Galus Yishmael and Mashiach Part 1

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parashat talks about many many travels when israel went through a total of 42 different for these two different travels of course we know that it corresponds to the 42-letter name of god god's name has 42 letters like we say in kabbalah each letter each of the first letters of that of that fillah is the 42-letter name of hashem but let's take a look at this pasuk it says these are the travels of banaya israel they left mitzrayim through moshe and aron why is it necessary for the pastor to tell me that the menesville left mitzrayim well really they left me trying to be kidding me i didn't everybody knows everyone knows me solomon's why isn't that necessary for this parashah which is discussing the travels of vanessa trial why is it necessary for the parasha to uh to introduce itself that these 42 travels the menace made when they left mitzrayim of course it's when they left mithraim and why does the powershell why does the torah have to say that they left mitzrayim beyond moshe and aron through moshe aron of course they left messiah through through moshe and aron okay so that's something we have to try to understand what's uh what's the puzzle trying to teach me okay so we begin with number one there's a say for kus nosar kasosnar was written by the rebbe of robionis and ibishuts vivionis nibishetz was a orphan and he grew up in the house of the custnosaur because the star's name was mayor he wrote the shout outs to chubas um i believe panama eros and he says something very interesting because nassar tells us that when the parasha tells me that these are the masos of israel these are the travels of banay's trial it's a remez it's an illusion these 42 travels allude to hope everyone has a sheet d sorry everyone everyone have a sheet there enough sheets over here these 42 travels allude to the 42 gallusim the ford excuse me the 42 travails so to speak that the venezuela went through and so it's not just telling me the history of when banay saw went through the midbar they went they went from here to here and here to there and there to there but it's actually a remez to 42 different travails that the khaisa would have to go through throughout history and the question is why who needs it why do we have so many travails throughout history why why when god took us out of egypt and he redeemed us why was that not the ghoul of slaima why was that not the final redemption and ghazal tell us that when redemption occurs through human beings ali de bhasava dam when a human being is involved in the redemption so the same way human being is finite he's temporary nobody lives forever so anything brought about by that human being is also temporary and therefore since when we left mitzrayim who was instrumental in us leaving mitzrayim around and moshe aren't as great as they were but they're only human beings therefore the goula from the trine was only temporary and that is why eventually kalisto had to go into gulas again again because since the goula was through moshe and aron and as great as they were they were human therefore it was temporary and because ashayatsu maya smith because we were exiled through moshe arun that is why throughout history we need to go back into galas because the gula was not complete the gula was temporary okay now i'll tell you something amazing so that's why the torah stresses the fact that we left mitsray in beyond moshovia why because since it was through human intervention it was temporary that's why ila massive and israel in other words why israel why throughout history do we constantly have travails and golos and trouble it's because why do we left mitzrayim through moshe in our own they were human beings and therefore their gullah was temporary let me tell you something amazing from the magawa amucos upon occasion we quote from the magala magala is lived in krakow in the time of the bach and the taz if you go to his cover it says that he had giloi eliahu panim upon him okay he spoke to leonavi face to face so look how many malchrios or how many golu sim have claudius oil gone through how many exiles are there four four go like four what are the four gallusin you have the babylonians you have the persians you have the greeks yavan and you have edom that's right the romans that's the simple way of saying the four golu symbol though we're going to learn tonight that that that may not be the unanimous opinion says if this parasha is telling me and alluding to me about all the travails and all the exiles of claudius royal says look at the first four words of the parashat bene israel what are the first letters of those four words yes you want to know what ela is you want to know what are the main travails and golusim and exiles of the jewish people what is it that's not one of the four actually um it's because we left egypt early through motion our own that that brought on these four goals egypt's not counted are we not counting we're not counting didn't make the list yeah but we're going to see it might be more than that yeah the morale says that something very interesting people want to know when's misha coming right as soon as the four gallows are over as soon as they're over mashiach will come but we'll explain that more but the magamuka says you're about curry you'll like this what is mean they were they left and they were chased out where where did they go munak they were placed ravi in the forgolusim what are they israel adam madai they were chased out and they were placed in the four gallons that's the truck on the words and the tswarahamar we quoted sometimes from sabah he goes on to say that these 42 masahis is really remiss to many different stops benedict had to make on the way he talks about how the jews went from israel to france and then to spain and then to the the arab world so these 42 maasai sabanesal made in the midbar is really a remiss to the future travails of bani strong but again israel adam bavel yavan okay let's talk a little bit about the four gallusin right in order let's just get a historical perspective who destroyed the first place hamikdash bavel the babylonians are then he had belshazzar those shots that was conquered by the persian empire kaireshda yavesh okay persians persians came and not i don't know if it's the same persians came you know what they did they defeated the babylonians and they built the second base amiktas it was under the auspices of the persian empire that the second temple was built great it was under the auspices of the persians the persians were taken over by the greeks alexander mocked them and the greeks were taken over by the roman empire okay rabbi sai if there are four malchiost in the world and we'll discuss a little bit about what that means it's not an accident obviously that's part of hashem's plan god's plan is that there should be four malchios and actually if you look at the very beginning of the torah it says says the matters what are these four languages emptiness means astonishment bayou emptiness darkness sahoon the abyss the meadows tells us if you look at number four ribshim ben lokish pasar kraya bhagolios rishlakir says that this pasik is talking about golos vihara when it says the land was astonishingly empty zagolas baba that refers to babylonia then the mattress goes on to say who emptiness that's persia the persian empire darkness refers to the greeks right because the greeks darkened our eyes and and during their during their empire they made decrees that were not allowed to we would be required to write on the horn of an ox that we have no shear in god and that's why the yumptup of chanukah which is light happened during the empire of the greeks which is darkness and then finally the word tahom what does tahom mean the abyss what's the abyss it's bottomless it's endless which empire is referred to as tahom the fourth empire the matrix doesn't identify it it calls it golos harusha the wicked exile which we always learned when we went to yeshiva that means rome right christianity asap however we'll see it's not so clear it's not necessarily true but let's for simplicity's sake let's say the fourth empire is edom rome okay had a connection with christian sure a sub is the father of of grandfather malik and aesop is edom adam is rome rome is the seat of of that religion okay now let's look at the end of the past the pasik says after touhou the spirit of god comes who is the spirit of god mashiach is called like it says hashem why will mashiach come released okay so you want to tell me more yeah no okay so whoever he is he's going to inaugurate that period but the revelation of the time will be hashem himself it will be like we say in kedusha that is we want to hear those words again when meshach comes there will be a person however the time will be under the under god under hashem himself by the way if anybody wants um pizza we have uh we have dinner if anybody's interested okay rabbot said one more thing when abraham avino at the brisbane habisarim had a vision god came to him where the pasak says no fella salaf he had a very fearsome treacherous frightening vision again the matters tells us what are these four things ema no fellas all of the matters tells us in the uncle shimoni this we force refers to the four golusim again over there um it doesn't work out that well and it doesn't work out over there okay so again these four golusim are not only things that we experienced it was predicted as early as from the time of avraham avinu and as early as the first day the world existed it was already preordained that there would be a concept of the four malrios before gollios okay now rabo said there's a very interesting safer it's called tanakh okay it's very interesting book it's uh written by hashem okay a very good book to know and there's a safer antenna called say for daniel now in sephora daniel in park zion daniel has a vision okay and i'm going to tell you what he saw daniel saw coming out of the sea coming out of the am he saw four kaios four animals what animals did danielle see first daniel sees a lion coming out of the sea with the e with the wings of an eagle okay scary no scary daniel saw a lion come out of the yam out of the sea with the wings of an eagle next daniel saw a beer a fat furry grizzly bear coming out of the sea next daniel saw another animal what did he see a leopard a leopard yeah a tiger but now with with uh spots and not stripes very important what spots and not stripes a leopard has spots right like it says a leopard can't change his spots right like you see a guy you don't know what he's up to is he up to good or bad so then you could you say to yourself like this what does he usually do if he's if he's usually up to something no good you could rest his short he's probably up to no good now because a leopard doesn't change his spots okay that's what it says in tana and then finally the fourth creature that comes out of the sea is a monster fearsome terrifying and he has iron feet and iron teeth and wherever he goes he's crumbling he's destroying he's mutilating what are these four animals again it's a remnants to the forgolusim the lion is the chief of all babylonia that was the first animal that the beer is a reference to the persian empire the original persians the gemara says they like to eat like a bear they had hair like a bear and they would always walk back and forth like a bear that was a long time ago beyonce you know the persian bathrooms the uh look when you yeah okay number three the leopard the leopard refers to greece and finally the fourth most terrifying monster was wrong they're simple that's a simple meaning okay that was daniel's vision that was the newest vision yeah the fourth goalless we'll say for simplicity's sake we'll say for now that refers to rome that's the most terrifying it's what we call voracious it's called the tahom it seems endless it seems like it has no end okay now let's address a very important question we're saying what are the four golusim ayla there is one empire that seems to have been left out and certainly we can make the case that this empire has caused us more trouble and has more hatred for the jewish people than any other people the arabs ishmael where are they what they had they didn't make the list i'm sure you know i'm sure if they could they would apply and they would be very happy to make the list of those who torment the jewish people why did you smile not make the list and i'll just tell you we're going to admit hashem this is going to be uh we're not going to be able to do everything tonight the opinion of the ibn ezra is ishmael is on the list who is he says if daniel saw the fourth animal a terrifying monster that if we don't know exactly who it is then it can be no one else but ishmael who hates the jewish people more than anybody else says ibn ezra the fourth goddess is ghost ishmael what happened to adam greece and rome it's all the same the fourth gala says ishmael and ramban disagrees says the reason why ezra said that is because he himself suffered from the arabs and you know he was very scared of them and ramban disagrees but let's let's start from from the beginning the question is according to the way we all went to shiva and we learned it's babel persia paras what happened to ishmael let's take a look at number six that boy said there's a pizza for anybody wants fresh pizza over there okay take a look at number six this is from the maral the morale in the safeway mitzvah let's take a look at it inside viesh binayo damshwalim some people ask the heihan ramez malchus ismail where is there a hint to the dominion of ishmael it's a very strong and powerful malcolus why is ishmael not on the list but they don't kill enough people they certainly they've met their quota of murder to make the list the answer is ishmael the reason why mahakasi small did not merit to make the list okay i'm going to tell you something very interesting going back to safer daniel when it talks about the formal rios it says that these four malchios gain their power the cablin they gain their power from in other words we'll say it outside first god wanted meluha dominion to belong to the jewish people why because when we reign the world when we govern the world then our ruling of the world proclaims to the world there is one god and god wants us to have maluka however the four malchios you know what they do they have usurped our meloha that's the definition of these machios they come and the power god gave to the jewish people babylonia persia greece rome has taken from us and therefore the definition of amalgas is a government that has usurped the power of the jewish people right what happened the jews had a basal mitarch who came along and the vulcan destroyed the temple what didn't do he usurped he sapped our energy he sat down the persians conquered the babylonians the persians then took the meluha the dominion from the nazar the greeks then conquered persia they took them rome then conquered greece so this maluha the definition of maluka is something that belongs to the jewish people that these nations usurped however ishmael ishmael does not get their melooka from the jewish people they have their own independent power where does their power come from abraham if only i would have one son like ishmael to live before you i'll be happy right god if only if only i would have ishmael so what does hashem say to abraham i have listened to your prayer regarding ishmael in other words god abraham prayed for ishmael god listened to abraham's fella has his own kayak his doesn't come from taking away araka he has his own kayak and therefore he's not considered one of the mauryans the definition of the definition of these four world powers is a power that takes me from bene israel and that's why we find that ultimately when mashiach comes and asov will go down the tubes asap will be destroyed the mushi and the heart what are the next words will go back to god they have taken god's and god gave us they stole it from us when we defeat them will go back to god that day god will be one but so long as these four goliaths have power they start questioning god's god's reign however ishmael has a separate source of kawach comes from abraham his god could god could defeat him any time our being our ascendancy is not dependent on his downfall okay whenever god decides to take it from him god will take it from him but also when adam is defeated correct our in other words our the relationship the jewish people have with the four malchios is when they're up we're down and where they're down we're up right like the way the raftner explained it or if huntner writes in a maimer and chanukah rapunzer says we find by asaf ullah's that rivka was told about yaakov right why because the relationship between yaakov and asav is asaf has taken our power so when a sub is up by definition we have to be down and when a stuff is down we have to be up like the gemara says if someone tells you rome and jerusalem are both built you can't believe him someone tells you roman and jerusalem are both destroyed don't believe him if someone tells you rome is up and jerusalem is down believe it because if rome is up where do you think they got their power from from the jews if jerusalem is up that means we have gained back our power from the romans right now we don't good point yeah yeah we're down wise well rome will will call it the uh the the western world the western religion the religion of the wood religion of the cross look they say they are right that's their claim do we know they're really descendants of it they're living the same land the same distance look yeah they seem to uh dress the same way they claim they're from ishmael they certainly act like the torah's description of ishmael so you know no reason not to assume you know did we take dna tests you know because i thought afternoon you mean uh um but either small the same thing as the arabs they say iran they're persians right they believe in muhammad but they're not having i don't know that they had conducive like some people said themselves is there any way from this we can learn that there's some potential for the arabs to do because they have their own power and they don't have to be dependent on them maybe maybe but what we're going to learn is that actually ishmael is very different than aesop in the sense that we have a tradition that very seldom does anybody convert from from the arab world to judaism it almost never happens but from rome from the christians it happens all the time and we're going back to us antoninos and this is uh we'll see in next week the promise that rifko was given rivka felt bad i'm no better than sarah sarah gave birth to yes rifka said i'm no better than abraham abraham eddie so can you smile so she was told no um you'll have yaakov but even asov there's some hope for him at least good gairan will come out of him but you small we have a tradition gay rim nobody converts from ishmael and hashem will see why it has to do with the character of ishmael that in a sense they don't even act with human dignity the way they dress the way they conduct themselves and we'll see you in the mar next week so they have their own independent source of continue they live whether we're up we're down that has nothing to do with them the day will come god will bring an end to them but it's not dependent we have nothing to do with it okay let's take a look at that inside rabbi yeah yeah so what's going to happen to the ishmael you said they were god will take care of them but our ascendancy is not dependent on their downfall they will have whatever power they have and when it's time to end god will put an end to it but we are not dependent on them there's no this relationship this up in the seesaw relationship between the jews only exists with asav but not ishmael okay we're supposed to drive out people yes but our our power our dominion is not from is not relate them okay let's take a look at this okay on the number six again and the third line of number six the passage only counts rakha malchus only those kings sheikh blue marches kadish that receive the melookha from the holy ones meaning from the jewish people shayyarsh israel only those who inherit the maha sabine israel the kocham and their strength the machios they are the four mahrios machines israel and if claudius does not have a downfall these four nations these four um hosts will never have any power their power is dependent on our downfall but the world of ishmael lo yarash israel they do not inherit their malchus from the jewish people because their strength god gave them independently this feels because they're the descendants of abraham the hashem god said god said i will listen to you regarding ishmael and therefore since ishmael has his own independent power they are not considered a meloha the definition of a maluka are those who have usurped the jewish people's power yishmael never took anything away from us they have their own power that's the first answer of the maraw but then the morale says let me tell you the more authoritative answer the real answer why ishmael is not counted you ready for this it's one two three five lines from the bottom okay and at first it's going to not make too much sense the yoser niroloma it would appear even further more kiyas the arabs are part of the persians the persian empire the arabs and the persian empire is the same thing they are included in the second in other words right we said babel babylonia persia greece rome part of persia are the arabs how does that make any sense the persian empire doesn't exist anymore there is no persian empire anymore the arabs are still here what are the arabs got to do if anything you could say that the arabs maybe are part of the roman empire that's we're on right now we're experiencing that golos what does ishmael have to do with the persians the persian empire crumbled when they were conquered by the greeks okay now let us turn to something as a side point and it's going to enhance something we said before again what are the two answers in the morale morale says why is yeshmah not counted among the four empires number one they have not usurped our power they have their own power and number two they're part of the persians i want to tell you in in the year tough shen lamed three i believe three airplanes were hijacked by arabs and uh one of the prisoners on one of the planes was the revital kutner the russia shiva of ishiba and they were hijacked it was taken to an arab country for a number of weeks and it was a very frightening time for the jewish people very scary time he was one of the dole dollaihadar and eventually uh they were able to rescue them he was there with his daughter brewerya you know uh um david so she's a famous woman teacher in arizona she's reporter's daughter anyway and because of this episode refutner chose to elaborate on the meaning of ishmael and what they represent in the world and what is the what what is their essence and rafner writes this is brought down in a commemorative journal about the life of rafner where putner says there is a distinction between the words that torah uses to describe the rulers of ishmael and the words the torah uses to describe the rulers of edom if you look at number eight in the end of pashas when it talks about the rules of ishmael you know what it says it says the rulers of ishmael are called nissim naseem just means princes princess what's the word used for the chieftains of asav alof timna el if you say saluf right aloof means general a king without a crown a king with dominion there's a difference between authority a lot of people have authority but they're not necessarily kings they don't have rulership asav is called alef has real maluka has real rulership because they their rulership comes it's stolen from the jewish people ishmael was never given real maluha there's a certain concept of rulership dominion not just control but a majestic overseeing a majestic control that's maluka was given to asap aesop is called the limb they're gonna see him they're just a bunch they're a bunch of cowboys you know they take out their gun and they they they kill people if they don't like them but they don't have majesty they don't have maluka that's a a essential difference between isa and ishmael isabel is aloof you say ishmael is nice point out something very interesting one of the ru what is the root cause of this what is the root cause of yeshua's hatred for the jewish people well we're going to talk about this more next week at least the asav has some connection to the avos why asap has irusha or yerusha asap was given her sayyar he was given rome as yerusha what does it mean inheritance if you have inheritance that means you have a connection to your father but what does it say about ishmael sarah said chase him out he no connection at all he was utterly rejected completely not only is he kicked out of the house but he did not have any yerusha and in fact ptosis asks how is avraham avinu allowed to remove yerusha from ishmael even if you have a son who's wicked you know how to stop him from inheriting and ptosis gives different answers but at the end of the day ishmael was utterly rejected completely he was chased out asap at least has some connection he doesn't have that enmity your smile was utterly rejected okay let's take a look at a very important gemara in the sector okay we have we have a lot of sheets tonight we have seven sheets so we're not going to get to everything this might take us two or three weeks but i want you to see a gemara in about azara this is number 31 number 31. okay we'll we'll uh sort of read it translate out loud translate outside the gemara tells us that before the ultimate redemption the king of magog his name is gog he's going to come gather together all the nations of the world against the jewish people and ultimately all the nations will be defeated and god will then judge all the nations of the world the day of reckoning and god will take out a safer torah and he'll say whoever learns this should come and take this come and get reward so obviously you know all the nations are going to come they're going to know whenever you give out anything for free everyone lines up so all the nations of the world they're going to be lining up the kumara tells us all the nations are going to come and gather their booby in great confusion mixed together and god's going to say look i need you to make an ordinary line you know organize yourself based on your nations and your leaders you need to make a clear line so all the nations sort of form um clear definitive delineated groups and the first nation to come in to claim their reward is rome igumar says why does rome come first the course is well rome is the most hush of the governor says why does where do we know that the most hashed person comes into the room first well because on rosh hashanah who does god judge first the king or the regular people first comes the king so too here rome will come in first to take reward so god says what are you doing here what do you have to do with the torah so roma is going to say well what do i have to do with the torah we made many marketplaces we made many bath houses we printed money gold and silver why do you think we did it we did it for the jews without pizza stores how are the jews going to learn torah without right without soda how the jews going to learn without money how the jew's going to learn so we did it for them come on we want reward so god says you fools you shout them so the brisker of points out also also points out why did god say you fools you should say you're a liar you're a liar you're not more than a fool you're a liar no they're not liars that's why they did it that may not have been their intention but the reason why god allowed them to do all these things is for the jewish people but god calls calls them fools because they never had that in mind but the god doesn't call them liars because that's what it's for so god says you fools you made market places in manhattan for the zonos you wanted a place for the prostitutes and you made bath houses because you like taking a hot shower and money god says money belongs to me lia case of lee has of no mashems money is mine so hashem says you learned torah show me who your magi shiruma are well you have some who taught torah among you show me so they walked out with their head down disheartened next comes in persia you hear this after rome comes in persia so it's a very strange order rome is the last exile then comes in persia and iguana says why persia persia persians are also not just the romans the persians are also okay and the gemara says persons come and they say look we want reward we made a lot of bridges we conquered a lot of cities and you know what else we made a lot of wars why why do we do it we did it for the jews to learn torah so god said you fools you didn't you didn't do it for that show me who your torah teachers are ah they have nothing and they walk out disheartened so the gemara says you know and then every nation at one after another comes in the quran asks you know why didn't they learn their lesson by the if god threw out the romans then the persians should have seen that you know it's not going to pay to to try to tell god that they built bridges so hashem should give them reward sigmar says every nation thought that they're better than the previous one the persians thought look the romans destroyed the base of mikdash that's why god doesn't want to reward them but we we built the second base to make theirs maybe god will reward us and then the gemara asks the million dollar question why are rome and persia the nations that are the ones that are the first nations to go to god and say pay up we want reward a lot of nations why don't the chinese come in first the indians the italians or even the the greeks the greeks and the and the babylonians they are coming later why only rome and persia are the first to come in says the gemara on the last line in 31 these two empires rome and persia remain until mashiach comes what i understand rome remains until mashiach comes edom the cross remains tamashika but persia which number exile were the persians number two they're long gone the greeks defeated them what's the gemara saying the persians will last until meshiach comes but according to the morale it's beautiful why is ishmael not counted among the formal because ishmael is counted who's ishmael persia so even though the traditional persian empire is gone but the arabs are also part of the persian empire and they are certainly here says they will be here until mashiach comes and that's why they are the two most kashif so ultimately at the end of the day the gemara says which two empires are here until mashiach rome persia what do you mean persia fell but the morale said who is included in persia ishmael says marau what does persia have to do with the arabs it's a different country it's a different culture it's a different ethnicity says the maraud when we define maoris it's not defined by what country you live in what ethnicity you are what culture you are it's defined by your actions what did the persians come and say they said we built bridges we made wars and well we made bridges we conquered cities we made wars that's the that was the definition of the early persian empire why do you make bridges to get to the next city the next city why do you conquer city to conquer the world why do you make words to conquer whose meda is that it's mal they spread out everywhere they want to conquer the world so the meda the attribute of the early persian empire is the same attribute as ishmael and therefore ishmael is included in persia and therefore the kumar says these are the two most important empires rome persia why persia persia is the is the izzy smile i'll tell you one last gemara to fit into this please we see today it's like and they are bothering us but who is the power behind all this these troubles and terrorism it's really pressure predator is feeding the source of all this terrorism between lebanon over the years the roman catholic church basically spent a lot of time analyzing the torah because they would have all those reputations with all the jewish scholars going back like okay good good but so you see from here that torah means the uh shabbat the oral law and even though the christians they have the written law but without the torah shabbat so they're not given credit for their study of torah even though you're right they do they do engage in bible study but that's not um that's not included in the torah okay one last gemara and then we'll hold it here there's still a lot to do we'll have to do it in two or three uh segments a gemara and yuma okay the gemara says number 32. okay we'll go back and let's hashem next week the gemara tells us that in the future rome will fall into the hands of the persians which also how does that make sense i thought persia is long gone rome will fall into the persians so again according to what we're saying that included in persia are the arabs and based on the way the world is going nowadays right now look the gemara says something very interesting in the middle of number 32 rabbi rahana said i'll prove to you rome will fall into the hands of the persians what's the proof listen to this who destroyed the first place of mikdash babylonians who conquered the babylonians persians it's like this if the persians were able to conquer the ones who destroyed the first place at mikdash and even though what did the persians care about the first place to make this they didn't build it and yet they conquered the ones that destroyed the first place of mikdash then certainly who could destroy the second base hamikdash rome certainly the persians will conquer them because they built the second mesa you hear this if persia is going to was able to step in and conquer those who destroyed the first temple and they don't care about the first temple certainly they will be able to destroy those who destroyed the second temple because they loved the second temple they built it they commissioned it was under their auspices and therefore obviously if they destroy babylonians they will be able to destroy the the romans okay rav said just the opposite the persians will be defeated by the romans at the end of days so you have mahlokis before meshiach comes who will defeat who will the persians defeat the romans or will the romans defeat the persians so rav said no persia will fall into the hands of rome so if kahana said back that doesn't make any sense the persians were the one who built the temple shouldn't they be the ones who defeat the ones who destroyed the temple so the muslims you're right it doesn't make sense but god's ways don't necessarily always make sense and don't think the persians are so good they built the second temple but they destroyed a lot of shulls in persia so therefore they also have have it coming to them okay the persians so we have two opinions what they built the second temple it was under the reign of quraish okay ezra came up it was under the persian empire that it was built so we have a big machokes what will happen before meshach comes will rome be defeated by the persians or will the persons be defeated by the romans in other words which religion will before meshach comes and the jewish people reign supreme will christianity defeat islam or will islam defeat christianity it's a dispute in the gemara it's a big machokus in the name of rebbe says persians will conquer rob says rome will conquer and the gemara ends off like this the kumar ends off rabbi who to send the name of rav meshiach will not come if you look in the second last line in the ignorant of it will not come until rome conquers the world for nine months tish of nine months why because since meshiach coming is like the birth of the jewish people so that means we need like nine months of labor nine months of birth pangs so rome will conquer the world for nine months until mashiach so we have a big machokas at the end of the there are four malchios you have you have you have persia you have greece you have rome but at the end of days persia will be there also battling with rome who will defeat who the first opinion is persia will defeat rome or another opinion israel will defeat persia and after we're left with only one standing nation and the maluka will return back to bane israel so again the only way to understand these gemaras the gemara naval dazara that was say that rome and persia are the most important because they will be until mashiach comes the only way to explain the gemara numa that at the end of days roman persia will battle it out is according to the morale that persia are ishmael otherwise why would you small be why would persia be around the sophia at the end of days okay rome is generally considered the western world america and the christian world okay which is according to you smile we'll end with one thing we'll end with one thing the ballot touring points out and we'll we'll continue this hashem next week we're only getting started here hashem if you look at the end of where it talks about all the all the chieftains all the rulers of ishmael the last passage of parashat sarah is they fall they fall what's the next words the beginning of practice we learned a few weeks ago when yeshmael has their downfall fiela what does that teach you all you smile when you smile at the end of days that's when that's obviously going according to the opinion of rebbe that you small that persia will defeat rome and after persia falls that's when meshach will come okay we will continue this topic of mercen next week 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