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Welcome to our all new podcast on
hidabout where wealth over riches. I'm
here today with Jonathan Rand Balchuva
business mogul. Being the CFO of Stray
Path, that company ended up selling for
over a billion dollars. So Jonathan,
I don't know if you're ready for this
question. You ready?
>> I hope so. I'll try. I'm I'm about to
get into your kishkas.
>> A lot of us were struggling. You know,
life is not easy. Life is full of
challenges. Share with us your strongest
struggle both in your personal life
>> and in your business life.
>> It's a great question. I'm really glad
you brought it up because there is this
facade. It's really a facade that people
these external things and yes, everybody
struggles. Everybody has challenges. I
definitely have had and continue to have
a lot of personal challenges and
challenges in different parts of my
family. I'll I'll tell you some some
I'll not get into here but uh I uh you
know when I made that transition to be
become Orthodox I went like maybe 95%
over a long time to becoming kosher and
when I was you know to the world very
kosher I had a very strong I'm a little
embarrassed to say but this is not my
worst sin either I'm just going to say
out there very strong taup for
McDonald's fish and after I was like
shabas
kosher everything still I would be I've
been on a trip, you know, and see if
McDonald's fish I'd sneak in there and
have McDonald's fish and every year yam
kapor fish and other things too. It's
not but it it it took a very long time
and I was a tremendous safer um called
mktabas drive for truth talks about the
behind where you have to move. I really
used that safer to work on that like
this. You get such great ideas from some
sparum and teachers and all that.
Anyway, I don't believe I'll lead a
McDonald's fish anymore, but it maybe
took eight or 10 years for me to every
year try to stop. And there other things
I have other struggles and this idea of
slowly getting better. I'm a huge fan of
that. The idea of how you could, you
know, use benefit from taking Roshanapor
so seriously. It's such a gift to us to
really be forgiven. You have to come in,
you know, looking at yourself carefully.
Judaism makes you work if you take it
seriously.
>> Where was there a place that you felt
that there was something in business
which was a real
>> struggle? That's a great question. I
tell anybody getting into business
seriously that I'd say a third to half
of what you deal with is unexpected
problems and how you deal with them kind
of separates the men from the boys. I've
seen people who can't handle pressure
and they just don't go as well. I feel
like I was probably okay at handling
pressure. But then with my, you know,
Torah beliefs, it helped me a lot. But I
had two situations. If I have time, I
I'll tell you both. Um, one, we were one
time at Main Street, the company we sold
to the London Stock Exchange. Uh, but
early on, we had an investor was going
to give us $5 million, a professional
venture capitalist, and they went very
far. They made a term sheet with us. And
then in the process of which is very
unusual if you get a term sheet not for
them to invest and they backed out and
they said it was because of meow
>> and that was a very difficult difficult
thing. I went to the founder and I said
I we had a disagreement on how I was
looking at the business. They felt I
should be saying this and that and I
felt that was not the way to do it. They
they disagreed with me. I went to the
founder and said look I don't want to
mess you up if you I don't think they're
right. I want to help you. If you want
me to leave, I will just resign it
immediately because I don't want to mess
up your business. And that was that took
a lot of thought and in you know my own
personal struggle to say like
do I kind of argue that they're no good
or do I and I I I felt it was the right
thing to do to let him choose and he uh
felt that he did not want to work with
that venture capitalist and I should
stay on. But I really let like I I gave
him the choice and that was that was a
difficult
>> feeling. I remember I heard a great
story similar to that idea that somebody
made a mistake in a company that cost
the company half a million dollars. So
he felt like ah you know you feel low
about yourself. You know it hurts. So he
wanted to resign the next day and the
boss called him in. They looked him in
the eye. He said do you really believe
that after I invested a half a million
dollars in you cuz you'll never make
that mistake again. I'm going to let you
leave and give it to another company. No
way. Just one more question because
there's going to be a lot of I I hope
young viewers watching this and a lot,
you know, people really need motivation
today. You know, really people, a lot of
people are trying to find meaning and
purpose and that's why it's so important
this conversation because you're someone
that besides for
>> being successful in the business world,
what was so much more important to you
is your meaning and purpose in your
life. And that's what I really want to
share with the viewers. But it's a lot
it's hard for a lot of guys to find
that, especially kids in colleges and
starting off at work and it's hard to
get motivated. People fall, people have
hard times. What do you think is a good
motivating factor that could really help
a person start pushing forward?
>> Great question, very important. I think
if someone can believe that if I grow in
Judaism, it's going to be good and not
weird and I'm not separating myself. I'm
not become different. I'm the same guy
just more evolved. I'm not like, "No,
there's no cult and brainwashed and all
that." Just make a relationship. Get to
a Shabas dinner. Find a friendly rabbi.
There's amazing rabbis who really
understand people. Make a friend. Go to
whatever you like. Let's say you're
intellectual. Get some learning done. If
you like the singing and the shabas
dinner, just push yourself with the idea
that it's going to be good. And it might
not be every time as good, but know that
this is an area that's as someone who's
like I was saying before, if you're all
business and not spirit, it's not as
good. You can't have it all that way. We
need that. You can do both
>> and you really try to grow in Judaism.
Let the let your journey begin with you
going for it. See where it takes you.
>> So true. Like I like like if anybody has
kids and go on a kalamaya trip and they
could spend like a ton of money on
amusement park, but they came with the
wrong attitude and the thing is a flop.
And then you go with the right pump and
the right perspective and like wow it's
like amazing because you just went to
the park and ate sandwiches. Now every
time I speak to this guy he tells me
like Baroo Hashem I just happened to be
in the right company just like at the
right time. Just it just happens to be
every company that he gets involved in
hits heavy. He got involved with the
next company called Main Street and that
company sold for I think over $400
million and now they're on to a third
company called Groundfloor Energy. Now
besides for these great business
successes, Jonathan is Rand is a person
that gave gives his nishama for Klis
both in supporting institutions but not
only that a lot of times you have
businessmen that you say you know what
I'll hit you with a check but am I going
to give my time is the question. He
actually comes he currently teaches in
Orsameak boys in Gimari. He has Gimar
group and he also teaches in Tel Aiv.
What's the name of the Torah?
>> Torah Tech in Tel Aviv both
educationally in Gimara and at the same
time he teaches business ethics. Thank
you Jonathan. Jonathan, would you mind
opening up for us a little bit about
your background?
>> Glad to. Thank you, Rabbi Hulen. Yes. Um
I was born uh in a Jewish family, Jewish
mom, Jewish dad. parents got divorced
when I was young. My mom got remarried
and I was raised by my mom and
technically my stepfather uh in a
reformed Jewish household and I didn't
know that there was something else like
uh Orthodox. I didn't hear about a lot
of things. I liked being Jewish. I
didn't know about a lot of the halas
that I know now. But still, my mom told
me a thousand times she wants Jewish
grandchildren. Marry a Jewish girl. In
the reformed shul temple really we call
that I went to I was kind of the poster
boy. Like I learned how to read phonetic
Hebrew phonetically when I was 16 and
17. I taught the troublemaker
12-year-olds how to have their bar
mitzvah. But just to put it into
perspective, I never even heard of a
paritfillin. So reform is just a very
different thing than what I've come to
really know and appreciate as Torah
based Judaism. Um and uh there's many
steps that brought me to feel that
there's something much more than reform
and make some changes in my life where I
started to believe differently and
observe differently. And I'm super
grateful that I made that change. I was
influenced by a lot of people and a lot
of reading and a lot of uh just ideas
about life. But uh ended up that uh I um
now consider myself about still working
to get everything down right, but it's a
great path and I'm super super excited
to be here. And
>> what brought you to actually decide that
you're going to become a mainstream
orthodox?
>> Yeah, I had several experiences.
Um, I'd say the first influence was what
I looked at things what I call
scientifically. Like I started to just
understand the like Darwin theory of
evolution that I felt there's no way
that the human eye and the whole human
system balancing when you're walking
just evolved randomly from a one cell
amoeba. Just didn't make any sense. And
then uh I looked at the universe. I
happen to like earth science. I saw the
stars. I was on the beach one night and
the moon rose and I realized that moon
is affecting the tide by me and the
stars and I just felt there was
something guiding this whole thing. Kind
of like this science approach that there
had to be a creator. It just wasn't
random. And then that perled with over a
two-year period I met many people who
told me the history of the Jewish people
is unbelievable. that we've had so many
uh enemies trying to destroy us and yet
we're best known in the world for so
many things and invented so much science
and literature and impacting so much of
life that uh I think many people
probably know the Mark Twain quote when
he says all those other nations are gone
but the Jew lives on and I felt that
something supernatural was happening for
the Jews and that's when it started to
hit me that there's something going on
for us and I looked into it deeper the
first religious concept I heard was
something called hashkah pretis which at
that time took me a long time to even
remember how to pronounce that means
that god supervises the details there's
no such thing as a coincidence and I
related related to that a lot and I just
started to have a layer of looking at
things that it wasn't random that there
was a design and that there was
something above nature that was helping
the Jews survive and thrive and that was
really the beginning of my path towards
sed kite
>> interesting I'm saying it's such an
Actually, it's an interesting debate
just on the side. Like today in Kiraov,
there's a big debate how many people
need the emotional appeal more than the
intellectual. So, I'm just curious on
your thoughts on that.
>> I went through this period in life where
I saw people beard, you know, the whole
thing, and I'd go up to them, I'd say,
"Excuse me, do you mind if I ask you a
couple questions about Judaism?" And
some would be like, "Uh, no thank you."
Others, I really got in these huge
conversations. And one time I did that
to the Kabad Rabbi of Cincinnati on an
airplane and I was working for Proctor
and Gamble in Cincinnati at the time. Um
it was the the one of the big jobs to
get after uh Wharton Business School to
go work at PNG in Cincinnati. And he
said, "Sure, sit down." So I I sat next
to this rabbi and then he invited me for
shabas and I probably went to him maybe
30 times out of the 52 Shabases of the
year and that's where I really started
to learn. That's what it said. you know,
you said, you know, the emotional like I
I didn't come in through the challenge.
I started, you know, through like
science and thinking, but then when I
got to chant, you know, that put me over
the top.
>> It's funny you mentioned the big beard.
I had a kid I have a kid in my class
actually.
>> He's like growing, staging, learning
everything.
>> So he looks at me and like the only
thing he's from like some place out in
Hobbit. So who's there? It's only Kabad.
So he looks at me, he's like, "Are you a
rabbi?" I'm like, "Yeah." He's like, "So
where's your long beard?"
But okay. Wow, that's really amazing. So
it really was an intellectual
experience, but little by little you
grew more emotionally. So as a person
becoming religious, how do you feel that
impacted your life?
>> I am so thankful that I found Torah
Judaism. I feel there's so many layers
that adds to my life really. When you
mention that I like to help other
people, not just writing a check. It's
really that I feel like it is a
treasure. Such a treasure. and the kids
like me who grew up without it. I feel I
was so fortunate and blessed to be the
one out of 100 or whatever the numbers
are defined it but many many layers just
for example my my uh feelings of
thankfulness to people and Hashem and
the is very very strong. I would walk
around with a lot of gratitude and I
also try to walk around with a lot of
the the principle of Gamsuva that this
too is for the good many things everyone
has bigs up and downs big up and downs
in life but when when you know that when
you believe that Hashem is there and
it's actually helping you even though
this not your plan A and it maybe wasn't
even your plan B and please God we don't
have really tragic things there are
tragic things it's harder to deal with
but let's say someone loses a job you
know and you think you're all upset
you're like oh I'm going to get another
job it's going to be okay I needed this
I'm going to grow somehow it just adds
so much and the holidays there's such
depth to the holidays. Every shabas is
like a vacation and that's an
interesting thing. At first I remember I
felt chabas I started to feel shabas was
true and I had to keep it and it was a
bit of a burden and then it grew. I
actually heard a speech here in
Jerusalem many many years ago that
someone said Shabas is a palace of time
and slowly maybe in two or three years I
started to so love Shabas and just come
into it and you know you put away
everything and just focus on the bigger
things and nice times and have pleasure
in a holy way. So there's just so many
aspects to uh Yiddish kite that I feel
enhance my life, enhance my viewpoint,
help me with the ups and downs of
things. I've got deeper connections.
When you learn with someone, have a good
kusa. You get closer. I I feel like
really I feel every Jew has this.
They've won the lottery. They've got the
ticket. You just have to take it out and
play it.
>> Okay. Amazing. There's just like in a
direct way like I definitely hear from
your response that it definitely
changes, you know, your life in general
and realizing hashkah and and happiness
and also shabas. Anything specific about
learning? Let's say a guy says, "You
know what? I want to be religious and
keep Shabas and do the mitzvot, but how
important it is for me to actually have
a kabuta in the morning or at night."
Like, do you feel that the learning
itself? How do you feel the learning
impacted you?
>> I'd say two very important ways. One, in
a way that you can't even really
understand. You like connect to Hashem.
You connect to that guy. My very best
friends are guys that I've learned with
a lot. Something happens that you just
your soul and your mind and your spirit
is into it. And then separately, I feel
it was a side benefit that I did not
even know about. I was told I I was
working in a company with a lot of
religious people and I was just about
choo and they all said to me I was
religious without having really gone to
yeshiva and they said you've got to
learn. You've got to learn. I never knew
what happens on the other side of those
doors. When I finally went there, it
took a while to click for me to start to
get the the kamar. But then there's this
unexpected side benefit that your
thinking is so much more precise. In my
case, I brought that to deal structures
and understanding complicated
negotiations that I could think way
ahead, five steps ahead and what if this
happens and that happens. So for me,
it's been this combination of a much
more precise way of thinking at the same
time is creative. You're thinking of all
the angles. A thing that's very common
in the Gamarra is the Gamar will take
something that's a sentence, a puss from
the Torah and make an inference. Well,
they said this, but they also said that
without saying the words. That idea of
what the inference is hugely important
not just in work but speaking to my wife
who's wonderful we became Baltua
together was really a really beautiful
story and there's there's there's a
layer in your life many not just the
spiritual but you're thinking you're
approaching people let's even say like
forgiving people you just forgive people
so much quicker you know that things
happen for a reason and the idea that
you want to be treated how you treat
people is how you hope Hashem treats you
there's so many principles principles of
ethical living that I really related to
and it's ironic I went to Wharton you
know undergrad business school
University of Pennsylvania I had no
ethical maybe one ethical class the
things I learned about Jud in through
Torah Judaism were so much how you think
society should be how how people are
like the best I find the best people are
very much in line with Jewish values
>> wow wow wow so that actually you
answered my next question my next
question was going to And maybe you
could elaborate a little more on that is
my next question was like how do you
feel that Judaism or Torah learning
actually helped you in business? So
maybe now we could just direct on that
point. Meaning I definitely heard you
speak about this like definitely to my
boys and I know on Torah Tech that's
definitely a big topic that you like to
give over like wait one second besides
for changing your life this is going to
help you so much in the business world.
Just maybe elaborate on that point a
drop more.
>> Sure. Yeah. I'll I'll describe that by
saying there's some conventional wisdom
which I think is just so wrong when they
say nice guys finish last. Completely
wrong. Opportunity only knocks once.
Completely wrong. When you have the
perspective as a Torah Jew, I'm going to
do my best. I'm going to support people.
I'm not going to lose Shinhara. I never
need to break shabas. You could just you
have to set up your boundaries with your
work environment. But it just you could
go through work and knowing that like
I'm going to try really hard, but the
outcome is up to Hashem. It takes off a
layer of pressure and you could be a
mench in the workplace and um know
you're doing the right thing and I have
been very fortunate that that many of
the deals have have been worked out and
I do have some god-given talents that
I'm good in some areas of business but I
know there's something bigger than me
that makes it work out and it's it's
very humbling at the same time very
gratifying. I love when I get to work
with a good person. I've got some I'm
speaking mostly of Jews but non-Jews as
well that like get to work with someone
and you're striving for a goal together.
Uh it's fantastic. I feel that uh the
person I am through bringing my Torah
values makes me much better at work,
much more accepting of the challenges.
Um much more accepting of the times the
deals don't work out. Uh you know,
really realizing there's a lot of good
that everyone adds and I add my good,
but I really appreciate everyone else.
just it just um I think anything
someone's doing if they have the Jewish
background, the Torah values, and the
striving to understand that I've got to
do my job as best I can, but I know
Hashem's making things happen at the
same time. It helps in any situation.
>> What would you say if you want to give
young listeners over here and
everybody's trying to make a buck today
and everybody's trying to figure out the
right wheel and where to go and which
startup to to hit and now with AI
everybody's getting nervous all the
business are going to fly away, right?
What business advice would you give to
the younger generation that's going out
there and trying to trying to make some
cash?
>> Yeah, I'm glad you asked me that. I I
feel strongly about this that you have
got to be
not afraid to work really hard and know
who the boss is in your job and what the
goal that they want you to do and be
honest and and not backstab and support
other people. You could really be a
mench at work and succeed. And that if
you want to have it all quote quote
unquote, if you take on levels that
you're comfortable with of the Torah and
mitzvah and learning like that, you'll
have a broader life. You could get what
you're trying for in business. But if
all you are in business, it's too much
and too tense. If you
set time aside for who you are as a Jew,
you're going to be happier, uh, a more
fulfilled person, and it's going to be
better in business. I really feel the
way to have it all. And I mean the money
you want, the job you want, the wife you
want, the friends you want is to become
at your own level. I'm not telling
someone to jump, you know, crazy from
nothing, but find out the next step in
your growth. Find out how to celebrate
Shabas. Find out some learning. There's
so much learning that's possible. For
guys in particular, if you can get a
spot in your life to take off a year or
two to learn Gamarra, life changer.
There's nothing as sim as as one big
thing that I've done in my life. I
didn't really mention that, but I was
able to take a sbatical um in my mid30s
in a big like downturn in one company I
was at and it was just a life-cher that
you just view everything different. The
appreciation you could have for being a
Jew and many of us do. We love our
Jewish identity. But when you see what
that really means, when you know what it
means to really open a Gamarra and learn
that, the level of appreciation you have
for who we are and what is we have been
given from Hashem and history, it's
unparalleled. So, I hope everyone could
really take the time and grow that way.
What separates the winners to the not
such winners?
>> Work really hard.
>> Okay,
>> to a degree, but like if you promise I'm
going to get something done by Thursday
morning, you get it done by Thursday
morning. If you had to stay up all night
Wednesday, so you promise the wrong
time, but you do it. You really try to
think gamova. Some people are really
smart and work hard, but they don't make
it. What can you do? That's, you know,
Hashem's plan for them. There are
broader things besides making money.
Like I know some guys who are wealthy
but have a problem with their wife. You
know, you got to get the whole four or
five things you really need. But as far
as work, try really hard. If something
doesn't work, get back up, do it again.
Always be thinking of opportunity,
thinking how to help the other guy. Help
yourself. And just know things take
time. It takes time. You don't get
wealthy overnight. You don't get You
might have to have four deals that go
sour, but you learn so much through each
of those deals. I was fired from one job
and I was told that I did not bring
thought leadership. That propelled me to
always try to bring thought leadership
that helped me get on the boards of num
several companies. And what I did at
that job that I was fired for was
exactly what was needed at the next job
that was the one that was sold for over
a billion dollars. So just take it step
at a time. You can learn from
everything. Failures are very helpful.
Yeah. One failure, but you can learn a
ton from them. Don't be afraid. just get
up and do it again and uh
>> it's gonna work.
>> So, my issue with what you're saying is
I definitely tasted the fire part, but I
just didn't get the billion dollars
afterwards. You know what I mean? But
okay, it sounds like really the takeaway
is over here, meaning business advice
from Jonathan Rand is number one, work
hard. Yeah. If you're going to be
sitting there watching movies and frying
the brain, it ain't going to do it
right. No, I'm saying when you were
grinding in the early days, you weren't
you were you were putting in the What
does work hard mean? Just
>> you want to deliver
people that are around you and your
bosses think this guy's good. I can rely
on him. He does a good job. He's a
mench. You do that every job. Sometimes
I get calls six years, eight years later
from people I work with to bring me back
in because of those things. I got the
job done. I I delivered what I was
supposed to do good way. Thank God. I
was a mench. I was never back, you know,
stabbing people. I was helping people.
So when you get a shame to a good name
and you have a reputation for providing
a good deliverable for whatever that is,
it's going to work out. Really the four
takeaways are work hard, recognize the
gamulattova, which means don't get all
down because something didn't work out.
See variables, meaning realize how to
look at different options. And fourth,
number four was time. Sometimes your
biggest failure will be your success.
And I actually just heard that I have a
friend that owns a company called Triple
Whale, which is killing it today up in
Columbus.
>> And he told me, he said he had to learn.
They actually just launched an
entrepreneurship program for for for
young students. And he made out the
point. He's like, "It cost me a half a
million dollars of investors money to
figure out how to build triple whale."
>> So, it's really it's like let the time
and the experience become part of you
and move forward. if you chose to listen
to this program that you really have
something amazing that you just have to
cultivate it. that we are blessed to be
Jews and Jews who don't know what that
really means and don't go deeper into
this unbelievable rich heritage we have
that again it's not going to change you
and make you all weird it's going to
evolve you into a better more happy
person who could deal with life's
challenges and have deeper relationships
more simka there's just I I just hope
that you can feel from my heart because
my words probably aren't as good as they
should be but being born Jewish is such
a gift but you have to grow it so please
take those steps, go to the class, meet
the rabbi, do a shabas, whatever it is,
just grow. Find some parts of Judaism
you can love already and just let it
grow. You will become just a richer,
deeper, more happy person. And uh I I I
wish you a lot of success in that
journey.
>> Wow. Thank you so much, Jonathan, for
sharing your time and your experiences
here. And that's why this podcast is
starting off as wealth over riches as
we're going to hear from people that
maybe made riches but value the wealth
the beauty in their life so much more.
Thank you Hijab Brute listeners for
listening and thank you for to Brute for
a beautiful platform.