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Hello everyone and welcome to the good
vibes podcast. Today we're going to take
a look at puskv. From there we will init
learn a more surface level lesson as
well as a deeper lesson on this topic.
States
Sheriff Leesa Larosa. This translates
loosely to she rises while it is still
night and supplies provisions for her
household and another portion for her
children or her maids. Different
mafarian define it different ways. At
face value, we see that the Asia Kyle
wakes up before it gets busy and takes
care of her family. She takes care of
her husband, takes care of her children,
takes care of her home as a whole, and
she arises early to do so. So that's
really like the phat of this puzz. I
want to delve more into what this and
what this like direct translation can
teach us and we're going to touch on a
deeper level as well. So luckily to
enlighten us on this puzz we have Mrs.
Shane Gross. And Mrs. Gross with over 30
years in education as a classroom
teacher and a high school principal.
Mrs. Gross has dedicated her career to
inspiring and empowering women. She's
the founder of Tahila, Torah Education
with Heart in LA, a vibrant learning
platform offering Torah classes to women
of all ages, both in person and online.
Her classes focus on self-development,
personal growth, and building meaningful
connections. In addition, Mrs. Gross is
the founder of HeadtoHeart, a coaching
practice for singles and couples seeking
guidance in dating, relationships,
marriage, and intimacy. As a kala
teacher for over 25 years, she combines
her passion for education with her
commitment to strengthening
relationships and supporting women in
every stage of life. To extend her
reach, Mrs. Gross hosts two podcasts,
Teahila Torah and Head to Heart,
available on Spotify and Apple Podcasts,
offering listeners to the opportunity to
continue their growth journey wherever
they are. Welcome, Mrs. Gross. Thank you
so much for being here. It's so exciting
to be here. It's actually an honor. You
and I go back a long way. So, it's
exciting to be learning Torah together
with you. So, to enlighten us a little
bit on what makes Aisha very exciting
for me as a Torah teacher, as a coach,
as someone who's always looking to
empower women, to empower couples, is
that really what ASA is, it's the
written Torah version of what the
optimal Jewish woman should be. It's if
we women want to think to ourselves like
what are we aspiring for? What are we
reaching for? What's the optimal that we
could be? Ask Kyle sort of really
presents us with that. And one of my
favorites to use is rabbits and helers
on more precious than pearls. And she
talks about this particular puk and she
notes that when it says
one of the ways that the mafaram look at
this is that this is pointing out to us
that the ishas is not lazy that she's
willing to rise before dawn. And the
other idea that we can extract from here
is that she gives to all those important
people in her life, whether they're
employed by her or whether they are
related to her and very dear to her
heart based on their individual needs,
who they are and what their needs are
psychologically, physically. So I'd love
to take a look at those two ideas. You
know, zus is a tremendous mida that
ourim always talk about and the is being
praised for trying to tap into that
being able to wake up a few minutes
earlier when we need to. So for most of
us women it's often the morning that
calls us calls upon our zosas the most.
So we'll focus on the morning hours.
>> It may be that uh I was thinking you
know a shabas afternoon nap. You know, I
mean, there's a lot of ways that we
women can wake up earlier, but let's
focus on the morning. It can make all
the difference when you give yourself
those extra few minutes in the morning.
And sometimes those are the hardest
times to give that to yourself and to
your family. But the calmer atmosphere
that then is created really allows
family members to face the day with a
better self-image. Because without that
chaos and that morning stress which
often creates a sense of frustration,
maybe siblings are fighting more, mommy,
daddy are raising their voices,
whatever's going on. You know, it's
often not the best way to arm yourself
for the challenges of the day. You know,
I remember talking with a parenting
coach and she saying that type of
morning stress. You drop off your kids
and you're like, I love you. And then
you like drive away with that really
awful feeling in your heart cuz you're
like I love them but this didn't feel
loving at all. Right? So the fact that
the asyle gets up those 10 minutes
earlier
is really something that she's praised
for. She's being praised for her
foresight. She's also being praised for
that discipline. Something that is very
hard for even us adults, even those of
us who are very driven to muster that.
And especially if you're not a morning
person or especially if your work or
your life tasks keep you up late the
night before you're folding laundry
frantically, you're finishing, you know,
Shabas cooking,
>> you're waking up for children at night.
>> Exactly. Not hour after hour with a
nursing baby or a screaming kid or a
throwing up kid or who knows what else,
you know. So the first thing in this
pock that we could take note of is this
is something that the ish is being
praised for and it's something that we
could try to see which part of this is
practical and adaptable to our lives. We
never want to let perfect be the evil of
the good. So we're never looking for
perfect but what could we implement? You
know could we just do a few minutes
earlier? And if we can't could we focus
on the con and keeping out the stress
and really thinking about that. And the
second thing that the Asia Kyle is being
noted here for is this individual
treatment. The way she looks at husband,
children, relatives, those close to her,
right? Meaning that there's different
lonos in the puzz meaning it doesn't
just say basa or it doesn't just say and
the far speak out the different ways to
interpret that.
>> Exactly. The praise of the asyle seems
to be here another very beautiful
quality that we women can tap into and
that is that it's relationships are not
a one-sizefits-all
>> and so the way the pusk sort of explains
this to us is with a very interesting
lushum the pusk says the family members
can go into the pantry and tear off the
food they want they could take whatever
they want whatever they would like
there's no formality or restrictions
because that's how it should feel when
this is your home and you are a family
member. The employees, right? Let's just
in this case scenario paint a facicious
scenario where she has her business in
the basement. So the employees have a
different status. Maybe there's a
special place where they can go, but
they wouldn't come up and go into the
main family, you know, kitchen pantry.
The employed people in her life, say the
mafarim, they're told from the beginning
what they're going to be paid. There is
a formality and rightfully so. It's more
of a businesslike relationship. So the
asyle is being praised of having the
sensitivity to grasp that people and
situations are different and they
require different treatments. It's
fascinating. That's what makes Kyle such
an unbelievably incredible limud.
There's so much to learn from and so
much to be empowered by. And as a parent
bar hasham and a grandparent, I see two
very important concepts that we can
extract from this that I believe can be
helpful to us as women. One is really
seeing yourself, your spouse, your
children for who you and they are and
not trying to wish and push for them to
be what they aren't. really a a
tremendous level of acceptance and not
comparing them to another
or someone else in your life that you
wish they could be more like. It's the
celebration of the individual that's
extremely empowering and it really
applies to ourselves too,
right? I think the comparison is social
media today is a killer for, you know,
everybody whether you're exposed
directly to social media or you're not.
you're influenced by this culture of
comparison that could be really very
draining. Sometimes it could even be dis
you know destructive. So a lot of times
women will say well how can I make sure
that I don't compare? How can I really
accept my child or my husband for who
they are? And I always laugh and say
there's no magic pill. I wish I could
just say do these three things or
swallow this vitamin in the morning and
you are good to go. But the truth is,
it's wanting to that brings you to it.
There's no real way to fake that. It's
recognizing that it is such an important
quality and it is so empowering for
husbands and children that should push
and encourage and motivate women to
reach for that. You know what I'm
saying? But it really does require
internal work,
>> right? Meaning I of course it's internal
and of course there's no magic pill but
maybe you can walk us through a scenario
of a thought popping up and how you can
speak to you know self-sp speak to help
yourself get from one place to the next.
Yeah sure 100%. The best way that we
build confidence and self-worth and self
you know concept in our children you
know and the trust we build in our
deepest relationships our spouses and
other relationships that are very
meaningful is this acceptance of the
self and the self-t talk would be I
think seeing the good in that person. So
sometimes when we compare a husband we
compare a child we compare a scenario.
So something that I recently said at a
talk that I gave to a group of moms is
one very practical advice I could give
is surround yourself with people who
encourage your positive
>> self-t talk.
>> Don't hang out with neighbors,
friends to the best of your ability that
encourage your negative comparison. Put
down your spouse and put down your
children. We sometimes don't realize how
strong those voices live in our head.
But an encouraging friend, an
encouraging sibling, someone who sees
the positive, and I'm not talking about
a happy dancing clown, that isn't
realistic,
>> but you know what I mean, right? like
sometimes.
So when you surround yourself with
people who naturally want to have an
ayen tova,
then you're going to also be able to
strive for that versus when you have
someone saying, "Really? Your husband
does that? Well, my husband never does
that." When you're exposed to that
enough times, that's a very negative
voice. That's a very hard thing. It
starts to make you doubt yourself,
right? But when you surround yourself
with people who understand that husbands
and children aren't perfect. So there's
a there there's that dynamic. I also
think you do sometimes need to get
support around your relationships and
especially with your parenting. Children
are very challenging when they get
older, the teenage ages for sure, but
even the younger ages, they exhibit a
lot of behaviors that are hard to
understand. And I think when you can get
support around that and you can start to
see, you know, and really work with them
and see those behaviors improve, I think
it can also give you a lot of Does this
make sense?
>> I really like that. I think that it's
something that we don't even often think
about that some friends are probably
more positive. You know, when we're
younger, when we're in elementary
school, our parents might tell us, you
know, when you hang out with so this
friend might, you know, encourage you to
continue in the right path or whatever
whichever way a parent may phrase it.
But as we get older, I think sometimes
we forget that it doesn't actually
change. It just presents itself in
different ways. And I think that for
myself, I can definitely think of
friends that are extremely encouraging
and extremely supportive. And as opposed
to people that are in my life that might
not be and the feeling that you get and
that you're continuous of Hashem,
whether it's between you and Hashem or
you and your husband and you and your
children, you and the community, it it
really has an effect. And I'm so
grateful that you brought up that point.
It's something like to me that I'm just
thinking about now.
>> I'm so glad that it resonated because I
think it's a very powerful piece that we
sometimes forget about. And I would just
add sort of to conclude that piece that
another practical application is
recognizing that your child is on their
journey. And even you and your husband,
you're on a journey of life. So looking
for the positive in them and seeing the
positive and promoting the positive
often becomes a self-fulfilling
prophecy. And it's challenging because
there are also a lot of challenges that
come along. So when you're determined to
sort of keep working on these
relationships,
they do ultimately become a
self-fulfilling prophecy. The hardest
part in life is to stick with your goal.
That's one of the hardest things, right?
You know, so what we're basically saying
about this first concept is that
is that because the members of her
family had she has a very individual
relationship with them and she
recognizes that close relationships need
individualized attention. I was
extracting two very important ideas and
we just concluded this idea which is
seeing people for who they are is very
individual and very empowering and
that's how this concept connects to
when we can look at an employee when we
can look at a child when we can look at
a spouse we can see who they are as
individuals I often say when I consult
for high schools People are always
cracking down on employees and wishing
they were like this and wishing they
were like that. But I always say there's
a limit. Sometimes you just have to
accept a person for how they are. You
have to accept their strengths and
recognize their actionable parts. And
it's the exact same thing in our
families. And so the second idea of this
very individualized concept in terms of
seeing people as individuals and the
idea of the employee and the personal
relationship. I also see this as the
asyle having something very clear and
that is the concept of boundaries.
Boundaries in relationships is also a
very special and important thing.
Everybody benefits. When boundaries are
blurred, everybody struggles and suffers
sort of everybody loses out. And the
people who lose out the most from
blurred boundaries are the people we
care about the most. So if we have a
blurred boundary at work, the people we
care about the most in our work
environment, they struggle the most.
>> And if we have a blurred boundary
between work and home, then that's also
we're going to see that. Something that
I noticed in my own life is throughout
all the years of raising my family until
today there are always incredible
students and you know clients and
communal events and opportunities in my
own and my husband's life in some
capacity or another. And I remember many
years ago one of my students asked me
when my family was still much younger.
They said do your children resent us?
you know, because as a teacher and as a
community person, I spent a lot of time
with them and I clarified and I said,
"Barashem, they don't." So, firstly,
shout out to my husband and my children.
They get a lot of credit for their
support.
>> They really do. And I I definitely I
would be remiss if I didn't say that.
But one piece that I believe I focus
tremendously on is this idea of
boundaries. I would make sure to the
best of my human ability, remember,
perfect is the evil of the good. So,
we're not saying perfect. We're not
saying always. We're not saying never.
But to the best of my ability to never
put a student's needs ahead of my own
children or my husband's needs, there
were extenduating circumstances. And
even today, when I'm running classes for
adults, you know, I'm no longer in a
formalized school setting, but I'm still
teaching in a different capacity and I
have clients and I run my own coaching
practice. I'll really try my best to
revolve and make sure that my work life
revolves around my family life, that
family always comes first. And I think
in addition to always knowing where our
boundaries are and that our family comes
first is also that the people we love
most deserve the best of us. You know,
we don't want to be that we give the
best of ourselves away, right? you know,
our best waking hours, our best
creativity, our best patience,
our best level of, you know, strength
and capacity and interest, etc., you
know, and the people closest to us don't
get that because when they do, then they
really know how close they are. And I
also think that then children and
husbands could have patience sometimes
when we're not at our optimal or when we
have to ask them to wait because we have
a meeting or something else that we're
taking care of. You know, when their
needs are truly met, when their
relationship with us is not invisible
and it's clear, I think that is what the
Asia Kyle achieves. That's what I
believe that we're being taught here.
She knows who's an employee and who's a
close relative and who lives in the home
and who deserves to know that and to
feel that. You know, someone once told
me, she's a school psychologist, today
she's a principal, but she once told me
that she worked with a top therapist
here in Los Angeles. And she said the
way that woman when whenever they had
meetings and for whatever reason it was
appropriate. Obviously she'd never do if
it wasn't appropriate. She would answer
the phone and the way she responded to
grandchildren or to children who called.
She said it was a life lesson for her.
Right? That's exactly what the Asia Kyle
does. The Aishas Kyle knows that here
she's surrounding by her co-therapists
and she's warm with them. This was a
very warm relationship. But when
children and grandchildren called she
was a different person. And I know years
and years ago when I was still doing
bach mitzvah lessons so this is back in
the day like I'm not doing it now for
close over 20 years someone I was and I
used to go to children's homes when I
did this and I got very close to parents
and their children and one woman said to
me what you sounded like when you
answered the phone for your husband was
a side of you I didn't get to see it
made me really happy.
>> That's what I want. I I want to sound
different. I want it to be different. I
don't want it to sound the same when I
talk to him and I talk to everybody
else. Rabbd Miller said that sometimes,
you know, husbands and wives speak to
each other in a way that they would
never speak to anybody else, right? And
we don't we want that to be for the
chevak, not for the you know.
>> So those are my thoughts on the shot of
this beautiful. If I can add, I think
that up until now in the series, we've
discussed a little bit about
the Asia Kyle's constantly revolving
role and a different hat she wears. And
whether you're married without children
yet or with children, I think it's I
think it's true from the second you get
married that you're just constantly
wearing different hats. inspire Hashem.
And I think it's something that we see
how much Hashem trusts us to do this.
And I'm so inspired. I'm so taken back
thinking about how
there are people in our lives and we
know this. We know that our number one
thing is our husbands and our families
and our homes. But I'm taking it to
heart that when different people in my
life call me, I want to respond
accordingly. And that only with those
boundaries. Obviously, we're not just
saying it's about the phone that you
answer. It's just that's, you know, like
the tip of the iceberg example, but that
it's because of these boundaries that
your students were able to look up to
you and to have such a close
relationship with you and that your
children and that your husband because
of the boundaries. And I think that
sometimes boundaries get I mean, in
today's day and age, I think that more
and more people know that boundaries are
important, but sometimes they still get
a bad rep. And I think that this is like
almost showing the beauty of it and what
happens when boundaries are properly
instated and properly and it can take
time. It takes effort. But Lameisa, we
have so many different people and so
many different types and categories of
people that we're constantly dealing
with. Even the cashiers, you know, are
from grocery store or you want to be
respectful, you want to say hi, but they
are them and they're not your children,
they're not your husband. And I think
that only when you can behave in
different ways can you show true
importance and true connection with the
people that are most important to you.
>> 100%. Rabbi Urich said at a college
teacher camp conference this year he
said all the halos around kavode for
spouses. He says it's almost just
semantics for what you're really feeling
inside.
>> I love that.
>> He said if you feel true covid for your
spouse. So he says, "Yes, the Torah and
the Gumar and different Sparum are
giving you specifics. Don't say this, do
say that. Treat like this, treat like
that." He says, "But really, what is it
really? Cabote means that I see you. I
see you for who you are. I see you for
what you bring to the table. I believe
in your intrinsic value. So if you the
XM believe in the intrinsic value of
your spouse of your bestest friend of
your mother of your daughter of your who
these your closest people right it comes
across because you ask and believe that
right
>> and that's what the asasyle that's what
she has and that's what we're taught to
sort of look at and admire in her
>> that's so special that's so special I
think that I really appreciate that you
brought out this idea that the two
different lonos
A lot of my farm define it as husband
and children and you took the path of
like family, husband, children and
employee which I think again shows how
many different aspects of our lives we
have and puts a like an emphasis on how
the is behaves differently toward each
person. And this isn't even talking
about sne aspect of the way that you
speak to your husband is nowhere near
the same way that you speak to the
person bagging your groceries. Not even
for sure not even touching on the sne
aspect of that
>> but even just the overall perspective is
when you say no to one thing you're
saying yes to another thing.
>> So is there I wouldn't even say that
this is like the shot version because
you just gave us so much but is there a
deeper version of the pock that you also
want to touch on?
>> So you know what's interesting is this
is why I love love love the teachings of
rabbits and heler. I think the level of
Torah teaching that she gives us is
often very deep,
>> but it's so practical and it's so
applicable that I'm consistently drawn
back to her Torah and her Torah
teachings. And she actually says that
there is a deeper level to this. and she
focuses on the deeper level in the first
part of the Puk right until now we've
really been focused on the second part
which is
now Rabbit Heler says on a deeper level
we could look at the first part of the
which is
so really we did that in the beginning
we said
she wakes up like when it's still not so
you know bright and sunny outside and
she has the fortitude and the discipline
to get up early and we discussed that.
But on a deeper level, she says
obviously using mafarian, you know, Laya
refers to darker, harder times.
>> Right.
>> Right. It refers to a sense of gullus
when the going gets rough.
>> And we know bar hashem that we women are
blessed to be very strong in our amuna.
What does it mean to be a mammon? to the
ammon is one sees hashem beneath the
surface of everything beyond the current
situation and the circumstance
presenting itself. I see this with a
greater level of hashem in this moment
right now because we know that the show
of amuna is amain which can be
translated as true.
>> It could also be translated as so be it.
So amuna is I attest that this is true.
Amuna also comes from the concept of
affirmation.
We affirm Hashem's existence. So what
we're really saying with the concept of
a like when we say amen to Abraa, we're
saying true,
>> right? But living ama is the
affirmation.
Each time we live with amuna, it's like
saying a main with your being with your
action. Each time you face a situation
with amuna, what you're really doing is
you affirm the existence of akadeshu.
And we all know right you and I and
everybody listening that this is not
easy to do. There are circumstances in
our lives, small circumstances like
carpool frustration
>> and large circumstances like things that
present themselves at work and in our
relationships that are very challenging.
But also explains keel
are the rashos of amain.
>> So what we're saying when we have amuna
what we're saying with that am with that
amuna is the raonum is the faithful
king. We affirm that hashem is the life
force in everything around us. There is
no other force in life to reckon with.
He is our king. He's the ultimate ruler
and controller and he is always faithful
and which means we always could depend
on him. The raon shalom is consistent.
We women are blessed with a kak and have
the capacity to see all these three
things in our life situations. The force
of the raon shalom, the kingship of the
raon shalom and the faithfulness of the
raon shalom. And we have the capacity to
do this more clearly, more definitively
in our day-to-day lives than men do.
>> And amuna is developed through our
dabining. It's developed through
studying Torah. And it's also even more
developed by the glasses that you wear,
the paradigm by which you see life,
seeing Hashem in your day-to-day life.
And we have this very special kak. The
Rambam says that a person would be able
to see Hashem if there wasn't such a
mitzvah as amuna. If there wasn't such a
concept that we were being taught, we
would just live life and see the
incredible world that Akadesh Baru
created. And we would naturally have
amuna just by looking at his world. So
in a way amuna is a natural organic
intrinsic reaction to the amazing world
that Hashem lives in. And we women in a
certain way connect with that. And the
garra says that we could develop amuna
just by observing the rain. The rain
always falls to the earth that tea that
hashem created and the earth always
absorbs it. And just seeing this says
the garra could also foster amuna and
the maharal sees this rain coming down
and earth absorbing it as the mushel for
the male female relationship. this very
famous concept of no sin and makabel
>> and he says the men are compared to the
rain that falls and women to the earth
that absorbs which again is showing us
that women have the quality the ability
to absorb what they see in a way that
men don't see and absorb in the same
kind of way and there are many examples
in our day-to-day lives when something
doesn't work out for you the way you
wanted it could be minor frustration
more major difficulties. Women have a
way of spinning things, you know. But if
we just look in the Tanakh, we see in
Mitim, the women pushed the men to
maintain family life and to continue to
build families when it really seemed
hopeless. You know, when Amram separated
from his wife and all the men did the
same, that that wasn't just like a
petulant reaction. That was like a
serious reaction to like massive torture
that Claus was going through. And to
think that the women rallied the men and
wanted to have families, you know, it
was just really incredible. When the
Maraglin came back and there was so much
crying going on, etc., you know, it was
the women who could see beyond these
circumstances and say, "It seems really
terrible now in the moment,
but really we're taking a look sort of
at this larger global idea." And this is
the special co-ak of women. This is what
the Mish is telling us. This is when the
as rises
and she peers into the darkness. What
she's doing is she's relying on her true
perception of Hashem. When things look
bleak is often when women can be the
strongest. Rising, you know, in the dark
is a reference to this stronger amuna
that women have maintained.
And there's so much to say about amuna
you know it's such an important topic
so this is the main way of why
said you know zatal teaches that why
will we be zoh and ard from msiach as
opposed to greater do before us because
of our amuna because we've held on
through such a dark gullos so amuna is a
topic that is constantly talked about
and I sometimes think about you know
what can I bring to the table that maybe
has a fresh perspective on a topic that
has so much to say but people your
listeners are wise I'm sure they've
learned a lot about amuna you know and
so what I decided to circle back to that
I think maybe we can take from this puk
on a deeper level sort of as a practical
application is amuna in our marriages
amuna in raising our families and in our
life circumstances since we women have
an incredible ability
to push through when things are darker
and harder. You know, there are
situations that present themselves that
are hard to accept. Acceptance is the
most difficult thing for a human being.
Psychologically,
acceptance is a lot harder than action.
We human beings prefer to live in a
place of action in pushing for change in
do in the doing
the being
>> the sitting with something the
acceptance of something that is much
much harder and granted there are times
we need to push action is called for
change is called for
but acceptance is one of the hardest
things for people and acceptance the
being the sitting with something the
holding something is actually the kak of
a woman that's her kak of gura because a
woman is a vessel she's in the cab and
that's what she does and so I thought
that in the dark times in the hard times
when our closest relationships challenge
us women have a capacity to have amuna
to sit with what they know and to have
the patience and the endurance and the
resilience to work with what they're
being given. This is real women, real
time, real growth, you know.
I think we women give a lot of
>> Yes. Yes.
>> men do too. Not excluding them, but
>> Yes. Yes. Yes.
>> This is a podcast I think for women.
So,
>> thank you so much, Mrs. Gross, for
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