The Religious Battle Behind the War Over Israel - Rabbi Tovia Singer

does not blame Jews for killing Jesus. And the reason for that is that Islam believes that Jesus was never killed. It says it explicitly in the 4th chapter Surah 4:57. In 636, the Islamic world went to battle with the Byzantine Empire and defeated it and then came here to the land of Israel and controlled it. Therefore, in Islamic view, the Jews have been replaced. In Islamic view, this land belongs to Islam. The Jews cannot have any control, any schlit over this land, especially that they believe that their third holiest site is here in Jerusalem, the Alaka mosques. There's a serious divide happening right now in America with people like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens on one side and Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabe on the other all arguing about Israel religion and what's actually true. At the same time, Israel is under direct attack from Iran. This isn't theoretical. It's happening right now. So the question is, what does Judaism actually say about all of this, about Christianity and about Islam? And there are very few people in the world who have spent more time studying, debating, and challenging these exact ideas than Rabbi Tovia Singer. Rabbi Singer, it's great to have you. >> Thank you for having me. When you look at this divide, like I mentioned, with Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens on one side and figures like Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabe on the other side, is this just a political disagreement or are we watching long-standing theological tensions within Christianity towards the Jewish people resurfacing in real time, >> right? So, um Ted Cruz is an example or Mike Huckabe, both of them are Southern Baptist Christians. Huckabe is an ordained Southern Baptist minister. He was a pastor before he was the 14th governor of the state of Arkansas. Their version of Christianity is rather young and rather recent and it emerged in the United States when a British theologian John Nelson Darby came to America in the 19th century and spread a view that was radical. Although it shouldn't be if you open up Tanakh. So let's go with the church and their view. The church's view is the one that's uh the Candace Owens view. It's the Tucker Carlson view. It's a Nick Fuente view. And that's a uh replacement theology. The church has always understood the Jewish people as once being chosen. That's very important. The church has always viewed the Jewish people. Even in the Christian Bible, Paul says this in Romans chapter 3 that the covenant was given to the Jews and the oracles of God were given through the Jewish people. Nevertheless, the church fathers all stated that the Jewish people were no longer chosen and were placed by the church. And and this is very critical, the Jews would never return to Israel to have sovereignty again. Moreover, again this is the Petristic period. So in this period during the time of the church fathers, the temple mount looked nothing like it looks today. Islam only arrives, Muslim armies only arrive here to Israel in 637 after defeating the Byzantine Empire. So the Temple Mount was in Hebrew a Kurban. It was rubble. And the church fathers saw that as a monument to what was left of the Jew. That the Jew was finished because he not only rejected Jesus, plotted against him, lied about him, and killed him were responsible for committing the act of deocide. This is not an idea that reflects the ranting of a crazy person like Necuentes. This is explicitly in the Christian Bible. The Jews are held accountable for killing Jesus and are uniquely held accountable for killing Jesus. All the church fathers viewed the destruction of the temple, destruction of the commonwealth, destruction of Jerusalem as a symbol of the Jew who was finished with God and the covenant was done and the church is the new Israel. This is called covenant theology, replacement theology, supersessionism. They all mean the exact same thing. and Augustine coaleses this idea as does John Chrissa. Both of them are highly revered church fathers. Even Protestants reverine. Uh Augustine in his apologetic work against manism the religion he once belonged to and in his magnumopus city of god he stated explicitly that the Jews he so just a setup the city of god is an apologetic work the main thrust of the work is to address the problem is why was Rome destroyed in 410 why was it sacked when Rome just converted to Christianity like what'd you do? Okay, so he's addressing that, hence the title of the book, but he also addresses the status of the Jews. If the Jews are no longer chosen, if the promise made to the Jewish people is that they are the people of God has now they have been rejected and the church is new Israel. Then why are there Jews still here? He didn't come up with all this garbage that the Jews are not real Jews. He knew exactly who they were. That stuff is all modern stuff which we could talk about. His conclusion was and remains to be the position of the church and that is that God has preserved the Jewish people as a monument just like the temple mount, a ruined people, a people that cannot and will not return to the land of Israel and never have sovereignty again over Jerusalem. and in his words and Christom they all said this there wasn't an Oscar Schindler among them they all there wasn't like one nice guy they all said this with one voice listen carefully that the destruction of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Jewish people and their degraded state in exile demonstrated that Christianity was a true religion and Judaism was now a false religion. This is very important and therefore the return of the Jewish people to their land. Therefore was a a monumental problem for the church. Of course Pope Pas I 10th when approached by Herzel on an infamous day January 25th 1904 Herzel I think on a full zerand sought out Pas 10th's uh support for a Jewish state. Pas the 10th told him very clearly, you made a very big mistake in rejecting Christ. We're not going to uh support your venture for a Jewish state. Moreover, we can't stop Jews from coming to Palestine, but if you do, our priests will surely be waiting there to baptize the Jews. So that's the standard of the church. So that's there's nothing new about that. And that's why all this weird stuff is going on because they have to explain, well, why are the Jews there? The Jews are not really Jews. How do we know they're Jews? But certainly to support a Jewish state, the Jewish state essentially is a a knockbar is a complete catastrophe for this theology instead of re-evaluating. And there are many Christians, even Catholics that are are Zionists who don't buy into this stuff at all because they have re-evaluated. But something happens in America and that's the clash that you're watching now. John Nelson Derby born in the very very beginning of the 19th century in England comes to America. America was a a country that was fertile ground for phosmetic views. Now his view is called premillennial dispensationalism. You've heard this term knocked around a lot. We're not going to pay attention to what those words mean unless you ask me. But what is gerine to our viewers is that supersessionism was the motherload of bad ideas and God has a unique covenant with the Jewish people. That's what speaker Johnson believes. They all these Christian Zionists believe this that the covenant that God forged with Israel is eternal and so so explicitly in the Bible. Mike Cuckabe the US ambassador to Israel he quotes Genesis 12. He should also be quoting numbers chapter 24 where it's speaking exclusively about the children of Israel. It's in the oracles of bum. It's all over Tanakh that the Jews cannot disappear. Moreover, the Hebrew Bible says explicitly that it is the survival of the Jew despite vicissitudes. It's his persistent survival that demonstrates the truthfulness of the God of Israel and the return and restoration of the Jew to his land which has happened. That demonstrates that the God of Israel is true. That's explicit in the Hebrew Bible. And the Hebrew Bible, as you well know, is not a a whitewashing of the Jewish people. all our mistakes and the mistakes of our greatest leaders are there on these pages for all the world to see. So that's what we see right now is a split. Now Charlie Kirk who headed the most influential uh organization in the Republican party was tragically murdered. Uh do not believe for a moment that he can be replaced. There will not be another Charlie Kirk. He was a remarkable man. And right now there's a battle. There's a battle for November 2028. The battle for the heart and soul of the Republican party. And therefore, as we would expect, it is conservatives, meaning people who are who are you supporters of Trump who are now fighting for the destiny. Who is going to be the next candidate? And who should Republicans talking about? We talk about evangelicals in America. We're talking about 70 million about one out of every five Americans. What direction is it going in? Is it going in the direction of Tucker Carlson? Is it going in the direction of Nick Fuentes? Meaning a is it's not that he's an isolationist. It's just he's an isolation when it comes to Israel. He's a he's a verent anti-semite. He's people should not should stop saying that he's taking money from Qatar. He might be. I don't know. But it it is it what that does is it misdirects people to think that he has an ulterior motive. His guiding principle is to destroy the Jewish people and to destroy Israel. He's an isolationist in the way that Pat Buchanan was. I want to just make a point that I haven't heard anyone make and it's just so important. For a moment, if just think about this. If there were a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel, okay, let's say you don't care about either country, it would create an existential threat to the survival of the United States because a nuclear winter would emerge from it. Just like India and Pakistan, two countries, its borders are relatively in the modern period 1947. Both of them went became nuclear powers in the 1990s. If they were to go to war, let's say just for a moment, you don't care about them personally. If they were to have a nuclear exchange, the world would be transformed forever. What Donald Trump ha has done, whether you whatever you think about him, it is he literally saved the world by destroying Iran's nuclear um material and his and their ability to deliver it. But it is very much so therefore it doesn't make sense that America first if you're America first you do not want a nuclear exchange. So this doesn't make sense politically. This is completely theological and that's the divide. Divided is over what is called dispensationalism or Christian Zionism or people who oppose replacement theology and those who are the oldtime Christians. >> Now speak a little bit about the timing of it. Uh it seems that you know all of a sudden Tucker Carlson and Kenneth Owens they they flipped at, you know, some point after October 7th. Um and we didn't hear them speak this way before that. Um is there did they always have these views? Were they hiding it that something happened that that suddenly made them change their views? Candace is hard to pin down because in that she went from one extreme where she was just as pro-Israel as you could be to this adopting the Roman Catholicism of her husband George Farmer. So George Farmer is a Roman Catholic who embraces what's called a radical traditional Roman Catholicism and that version of Catholicism rejects the second Vatican council which was convened by Pis the 23rd who genuinely was a phlosemite who becomes pope on October 20th 1958. Uh the the most controversial part of of the second Vatican council is a document you know noete the fourth section is about the Jews and most germanine is that the Jews today are refers to the Jews very positively our elder brother and anti-semitism is um opposed by the church and all the anti-semitic liturgy had to be removed it was positive in every way it does not uh no jateet does not say that the Jews are chosen or anything like that or that you know that supersessionism we oppose super it doesn't go that far but it is very very positive in every way so Candace has adopted her husband's extreme he's called a rad tread a radical traditionalist um she has adopted now is people talk about her relationship with Kanye West I don't follow, you know, Kanye West unfortunately is not well. He concedes that he suffers from bipolar. He should only have Rush Lima. But I I can't speak to that. I can only speak to the theology. Now Tucker is different. Tucker worked for he he's been in broadcasting for a very long time and he's very skilled at it. Very few people have the skill set he does in front of a camera. But he worked for 15 years for Fox News. is if you work for Fox News, you you can't be anti-Israel. They'll throw you out on your head. Tragically, I say tragically because I speak to the people who work at Fox. They ask like, "Why'd you fire him?" Because once Fox fired him, he was free to say and express whatever ideas he wished to. He was no longer constrained and that unleashed him. I always knew that he was no friend of Israel. That was always transparent. But he had to be very very careful. So for instance in the old days you had Pat Buchanan uh who was the guy running around um defending John Demanuk if you remember he was the guy on Crossfire the conservative voice in Curtis Crossfire in the 1990s. Tucker took over for him in 2000 about in 2000 on Crossfire. So Tucker very much comes from that view. But while he worked for Fox News, he had to be very very careful and very constrained. The people who work at Fox who I know tell me you have no idea how taxy he was. What can I say? I you know he it was just um untenable. He was very profitable to Fox but for whatever reason he couldn't stay there. Once he was out of Fox he was then free to go. And of course, as he sees Trump, Trump is obviously extremely pro-Israel. There never was a Donald Trump. There never will be another Donald Trump. His father was the same way. That whole family has a a deep affection for Israel, for Jewish people. And of course, he's conservative. That's a natural relationship. But Trump has to be very, very careful right now because the midterms election midterm elections are not here yet. And while of course the executive branch is well Trump's there and the judicial branch is now conservative, the um the legislative branch will be up for grabs. So Trump has to be very very cautious right now about not alienating Tucker's uh constituency in the Republican party. >> Now of course we have millions of Christians that genuinely love Israel and the Jewish people. Can Christians be true allies of the Jewish people and be faithful to the New Testament? >> Let me just say this. If you're looking for flattering things about Jews, I would not recommend the Christian Bible. If you're a Christian watching this, please don't be offended. I think most Christians I know Christ so many Christian Zionists who really have to work hard to explain certain passages in the Christian Bible which hold the Jews uniquely responsible for killing Jesus and they do and they explain them. The church fathers were not crazy. They weren't lunatics. But I want to get back to this. It's very clear. All right. I unless you want me to go very deep into this. People are really arguing over three chapters in the book of Romans. It's Paul's most influential and its longest letter. And it's particular, it's specifically Romans 9 through11, which could be which is, believe it or not, those three chapters are marshaled by both sides of this argument of replacement theology. Um the people who are Christians, Zionists who love Israel have a very good case because Paul and again full disclosure I'm not a Christian. Uh but if you want to know what Paul meant, Paul said explicitly that the there was a period of time where the Gentiles need to be brought in uh and and the the natural branches are broken away. But this is a a special unique providential moment in time. And the the branches that are grafted in should not boast. And he says that the promises made to Israel cannot be undone, cannot be destroyed. He says it explicitly in Romans 11 29. So therefore, Paul is very explicit that there's a certain plan here in time, which is a time for the Gentiles to be saved, but that the promises God made to the Jewish people are irrevocable. He says that explicitly. So therefore, the people who believe in replacement theology don't have a very good case. Now, the reason why most people reading these passage will not understand any of this is for the following reason. This is worth 60 seconds. The New Testament, I'm going to just change that and just say the letters of Paul. And that's where all the theology comes from, not from the Gospels, is using the term Jew rhetorically in two different ways. And this is what messes everyone up. So the word Jew is used in Paul's letters conventionally, the Jewish people, like the Jews gave us the oracles of God. But it's used in another way that's completely different. And that is that the Jew means those who are Christians, those who are saved, those who are heirs to the blessing. They are the true children of Sarah. It actually says it in Galatians chapter 4. So there now what people who believe in supersessionism must do is they have to conflate the two. So when Paul says in Romans chapter 2 28 and 29 that he is the Jew is not the one who is outwardly a Jew who's outwardly circumcised. He means the Jew rhetorically there as the person who is saved. He does not mean the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We see that explicitly because in the very next verse literally Romans chapter 3:1 he said, "Is it not wonderful to be a Jew? is not wonderful to be uh it is and now the reason why Paul has to be very careful in the book of Romans is that his audience who he's never met it's his last of all of his letters although it appears first in the Christian cannon is writing to an audience he's never met and has is has both the Jews and non-Jews who are reading it or the recipients of it so therefore what supersessionists must do and it's easy to do this is to conflate these two discrete distinct um usages of the term Jew and just conflate them together and then you really can produce the kind of replacement theology that you hear all over the blog sphere. I want to speak a little bit about the war with Iran. People are saying that this could be the beginning of the end of times. From a Jewish perspective, what signs are you seeing? Maybe you could speak a little bit about that. >> This is very transparent. this we are very much in the last stage of an order of events leading up to the final redemption. You know the evening uh the festival the meal that is pregnant with more commandments and more tradition and customs than any other is the meal that we eat on the night the 15th day of the first month. And if I were to do a survey and asking a committee, what should we call this meal? I don't even think the word seder would be in the top 10. But that meal is called a seder in order. It's an order of 15 discrete events, one following the other. It's we are in that order of a redemptive process. there the endtime war which must happen immediately before the Messiah comes requires that the Jews return to the land of Israel after Jacob's trouble. So I just want to lay out this order. Jeremiah chapter by the way all Christians will agree with this. This is just everything I'm saying is just there's nothing there's no conspiracy here. So Jeremiah 30:7 explicitly talks about the destruction of the Jewish people. The worst destruction of the Jewish people. Jeremiah is writing that 2 and a half thousand years ago he lived in a bad time. He's saying there's a time coming that there is no parallel to it. It's a time of great tribulation for Jacob. However, those are the last two words and from it will come your deliverance. The state of Israel is born out of the ashes of the Holocaust. That's the Jews must return to the land of Israel prior to the coming of the Messiah. Two, Jerusalem must be in their hands. Zechariah 12. This must occur. This is explicit once the Jews re in fact we have in Daniel 8 the precise dating for when Jerusalem would come back to the hands of the Jewish people. I'm not going to I don't want to confuse the audience. The key is then nations come to attack Israel over the status of Jerusalem. Explicitly Jerusalem be a heavy burdensome stone to all those who come against it. See Zechariah 12 3 and 4. Everything I'm saying incidentally again is non-controversial. All Christians who I mean who know their Bible I mean people who are you don't have to be a professor but people who know all everything I'm saying is very clear then what happens is a massive attack against the Jewish people a even though we are very successful in that we're able to destroy our enemies. I will destroy all the enemies who come against Jerusalem. But nevertheless, there's a massive attack against the Jewish people that causes a mourning among the children of Israel. This no doubt is October 7th. Now, let's move to Persia. In that 2500 years ago, that the prophet would tell us that Israel's implacable enemy is Persia is counterintuitive at that time. Why? Because Persia was in the past in the ancient world a rather benign empire towards the Jews. After all, it was Koresh Cyrus who told the Jews, "Go back and build a temple after the Babylonian exile." So it makes no sense. And the Persian Empire, the Cisanian Empire was always friendly towards the Jews. There were exceptions, but basically was a friendly. Moreover, Persia is not an Arab country and it shares no border with Israel and there's more than a thousand kilometers between us, which means it in the ancient world, it would have be impossible for Israel and Persia to go to war against each other because there there's a whole bunch of land in between. Now, if we were talking about an Arab country, so it's true Yeshu, the the Arabs, the Benshel and the Yitzk or the Jews had a a tenuous relationship, but the Talmet says openly that the end of days uh Yeshua would repent, would turn back to the Jewish people. Ezekiel 38 is where we get all of this from. Ezekiel is although he is not the only prophet who articulates this end time war. In fact, the last third of the book of Zechariah is about this war. But Ezekiel gives us like he always does provides copious details that there's just no parallel to it. He says explicitly that God is going to drag the enemies of Israel to war. Literally like putting hooks in the mouth of the beast. See Ezekiel 38 verse4 verse 5 it's Persia along with its yoyatam. All of its allies its proxies are going to go to war with Israel. God is going to destroy them utterly completely. It then goes back and says they're going to see Israel an open area where there are no bars or gates. They're going to attack and that's going to ignite the fury of the Almighty. See Ezekiel 38 9 10 11 12 13. It's explicitly there. I'm just going to just skip over the 39 all talks about the destruction of the enemies of Israel utterly destroyed. I want to concentrate on the last passages from Ezekiel 39:21 1-29. I plead with you the viewer. I know sometimes the prophets could be intimidating. These chapters are not. They're very easy to read and you're never going to hear this from a rabbi. You don't need a commentary. Moreover, I'll even say this. The commentaries of the ancient world and the medieval period said that the the generation of the gula, the generation that lives during the time of the redemption will understand these passages better than we do and we shouldn't speculate on them. Well, we're in that. Therefore, we see things like you and I don't know each other. However, I could say with confidence that you, Daniel, your great greatgrandfather 150 years ago could not have imagined what's happening right now. If you told him, he would have just lost his mind. But it's happening now. Now, we're told explicitly that the world will watch this conflict. Verse 21. And all the nations of the world because of this war and because of the destruction of Persia and Voyatam and its proxies, its helpers, the all the nations will know that I am Lord. Next verse, Israel will know that I am Lord. These verses cannot possibly refer to the church or replacement. The none of that is possible. The reason is simple. Continue reading. The text then says, "Look, you the children of Israel, because of your sins, you were sent to exile. Because of your faithlessness, you were sent to lands abroad." So the text is clearly identifying Jewish history. This is unmistakable. However, I am going to return you back to this land and I'm going to restore you and I will destroy all your enemies. And that's why this war is taking place right now between Persia and Israel. It said that the old world, this is the last section of Jewish history before the Messiah comes. The nations will see the victory of Israel, the destruction of the enemies. Then the nations will know that I am Lord. And that is the moment we are right now. >> Let's speak for a little bit about Islam. What do you think Islam gets right? What does it get wrong? And are the extremists twisting Islam or is it following it exactly the way it's meant to be? >> So theologically Islam is respected as a true monotheism and as one that uh does not blame Jews for killing Jesus. And the reason for that is that Islam believes that Jesus was never killed. Says it explicitly in the fourth chapter surah 4 verse 157. So Jewish life in Islamic lands uh was comparatively speaking better. However, Muslims believe that the world could be divided into two parts. Uh one section is dar Islam lands that were in the hands of the Islamic world. And I'll translate it land dra by the way in Hebrew means like a dra. It means an abode and of war, lands of war. It means lands that have never been in Islamic hands. In 636, the Islamic world went to battle with the Byzantine Empire and defeated it and then came here to the land of Israel and controlled it. Not every moment the Christians came here and probably had a century uh in this land. But therefore in Islamic view the Jews have been replaced. In Islamic view this land belongs to Islam. While the Jews enjoy protection if they pray pay an appropriate tax. They can't be uh forced to convert to Islam. So we're a protected uh group. But the Jews cannot have any control any over this land. especially that they believe that the their third holiest site is here in Jerusalem, the Alaka mosque. So to the Islamic world that the Jews have defeated Islamic armies and they're here in the land of Israel is a absolute catastrophe. In fact, that term catastrophe is used to describe the state of Israel and Nakbar. It has to be it's a blight that has to be undone. There are some Muslims who I know very well who are Zionists incidentally cuz this idea of dar Islam is not in the Quran. It's not mentioned there. But nevertheless uh the vast majority of the Islamic world held these views and I use the word held because there's something startling happening and that is that because we have a tradition after Yeshua gives kadimus how do I translate that uh when right when Abraham passes away. So it says and Isaac and Ishmael. So Isaac goes first and went to bury uh their father inv's only 30 minutes from where I am right now. Um so the Gmorra in Bavabas the Talmet says that in fact Ishmael did Chuva repents and in some way the Benish at the end of days will return back to the people of Israel. What is very striking is like why Persia? And one of the things that's happening right now, which I certainly put, you know, we're living, it's God's world and we're living in it. What's happening is Iran strangely is attacking the Sunni Gulf states. Uh by so doing, Persia is driving the Arabs into a friendship and a relationship with Israel. So whereas the Arab world viewed um Israel as the greatest threat meaning they were looking west and saying that's our greatest threat. They are now looking east and going no our greatest threat is in Iran. Iran is a Shia country. It has been a Shia country since the very very early 16th century. And for those who don't know there are no Shia Muslims here in Israel. and Sunni Muslims which comprise about 90% of the Islamic world consider Shia Islam to be complete idolatry. That means if a Muslim is going to speak transparently to you, I have a lot of friends who are Muslims. They will tell me explicitly they believe that Judaism is closer to Sunni Islam than she is. They consider Shia Islam to be a complete uh even though it began as a political split in the very early days of the Islamic world uh because of their beliefs they consider Shia to be the complete heresy. So it's very striking that this is the time we're living in right now. >> Now although they have this divide it seems that they were united in order to destroy Israel, right? I mean Iran and its proxies are Sunni Shi divide. Is that correct? >> Right. So its proxies in Lebanon are Shia. Hezbollah is a Shia are as I said there are no Shia in Israel that I know of. But in Lebanon there are plenty. But the Hamas in Gaza, those are all Sunnis as the Arabs in Judea and Samaria are Sunnis. and they were able to set aside their differences for the common goal of destroying Israel. >> At the Quran, it speaks about the land of Israel belonging to the Jewish people, right? Is that is that their earth is like that? >> That's correct. >> Why do they deny I mean they don't speak about these verses? It seems like you don't really hear about it. >> Oh, so the Muslim will tell you that the Jews were chosen. It's very very clear in the Quran. However, because they rejected the teachings of Issa, meaning Jesus, so in their in the view of Islam, Jesus was a not just a prophet, but he was what's called a rasool, which means that he had a specific message. So, he had a Sharia means a a written message and his message was to the Jews. And that message is to keep the Torah. And because the Jews rejected Jesus' Sharia which just means message. So therefore they lost their choseness and now uh Islam has totally replaced Israel. So they all it's like the radical tradition. Now I I want to say it's the Muslims. I don't mean to because they'd be very offended by this and some things I'm saying they might be offended by but I don't want to be offended by the wrong thing. So Islam is complete replacement theology that the Jews were chosen. Israel was given to the Jews. The promises were made to the they all believe that. However, the Jews lost that because they rejected Jesus. In the case of Christianity, that's why it's much worse with Christianity. With Christianity, we actually killed Jesus in Islam. We didn't really kill the guy. He only ascended. He's going to come back and rule for 40 years and get married and have a wife and kids and then die. So therefore the rage in the Christian world the and the New Testament itself says things that are much more extreme about the Jews and the Quran does. But um yes Islam is a complete replacement theology in that that the Muslims are have are the chosen people are the people. >> You mentioned that the New Testament speaks worse about Jews than than the Quran does. Correct? >> Yeah. Yes. How come it seems that that Muslims nowadays are more anti-semitic than Christians? >> The anti-semitism in the Islamic world is rife, but it's all plagiarized. It's Christian anti-semitism which they just re just they just copied and pasted it. I don't say demeaningly. They just they just borrowed it all. Just like the communists were godless, but they borrowed all the the caricature of the Jew of the Orthodox Church, which the Soviets hated Christianity. They were godless, but they were very happy to borrow the anti-semitism that was in in in Zarus, Russia. So therefore, Islam, if there were no state of Israel or or very simple, if all the Jews in Israel would say, "We're converting to Islam, there would be there would be no issue at all." Then they would could care less about Palestine. They care less about Palestine. None of that would none of that would matter. The key is that Jews are here in control of Ela, in control of Jerusalem, in control of a land that was called by Islam. Therefore, Israel must be eradicated. Either could be through total destruction, which the Arabs try to do in the war of in in all the wars they try to do, or they'll do it through peace meal, through, you know, uh we'll take it piece by piece and we'll have a hood, have some sort of relationship with Israel, and then eventually we'll use that as a platform to eradicate them. But if there were no state of Israel, things will be very different. I do not. It is when Muslims um portray Jewish life in Islamic lands as a complete honeymoon. That's not accurate either. But you cannot compare the life of a Jew in Islamic hands, meaning in Islamic lands in history to what Jewish life was in Christian land. There just there's no parallel to it. Jewish life in the Islamic world prior to the state of Israel, prior to Zionism just there's you can't compare the two. If Jew a Jew was willing to live as a deheim and pay his taxes and so on, it wasn't perfect. There were puggrams. There were there were programs long before Zionism. There were there were forced conversion of Jews in Persia. It happened. But it's there's no parallel to what happened to the experience. There was no Holocaust. There was no parallel to what happened to Jews in Christian land. You just can't compare the two. >> A few weeks ago, Tucker Carlson was speaking about how state of Israel went to war and wants to shoot down the Golden Dome, the the mosque, so that they can rebuild the temple. This is something that got millions of views. But how how wrong is this? We can't just rebuild the temple that way. >> Let me just be very clear. If Charlie Kirk had given his speech at Hebrew University anywhere here in Israel, he'd be alive today. That means Christians are protected in Israel and Christian sites are protected in the in this land. Bethlehem has I don't even think 10% of Bethlehem has Christian is Christian any longer. and Bethlehem was 70 years ago Christian. Uh let's say 80% of his Christian. Conversely, in contrast, Nazareth, which is under Israel's control, Christian life is flourishing. So, it's just the opposite. Here is where Christian sites are protected. This is where Christians are protected. Now, when he talks about a third temple, he should be very careful. You know, Tucker uh admitted I think it was a few weeks ago that he just read the Bible for the first time last year. All right. I don't even believe he did that, but it's very clear in the Hebrew Bible that there will be a temple. That means he's claiming to be a Christian. He says he's an Episcopal and have no reason to not believe him. But Episcopalians believe that the book of Ezekiel is the word of God. And I encourage Tucker Carlson to open up his Bible and it's there. I would encourage him to read a chapter called the Valley of Dry Bones which talks about the restoration of the Jewish people and the last four passages. And I I encourage Tucker to use your whatever translation you want. There will be a sanctuary that will be rebuilt in Jerusalem and there will be a covenant of peace that God will make. Moreover, from Ezekiel chapter 40-48, we have Kop's details, unused blueprints of a third temple. This is not written by some crazy Zionist. This is written by Ezekiel, who's a prophet who your church considers the word of God. Now, Tucker, I challenge you to take your Bible and throw it in the garbage if you don't believe in it. But this is not a an idea that some Zionist or the Netanyahu government, which he keeps referring to as we didn't come up with this. This is in the Bible that Christians consider the word of God. So I would be very careful about what you're saying. Scripture is very clear that there will be a temple built. But no, look, we all have crackpots. I'm not saying we don't have a nut job somewhere in Israel. And I'm sure there are plenty of Christian crazy. We're not talking about them. No one is interested in destroying anything. However, there is a promise that the temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem. and we trust the God of Israel. He'll keep his promise that nobody's fighting to destroy Alak. They're all safe as long as they're under the protection of the Jewish people. And in fact, it was the church, Tucker's religion that destroyed the Islamic sites, not the Jews. >> Right now, the pressure is coming from both the left and the the right. Is that something new? Is the anti-semitism that we're experiencing today different than something in the past? I've never seen anything like it. Neither of you. Um the Overton window has has simply been demolished completely. There's there's nothing and it's counterintuitive. One would think October 7th. I mean there's just for those who don't have who have even a preuncter knowledge, there's just no parallel to it of a terror attack against Jerusalem. We think of Crystal. So, Chris on November 10th, 1938, which was the precursor event of the Holocaust, 92 Jews were murdered on that night, which marked Luther's birthday. There's there's no parallel to,200 Jews being murdered in a matter of hours. Um, the Kishna Pgrams of 1903 on Passover, uh, which had a tectonic impact on the Jewish world. Jabatinski he didn't live in Kishna but he lived a few towns over that's what transformed him in that uh pgram which took place over two days on Passover about 50 Jews were murdered so there's no parallel to this one would think that the a window of sympathy would have opened that in that Hamas went well with Israel but the reverses occurred now there were always David Dukes out there they were but they were considered crazies he's in French and people didn't pay attention to them and they were you know interviewed on Phil Donnu's show as as crackpots but today what Tucker is doing and he's very smart he's interviewing these people like Nick Fuentes who willing to say things that even he won't say who's the man is an open racist white supremacist anti-semite Christian identity just I I don't even know what words to say about him and he simply interviews him and when Nick Fuente says that he's a fan of Stalin, I don't know if the viewers understand the magnitude of what he's saying. Stalin is responsible for the murder of let's say 20 million people. I mean Stalin fan of Stalin. So, and Tucker say let's just, you know, let's pin that. So, he's bringing on people who's saying that Churchill is the villain of World War II rather than Hitler. So, that's what Tucker is doing. He is simply um laundering the extreme and therefore the Overton window I mean the the window of acceptable discourse is just completely demolished and he's doing that very effectively and I encourage people to take him very seriously. His guiding principle of the destruction of the Jews in Israel. >> It seems that speaking of Tucker that when he has Nick Fuentes on people like that he gives them very easy interviews. He doesn't push back on But when he has somebody Ted Cruz or Mike Huckabe, he attacks them, doesn't let them speak. I mean, it's just two different styles that he has. I mean, obviously people that he disagrees with, he has more of a combative tone. I mean, is that >> correct assessment? >> Yes. Yes. Tucker has an extraordinary skill set. He's not a journalist. He's an activist. His goal is to destroy Israel. I There's more I can tell you about. I'll leave it off air and and let let the Trump administration work out what's what it needs to work out. Trump knows exactly what he's doing. But that's correct. When he had on Nick Fuentes on, when he had on all these clowns on verent anti-semites, he gives them a wide birth and nothing is challenged. when he brings on um Ted Cruz, who's a Christian Zionist, a remarkable man, brings on or is interviewed by M Mike Huckabe in Israel's airport. I mean, after saying that he hates Christian Zionists more than anyone. I mean, the New Testament says, "Love your enemy, let alone fellow Christians, that's insane." So, my husband is a very nice guy, and I I had the pleasure to give him tours of Israel. He's really quite a fellow and a very strong cr. So it's a two different worlds. So he has the skill set to know how to go after those he disliked because he's not a journalist. He's an activist. His goal, as I said, is to destroy Israel and he's very effective at what he does. But Trump is watching everything. >> Now, what should Christians watching this understand about Jews and the state of Israel clearly? Uh if you had to give them a message or two, what what would it be? We have a God who made a promise and he made a promise and it goes like this and Christians will appreciate Jeremiah 31 and they know exactly why. So there's a promise made by the God of Israel and he says the following. Look up at the sky. Do you see the sun? Look up at the sky at night. The stars and the moon illuminated. If the very foundations of the earth can be measured, so will I cast off the seed of Jacob for being a nation before me. Jeremiah 30:3 says that the Jews must return back to the land of Israel. So therefore, I I say this to Christians. It's in the Bible. The restoration of the Jewish people. The covenant that God made with Israel is irrevocable. Cannot be undone. Not by the United Nations, not by a quartet, not by Tucker Carlson. So it's the scripture that I really are guiding us. And we're living in a remarkable time. I also want to say this that there are there are a lot of Catholics who are watching us right now and I want to say this that it is true that the church fathers made these claims. There's nothing that could be said about because I have a lot of Catholic Zionists who who talked to me and asked me how do we deal with all these passages. I said, "You're going to have a problem with the church fathers because you can see always it's the church fathers, you know, when when Sean had on this priest on, always quoting the church fathers." In Catholic theology, the church fathers could have been wrong about these issues. And a a Catholic Zionist can believe that it is God's providential plan to bring the Jews back to the land of Israel. This is not ex cathedral that the Jews are cannot return back to the land of Israel. The church fathers said that but that's not from the magisterium. There is no dogma like that in the Catholic church. And therefore what that I don't remember her name whatever her name she came a Catholic 20 minutes before that who proclaimed that Catholics can't be Zionists. I I don't know where she's pulling this stuff out of the church. The Catholic Church never made that statement. Now, it's true that the church fathers never imagined their wildest dreams that the Jews would ever return. But nevertheless, it's there's nothing in the text would that would ever suggest this for a Roman Catholic. This is not from the magisterium. This is not um ex cathedral that the Jews would never return. And there are many there are millions of Roman speaker of the house, new Gingrich, Roman Catholic. They believe it's God's providence or plan to bring the Jews back to the land of Israel. There are millions of Catholics like this around the world. >> I want to ask you a final question. You did live outside of Israel for I guess many, many years and uh at some point you made aliyah. What do you have to say to Jews that are outside of the land of Israel right now and their connection to the state of Israel? >> Read Numbers 33:53. I mean, you could just read it for yourself. You don't need any commentary, but if you like commentaries, read Nakmanades, what he says there. Read his commentary on this remarkable oracle that it's a mitzvah to live in the land of Israel. And not only that, it one must uh hold on to the land of Israel whether Messiah is here or not here. There are mitzvah in the Torah that cannot be fulfilled anywhere but the land of Israel. When Moses, our teacher of blessed memory, entreated God to come to the land of Israel, Joshua would lead the nation. Just let me go. The Tomman asked the question, why did Moses want to come to Israel? Did he want to stick his feet in the caner? It wasn't interesting. There are mitzvos that can only be fulfilled here in the land of Israel. Look, let me say this to you. Let me be very plain. And I want to speak to the Jews living in Miami, the Jews who are living in Chicago, New York, Los Angeles. You could practice Judaism in the United States. You can practice Judaism in Toronto and Montreal, but you can only live it here in the land of Israel. It's time to come home. >> Thank you, Rabbi Singer. I truly appreciate your time and your thoughts and everything that you shared with me. Where can people find more about you if you want to let them know how they can find you? >> Please. So, I have a website um outreachjudaism.org or and a web p and a a YouTube channel just my name Toby Singer. I just for full disclosure most of my life is dedicated to responding to the questions the pressing questions that Christians are asking of why Judaism doesn't accept the Christian Messiah. And I respond to these issues raised by Jews for Jesus and other groups. And you'll find this in both YouTube and on outreachjudaism.com or.org. Thank you every singer. Truly appreciate your time. >> Thank you. If you enjoyed this program, please like and subscribe.