Haggada Shel Pesach - The Mysterious Old Age of Rebbe Elazar Ben Azaria

this Torah class is brought to you by Torah anytime.com okay good good morning everyone so um it's ready so we're going to move on from the Demons of last week put the demons in the closet and uh we're going to speak about a mish that we mention in the and one of the famous the mission ofar if anybody wants to look at it inside it's uh the gamar I'm sure you all know it by heart says like this we know there's a every day of if remember took us out of we certainly do that during the day the sh is is that a that we should be at night as well so M begins you want to look on the bottom of the page we're supposed to mention at night as well okay however that's not necessarily a definitive statement says I am as if I'm 70 years old I was never to say at night now some learned like this well he was what does mean he never he fell asleep every night before he got a chance to say the third par he was never successful in Victorious over the other opinion the other opinion is you're not supposed to say so says I always did but I was never victorious in my arguments over the other until Ben came up with the following the says in order that you remember the day you left MIM all the days of your life so obviously the word Co is extra could have said the days of your life why does it say all the days of your life says the when it says to remember the days of your life that refers to the days what does the extra call include the night that not only you have to remember during the day you have to remember in the night time as well that is the of and that is the position ofb that's in the got it from the m came first seem to say that Co does not include the night refers to This World includes not the night time but rather when mhia comes that even when mhia comes we'll have to remember that's that's a very strange thing you need a PK to tell you that we're going to have to be Mah mhia comes when mhia comes nothing's going to be different right we passing like people think it's going to be some kind of Supernatural existence it's life as usual no difference at all the only difference is you're not subject to the government so why would you need a to say that you'll have toes everybody knows there's a rule the are not B why would you need a to include the what I want to focus on first is he says I am as if I'm 70 years old obviously he wasn't 70 years old if he was 70 years old he would say he says as if I'm 70 years old actually we know we're going to see in the gar later on that was quite a young man at the time he was 18 years old but he's saying I'm as if I'm 70 what does that mean why is he as if 70 he wasn't a rabbi in the five towns he was a rabbi in B why is he's as if he's 70 years old so we look in the ramam the rabam says you have in the back take a look in the back of your gar the ra the r says a very unusual in the old age ofar let's see where it is here in this usually the parish Haram is after the [Applause] rush you guys have to be on your game because usually I make a joke with a straight face you got to be ready you know okay where's the [Applause] r and my Gara where did it go the rambam let me tell you what the rambam says before the [Music] [Applause] rush in the back it's it's right after the rush after see in bras they have different things the the ram says like this he wasn't 70 he was very young but he leared a lot and he learned a lot of and he learned another words he learned he learned M he learned all day and all night until his strength waned an old age jumped on him in other words it was a very stressful life when a person is involved in learning learning is not easy it's not learning you sit back in a hammock and you drink lemonade no no no learning saps you of energy learning saps you of all your strength so was such a m was such a he really aged 52 years in in the 18 years on this world and it's it was like a self induced old age like the gar says in other words what he saying is even though I'm a young man it's as if I'm 70 years old it's a very problematic Grand it's a very problematic Ram why what's the ram saying the ram saying that naturally looked like he was 70 years old what everybody knows maybe I don't say this lightly maybe the most famous gar in it's a famous story of RA and Ru and ra ra had a certain principle of where he he acted in a very authoritarian manner where he needed to take control over CL this was in the aftermath of the um sh and the authority of Cl was becoming very weak andam had a principal he had a sort of galvanized the Jewish people and he he acted in a very author authoritarian way and people didn't like it in fact there were three instances where he treated the he treated in a way which people thought was disrespectful and thear says on the final the third occasion someone came into the Bas medish and he asked is it a or is it a and ra expressed his opinion and RAB Yeshua expressed a different opinion and ra Gamel did not allow Rua to sit down and Rua is standing there and continues to give she and people thought that Ram was uh disrespecting Rua and they said it's enough this is already the third time that when gam is acting like a dictator we don't want Rabbi as a dictator we want to tell the rabbi what to do we tell him how to act we can't take this so they deposed ra G they f him so now they have a big sh who are they going to put in his place the says to putu he's the looks like you know he's trying to uh he he staged the whole thing to be able to take over should we put in Rab aka the says we can't put in Raba comes from G he doesn't have those to protect him who are they going to put in they're going to put in re aarya why rebelar Ben aarya thear says a few reasons number one he's wealthy so wealthy Rabbi needs to be wealthy yeah this way he doesn't have to butter up to any of the people no he nobody buys him out this way he could he could do what he wants and he's not beholden to anybody and number two he's a 10th Generation from Ezra and he has his to protect him so they go toar and they say would you like to be Nar says let me ask the boss let me ask my wife so he asks his wife and his wife tells him uh even though you don't know how long you're going to have the job for it's worthwhile to take the job even for a short amount of time okay then the gar says like this she said to him but there's one problem it's right you don't have any white here that that day he was 18 years old a miracle happened 18 RS rows of white hair grew in his beard why say I'm like 70 years old and he didn't say I'm as right he should have said I'm 70 years old the answer is he wasn't he was 18 years old and a miracle happened and his beard turned white so the problem is the r the well the mission wouldn't make sense with that other the gamorra says that he was 18 years old he looked like a young whipper snapper he had a black beard and in one night when his wife said you don't look old enough for the job a miracle happened and his beard turned gray that's not what the ramam says the ramam says that he was such a mmid and he was involved in learning day and night and day and night that his beard turned white out of all the agony and all the effort that he put into learning it was a natural process the r saying it was a natural process from his learning and the gamar says it was a it was an overnight miracle in order for him to look the part right so it's a stero between the RAM and the gumar the ramam says it was natural and the ram was certainly known as the naturalist the ra often dismissed miraculous things and the says clearly yeah it seems like uh no way to answer this I'm troubled by the fact that they would use the the white beard to influence such great everything everybody judges everything by the way it look nothing changes the the Miss itself what the mission itself says because right seems like there's a correlation the fact that he 570 now if he was 18 would be no significance that he I I mean the fact that a miracle happened and he looked old overnight would have nothing to do with the fact that uh would be not connected to the point that he never had the marriage because he's he's a young guy May who you know life just began for him he's saying the rambam's explanation of the mishna that he's like a venerable Sage would be more connected to his explain that he still never had this I hear but what the I'm saying is still the right got the okay so there found in many places it's in in it's in the and it's also in the has all the additions of bother by this okay says like this says grew 18 rows of white hair said the ra this was a natural process through through his constant analysis through his constant learning not that a miracle happened you know why listen to says say really every every anybody who learns he should look like he's 90 years old when he's 30 years old because really they um they had a meeting last night the first meeting of the year of all the Rabon so it used to be most ranam here in the neighborhood they were in their 60s 70s and 80s now most of them are in their 30s so you have all these young raban says says really somebody who learns Torah he should look like he's 90 years old El that's the way it should be naturally Hashem makes a miracle that even though really should weaken you and make your hair turn white and sap you of your energy makes a miracle that you remain vigorous and you remain fresh and and you have Vitality despite the fact that really T should be sapping you of all your strength so really it's a miracle that don't look 90 years older than they are comes and made a miracle on top of a miracle really should allow them to continue to look young comes he needed to look older because he just became the N so hasem made another miracle he's super he's super uh was he overrided the regular miraculous process and he allowed to look old even though miraculously usually do not look old so the ra is not a Ste to the gar when the gamar says miraculously looked old he did miraculously look old when the r says looked old naturally he did look old naturally the reason why he looked old even though he was only 18 years old is because all of his learning made him look old so why does thear say it was a miracle cuz normally miraculously you should look young comes andem overrode the regular miraculous process and he made another miracle that should be different and he should look old that's how the um answers up this zero between the RAM and thear I mean he didn't have to perform another miracle he just could original okay maybe he did maybe but that's also called since there's a system of Miracles for all the I here okay fine let's um let's move on to something so we have here whether when comes there's going to be says no says to include the nights and the say no is not to include the kns is to include so let's see a little G here and then I want to point out something very interesting says says how could you say such a thing are we going to talk about comes doesn't it say by the way there's not talking it's days are coming says the Lord you're not going to say by the life of who took us you're going to say took us out of the nor we call and from all the lands we're going to say took us out of America took us out of Europe took us out of all the seven continents that you were cast there so we see from the that when comes is really negligible it's really not that important we're not going to sayem who took us out of we're going to say hasem who took us out of our current gas so how could you say that when M comes we're still going to mention they said to him like this not that will be completely uprooted the main mention will be the fact that took us out of the current G will be secondary it won't be disappear it won't vanish it will be of secondary importance primary importance will be the fact that took us out of the second say going to be when M comes it will only it will be secondary to the primary mitvah of America will be says no says no there will be no when comes another similar analogous says tells your name will no longer be your name will be so says it's not that is not a name at all right not that is not a name at all the main name is is secondary so to the the from the current G will be the the from will be the this is the analogy that the are advancing to and so very interesting if you look in the ram in the right the ram has a tradition as do all the M of 63z the r lists one of the 63 the Mitzvah of the night of P okay everybody knows and strangely the ra he does not list that there's a mitvah of the ra what's it's every so it should be one of 63 why does ra omit the MIT yeah what oh very good so she is saying this is the KAS of okay for all you briskers out there there's a famous K of in the gra wants to know why does the ra omit the mitvah of so she is saying very good we just learned that the opinion of Ben is that the mitah of will not will not exist comes says but that means according to when comes you will not have to be day now we know when the r set up the he has shim of rules that govern what is a mitzah and what's not a Mitzvah one of the rules of the ram is that any Mitzvah which does not last forever and ever is not one of the 63 Mitzvah says the r and the ram then Accord says that according to Ben now it's a little bit odd that the r would be passing like Ben over the but according to Ben unless the r is reading the mishna like we said I never prevailed until came which would then mean that ultimately prevailed over the to them so you'd have to read the M that way right and then could be that ACC to it will beah that will be the Ra's third is that any Mitzvah which is not forever and ever is not one of 63 mitzah maybe that is why the ra the Mitzvah of okay got it got the rule fine last night 11:45 I'm looking around I need I need I don't have an I remember the disagrees with this argument he says this is not a valid reason why the ram would omit the Mitzvah of even according to says to you're not understanding correctly what means that when M comes we're not going to mention understands it that right now it's very significant to a Jew that it will not be significant at all we're not going to mention it no let's iron that let's explain that a little bit says right you know M was the father-in-law of rarin rarin color he says like this he brings down the answer that we just said from in the name of his friend he says he writes that according to night and doesn't include and the r doesn't count the that's going to be says it's not a good answer it's like this there's a Mitzvah in the T to remember G that's the Mitzvah what does g mean obviously g means a g that is significant to us it happens to be in our existence right now the G that is significant to us is it's not that theah is going to become it's the sameah there's aah to when comes the way that Mitzvah translates the way it materializes is remember the Gul that's significant then there's nothing is B there's one mitvah the Mitzvah is remember that when we're in a bind he takes he he's G us he redeems us so the when comes is B nothing's bot the mitvah is right now translates itself to me remember us out there's going to be a great day that is going to perform such great Miracles that is going to pale in comparison to the okay fine it doesn't mean the Mitzvah is it just means the way that we Mitzvah will be in a slightly different but it doesn't mean the Mitzvah is it's interesting you know there are many you have the ra and then the ran and the and the SM and the smack and the bahag and there many there many if you look in the smack is one of the 63 Mitzvah belief that mhia is coming no nobody counts it not one of 63 mitz to believe that mord to the ra it's one of the an but Kat nobody counts that believing that m is one 630 mitz now the r does say that if somebody doesn't believe mhia is coming but still nobody counts believing m is come is one of the 63 mitz you know why because we're in the doesn't say doesn't say anywhere that told us you have to believe Mia is coming could beas and but there's no expit comes the smack the smack says in the very first Mitzvah the first Mitzvah in the t is to believe Mia is coming what where does it say that you know what he he Marshals that's a it says you're commanded to believe Mah is coming huh that P says believe that took you how does that say believe that Mia is coming so I think it's a very similar type of idea to the there's no Mitzvah believe that took you it's a Mitzvah believe that when you're B that Hashem will can did will take you out in other words believing took you the definition of that is not just there was a historical event that was subjugated and took us out it's a mitvah that when CL isem takes us out of part of believing that took us out of is believing that hasem will take us out of the current Goos it's it's like flip sides of the same coin it's part of that Mitzvah so to say doesn't mean that when comes there's Noah there's still a Mitzvah to remember G but gas are different different times in history different G goulas carry different levels of significance okay let's move on to a little gamar a few lines down and see how it ties in you want to say something yeah says according to this there's no significance in it's only that that hasem takes you out of G so there's no this that's means are saying so so let's explain a little bit better what's the difference between and the say that when Mia comes the Mitzvah of remembering G will translate primarily to remembering the from Theos and secondary remembering and Ben would say no when mhia comes the mitzah will completely translate into remembering hasem took us out Theos and will not be remembered at all but everybody agrees there will be a mitvah of question is how will that translate only and not and not at all it doesn't make sense to remember where we came came from look a lot of things make sense it's this the tah is uh is divine divinely given that's where our founding that's good so according to the it will be there still be there'll still be in other words let's say when the Tora says will that be B no that won't be bot but as a specific Mitzvah of remembering it in and of itself that aspect of it will be B thear goes down further and talks about the name of Abram and you'll see what this has to do with anything says like this like 10 lines AB in called AB who Abraham same he's the same guy first he was the father of only and then he became the father of the whole world At first she was a princess for her Nation call anyone who says calls Abraham thenar says so saying right bavar is the tal of who of rabi bavar says anyone who calls abah is it's interesting if you look the brings down if you look in the he brings down this that if you have anyone who refers to comes want to know what say so how come nobody says this you can look in the r the ra doesn't bring it down you can look in the Riff you can look in the rash you can look in any of the money nobody brings down that say only the happens to bring it down none of the money I miss is bring it down like like how do they just Overlook the whole why doesn't anybody say this why doesn't anybody say not mentioned in any other of the classic so says like this and also this is not completely against completely not like says who do we passing like who says will be or do we passing like we pass like right not like said we passing like passing like that what that when Mia comes we're not going to we will mention um we will mention there will be a when when comes we pass like says what's this got to do with the price in China what's the bringing in abah and we're talking about remembering comes in you're talking about Abraham's name what's the over here why does bring this in says this is exactly parallel to the same way and say that you know when a bigger Miracle happens the question is does the smaller miracle get pushed aside completely or does it just remain secondary it's the same thing with Abram and Abraham you have somebody by the name of Abram he was the father of Aram then Hashem says forget Aram you're the king of the world so now the Shila is is he now only Abraham or is he also Abraham you can make the case okay he's the king of the world but he's he's also the father of Aram he didn't stop being the father of Aram or do you say no why would you call him the father of he's the father of everybody so the says the same way and will argue whether will be or will just be they will argue about the shame is completely out of the picture or is it secondary so what would the would say just like when M comes you'll still still remember it will be of secondary importance same thing with AB when Hashem came to ABR and they said but your name is Abraham abah didn't go into the garbage Abraham is still his name it's only secondary who said he's going who says that that is out the window and so to is out the window but disagree they say is not out the window so they're going to say's not out the window either of the bring down the of this is a very interesting that the has that really these garas exactly parallel each other and that's why the same way we passing like not like and you could call abam that's uh the of of barar it's interesting if you look in the balat we'll just end with this you look in the balat there's an idea that um the the G this concept of uh that we're trying to bring out from the smack that there is a that part of the Mitzvah part of the mitzah believing is believing in the that there's one Mitzvah the belief in G the belief in the G from belief in the future G if you look in he writes in at least five that all of the Miracles that happened in were a predecessor for the the Miracles of in other words we know there's a famous concept of right that whatever Abraham did created what would happen to us writes in many many places based on the of that all the Miracles that happened in were the predecessor were the pre-enactment and created the Miracles that will happen writes he says that was just practice for the of before mashia comes was just practice for the for the real he even goes as so far as to say before we enter we're going to be faran in the midbar they going to be me everything that we read in in is also to writes in many many places he he there's a there's a lot about this there's a lot about this there's going to be there's to be there's be there's be all the maras all the all the N are going to replay themselves so it gives an added Dimension to the idea of the SM that belief in part and parcel of that is belief in the because it's not two different events was the predecessor created the right the say there the whole say there you're you're got to do with anything why you mention after migu you don't that means whoever wrote the put in I mean the second half of the is all about the what's it got to do with anything what's it it's a very nice night to remember what happened 3,300 years ago the answer is everything that happened in is creating similar that creates so uh we're preparing ourselves we're preparing ourselves to uh the the S the creates the Because by reliving we're we're going through the it's it's a you know says what one more give me one more minute you say you eat a Sweet Apple and you say thank you I'm out of me give me a break has sitting up there in sh he's deciding whether we should have a good year or not and you're telling me if I need a sweet Apple I'm going to have a better year I mean he's looking at my he's looking how i d he's looking how I learn and you're telling me if I eat a Sweet Apple it's going to affect my year you're telling me don't eat a bitter food I'm going to have a bad year come on says that from the ran that the way Gaz work from sh is that when you do AA when you do a when you do AA it causes the gazer to materialize it causes it to come down you see for for something to come down from sh from all the from for it to trickle down through all the various down to this world there's a lot of it has to pass through when we do AA Thea concretizes so the decreed that we should have a sweet year but eating the Sweet Apple it causes the Gaz to to actualize more same thing is looking to utilize as a paradigm as a pre-enactment of the future G by us going through the of the reliving that's the that's the that will actualize and cause to materialize you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by Torah anytime.com