Full meeting

one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice much fish pursuant to the provisions of chapter 231 of the laws of 1976 the open public meetings act mr green myself notified the public that the notice of the date time location and agenda of this meeting to the extent known was provided at least 48 hours prior to the commencement of the meeting and the following matter one by posting such notice on the public announcement board of the lakewood board of education offices in the lakewood township municipal building number two by mailing such notice to the offices of the albuquerque park press and the tri-town news three by filing such notice with the board secretary for by mailing such notice to all individuals who requested and paid for a copy of sanctions ms gonzalez mr grunhalt yes mr silver here mr thomas here mr slackman mr president yourself with no presentation recognition of the public okay there are some check offs here and what i mean by that is as you see there are some people's names here with scratch show off so i assumed they intended to have a name scratched off tracy tipped is tracy tiff here oh he signed all right well tracy is on his way but he did sign it he's not here christine pacerno and she's here christine do you want to speak no okay just asking christine annette carney is here and then i see in purple does she want to speak where the um program is for the public school side we received various phone calls with some concerns so dr deb or you can get to me tonight or tomorrow just let us know where we through the chair of dr mcclure while there is concern when is the ses program for the uh starting for the benefit of the public the vendors were already given their list and they um quick suggestion uh maybe that the board should make a motion that all transportation days are for approval and all agendas consist of the company the amount the route number this number of students being transported and whether it's from and if we could get that in bold face type uh sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't i think we need something more along the lines of consistency um another question under the title one provisions uh when will the curriculum panel be started that includes the past in making some decisions about the curriculum me and miss the doctor here spoke briefly about apparent report i talked with the state i was wondering how much money is in the one percent set aside the title of the money market says uh set aside and they told so to me that we could use that money to make these technical uh this technology improvements in the infrastructure with five percent being the minimum i'm assuming you're referring to the money that's going to the parent portion but we have we are looking into different ways of using technology and we have different vendors coming in to discuss different data warehousing different communications and different based upgrades and current funds through other portions um sorry okay i know other community schools come to our school like for their place and stuff but i'm at least i'm not doing this without you here i would at least respect if they kept our portion and auditorium clean we'd come in after weekends mondays there's food on our floors balloons in here papers thrown all over and missing chairs and that's one thing we don't want to go back and clean the bathroom that's our question from what and supposedly a snackle machine a drink machine is being brought and i don't want to understand why aren't books being brought or props and other things for our musical isn't being provided because we need those not snapping machine we have two of them for them in each cafeteria and then we have no extracurricular support you hear things about jv varsity basketball and girls basketball you don't hear anything else about other activities austin barney is a member of all shore bed i am a member of all shore course for two years straight you know you don't hear anything else other than basketball and basketball that what about everybody else that's not fair so can i please get some answers i think the one answer that uh i will address is that it's unacceptable for you to come into the into your course room and into any of the setting that has been used for outside entities and for it to be unkept and unclean so you know somebody in community school from what we're told that when it's used that that extra services are paid for and contracted for cleanup that extra security has been utilized in certain cases when need be so what i'm hearing is that none of that is true they're the chair so we have to make sure that that occurs because that is completely acceptable because that is not what i hear well we've been told and actually the business office can review this any outside party who uses our facilities has to get a permit and actually uh the cleanup service gets paid to be there for what i understand so if that's happening uh we need to look into the contract with our vendor or vendors who are allegedly paid from what i understand to guarantee that the uh usage is monitored and uh i'm glad mr mr thomas brought that up because we're going to look into that now okay as a matter of fact many years ago i used to do performances for the kids and we had to pay upfront for the custodial service and the cleanup so so it's not you know you can't expect kids to be perfectly clean but you know that there's a fingerprint behind them and then the other thing i heard you loud and clear is that you know it's great excuse me guys excuse me it's great that we uh acknowledge these other activities the sports the jv basketball but there's a lot more going on other than that and that there are other people that need to be acknowledged and recognized as well and hopefully one of the things we need to do is begin to put together a very detailed report from the student representative so that they can sit here and they can help to represent more of those things because to be honest with you you know i've been to some of the plays i've been to some of the performances i've been to sporting events i've been to this that and the other i don't know how many other people may be able to say that so i know when i see who performs those who do these different things so i do think it's very important that all the children are acknowledged so hopefully maybe there can be some way you can work with the student government and say listen make sure you're announcing that you know i was all you know we had all sure members in the chorus we had also in the band we need to notice some other things are going on so that's where you can take a proactive stance and say let's make sure that information is disseminated um appropriately through the chair dr mccoy can we have we did this last year we actually had a beautiful performance by the band um could we ask dr mccor if you could have at the next meeting uh in consult with the principal either the poor is here it's of course the poorest or the band do some sort of performance documentary do that yes i can thank you i don't think uh is referring to what you're talking about because i believe the student representative in most cases does mention of the various different uh activities and acknowledgments that the various different clubs and performances received um i was wondering if perhaps in the video that you can help him that maybe you're afraid to publicity through the press and is there any way of of having the press right about these things and having a whether it's a news conference or a press release or something to that effect to point out the beautiful things of our district rather than them always building on the negatives so once it comes to this district are able to the district office we do contact the newspapers to then go back and talk to the principal i will go to the principles and again but let them know that this is important to all of us because we need to know the district okay barbara cutter chair please yes you're in high school actually right we've been asking all year that the administration starts doing some pr work on good things as another board member had said all year we would like to see some good things coming out of the lakeland school rather than all negativity so i appreciate your comments miss you lee's the principal there yes she is in consult with dr mccora and miss okay has she written anything for the administration on the count on this actually i received some of her memos to the administration uh as to issues at the high school positive issues but this would be a practice uh that needs to go into place from the top down mr fink as you've told the superintendent i agree with mr fink i don't know why we're still here almost at the end of the year february and we still can't get it right which is the problem we have so many positive things going on the high school middle school and the grade schools uh perhaps we need to as mr fink has asked for the path correctly so we the board with life i assume every like once a month a listing of all the activities that are going on in our schools and if you can relate to missilva dr mccarran which she's been related to already that we'd like the presentation here more often than not of the students in our schools we have something that was going on he also did title one barbara cutter cutter 65 drink bread in addition to what nadine said she is performing this saturday at neptune um things not being announced it's not being announced in the school either you know so no one is aware that these things happen and unless the student themselves say hey i was accepted and i'm participating um i'm very frustrated that again we're here in february we're still talking about the same thing again i'm going to bring up with the mic about security and in the buildings particularly in high school we're still talking about these issues i myself being in the school i'm followed around and escorted around as an involved parent yet kids are wandering everywhere no one's asking them where they're going where they belong they're just everywhere other community members are coming in setting up for the weekend events and you know you're kind of told well they can do what they want well why is that so there's a huge issue in this school and it needs to be dealt with now enough is enough i mean it can't wait till june it has to be dealt with now um i emailed miss silva and asking her if any grants were put in for security gotten a response back also in addition to the ses i hear stuff talked about it being set up and it's going to start and all that but i'm still not hearing and i keep asking is parent involvement how's that put in place because according to the rules there has to be parent involvement a committee put together immediately and they're also a committee that oversees and makes sure that everything is happening has that been put in place dr lacora that committee was part of the apparently designed committee that apparently is putting together the community outreach portion of that committee i would think that you would probably hear by the end of next week for that portion of that committee regarding the grant i think mr green yes mr green didn't want to speak about mr grant if you would take the microphone mr green is our new ba welcome to lakewood okay uh thank you mr rick and dr mccord um i was asked to look into a grant that was received by the brick board of education just recently it was posted in the paper okay and uh i did look into it although it is common knowledge that the grant comes from the new jersey school boards association insurance group and you must be a member of the you must you must be a part of that group we don't buy our insurance through that company and that is a big process that goes out and it is awarded to the lowest bidder so i'm not sure what happened in the past whether they were included whether they submitted a bid or not um certainly in the future i will certainly solicit from them if when we do go out to bid for insurance services but um you cannot receive a grant through that company unless you are a member of their group what i am going to speak to the other administrators about very shortly is just about other grant opportunities that might be available at the state and federal level especially not just for security but for other academic reasons i've i've seen success in the past with other school districts using utilizing a grant writer and but i'd like to hold a reserve any more comment about that until i speak to the superintendent pastor jackson good evening everyone that's earl jackson 271 chapaka road did anyone who ever set up this board meeting tonight with any knowledge of what was going on downtown so far as the street being a methodology nobody knew anything about that because it was i felt there was a conflict of interest i felt that the whole town should be together on this one thing and to have a board meeting set up same time we are honoring an officer that wasn't nice perhaps we can work together in the future other comments good well i i can honestly say that as the board president i undoubtedly get a call as to whether or not we need to have emergency meetings and when i did get the call for the emergency meeting i did not have knowledge or if there was knowledge it wasn't at the tip of my tongue when they called me at work i missed the things i was going i just looked at my schedule and availability and said it's an emergency and we need to do it and in all honesty uh you know for that i'll say yeah you know hopefully going forward it could be a little more in tune or someone could be a little more in tune to the things that are going on and i think what that does lend itself to is that we need to have a much better communication with law enforcement here in town because you know i do agree it would have been much more fitting for us to be there helping to honor that two days ago so whatever it might be obviously it was not it was last week it wasn't done purposefully uh we do the main reason we have the meeting which is a credit to our building ground chairperson who as soon as he learned of an issue requested an emergency meeting is at the middle school as you know it's called the canopy that canopy is a has a an issue with safety as soon as the chairman and the board learned of that it needs to come down right away that's where everything canopy outside um that is the initial reason why we're here this evening because we were told albeit belatedly um by our staff that that needs to come down so this meeting was scheduled within the 48 hours as soon as we learned of that so when you see the canopy coming down at the middle school please don't think it's because it's a danger and we are scheduling that to occur as soon as possible correct mr green correct all right kim and we're not selling the school or doing anything of that sort just removing what's been notified to the board uh building ground chair person belatedly again as soon as he found daddy asked for the special meeting ken singleton um i wanted to know and uh piggyback with annette said i got my fifth application for the ses and i'm trying to find out why i have to fill out five applications for the ses when i've already filled out four and then also i brought a couple of students with me that attended middle school my son has won unfortunately um because i'm trying to get a community-based save program which is students against violence everywhere started because it is greatly needed in the middle school and i brought a couple of students that could verify what is going on in the middle schools as far as the violence and the weapons and things that's going on and while we greatly need it sooner than later and i hope that this doesn't linger on like the book situation so i would like to feedback from the board tonight as to how soon we can get this started and i like to have myself as well as other community leaders trained in this area through the chair uh miss dr mccor are you aware of this yeah okay so can you report to the board first you really only need to fill out one scs form not five so i don't know if they were sent home to you just to make sure that everyone has received one because the schools don't keep the checklist this district office does so they just probably sent it out to make sure that kids are signing up that was a proactive thing to do in regards to just make sure we don't register too many as we've done correct in regards to safe we've had meetings we had a meeting last week you and i discussing the fact that it's being researched in terms of how well and effective it is and that i cannot put people into training at present because there is no training going on i've been discussing this with school board they have a school base they have a new director we're looking at whether i had a meeting after you left with other forms of preventive measures for the middle school we've discussed this so um should we move ahead with say who we train would be part of a committee to discuss who would be that person we've had multiple discussions thank you doctor elijah singleton thank you very much oh i'm sorry uh vijay i'm just kidding he's here okay he won't stand with him because he's heavy he's from the middle school okay i would like to talk about the violence that's been going on in lakewood middle school and i think there should be something done about it like these cute kids are bringing drugs violent things to school and my opinion is it has to be tough because kids these days are like smoking outside of the schools like in the bathroom and it's it needs to be done let me do this first please so we're consistent and treat all evil tracy tiff was here i didn't call his name we were not here now these need to be heard and now the board apparently said he could be hurt even though he hasn't so let's deal with that first go ahead thank you very much uh one quick question um about the violence in the school you know it's very rare that you have a student that comes here and and tries to express um what goes on inside the school and especially if there's smoking going on in the school which there shouldn't be um you know one of the things that we talked about before i'm not sure how far for our guy is that the school needs to have a security director to make sure that the security guards and that school are doing their job you don't have one right now because julie is in charge of security she can't handle it she really can't she wears like last meeting she's wearing several hats you know security should not be her her area responsibility nor should it be a paralympics exactly it should be a security director to make sure that the security people that you pay to come into this school are doing their job enough on that um i did a little research uh the last thing that we had as far as the busing situation as far as the misquotes that they put it inside the agenda on the state website i looked at some information as far as the contracting of transportation uh the way that it's supposed to work and i know mike's probably aware of this anytime that a bus company has to have an error in their either routing or in the amount of money that they charge the contract the bid is supposed to go back up a bit supposed to go back up for bid to get all the other companies that didn't get a chance to put in the second day because now the company is not the lowest bidder anymore they're now popular because they'll be submitting a different amount from than what they originally uh said and that's what the state and we need to make sure that we make these bus companies we have to enforce that because if not they're getting over on the board and on the taxpayers very very important i agree wholeheartedly without sorry if you're not allowed now one more thing um on the agenda section eight uh number two the petitions are the payment of rent for non-public schools from title one it doesn't it doesn't have an amount there is is there a reason for that that there's no amount are you done yes i'm not thank you all right regarding the busing you raise a valid point what we have been assured by ms benell that it wasn't that they the bus companies did something wrong it was the people of the years who misroad it however we do have a full-time excellent director as a credit to the board as it is now configured gus the bus which is an email if you want to email me gustabus at kleiners.org i would ask dr mccor if you could let gus the bus look into this issue i believe we were told i know we were told by ms finale it wasn't the best companies who wrote the wrong numbers it was the issue upstairs writing the wrong numbers that is recording it so we'll ask us the bus to look into that dr mccoral today yep as far as uh with the president's permission number two um what we're looking to do there it is my legal opinion has been and will be i don't care who likes it or not is that the non-public schools have a right to be paid out of not public money not of public money not local funds not public title one but have a right to be paid for the usage of their facilities that is not agreed upon by the new jersey department of ed interestingly there is an update as far as title 1 i have been informally advised they have changed that opinion and that title 1 they are now saying we can pay non-publics from their money not from public not from local funds uh we haven't gotten in writing but that's what we've been told as far as 192 we're looking for the same idea again not coming from local and not coming from public school funds so that is what it is and the amount to petition well it's first a petition to allow us to do it and then once we do it the board has instructed the appropriate employees to their credit to configure and figure out the amount needed that answers that question ms silva is in charge of that which part chapter 192. well this still was in charge of everything ultimately and um she uh what else was there he spoke to his security number he spoke to the safety officer the director who we uh the position that we did yes actually a credit to the board i might add again uh want to be different at times they have they've made this priority security they actually asked the superintendent if you were here last time i played it very bluntly we keep on hearing about future tense will not now board members remember that we were short at the next regular scheduled meeting if you recall you do tracy and others we will have a security proposal to review does this board remember that yeah we emailed you as well yes so the porch of their credit is pushing the superintendent to her affair to be fair to her it was for the next regularly scheduled meeting which when is that meeting uh sir or may on the next regular potential meeting february 24th be here we all expect to have a security proposal by dear dr silver dr mccora and whoever else is so employed okay for the chair yeah for the chair please yes i'm sorry i would like to make a few motions is this time to do it i think through the chair the appropriate mr fink has the absolute right that it remains my ruling that he has the right as any member to make motions i can just ask mr fink uh mr silver needs to leave shortly he ready has a personal commitment has done as a part of his duties to the community he has to stay a little extra can we vote on the agenda first would that affect your emotions no so could we vote on the agenda there are some changes modifications based on discussions in closed session and otherwise so mr green good luck okay okay there's a few changes uh as as was dictated in the meeting in the executive session on page one sorry step page one yeah page ah there we go page one on top okay page one number two of the business administrator recommendations we're adding to that that should the state reject payment to the district to amend the contract to allow catapult and tree of learning country of knowledge uh to acquire space independently of the board and that the board will pay those vendors so in english as though we're all aware what we're voting for should the state continue with their position we will not not challenge it but in addition we will attempt to pay the vendor to pay the schools he's done 192. yeah as long as title monday's making sure but in writing that we're allowed to pay okay okay uh the second change to the agenda is on page three at the top uh for appointments letter f1 is being removed that person is not taking the position okay as well as page three item we have an addendum we are adding i believe it was passed out to the board members yes so the miscellaneous item is employee 4353 to send that employee for two fit for duty evaluation meridian health his appointment is february 16 dr tobay psychiatrist february 22nd okay and one other item for the chair yeah through the chair page three that employee 23 53 i'd like to take off this agenda i would like to make a motion on that okay so uh let and mr fink has that right to do that if we could just um give you as when we get it give us a second just to do all the changes and then we'll get to that mr pig and there's one more a change that would be to hire as a substitute at substitute pay louis pesagnelli lli those are the changes modifications you have sir yes i want to ask the board because the ongoing issue with the rental did we cover all the things discussed in closed session which is contractual and allowed okay uh with that mr fink uh did want to address if i could they want to address that item with the employee 4353 who has been on leave with pay i believe since january 10 2011 with the board president's permission may we yes ma'am okay mr faith before i would like to amend the uh agenda for tonight uh page three item k line one employee four three five three fire him outrightly leave without pay is that i can only give you the advice as your attorney that employees who are tenured half second though out it's not even in the second year oh i'm sorry i won't get married will you consider changing that delete without pay i know i am i am looking to fire that employee outright okay that's my motion there is now a second mr president i believe mr cyrus may i give my legal opinion uh fortunately or not um there are laws that cover ten-year teachers at least until our governor gets his hands on it to his credit at this point teachers who are tenured uh to have legal protections one of them being you can't just fire them if they are tenured you need to go through the process i just want to advise you of that uh legal position okay i'm still making the motion to find the teacher leave without pay would be somewhat better again there are some legal issues with that but mr fink was asked and it's his motion so we now the questions concerning this particular motion yeah what are we exposing themselves to if we do if we do approve this motion in other words a lawsuit lawsuit by the teacher or the union or by who well i'm not here to be a prophet of doom but uh again there are 57 there are at least maybe more at this point tens of thousands of lawyers then you will be opening yourself up to a potential very potential lawsuit okay any other questions concerning this matter and now when you say call it we're calling the agenda as amended as further amended by mr fink is that right yeah yeah okay just so the people who keep the votes and everything else today so now you've been instructed to call it mr green mr fink yes mr gernhardt all right so you're voting yes except for his motion ma'am except you're standing on k1 as is your faith thank you mr seidler yes mr silver yes mr thomas yes mr slatkin yes that's fk1 uh we have we have uh we have notion passes i do again advise the board of the legal position okay are there any other motions mr fink you said you had motions well mr finger would you uh refer to the exactly yes mr um i just want to make a comment regarding what the board just voted on why would we pay a an attorney to protect us if we're not going to listen to his advice because sometimes we do what we want to do okay i want that to be on the director that's the answer so yes and sometimes it's like that okay um i would like to read and point into the record emotions i would like to take this opportunity to thank the many people who over the years have supported me and entrusted me with the awesome responsibility of being a board of education member parents children religious leaders civic leaders and countless others is with a heavy heart and much deliberation that i will be resigning from this board as a member effectively at the end of this meeting over the last eight years and ten months i have learned i've grown i have observed and more importantly i have had the honor to affect the lives of more than 2 000 children who graduated from our high school there are limited reasons that i must continue my resignation at this time but i must first speak to a few of them as i as i fought for what seemed like basic rights each year that fight seemed to have gotten harder and harder some of those rights started to become just wishes i speak about some things such as fighting the fight to not sell buildings that i thought we should continue to keep fighting not to allow buildings to be built on our properties and utilizing different uh parking utilizing our our facilities in ways that i didn't agree with fighting for staff and fighting for individuals to have jobs and and to be here and uh having said that you know i have fought various portions of the community who may have feel entitled to various different uh uh either services or programs and many times i feel as though that is some of the things that may overtake this district and then on the other hand i've had i've represented a community that on many occasions i've felt hasn't been out to support that has been minimally supportive at best and recently i can say that we've had a very supportive group in the united group um had it not been for the children's smiles and the many hugs and dreams and hopes i probably would have probably done this a long time ago these facts coupled with my current personal um responsibilities challenges as well as professional responsibilities and challenges leave me with no other recourse and to resign effectively at the end of this meeting i only ask that this board consider a few things and hear one statement hope deferred is truly not hope at all the lives of those the lives of these children and the future of lakewood is definitely in the hands of this board of education having said all of that i know that there are legal ramifications and probably um this may not be precedent but it is my desire strong desire that this board think long and hard about replacing me immediately with mr tracy tiff i think that it's imperative that this board of education have another member who has children in our public schools that can add ways and insight and information to what it is that we do when we make decisions and if it did you know since i've had to make this decision and i really don't have a choice um it is of personal reasons i really hope that this board considers not waiting to do whatever it is the status quo to have someone replace me i hope that they can act swiftly and decisively and install mr stiff tift to become a member of this board as soon as possible and thanks again to everyone who have been there over the years the children the staff the community the administration and my fellow board members thank you secretary discussions um is this decision it's final mr uh is as we've honored the wishes of many that have had to do things before that at the very least you know and you've served with me you know how passionate i am about it i would beg this board to move decisively and quickly at installing mr tiff to be here he has served with many of us he is concerned about the schools and our children and if i could it wouldn't even be a question i am begging us to act i i know they say we pop that we put it in the paper and we put the position out there but i know for a fact if we so desire we can do it and i hope that we would act in that way but as far as me what i've said is final it is with a heavy heart and uh it is what it is and i would hope that this world would recognize many of you served with me long time and something short but you know that i love i love this town i love these kids i love this school but right now some of the things that are that i have to contend with will not allow me to serve as diligently as you must serve to be a member of this board you cannot just show up here you must have the time the energy and the effort to do what it takes or you are not serving appropriately and i do not feel with what's going on i can effectively and and appropriately give this town and these children in this community what they need so i beg of this board to let mr tift become a part of this board because i really believe he can add what is needed and we won't miss a step and this board will be as strong as it's ever been and in many cases maybe even strong okay thank you there's a motion first and a second please call it as far as accepting saturday the reservation and if you want to number two would be taking mr tift as did that was that wasn't it that was not part of the motion it was part of my motion can you make a motion for that you can't make a move all right let's do this let's first uh let's all keep calm we have a new motion to accept the motion to resign please call that to accept lenny thomas's motion to resign please call that mr fink yes mr grunham yes mrs miccio i know mr thomas is going to what he wants to do but i will vote no mr ostriker i will say yes with heavy heart mr seitler yeah mr silver yes mr thomas yes mr slatkin yes the second part was to appoint former board member tracy thomas excuse me mr former well he is former now uh to appoint mr t tracy tiff former board member to serve the remainder of mr uh thomas's term which happens i believe to be up this april i'll move one second question yes i believe there's a law or something it's a policy the policy is typically we attempt to advertise oh sorry if there's a ring here before an election yes what's that i don't know the law by heart but it's a certain amount of days of election um i don't have it in front of me i didn't know this was happening but what is your concern my concern is that i think there wasn't a certain amount of periods for the election yeah that's true uh and i i'm sorry i don't know that by heart i apologize uh so would you like me to amend uh that motion in a way that gives you a chance to look into that and we could install but i really think that i've been looking for a little while and i i do believe that it's policy and not law i think that we have the power to do so um uh and at the very least to be pending increment pending the board attorney's uh review of the it was a illegal of the law we couldn't do it yes and i think that that would i would say my motion would go on but pending board attorney review of any legality that would prevent it from happening as such wait i want to first answer that so you're not going well do you accept the amendment to the motion you made provided it doesn't affect the upcoming election and is it not a violation of law i'm not sure what you're saying how how would can you amend your yes yes mr seidler yes mr silver abstain mr thomas yes mr zlatkin yes all right welcome mr tip back to the board provider provided provided that this is not a topic but which we'll know by tomorrow i still have your number yes yes i still have a couple of uh and i'm still the president yes i feel the president very well we're not gonna do that now you guys can do that the next week we will do that i'll be good until the end of this meeting yes sir mr finger i'd like to make a couple more emotions please yes i'd like to formally ask that we enforce the dress code in the middle school and the high school and all the schools i was in the school last week and i was mortified how many kids are wearing hoodies how many kids have jeans all the way down to their knees and one way or another i would like to get that motion passed tonight and of course if a kid can finish yes if a child needs to sit in attention day after day until he gets it so be it that's my motion for that my second moment that motion is one called the second of this caller i have no problem voting for to enforce the the code dress code the problem is is that and i have spoken to educators about this that we have not every reflect mr silver needs to leave at 8 30. it's now 9 10. we have nothing has left we we have not given the administration nor the the staff enough uh lack of transcription teeth to bite into what how will we punish them you're saying detention i'm not looking for excuses we have to give them a policy so we have to give them a policy what they will do there's no punishment i agree we are on board let's make a policy with people okay yes i have no problem with that and i too i think it's very i have agreed i haven't been i think opinion in my own house my own neighborhood because i agree with the uniform so so it's all the most fallen so so so provided provided that we follow through with implementing some sort of development to the board it's up to the administration to get the teachers to add the principle and to explain the new policy and how we wanted uh you know we will what is the new policy the policy you're the chair you're right they're the chair mr fink and mr ostreicher both have valid points i will quote our current president at least a few more minutes from several meetings ago the principals at all the schools have asked the administration if you recall to please present to them how they want this enforced when uh while i don't often agree with mr waters um mr waters had a whole thing about this dress code and then the board had a whole thing and bottom line is we're still sitting here in february forget us the principals in all the schools looking for direction from the administration because when we suspended too many people the thinking was well they're not in school so they're doing other things so mr fink is right the frustration of this board is very very frustrated as is the attorney who is called to meetings about dress code violation when we don't have clear directive from the assistant and superintendent so mr finn what i would ask you to consider perhaps is to direct the superintendent and the assistant superintendent to have at the next meeting the entire policy revamped and to instruct the principles as to what punishment if that's the word or consequence they should enact why because i can tell you from the middle school yeah he said fine i'm sorry yes so all agreed yeah good dr mccoy make sure it's here and make sure it's posted and make sure everything else what else mr fame this will happen at the next meeting is that correct yeah that's what we said okay well then you need to uh penalize the people who are supposed to do that sir okay i would just like to say that there have been committee meetings i have this is one issue that i have not been part of so i can't comment directly on what's been accomplished but there has been meetings regarding this great february 24th come to a head next i'd also like to pass a motion directing the administration to come up with a policy of expulsion any child carrying a weapon in school should not be in school we need to enforce this like the comments we heard today i mean it's time that this board and this administration got cut with all these children and and or the gangs that are roaming the schools and i mean the comments we've been hearing are serious comments we need to come up with the true policy one way or another to enforce uh children coming to school with drugs weapons and etc so you are asking that the superintendent respectfully mr fink has a very very valid point we have children in these schools who apparently not apparently we need to define this very so you save money so you say we do not have a policy in this district for culture that's correct and mr fink is correct the time has come right but we want to protect you legally so you don't pay me to defend you we want to have very specific criteria as to which weapon which trump that other districts have dr macora and the silver you are being ordered to come up with a plan on expulsion for the in the appropriate circumstances i would suggest you canvas other districts to see their policies and then i can look at it for legality is that what you're saying carl yes sir is there a second you don't need a motion to do that well let's get them to do it so how about that is there a second all in favor aye next you got it i'd like to make a motion to go for an rfp on the maintenance and whatever that thing is well let's go through that that's an excellent point we were told by our former business administrator at the insistence of the board and some of the newer members in an effort to demand more accountability and to save taxpayers money if possible to go out for an rfp i think our mark is i believe buildings and grounds is that right yes okay well again there's a okay an rfp uh mr green should be prepared if i understand my uh members here by february at least in rfp you're getting permission to prepare one and to have it ready at the february 24th meeting to be presented to the board to review and they want it right after that meeting to be out there in the public advertised and in two papers the star ledger and the azure part press so we can get as many qualified people there is that what you're saying yes is that what you're saying yes yeah okay there's emotion is there a second yeah yes yes okay all in favor all right okay anything else uh mr uh john thomas was the second uh there's a motion to adjourn yes seconding all in favor you can do that you can do it