He Was a Christian Missionary. Today He’s an Orthodox Jew - Living Inspired

[music] That dog don't hunt. You can't be from a cursed bloodline. Be m Michelle. >> Welcome back to the podcast. My name is Aaron and you're watching Parsha Inspired. My guest today is Gabriel Glenny. Gabrielle, welcome to the podcast. >> Thank you. It's an honor to be here. >> Gabrielle, you read Isaiah 53 and converted to Judaism. So, what did you see in [music] the prophets that others aren't seeing? How did you get to this point? Well, actually, uh, since I was a little kid, uh, my parents were in the church. They were pastors. Uh, my parents went to college. My mother's got a a master's degree and my father's got a a bachelor's degree, I believe, in theology. And, uh, I remember from being just a little kid that when they went to college, they would go to college at night because they would work during the day. And I remember being there, you know, laying underneath the table, bored out of my mind, you know, cuz you're a, you know, you're a kid, you're coloring or something like that or, you know, just uh but these are some of the memories that I have as a child. And uh so yeah, I grew up in a very strict Christian home. I uh went to church every time the doors were open, every Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday, and and anytime the you know during the week that the churches were open, we had ministers come in, you know, evangel evangelists and such. Um but yeah, and I was a evangelical uh Christian uh the ones that support are highly supportive of Israel. Um but also they're highly supportive of trying to convert us to Judaism also or from uh from Judaism to Christianity. Sorry. Uh so yeah, I I had learned uh and you know like when I was a teenager I was naive and young and and kind of stupid. [laughter] You know, when you when you're a 17-year-old, you think you know everything and and your parents don't know anything. Uh but you know, I started seeing a lot of hypocrisy in the church. uh and it made me like really disconnected with the with the church as a whole and uh so and then I also joined the US military. I joined the US army about that time and uh you know it's uh there's a saying in in uh the army at least uh where there's no atheists in foxholes. you believe in a god, but you don't uh necessarily proclaim to be the greatest Christian or whatever because a lot of the commandments take quite a beating when you're in the army. Uh but you know, when I I got out, I did three years uh in the army. And uh when I got out, I I got married and uh you know, I met a woman and got married. We had a son and when he was 2 years old, he uh passed away and uh blood from his heart leaked into his lungs and he pretty much drowned to death. And uh that sort of thing kind of shakes you to your core. And I had studied a lot of different religions besides Christianity. I had studied Islam when I was in the army. I studied Buddhism in the army. Uh because I did a lot of martial arts when I was in the army. And uh yeah, I always make a joke about Buddha. Uh you know, how can a 500 pound man tell me anything about self-discipline? Uh but that would get me kicked out of, you know, my mar uh you know, like my sensei would kick me out of the dojo. [laughter] I guess he didn't have much of a sense of humor. Uh but uh so yeah, and so I was just like trying to find truth. I didn't care. And I remember from a young age, my parents brought me up in Christianity, but they always told me, "No matter where you find the truth, go with the truth and stick with it, no matter where it's found." So, I was like, uh, I was searching for truth and and I knew that in my opinion, Islam wasn't it, uh, and Buddhism wasn't it. And I was like, you know, I had seen Jews, uh, you know, living in Miami. I'd seen Jews, plenty of them. Uh, and I was like, "Yeah, I don't think I could fit in. I I really just I don't know why." So, I was like, "You know what? This time, I'm going to go to back to Christianity, and I'm just going to make it stick this time. I'm going to be serious about it. I'm not going to give up." And uh, in Christianity, that's where I got my love for the uh, days of the coming of Messiah. And well, in Christianity, it's called esquetology, study of last things. Uh, and you know, that's where I got my love for it. And the love has not gone away uh since I became Jewish, which is kind of funny because when I became Jewish, and I'll finish telling my story, but when I became Jewish, I wanted to be the best Jew I could. And I'm like, I guess they don't talk about uh you know, the last days, the coming of Messiah too much. You know, you hear it when somebody's given a shar or something like that. They'll end it with may Messiah come speedily in our days. Amen. and all that, but nobody really talks about it. Nobody writes books about it, or so I thought. I was I was really searching and I I found a series in in Christianity that's very popular. I read every book there was that I could get my hands on about the days of the coming Messiah. But I also started learning. I started going to college to become, you know, I didn't think just being a pastor was it. I wanted to get the knowledge, the background knowledge, everything. I wanted to know everything about Christianity that I could. Uh I went on missionary trips to Honduras and stuff like that, which missionary just means you're basically proitizing uh telling people your story and whatever and trying to convert them to Christianity. And uh I did that as a teen. I did a lot of that as a teenager. Uh but also came here as a Christian. I came to Israel. Uh, and you know, I I really hope I didn't sit here and get any Jewish people because that that always scares me. Uh, you know, now as a Jew, uh, and converting, I really am I'm scared, you know, for a lack of better way of saying it, scared to death that I might have gotten a Jewish person to con convert to Christianity and go into Bodhazara. Uh, that kind of scares me. Uh, I hope I didn't. I did it with the intentions of bringing the truth. I guess that's all I can say. I'm not proud of it, but it is what it is. I that's the way I who I was at the time. And um so yeah, I I wanted to get as much knowledge and and basically the same the same way I was as a Christian is the same way I am as a as a Jewish person. I want to know I I know a car works. You get in the car, you put the key in in the ignition, turn it on, put it in gear, it works. Great. I don't I don't want to trust that it works. I want to know how it works. How does a internal combustion engine work? How does the carburetor work? I want to know the intricacies of what I believe and what what I could classify as a religion uh you know that I believe in and I'm putting my entire life into. So, and that's what I started to do in Christianity. And the more questions I had, the more answers that I wasn't getting. I was being told, you know, you don't you you you lack faith. And I'm like, yeah, but these are questions of faith. How can I lack something that I'm questioning and I just want to know the answers to, you know, uh like like in the in the Torah, you know, I was reading the Tanakh and then reading the non-estament. That's what I call the New Testament, but I call it the non-estament. But I was reading both of them and they're completely opposite. Hashem said that he's he's not a man. He's that means that God's not going to take on flesh. And you know, you see that throughout the entire Tanakh, a man dies for his own sins. So that means that a man cannot die for my sin. So how is it that in Christianity you had this demigod sitting here dying for your sins? And you're supposed to accept this. And you know every every reli monotheistic religion or supposed monotheistic because I don't consider Christianity as monotheistic but they call it claim to be. You can't believe in a trinity trinity and then say you're monotheistic at least not in my book in my opinion. Uh but you know they say you know we get our foundation from the Tanakh. That's what Christians will say. Our foundation is Tanakh because guess what? The idea of a Messiah in the first place is a completely Jewish idea. It's found in our prophets. It's found in the Naven, all of them. Isaiah, Yeshu, Yeryahu, it's found all throughout, including in the Torah because I'm I'm reading a book that talks about the smok. He said that the idea of Messiah is found in the Torah in the first commandment. In the first commandment given to the Jewish people at Hari, it says that I am God and I brought you out of the land of Egypt. And the smok says that if he brought us out of the land of Mitzim, so too at the days of the coming of Messiah, he'll bring us out of that mitz and the final redemption will be mirror the very first. And you know, all these different things. And that's what the smock says. And I'm sitting here like reading this and I'm like, see, but but if God doesn't change, he's the same. How is it that 2,000 years after the giving of the Torah, is he going to sit here and say, "Oh, now I'm changing my mind. The holidays are not forever." Even though in Vikra 23, it says the holidays are forever. You know, Pesak, uh, sukus, all these holidays in the text say that they are leolam forever. And it's not that hard to figure out what leolan means even as a Christian at that time. You can look up these things in concordances and find out what these words mean. So if they're forever, then why is it as a Christian I'm not doing Pesak sukus or any of this other stuff? So it's like and why is it that I'm violating the very crucial laws that Hashem put in place? You know, why is it that, oh, I'm eating shrimp and I'm eating pork and but the Torah completely forbids that? And it even brings up in Isaiah, I think it's I believe it's Isaiah 66 about them, you know, these people eating detestable things, the mice and this and that and the bat. I think it brings it up. Uh, you know, if these things are detestable then, then they should still be detestable to me today. living, you know, if if I'm a Christian and I believe that the Tanakh is the foundation of Christianity, how how how does this stuff match? I mean, how do you how do you bring the two together? You know, that's that's where I was at, you know, and I'm like I I the more studying I did, I'm like, the non-testament doesn't it isn't a completion of the Torah or a continuation of it. It's a complete lie o of the Torah. It's saying that, you know, things that God doesn't do. He doesn't take on flesh. He won't come upon I mean, when you think about the virgin birth in Christianity, and I know I'm getting a lot into Christianity, so if you want me to stop, I have no problem. >> No, this is actually great. I I actually started the conversation asking like you we before our before the show, you would we had got on the phone and and you actually started the conversation with me. This is Aron. I've looked into Tanakh. I've studied Tanakh. And because I studied Tanakh, well, I've come to the realization of the truth of Judaism. You mentioned two examples. You mentioned the Alma, one where is Hina Al-M, the word Alma is one of there's another word Kari that that is translated as pierced when it means lion. And there's another word, you know, the concept of the suffering servant. Those are three big things. I mean, I think Isaiah 53 tops them all. A lot of our listeners, we have a lot of people asking about Isaiah 53, about asking these questions. And every video people are commenting and asking questions about this. And if you could address those three those three um chapters, that would be great. >> Yeah. Yeah. The the Alma, that's Isaiah 7. It it comes across uh you know, the Septuagent. I'm gonna have to give you a little history lesson that most Jews don't know because you know the Septuagent isn't a big thing to you but it is to Christians because the Gomorrah says that when the Septuagent was written it was a dark day because they the original Septuagent was only the five books of Moses and that was done by Poleam under the Seucid dynasty in that area. Poleami was in Egypt and that's where the Septuagent was made. Alexandria Egypt and it's the Greek translation of the Torah. Now when I say Septuagent, I refer to only the five books of Moses. Christians when they say the Septuagent, they also mean the Naven and Ketuven, which is the rest of the Tanakh. Now nobody knows for sure who wrote the Naven and the Ketuine in the Septuagent of the Christian Septuagent. We know that the rabbis did do the Torah. But what's but Christians try to add on and most people uh I think Rabbi Singer without trying to put any words in his mouth but I believe that he he believes the Septuagen of the Naven was actually done by Christians to back up and bolster the non-testament text that totally corrupts the Hebrew text of the Tanakh like in >> so when you hear somebody using the word septujen what they're trying to do is they're trying to say hey this is your translation when in They added on their own translation and pretended that it was done by us. That that's Rab's argument. >> Okay. >> Right. And I and I have no problems with that argument. I actually agree with it. Uh but like I said, I usually don't like putting words into other other people's mouths, especially somebody as great as Rabbi Singer. In Isaiah 7, it says the Alma will conceive and give birth. and and the Greek of the septuagen is parthonos and parthonos can mean a young woman. It can mean a virgin. So that's where Christianity gets this idea of a virgin will conceive. Even though when you read the context of Isaiah 7, it's not a prophetic thing of in the prophetic as in 200 300 years from now a virgin will conceive. He's saying that this young woman is pregnant and Isaiah is referring in my opinion and reading the text and uh I'm I'm a firm believer in pashad uh because that's how I got to Judaism. I know that there's other forms, you know, Remes, Dash, and sod, but I'm a really strict guy of pashad because that's how I got to Judaism is through pashhat. And when you read the pashad of Isaiah 7 and the chapters before it because you can't just pick and choose saying Isaiah 7 that's talking about this virgin and all this and and that's how Christians do it. I don't do it that way. I sit here and read everything about what Isaiah is saying before Isaiah 7 and after. And that's also what people do with Isaiah 53 which we'll also discuss um because you asked me to. But before we get to can I just ask can I ask can I just ask you a question like why would that help the argument against that we throw out the whole Torah with a new Torah when it says clearly this is a Torah the Torah will never change these are my people they'll never change these are the laws they'll never change how would a a miracle and specifically Deuteronomy tells us if somebody comes and shows you a miracle and something happens don't follow them because they're lying you know because my law will never change so like where how is how was like this even an issue once we ready I'm just asking may maybe I'm completely off I I don't and I don't know >> I I I think you're on top of it right from the beginning I mean that was what Rubenu said I believe it's in this last week's para where you know that this false prophet and I'm going to have a prophet like me but it doesn't you know there's no prophet like Mosher Rabenu first off but he's referring to the the prophetic gift that he was given by Hashem and that there will be prophets that continue to guide the people. In my eyes, when I look at what Mosher Bainer was saying, he he was comforting his people, saying, "Yes, I'm going to die soon, you know, and then you're going to be like a, you know, she sheep without a shepherd." But he's like, "No, Hashem is not going to let that happen. He's going to give you Naveim after me, and they're going to sit here and guide you on the way you should go and guide you towards the Torah." Because to me, a prophet guides you in righteous living or living like a sad. That's the point of a prophet. Yes, they speak things that are going to happen. You know, the Naven speak about the days of the coming of Messiah, but their main job is to get the pe Jewish people back to living the according to the Torah. I mean, Yermyahu, that's what he was doing. He's saying, "Yes, the temple's going to be destroyed, but if you change your ways, if you sit here and start obeying the Torah, guess what? The the temple doesn't have to be destroyed. If you change your ways, if you follow the Torah and put Hashem first, you know, love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, if you do all of that, guess what? You don't have to be punished. You won't have to be put into the diaspora or the gullus. You won't have to go into exile, but you have to change your ways. But the you know, you know, we have all we including me, we we have hard head. You know, sometimes I don't see the forest for the trees or sometimes I do and I just pick the wrong choice and hashem has to guide me back. And to me, that's what the Naven, the main job of a Nav'vi is, is to get the people back to following Torah, to get to the people back to having this great relationship with with Hashem. And to me, that's the most important thing that the Nvi is supposed to do. But yes, the Nvi does go into detail about something that's going to happen in the near future, but also in future as in Messiah. What was the moment when you said when you saw that, hey, this isn't what it says in the text? This isn't what the Torah promised us or or was this an evolvement? >> Well, it definitely evolved. It definitely evolved to, you know, where I finally did leave Christianity and I was done with it. But it was uh gradual. I mean, it's like Messiah, coming of Messiah. We talked about it before the show, but we also talked about we believe that it's completely gradual. It works its way up. It has steps into it. And you can see the Naveim are exactly like that. It doesn't just sit here and just boom happen. But it can, but it just it doesn't the day, you know, everything's a progression. And my life is exactly like that. It was a progression. I mean, Isaiah 7 in itself sits here and Christians fall over themselves because they don't think about what the text is saying. Like, and I'll I'll say what I I'll try to make this as less controversial as possible, but it's a controversial subject. We're talking about a virgin birth and the idea of a virgin birth, which is completely Greco Roman. Uh, but um let's take it one step further. They say that Isaiah 7 talks about a virgin birth. Now you go to the non-testament and the non-estament says that Mary was betrothed to Joseph. Now looking in that time period of Judaism betrod there marriage was broken up into two different statuses. One you're betrothed and then you go under the hoopa and you become married. then you can be with your wife in that way. Now in Christianity in the non testament actually says Mary was betrothed to Joseph when she became pregnant. So now let's follow this logic through. If she was betrothed that means that he would have to give her a get a bill of divorcement to separate from her. Now think about it from this standpoint. You're talking about God coming on a a engaged woman, a married woman. According to betroal is means married. Uh you're you're having our God coming onto a married woman making her pregnant. That would that would inde Oh, she committed adultery. Even if it is God that did it, she's still a married woman. And that's why I say that Christians and Jews, we do not worship the same God because our God will not violate his Torah and to commit adultery would be a violation of Torah. >> Well, the pattern is the pattern is like you said, it's belittling God and creating that God in a certain sense um is unrelatable. And that's the exact opposite of Judaism. It says God's like, I am I'm close to you. call out to me like King David said even after he sinned the biggest sin he said and then from Batva became Schlommo who builds builds the base of Mikdash so you know sin isn't the problem it's repentance which is the problem you know people yeah so we don't we don't Jews don't believe in like that we're we're unfixable and I think that's kind of something else that maybe we'll touch on if we have a minute after we get back from Isaiah 53 we still have to visit Isaiah 53 and there's the AI one Kyrie. >> Yeah. Yeah. And also I wanted to bring up >> something else that uh actually made me think at the time in in the non-testament there's two places where you find the genealogies of the you know Jesus. Uh it's in Matthew and Luke. When you look at these if if Jesus was born born of a virgin and according to Numbers >> Numbers one >> Yeah. Numbers one says that the genealogy goes according to the father. Then guess what? If he's virgin born, that means he has no earthly father, which means he has no tribe. So he cannot possibly be from Yehuda or of the tribe of David. Now, so what do people say when you tell them that? Like if you if you tell a a missionary who comes to you and says, "Hey, have you did you did you you want to learn some Torah?" And then he starts talking, you know, the shiel and he and he calls you in and you say, "But listen, you know, this is impossible because he's he can't be Mashiach because his father is God and God is not from the house of David." So, well, they they like to say adoption works. And I'm like, but adoption doesn't work. The Torah is abundantly clear. Just because you're adopted by somebody doesn't mean you take on their tribe, you know. Uh, also >> I would argue there is a is a verse like that in the end of Isaiah. Isaiah not Isaiah Ezekiel 48 does say that the G >> when he comes to Erit you saw at the end of times whatever shva he lives in that's where he is that he's ka that place but it doesn't say that the children who's adopted become like that but but it does say that the yeah >> right yeah I what's funny is I I've read that too so I get a piece of this land bar hashem uh I love this land I moved here I [clears throat] didn't even know the language yeah Okay. Uh tried to cut you off. Yeah. >> Oh, no. No problem at all. And uh then I mean there's so many problems with the genealogy of their demigod. I mean besides the fact that a virgin born means he has no tribe. He comes from a cursed bloodline. And in in the non-testament it says that his bloodline comes from Yakonia. Yakonia was cursed by Jeremiah in in chapter 22. Jeremiah 22. So, you're telling me the Messiah comes from a cursed bloodline? You know that that uh we have a saying in the south that dog don't hunt. You can't be from a cursed bloodline and be Messiah. Matter of fact, in Jeremiah 22, it says no king will come from your lineage. Now, I understand that they uh Christians now use the tomood to get out of their uh to get out of this dilemma because guess what? It says that God did forgive his bloodline. But on the other hand, you're going to use the tallood to defend and to counteract what I just brought up about a cursed bloodline. But yet, you're going to say that the tallmood are just the opinions and thoughts of men. So, you can't have it both ways. you can't have it. Use the tomood when it is convenient and fits your narrative, but then sit here and say, "But but you know, those are just rabbis opinions and throw it away." You know, but that's what Christianity does. They'll they'll use the words like Isaiah 53. There are some uh you know of the rishonim to say Isaiah 53 is talking about Messiah. Uh but so you'll say you'll agree with the rabbis when it's convenient but when it's not about you know when they say that but you know he's not the Messiah and all this you won't listen to them then it's kind of like it's when it's convenient you'll use the rabbis and the Talmud but when it's not you'll say that they're just the words of men. can't you can't do both of them you know you can't do it both ways and you know not only that one of the I think it's um uh Luke the gospel of Luke says that uh the you know Jesus's bloodline comes through Nathan but Nathan wasn't the king it was David Schlommoik Nathan you know Davidik's son Nathan there was no kingship so how is that rightfully giving you kingship So even the genealogies in the non-testament fall over themselves when you actually use logic and wisdom and just studying what the Tanakh actually says it even steps over itself and destroys itself because I mean the bloodlines alone say that he can't be Msiah at all. Um if you if you read the Tanakh now what you were bringing up uh I think it's Psalm 2 or Psalm 22 about Kari like a lion uh Christians have mistransated it and they sit here and say that oh it means pierced at my hands and my feet but that's not what the text says because when you read the word kari throughout the rest of the Tanakh it's always at a as a lion uh You see this in in uh the King James Bible itself. Uh when it's in Psalms, it's talking about pierced hands and feet. But when it's elsewhere in the Tanakh, the uh King James Bible translates it correctly. But when you look at the Hebrew, they're exactly the same. Kari, you know, and it's like really. So you pick and choose what they pick and choose what the translational say into English by their religion basically that that's what Christians do. I'm not saying that Christian and I want to reiterate I'm not saying that Christians are malicious about it but but they they when they try to witness and you know proilitize Jews they don't want to hear the truth. They want their to give their their arguments and then you listen to their arguments and not have any kind of rebuttal. I mean, I've debated Christians a lot. Uh, you know, but and I'm not saying they're malicious, but if they want the truth, the truth is there. They just have to dig for it. You know, Christians are that way, Jews are that way. If you want the truth of what the Naveim are saying, you have to dig into the Naven. You can't, you know, it this book doesn't just become part of you by osmosis because I'm holding this book, the Tanakh automatic automatically becomes part of me. You have to dig in there. You have to do some work and put some effort into it. And Christians are the same way. They can get that uh the truth like I did and like many people like me. They can get to that truth. They just have to work at it. and and dive in and dig in and just not care about what my parents are going to say or what are my relatives going to say because I just care about the truth and only the truth and that's all that matters to me and that's how I took it. I I learned that lesson as a child and I put it into action now. Now also another thing we say this every day and it's so meaningful for me in the morning doning we go through a bunch of we we call it puka de zimra and there are a bunch of tahill psalms we do one psalms 146 but it's so meaningful to me as as a Jewish man now because it says exactly what I went through. It says, "Do not put your trust in nobles or on a human being, for he holds no salvation." But when you read the in Hebrew, it says, "Benadam." Benadam, a more accurate translation for Benadam isn't human being. It's son of man. And Christians and you know in the nonestament, Jesus always talked about himself being the son of man. So in Tahill and I say it every day and it's so meaningful to me. I say that I don't put no faith and trust in son the son of man because he has no salvation. Only Hashem has the salvation. So to me it's I just wanted to share something that's really invigorating and exciting to me about what we do every day. Now, you wanted to talk about Ezekiel 38 and39 >> and also >> first a little bit this morning when we were talking you were telling me about so many so many books. I think you have the largest collection of Msiah books I've ever heard in English. You have every book ever written and and you you said you've read all of them. So, I I'm I'm confident I'm confident you have a lot to teach me because I am not as well learned on this than you. So, maybe you can teach teach me something and that's not it's not a big challenge. a lot of people I I I learned already a lot of things uh in this conversation. So, let's go. Let's dive in. Okay. Well, I I I like reading commentaries. I love commentaries, but I told you earlier that I'm a a firm believer in pashad. I love pashad. So, a lot of times I just want to go to what Rabbi Tovia Singer says. He calls Rabbi Yazkel or Rabbi Yeshiu or Rabbi Yeryahu. I just to me I I love my books. I do. I love commentaries. I love hearing the villagon say that the battle of Gog and Magog will be 12 minutes because when you read that you're like how is it possible you know that he says that and I guarantee you people in the 1700s when Vil Negon said this were like how is that possible? You could get all the armies in the world at that time together in 12 minutes. But with the advent of nuclear weapons and chemical weapons and thermonuclear weapons, you can get to the point where you understand now what the villain was referring to when he said it can be done in 12 minutes. Now you understand with modern technology. But so I mean I like all these commentaries and I really do. I mean, Rabbi uh off, you had him on on Paria Inspired. I really like him. I read his book, The Future, a couple times. Uh, you know, Rabbi Sternbach. I have a war in redemption by him. I have, you know, I got a whole bunch of books on on days of Messiah, but I still love Rabbi Na'vi, you know, I love reading Rabbi Yazkel, you know, or, you know, however you want to call him. You can call him, Ezekiel, rabbi. He he deserved the title of rabbi, you know, in my opinion. Uh but you know, when you read Ezekiel 38 and 39, these are the times we're living in. You also see this in the um the beginning of it was in 36 and 37. You know, the valley of dry bones. That is the nation of Israel coming together. And I and I've heard Rabbi Singer say this on your on your one of your uh podcasts where the the bringing together of the Jewish people in the land of Israel was basically a refulfillment so to speak of Ezra and Nahhema because the people that came in modern day Israel were also not keeping Torah. They were shabas violators married to go women. kind of interesting that Ezra and Nhema says the same thing that that's what happened when 42,000 of them or something like that came to the land to build the second base of Mikdash. All this stuff, I mean, I used to say as a Christian and I and and I'm going to tell you this because I still firmly believe it. Hashem doesn't work in a straight line. You have history, past, present, future. I believe that Hashem works in a circle. Because if you if you read all the books of the of the Tanakh, you see that the Jewish people had this system where they would sit here and serve God. Then they would sit here and fall into idolatry or mixing a vote with the votara. Then they would go into slavery. Then Hashem they would cry out to Hashem. Then Hashem would send them a deliverer. Then Hashem would deliver them. They'd live according to Torah. And it kept on going in this circle. So to me that tells me by reading Tanakh you learn that Hashem works in in a si a circular time you know circular. He works what is past is going to happen in the future or in the present depending on where you're at in the circle. And I've always I I thought that then and I still even more today as a Torah and Tanakh believing Jew. I believe it even more today than I did then. And that's when I was a and I I came up with this kind of idea and I to me I just I firmly believe it. and the whole process of the Jewish people coming back to the land of Israel today and since 48 and even before that to me that's just another proof that Hashem works in cycles. I look at Ezekiel 38 and 39. I see this the same way as in God sh you know poking all foreign gods in the eye including the ones that us as Jews have made in trying to rely on the nations like the like the uh Tahillim says I think it's where it says that where will my help come I look through the mountains where will my help come my help comes from Hashem not the nations and I think that in my opinion, Ezekiel 38-39 is a final poking in the uh face of all the false gods, including the ones that we create as Jews, and trying to trust America, trying to trust even though America's been good to us. And I'm not saying anything bad because I served in the US military. So, I love America. I love my former country. But us as Jews, we need to only rely on Hashem, not on foreign nations, no matter what nation. And to me, I think that this when you read it in verse 16 of chapter 38, uh verse 23, uh verse 7 of 39 and verse 22. This this is saying that this battle of Gog and Magog and this is why I believe that this war has to happen no matter what. This is a poke in the eye to all the other gods. I am you know this is Hashem saying I'm sanctifying my name and my people in front of my people and in front of every nation that will see this happen. So, in my opinion, and just like I said, we're allowed our opinions. Uh, I think that this is Hashem poking his finger in the face of any other god, saying, "If you can try to stop me from destroying these people that are coming upon the mountains of Israel and attacking the Jewish people to wipe them out." And if you read Zora 14, it says that they take part of the city of Jerusalem even. But to me, I think of this as saying, you think you can stop me from destroying this nation, these nations that are coming upon the lands of Israel to wipe out my people? I don't think so. You you you there there's no God powerful enough to stop me. And that to me, that's how I when I read 38 and 39, that's how I'm reading it. It's Hashem standing up in front of the world's eyes and the world can see him and he's sitting here showing up, you know, kyako because we know God isn't corporal. And he's Zakaria 14 says that Hashem will in that day Hashem will step his foot on the Mount of Olives and split it in two. And then the water from underneath the where the temple mount sits will go to the eastern sea which is the Dead Sea and will heal that and it'll go to the western sea which is the Mediterranean Sea and it'll it'll trees and and fruit will blossom from all the trees that line up along this new river going to both of these and the southern part will be given totally to salt which is also a fulfillment because when you go to the Dead Sea now it has in it's been separated. The s southern part still is salt but the um but the northern part is you know being separate so that this prophecy can be fulfilled. I also think it's interesting that when you look at the dead sea you can take it as a parable in life. It has a feed in from the yardan river but it has no excess. It has no exit excuse me. So how do you take this as a mashall parable? the fact of if you have Torah coming in you, but you're not getting it out to somebody else, not teaching them your experiences, not teaching them what you've learned, you become stagnant like the Dead Sea. But if you, you know, if you have a good flow of Torah coming in and a good flow of Torah going out to teach other people, guess what? You're a living sea like the Caner. But if you don't have any exit, you're gonna be you're gonna end up stagnant like the Dead Sea. I just thought that was an interesting mush all that I could share with you. >> Beautiful. >> And uh to go back to Isaiah 53 just so because you brought it up, those three passages that you wanted me to bring up as you said earlier, uh you can't start 53 without going into 52. And but you can't even do that to, you know, you have to go even much further because every time Isaiah talks about a servant in the book of Isaiah, he always is talking about the Jewish people. You know, my my witnesses, my my people, Israel, Jacob, they're they're the servant of Hashem. Throughout the entire book of Isaiah, it always refers to the Jewish people as the servant. Then Christians come along and say Isaiah 53, which is kind of interesting because nobody in early Christianity ever thought Isaiah 53 was anything but the Jewish people, the Antiene fathers, they never they never used Isaiah 53 as proof text of the their demigod. It was only much later in the Protestant Revolution and Protestant Reformation that that became a thing. So, it's basically 400 years old. It's not even doesn't even go back to the non-testament and the era of the non testament because if Isaiah 53 could be the proof text for Jesus being Messiah, guess what? it would have been mentioned in the non-testament at least once, especially when Paul wrote threequarters of the nonestament. He wrote 22 books. He drew wrote the majority and he doesn't bring up Isaiah 53 at all. But when you go into Isaiah 52, you have to look when you're reading Isaiah, and this is what Christians don't do. They don't separate who's speaking and when. You know, and Rabbi Singer says this, and let's get biblical, he says the same exact thing. You have to know, is this the nation speaking? Is this God speaking? And when does it stop with each one? you know, I mean, especially when you have, you know, we have all strayed like sheep and all that and you know, stuff like that, which really sounds christoologgical as they they always call it. It sure sounds that way, but if you don't know who's speaking, you know, how do you know if who's saying this? Like it also says that this this servant is going to have live a long life and going to have children. Well, guess what? That puts a monkey wrench in Christianity because they say Jesus wasn't married. I mean, how many people would trust a rabbi that's not married? [laughter] But uh but you know it's you know to me it's just uh trying to be funny but but yeah I mean do you sit here and this servant would have children. So is and not only that, you look at Isaiah 53 and you have this idea of can a collective be talked about in the singular, you know, and and what's going on in this whole thing. That's what you you got to kind of understand the feel of one Isaiah, but also you have to get the feel of what's going on, who's speaking like at the beginning verse 13. Uh and this is Hashem speaking. Behold my servant and I'm reading out the art scroll. Uh this is matter of fact this particular art scroll Tanakh. Uh I came with me when I was questioning Christianity and it followed me to now. So I have all the stuff that I've made notes on and things that have always pointed out to me that the Tanakh is correct and Christianity not and I've written in it. Uh you know so this followed me through and I just I love this. It's the art scroll. >> Yeah. Don't be afraid to write in your in your Bibles. Don't be afraid to write. My rabbi told me, he says, "Write as much as you can because then it becomes yours when be careful before you write. Think about it. But when Yeah. So that's great. Thank you." >> Yeah. Yeah. I just And so this is Hashem speaking. He says, "Behold, my servant will succeed. He will be exalted and become high and exceeding lofty." Just as multitudes were astonished over you, saying, "His appearance is too marred to be man's and his visage to be human. So will the many nations exclaim about him. So these are now it switches to what the nations will be saying about this servant. It says the kings will shut their mouths in amazement for they will see that which had ne that which had never been told to them and will perceive things they had never heard. basically for all of Jewish history pretty much other than under King David and Schlommoik and you know some uh uh uh his Kyahu uh these different times for the most part the Jews have been downtrodden we've been murdered we've been you know persecuted you know since time began uh basically the Jewish people and that was one of the things that the rabbis guys asked me when I was in conversion, you know, we're the hate most hated people on earth. Everybody wants to kill us or persecute us and and you want to join. Why? And and this is what I told them. And uh I told them that yeah, that may very well be true. But if I was willing in the cosmic scheme of things, in the whole ways of the universe, if I was so willing to die for something as ignificant as a country, why wouldn't I die for Hashem if he required me to? And they're like, we can't push you away no more. And then I converted shortly thereafter. But it's like that's that was my feelings then. That's my feelings now. If I I serve at Hashem's request, whatever he wants, I'll do, you know, if he if he requires me to die, okay, I'm not afraid of death. I've been close to it, you know, a lot of times, you know, uh I'm not afraid of it. But I'm I'm like, we're supposed to be evid. We're supposed to be servants of Hashem. But does what does that name really mean? If we were in Mitzimera and we were evid uh Mitzim, we were slaves. That means I should be a slave to Hashem. And and that's how I feel about it. Whatever he says goes. If he tells me this is your time, it's my time. I'm I'm completely at peace about it. And you know, and I say that now because I live in a state of, you know, not knowing. I have a I have a health issue that uh you know could kill me, but yet I'm not letting my health problem stop me because I I have too much important things to say. I want to let everybody in the world, you know, every Jew in the world, every non-Jew know my story and where I came from. And you know what? When it's my time, it's my time. But I'm completely okay with that. Uh but you know the the the nations have seen for 2,000 years, especially the Christian nations and the Muslim nations for 2,000 years have seen us being persecuted. So what's this uh the ending of chapter 52 talking about? It's talking about now they see that the Jewish people are lifted up. They they've been brought from the nations and they they are ruling and Messiah is ruling and all that sort of thing and they've been elevated. They were at the lowest low. Now they're at the highest high. And this is what the nations are seeing and they're like, "Wait a minute, that doesn't make sense. Have we had it wrong all along? Has, you know, has the Jewish people died for the sins of the world?" the way that this suffering servant says it says that he has you know have they been suffering because of us because of the gentile nations but in a in a in a different way you know Isaiah also talks about how the nation of Israel is supposed to be a light to the nation and if we're a light to the nation then we would have the respect of the go but if we don't that's when bad things can happen so in in a A lot of ways this is beyond our control and in other ways it is within our bounds of control if we're a light to the nations teaching. I mean where are the seven nohide laws taught in the gamarra but the gamarra is a closed book to most Gentiles they don't understand the gamarra they don't understand the the way it's written and all that sort of thing. So who could be the teacher of the seven no laws? The Jewish people. But if we're not doing our job, and that to me, teaching the Gentiles the seven Noahide laws, in my opinion, is part of being a light to the nations. And I think they go hand in hand. Just my opinion. Uh I'm not a rabbi. I'm just some guy. Uh but from my experience, that's that's part of our job. I mean because the the seven no laws isn't specifically explained all of them in the text of in bracious and parious no Mosha Lman I think he wrote a book and a fabulous book uh called the seven no laws in which he actually enumerates 66 mitzvos which are directly corrected connected to these there's actually a Talmud somewhere that says 30 30 mitzvah of Noah so And when you think about the the actual number of mitzvos that a religious Jew fulfills, it's not that much more. Meaning there are certain things, but the it's the ratio is now 4:1 as opposed to 1 to 10. Meaning like the amount of mitzvah that uh that we can teach the world. And I think that uh this upcoming convention is an opportunity for the world to wake up and realize that uh we're at a point and I had on Dr. Gil White who is a geopolitical analyst and also a professor uh and he said that like and he's living now in Ashkalone and he's in Noahide and he he's like Israel is at a point right now where we actually have the capabilities technology and knowledge of Torah to be able to begin a project of glorifying God's name by teaching uh Noahhide laws meaning it's it's it was never even a possibility in the history of the Jews to ever consider going to their Catholic neighbor and say, "Hey, I want to teach you about God." That was ludicrous. You know, I mean, we were we we're being persecuted. Nobody would ever think of doing that. We wouldn't go to >> kill you back in the day. >> Yeah. They would kill you. So, like today, they're coming to Israel and trying to convert us. That's the and and on top of that, we should actually be more proactive in teaching. And we can't teach what we don't know. So, we need to learn NVI. So, you know, it's not just the half Torah. People used to think I heard Nissan Black said it's the Rabbi Nissan Black, he said he used to think it was called the half Torah or something. It was like half of the Torah, [laughter] >> right? >> Exactly. I I've heard that. But what's also, you know, >> you know, with what you just said about teaching, Rashi says the same thing in uh Shabas 31a when it talks about the yearning for redemption. Rashi actually says, "Did you learn? I mean, were you waiting and yearning for the the uh words of the Naveen to come to fruition?" And I look at that and I'm like, "Whoa, that that just like blew my mind when I read that. I'm like, are we yearning for the words of the Naveim to happen?" To yearn for the words of the Naveim to happen means that you have to know the words of the Naveim. How can you how can we say that I yearn for Messiah every day and I'm including me when I don't study enough of the Naveim about what the Naveim say about the coming of Messiah. You know, I think that that's that's something that needs to be corrected in the yeshiva system or in Judaism. And this is just somebody from the outside coming in. And and you know, I I say this when I speak to people. You know, when you're talking about missionaries and people that proitize, they know the the Tanakh better than 85 to 90% of the Jews. And I find that's very sad. And and maybe I'm wrong, but to me, even to think that a majority of Christians that are evangelical know the Tanakh better than a majority of Jews, that is a one, it's dangerous, and two, that's really a sad uh a sad reminder of what we're lacking. I mean we study Gomorrah like crazy and that's that's well and good but in the gamarra it talks about the you know quotes nave and to me I just think that more people should put more emphasis on the nave you know and the naveim are really God speaking to us I mean there were millions of prophets we only wrote down the prophets and we carry that would be necessary for the generations to know otherwise even the Torah even the written Torah that we have the Five books of Moses were revealed to the world at Si and at that point they wrote the story of Adam and Eve. At that point they wrote the story of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac. Uh Isaac and Jacob and there is a dispute in the Talmud if if the Torah was written what's called migill that means there were scrolls that went through periods or that but everybody agrees. It says in it says in the book of Exodus that Moses sat down and wrote the Torah down obviously up to that point. That means he had definitely written down from Batius until him. The question is if he only wrote from Jacob till him like at what point did how much did he write down? that it was always a revelation of God revealing to us through stories God meaning that hidden in the in the prophecies of end time prophecies in the prophecies of how Messiah comes and how the the Jews go through exodus and the circle of redemption and all the all the concepts hidden all these words is God because God is revealing himself in the and I always kind of feel like you get like the backstory to who God is when you understand other mitzvah as a result. You could understand what schmita is. You could understand with what why we're so careful with this land when you see how valuable God has, how much love God has. Like if you want to know if somebody, you know, who they are, we can't really know God. We can only know God through what he does or what the way he reveals himself. And the way he revealed himself in Tanakh is that I love the Jews and I love this land. And I love all creations. I love all humanity. And I think that I have a plan to redeem humanity by using the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to help bring them to my beloved land. And witness of this will will will ultimately bring redemption. that and that's why I think people shouldn't be so afraid of go because if you are on the right side of history then you are with if you say you know and God doesn't expect everybody to jump up and run to Israel I I don't really believe that that's a practical practical solution I mean we hope that God if if we can't come God will take us to Israel and and he it says that clearly that he won't leave anybody behind it says that in many many prophecies but it it the the end result is that if we want to be on the right team, do we want to be on the team that see the Jewish people as bringing peace to the world and not converting the world, not forcing Christians to become Jews? We just want everybody to recognize one God. And we're not going to force anybody. We believe that through the redemption, the whole world will come to this decision on their own. Unlike other religions which seek out to force everybody into their religion, Judaism says everybody will make the choice on their own, we can educate people. But we are we and that mitzvah has been lost. There was uh people throughout history who have tried to revive it, but it's been it's it was like like I like you said previously, they were trying to kill us. So why would we be teaching them Torah? You know, it it was like absurd to think of that. But today, it's possible. with YouTube. You and I can sit here and if this video does well, a million people could witness and hear um what the way you've just read Isaiah 53. And everybody's asking this question. What is Isaiah 53? I think we're Did we finish Isaiah 53? But that was great. >> No, we didn't finish it. But there's so much to it. I I could go on for >> We got We got to We got up to We got up to 53. Yeah. >> Yeah, we got up to 53. I covered two verses. That's it. >> Three. Yeah. Right. >> But you you know to go with something that you were you were saying I completely agree with you. I think that uh you know even for a lack of better way of saying it politics to not conform and knock in general Naveim and all that can form the way that we do things today even though we can't do exactly everything that David and Melik did because it might not be a we might not be the favorite country in the world but on the other hand we never are anyway but like When uh David Dovamelik was out with his men fighting and stuff like that, Amalik came and took his wife children and all of his men's belongings and wives and children and everything and took them. And what did David do when he got back and he found it? The men were going to mutiny against him because you know it's like these are our wife and kids. And uh what did David do? He didn't ask any questions. He didn't ask any country in the world if it's okay to go and get your people back. He just sat here and took his men and wiped out Amalik and took back the people that Amal took >> and not one of them was injured. Not one of them was injured. >> Yeah. Not one was injured and everything was fine. Now today in modern day we might get castigated by the nations. Well, we do anyway. you know, even if we try to be more humane than our enemies, inevitably we get, you know, you know, talked bad about, oh, we're sitting here doing genocide when there's no more moral army in the world than the Israeli army. And being in the United States Army, I can pretty much agree with that statement that us as the Jewish people were more moral than any army in the world because we are a moral people. But to sit here and say we're doing genocide, you I don't know. I I if we did what David and Melik did, I I would be just as happy. But but I know that our leadership doesn't do the things that Dame Melik did. So I just wanted to add that in because I think that >> many people divide, you know, what the Knock says doesn't really mean that we can, you know, we can form our politics around that. And a lot of people say yes we can. I mean Rabbi Mayor Kahana did, Rabbi Cook, even the uh the Labavature Rebi, he he said sometimes you can't make peace with people that want to kill you. And if you can't, the most moral way to do it is to effectively do the war to get it done with as quick as possible, not to let it go on and on and on because then innocent people do get hurt from both sides. So even the lobbiter Rebby says that you know sometimes the most moral part of war is to end it quickly quickly you know but uh and then the nations are see here and go back to Isaiah 53. It says who would believe what we have heard for whom has the arm of Hashem been revealed. What you know these are the nations speaking about you know this is what we see you know who nobody would believe that a nation that's been downtrodden for thousands of years is now being raised up and is at the pinnacle of mankind and and then it goes into formerly he grew like a sapling like a root from arid ground he had neither form nor grandeur this is talking about the suffering servant but this isn't talking about you know in Christians Jesus. This is talking the nations are saying this about the suffering servant which is the Jewish people because throughout like I said throughout Isaiah the servant has always been the Jewish people. So we saw him but without such vices visage that we could desire him. He was despised and isolated from men. When you're thrown, this is a perfect example. When the Jewish people were thrown in ghettos, they were isolated from the populace, whether it was in Germany before World War II, whether it was in VNA or any of the other countries throughout the long exile that we've been in. We've always been, inevitably, we've been put into ghettos or into sections of town where it's mainly Jews. Why? to separate us from the normal people like as if we're not normal, you know. But you you understand what I'm saying? I'm not trying to be negative against the Jewish people, but this is just the outsiders and the Gentiles viewpoint. You know, if we put isolate them where they're with each other, then we, you know, can keep our people pure like the Aryan race, like Hitler said, may his name be blotted out. Uh he was despised, isolated from men, a man of pains and accustomed to illness. How many pains has the Jewish people gone through? I mean just since the advent of Christianity, let's just go with Christianity because that's my forte. the persecution after the temple was destroyed by the Romans and then the Roman Empire uh became a Christian empire and then you have all the you know forced disputations like the one with the Raban that you know which is kind of interesting that sometimes our greatest enemy is one of our own Pablo Christiani sit here and and made the king of Aragon King James get into a disputation with the Roomba But Pablo Cristiani was a Jewish person who had went to Christianity. >> The good part is Ramban three years later ended up moving to. So there's a good ending to this story. I'm happy. >> Yeah. Yeah. Of course. There's all there there is a good ending for that story. And matter of fact, the Ramban is why I live in in Israel today because says it's a mitzvah to live here in land. >> Right? So because the Ramban said so and Rashi believed that the Vagon believed that and also believed that enough. >> I think it's crazy you should need a mitzvah. I I think it's a gift from God that he made a mitzvah because it it's it's unlogical to me that any person should ever need a mitzvah to live in Israel to want to live here. Meaning it would be God commanding us to live in Israel would be like I command you to live to live close to me. That doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't you want to be close to the source of pleasure who gives you everything and provides for everything? Imagine, you know, and God when he gives us money, health or anything, it costs him nothing. Usually if I give you a million dollars, so I'm out a million dollars. I may be I may have 10 other million dollars, but I'm still miss when God gives us anything. He has he has everything. So he's not li he's not it's not that he doesn't want to give it. He just wants us close. So yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt. No, no, no. I I completely agree with you. I look at the the entire Tanakh and the land of Israel as as Hashem's act of love for us as a people. He gave us this land because he loves us. He loved the forefathers because he says, "I'm taking you when he took us out of Mr. He says, I'm taking you to a land that I promised to your forefathers." And you know when when you read bracious how much he loved Abrainu, how much he loved Yutsakavinu and Yakovinu and all the matriarchs. He loved them more than anything. And my father Arainu, you know, he loved him because he came out and found God, found monotheism on his own. And to me, I think >> it wasn't just that he found that he spread monotheism. God loved the fact that Abraham was spreading it. It wasn't just that he he wasn't the Shame also was before Abraham. Shame had a yeshiva shame and they believed in monotheism but they weren't going around spreading God's name. I think Abraham was the Abrahamic faith would be to spread spread God's I think I think yeah >> yeah I I completely agree uh you know because Raji says that Yakovu learned seven years and the seven years that he learned in the tents of Shem and Eber he wasn't you know judged for that negative time is not honoring his uh mother and father by coming back but the time that he spent in lo uh with load that was charged against him. You should have came back sooner. >> Noah actually learned with with with Abraham. Noah and Abraham over overlapped. They they lived at the same time. They probably learned together Torah >> in a certain sense, you know. >> Yeah, I I completely agree. I've seen I I've seen the timeline and it's astounding how many people were still alive where it was eyewitness accounts to creation itself. It wasn't one of those things where Hashem told Mosher Rabenu, "This is how it happened." There was a long line of people that were still alive all the way down to the patriarchs and matriarchs and you know and so on that go all the way back to creation you know the beginning of you know Adamarishon and Kava and there was you know like Shay you know she was still alive when the patriarchs were you know and it goes verse 533 is telling the Jewish people that you have you you've been sent out into these exiles and you've been you've been >> hated on. And I think um correct me if I'm wrong, what you were saying was that the Jews being hated on is still being hated on because they're the Jews because of the Torah. So in other words, even like I'm supposed to be interviewing a guy this week. His name is Nick Mattel and he became famous recently. He's a podcaster because he had on somebody named Sneo. Now, Sneo has like millions of views and he is a uh he believes that Israel is genocidal and he he's on that wagon and he's debated him and this was became went very viral and what he's seeing is that he and this this uh podcaster Nick Mattow we're going to have him on. He became a Noahide because of his investigation into understanding the hate uh that's on campuses and on the on social media following October 7th. Like when we say that people see our pain, the Jewish people's pain and suffering in the exile by being as if God is hiding his face and that we're uh I don't know, we're disgraced and people don't think highly of us. But even that in itself has a certain a certain uh I guess a certain cons con consolation is that if they're hating us because we're we're the God's chosen people. So that's a good thing because now they're already on the question of did God give the Torah because I don't think anybody would would disagree with the giving of the Torah. I think that the three M I mean I'm sure there are people but I'm saying but the three faiths that we're discussing will all agree to that moment and the only question is is did that change? So >> yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I I completely agree. What's interesting is this next puss but in truth it was our ills that he bore and our pains that he carried but we had regarded him diseased stricken by God and afflicted. That's exactly what Christianity said, especially in the disputation with Ramban and Pablo Christiani that you know because you rejected the Messiah, you know, Christian's Messiah, you've been, you know, basically punished, you're stricken by God, you're you're, you know, you re you know, you you have this wretched existence. That's exactly what Christianity in those days said about the Jewish people. They said exactly what Isaiah is saying in this in 53 that it's because of your your lack of understanding. It's about your stiff neckness. you know that Christian I mean even Christians say that we're you know the to Torah says we're a stiff neck people but when God says it it's not big deal but when a Christian saying it and you know Pablo Christiani and all these other people back in that time were saying it weren't doing it in a positive way because stiff neckedness mean could mean a positive thing from it we we were stiff necked to where we didn't see hearing and go into every avotara that comes down on the pike. We didn't sit here and believe in Islam. We didn't believe in the Christians demigod, you know. That that takes stiff neckness, you know. So, to me, I think that this is it's kind of telling that Christians have regurgitated everything that Isaiah said, but they're trying to say that this is talking about their demigod, which it's not. >> And 53:7 as well. 537 na that you know that we've been led to to being slaughter like we went you know into into the into the Holocaust we we've been as you said that even the Jews you know the Jews were exiled from from almost every country they ever went to we've been exiled from I think the Jews have been cleaned out of most of the Arab countries in the world today we've been uh either they moved to Israel or they're they're you know immigrated around the world but I think most of the world has been cleansed of Jews. There are very few pockets of large pockets of Jews in the world remaining. Most of the Jews have returned. I mean, it's there. You think about North America, you have a pocket of a million on the east coast, but for the rest of the world, it's all really spread out and there's no large uh places where Jews still exist. People don't realize they know how far ahead we are in the exile in the in the return from the >> Yeah. And you know I mean this whole chapter 53 but I think it's also how it ends up is really really quite amazing too that uh said that this suffering servant would pray for the wicked. When did you know when you read the non-testament when did you know the demigod ever pray for the wicked? But yet Jews do. Jews constantly pray for the leadership. You know, I mean, there's there's a a Jewish joke about how uh you know, I pray for the Sar that he'll stay far away from us, but at least you're praying for the Sar. You know, whether you you know, whether you agree with the the nation that you're in, Jews still try to pray for the leadership of their country. So I think the Ramban said to Ramban said to the king, he said, you know, I I I'm more worthy. I'm so happy that I am a disciple in your time because when Messiah comes, then it'll be so much easier for for me to serve God. But now that I'm under your rulership, it's so much more difficult for me and therefore I'll I'm getting more reward. Meaning like once Msiah comes once and it's a process and if it's a process that the redemption that means as things come more clear the divisive divisiveness of the world becomes larger the gap between um I guess uh truth uh truth and falsehood and good and evil begins to divide and um ultimately that that will again this is like go as a as a mindset is the attraction of of the people of the world witnessing the Jews returning. And I think that ever since the Jews started returning in in the 1800s or in the 1700s, slowly returning and and trying to establish at every single point where we made another step forward, more people are being afraid. They're scared of this because and also Jews, not just Gentiles. All people in the world recognize subconsciously deep down, hey, this is biblical. This this everything is biblical. The people, they can't avoid it. You know, there was a guy who went and put the Bible in every single hotel room in the world that you would open the drawer and some guy gave a lot of money. And so, like, everybody knows the Bible. I mean, they have a couple words that that have been switched, but like, you know, you know, this whole thing of whether or not that man is Msiah is really not the whole theological problem. The question really is is are God, the Jewish people, the Jewish people. Does God still love the Jewish people? And do we still follow the Torah and Mitzvos? that that's really the only question whether or not I that that's kind of like a side point because like if we're not then okay but if we are then there's a lot of things that are going on which which could not be explained um period there was just like the we're giving the Torah can't be explained this also can't be explained and that really is what starts go mo that's at least the way I I understand it so >> yeah I completely agree with you I I think that uh there's so much more differences that we we have with uh with Christians than just who Messiah is. I completely agree. There's so much different so many differences that Yeah. And I just saw those differences when I was, you know, coming out of Christianity and and I just was I think that Hashem was really uh guiding me, you know. I saw those differences. I'm like, I want to serve the true God, you know. So beautiful. You know, I got I got the privilege of meeting you last I think was last week. I was going I was in a little little small hospital here in Jesus. I met you in the elevator and I I and we talked and then this morning we had a conversation and we got on this and this has been amazing. I I don't think I've ever done such a long episode, but I am so happy that I did because this is a topic that a lot of people need to hear. And I really hope my blessing is that your words continue to to shine forth. You know, God gave you a gift that you have the gift of of uh choosing uh to be a part of our nation. And the astounding fact is that everybody in the world will recognize what you recognize early. Everybody at a certain point everybody's going to recognize that that this this happens. And the earlier you know get on board then the easier the adjustment is. You're already living in Israel and and it's so beautiful that you're able to to see this and there are so many people living in Apache who I see even my neighbors around me are coming from different parts of the world. We have people from India. We have people from Ethiopia, from Russia, from Ukraine. It is like literally the in gathering of the exiles. Um people from Benasha, people from all different all over the world. There's there's no Judaism is is not per to just Ashkanazm or Sardom. We are all types of people. And the beauty is that anybody could join. So if you write in the comment, but who are the Jews from the tribe of anybody could join, but you don't have to. We we're not looking we're not looking running after, but because we we really want to make sure that people are committed to being Jewish, meaning that we want to be this representative. So maybe you can just talk for a few minutes before we close the conversation just about what it's what your experience was like coming to live in Betar and Ramsh. which are ultra orthodox at least in the areas that do although you guys like them guys because we're chill we're not such about the people who are you always have you always have extremists in anything you do even if you have chess players they have extreme class chess players they throw the pieces at each other they get wild you know but tell us about your your your uh your experience of the contrast of like coming in into like was this like different than you expected >> well I don't think it was very it was different than what I expected I've always been accepted amongst the Jewish people which is fantastic you know when you're in the conversion process you hear stories about oh you know sometimes that certain people don't accept your gay risk that I never ran into that I've always been celebrated by my rabbis like uh you know I have this one rabbi that I uh you know I he's my rabbi and I ask him all my shilas and stuff like that but and he loves me and he loves my parents because my parents also converted. Uh so and they live right down the street from me. Uh so they live here too. Uh they left Christianity and too your dad was a pastor. Is that right? >> Yeah. My dad and mother were both pastors. They worked together in the church and they would uh you know do their ministering like you know basically they gave the varra you know. Well we see as var but they would preach. That's what they called it. And they they would uh that's what they did and I did it too with them in their church. But you know Hashem was really great has been really good to me and my my family and they went through a conversion here in Israel. And and my in-laws live right here by by us too. I married I moved to Israel before my parents. My parents now live in the old city. They moved in 2001 after 911 they were on a plane. My father was on a plane. He turned around came to old city and he rented a place and immediately they moved to Israel. But I feel like moving to Israel for me in a certain sense was my conversion. Not to compare but I think coming from a guly coming god forbid I don't mean to compare but I'm saying but it was for me it was a switch that like you know I could have spent my whole life in America. I could have spent my whole life and just done what everybody else is doing. And something I don't know I'm not crediting myself. God called me. The land called me. Something called me here. My wife called me here. She's really but you know some it just [laughter] God gifted me this opportunity and um I'm so honored to have you on and maybe you could lead us out with a blessing. maybe just give us a blessing uh to the people listening. >> Okay. Um well, my blessing I I I usually don't give blessing. So, it's not like it's one of those things that I'm uh really uh comfortable doing, but here's my blessing that anybody that listens to this entire podcast, I I really hope and pray that you will learn more and learn more Nvi and really get into what I consider the most important book in human history. Uh to me, I think the Knock is is that book and I really pray that everybody takes it and just starts studying Nak and getting into it so that we can bring them to Msiah because to me, I think that it's cause and effect. I believe that the more Knock we learn, the more we expect and year from Msiah and the more that Msiah will come. >> Your name, Dr. Rabbi Mr. Gav Glenny, thank you so much for joining us. I look forward I look forward to seeing you again in the neighborhood and um may God give you the strength and the health to continue uh giving forth your message to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles and to all people who are looking and seeking truth. Um thank you so much. >> Thank you, Rabbi. It was a huge honor to be with you. >> Okay. [music]