Rabbi Reuven Lauffer - Basic Judaism: Food - Part 3

let's talk about food instead apparently that's more interesting than fighting fires um what did we get to yesterday missonas right mizonate so where are we up to we got to we okay let's try to work this one out we've got any any food stuffs that have got flour but not enough flour to turn them into bread are going to be considered to be ms or not so in general what are we talking about we mentioned yesterday we'll get to pizza in a minute pizza's a little bit complicated um i mean the pizza itself is not complicated how we relate to pizza is complicated oh cheesecake that's right we ended we were talking about cheesecake do you know it's fascinating all the time that we were learning you know pasha learning about pashata siobhan i would come in and say you know where did we get to nobody nobody had a clue it was like no one knew what week it was what pasta it was but now all of a sudden we remember yeah we spoke about cheesecake we spoke about this kind of food we spoke that kind of food it's interesting huh so just again in general right what kind of foodstuffs are we talking about we're talking about cake we're talking about biscuits we're talking about pasta we're talking about couscous we're talking about crackers and and pretzels and all those kinds of things um they don't have a din of being bred and therefore you need to make them as a knot over them right now again the the difference between making them is they're not making a different kind of a broker is what bro what after brock are you going to make we'll talk about rice in a minute as well because that's also a little bit complicated yeah what is the difference between the moity and bread in terms of the majority ingredient is flour yeah so what what's the i mean the emphasis is like this it's it's not an easy it's not an easy answer it's not no it's not an easy question to answer i was gonna say not an easy answer to question but that's not uh that certainly doesn't make very much sense although i noticed it didn't really raise any eyebrows over here so um what what turns something from bread into miss or not right so for example you know yeast cake many people make exactly using exactly the same yeast exactly the same mixture they'll make bread out of it and on that you would have to wash but when it gets turned into yeast cake so then you just make them as an art so what's the uh let's have a look and see right and if we're already here let's talk about something called missouri bread which is uh a a a creation an invention of our generation right because we're so pathetic mata so again if you're ashkenazi on matzah throughout the entire year you say hamoi te la chamina auret you wash your hands you make kano tilati dai may kamoiti and you you relate to mata as if it were bread for you know for everything uh if you're safari so except for pesach you make him as a not over mata and uh and you recite alameda at the end of it instead of writing it in reciting bicarbonate after broccoli recite um alamichia and uh but on pesach of course it's considered to be bread and you have to wash and you have to make hamas over it so for the lack of lebanese uh i'll tell you the truth i'm not 100 sure i understand what the problem is um again what what is what is that's not it doesn't say anywhere that that bread has to be leavened in order for it to be bred right so it's not that's not that's really not what's defining i mean maybe it's just the shortness of the whole process that brings it into being i don't know you know being edo i'll try to look into it and work out what the uh why why we have these differences of opinions amongst ashkenazim and this fardhin um disappointing me if they have to make uh they don't have bread they have two mothers i think then you would be able to wash you would be able to send one to the menards that wouldn't be very much different from uh yeah yeah um i don't know i don't people don't really eat mutsu voluntarily do they that's okay in north america i haven't seen it really yeah you know in north america people do anything that's ridiculous right they do that eat matzah voluntarily when does bread become as an when does bread becomes or not so here let's work out the halal concept over here and then let's work out what's really going on um in order for bread to be considered to be this or not it needs to have added to it some kind of an ingredient which is going to either dilute it in a certain way or make it sweet so the general way of making masanot bread is to add apple juice into it and if it's got a certain sweetness to it then that's considered to be ms or not there are differences again of opinion amongst the ashkenazim and amongst the sfardin as to how much is required in order for this thing to be miss or not according to the svadin they are more uh they're more lenient so just a little bit of apple juice is enough to turn it into not for the ashkenazim it needs to have a sweet taste to it in order for it to be considered to be ms or not um other ways of turning bread intimas or not is by adding milk which is a problem it's a problem halachically because bread which is dairy needs to look different from regular bread the only places that i know of that add milk into their dough are normally pizza parlors and that's okay because everything is milk anyway right so you don't have to be concerned that somebody's going to use your dough and eat it with a with a uh with a meat meal because it's coming out of a dairy establishment anyway that's another way of being able to make of being able to make bread into a mezonas that's one of the reasons why by the way when it comes to cake and things like yeast cake that once you start adding in the ingredients that are going to turn into something which is sweet it's not going to be bread anymore even though the basic dough is something that you could use to turn into bread if you wanted to purim here again right in england they have a custom which as a kid i used to adore around purim time they would take khalas regular colors and they would coat them with some kind of a sweet syrup on the top and then and sprinkle them with hundreds and thousands like you know colored sprinkles and which were delicious not the bread but you know being able to scoop off the especially my mother wasn't watching to scoop off the you know the sprinkles and to eat them with my finger that was definitely okay they they are hamoiti because the bread itself is bread right in order to turn the bread into amazonas you have to the the ingredients have to be added in to the mixture right so when you're taking a regular dough mixture you're taking making regular bread and then you're going to coat it with something which is going to turn into something sweet that's not changing the bread itself when you add it into the ingredients so then it becomes something which is no longer considered to be bread and then you would make them as a knot over it you do have interestingly enough here in israel as well um colors that are baked with raisins inside especially around rosh hashanah time but some people eat them all year round i personally am rather partial to raisins um you know as we you know get to talk about food over here you'll begin to realize that uh you know given the choice between something which is relatively healthy and something which is going to be less healthy i will always choose the less healthy option that's why grapes of course are relatively healthy even though they've got quite a high sugar content raisins are reasonably unhealthy because they are full of sugar and that's why i like them um when you add raisins into your dough right when you want to bake sweet color that's okay you're not doing anything to change the status of the bread itself you're just adding the raisins in and the raisins are going to give the sweetness it's not that you're adding in enough ingredients over here to turn it into something which is not um do you have to make an eight eight when you're eating the challah here it's an interesting thing you know what i should we touched on this yesterday uh maybe maybe maybe we should just take off a minute here and just clarify you do not have to make an eights over anything that you would eat together with bread right now when you're eating raisin challah by definition the raisins are part of the challah and therefore you're obviously eating them together i'm trying to think you know i i don't know if people in here would do this and if you would i'm not sure that you would admit to it in public but some people eat banana sandwiches you know take a banana and squish it up and and put it in between bread and then eat it yes i know i guess i i i really i should have i should have warned you before i mentioned this that it was going to be uh one of these you know unsavory bits of information that you really don't want to know but apparently there are people out there that eat banana sandwiches if you were to eat for us normal people who do not eat banana sandwiches so if you were going to eat a banana you would have to make a boy priyandama over it before you ate it uh even if you're eating it inside of the meal for somebody who eats banana sandwiches so eating banana and bread together is something that they do and then they wouldn't need to have to make a extra broccoli let's say that why something no no i'm not let's say that the son who likes eating crisps for example he might put crisps inside his sandwich yeah so what is it yeah that would have then you would just make camoy the truth of the matter is that chris chris which are what do you call them in america chips no yeah the chips are french fries well they used to be french fries now the freedom fries the the uh if you you know chips or crisps are things which are generally eaten you know people eat them inside of a meal anyway so it's not something that you would have to make an extra broker over when you come to eat it even though you've made ammunition is going to cover the eating of the of the crisps and the chips as well um however right mizona's bread or amazonas pizza doesn't matter misonas rolls whatever they are they are a creation that has been invented in our generation because we are so pathetic that we don't have time to wash our hands and sit down and eat and therefore we're going to get around the problem by having as much bread as we want without having to wash and bench because on afterwards of course like with most of these ridiculous inventions it doesn't really work like that the locker is a lot more complicated than that which means if you're going to sit down and it's called in the locker it's called being conveyor a sooner you're going to sit down and you're going to make a meal your intention your intention is to sit down and have a meal right and you're going to have them as a knot roll together with what you've just sat down with or you can have a mazona sandwich whatever it is then you have to wash you have to relate to that as being hamoitse you have to wash you have to make a moist oven and you have to bench afterwards as well a practical ramification of all of this if you ask me which you didn't but i'm going to tell you anyway is when you go on an airplane um airplane food and i'm just using that term generically i once had an interesting idea that when the stewardess walks up and down and says to chicken or beef she's asking you what it is because she doesn't know either but aeroplane food normally comes with a roll the kosher food normally comes with a zonus roll i have a i i personally i don't think it helps very much when you get your airplane meal you're going to be you're going to have a meal it's a being covered sooner uh i think you have to get up and you have to wash if you want to eat if you want to eat the roll and you have to get up you have to wash and you have to treat it like a moist and you have to bench off to us i don't i don't really depends what you're eating if you have if you could make like a meal some people say i'm gonna watch but they have uh chicken or rice and it becomes a meal yeah i think you still have the bench no you you know it is true that inside of our lockers you've eaten enough so there is a tad there is an opinion in that locker which says that you could you should bench because inside of mention we say that i ate and i'm satisfied and if you wait you are satisfied so there is an opinion that says that even though you didn't wash you should bench afterwards um to everybody's intense relief that's not normally the accepted way of doing it so that you can have an enormous meal and you can make a quick burn or flush us at the end and dash out of there without too many problems yeah um so for someone who doesn't have gluten for allergy purpose or some other purpose right uh then so they wouldn't ever have to yeah good question i i have a uh i have a son-in-law one of my son-in-laws suffers from mercy bless you one of my so my are you allergic to my son-in-law what am i going away son's in law right one of my son's in law has celiac um which means that he can't he he has a gluten intolerance during the week he doesn't wash there are rolls that are made my daughter makes in roles that are made out of a special kind of a uh of a flower which doesn't have any gluten in it it's not one of the five grains that you can make flour with and you have to wash for which means that he doesn't uh he doesn't wash on shabbos he has his his uh his roles are made out of his i'm trying to remember his roles are made out of some maybe maybe spelt maybe huh because i'm you know what i can't remember what it's made out of but it's it's something yeah right so it's made it's made out of something that he has to wash for and he has to bench over even though it's not the kind of stuff that that but most people don't use it um on pesach and again because of mata mata is also a problem there's special you know i can't remember whether it's i can't know whether it's made out of oat or spelt i can't remember but also one of those what are those are you are you gluten intolerant uh there was a period of time where i wasn't having having any gluten and i was getting spelt and i got spelt mud stuff yeah okay so maybe maybe that's what it is i don't you look like a pretty intolerant fellow to me so uh you know i'm not i'm not surprised to hear this i'm really not um but that yeah so the emphasis like this that he he eats you know he very rarely washes during the week but on shabbos they've got this special uh special the truth is that today you know it's a little bit of an inconvenience to get to the shops right but there are shops today that are that are stocked full of of gluten-free you know raw material and baked material everything you know it's really quite something it really is um you know 20 years ago somebody was gluten intolerant and they just had to suffer because there was nothing around but again if you ask me i think that mozona's roles amazonas peter amazonas bread is a i think it's a little bit of a cop-out i really do it used to drive my mother nuts she says when when i when i was a teenager this is when these things first started coming out she said she used to tell us you know if you want to sit down and you want to eat then ben you know wash and bench and eat but don't don't come along with this newfangled uh idea of having a something which looks like a pita smells like a pizza and tastes like a pizza and just happens to have a little bit of apple juice inside of it and therefore you know it's okay you can get away with it um i do think that there is a halachic issue over here as well like i mentioned before if you're going to sit down and have a meal then i don't think it helps you very much to have a mozilla's role let's hold on a second let's talk about peter simply because i noticed that when you mentioned the word pizza eyes lit up everywhere let's talk about pizza if you eat one slice of pizza you can make amazonis over it like what is pizza is made out of a dough it's got a dough base and then it's got whatever whatever kind of you know tomato paste and the other stuff that i put on top of it whatever kind of toppings you people go for if you're going to have two slices of pizza because of the amount of of uh dough that's going to be eaten that's considered to be being covered sooner you're sitting down and having a meal now and according to most authorities you need to wash you need to make hamoiti and you need to bench after you've finished eating your two pieces of pizza now it is conceivable for some people over here you might say well two pieces of pizza is really just a snack for me um you know it's i don't look at that as being a meal if i were to sit down and have a meal of pizza then i would have four pieces of pizza not two um and uh if that's the case then you probably need to ask a question you need to ask a sheila from from you know somebody whether if i eat two pieces do i need to don't i need to wash it's a kind of a little a little bit of a gray area over there but under normal circumstances if you're going to have two bits of pizza then that's going to be turned into a meal just something which red moisture mentioned a couple of days ago is uh interestingly enough if you're going to sit down and you're going to eat a large amount of mozonas and you know from the beginning that that's what you're going to do so you've got a great big bag of pretzels or a great big bag of crackers and you're going to sit down and you're going to work your way through them then you really need to wash and uh again it's cool you're being covered even if you're eating nothing else together with it you're just having those crackers and you would need to wash and you would need to bench afterwards big pack of crisps crisps and no because chris the broccoli chris is our dumber again chips i'm sorry i have to translate this into american right uh crisps or chips and chips are french fries so now they're freedom fries chips and fish huh are you english yes don't you say in english chips and fish yes they do i i get again french fries chips when you're referred to chips yes those are french fries of course in england we don't we don't we don't refer to the french at all that's a little that's right that's a it's a little bit of a sensitive issue over here yeah patrick you want to tell you i was you had said something about how some uh to distinguish between hamodsi and mizonos the addition of like a sweetener or something like that and if this was before you mentioned um the amount of pizza that you eat but you did say that some people you know see pizza as something that was sweetened in the making of it with that in mind even if you had two pieces or more yeah why does it then no longer because again what what's what's the problem risotto is a uh it's a it's a somewhat difficult thing to define which means that even though apple juice has been added into the dough of the pizza and it means that it really it means that technically it's amazonas if you're going to eat enough of it then that's considered to be turning what you've just done into a meal and if it's a meal then you need to make hamoiti over it and it's a problem with that with the mezonas is that it's it's got this like crossover point where it hasn't it hasn't changed what you're eating hasn't changed at all um again you know take a bag of crackers if you're going to eat your way through a whole bag of crackers you need to wash and you need to need to make a muzzy and bench even though somebody else comes along and takes one of those crackers that might come as onus and that's that's all they're going to do let's talk about rice rice is a little bit complicated rice is something which grows however because rice is something which uh fills you up pretty pretty substantially unless you go to a chinese restaurant and then half an hour later you're hungry again have you noticed that chinese restaurants you know it's interesting um the don't look at me like that the the uh the rice the correct broccoli makeover rice is normally amazonas we're talking about rice which has been through some kind of a process in order to get it onto your plate whether it's brown brice whether it's white rice there are different opinions in the locker as to whether brown rice is mizonas and white rice it should be a shahakal because it's been through such a such a process that it's no longer it just doesn't bear the resemblance of what rice once had however most most uh poison as far as i know ashkenazi post kim rule that white rice and brown rice you should make a misonas over it it could be if i remember correctly it depends on how brown rice is cooked depends on whether it's summers or not or whether it's a or whether it's hardama i'm sorry not shahiko um but i need to i need to look into that what is interesting about raiso is that the after broker of rice is not ala mercier normally when you eat something which is mesonus so when you make your after broccoli you make a slightly longer it's it's sort of like it's it's shorter than beer katamazon but it's longer than the barena fashot which is recited for other things that we eat however when you eat rice so the correct after brocco for rice is going to be boring fashot and not alaba because it's it falls in between the cracks it really isn't this and it isn't that either right because of the uh it's kind of difficult to to classify exactly how we're going to relate to rice whether it's mozonas or whether it's not mizonis therefore the after broccoli is going to be something which is going to be boring fashot here what do we do with what we do with identifiable bits of food we spoke about this a little bit yesterday right but identifiable bits of food inside of other foods so for example there is a rather bizarre dessert in england called summer pudding which is berries all kinds of berries mixed together and cooked together and then it's covered with slices of bread now this is england right so this is considered to be a delicacy don't ask me why you're supposed to use white bread because then it soaks in the color of the berries and it's got a very nice hue to it it's just it's rather odd what do you do with something like that so i think you're supposed to be washing and making hamoitse over summer pudding personally i would suggest you don't bother eating it actually but that's just my huh it's really really really rather really rather odd uh like an awful lot of english foods what about scones scones well scums are interesting actually what are scones scones are scone the the the scones are made from they're made from a batter and then they are baked and they normally have sometimes have raisins inside of them they are sweet right they're cooked they're cooked it's not it's not really a bread it's cooked as some kind of a cake-like substance again being english it's really rather odd um what broccoli should you make of it you should make them a zodiac silver scones interesting stuff jacqueline is a yemenite concoction it is artery clogging it is it is a dough that is made with large amounts of oil very large amounts of oil and it's then baked there's enough oil in there to stop it from being amoity which means you make them in sony jackman um those that have been fried you do not make a mutilate over them huh why why is that because it's considered to be it's considered to have changed its status right which from from from hamilton it's no longer it's no longer it's not no longer classified as bread in the in the regular in the term and it's now turned into something which has been fried and you would make them a zona so for it uh again i would change the ingredients the ingredients haven't changed but what you've done with it has now changed which means in the same way that if you add enough sweetness into the dough it becomes amazonic over here it's no longer considered to be a part of the hamilti family even though it looks looks like bread and that's why there are certain you know again certain foods uh malawach right what is malawik is really something which a person should be making hamilti over it's layers and layers and layers of dough very thin that have been pressed together they a lot of oil has been added in and then they're fried up once they've been fried up then you don't have to worry about it you make a zone is over instead of making hamoichi over it um i do think again you know in england well i don't know what's going on today but in england another bizarre concoction is something called fried bread they'll take slices of bread and they'll fry them in butter and oil and then they'll add they'll put fried eggs on top of them and just in case you know if that were if you were still alive at the end of all of that then obviously you haven't done it properly um well what should you do with something like that if you ask me i think you should if you were going to eat something like that maybe first choice is not to eat it and the second choice is i think you need to wash find yourself a piece of bread make a mighty over it and then eat the fried bread because it's a little a little bit of a problem um here an intra interesting halachic uh an interesting halachic dilemma croutons how do you make croutons you take bread leftover bread and you toast them normally they're you know if you put enough oil in them they actually taste quite good put some salt on them a little bit of spices and you can do all kinds of things with them what do you do with something like that so it really depends on interestingly enough it depends on the status of the bread that's being used if the bread was made in order to make croutons then you make a misonas over them and you do not make hamoiti over them if they were just like most croutons they were left over bread that you want to do something with them rather than throw them out they begin to get a little bit stale and if you you know if you make croutons then you can turn into something edible then they retain their status of being of hamoiti and you need to wash before you eat them with cholent and say i don't know barley so you're gonna say amazonos but it's the kind of it's eric's israel croutons the yellow ones the ones kids go yeah crazy over i mean kids are crazy here anyway so that doesn't change anything does it no no uh interesting enough talking about challenge right challenge is this rather odd unique sorry the challenges is rather unique concoction um the reason why we eat chalant is because we want to prove that we are not karaites the karaites believed only in the in the written torah not in the oral torah and uh one of the things that the written torah says that you shouldn't kindle any fire on shabbos according to the karate according to the the the uh karate opinion that means that you can't have any kind of fire in your home you can't have any light in your home on shabbos and in order to prove that we are not karaites we eat we're very careful and shabbos morning to eat something hot and that's where the challenge comes from challenge which according to rashi is comprised of two french words of chole which means hot and long and you know you just take stuff you throw it into pot whatever whatever whatever that happens to be on the kitchen counter that's what gets put into this thing um and it just sits there and you know cooks and cooks and cooks and cooks and at some point it gets given out in shabbos morning uh charlotte if you're eating challenge and you have not washed so shower this morning maybe you know what you go to a kiddish right you haven't gone home yet you haven't made your suni yet they're serving up challenge holland's a little bit of an interesting concoction because it's got lots of different broca foods in it that are completely identifiable right charlotte nothing nothing everything just remains as is so you might have barley in there you might have potatoes in there you might have meat in there which means that you're going to have to fish around and make three different broccolis over your challenge because you've got three different identifiable food stuffs inside of there right you know what if you're having what this fadi version called chamin so maybe there'll be chickpeas in there as well which is going to be a fourth a fourth brocco that needs to be made over what it is that you're eating but you would have to make them a zonus over the barley you would have to make a hadama over the potato and you would have to make a shahakal over the meat or any any other you know whatever else might be in there you know sometimes people put eggs in their choline or bits and pieces of who knows what um again if you given soup you haven't washed you've been given a bowl of soup and you put lots you put lots of mandala inside these little yellow little little yellow square things that make the children go mad um the uh the uh you they these if you want to know why the israeli children are mad it's because until not very long ago these little yellow squares had uh what's it called that stuff yellow the yellow food coloring sunset yellow that they found that was uh incredibly unhealthy um come on you must remember there's no um something with a t you know no not turmeric no no no some kind of some kind of a you know chemical that they put into it to give it that beautifully natural fluorescent yellow look um and uh that's why the kids were nuts but uh the food dye yeah yeah i don't i don't know the name but i know what you're talking about good okay that's good because no one else seems to i'm looking around the room however if if you are having a bowl of soup and you've got in your bowl of soup let's say you're having vegetable soup right again you're going to run into it the problem of maybe three brothers over here because you've got the brocco that you have to make them a zonus over the little the little croutons right you would have to make hadama over the vegetables bits of identifiable vegetable that's in there right and you would have to make a charcoal over the liquid what do you do if the soup has been liquidized then you just make a shahakal once you don't have any identifiable bits of food in there then you just make a shackle which we'll talk about in the show when we get there but that's a generic that's a generic broker that's recited that's going to get us off the hook i always thought you'd make another on a vegetable soup so again it depends really does depend on what it is that you see inside of there right if it's been liquidized properly then you should be making shahakal over it if it's if you've got bits of vegetables in there and it does happen sometimes when you liquidize the soup then sometimes certain things just don't get uh they don't get scrunched up inside of the liquidizer uh so you've got like a piece of carrot in there that's obviously a piece of carrot then you should make our dummer over the piece of carrot and you should be making a charcoal over the soup why is that isn't there such a thing that when you have an apple sitting in water and the water comes tasting like an apple you're making eggs who says that when it comes to fruit juices so if you're going to drink let's say fresh orange juice right so most opinions are that you should recite shahakal over fresh orange juice because it's no longer it no longer bears any resemblance to the fruit that it was because has an opinion that if the fruit was grown in order to make juice then you should make bori pirates over the over the over that fruit juice that's a minority opinion yeah um so again fruit fresh fruit juices if you go off to you know you go off into town and you get yourself a fresh fruit juice over there something that's squeezed on the spot then under normal circumstances you would make a shahakal over it because it's no longer it's no longer the fruit that it was what about frozen yogurt what about a frozen yogurt that is still because it's changed consistency well yogurt i mean again yogurt in general yogurt is shahakal so even when it freezes it remains a shahako and if you put fruit on top if you put fruit on top you would have to end up making two different broccolis over here i'm always you should know that i'm always a little bit unsure you get fruit yogurts today that have lots of bits of fruit inside of them and i think that it's probably correct to make two broccolis over it right one broccoli with a piece of fruit and one brocco over the yogurt itself although there are definitely opinions that say that you can just make a shihako over the yogurt the fact that there are bits of fruit in there is you know just happens to be part of the yeah i don't know it's a again you're asking you're asking questions which are a little they're a little bit difficult to define um if the fruit is identifiable right now that does not mean for example you're having kiwi ice cream now kiwi's got little black pits inside of it right little black seeds inside of it which are edible um if you obviously your kiwi ice cream is going to have it's going to be full of little bits and pieces i don't that for sure is not something that you need to make a separate broker over uh if you're talking about i don't know for example over here in israel a uh a popular ice cream is vanilla and cherry ice cream if you've got bits of cherry inside of the ice cream i think you have to try to work out for yourself what over here you know we spoke about yesterday the ikar and the tefl the icker is the ice cream with the icker is the ice cream then you just make a shahakal over it that's that's why you're eating it if you are enjoying the ice cream and you're enjoying the fruit each as its own then maybe you do need to make two different broccolis over it but it's got to be something which is big enough to be able to identify as whatever it was that's because if you're if it's the only kind of ice cream you eat cherry vanilla that was that the example then you would wouldn't you say the puffle and icker wouldn't you just say that you would say it for the icker that's your preference and it would be a hiates period if that was the only ice cream you ate you didn't eat chocolate or whatever i'm not sure but you're still you're still eating it as ice cream yeah so the question over here again how are we going to define what what's the occur and what's the tefl right would you would you eat these i mean i imagine you're eating it because it's ice cream i i'm not sure but i i think my my feeling is that you would for sure you would have to make a shackle of what you're eating the question over here is whether you would have to make eight as well over the cherries to try to remember i'll try and look into it see see what's what i'm pretty disturbed son by the hamazi and the zionists only said you're making something that's fried i don't understand what is it that changes the technicality of it's so heat that makes the dough into something oh it's not it's not a it's not it's nothing to do with any kind of a physical change it's to do with the halachic change i'm not 100 sure what happens at the the the oil oil pattern because the normal way of making bread is in the oven and if it's b if it's going to be if it's going to be cooked in a different way then uh maybe yeah maybe that's what maybe that maybe the baking process is part of what is turning this into hermoisi frying is called frying is not called baking frying is called frying inside of halakha right again i mean something something that has been through a frying process is not regarded in the same way as something that's been through a baking process whatever i mean i'll try to bleed or i'll try to french toast what is that oh french toast again what is french says we take a piece of toast and you soak it in egg you know beaten up eggs and then you fry it um see a lot of people watch what's the problem the piece of toast it still looks like bread right and the bread the bread has been baked already we said bread is something that you need to make an emoji over right what you're doing now is you're adding egg and you're frying it in a frying pan i i think you would i think you would need to wash over french toast as well yeah again i mean coming coming from england we we don't eat french toast because it's got the word french in it's not ukrainian i've been yummy don't don't take this uh don't take it personally it's just that's actually really fast anyway that's the soreness um at the end of eating amazonics you have to make the brocco alamicha interestingly enough there are other things that you have to make in alameda over as well there are three different kinds of foodstuffs that you have to make they're special after broccoli one of them is the zonus one of them is wine if you drink wine then you need to make instead of making an alamic you make a lagethe and the other one is certain fruits that if you eat them you also have to make an ally eighth vale pr eights and uh you see inside of the art school sydney they explain what what needs to be done um but it's something to keep keep in mind right um if you don't want to make an alamic i guess you know the uh the moral of the story is to stay away from fruit no no the moral of the story is not to eat the zonus sorry let's talk about things that grow on trees boripia eights that's relatively simple and i think almost anything that grows on a tree you have to make a bori priya eats over it right fruits we have there are a few things which even though they look like they grow on trees are not body preads they do not fulfill the criteria of being trees according to halocha so bananas banana is a classic example a banana is considered to be a shrub according to alocha according to the criteria uh and therefore when you make continued banana you should make bori had a theory at the beginning many many years ago that chocolate you should make bori priya eights over chocolate because it came from the cacao bean and and you know however he came to the realization that uh that first of all the ingredients there's a lot more in chocolate than just cacao and aside from that the whole cacao bean itself is not edible by itself it's got to be it's got to go through a whole process in order to be able to do something with it uh coffee once coffee if you were to eat a coffee bean which is very very bitter i don't i don't know if anyone would actually do that but if you were to eat a coffee bean do you know what i'm not 100 sure what the definition of a coffee it's probably also a shrub i would have thought actually i don't think it's a tree no again what's it what's its definition i don't know but if if you were to eat a coffee bean then presumably you would have to make either a dum or eight depending on what the definition of the tree is once it's turned into coffee though then you make a shahakal over it what happens if you put lemon in your teeth for example a piece of lemon or just lemon juice lemon juice lemon juice is okay it it becomes a shahaka you don't have to make a special brocco over it if you're going to have lemon tea and you're going to have a piece of lemon floating around on the top and you you're going to eat that piece of lemon as you know many people do then at that point you would have to make our eights on the lemon and shahakal on the tea um yeah are there some other examples you could give me for like banana that are there other examples of bananas yeah that we wouldn't say uh there are bananas uh but there are peanut butter would that be a donut a lot of people eat bananas with peanut butter in america yeah yeah it's a common thing patrick i don't i don't know where i don't know where you come from but everything is now beginning to be clear and i am prepared to take your testimony and to one of those spinning hot chocolate thingies and you put strawberries inside the hot chocolate a spinning hot chocolate you know what i mean no no you don't have to die yeah chocolate fountain chocolate fountain yeah and then you put a strawberry on the chocolate yeah so i would suggest like this you you need to make hardama on the strawberry and you need to make a shahakal on the chocolate i think because they both of them are as delicious as each other um cranberry is from a tree restaurant cranberries are complicated uh there are different opinions according a different uh a lot of berries are complicated actually uh blueberries it's not 100 different different opinions inside of unlocking whether you make a 8 or whether you make our dhamma over it um what do you do when you're not sure so actually there's an interesting little bit of a locker over here that if you're not sure whether something is our eights or whether it's our diamond you can make our dhamma over it because the tree grows out of the ground anyway which means that your what's the idea when you make the broccoli you're trying to make the broccoli as exact as possible so when you're eating something that grew on a tree it's boripia eights and that's as that's as exact as the broccoli can get but if you're not sure then you can make a body pierdoma you're just it's like one step before it's like one step in the process before having got to the tree the tree itself is growing in the ground and you can make our dhamma over it i'm trying to think if there are other uh avocado is also hard armor what avocado they're growing trees trees they grow in trees they grow on trees avocado trees uh and yet again because of the it's it's to do with the way it's to do with how they produce their fruit how often they produce their fruit um avocados are also high dumber i i'm trying to think i'm not sure that i can think of you know one thing i was brought up that way the uh stalks of the sugar cane yeah that you used to take so that i think you should make harder over there yes because you would take the stuff and it was good it's sweet excellent yeah also tomatoes and the coconut yeah you get it from the trees yeah there's juice inside yeah so here what do you do with coconuts coconuts they've got the they've got the coconut itself and there's coconut milk inside if you're going to drink the milk you need to make a charcoal over it you make it you make a blooper eight over the coconut over the fruit but the juice inside because it's a separate entity why it's not squeezed like you squeeze something out of order because it's it's something which exists i mean it exists you can't say yeah you can't you can't you can't say that it exists without the coconut because obviously it needs the coconut to be in there but the it need it what it's a liquid right which means that it takes on it takes on the brocco of a liquid as opposed to the brocco of the coconut itself right so if you again you know we used to have coconuts from time to time and uh if you uh if you eat the coconut itself you make a burpier eights and if you're gonna drink the milk out of it then you need to make a shackle over it yeah you know when you've come back way further when you make a record you won't be thinking oh wow good question okay well what are you supposed to think about when you're making a broker you're supposed to be thinking of the fact that our college balcony brought this for you to be able to eat i once asked my rebbe how does one how do you know brokers are things that you say every day right you say them all day every day how does one how do you retain a sensitivity to what you're doing you know see people sometimes that the things already in their mouth they haven't even finished the brother yet it's already you know in there um so he said something very interesting i've used over the years it's something which is very simple and it works very well just take off a nano second before you make the broker and look at what you're making the broker over just to have a sense of appreciation that's all you look at that apple and you you think you know ah okay and then you come back then you're ready to make the brother yeah yeah sorry pleasure that you're looking at you're making you're making a broker over the fact that you're about to eat it right um tomorrow if you remind me we'll talk about the the the time when you don't make a broker over something but under normal circumstances because you're about to eat this thing you're going to make a broker the pleasure that you have and the pleasure that you get from looking at it and the pleasure that you get from from the taste of it is a what's called a ma nam it's something that was given to us by cottage volkl for free in order for us to enjoy the experience right again like we spoke about yesterday the day before about oranges that you know the oranges we eat oranges because they taste great right and we get a lot of pleasure you get a lot of pleasure from looking at oranges because they look beautiful right um but the you know the goodness that the orange is giving us is really that's what we need the vitamins and the minerals that could contain inside of the orange aquarius bulk made these things look good in order for us to want to eat them i'm sorry you want you were waving your hand around before no we're out of time oh it's okay you can see we're not paying any attention to that why um why do we do show call on uh certain liquors like um like plum brandy but we do uh it's on wine i mean it's still a album we make a berry pie giffen on wine not not at eight right it's true that under normal the real question over here should be the other way round right which means that the real question over here is not why do we make shahakal on on alcohol on liquors and why do we make sure we should ask you why do we make butter pie gift over wine if something if something is a liquid normally you make shahakal over it it would make more sense to make sure i call over a wine than to make her eights over plum liquor um and i see that you you chose immediately one of the most you know explosive uh liquors around right sliverbits is like you know 500 proof or something you can run your car on it um and the answer is we spoke about the other day that the gemara says it because wine is something that's got its own designation because it's something very special it's something which elevates it gives us it gives us pleasure it gives us joy uh it's also something which was used inside of the temple it was brought as libation offerings therefore there's a special a special brothel which is recited over wine which is not recited over regular liquors however my my uh my mother said that when they were kids growing up so on pesach they used to go to a hotel the whole family the extended family there were lots and lots and lots of them my mother said that she had an uncle who used to start off his day every day with a a glass of whiskey not a shot a glass not on pesach on pace like he suffered terribly because you can't drink whiskey so my my uncle the first year that he was in yeshiva he was in montreux in switzerland and he came back with a bottle of sliver bits for this uncle to give it to him and my mother said that the first that first peter the whole hotel was woken up in the morning by hearing this fellow screaming his head off he's trying to kill me i'm going to die because slytherin is how you know however strong whiskey is it's like twice as powerful and he took his regular you know his regular amount just knocked it back and uh so i'm pleased to see that you went straight for the straight for the real stuff the man stuff right my family loves you