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so they ran out quickly and he ran after
them and he took out his gun and he said
give me my stuff back and get out of
here they gave the stuff back they got
out of there but you know where they
went to the police station the police
station and they filed a report and this
man was
arrested none of your business oi none
of your business Michael it's the noneof
your business podcast hosted by Michael
anoshi
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this amazing journey of ours Peter first
Welcome to our show thank you thank you
I'm very happy to be here it's such an
honor to have you and I and like ushi
said we feel safer having you in the
room and to be honest this is the
hottest topic now that is in synagogues
in places of prayers and even when you
go to a museum you look around you're
like is anybody carrying here is anybody
here to protect me in a school
especially I mean you turn on the news
any morning and you'll hear about an
unfortunate incident that happens in a
school and going to pray in synagogue
honestly today's day and age especially
since October 7th I'm personally nervous
now I was I always tell my friends I
misplace my earpods on a daily basis so
I'm not sure if I'm a good candidate for
a weapon but you'll have to tell me if
you think I am or not but um my history
with guns is my Nerf guns um I had a BB
gun when I was 14 years old because back
then then you were able to order
anything from a catalog right remember
those you you got your catalog I forget
the names of them but you could order
ninja stars and butterfly knives and
nunchucks and BB guns I had them all
under my mattress took a long time to
get though because you had to send a
check to get it that's true that is a
money order a money order correct yes
yes yes remember those yes so uh those
the payone days so I have to tell you
I'm excited for you to be here welcome
again to our show um we are on the
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you're a part of that Journey for us and
with us and uh like I said this is a Hot
Topic my friends that are all around me
started caring and I'll um I'll I'll
move it to you ushi in your experience
and what you're hearing but I will leave
you with this the one thing that my
friends tell me that go through the
course and especially the ones that have
learned from you on the legalities of
carrying a weapon and the severity of
the liability of having a weapon on you
is that if they're praying in a
synagogue and God forbid something
happens where someone comes in with a
weapon and you know starts just drawing
out his weapon and everybody's scared
you know what my friends who took
Peter's class tell me they say the first
person we shoot is Ellie and Ari and
yussi who didn't take a class who don't
know what they're doing who are likely
to kill others and then we go after the
terrorist have you heard that before I
have heard that I have heard that uh
look there's been a sea change over the
last
um I mean this is generational change
but in the last five years certainly
since the pandemic people's attitude
towards guns has changed and especially
in our communities uh in the Northeast
where guns were not so accepted uh
beforehand uh theyve more widespread
more accepting uh of people with guns
and uh now
certainly normal people everyday people
are applying for gun licenses at at
unbelievable race yeah well Peter I'm
one of those guys okay okay and I think
you're right the landscape has
completely tilted in the last 3 to 5
years you know 10 years ago somebody who
had a gun in their house it was an
anomaly correct so what do you need a
gun for what are you doing it's
dangerous but now today it's almost like
a necessity it's almost the opposite you
don't have a gun in your house like like
you do you know what's going on in the
world today and especially since October
7 that's what really really uh just gave
me the indication it's time it's time
you know I you can't sit here and rely
on the government rely on the local
police force it's great sure but every
person wants to protect their family and
at that moment it hit home for me and I
said it's time I got to do something
about it so I went and I applied and I
started taken the courses and I'm happy
to say that eight months later I now
have a concealed carry permit I have not
yet purchased my own gun which I'm going
to hope that you're going to help me out
Peter to decide what's a good fit for me
you know but I haven't yet done that but
I got my card I have my permit so I'm
you know I'm I'm a step ahead and a lot
of people in my community as well have
also taken upon themselves to get their
permits and you're right more people in
synagogues carrying makes everybody feel
safer absolutely and I think that this
has really become a very hot topic and
this has really been brought to the
Forefront because of what's going on in
the world when I met my wife
and I came from Brooklyn with a handgun
and her response was what are people
going to say if they find out that you
have a gun I don't want a gun in our
house you know people will be shunned uh
people won't let their kids play in our
house and that was the stigma in the
Northeast and so yes I think that the
that that covid was a big breaking point
right people looked at this situation
and said I didn't know basic government
services could just shut down in the
21st century in the Northeast right how
could that happen and so that's one
thing and I was uh in Israel in January
and I visited a lot of these communities
that were uh that were targeted that
were victimized by Kamas and I spoke to
people who didn't have guns in their
house who survived and they one guy told
us he called the police he picked up the
phone the lines were down and there was
no one there was no help and so people
are starting to understand
that you are your own first responder
you have no choice and that all happened
at the same time that the Supreme Court
reminded Us in 2022 in June of 2022 in
the Bruin decision that not only are you
your own first responder but you have a
constitutional right to be your own
first responder because the Supreme
Court told us that not only do you have
a right to have a gun you have a right
to carry that gun outside the home and
that that right is not for hunting or
some some sporting purpose but to defend
yourself for for self-defense and so
that was a really landmarked decision
that really opened up gun ownership and
and gun possession to a broader range of
people than had ever had that
opportunity before so you believe that's
very well articulated by the way you
believe that every single citizen every
common person the average person should
have a gun lying around their house to
protect their family I think our country
was founded on that principle and if you
look at our country in particular right
nobody Native Americans who were here
before we got here but no one else was
born here right all of us are from
people that took great Journeys across
great oceans to or or walk great
distances to come to this country we are
a selection of the most adventurous the
bravest the the most Fearless and so
this is what America is about and this
is this is our American Stock we are the
people that didn't stay behind we are
the people that were willing to take the
chance leave everything behind and and
travel across the world and so our
country was kind of founded on this
principle our founding fathers broke
away from a totalitarian government and
and the way I say this to people and I
way the way I say this to judges is our
founding fathers in their Infinite
Wisdom did not give us the con itional
right to possess anything other than one
item we don't have the constitutional
right to housing we don't have a
constitutional right to Medicine Medical
Care
to uh abortions to not to get not to get
political to Wine to basic necessities
to close the only constitutional right
guarantee the only item guaranteed under
the first under the constitution of this
country is the right to bear arms and
why is that because once you have that
then you can maintain your basic
freedoms then you can get the other
things you need you can get food you can
get shelter but without that everything
can be taken away from you and we our
founding fathers to have the foresight
250 years ago to say you know
what there's nothing else this is the
only thing we're not worried about you
having clothing we're not worried about
you having water or food but the right
to defend yourself the right to the item
that is most necessary to protect
yourself that you have a right to have
wow I have to tell you guys both of you
that um over a decade ago I bought
myself a shotgun and that's easy and
it's just an interesting phenomenon that
you can go to a Walmart and buy a
shotgun I didn't go to Walmart I went to
another store but I got a shotgun to
have a protection in my home I didn't
wait for concealed carry to get easier
to get I didn't wait for a situation
like I October 7th to wake me up I
always wanted to have a protection in my
home I I grew up in Brooklyn by the way
with a guard dog mhm we had a trained
German Shepherd and we needed that
German Shepherd to protect our home what
day bro in Brooklyn on Avenue I in East
Third M my old stomping grounds there we
go so you know that we used to wake up
in the morning to burning cars yep okay
I used to travel around to school with
brass knuckles mace and a butterfly
knife in my pocket just to feel
confident to make it to the school bus
right that's the environment that I
lived in so as soon as I had a house on
my own I said I need to have some sort
of protection and brass knuckles is not
going to cut it so I went out and I got
a shotgun but what makes it interesting
is well first of all I have to tell you
a quick story when I went to get the
shotgun I asked the guy behind the
counter I said what kind of shotgun do
you recommend he said the one that makes
the loudest sound when you [ __ ]
it that's the one that scars them off
yeah exactly and that's the one that I
got I got the loudest
that you can find and you know God
forbid I should never have to use it but
it makes a loud noise loud enough that
an intruder would uh be aware that
someone is carrying something um I'm
curious though what what are your
thoughts about that like why do I have
to have a concealed carry if you're
probably going to end up convincing me
not to carry it a lot because it's so
difficult which we'll get into later but
rather just let everybody know today
before you get a concealed carry go out
and get a shotgun and protect your
family well that's a no-brainer oh okay
so you're agreeing with I'm agreeing
with you brainer everyone should have
something there's there no-brainer that
you're going to have some protection in
your house sure okay you have an
obligation to yourself you have an
obligation to your family and you have
an obligation to your neighbors and my
gun makes everyone safer around me and I
feel very strongly about that and look
there are times where I don't carry for
whatever reason maybe I want to have a
drink with dinner maybe I have May
you know I want to be comfortable I uh I
don't want to have to wear a cover
garment whatever the situation is but on
those occasions I do have a certain
amount of guilt that uh okay I'm not
fulfilling my responsibility but
hopefully there are other people that
are fulfilling their responsibility and
keeping me safer when I'm let's say
falling down on the job interesting so
it's on your mind you know that it's on
your mind it's on my mind and so listen
when you have a gun on you right you you
have a different
attitude maybe you're not going to get
into it on the road with someone uh over
traffic dispute as a child I have to
tell you growing up in Brooklyn I felt
safe not only because we had a German
Shepherd that was trained his name was
poey by the way good um but we I also
had a dad that carried okay and he
carried every day he was an Israeli and
he was in the Israeli Army to him it was
second nature but he had a really cool
like you know the vest you know they had
the the gun holster on the side right
the shoulder Hoster exactly and um I'll
never forget it was 2:00 in the morning
and popey was barking and we knew that
if he's barking at 2:00 in the morning
if something is happening and we came to
the window and we saw two men trying to
break into our house and he you know
papey got them to he scared them off but
my dad didn't want them to ever come
back so he went out on the street in his
velour pajamas never forget it I was a
young child and he took out his gun and
he made them aware that we are a
carrying family and I have to tell you I
felt comfortable my entire life growing
up knowing that I'm in a very bad
neighborhood but I feel safe so thank
you ABA yeah I have to tell you Michael
and Peter it's very sad it saddens me
that it's come to this and we're now in
a position where yeah it's the the right
thing to do is to have some type of
weapon in your house to fend off some of
those people that potentially want to do
you harm you know I grew up in a very
small community everybody knew everybody
nobody locked their doors at night when
you parked your car you didn't bother if
your key was in your pocket or not you
left it there you left your car running
sometimes like that's that's how I grew
up and a lot of people grow up that way
and it's a very naive way to think that
this is how it is everywhere obviously
there are certain parts that are more
dangerous than others but how did it
come to this how did it get to be where
no matter where you go you're not safe
anymore you're not safe anywhere
wherever you go you have to look over
your shoulder and is this the new normal
is this how it's going to be forever are
we ever going to get to a point where we
can just start trusting each other again
so I think I have a broad view on this
because um I've been involved in the
criminal justice system for 33 years
okay so tell us about your background
okay so uh my background is uh kid from
Brooklyn New York City Public Schools uh
and ultimately uh I went to Carnegie
melon in Pittsburgh for college uh came
back to New York for law school and uh
after law school I was very privileged
to have what I think was the best job in
the world I was appointed as an
assistant district attorney in the New
York County District Attorneys Office in
Manhattan and um it was literally the
best job in the world and I got there in
1991 which was really the height of the
crack epidemic of the
1990s uh probably we hit the high
Watermark and homicide right around that
point Citywide maybe around 89 or 90 but
it was I was close to the peak and so I
came to New York I came to to be a
prosecutor first of all I grew up in New
York I grew up in Brooklyn I took the
subway to school took three Subways to
high school you hear it in your accent
very very discernable yes yes it is um
and uh I I took three Subways to school
and I saw the scourge of crime in New
York so I felt very excited about being
part of the solution and something great
happen because right after I got there
Giuliani became the president became the
mayor and uh J when juliani became the
mayor law enforcement really changed in
in a tremendous way because we went from
being reactive and really feeling that
we couldn't affect crime to
understanding that we were in control
and during the the 10 years I was a
prosecutor and I graduated from handling
the most mundane crimes the most minor
crimes they handling homicides the most
serious crimes and I was part of the gun
trafficking unit in the Manhattan DA's
office where we would buy guns
undercover in the street and Trace them
and and try to understand how uh guns
were illegal guns were flowing into New
York and we really made a difference and
over the time I was a prosecutor over
those 10 years crime and homicide to
violent crime and even the most minor
crimes went down and we went from a situ
situation where uh homeless people on
the street and and the the window
washers would come out to a to a place
where that didn't exist and then uh the
pendulum swung the other way and here we
are today but you know remember we're
talking about you know and I suspect
that not only are you younger than we
are you also grew up in a different uh
environment geographically but you're
younger than I that than we are so I
suspect that you grew up maybe during
more of the time when law enforcement
was having a positive effect and we grew
up before you know I I grew up in
Brooklyn in the 70s when you know it was
chaotic and police had lost all control
and there was no hope of that they they
thought there was no hope of ever
gaining control now look the formula is
very simple the formula is very simple a
small percentage of people are
committing a very large percentage of
the crimes if you throw those people in
prison the crimes go down then not out
there committing
crimes do we have the stomach to do that
anymore I'm not sure we did it got to a
point where we said this is the only
option but at some point it'll get bad
again and we're going to say that the
only option is to start throwing
criminals in prison I think what you're
saying is it's much better than it used
to be I mean at least that in terms of a
city living you know it is it is much
better but it's but it's on the
backslide again and uh and I'm and you
know you mentioned you're sad I'm sad
and I'm sad because I watched the
progress we made slipping away because
we're now become so uh liberal or woke
whatever the language is that we can't
do what we need to do to protect people
and we're watching it slip back to a
time that it was in the 70s and80s very
nerve-wracking I find that sad yeah yeah
that there's there's nothing worse than
hearing on the news about some
individual that committed some heinous
crime he killed someone stole from
someone whatever they did and then you
find out that this person was actually
incarcerated in the past was let go
under some technicality and some bail
reform Rule and they let him go and here
he is you know a repeat offender did it
a second time then you find out
sometimes that he was actually in jail
three or four times and he's like at
what point are we going to actually take
control here and say enough is enough
does somebody have to get kill until we
actually open our eyes say you know what
this person should not be on the streets
roaming freely they should actually be
in jail like I like it seems like the
system is almost working against us it's
supposed to be there to protect us but
it seems like not only they're not
protecting us but they're actually
trying to figure out ways how they can
increase the crime how they can let more
people in the streets that clearly don't
belong in the streets and we could talk
about maybe there are other routes
whether it's you know mental health you
know helping them you know
institutionalizing them giving them you
know the therapies that they need we
could talk about that but let's let's
face it bulk of what these people are
are is they're just Bad actors and they
need there needs to be consequences
every child knows this without
consequences everybody does whatever
they want it becomes Anarchy it becomes
chaos what is it about the state of New
York and I'm not a professional I'm not
a a a legal expert here but I know
enough to know that in New York we're
sort of spearheading this maybe some
other states as well but in New York
this is a giant problem why is it such a
problem here more than it is anywhere
else it's a great question I I don't
know that I have easy answer especially
because New York city became really the
safest large city in the country and we
we know how to do it so it's very hard
to explain why we would allow ourselves
to start moving back in the direction
that we fought so hard to get out of it
doesn't make any sense to me what was
one of the things Giuliani did what was
one of those notable things that he did
that you saw really made an impact okay
so one thing that I found incredible and
I had the privilege of being and you may
have heard this term compstat meeting no
compstat meeting is a meeting where
three or four Precinct commanders would
be called into a
room once a month and they would
basically be asked by the
chief about crime in their Community
they would want to know the chief would
want to know okay you had three
burglaries uh this month have you solved
it why not if you haven't solved it what
are you doing to solve it and there was
accountability and in that room at the
same time was the guy who's in charge of
the Narcotics Division for that area and
the guy who's in charge of parole for
that area and so the chief might say uh
to parole let me ask you something did
you parole any burglars to this
community in the last uh month or two
that we should be looking at is that a
possibility and uh there would be
someone taking notes and a month later
when they came back there would be real
progress or people would lose their jobs
and there was real
accountability like like a corporation
like you know not like a government like
this is the way that government should
be run it was really an incredible idea
and it worked it worked in an incredible
way you're running it like a business
like a business you know somebody
doesn't do their job they get fired and
by people having that hang over their
head that if I don't do my job I'm going
to get fired it lights a fire under
everybody's butts and everybody actually
does better I feel like in New York
today you feel like if you don't do your
job properly you can
sue not that you get promoted you get
promoted you get promoted A Whole New
World and of course we're in healthcare
every day we call the standup meetings
you have standup meetings you have
clinical you have operations morning
meetings every facility everybody's
there how are the meals doing how are
the people treat being treated and
everyone's there and each department
every Department sitting on a round
table ABCs of running an operation
sharing information with it's not being
done now this kind of statcom these
things I I don't know if it's being
being done it certainly doesn't appear
that it's being done and I'm not even
convinced that the goal is to reduce
crime I'm not convinced that that's the
wow I see that there is an attitude
today first of all there's an attitude
today that people who are jumping the
Turn Style are jumping the Turn Style
because they can't afford it and what
juliani said and what Bratton said the
police commissioner and what these what
was what the attitude was back then was
people who are committing crimes on the
subway are not paying for the privilege
of going down there to commit the crimes
they're the guys jumping the Turn Style
so if we stop guys who would jop at the
Turn Style we're going to find them with
guns we're going to find them with
knives and we're going to stop robberies
and what happened they started arresting
all the people that were beating the
fair and guess what crime went down
robberies went down violent crime went
down why because the people that were
coming onto the subway not because they
were going to work but because they were
going to cause trouble were not getting
on to the subway so the formula is
simple but we have this attitude today
like I think we
misunderstand people's motives we look
at everyone that okay they're poor you
know they're poor they're put
upon maybe there are people who are Bad
actors and we've lost vision of that you
we can't prosecute people who walk into
a CVS and steal right so now in New York
City CVSs are closing and there were at
there are neighborhoods where they can't
get basic items because the CVS is
saying I can't do business in this
environment risky it's too risky I have
friends that work in retail that they
tell me that the rule in their chain
store is that if someone is stealing you
let them go correct you don't go after
them it's too dangerous it is dangerous
it is it's just interesting you just let
them go yeah that makes sense you don't
even call the police you just let it go
you write it off it's like it's almost
like they know it's like jumping the
Turn Style right they know they can get
away with it which is the mentality
that's happening right off what should I
feel like you know a lot of my friends
have been telling me that they're
anxious going into New York City these
things now I'm a big fan of Manhattan I
love the city I feel like every few
blocks is another by the way he travels
to New York City on his own which is
another story I think it's very strange
yes it is odd isn't it a little weird
yeah he takes a trip with himself to the
city and he takes dinner with himself
and then he walks the streets with
himself sometimes he'll take his dog
with him PJ but for the most part and I
always ask him I was said Michael like
how do you do that like Love Manhattan
there's so much to see there's so many
projects going on there's so many
markets it's beautiful and it frustrates
me that people are you know anxious to
go to the city what do I tell them how
do I tell them do I tell them to feel
comfortable what's your feeling knowing
the legal side of what's happening right
so well I mean let me ask you this when
you're in the city do you have to step
over homeless people yes all the time it
depends where I am City for the most
part but you know I mean you know
they're there they're right 100% it's
sad but I look away and you see people
that are talking to themselves and look
unstable wandering around over okay I do
and do you do you think that
that gives people the feeling of safety
no right it's the opposite right so the
point is one of giuliani's other big uh
ideas was broken windows Theory right if
you walk into a neighborhood and you see
graffiti all over the place and you see
broken windows you're going to say to
yourself you know what this is a bad
neighborhood it's a red flag it's a red
flag right and so and people feel less
safe even though maybe they're totally
safe but they feel less safe if you walk
into man hat and you see that there's
homeless people that there's lawlessness
that there's people wandering in the
middle of street talking to themselves
you're going to feel less safe but I'll
tell you I have a bigger problem with
Manhattan and this is also I mean to me
this is just as bad maybe not as
dangerous but just as bad uh we have
cousins that live in uh Manhattan I try
not to go to Manhattan so much but we
have cousins live in Manhattan once a
year we go there for Thanksgiving okay
and we walk back to our car and maybe
it's 9:00 at night and the and people
have put the garbage out for the next
day and the rats are
everywhere and I look at this and I say
to
myself people are paying $20,000 a month
or more in rent to live here and this
looks like a third world country who
would pay for the privilege of living
like this so to me that's another
problem why does it have to be filthy
and before you answer that rhetorical
question the bottom line of it is that
it's not because it's so densely
populate we've we've dealt with these
issues before it's never been like this
before and so there is a certain level
of
Decay both in society in general and we
could talk about that but in Manhattan
in particular and in New York City uh
that I think makes people uncomfortable
I I definitely understand I just want to
say that I'm of course on the other side
of your two opinion I love Manhattan and
I believe if you go to New York City
near Central Park and you close your
eyes and you take in a big smell you
have a choice you can either smell the
garbage the put the person put the night
before or you could smell the fresh nuts
that are being brewed down the corner
you could smell the flowers or you could
smell the horse manure it's your you
know but you're Miss it's up to you and
and I and I get that what he's saying
and I think what I'm hearing and I'm
agreeing that I'm resonating with what
he's saying is you know New York the
officials they get away with a lot you
know why because it is the greatest city
in the world and it's hard to screw up
New York it's very hard they're doing a
damn good job they're really trying very
hard but it is it's it's an unbelievable
place I mean you people from all over
the world come thousands and thousands
of miles to come see New York even for a
day or two you know everybody always
asks everybody one question have you
ever been to New York have ever been to
New York right it's an amazing City and
it could be so much better it could be
so much better but they're just not
doing the right things and this is
really a sample of what you see all over
the country in all the big cities this
is the biggest struggle that they have
age and they take advantage of the
situation because they don't have to try
very hard and they can still charge
$20,000 or more I like the way you slid
that in by the way or more more a month
it's ridiculous the prices that are out
there you know there's a guy on Tik Tok
I don't know if you know he has a
channel he goes around asking people uh
hey you live in New York how much you
pay for rent and she gives him an answer
and then says you mind if I see your
apartment and he usually people say yeah
they know who he is the famous guy so
they oh it's your guy from Tik Tok yeah
sure let me show you my apartment and
you see it's amazing these people live
in 4x4s they live in a hole in the wall
some of these people have like a closet
and in the closet they have like a bed
that goes up against the wall they take
it down that's so they sleep they sleep
there they eat there they go to the
bathroom there and he ask them how much
you pay oh I'm paying $1,400 a month I'm
paying $2,400 a month I'm talking about
smaller than this room it's like every
square inch is so valuable and in this
city we're letting it get worse and
worse and worse and this is mediocrity
at best we could do so much better and I
love the fact that Julie and this is
known this is known that when Giuliani
and I'm not a big fan of juliani in
general but you can't take away from him
the credit of what he did in the city at
the time he did an amazing job and we
need more of these of these big cities
to follow suit and what you said
accountability when you have
accountability people fall in line and
when people fall in line everything is
better everybody is better for it when
people fall in line so I want to ask you
a question having said this again what
I'm saying is in a perfect world
probably never going to happen is there
any Merit this is going to be you know
might put you off a little bit and I
apologize in advance but is there any
Merit to saying look guns are dangerous
guns are bad they do bad things what do
you need a gun for if you if you have a
gun you're typically doing something bad
with it is there any type of path where
perhaps we should limit guns perhaps we
should instead of applying our efforts
into getting everybody to get their own
you know permits they can carry and more
people that are carrying the saf true
it's very one extreme but other extreme
which I don't know if I'm a fan of but I
I hear it and there are a lot of people
that are voicing this do you see a path
where we limit it instead of expanding
on it maybe that could be a solution
like is there some type of way that can
ever work I think it's a great question
I think it's a fair question I think
it's a great question and I think we'd
be remiss if we didn't discuss it so
let's discuss it right so they've done
this in uh in in in other parts of the
world they've done it in England and uh
what they found out was people are
stabbing each other now so now they want
to uh limit pointy knives uh and I'm not
joking there's really legislation
because because guns don't kill people
people correct right so that I mean
that's 100% correct right and so people
have been killing people since way
before the gun was invented okay so now
you've got a couple of problems here in
this country right because we talked
about the constitutional right and
so I look at it this way how long have
we been fighting this War on Drugs in
this country forever forever it's got to
be 75 years minimum right and my
question is how much have we spent have
we spent we we spent billions have we
spent trillions I think we spent
trillions right and I'm talking about
all the people that we throw in and all
the law enforcement trillions of dollars
okay
so are there less drugs today on the
street after fighting this war for 75
years than there were 75 years ago give
me two minutes I'll be able to find any
drug you want that's how rampant it is
correct correct so my point to you is we
have 300 million guns in the
country okay now we're going to now
we're going to impose restrictions okay
what drugs at least get consumed right
if we say okay no more drugs are coming
into this country at some point they're
going to get consumed guns don't get
consumed so now you tell me what happens
to the 300 million guns that are already
here and who gets them and who's
responsible for them and I'll tell you
what if you pass a law tomorrow that
says you got to turn in your gun I'm
turning in my gun he's turning his gun
he's turning in his gun but let me ask
you a question the guy who just got out
of prison that doesn't care about doing
any jail time is he turning into his gun
so to me these gun control laws select
for the people that are willing to
follow the law and the people that are
not willing to follow the law they're
the ones who are going to say you know
what I don't care about going to prison
I just got out of prison last week I'm
not turning my gun that's a great answer
you know Peter you literally like
answered the question spot on that I I
feel like you answered my question like
I now I'm now going to be the voice of
that ship has sailed we can no longer go
in the model of let's try to control it
let's limit it nobody should have G
because that ship is sailed we're past
that you're right there are millions
hundreds of millions of ammunition
that's already in the streets in the
possession of people that shouldn't have
them and I'll turn mine in you we're
law-abiding citizens for the most part
Stephan not so much he's a little more a
little more risque but for for most of
us the other guys are not turning their
their weapons in so fast so right now we
have to fight five
with fire that's what we're up to it
sounds like is that is that what you're
saying I don't think you have a choice I
I've never heard anyone give me an
alternative I'm I'm willing to listen as
I said I've been in this business for 33
years I've been on both sides of Law And
if someone came to me and said you know
what I've got a better mous crap I've
got an idea we're gonna we're gonna save
lives but everyone's idea always relies
on nonsense the fact is show me
something that worked show me a place
where it works let's let's go with this
for a second guys but you know I there's
a challenge that exists especially
living in New York right where New York
and New Jersey are so close to one
another and I'd like to ask you from a
technical and a legal standpoint what
are we to do what what are we supposed
to do so we have a concealed carry and I
have a store in Queens which this is a
true story that happened to someone I
know and three people come in and they
rob the guy to his face with knives and
the guy doesn't know what to do he's
scared he has a gun on him but he just
doesn't want to take it out at that
moment there three on one what's he
waiting for well because his life has
not been threatened yet there's three
guys with knives robbing him yeah yeah
yeah he's not taking out his gun because
it's scary and he'll tell you the
problem in New York with taking out your
gun hence the story I'm about to tell
you so they ran out quickly and he ran
after them and he took out his gun and
he said give me my stuff back and get
out of here they gave the stuff back
they got out of there but you know where
they went to the police station the
police station and they filed a report
and this man was arrested stop it real
true story Peter don't tell me you never
heard these type of stories before I
deal this is I'm on the front lines of
this okay this is what I deal with on
how are we supposed to deal with this
you just convince me you're saying that
story is actually viable that can
actually happen I'm telling you that
it's not only viable it's probable I
could predict where that story was going
so I have a guy by the way you don't
understand this is my this is my dayto
day so you know you give me a concealed
carry you can go to New York but be
careful traveling through New Jersey you
can't go to Time Square if you're
threatened and you pull it out you're
going to get arrested what is happening
right right please explain to us so even
if you have a gun they're not even
letting you use it well it's worse than
that right so New York and you know we
the term threat to democracy threat to
democracy is a term that's thrown around
a lot these and and to me there is a big
threat to democracy which is that we
have these institutions which have stood
the test of time and the Supreme Court
in 2022 told New York you have to honor
people's constitutional right to keep
and bear arms you have to give people
license to carry guns and you know what
New York said oh you're telling us we
have to give people a license to carry
guns we're going to make it so that they
can't carry to any place and we're going
to limit where they can carry it so now
it's working its way through the courts
now and there's lot of litigation and
most of what New York pasted has been
stayed by different federal judges but
in the interim you have New York saying
okay you're telling us that we have to
give people gun licenses we're telling
you're telling us we have to let them
carry it and all these various places
fine we're going to make sure that if
they use it they're never going to see
the light of day again and so you have
these Bodega owners if you read the New
York Post these Bodega owners who are
fearing for their lives who are
defending them themselves and defending
their stores are getting thrown in
Riker's Island for for for defending
their lives I was on my way to uh I go
on a lot of podcasts I don't know why
this is my lot you're a podcast junkie I
was on my way to a podcast this past
Thursday night okay 8 o'clock at night
how are we doing so far and I'm having a
great time love appreciate that so um it
turns out that uh my answering service
calls me it's 8:00 at night I have a guy
on the phone she tells me that uh he's
in he's in
lock up in uh the 72nd pre in Brooklyn
and uh he discharged his weapon okay so
I get him on the phone what happened he
got he owns a jewelry store and he had a
employee there uh employee has some
mental issues but he's with him been
with him for a long time they ended up
in a dispute the guy picks up a chair
and it's on video picks up a chair and
lunges at him with the chair over his
head and he pulled out a gun and he said
I didn't want to shoot guy so I just
turned a little bit shot into the
refrigerator and you could see it's all
on video the the person with the chair
over said drops the chair immediately
and puts his his hands over his ears
so he should be this is a hero I mean he
saved his own life and didn't have to
take this guy's
life so the cops didn't know what to do
with New York City and big meeting and
supervis and they said look uh you you
discharge your weapon we got to we got
to arrest now arrest arrest for what he
didn't do anything wrong he had a
license to carry the
gun he he was in a dangerous situation
he was in his own store you could even
see him at one point when the guy picks
up a chair he takes a step back and the
guy lunges at him it's so backwards and
this was by the way this is not a long
time ago this is this past Thursday this
was my Thursday night and uh and Friday
was spent uh dealing with this guy he
was in jail 30 hours awaiting
uh seeing a judge an arraignment yeah we
saw a judge Friday maybe 6 o' at night
and he was released on his own
recognizance for 30 hours in jail what's
the message right do you want to spend
30 hours in jail do I want to spend 30
hours in jail no by the way there's
plenty of people 30 hours in jail 30
hours in jail I could do it on one toe I
do 30 hours of jail like you know like
that but for a guy like this
who applied for his life waited a year
to get it went through the background
checks and the training put him in jail
for 30
hours for what he should get a reward he
should get a reward this guy should get
a reward and he did everything right and
and and in my opinion even more than he
did everything right really a hero who
thought fast he did everything right he
tried to retreat when he could and when
he couldn't Retreat he still didn't
resort to De let me ask you something
this guy that you dealt with Thursday
night all of these officials be it the
judge that was involved uh be it the
police officer that was arresting him
all the people that were involved in
this do any of them feel good about what
has been happening and what they've been
a part of does any of them feel are they
all oblivious to have the rest of us see
the story the public see the story or
are there really people involved in is
that actually say oh yeah this is the
way it should go down yeah this guy
discharged his firearm he should
actually go to jum for 30 hours is there
anybody in the world that's involved and
there that would say that it's a good
question because if there isn't I'd like
to know why is this happening I I I just
want to clarify he did take a shot he
took a shot into refrigerator no one got
hurt no no I get that but I'm saying
there are stories that I've confirmed
that where people have not taken correct
just discharging the weapon gets you
arrested New York City right correct
that's that's the challenge so people
shouldn't think oh he he shot the gun
normal it's insan if you just take out
your gun you're automatically getting
arrested and she has a great question
I'd love to hear what you have to say
about that but I'm I'm going to give you
another example I'm going answer your
question with another example okay it's
it's such a great question because I
just dealt with this today okay this is
my everyday okay so I have a guy he two
guys in the back of a car they had
licenses this is going back now probably
six years uh they had licenses from the
state of
Massachusetts they came to this is
before Brewin they came to Manhattan
they had the guns with Massachusetts
licenses Massachusetts license is not a
Texas license very hard to get and they
were stopped for for a routine the cops
said they passed the red light there
were five of them in the car everyone
got pulled out everyone got paded down
why it was not appropriate
so this guy who I'm representing now I
did not represent back six years ago I
represented the other guy in the back of
a car with a
gun he was represented by a free
attorney and he was a combat veteran he
was in Afghanistan he was in the
military he's a disabled veteran and
when I dealt with this case and remember
this was in Manhattan that's my old
office my old boss who I was working
with on this case he said to me Peter I
want you to be ready for what's going to
happen Okay this guy's a combat veteran
carries a lot of weight around he's
going to do a lot better than your
client and now going back to before
Bruin it was a mandatory minimum of
three and a half years in prison if you
had an illegal gun and the Massachusetts
license didn't count so they're telling
these guys you know look take two years
in prison for you're going or or we'll
send you to prison for five or more
maximum of 15 so anyway this guy gets an
opportunity the the combat veteran gets
an opportunity to plead guilty for
probation and he pleads
guilty my guy who I have so much respect
for because he had such guts to do he
said you know what these guys V
violating my rights I'm challenging this
case and we ended up doing and they
threatened him numerous times that you
going to be in prison prison and we
ended up doing a 5-day suppression
here judge Juan Maran you may have heard
that name he's been in the news all over
uh once or twice and he denied our
motion to suppress the Govern
unanimously reversed by the Appel
division uh and about three years after
the arrest my client was exonerated and
the indictment was dismissed he violated
his right now the combat veteran calls
me up and said can you do the same thing
for me and and I
said I don't know let me try and so
today I was dealing with this case
because this is still going on we've
made a motion to dismiss his indict now
the appell Court ruled that the entire
car stop was unconstitutional these guys
should have never been stopped should
have never been searched and now you
also have Bruin which says you know look
these guys had a constitutional right to
have the gun anyway so there's a lot of
grounds why and not the guy's done with
his probation it's over it's not about
that should he be a convicted felon for
the rest of his life sure he wants to
clean his record he wants to clean his
record and so what I'm hearing from the
prosecutor's office and we're going to
meet with the judge about this is look
we agree that his the right thing to do
is his indictment should be dismissed we
don't see a legal path to do it he
already put guilty he didn't challeng
this we don't see a legal path and my
response was and my response is going to
be when we meet with the judge on this
next week I didn't go to law school to
do the wrong thing because the law
mandates it we have to get out of this
mindset right and that was a long-winded
answer to your question but there were
so many people stuck in the Orthodoxy
uh the fact that you know purists
they're like right it's all about what
the law says there's no common sense
anymore now at the same time you have to
be careful because I am criticizing New
York York because I feel New York is not
complying with the Bruin decision and we
I talk about threat to democracy and I
say this is a threat to democracy if you
have the highest court in the country
the Supreme Court saying this is the law
and you say okay we're going to not
follow the law then to me that is a
threat to democracy okay you have to
respect these institutions so the law is
important I'm a lawyer I'm not
suggesting we should break the law but
what I'm saying is we are experienced we
are uh
knowledgeable and I refuse
to believe that the law doesn't make any
allowance for a situation like this
where everyone in the room the
prosecutor defense attorney and the
judge agree what the right thing and
there but we're going to do the wrong
thing because the law because we believe
the law says we have
to you know you're saying it so well by
the I want you to run for office one day
and we will support you back here okay
you're going to have because you really
are making sense that you're not getting
stuck in the mud with this is how it has
to be this is how it's always been like
you're willing to actually open your
mind and really break it down and see
what's feir what's right what's the
really the right thing to do right and
you got to protect the law you got there
has to be Integrity of course there's
always got to be rules but not to the
point where it's hurting people it's the
the rules are meant to help us if it's
hurting us then there's something wrong
here with the whole picture but let me
tell you something I remember this I saw
this clip I'll never forget it and it I
saw this clip probably 3 years ago and I
still remember till today um I'm a big
fan of Tucker Carlson I'm a big fan of
his I I like the I like the way he
thinks I like his style and I especially
like his delivery I like the way he he's
good I like the way he gives I like the
way he looks at people like he looks at
them like you know could you possibly be
this stupid exactly he's very quick on
his feet very quick on his you cannot
debate him so in any case he's
interviewing this guy Eric swell who's
who's a Democrat I know the guy okay you
know I had own personally but I know of
him okay yeah so he's interviewing him
and they're talking about this very
issue about guns the rights to bear arms
right Eric swall was telling Tucker like
Tucker let's be honest why do you need a
gun call the police if there's a problem
why do you really need a gun he says I
don't understand he says you don't need
a gun because you walked into my office
today with security guards who are
holding guns so you have people to
protect you and that's easy for you to
tell me not to have guns to protect
myself he said I talk your we people are
after you and I'm a public figure I need
to have people protecting me with guns
he said wor you think your life is more
important than mine you think you have a
more of a right to protect your family
more than I have a right to protect mine
and you know for a second like Eric
looked like wait a second that was
probably a bad a bad argument that I
made because he's right my life is not
any more important than his is right so
we should all have the god-given right
we should all be able to defend what's
most important to us which is our
families comes before anybody else it's
be killed or kill right we're going to
we're going to do what we have to do
100% but I'll say this unfortunately
this is the society that we live in
and we have to adapt and we got to do
things but tell me what are the three
states that have the most restrictive
gun laws in the country I imagine New
York is is in the top three what are the
other two I would put New York up there
New York is sure up there for sure and I
can't say that I know the law so well in
other states but I would think that
California would be up there I would
imagine uh Hawaii Believe It or Not
would have to be uh up Hawaii Hawaii I
think of Hawaii has this crime in Hawai
exactly everybody's at the beach
drinking you know drinking daquaries and
that's it uh I'm very anti- uh very
anti-gun there Massachusetts also M stop
right there let's say those three let's
say New York California and
Massachusetts I imagine that those three
states are probably also leading the
country in crime I would imagine that
they also have the most crimes the most
shootings the most murders is there some
type of connection there like can we
take some type of deduction from that
and look at now the three safest cities
countries uh states in the country let's
look at the three safest states and see
what are their gun laws shouldn't that
tell us something I think it tells us an
awful lot and there's a book out there
that's been out there for sometime uh
it's called and I think the title is
self-explanatory by professor John lot
uh more guns less crime and he did a
deep dive on statistics about this and
he claims exactly that that the more
guns the more guns extent extend in an
area the more the less crime there's
going to be yeah it's basic math think
about it if the bad guys already are
getting guns they're going to get one
regardless because they want to do stuff
with it so if you have more good guys
who are going to do only good things
with guns they're not going to shoot
people randomly they're only going to do
when they need to then also you're
evening out you're leveling the playing
field right now so the more guns you
have is actually quite better and this
was for me that eye opening moment when
I decid you know what all of us like you
know I thought about God forbid those
those Jews know not just Jews it was
wasn't even just Jews October 7 there
was Jews non-jews there was Arabs there
was other nationalities there as well
and they were just being mow down one by
one they're just being picked off and
this is in Israel where they probably
have more guns in in Israel than they do
in many other countries actually yes no
but ownership surprisingly private
ownership of Guns is very difficult in
depending on where you live in Israel is
an unknown thing in Israel this is
unknown and and private ownership of
long guns
is impossible there's no private
ownership G are you telling me that
Israel has gun control like like like
New York style gun control worse worse
very difficult but you have to remember
the most Israelis serve in the Army so
they end up being able to carry uh
because most people there are drafted
into the army well but that's that that
this is a recent change and it was only
um up until very recently that first of
all being in the Army didn't mean
anything you had to be had a by yet to
get to a certain rank in the Army now
they're lowering their standards because
you have a government that's more
right-wing and they and they saw what
happened so now it's they're opening it
up a little bit but it used to be that
being in the Army meant nothing because
otherwise everyone could have a gun I
had the privilege of having lunch with a
uh uh police commander in uh Israel a
couple years back and uh definitely
pre-october 7 and uh you know he was
explaining to me how difficult it was
this was in PVA in the middle of Israel
it wasn't uh you know in the West Bank
if you live in uh if you live on the
other side of the green line if you live
um really on the other side of the green
line then you could get you can get guns
handguns but uh like those Gaza
communities were considered safe they
couldn't get guns and there was and
there was no civilian ownership of
rifles you have people coming with RPGs
and AK-47s and you're shooting at them
with with with a uh uh your Glock it's
not the same thing wow I have I have to
ask you a quick question we're gonna
have to wrap up soon and I'm having such
a great time I I first maybe you'll have
me back I was going to say I'm inviting
you back already for for another episode
because there's so much to talk about
from the legal standpoint the technical
standpoint which I want to jump into
real quick because ushi started asking
about different states this applies to
all the Jews that live on the east coast
we're all friends with people from
Lakewood from Muny from the five towns
to Brooklyn what happens what are those
rules that we need to know can you tell
us and just educate us if I'm living in
the five burrows and I'm going to visit
my friend in Lakewood New Jersey or I'm
going to visit my friend in Muny and I
have to pass through tenek in order to
get to him what are the current laws
today what am I allowed to do and is
there any way around it is there any way
that you can help our listeners figure
out ways that I can carry When I visit
my uncle in another town even though I'm
passing through another state right so
this is a this is a great question okay
and this is you know this is a whole
show this question could take up a whole
show but we're not going to do that so
we're going to talk very quick uh there
is something called that every gun owner
should be aware of it was a Reagan
creation shows you how old it is it's
called the firearm owners protection act
and one of the fundamental principles in
the firearm owners protection act is
that you can drive through a
state with a gun from one place where
you can legally position possess it to
another place you can legally possess it
now there's a lot of rules involving
this one of them is the gun has to be uh
locked unloaded separate from the
ammunition in the trunk of the vehicle
um you can't make any deviations from
your from your trip really uh in other
words if you are going from Florida to
um to to Vermont where two places where
you don't even need a license to possess
a gun and you have a handgun and you're
not going to stop in New York on that
trp right you're not going to stay
overnight in a hotel in New York you
would maybe stay uh in New Hampshire you
would maybe stay uh uh someplace else
you're not going to stay in New York and
New Jersey you need a handgun license to
possess well okay New York you need a
handgun license you can't touch a
handgun in New York state unless you
have a license for that handgun that
means you can't go to a gun store you
can't shoot at a range unless you have a
handgun license uh very strict and it's
a very serious felony uh to possess a
handgun without a handgun
um there's a lot of rules right so what
we have in New York is I developed uh
it's going back right to around the time
of the pandemic we're about four years
old a prepaid legal plan for gun owners
in New York uh it's called New York taac
defense NY nytac defense nytac
defense.com and what it is is you pay my
firm $32 a month and the principal
benefit is that if you're involved in
the self-defense incident and this guy
who called me last Thursday night he was
part of the program so we jumped into
action and he's represented for free
he's already prepaid uh for $32 a month
it's a bargain and uh we will defend you
up to quarter of a million dollars of
criminal defense representation for free
but there's another huge benefit in New
York because how many people are going
to be involved in self-defense incidents
uh the other big benefit is that you
have my firm behind and this is what we
do and so if you have these kinds of
questions if you want to know hey I'm
going to my brother-in-law's house what
can I do can I carry there I have to
drive through Time Square what how much
is it a month it starts at $32 a month
you have $32 I can get the answer
because I have friends who want to visit
me from Brooklyn and they're asking me
we're coming to New York like a very
fair price by the way what they're get
great program and I have friends I
believe that are part of program corre
and good for them because they know now
that again they're more confident and
especially they're learning all the
proper rules of you um and and and I
want to just say this very a question
though you're asking me from they're
coming from Brooklyn let's make a clear
yeah exactly someone from Brooklyn is
coming to visit me and Muny they're both
New York state but they're passing
through T neck in order to get here no
problem they're allowed to pass through
New Jersey they're lowed to pass new can
they stop in New Jersey for for lunch so
uh no the answer would be no so they can
only transport it correct I see so they
can't make a stop locked unloaded
separate from the ammunition through New
Jersey what did you mean by You Me
mentioned in there that Florida and in
Vermont you don't need a license for a
gun what did you mean by that okay in
most States now and you know this is a
trend so now we've reached the majority
I think it's like maybe 27 States right
now have what they call constitutional
carry if you're an adult male over the
age of 21 21 or over then uh you have a
constitutional right to carry a gun in
public uh without a license you kidding
me no what did you know this yeah I did
know this I actually took the and by the
way did you hear about all the crime
that's going on you can get a gun you
don't need a license you can walk around
with it in Florida you and we're
functioning Society believe people are
actually getting along so the fact that
you didn't hear about it speaks volume
it really does because if believe me if
it was bad I would have known about it
you would have known about it and
somebody would have said we got to put
we got to Institute licenses right
exactly but it's workers you tell me
that in literally in Florida I can go to
a gun store I'm an adult I can buy a gun
you can oh I'm not a state I'm not a
resident a resident of Florida correct
can buy a gun and carry it around a
handgun a handgun a Glock a Glock you're
kidding you are kidding me no I'm not so
one second are you telling me that New
York is a different country than FL how
is it possible that in the same country
could be such a vast difference you know
I've said this uh for years and years
the cultural differences between Texas
and New York I mean I think that we have
more cultural simil similarities with
London and New York uh across the
Atlantic Ocean than we do do with Texas
in what's up with that it's it's it's
our system and by the way it's it's on
one hand it's a beautiful country and
it's beautiful and I love going down
South for this reason on the other hand
it's unbelievable and we have a lawsuit
going on right now against the nyp and
we have a uh against their Licensing
Division and one of our contentions
there's a couple of different aspects of
this lawsuit is that they have to by law
by the Constitution of the United States
accept the gun licenses of other states
that basically if you're licensed in New
Jersey in Texas in Massachusetts
wherever they should be required we're
asking a federal judge to order them to
accept those licenses they accept the
gun licenses I'm sorry the driver's
licenses from every other state they do
if you're a resident from London and
have a London driver's license and
you're driving around New York and you
show it to a cop you're here on vacation
you're not getting a ticket right but a
gun license and this is a constitutional
right they will not accept I wish you
would luck on that lawsuit by the way
know how that goes that's amazing and we
couldn't agree more I mean if it works
in one state it should work in the other
states as well we're it's all part of
the same country at the end of the day
but you know there's there's so many of
these types of things that really goes
on that makes no sense and you know just
it is what it is it's this is the way
it's always been done but there are
people like you who stand up for people
like me and you know thank God that we I
was about to say I thank you on behalf
of our communities uh for helping us
feel safer and uh it's just you know it
feels good to have you with us and and
educating us but when you're not busy
with guns and criminals what do you like
to do what do you do typically for
what's your hobby outside of what we
just talked about today okay so uh I am
very involved in community security and
synagogue security oh really uh I spent
a lot of time on that uh but also I have
uh uh a nice family I uh have a new
granddaughter who I spend a lot of time
and thank you nothing like it huh yeah
and so uh you know uh the family keeps
me very busy do your grand Carrie yeah
yes she's she but she's already been to
the Rain she's six months old yeah Peter
we have something that we like to do
tradition on our noneof your business
podcasts before we let you go uh we ask
you to think of a guest that would be a
select guest that you think would add
value to our growth of our podcast which
what we're trying to do here in general
is grow personally and professionally
who do you think would be a good guest
that you can ask that's in your Rolodex
that you say you know what this would be
a good person to go on your podcast Okay
so I'll tell you there is a very very
interesting guy he's a good friend of
mine and I don't want to throw any
friends under the bus I don't have his
permission to mention his name uh but he
is a lawyer in the area uh he was a
police officer in California he you may
know who this person is as I describe
him he's a police officer in California
grew up very reform uh he's now SPID and
uh he uh does criminal defense and
traffic tickets all right Peter that was
a great suggestion I want to thank you
for coming it was a pleasure for us to
have you here and uh really you educated
us and I feel like we grew in terms of
our knowledge and understanding of how
to keep ourselves safer yeah yeah I have
one more question I'm sorry Michael
please go for I apologize this is a very
important question okay this might be
the most important question that we've
covered till how about you start the
question and we end it with the next
episode when he's
back a cliffhanger exactly yeah we asked
the question and then to come back no
but this is going to help thousands of
people like there goingon to be a lot of
people that are going to be dependent on
this answer that you're G to give okay
it's a lot of pressure you ready for
this yes okay given that you've been in
the uh court scene for a long time and
you understand you know how the nature
of things work behind the scenes and all
that which TV show is the most accurate
depiction of it really goes on what TV
show would you recommend somebody watch
look no TV show is 100% perfect right
but LA and Order Law and Order yeah yeah
very depictive of what I used to do for
a little so not Boston Legal not Boston
okay that's my favorite what about suits
what about the show Suits You Know suits
so uh I've watched it interesting but
everybody wants to be that guy right of
course you know but you're asking me
about what's reality versus wanting to
be that guy and the reality of it is I
think La order so la order is actually
pretty an accurate depiction of what
goes on absolutely wow interesting okay
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