Meat & Milk: Cooking Utensils - Rabbi Shlomo Cohen

[Music] today I want to start talking into the today shear about getting into the kitchen more let's talk about the pots and pans and meet a milk in the kitchen a mixture in a mix of the mixing of meat and milk the Torah tells us look tada Shelby but how lovely more you're not allowed to cook a kid kid goat in the milk of its mother the Torah tells us this three times it doesn't suffice with telling us it henyk telling us this is a once it tells us three times why does it tell us this three times the reason why it says sets as it's three times is because there are three separate is Suren three separate of errors involved here one is that we shouldn't eat meat and milk together the second is that we shouldn't cook meat and milk together and the third is that we shouldn't get any benefit from meat or milk that was cooked together not to eat meat and milk together we all understand not to eat together meat and milk that was cooked together not that yesterday I saw going to the Torah not to cook meat and milk together that would mean that if you get a job in a non-jewish restaurant and they're asking you to just cook the meat and look together that also you shouldn't do that's a not cut non kosher job the third is not to get any benefit from it that means if someone gives you a cheeseburger you can't throw it to your dog because by throwing it to your dog you're getting benefit you're saving a meal that you would have to feed him those are the three is sorem that has all told us that the Torah tells us that we have with connection to meat and milk the Torah tells us here that POSIX says you're not allowed to cook the two together what about if you soak the two together soaking the two together is what's called it's a Durban and if you were to put meat in a cold meat in cold milk and leave it there for 24 hours it's considered as if you cook the two together it's like the process of pickling covers what we call it in Hebrew but cooking generally means that it was above a temperature of 45 degrees centigrade once you passed that temperature of 45 degrees century centigrade what we call yad solid is bull that means the heat that would burn your hand that is considered as you do as your as you're cooking the things together we have another rule in caches which we're going to have to bring in here which is called tom cacao the taste the Tam is like the ecard like the thing itself the taste of the milk is like milk the taste of the meat is like meat what does that mean if you have a pot that you have cooked milking you boiled milk in the pot itself is going to absorb the taste of the milk so after you've cleaned out that pot and you've scrubbed it and washed it and there's not a trace of milk left in that pot nevertheless there is still milk the taste of milk is absorbed in the sides of that pot that taste of the taste of milk is like the milk itself so if I now cook meat in that same pot and the meat gets to a temperature of over 45 degrees centigrade the taste of the milk is now going to come out from the sides of that pot and go into the milk the meat that is cooking in that milky pot and what's it going to do sing as Tom cake are the taste is like the thing itself it's as if I cooked meat and milk together in that pot it's exactly like I cooked meat itself with milk itself inside that pot and therefore the food that I cook there is tres it's meat and milk cooked together unless I have sixty times the amount of milk that was absorbed in the side of the pot which is something that I explained in the previous year is not possible mathematically it does if you did that you can't have that the volume of the pot inside the pot is going to be 60 times the volume of the metal around the pot it may be possible but it's certainly very very rare we don't need to worry that that's what happened so we can always presume that you didn't have 60 and therefore the food inside is going to beat rate it's going to be milk and meat that was cooked together this of course works the other way around as where it doesn't make any difference whether it's a meaty pot or a milky pot so the outcome of cooking meat in a milky pot is going to be that the meat that was cooked inside is aweso to eat its meat and milk together and now the pot itself has absorbed the meat and milk that was cooked inside the pot and so now that the pot itself is going to be absorbed with the taste of trace the taste of meat and milk together and the third outcome that's going to be here is that person that cooked that seeing as he cooked meat and look together as I said low tadashi voted I showed you but I loved him boys told us three times to say that there's an instead of just cooking it together that person did and it's a dear writer of cooking meat and look together because Tom cake on the taste is like the thing itself does this always apply no it does let's now say when it doesn't apply as L told us that this taste of milk that's absorbed in the milky pot the first time I buy a new pot and I boil milk in it and now just it's going to be a milky pot for me that tastes of milk that's absorbed into the sides of the pot only stays fresh for 24 hours after 24 hours that taste of milk that's absorbed in my becomes stale becomes what we call peggle once it's pagan it is no longer milk it's a stale taste of milk it's not milk anymore when it's fresh at the time it's fresh within 24 hours it's considered as milk itself and if I cook any meat in it then I'm tracing up them craving up the meat but once the taste has been there for 24 hours and it's now a stale taste it's a problem taste it's not considered as milk anymore and it will not also any meat that was cooked in it this thing of a 24 hours that the taste becomes a stale taste only applies to taste it's absorbed inside a pot or a knife or a spoon will speak later one about knives and spoons but it does not apply the food that absorbed traif that absorbed milk right its food absorbed milk if milk was talked called on a schnitzel or something while it was hot and it absorbs the taste of that milk then we don't say that after 24 hours the taste has become a stale taste right this this is a rule that only applies to pots and pans and utensils in the kitchen only with them do we say that after 24 hours the taste becomes a stale taste so what does that mean now if we say that the taste of the milk my milky pot once 24 hours of pass the taste is absorbed inside it is no longer a taste of milk so that means I can use my milky pot after 24 hours to cook meat chicken soup in and there should be no problem can I do that no I can't do that the reason why I can't do that is because has out said if you start doing that you're going to make a real mess of your kitchen it is not going to be possible for you to control in a kitchen which is run inside run like that you're going to use a milky pot that was within 24 hours you can't cook the chicken soup in it but once the 24 hours have passed then you can't your couch cooked can soup in it it's not possible to run a Jewish kitchen like that and therefore have out said that you are not allowed to use a milky pot even after 24 hours of passed even after what we it's what we called an a no been yomo that means 24 hours apart even then you're not allowed to use it for the other type whether it's meat or milk you're not allowed to use it to cook meat to cook your chicken soup in it because you're going to mess up your kitchen it's just not going to be possible but if you did by mistake use that meat a milky pot to cook meat in seeing as the taste of milk is not there anymore so the meat that you're the chicken soup that you cooked in is milky pot after 24 hours when it's an aim of an youma does not become awesome it does not become awesome and you can drink that chicken soup but what about the pot and that's all buddy ever dry let me emphasize again this is only a beedi evident allaha if you by mistake you took your milky pot after 24 hours of paths from the last time that you used it and you had to cook chicken soup in that pot so the chicken soup does not become awesome but you have a problem with the pot what's the problem with the pot what are we going to do with this pot now we can't use it for either besar or kai laughs we can't use it for either meet or for milk why can't we use it for milk because it's now is freshly absorbed the taste of the meat that was cooked in it so it certainly can't be used for milk can it be used for meat it can't be used for me because we said that we don't want to start mixing up our Kaling our utensil because it's going to cause a mess in the kitchen so we can't use any of the meat or for milk so what do we have to do with the pot we have to cost you the pot the way we cost of the pot is we do haggle ah haggle ow means that we would put it in boiling water it's a process that maybe we'll talk about in a later shear exactly how you caused you a culture of pot this thought needs to be put aside now for koshering it's interesting that what about if you were to use that pot now remember we're talking about a pot it was a milky pot that was used after 20 more than 24 hours ago and you now cook treating it by mistake that we said the meat is kosher and I said there's nothing you can use the pot for that therefore you have to culture it what about cooking parva in it well if you want to boil potatoes in it and make power of power of mashed potatoes are you allowed to use it for that so strictly speaking you would be able to do that there's a principle here called knot by knot you have to explain later that the power of thing that I cooked in a meaty part does not become meaty if I can't eat it together with together with milk but I don't have to wait after its sixth after I've eaten six hours so strictly speaking you would be able to put parent in this pot now because what's absorbed in the in the pot is meat and not trace because more than 24 hours of fast but the custom is that we don't do that we don't use this pot for anything this pot that was mixed is now put aside and we do haggle on it just let me finish off this with one root one one rule about about the 24-hour period if you remember I said within 24 hours we call this pot at been yomel after 24 hours of a glass being used it's an aim of any over once it's in a nubbin yomo it's now strictly speaking not what it is a milky pot after 24 hours is now no longer see the considered as milky we don't use it for meat because they're going to get mixed up but is not considered as meat as as milky after 24 hours it becomes an a no been gobble right it becomes a Tayna been young and the taste is absorbed has become stale has become a Tom let's pagan and is not going to trace up any meat that I mistakenly cooked inside that pot but what's going to be actually how we gonna actually keep countless how we're going to keep track of this of whether we used pots between within 24 hours or didn't use them within 24 hours so if we know then we know and that's fine and we go after what we know did we use it with printer than 24 hours or did we not use it but if we don't know right in your kitchen you don't know you haven't kept track of where they went which pot you used when so in a private kitchen you can presume that every pot is an a nubbin youma it was not used within the last 24 hours but if you're in a hotel or in a restaurant when or any or any other industrial kitchen there we presume that everything is a been yomo if we don't know to the contrary and there's a question about whether a pot is a been youma or an aina been yana is a very important question because whenever you have a question of caches with with pots in your kitchen and you go to ask the rabbi what am I supposed to do the first question is going to ask you is was the Potter been yomo or was it in a nub in your room so whether you're the housewife will your Bala buy it you're always going to need to know when any question arises right that's going to be the first question that the rabbi is going to have to ask you when you want to pass can whether the pot is kosher or not kosher whether the food is kosher well not kosher was the Potter Ben yomo or was it a name for you thank you that's enough Rajesh you