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Hello everyone and welcome back to the
good vibes podcast. This is the second
episode where we will focus on a really
useful and commonly noted theme from
Bakala
which the translation of is her
husband's heart trusts her and none of
his spoils will be missing. Okay, so
let's jump into what puk base is all
about. So the overarching theme of this
puzz that I want to focus on is a wife's
role to manage the home to keep the
moving pieces afloat to be a homemaker
for her husband and for her children and
to keep the home functioning smoothly
and calmly. When there is seder order
physically it aids the emotional and
spiritual order and serenity. This
physical and emotional seder can help us
focus on our growth and connection which
is what we are here for. And we see this
brought down in this with these mafarim
on the words the mats brings down that
when a man isn't in his house he relies
on his wife to keep everything in order
safe and secure that everything is there
in its rightful place everything is
being taken care of so much so that he
won't get frightened about his
possessions and leave what he's doing
and go back home and check.
Additionally, the Raag teaches us that
the husband's heart is secure and sure
because he knows his wife is on it. That
she knows where everything is and isn't.
For example, like maybe when we run out
of tissues, and that everything he
needs, she will be able to assist him
with. So, when I read this, two points
come to mind. To me, this shows us how
it really is part of an Asia style role
to ensure the house is managed, is taken
care of. In today's day and age, I
believe that this can be translated to
upkeeping the home. errands, household
tasks, home responsibility, etc.
Personally, I always think about the
grocery and the dishes because those are
my worst jobs or also things like
dealing with social security numbers and
passports. The mafarium are teaching us
that it is a wife's role to upkeep a
home and to do her part and make sure
her household is orderly and managing
efficiently and smoothly. In the world
that we're living in, homemaking is
almost looked down upon from the outside
world. This is a reminder to me that
really this is part of what a crowned as
Kyle does in a positive sense. It's
empowering to me personally. But this
leads me to my second point. Is this
even possible in today's day and age?
Was it ever possible? I'm not sure how
to take this information and practically
apply it and apply it in a happy and
healthy way. So luckily I have someone
who's extremely knowledgeable in this
area here with us today. Mrs. D'vorah
Henner. D'vorah is a life coach, a home
organizer, and a self-awareness mentor.
She's combined these three skills,
coaching women, time management, home
organizing, and emotional challenges
related to homemaking. D'Vorah's goal is
to turn one's individual stresses of
home/time management into a practical
and emotional success. I can personally
say that D'vorah Henner's work has had
such an impact internally and
externally. Welcome, D'vorah.
>> Thanks so much, Aki.
>> Thank you so much for joining us. Okay,
D'vorah, do you have anything to add
before we deep dive into this topic?
>> So, I I really love that imagery of the
calm husband knowing that his wife has
it all taken care of. I think um I like
to think of a woman's role as providing
stability for a family. When a child
knows that his basic needs are being
taken care of, he can thrive. In Maslo's
hierarchy of needs, the most basic level
is the psychological needs. For example,
let's say food and clothing and shelter.
That's really what we're providing.
We're providing our spouses and our
children with the security of knowing
that they can trust and rely on us with
their basic needs tended to. This way
they're free to accomplish what they
need to in the world. When it comes to
managing our time as wives and mothers,
I like to divide the focus into two
categories. There's the emotional aspect
and the practical aspect. The emotional
aspect is how we relate to managing time
in general. what kind of messages we've
received about it, our challenges in
this area, our challenges with the role
itself, what it means to bear
responsibility.
Practical aspect is more like making
schedules and lists and making your
personality work for you in your
homemaking, learning tools to overcome
procrastination and and many more
things. I think many women go straight
to the practical without dealing with
the emotional and then a big piece can
be missing. We know the how but not the
what and the why. That's why I often
encourage women to combine home
organization with the coaching. Also,
because each woman is a world unto
herself and she has her own personality,
her co-host, her childhood views,
expectations, her needs, the family.
There's really no oneizefits-all way to
run a home.
>> Wow. I really like that. I really like
how you phrased it that the emotional
and the practical when it comes to
homemaking
is so powerful. I think that's a really
big insight to, you know, our audience.
I think that we don't often realize how
much they're interrelated. So, I guess
with that being said, what do you think
about our second point about if it's
even attainable? I think that as a
devoted wife, we want to be able to do
these things. You know, we want to be
able to spray the counters down, the
groceries fully stocked and organized,
greeting kids home with love and warmth,
the doctor's appointments, laundry done,
and fold it so that we don't have the
last minute, "Ma, I don't have what to
wear tomorrow." But how do we do it? Is
it even possible? How do we give our
husbands and children that security in
that seder? Have you even heard these
kinds of remarks or am I the first one
bringing this to your attention? First
of all, I want to say that I feel that
in this generation, our expectations are
very, very high. We see a lot of
pictures of perfection and we think
that's normal. And if that's normal,
then what's going in our in our homes
must be abnormal or is dysfunctional
like our kids like to say. So, we want
to make sure that we're setting
reasonable, realistic goals. To answer
your question, while many of these
things are often our responsibility, it
doesn't mean that we ourselves need to
actually be doing all those things on
the list. I like to think of it as the
command center, making sure that
everything gets done, right? Maybe
preparing meals is my coke, but
supermarket shopping is not. Okay, so
that's great awareness. Can I delegated
to someone else? Can I shop online? Can
I prepare a master list that's gets
delivered to my door every week? Maybe I
don't mind dishes, but laundry is where
I fall behind. Okay, so can I give part
of that job to older children in the
family? Maybe a cleaning lady. Can I do
laundry, but have someone else fold it
and put it away? Only from the awareness
can we really come to the solutions. A
great tool when dealing with challenging
situations in general and specifically
in homemaking is really to ask
ourselves, if I could change one thing
to make this situation better or easier,
what would it be? Often from this, it
really gives a lot of clarity as to what
needs modifying.
>> Wow. I think that you just kind of
fine-tuned and honed in on how the
emotional and the practical connect and
how they relate. Maybe you could give us
some examples, right? Like let's say
there's a newly married wife. She
doesn't have any children yet. She's
trying to navigate running a home in the
practical sense and of course in the
emotional sense of getting used to this
new relationship, this new role and new
responsibilities that come with it. Can
you walk us through this girl, this new
wife, how she would approach her
emotional issues and her practical
issues in running a home. Okay. So in
terms of the emotional aspect, I have
two ideas that I would like to share.
One of them is accepting your
shortcomings. It's really a big one. We
spend a lot of time beating ourselves up
for what's hard for us. But honestly,
whatever we're good at and whatever
we're not good at is really god-given. I
like to say it's like each of us when we
were born received our very own peck of
traits. And each has a lot of yummy
stuff inside. And then there's other
stuff that's not so yummy. I like to say
like the black jelly beans. I apologize
to the people actually like black jelly
beans. Most people don't. So we each
have our traits that we're proud of and
the ones that we're less proud of, but
really we did nothing to receive either
one. So we want to just look inside our
peek and be curious without judgment
about what's in there and work with what
Hashem has given us because fighting and
denying the challenging parts of
ourselves takes up way too much energy
and it doesn't accomplish anything
anyway. We're all human and we all have
those things we're not so proud of. And
of course we want to work on ourselves
and we want to, you know, get better.
Specifically, you know, we're talking
about homemaking and taking care of the
home and we want to improve. We want to
make sure that there's stability in our
home, but we don't want to be brought
down by the things that are too
challenging for us. So, when it comes to
managing time and running a home, we
want to look at what Hashem has given us
and use those traits to the best of our
ability. And the things that we're
challenged with, we can be honest that
we might need some help. Maybe from
someone inside our home or maybe someone
outside our home.
>> That's so interesting. If I can just say
that you were saying that our
expectations were so high and I think
that often like back to the black jelly
beans. I think that we all think even
though we know that everybody else has
their black jelly beans when it comes to
our individual stuff and something
that's so um intimate and vulnerable
like our home. We think that like nobody
else has this black jelly bean. I'm the
only one that has this black jelly bean
and so much shame and guilt is around
that when really ideally it should be
compassion and curiosity. And I just
think that that's a great take-home of
like we all have our black jelly beans.
Totally.
>> And everyone else does also. And the way
to approach our positive attributes and
our attributes that are we want to work
on and even we can say negative. We can
say negative. We can own up to having
negative attributes. There's nothing
wrong with that. is approaching it with
compassion and curiosity as opposed to
you know shame right this is this is
what we have okay so let's work with
what we have
>> right okay so that's point number one
and you were saying point number two yes
so the second point I like to speak out
about a lot is um self-awareness and
that's where my workshop comes in um
it's very important especially young
women I feel very strongly they need to
learn about themselves learn about how
we function internally about our
triggers our values um how our childhood
affects our beliefs awareness about our
thoughts thoughts, what we're telling
ourselves. Like I said before, honest
awareness is the first step and only
from there can come solutions.
>> I think that's so powerful because I
think that we're in a society where we
want solutions fast and we just want
quick fixes and you know for sure that's
the way that our society is set up. But
as from yet we we kind of want to
challenge that a little bit and realize
where it's coming from. And I think that
what you're showing us and teaching us
is that self-awareness is the first step
to all of that. So I think that before
we can really work on finding a solution
and even a quote unquote quick fix, the
self-awareness piece is key. So let's
say our newly married wife, she, you
know, again, she's working on her
emotional piece, but practically how
does this newly married friend work on
accepting the shortcomings and the
self-awareness pieces. Right? So, we're
saying that we have this girl, she's
newly married. She wants to work on the
emotional aspect first. She's taken your
course, let's say, and she wants to work
on the accepting the shortcomings and
self-awareness piece. So, how do we
practically how does she do that? How
would you recommend to do that?
>> So, I think first of all, it's very
important that that young women put the
spotlight on the areas where they excel,
>> right?
>> We need to celebrate what's amazing
about us.
And uh you can even make a list, you
know, sit down and make a list of all
the things that are awesome about you.
Everyone has things that are special and
unique and they can use those things to
make their homes special and unique. You
know, you use your co-host. Many women
who struggle with time management are
the most creative women. I'm I'm
honestly jealous of them. Sometimes I'll
go to people's homes and see the things
they need to organize like all their
paints or all their jewelry or all their
whatever it is. They have so many
beautiful hobbies that I will never be
able to do. So these are amazing things
and
>> and they should be taken for granted
like we should celebrate them and own
them that this is something that we have
that a gift that Hashem gave us and find
a way to incorporate it. Right.
>> Exactly. And there are so many ways to
incorporate our creativity, share that
with our family, make things special
that other people can't and we want to
really capitalize on that. And once we
put the focus on all the ways that we
really shine, then we can also have more
acceptance of the things that are hard
for us. Oh wow, that's a great point.
Like instead of just saying, well, okay,
I'm not good at this and that and then
the other, first, focus on the positive
and then accepting your, you know, your
negative traits or your shortcomings is
not so hard when you already have an
awesome list right next to it, right?
Your awesome list, right? And then so
when it comes to things that are more
difficult, so there's also there, you
know, just like anything else, it's
difficult. We learn tools. We read
books. We speak to other women in the
same situation. We have mentors and
coaches to help us out. And we do the
best that we can.
>> You know, as our families grow, many
women will hire some extra help to help
them with the never-ending chores. You
know, the ones that just keep on going
and going, very cyclical.
>> At a certain point in my life, I hired
young women to help me with dishes and
laundry a few times a week. This was
really life-changing. And it went on
like this for a few years. And then at a
certain point, my oldest daughter said
to me, you know, mommy, it's a little
weird. I have this girl who's like only
a few years older than I am and she's
sitting on the couch folding my laundry.
To which I replied, well uh guess what
that means? And that's when uh my
daughter started helping out more at
home. Another point is that each stage
it brings new schedules, right? New
decisions, new dynamics. We have to know
that no stage is going to be forever,
right? really we go in stages and we
have to be honest and flexible and
constantly be open to re-evaluating
what's working and what's not right. I
think that it's would be so comfortable
if we just like had a set routine which
we do we do have set routines but like a
set kufa for like x amount of years but
that's just not really the way our lives
work. I think that that's not really the
way anybody's life works, but especially
for women who are baram having kids and
raising families and working and trying
to take care of, you know, all the
moving pieces. And I think it's
important to be flexible and to allow
yourselves to say like right now this is
working. I don't know if it's going to
work next month, but right now it's
working. And giving yourself the
permission to explore what's working now
and kind of like foreseeing that it
might not work in the future, and that's
okay. And we'll have to just shift gears
and pivot then. But I think that we get
frustrated like when you have a baby,
the first week they're, you know,
something's wrong, they're sick or then
the next week they're teething and then
the next week somebody hit them and
gone. Okay, so there's always going to
be something. So being able to accept
that and trying to make it work within
that stage is key. So how does
approaching these emotional pieces of
shortcomings and self-awareness help
with house management? like maybe you
can kind of hone in on that a little bit
more. How does the emotional lead to the
practical when we're talking about
making your home management more smooth?
I guess my question is how are they
intertwined?
>> Yeah. So, I'll give you a few examples,
some very practical examples. Let's say
I have a woman who she needs to go
through her clothing at the end of every
scene. There's a winter, there's summer,
and we're constantly going through our
closets, putting away the winter, taking
out the summer. It could be a big job.
When it comes to switching over to the
season, it could be this a woman who
feels like it's just too much. Maybe
deeper. She's really struggling with the
fact that she's not the same size she
was when she got married. And going
through her closet brings up these
feelings of sadness, maybe hopelessness,
and she sees these, you know, these
items in her closet that she's afraid
she's never going to fit into again. You
could have another woman who might look
at her home at the end of the day and
she sees a big mess and she can't get
off the couch. Now, she might call
herself lazy. Maybe someone else will
call her lazy. But she really has a part
of herself that just likes perfection.
She wants things to look perfect. And
subconsciously, she knows that her
home's never going to look as perfect as
that she wants it to. So, she kind of
subconsciously is saying to herself,
"Why should I even start? I'm just going
to keep it the way that it is." You
could have another woman who might
bristle at the thought of making
schedules to manage her time. And when
she thinks about it more deeply, she
realizes that she had a very
timeconscious parent and maybe she's
associating schedules with stress. See,
these are all examples of women who
could really benefit from working on the
emotional aspect before getting into the
practical.
>> Oh wow, that's really telling. I think
that we can all relate to one or more of
these examples. And personally, I think
that we can think of what is it that's a
task that's really difficult for me and
maybe see that there's something more to
it. Meaning when we have a practical
issue with running our home in other
areas as well, but right now we're
discussing our home. There's often a
deeper meaning and reason. When we work
on approaching that deeper emotional
issue, we can then find a practical
solution that has the emotional issue in
mind as well. I feel like you're saying
that really our emotional and practical
issues are actually totally intertwined.
And when we focus on only the practical
issue, we may find a practical surface
level solution, but the deeper, more
emotional issue will still be there. And
vice versa. Is that correct? Is that is
that what you're saying? Yes. Exactly.
Exactly. This is not always the case. I
don't want to make it sound like every
single homemaking issue has a deeper,
you know, issue underneath. Some women
just need practical tools to get them
going. But if someone finds that she's
tried the practical tools and she still
feels stuck, so maybe it's time to see
if there's something deeper that she
wants to explore,
>> right? Which is a really great point
that sometimes like you just need a
practical solution. Like if you're
living in a tiny house and you need more
space and you have tons of stuff, the
practical solution might just be getting
rid of more stuff if it's not hard for
you and if it's something that you can
do. So then like that's a practical
tool. I think it's important that you
know for sure the emotional and the
practical are very intertwined and I
would say even often intertwined but a
lot of times you just need a practical
solution sometimes but if you keep on
trying practical solutions and you try
again and try again and try again and
you're still not feeling fulfilled and
there's the issue is still coming up. I
would say that there's a really good
chance that the emotional piece is there
and approaching the emotional piece
could really help you. So let's go back
to the wife who has a hard time sorting
her clothes. she feels shame, let's say,
and she isn't the same size anymore.
Maybe she feels like her worth is
dependent on it. Can you walk us through
how you would coach her to number one,
heal her emotional issue, and number
two, for the time being, help her still
accomplish the practical need she needs
to do? For example, she still needs to
switch over her closet. So, how does she
practically do that if she has, you
know, such a deep emotional issue that
could take a while to work through? So
once we're aware of the deeper issue,
then we could work on replacing the
mistaken belief or ideas with truth. You
know, like I said, the awareness is
number one. Knowing that there's
something going on, it is already a huge
first step. It's half the work, right?
So she can explore where these beliefs
came from, challenge them. I very often
encourage women after they've, you know,
walked themselves through it and
understand it better to create a mantra
for themselves of what they know as
truth. But it can be hard to access in a
triggered state. So for example that
woman who's overwhelmed by organizing
her closet, she can come to a truth and
you know I can make up my own truth but
it's each person is responsible for
themselves because they know what their
truth is.
>> Their world is their reality.
>> Exactly. So they you know let's say her
truth is my size is not a reflection of
my worth or this is not my size forever.
I will work on my health and I'll also
remember that my nishama is the real me.
Right? often accessing this truth really
calms our system and then we're able to
approach whatever the job is
wholeheartedly even though we you know
albeit more gently maybe with somebody
professional or with just a friend who
can help her go through the decision-m
process but then it's not laden with all
this emotion separating it right it's
just okay now now I just need to do the
job it's not as heavy as it was before
right I really like this idea of a
mantra I think that we could benefit a
lot from that especially with our lives
our hasham being so busy, we don't
always have time to really work on this
in the moment when we have kids yelling
in our ear. We want to be able to be
present and to be focused. And having
that mantra in our head can really help
us get there quicker. Wow. Okay, that is
amazing to hear and really empowering
for wives struggling to manage their
home and keep their home running
smoothly. I think this is a great lesson
for us that when we see something
practically not working out time and
time again, consider that there's
something emotional behind it, consider
that the practical issue and the
emotional issues are really two sides of
the same coin and that approaching them
both with compassion and curiosity will
lend itself to a more wholesome and
lasting solution which like this PK
showed us like the Mafaram showed us
homemaking and home running is part of
being an Asia. This is what we want to
strive for. This is part of our role.
And understanding it from a deeper
perspective, from the emotional
perspective and from the practical
perspective can really help us
accomplish this and help us work our way
towards becoming an asyle. Do you have
any other points you want to give us or
anything to wrap up? I just want to like
point out that the goal is that our home
should be a place of simka, right, and
positivity. And if that's not coming
across, then we want to change
something, right? You know, not 100% of
the time, you know, obviously there are
ups and downs in every home. But the
majority of the time, the feel of the
home besides that, there's a secure
feeling that things are getting
accomplished. There's a secure feeling
that, you know, things are are bimha
things are done happily. There's like a
positivity in the home. So, I think
that's also something we really need to
focus on. How can I bring positivity to
my home?
>> And discovering kind of like the
underlying issues if there's such a deep
emotional issue in one area of
homemaking. So sima seems almost so
unattainable and this helps us make it a
part of our reality. Amazing. Wow. Okay.
Thank you so much for joining us,
D'vorah. If you have any questions for
D'vorah or want to take her
self-awareness course or to schedule a
coaching session, feel free to reach her
at d'
[email protected].
That's dvora d v o r a henner h e n e
r123gmail.com.
Please reach out and email us with any
questions or thoughts. We'd love to hear
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