cry on tishab
it's not despair
it's sorrow and mourning for what has
occurred and what's still occurring for
us but mixed in with that
there is also an element
of hope because and here's how Schlomma
Fisher expresses it. He says a a um a a
tree, a branch, a a seed which is
completely completely dry.
It has no moisture whatsoever. It has no
it's it's it's basically petrified.
You can't replant it. It's not going to
grow.
He says,
"The tears the Jewish people have been
crying over the past 2,000 years, they
are the deusa, the moisture of life that
indicates that we're not dead, we're not
fossilized, we're not petrified, we are
alive."
So there's a certain element and a
breast says that every every time we cry
there should also be it's classic breast
but there should be some sim involved in
that hard to understand where's the
simka in crying over the tragedies that
that and I didn't list all the tragedies
that we cry about I just listed a few of
them right but all those tragedy we cry
about I think that the sima is that if
we're crying that means we're life.
If we're crying, it means the Jewish
people are still alive and kicking.
We're not we're not petrified. There was
a uh historian by the name of Arnold
Toinby, infamous
um he wrote a book, I think it's it's
called I don't remember the exact title,
the rise and fall of 27 civilizations. I
think it's called eight volumes. Um and
he coined the phrase a fossil
civilization.
He wrote this in the 1940s I think it
was and he to he called the Jews a
fossil civilization
and he says and he was very much against
establishment of a state of Israel. He
didn't feel he felt that the Jews are on
the way out. They're they're they're
fossilized. They'll they'll they you
know that's it. It's over.
Aban
in an amazing speech Israeli diplomat uh
in a amazing speech he he put it this
way. He says he says the fossil
civilization is at the core of Toyby's
heresy
although he fails to prove this point
and he calls the Jews a fossilized
civilization and if we are fossils
then we have no right to
self-determination.
The pursuit of a country is a grotesque
distortion. He says, however, he says,
the fossils, not having read the eight
volumes of Toyinbee's history, remain
unaware of their own petrification
and continue to function as living
beings.
So, I don't think any of our audience, I
can't say for sure, has read eight
volumes of Arnold Toybe's history, but
none of us see ourselves as fossils.
That I can guarantee. Fossils don't cry.
Petrified creatures don't mourn. So our
cry, our our tears back in the desert
were tears of despair.
It's over. But our tears on tishabove
are tears of sorrow, but intermingled
with a sense of hope and a sense that we
that that we are still mourning. So it
means we're still alive.
And and as we all know very famously,
Yakov,
our ancestor, our patriarch, refused to
be consoled for the loss of Ysef. And
the Talmud tells us Rashi quotes it
because there's a decree that something
dead is going to be forgotten
eventually. Otherwise, how could people
move on?
The fact that he could not be consoled
for Ysef, his son, was evidence that he
wasn't dead.
evidence that Ysef wasn't dead
because because he couldn't be
reconciled. They couldn't they couldn't
comfort the father. Now the fact is the
Jewish people we cannot be comforted
as one of the kinot says how can we be
comforted with with with comfort of of
vanity of nothing I can't be comforted
but that's there's there's a the
negative side of that is the sorrow
that we feel and the mourning that we
experience and the tears the but the the
positive side of that is that that which
me which we mourn for and cry for is not
dead because otherwise we would have
forgotten about it centuries ago. And so
there is an intermingling
of that of that joy of that awareness.
It's it's muted on tishabove.
It's muted but it but it's there. It's
there. And uh that's why after midday
on on taba we have a the laws of
mourning become a little less right we
uh we we we don't have to sit on the
ground right anymore we uh um men put on
talis and fillain
in at min you know soon right after you
know the midday I mean afternoon service
and and so on. So, and the idea there is
that we that we have an understanding
that that that those tears are not only
tear they're not tears of despair.
They're tears of sorrow intermingled
with hope and some optimism and a belief
that we're alive and kicking.
And that's I think Ravnakman actually
points out in Lutan that that crying
is rash is an acronym
out of order but it's an acronym for
yagul.
In you we rejoice every day. in God we
we we rejoice. That that's it's type of
interesting um that idea and and you
know um I remember Mosher Shapiro
pointing out you know if you look in the
Gamarra Gmorra is written in Aramaic as
is the Zohar as is the medish. slight
differences in the Aramaic, but one of
the fascinating differences is that in
the um in the Gmorra, when the Gmorra
wants to bring evidence for something,
it wants you to hear a logical argument,
it says to Schma, come and listen.
Toshma, come and listen. Right? I'm
going to give you some logic. I'm going
to give you some evidence and you'll
evaluate that. The style of the Talmud
is exactly that. evaluating evidence,
argumentation, logic in the zohor,
mystical text of Judaism. Uh the
expression uses to kaz
which means come and see
from the expression kazon. We just we
just had come and see
the vision of right. So to say come and
see. So so it's interesting because the
the the Zohar is is saying that that
we're giving you a a vision. It's not
necessarily going to be a step-by-step
logical argumentation in the Talmudic
form is going to be where you can you
can see something. And another factor
another feature sorry in the zor is very
often you see someone will ask a
question of
I remember in paras pinas uh so someone
asked him why did Jews sway when they
pray
starts crying
this is not uncommon that he's asked a
question he cries and he gives the
answer there's a lot of crying in this
and and uh I I I I think if I remember
correctly, Raosha pointed out that the
crying obscures the physical vision,
but it allows a greater clarity in a
spiritual sense
that sometimes because the physical
vision all what you see is surrounded by
enemies, anti-semitism everywhere, blood
liels,
terrorists every it's it's it's not a
good thing to it, right? you look at the
world. So when you cry,
there's an obscuring of the physical
vision and the spiritual vision is able
to see beyond that that we have hope
that we have we are alive that we have
promises of redemption and that Hashem
is fulfilling them. So that's what
that's another thing that tears do. they
obscure the physical vision and maybe
allow us a little bit to see that in
fact there's a very famous everyone
quotes it I mean not everyone but it's
frequently quoted that the kadush
leitzkadich
uh would say that the that the shabas um
before tishab called kazon shabas kazon
he says is a reference to the fact not
only that the ha Torah the portion of
the prophets starts with the word kazon
vision but he says also is because on
that shabas
because yes it's in the middle of the
days of mourning but we don't express
our mourning on shabas
right he says it therefore it's like
this quasi
state of like a schroing's cat type situ
where where where you have a kazon every
everyone can experience a vision of the
redemption,
right? We have in the midst of the tears
of the nine days of the week that falls
in, right? In the midst of that, but
technically Shabas cannot be in the
midst of the but but in the midst of the
nine days, right? in the midst of that
morning we have this we have a kazon we
can have a vision and a glimpse of that
future and and I think that's one idea
that we have to keep in mind for tishab
that our tears and our crying is sorrow
for the pain and and and identification
with the pain that Jews have experienced
and continue to experience
but it's also a type of a of a crying
that That involves also because we know
that sometimes people cry at great at at
moments of joy
and and revolvic in his book out of the
whirlwind points out he says human
emotions are very complex.
He says you can come to a marriage your
own marriage marriage of a children and
we cry. He says, he says, marriage is
like the the human attempt to outwit
mortality, to go into the future. He
says, so while we're celebrating that,
but there's a bit of a reminder of
mortality as well,
right?
We're celebrating your child gets
married, you're celebrating that, but
there's also a bit of a they're they're
leaving home. They're they're leaving
the nest, so to speak, right? There's
there's very often a mixture of
emotions. He says that's not unusual.
Halaka and the Torah recognizes that
that that we have that we're not, you
know, just one emotion at a time, right?
That's just that's it, right? No such
thing. Humans have a mixture of and so
so so yes tishab is a time of mourning
and it's a time of sorrow but but you
know with the kinois we actually end on
a positive note with the kinois we uh we
we we end with a positive note in a
right um the uh and even the tunes the
traditional at least ashkanazi tunes of
kinot at the very end are I I mean I
find very uplifting thing and I'm not a
lit who loves a you know so I mean
but I find a also beautiful beautiful
tune but and but there's a component in
it and you know there's there's a very
beautiful idea of Schlomma Carabach
composed a song based on a a puk a verse
in in Tahillim that we say uh before
benching on shabas and yontimu
now normally we would read that asima
those who sew who plant in tears
will harvest in joy. When you plant with
tears you harvest with joy.
Rashalaba's song as he explained I once
heard um he explain I heard him
explaining it um he sings it as
bad
in other words he's got the comma after
barina then it says he sorrow he
explained those who sow who plant with
tears
bina in joy yikuru will harvest.
He says it's possible to have some rea
some joy even in the tears because if
the tears are tears of despair and
hopelessness as it was in the first
tishabove
that's a problem that's going to cause
tragedy as it did back then.
But if the tears the dimmer is barina is
with an idea that we understand that
this is bringing us closer to redemption
that we have a promise of redemption
that we have a certainty of redemption
that's that's
we will be able to harvest. I remember
Shapiro uh saying that you know uh we
cover our eyes when we say Israel
hero Israel Lord is our God lord is one
universal Jewish custom cover the eyes
when you say that why you ask most
people the answer again anecdotal
evidence I have not done a survey I
don't have statistical evidence for the
statistitians I know my son and wife
both are statisticians so you know
they're going to but but okay but not
statisticians my I teach statistics, my
son has studied. Okay. But um
I think people I have asked when I asked
them why we cover our eyes, the response
is
greater focus, better concentration.
Could be that's very very possible. Two
other explanations.
One explanation is
that that sometimes that maybe we cover
our eyes
because the world I see with my physical
eyes and the world I understand with my
spiritual belief etc. there's a
disparity.
There's a disparity. So I cover my eyes
and I'm just trying to focus on the the
world of of my amuna of my belief etc.
and do not let the the physical vision
distract me from that. That's one
possibility. Raosha Shapiro explained a
little differently. He said the the
purpose here is not the covering but
it's the uncovering. Meaning as you say
here, O Israel, the Lord is our God,
Lord is one. Hashem, Hashem is one. The
oneness of Hashem. He says, now we
uncover our eyes and we are seeing the
world differently than before. before we
accepted that idea that that that
belief. He says, "A person who believes
in the oneness of God, person who
believes that Hashem chose the Jewish
people, Schma Israel, the person who
believes Hashem, Hashem is our God, our
national covenant with him, the person
who believes that Hashem, that Hashem is
one, there's no other power beyond him."
Such a person looks at the world in a
very different way. He says, "So we
cover our eyes as we accept that. Then
we uncover our eyes. It's the uncovering
which is the significant part."
Fascinating idea. We uncover our eyes as
if to say now I'm looking at a different
world.
>> Beautiful world. The view of a of of a
mam of a believer is a different view.
>> On tishabove on just like yum kipper if
we just fast and we don't repent it's
kind of a wasted opportunity because the
purpose of fasting was to show sincerity
in our repentance. So you know crying
alone on tishabove without recognizing
like for instance in the desert our
failed opportunity. We had the
opportunity of redemption. We were at
the doorstep of Israel and we said nah
we'd rather go back to Egypt. We don't
really want to take the next step and we
were afraid of that connection with God.
So maybe you can speak on after we've
awakened and these all these messages
that we do on tishabar to awaken to to
shock us to get us we want to look into
history of the Jewish people and say
what a miracle as well as what a tragedy
both at the same time like you said
they're they're both the nama and the
crying is it's it's all inter
intertwined but what's our next step so
our next step is a good question we know
that um after the three weeks
So if you look at what the sages decreed
for the next step are the next seven
weeks of hafturas
which are known as the shiva the seven
hauras of comfort
and seven as we know is the number of
creation the the seven days of creation.
So we're trying to recreate ourselves a
new the first manifestation
of this new period of what we're
supposed to do is ta the 15th of a the
Rambam says something amazing in his
commentary on the Mishna at the end of
mass tarnis
the uh Gmorra has I think six or seven
six seven I don't remember what but um I
think it was maybe seven um explanations
of why the 15th of A is such a happy
date we all know ta and I don't know no
singles events etc ta it's a happy time
so one of the explanations is and this
is actually what you started with is
that the decree that that generation
should not enter Israel when did the
Jews realize that was over in their last
year in the desert on the 15th above and
there's a medish that says you know
people would go out every every tish
every nth of that day of the decree they
dig graves for themselves. They'd lie in
the graves
and by morning they'd be dead
every year.
Um and um on the last year they went out
and did that and they didn't die.
Now at that point
you'd think that they'd realize it was
over.
The decree is over. We're alive.
>> No. You know what they thought? We we
made a calculation mistake. We have an
error in the calendar. So they went out
again next night.
And it was by the 15th of the month
lying in the desert looking up at the
sky. What are you going to see? A full
moon. It becomes obvious and apparent
that there is no mistake. We're at the
15th of the month and we're still alive.
So the Rambam says this I'm quoting not
from the original Arabic but from the
translation in the uh in the in the
that's in the Gmorra there are slight
differences in but the way it's
translated is it says at that point
they trusted in their souls
and they believed in themselves
they felt the desire of the creator
form
and the end of his anger with them.
So the Rambam implies doesn't imply it
he says it that the joy of the 15th
above the step next step after tishabove
is they believed in themselves they
believed in the they trusted in
themselves and they felt God's love.
So and and Raosha Shapiro quoted that
and he said those seven weeks of
building till we get to the new world
rashashana beginning of the world those
seven weeks of building starts with a
belief in the self and a belief in the
Jewish people
they believed in themselves
and he quotes from the
which says God is described in the Torah
in parasu I think it is or or I forget
a
god is described as a god of of faith.
Strange thing to describe God as a god
of faith would so the says
he he believed in his world and created
it. So you cannot create without belief.
You're not going to invest if you don't
have confidence.
So, Hashem has confidence and belief in
us in us. We have to have belief in
ourselves and our belief in self means
not just me personally, right? That I
have to have but belief not just in God
but belief in the Jewish people. That is
part of our amuna that the Jewish people
have the capability. So, how can that
manifest itself?
Investing our time and our efforts in
the Jewish people. investing our time
and efforts in
in in our growth and etc etc because I
can't build if I don't have that faith
and having that faith in ourselves and
in the Jewish people central to this
growth the next step from from from
tishaba right which again as I mentioned
is inherent I believe in the crying of
tishab is that element of faith it's
just that that is the the the major
emotion on tishab is sorrow and pain.
But there's a hidden dimension of hope.
When we transition to the 15th of AV,
the major emotion, the major component
is hope. The major component, the
dominant is is is belief in ourselves
and belief in the Jewish people. That's
what we have to have. This is uh
hopefully the last tishabove. Hopefully
this year uh like the prophet says the
fifth fast will turn into a day of
rejoicing.