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Halachic Aspects of Tu B'Shevat by Rabbi Yitzchak Breitowitz
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okay good morning everyone hope you're
well I apologize for being a little late
today again our the only announcement is
our share as always uh is sponsored for
the entire year by rever F and Sharon
Alman in memory of their parents y sok
and Es BF and their
son rer fo again we're very very
grateful for their uh generous support
may be an evening
for their parents and for their for
their son um we
more put it here I think
okay
better okay so uh we more or less I
think finished uh our subject a very
interesting subject of uh men and women
being Moy each other in kides and
havdalah so uh as I'm contemplating what
our next subject will be so I thought I
would talk a little bit about about Tu
bishvat uh but as I always uh say this
is not an inspirational share those who
seek inspiration shall go elsewhere uh
this is
a so I'm going to talk about uh the
non-romantic aspects of tuat the
Romantic aspect of tuat I'm actually
going to conduct a m a tuat Seder for
Ian Wednesday night uh but you are stuck
with the technical non-romantic aspects
of tub bishvat which are in fact very
very interesting although they're very
intricate at the same time uh the idea
that tuat is
aana for trees is actually mentioned in
the mishna the first mishna in
M uh that talks about four days of the
year are actually called rosanas four
days of the year uh the first is Roes
Nissan is called a rashash I'll talk
about with respect to which purpose
second Roes El is called a Rashana third
roses which we call rashash is called a
rashash and the fourth is actually
a
and b
sayses is a rashishana which of course
makes it consistent with the other three
that are always the first day of the
month B says that the rosashana of
shabat is the 15th of shabat and uh
again that makes it very unusual it is
the only
Ro that's in the middle of the of the
month and as you would expect as is
generally the case when there's a and we
follow the view of and therefore we
treat the 15th of
Asos
now in terms of I'll talk about what
each rash represents just you'll get a
general picture in terms of Hal uh the
only
of other than Trum and M that I'll talk
about is from the gon the gim
mentioned that uh since all the four Ras
are mentioned together so they have a
quazi status of course is of
course and therefore the is you don't
say right so that much we know for sure
that we don't say since this year tat is
Thursday so those who like to avoid
not that we should like to avoid it get
the extra bonus that they get exempt
from the long T of of Thursday okay be
it as it may now what is the
significance of a day being called a
rosashana for
rashan so the mishna gives a different
purpose for each one of the four for Nan
it is called the rosashana for Kings for
monarchies what does that mean that
means a Jewish King even if he became a
king the 29th of
Adar he finishes his year Nissan and
after Nissan he is now year two even
though he's only been King for two days
and from and hence forward every Nissan
we add another year to his malus right
so Kings typically uh were said you're
in your third year your fourth year your
20th year so the the year is not
measured by when you became a king the
year is measured by Nissan so year one
could be very very short year one could
literally be just a
day and here the gamar goes into very
intricate calculations from many PIM in
the book of Ezra regarding when there's
a change of rain and the comes up with a
very interesting uh that in biblical
chronology the years of Jewish Kings
change in Nissan and the years of
non-jewish Kings change in
TI in terms of what ISAT what is ETC
okay that's an interesting point to
discuss but that ises Nissan is R for
Kings
roses is a rash not connected to Chua
and not connected to what we do during
the month of properly so but it is for
Mas be now Mas be tithing of animals is
actually a Mitzvah we do not do today it
only applies when there's a Bika so if
you've never heard of giving Meer on
your animals it's because we taka do not
do it today but in the time of the basa
mikdash uh if you had uh 10 sheep 10
goats uh you would separate one out of
the 10 and you would bring it as a
corbon which you would then eat it was a
type of corbon that you would eat but
you'd have to bring it as a corbon it
has kadosa and this is called M Bea and
the way it worked was uh you have a
Corral and uh the animals pass through
the gate one at a time and you count 1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 nine and then you put a red
stripe on number 10 so that's your
master and then you keep on Counting if
you have 100 every 10th animal becomes
Maser Bea now the rule is the following
though you can only combine animals if
they were born the same year if I have
five animals from Year One and five
animals from another year I don't have a
unit of 10 I'm I'm actually exempt from
Masa I have to have the 10 animals the
same year now strangely enough the
definition of a year for Animals is not
Tish it is rodes which therefore means
five animals born before
rodes and five animals born after roses
are two different years they cannot be
combined now that actually turns out to
be a len
therefore you are exempt from the
Mitzvah of mas now why would L be
relevant why not tiay tishay is the
beginning of the year so basically it's
based on the reproductive cycle that
generally sheep and goats would tend to
reproduce in late uh
summer uh L is around the demarcation
point and therefore that was chosen by
the way I have to share with you didn't
hear you what sheep yeah it's sheep
goats or c cattle uh sheep goats or
cattle so I have to share with you a a
vort that I heard when I was in 9th
grade uh I remember this and I I believe
re RAF sitner I think is still alive and
should be in in good health and um he
said the following board to us we were
like ninth graders at neron Baltimore he
said that this idea of Master B is
actually connected to the Monto because
imagine you're a sheep and the Sheep
sees the guy with the stick that's going
to hit the Sheep
so the first sheep is scared and the
second sheep is a little less scared by
the time you get to the 10th sheep he
has no at all he figures everything's
great that's when the on happened
meaning as long as you're cognizant of a
in the world Hashem will protect you
when you ignore the and you have
no then it's going to hit you right so
number 10 is complacence because number
10 is complacent I heard that ninth
grade many many years ago but it's a
good it was a way of you know getting us
in shape you know and and and and the
like any yeah uh but anyway uh so that's
nowes of course is the r of the creation
of man and that is the creation of uh
judgment and and everything
else uh but then we come
to now let me explain what this is we
know that in ER Israel there are many
matanos there are many things we have to
separate from produce and that applies
even today maybe rically maybe DOA those
are different questions but we have to
separate truma that's given to a Coen we
separate Maser uh which is a 10% given
to a Ley now uh we also separate a
second tithe that in the time of the
temple would be eaten in Yim Mas sheni
we don't eat it today but we still have
to separate it and depending on the year
of the shmita cycle because the
agricultural cycle is six years year 1 2
3 4 5 6 shimita is exempt from truma and
Maser so truma and Maser is 1 to six so
every single year you must separate
truma which can be as little as
2% every single year there is a Maser
Reon that goes to the
Ley but the second 10% depends on the
Year this is a little complicated year 1
2 four and five of the shita cycle you
have the master sheni that would be
brought to and eaten year three and
six the second tithe was given to the
poor and they could eat it wherever they
wanted so four out of the six years is
Maser
sheney and two out of the six years is
Maser Oni okay now obviously therefore
it's very important to know what
year a fruit vegetable or grain belongs
because if it's a year one fruit
vegetable grain you would take off truma
Maser Maser sheni if it's a year two it
would be the same thing but if it's a
year three it would be you know truma
Mason and Mas so you have to know so
obviously you have to always know if
it's a 23 or a 56 you need to know that
because the Meer changes but in reality
even from a 1 to two you have to know
the year something belongs to a farmer
has to keep a record and the reason is
because similar to Myer Bima you cannot
combine produce of different years so
for example let's take truma Ruma will
say is 2% that's given to a cooh now
that means if I have 100 buels I give
two buels to a coing now let's say I
have
50 from one year and 50 from another
year I got to take the 2% off for each
year I can't as it were just mix them up
and then separate the 2% because you
cannot give produce of one year on
produce of another year so as a result
it's very very critical to know what
year a crop belongs to do we do we do
this today okay so we
actually my my sister W Strawberry
Picking and she brought back
strawberries that had to you had to take
off trist M what do you do with those
TR that's correct they're wrapped in
plastic in other in other words we we
basically the way it works today is
maybe I should give a whole sh on this
is that we do separate them we do
separate them but we don't give them and
the reason we don't give them out is
primarily because these things have
Holiness and they cannot be eaten in a
state of Tuma in a state of ritual
impurity and since today we're all T met
because we've been in contact with the
dead and as a result we're not able to
uh we don't have the par aduma the red
heer that would purify us so all of
these matanos have to be separated but
they cannot be given anymore and
consumed because of the laws of Tuma
therefore they're essentially uh wrapped
in plastic and discarded that's exactly
right but the haha the haha the
separation is still done and it must be
done because until your mafr until you
separate until you separate
the tros and the MOs the the produce is
forbidden to be eaten this is called the
word
Teel te any
untied produce fruit vegetable grain a
very Isel only only a very Isel is
called Teel and there's an iser of the
Torah for anybody even a Cohen cannot
eat T it's funny if a Cohen has his own
produce even though after he separates
the truma he can give it to
himself but until he separates the truma
he cannot eat it there's an ISS of TL in
that produce import things to America
yeah so you could just eat whatever you
feel like even if they didn't separate
it well in America I'm I'm I'm sorry to
disabuse you no that that's a very
serious problem so what did what
happened when he got those jaff oranges
which I used to eat and E and
eat well there's y Kipper a lot of yum
kippers have have passed
by you know no this is
a no no no I understand that the thing
the thing about truma and Mos is it
depends on where it grew not where you
eat meaning if I brought apples from
America uh on the trip and I'm meeting
them here I don't I do not have to take
off trus and masas if I took Israeli
produce from here to the to America I do
have to separate Trum and
Mas uh so so
I'm huh I didn't hear producing in
America because they know that people
are going to forget to take true no
that's not true there no
that's oh it's a joke yeah yeah yeah I'm
sorry well okay that's all
right yeah I don't I don't want I don't
want get I mean there's an issue that it
may not apply to to pism may not apply
to a number number of things uh but but
you have to be careful bism if you buy
Israeli produce you need to verify this
and
uh but but as the point is we we have to
be mafish but we don't we don't give it
because of the laws of Tuma yeah better
not to take it out
anyway well there is a there is actually
a rule about shmita produce that shita
produce should not be taken outside of
Israel that's true but if it's uh
regular produce during the other six
years it's it's much it's m take it out
yeah yeah yeah so I mean listen most of
us most of us although it's not bad to
know how to do it but most of us
generally do not have to separate
anything because uh you buy in stores
that have some type of hashas right
right whether it's whatever your hash is
I'm not going to get into that but
whether it's or whether
it's
andet I'm I'm going to plead the fifth I
I I I believe the I believe the raban N
is good for fruits and vegetables but
but but people some people will argue
with that but I I I do believe it's okay
um but again I'm not here to tell you
about hashas but basically the one thing
I will tell you is that in Isel you must
buy unless you you want to take off
truma and masus which you know you can
do it but if you don't know how to do it
it's very important that your fruits and
vegetables be purchased and your grain
products be purchased purchased with
hash again whatever hash is I'm not here
to tell you one way or the other because
the hashak does assure that the tros and
the MOs were taken off and therefore Ora
as well I'll get to and therefore you
don't have a problem fine F this is my
this is my this is my opinion again
again in the ISA World sometimes there
are different views on it but I believe
the rantis is fine for fruits and
vegetables and you have an orange tree
growing in your oh so you got you have a
problem you have to know you have to
know this if you're a home if you're a
home Gardener you must know how to take
off or get somebody to do it for you you
must know how to take off the truma and
the masas on eache so you don't have to
do you can do it you can do it on each
orange if you want a little bit or you
can take all your oranges and uh you
know all grow at the same time what do I
have well okay okay I I I can't I can't
I can't describe this in five minutes um
uh although
uh okay maybe I'll maybe I'll try to
I'll try to do something in writing uh
for you uh but you absolutely you
absolutely need to know this uh that's
why Kus in Israel is harder
thanet I could buy at least fruits and
vegetables generally speaking although
they sometimes have waxes that have
problem but putting aside the waxes uh I
can buy an Apple in any grocery store
and there's no problem in ER Isel you
already have to be conscious
of truma and masus yeah yeah I'm
sorry well the truth is I I do want to
say I I should have qualified this um
when the farmers separate the truma and
the masas although they throw away the
the the truma parts the masi if it's
year three and six the masani is in fact
given to the poor uh because the masani
is not subject to the laws of Purity
therefore even if you're T right so that
is given uh the reason why typic so so
actually if you're a home Gardener you
need to be cognizant of that but for
most of us even when we separate Trum
and Mas at home we don't do so because
it's definitively t we do so because
maybe we don't rely on a so it's a suff
misu you don't have to give it because
that's the general rule in monetary
matters that all doubts you know uh
possession is 9/10 of the law so
generally speaking if if for example
somebody doesn't rely on a certain hash
and therefore separates Trum and masus
again they would not have to give the
Mas to the Oni but if you're growing
your own and you know for sure that it
wasn't given then year three and six you
would so now the point is this therefore
there are two things you need to know
for every fruit I mean I don't mean that
you as a consumer but if you're a farmer
there are two things you need to
identify for every single fruit
vegetable and
grain number one when does the year
start number two what is the event that
must take place
botanically to determine what year it
belongs to now for vegetables again this
is going to be complicated but I I'll
hope hopefully it'll be clear as I go on
for vegetables the operative event is
harvesting that is called
Lita for
grain the operative event is reaching a
third of its full maturity that only an
expert would really
know for
trees it is what is called
Kata now Kata means budding budding so
uh if you're a
horticulturalist you know that most
fruit bearing trees produce
flowers and when the flower drops out
you have a little
bud and the bud is the start of the
fruit that will grow so the budding is
the very beginning of the fruit the very
beginning of the
fruit so that means the
following if a vegetable if a tomato and
it's tomato by tomato if a tomato was
harvested before
Roes it belonged to the old
year if it was harvested after
KES it belongs to the new year so for
vegetables our two points are this the
P that determines its year is
Lita and the definition the date that
determines the year
ises which is
rashash okay so for your rot our two
variables are
Lita and rodes
TI now this actually means that a single
crop that's harvested over a few weeks
may have two different
years for masro because everything the
tomatoes that were harvested before
rosashana are old year Tomatoes
harvested after Rashana our new year
right so for vegetables it's pretty
simple Lita
now for
grain we look
at meaning even if 2third of the growth
and the harvesting was later and once
again Tish is your date Tish is your
date and that is grain that reached a
third of its final maturity a final
total growth before
tishay belongs to the old year if it
reach
after Tish it belongs to the new year
and this is true both in terms of not
being able to aggregate the produce of
different years and in terms of whether
it's a Maser sheni or masoni if you're
going from year two to year
three year two is Master sheni year
three is Master Ani so the part that so
if you're going from year two to year
three if it reached a shish before Tish
it's year two and it would be Mas Shen
if it reached aish after Tish it's year
three and it's Mas so both vegetables
and grain the r for Trum and Mas
is and the only difference between them
is that for grain we look at Le I'm
sorry for for vegetables we look at
leita for grain we look at hav
shalish now let's now go to fruit things
that grow on trees oranges apples pears
peaches uh nuts right almonds lot lot
other than peanuts nuts also grow on
grow on trees so here we look
atata Kata is buing but the relevant
date of the new year is not tire but
it's Tu bish
which
means any tree not trees it's Fruit by
fruit any fruit that
buted before
tubish belongs to the old
year now that would mean the following
this year right this year is T
Shin if a tree or if a fruit but it
today
today it would not be a tough Shin pay
doll fruit it would be a tough Shin pay
gmel
fruit in other words the year of the
Elan does not end on Tish the year of
the Elan
ends which
means after I'm sorry
before even though it's a new
year we'll connect it back to the old
year now that is the significance
of
ASE in terms of establishing what year a
fruit belongs to so the event that has
to take place
is
the uh in which it determines what year
the Kanata belongs to is going to
be according to B it was uh first
now the for for why tuat would be
relevant for trees is because even
though tuat is technically still in the
winter again even in arel we're in the
winter and we might have snow it's even
more
noticeable uh so there's really no fruit
there's no fruits you see at all
nevertheless all of the sap that will
produce the fruit has risen by tubish
vat there a whole muster so tubish
represents the hidden potential of
growth that is not yet
perceptible but that's the true birthday
the birthday of the fruit is not
necessarily where you see the fruit the
birthday of the fruit is when everything
is ready for it to produce and then I
look at when the takes place pre tuat
which is rare actually or post Tu
bishvat and that determines the that
determines the year uh yeah so that
go per fruit it's per fruit it's per
fruit so that actually means that a
farmer who sh mitzvot has to keep a
record you tie a string around every
single thing to determine it's a big
it's a very it's a very big deal
huh uh the word appears in a different
for in different ver in Shir so it it's
described there okay now what throws a
little bit of a wrench into this is
shita because tubish is not relevant for
shita shita goes
fromes to the 29th of and that applies
to fruits grains vegetables Tu bishvat
is not relevant
regarding the laws
of huh not for shita not for shita which
means the following even though normally
the rule is a fruit that budded before
tubish belongs to the old
year but if the year after shita a fruit
budded before tubish it does not belong
to shita it belongs to year
one which actually means for trees year
one is a long year it's an 18month
almost an 18month year because like this
the year one for trees does begin R
because it's after
shita but it'll be
until a year a year later well the well
the reason is because shita and when it
ends shita ends so therefore anything
that buds after shita no longer belongs
to
shita on the other hand this is a tree
so the tree's New Year will not start
until next Tu
Bish which means which means I'm going
to I don't remember what year was shm
but let's make believe which I know it's
not true right let's make believe that
5783 was a shmita year and now it's 5784
I know it's not true it's the year after
schme so here's the
thing uh shita ends with respect to
everything shita ends
legam 29th ofme is over so if a tree
would have budded
today I would not treat it as a shmita
fruit because shmita is over I treat it
as a firste fruit for which I have to
take off truma MOS master mishon and
master
sheny now how long does that year last
that year year one is not going to end
it's not going to end this Tu
bishvat it's going to end next Tu
bishvat the following which means year
one assuming
T is year one year one will not end for
trees until Bish of T Shin pay
now the opposite phenomenon you're going
to have in year
six because year six the year before
isita for trees does not begin until tub
bishvat of year
six because if it budded before Tu
bishvat it belongs to year
five
so if it's year six and it buted after
Tu bishvat it belongs to the New Year 6
Mas Ani but year six is going to end
Tish because that's when shita begins so
you only have half a year which means to
say year one for trees is 18
months and year six for trees is around
6 months and all the years in the middle
are going to be year to year from TU
bishvat to TU the problem is because
shita wrecks uh the system because since
shita is not affected by Tu bishvat so
you just have this shita thing in the
middle now this is a particular
complication only for trees because of
the intersection of shita and tubish
with respect to vegetables and grain
everything is very very simple the year
begins and ends in a lock step with Tish
and shita is the same
cycle and therefore we just look at
Lita and that's how we determine it
again I I apologize for the for the
complexities um I don't want to
discourage people from being gardeners
or whatever it's
a uh gardening and and producing is part
of yes Isel part of inhabiting er Israel
is not only physically living here
that's of course a Mitzvah the ramban
says that's a Mitzvah but the ramban
also says making the land more
productive making it more habitable
making it more beautiful is in fact part
of the Mitzvah settling arus R so in
fact that's an aspect that even
from if you plant trees or other things
there's a certain aspect of yes is that
you are fulfilling by beautifying by
beautifying the land and making it more
productive um fact the AL used to say
picking up garbage was a fulfillment of
yesel to make it more more beautiful and
the like so I don't want to discourage
uh gardeners uh but there's a lot ofas
you know a person needs to know
uh in ER Isel uh whether it's trees or
whether it's vegetables or if you're
growing most people are growing grain I
assume or growing wheat whatever it
would be there are many many that you
need to know of course is a whole other
par we're not talking about the laws of
shita but besides shita you do have Trum
and Mos uh that are there now I'm going
to mention one other set of Halas that's
tubish is very relevant for and uh that
is the following a Trum and
Mos uh are are obligations both on fruit
vegetables grain right they're not
unique to fruit although fruit has a
unique tar of the 15th of shabat as well
asata as the unique Botanical event but
Trum and masas are the same thing that
you do for everything but there is one
unique that only applies to fruit
bearing trees and that is the law of Ora
the law of Ora uh and the Torah says in
Paras
kosim that when you plant a
tree when you plant a tree for the first
three
years of the tree the fruit is
prohibited to be eaten this is called
Ora in fact according to the kazal the
fruit is supposed to be
burnt Lisa that is not Dominic today or
the fruit is not burnt is just thrown
away and the Aron have a a lot of pill
exactly why is it arog not to burn Ora
since the gamar says specifically oral
is supposed to be burnt but whether you
throw it away or burn it it is
absolutely prohibited to be eaten now I
want to just dispel a misconception some
people have I'm sure that none of you
have this misconception just in
case some people think Ora means I can't
eat the fruit for three years and after
after 3 years I could no the fruit of
the first three years is prohibited
forever it doesn't become permitted
after 3 years and this too depends
on
meaning any fruit that
budded budded within the threee of the
Ora period even if most of its growth
took place after the Ora period that is
Ora forever and ever and cannot be eaten
right any now once again uh if you are a
uh if you have your own trees you have
to be aware of this if you buy fruit
that is under rinic supervision so one
of the things that are supervised by the
raban or any says n right it'll
say again I'm not here to tell you what
hash is to trust or not but but any has
on fruits or vegetables will certify
that it's not Ora because if it's or how
could they sell it to you I mean you're
not allowed you're not allowed to eat it
yeah so this is also from from year to
year oh so now now I want to talk about
this now first of all one issue about
Ora that's extremely important which I'm
not going to fully address is the Ora
clock can often get reset when you
replant so for example you buy a tree
from a
nursery and you plant it on your
ground well even if the
tree you know is already 5 years old or
10 years old by replanting it you start
again and you need three years from the
replanting now this is very complicated
because very often if there's a
significant amount of clumps of dirt
right when you buy a nursery tree
usually there's like a a big ball of
soil that's connected to the roots so
then you're able to tack on the
pre-existing time and if it's already
Beyond o you're okay but if you simply
have it without the dirts then it's
called a new planting and the Ora clock
gets gets reset so any time you are
replanting a tree you need to be sure
that there's enough soil that could
sustain the tree otherwise you'd be
starting the Ora clock over again now 3
years so the Ora period is 3 years what
does that mean is that 3 years from the
planting date no so here too H is very
very complicated the Haka says that uh
the tree gets the benefit of a
year
if uh essentially okay here's kaz's
assumption kaz's normal operating
assumption is that when you
plant either a tree or a seed for that
matter um it takes two weeks until it
gets firmly rooted into the
ground right so clita takes 14 days and
then in order for a year to count for
Ora it has to be planted in the ground
securely for at least 30
days in other words if it was rooted in
the ground for 30
days that counts as year
one therefore therefore
starts no you finished year one well
well start well well in other words like
this this is actually 14 days plus 30
days yes it is it's 40 it's 44 days yeah
it's 14 right for in other words meaning
this is is this is this is actually one
of the importance of the 15th of 15th of
is 44 days before
rash if you plant a
tree or a seed of a tree most people
don't plant seeds of trees it takes
years and years but if you plant a tree
a
sapling 44 days before
Rashana then when rashishana comes you
have finished Year One
not not I'll get to it right when
rosashana comes you finished year one
year two is rashash to
rashash year three is rashash to
rashash but then because now it's a tree
not just a sapling you have to wait till
Tu so again let's take let's take a
concrete example let's
imagine um I planted a
tree the 15th
of let's say later in the summer the
15th of not to 15th
of um
5784 okay 15th of
5784 when rosashana of
5785 comes I have finished year
one when rashishana of
5786 comes
I have finished year
two when rashasana of
5787 comes I have finished three years
of Ora although it's only the actual
amount of time is only two years and 44
days now and that means any fruit that
was that
bued within that period of time is
Ora but then the gamor says this is the
second aspect of Tu bishvat that the law
of Ora will extend until Tu
bishvat of
5787 because when you planted it it was
called a sapling it was not called an
Elan but after 3 years when it's able to
produce edible fruits it
graduates into Elan and the
rot is Tu bish which means therefore if
I plant something on the 15th of
5784 the P are Ora until Tu bishvat of
5787 okay I hope uh you're following
this and uh because because
essentially uh year one is a 44 day
year year 2 and three are complete years
but when you finish year three you have
to extend the year till the
TU year is always
like yep that that's correct that's the
LA the last one now this is only true
now let me this is only
true when you started with a short year
now let's
imagine what is the if I planted
something after the 15th of up I planted
something let's say
L of
5784 under those circumstances because I
didn't have my 44
days that doesn't count at all so
therefore I need three full years I need
all of
5785 I need all of 5786 I need all of
5787 the law of oila doesn't stop until
88 but then I don't have to wait to TU
bishvat because the rule that you have
to wait to TU bishvat is only if you
haven't had three full years meaning if
you're taking advantage of a short
year you need to extend your last year
to tubish but when you have three full
years because you planted less than 44
days in the old year so you need three
full years you never even for an Elon
you do not have to go to T right so this
is again a fascinating complicated uh
issue fact you have a similar question
if I planted let's say I planted today
before tubish um if I count three years
from the planting that'll be before the
last Tu bishvat some say I don't have to
wait to TU bishvat there either because
as long as I have three full years in
other words the requirement of Tu
bishvat is when you don't have three
full years so we we tag on a tu bishvat
when you have three full
years uh and that'll be under two
circumstances one is where I planted
less than 44 days before rashishana the
other is if I plant before Tu bishvat
when I count my three full years that'll
be over before Tu bishvat so then you
wouldn't have to wait in other words the
CLA is whenever you have three full
years uh you don't have to extend it to
tu bishvat tu bishvat is primarily a
necessary extension when you are taking
advantage of the shortened year of the
44 days right so this is uh the second
aspect of rash note one is for Trum
andos and the other is the
extension of the laws of
Ora when uh when you have a short year
because I'm sorry when you yeah when you
have a short year because you planted 44
days before the end of the year the one
youed yeah you go
to no no see no here's the thing let's
assume you planted today so today is the
what 13th this is the 13th of Shabbat of
5784 so if I count three years from that
that gives 13th of shat
5785 13th of shat
5786 and then 13 that's 13
5787 so three full years are up the 13th
of
shat
5787 so since so since you've completed
three full years before tuat you don't
have to wait to tubish right so so the
two scenarios where you don't have to
wait to TU bishvat is you planted
within 44 days of the end of the year or
you planted before tubish now by
contrast when you plant after Tu
bishvat right but before the 15th of
that's when you have to that's when you
get the benefit of that short year and
therefore the last uh we have to wait
till Tu Bish
yeah yeah well uh that's a good question
uh the question is what is the general
idea of Ora why does the Torah say that
for the first three years you are not
supposed to eat the fruits uh and indeed
even destroy it in in the most General
way uh all a lot of these laws simply
show that the land belongs to Hashem and
you need hashem's special permission and
you cannot simply assert your Sita over
it uh and that's that's part of it uh
and by the way the the Minag of up
sharing the Minag of uh not giving a
haircut until the child is 3 years old
which really was not in ashkanazi custom
so much but but now everybody takes it
from and but but it is from the Aral the
Aral brings such a minog and he bases it
on Ora that just like the fruit is not
ready for to be eaten until it's 3 years
the baby is not ready to be trained and
guided and educated until he reaches
three uh and therefore the upare and The
Cutting of the hair was traditionally
also the day that the child gets
inaugurated in the study of Torah right
they combine the up Sharin with letters
they put honey on you know different
Customs they put honey on the letters um
in some kilos the baby the child was
brought toer wrapped in a in a Talis but
the analogy is to Ora that the child
before three is like wild uncontrollable
growth of hair uh therefore not suitable
for
directed and and and the like uh but as
I say that that's kind of once we have
Ora we extrapolate it to other
situations but I don't know if that
explains why there was a concept of Ora
to begin with yeah is there any
difference between planting
rather yeah there there actually is no
difference uh even trees that are in
containers uh do have the law of Ora now
it is happens to be the case that a lot
of trees you know may not really produce
that much use edible fruit within a few
years anyway uh you know that the truth
of the matter is so it's like
substandard stuff for a while it takes a
while for the tree to get its act
together um but nevertheless Ora does
apply to potted potted trees uh as as as
well now as they say most of the time
though when you buy a sapling from a
nursery you know the sapling itself is
usually beyond the Ora period but you
got to be careful that there's dirt
attached to the roots that's the thing
in other
words as long as there's a lot of a ball
of dirt attached to the roots usually
you will not have an problem because the
tree is already beyond the Ora stage by
the time you buy it now if in the rare
situation like Johnny apple seed you you
actually plant I mean I I I don't know
anyone that even does this but if you
plant a tree from seed then of course uh
you're going to have all of the Ora
rules
yeah yeah I'm sorry okay yes I'm sorry
you want to say yeah in the
back yeah so here's the thing Ora is not
only user to eat it is user to get
benefit from like and anything that's
user to get benefit from you cannot even
feed to your animals now you can leave
it in the street so if hefer animal eat
it that's not your responsibility but
you cannot get the benefit of feeding
your own animals
Ora yeah yeah so there is something in
the fourth year as well uh the fourth
year is called
revi the fourth year and that has
becomes like a m sheney all of the
fruits of year number four are supposed
to be taken toam and eaten or
redeemed uh
so that's an issue with well today we
redeem it on a coin which we store and
uh we then eat it regular wherever you
want to eat it uh but you have to be po
the revi too and there too the the year
of
revi uh will go until Tu bishvat and and
it's based on again everything is based
on
budding so yeah what the of
the okay so uh as they say I'm giving
one on Wednesday night the tuat is not a
but once again it started as a custom of
the
mualim inat the Aral the
AR and basically uh the idea was it is a
celebration of the Bros of fertility
that Hashem has given to Isel a
recognition of the Hidden potential of
the sap that's not yet visible and a
recognition that a human being is also
compared to a tree and uh therefore for
it's a time of spiritual growth a time
of uh there is in the tubish four cups
of wine similar to the pesak Seder and
the cups move from Pure white to a
little bit of red mixed with white to
half and half to Pure red and that
represents either the change of seasons
from Winter to uh to fall or it
represents there are different
configurations of that and uh the amount
of fruits that one eats depends on the
different Min hug uh some have the seven
minim the seven species others have 12
different types of fruits conned the 12
combinations of yut V that can be
arranged 12 different ways so different
spiritual influences are brought into
the world and some have 30 types of
fruits and vegetable of 15 and but some
some have 30 just add the more than yeah
yeah but some do have 30
huh and the idea of of 30 uh is based on
the different worlds it's is very deeply
calistic but I I would say that the
minimum then one should Endeavor to have
the seven meum and
preferably um you know I don't I'm not
in charge of the menu I don't even know
exactly but but we don't we don't have
no we don't have 30 we don't have 30 we
don't have 30 I think we typically have
uh four cups of wine oh yeah four cups
of wine sure absolutely no no four cups
of wine for sure we have uh that's a
standard every tubish V has four cups of
wine uh but the number of minim will
will vary and what uh there is there are
good books in English and in Hebrew that
give different M from the medish and
from the Zohar about the qualities of
each of these fruits what they represent
and the like so it so before you eat the
date uh the
15 like yeah destroy
my it's it's interesting you could do
that but I I normally that's not that's
not in the TU bishvat per se it's more
of a gratitude for the fertility and and
each fruit represents a certain
spiritual Essence um okay uh we'll stop
here anyway have a happy Tu bishvat and