From Matzah Bakery to Car Washing, with Clappy and Frank. Episode one.

Hey guys, welcome to the first episode of the Clappy and Frank show. I had to look up cuz I forgot if it's Clappy and Frank or Frank and Clappy, but I tried getting Frank and Clappy. I was vetoed by Clappy. Oh, >> so just in case you thought he was so humble, just know that he insisted Clappy and Frank, right? I was thinking more Clappy talks Frank because Frank, you know, pun intended, but we're going to go with Clappy and Frank show. >> Hey, we'll see. No, nothing's set in stone. >> I think the audience might have to take a vote on this. >> Yep. Yep. Yep. I just want to say the first time I met Clampy, I was 10 years old. I was at the Stallic House on Montgomery Street, >> 609. >> I don't know. Montgomery Street. We eating the meal there in Simire. We lived in Clappish at the time. So, uh, we eat out and like they said, "Here's our like they're showing off Clappy." I remember his glasses of these little round circles. They were showing off like in the here's our entertainment. He was 10 years old. They said, "Oh, here's our friend." Really? Look, check him out. Look how entertaining he is. >> What 30 years ago? >> It was at least 30 years ago. Yeah. >> Crazy. >> Were you the Were you the entertainer for the Stallic family then? >> I don't think so much about myself. So that's the first time I met you. I'm not sure when I met you after again. Do you remember? Was 770 probably. >> I remember when I was a teenager. I used to see you around a little bit. Very musical. I think sometimes it was flutes, violin, >> saxophone. No violin. Saxophone. >> Never violin. >> No. >> So really I got my first when I was 9 years old. I said Clappy is a star. He's the entertainment for the family. >> Were you in neighbors? Are you a little block away? >> No. Me and Beny were in CL many years. Yeah. He's Kingston in Brooklyn and I'm Kingston in Albany. We're down the block. Yeah. >> Nine years old. Nothing changed. He's still the star of the show. >> That's what you say. >> Um most of my video ex everyday people is I'm usually behind the camera. So when Clappy suggested, let's do a podcast. Let's give it a shot. Let's see how well I do in front of a camera. I don't know. But, uh, our last edgy video with the ATM machine, um, >> 18 million views, >> I think 18 million views. Some people got to know my face a little. I don't know if the right people got to know me, but it's questionable and arguable. Check out the video at X everyday people. >> You called me up a few days after posting that video, and you called me. It was less than 5 million views, actually. Maybe it was within the first 24 hours. And you said that you think you're taking down the video because you're getting a lot of uh backlash. I said, Absolutely not. We will never ever be intimidated by anybody. The Clappy Happy Show with Mishy Frank will never ever take down content because of pressure. Nobody will ever intimidate us. That's a promise to the audience right now. >> It's a tough one. But you should know most of the channel that we do, I do, we do are their first time ever being on video. So, they get a lot of backlash and feedback from their family and their buttons open, their buttons closed, >> and they call me sometimes to ask you to take down the video because they're intimidated by three people in the grocery store. Guys, never be intimidated by anybody, >> but especially not the guy bagging your grocery. No, we love everyone. Ex everyday people, but we said, let's go deep dive. Um, let's get to know each other better, more. I tilt clappy in the way here. Let's imagine we're in the back of Shaw in the bash. Obviously, >> the bash has a no talking policy. >> You do. >> Oh, the RV go will never let any talking in the shaw. >> Is it in forest or >> it's it's it's it's from the more quieter shells in Crown Heights. By the way, it's a it's a big issue because I go to the bungalow colony a lot in the summer and I'm finding myself smoozing during doining because I'm letting loose because it doesn't happen where we do all year. But it's not fair. Why should other people have to have me talk in their shell because I can't talk in my own sh. It's a little bit of a problem. So, people want to know, Clappy, what's where did you uh vent before you had uh your your videos? What was your platform? Was it just your wife and kids? I >> don't remember ever being very quiet. I was always um popular. People always sought my opinion. I sought out my opinion. And yeshiva, I was always being surrounded for all the latest hawk and hawk and kop and all the stuff. Yeshiva and out of town. I was, you know, I was always had an opinion. But um it was at a certain point in life. I don't know exactly what the aha moment was is that people are looking for a voice of authority. Now I still identify as 8 years old. Like when I see chaos going on at work or anywhere I ever am, I always think like where's the adult in the room? And I'm going to soon be 40. In another year I'm going to be 40. And it's like I think sometimes I'm going to have to be the adult in the room. So if I see an injustice happening or I see something crazy going on in the community, my natural instinct is always like, "Oh, just like ignore it. Let somebody else deal with it." But more and more I'm finding that if you get involved and you step up to the plate, you could actually be the one that changes things for the better. So constantly stuff are going down and I'm always because there's nobody else stepping up to the plate. Somebody has to say something or do something. So, I'm being I'd rather just sit on the couch, watch YouTube, need potato chips. And I'm always being pushed against the wall and saying, "If I don't do it, nobody will do it." And I think Mishi forgot to mention that I called up Mishi a couple days ago and I said, "We must do a podcast." And I'm going to tell you why. We keep going viral on this platform and on other platforms. My videos, my voice notes keep going viral. Tens of millions of views. And I'm in Israel. I'm in Chicago. I'm in California. I'm in Florida many times the last year and there's a consistent problem. People say, "Where could I watch your podcast?" I say, "I don't have a podcast." They say, "How do we find your news threads of what's going on?" And I'm like, "I don't know." It's not consistent. That means sometimes somebody stops me in the street and asks me a question and I scream and yell or I put out a video about Rabbi Zberstein's Isar Chelant or whatever and I give an opinion opinion and some website or group will like make it go viral. But I don't know when there's going to be any content. So, I'm giving back to the community. The is begging for content. So, we're going to start putting out content on a more consistent basis. It might be weekly. It might be bi-weekly. It might be monthly. We don't know yet. We're going to see where this goes. But the people are asking for more content. We're going to give them more content. >> Now, there is some history. Your mother has been voicing her opinion for how many years? 40 years in the newspapers. My mother is the founder of the repetitum in Crown Heights. So she was always busy and opinionated in a good way. She was one of the first nurses in Crown Heights before every single girl went to college. She was the first graduate nursing school. >> What about her her writing her writing in the um she's publishing a book now actually it's she's not she's going to lose money. The typical um it's going to be print on demand on Amazon. I think it's going to cost $30 and based on shipping and royal I think she says that she might be able to make a dollar on a copy. >> What's she been doing for how many years? Tell tell audience. >> She's been writing for about maybe upwards of 15 years and it's five times a year. So there's maybe 50 60 odd maybe more topics >> everything. Every single topic is she has >> you see a female version of yourself. >> I have four opinionated sisters as well. So I would say a lot of my personality comes from my father, but a lot of who I am is based on my father's opinions as well. So I think it's a good hybrid. >> My mother's been writing for gazillions of years as well. She has a psychology page first in the country and she wrote >> country magazine. Back then my kids listen to country all day, by the way. Ki and Tuki. I have a four-year-old son. >> Timeless. Timeless. >> He's always being teased that he's Tuki and not Ki. It's >> I guess we're like male versions of our mothers, huh? What do you think? >> Very possible. I did spend pes with your parents. >> Okay. >> So I I It's true. You're No, you're you're definitely you're much you remind me much more of your mother than your father. Father's very quiet. >> Am I right? Quietish. >> Our first corporate sponsor for the Clappy and Frank show. Wonderful. Wonderful CH Butcher. The most amazing butcher in Crown Heights. Amazing restaurant. They have fancy cuisine. Three Michelin star restaurants. And by the way, one of their most popular products is this delicious bill tongue. Very popular now making trends across America. >> What's the call outs? >> This is so delicious. Zero carbs, zero sugar, and loads of protein. You eat this guilt-free. You're sitting in your car. You're hungry. You don't want to You're not going to be home for an hour. You grab out a bag. Delicious. They have many flavors. No calories. I mean, there's a few calories, no sugar. >> What about refrigeration? >> Shelf stable. 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This, you know, this green county fair. And I right after the circus performance, obviously I ran over to the circus guy. I started interviewing him. You know, that's what I do. And then right behind me, my parents were interviewing the the the other person in the circus. Like, oh my gosh. >> And >> it wasn't planned. >> It was it was just, you know, nothing's planned, but I just saw that, you know, it just comes from the parents. When I hit 39, this is, you know, >> their natural instinct, their natural instinct was to interview the person and speak to them about what he does. But you have a podcast. You have a an audience to share with. They were just doing it by themselves. Yeah. >> They were interesting. They were curious. >> I've been interviewing people since I'm five, six, you know, >> with no camera and microphone. >> No camera. And it's funny that I got into this whole po podcast, sorry, content creation. I used to post these videos just on my WhatsApp status of friends and family. Then I did on LinkedIn a little bit. I was, you know, I was excited. We hit 2 million views a year on LinkedIn. I was like, "Wow." I felt like, you know, if the video doesn't hit 50 grand, 50,000 on Instagram soon 50 grand as well. So it's funny that how the way things evolve, you know, then it's also interesting that I did a tech video startup for a couple years. I lost you spent a couple hundred,000, blew blew it, gone and it was all Tinder video style platforms for job hiring and trade shows and things like that. So it was just interesting now that all my interviewing skills that I thought went to waste. >> Amen. I thought all my skills it would go nowhere and end up turning into a simple Instagram Tik Tok app. So, it's crazy how the world works. >> I find that I'm on a big journey and the journey is just beginning. I say to myself sometimes I'm getting up 5 6:00 in the morning to watch the kids, getting to work 9, finishing 6 7 in the evenings, getting home 8:00 at night, and then I'm just starting my day. People are calling me up about art, about Jade, about antiques. I'm bidding on auction today. I'm bidding on auctions for auctions that didn't even happen yet. I'm just going through hundreds of lots on what I'm bidding on, what am I not bidding on, what am I going to watch if anybody else bids on because a lot of times if somebody has if something has no bidding, you wait till the last second. Sometimes you have to right away throw in your bid because you have to there's a whole strategy on bidding at auction. >> Art and science. >> There's a lot of art and science. I'm not here to give all the secrets. But and now I'm coming out to a studio late at night to film an episode. And the point is is that I see that there's going to be a big future for Jewish podcasters, content creators. The the um the water was not nothing was scratched yet. There's so much opportunity out there and I just feel like we have to just give it our all. I think there's going to be big stuff coming up. >> Do you think the consumer electronic sales guy in behind the cubicle would become this uh this have this reach or it wasn't in the deck of cards? >> It's it's one day at a time. It's one day at a time. I never in my life woke up to become an art dealer, to be a content creator, to be an opinion. We're just following the journey that Hashem takes us on day by day. >> It's a little scary that you become the the voice of the world. What what is that? What is that like? >> You said you said earlier like >> you're in this uh you suddenly you become the voice. When you see an injustice, you call it out. And now you're in just not just two three people listening to you in school. Now you have upwards of millions of people just listening to you and taking you know your advice. >> It's very very humbling when you're at the zoo. It's not the zoo. It's a farm. Goldshine farm. What's it called? >> Great place. Goldshine farm. >> Goldshine farm. I went yesterday with the kids and seven seven eight people came over to me and asked if they could take a selfie with me. It's like where what? Like what are you doing? But I always say yeah why not? If it makes their day happy. One guy says could you say hello to my friend? I mean okay I'll say hello to your friend. You know if it's going to make somebody happy the answer is yes. But it's humbling and it's like I'm not exactly sure why they want to take the video of me. It's like it's a little bit funny but if that's what makes somebody happy 100%. But it also I feel an aas because when I see things happening right now that have to be addressed I think if I have an opportunity to reach 5 million people 6 million people 7 million people there's newspapers that their circulation is 12,000 5,000. >> The CNN ratings they get only a couple million a month. So >> I have no idea. I just I'll tell you something funny about CNN. You go you go there to >> you New York Post in the past called you for quotes. >> Many times the New York Post called me to comment on stuff. >> So it's not your first array in such a big level. >> It's like a random a random call, you know, like oh something went for auction. What do you say about this? But >> and how' they find you? >> I think you gave them my phone number a few times. >> Possible. Okay. >> It's possible. >> Yeah, it's there's other newspapers that called me as well for about the Jewish market. I don't know if they Googled me, but I see that a lot of newspapers, a lot of things like CNN today, like I'm going there less and less because they're asking you to pay money to read articles. >> Pay wall. You're not into the pay walls. >> I I subscribe to very little news media. I'm not even going to say who I pay. It's embarrassing that as a religious Jew that I pay for a certain subscription because I want to see what's going on in the world. It's disgusting. I think it's $4 a week or a month or I don't even know. Today it's very scary with Apple Pay and automatic payment things and if you could opt out, nobody ever opts out and you spend so much money on subscriptions that you'd always the gym membership. It took me not going to the gym for two or three years to cancel it. People think if you have a the gym membership card in your wallet, you probably lose a lot of weight. No, a member of a gym. >> You lose cash weight, I guess, right? >> It's ridiculous. But no, but like when CNN says to read this article, you have to become a paid subscriber for a couple of bucks. Now that's where I draw the line. It's be I think a lot of the media maybe is getting less advertisements today so they're trying to get the audiences to subscribe. I don't is it a new thing now you have to pay to read our articles on >> people have been paying for newspapers for hundreds of years >> right but once things went like digital I thought a lot of them are going to be free because they're going to get advertisements >> they got to pay the bills right so assume one day you know I think we once tried paid subscribers in the beginning it was not >> you have the advertisers are going to have to pay us when you get tens of millions of views if you want to reach your crowds you're going to but the idea of not having a lot of content for free is not really something that's up my sleeve. Everybody calls me do a Patreon, do a this, do a that. Eventually, we might do it for extra as well for like, you know, unique. But I think a good podcaster or somebody that has a lot of content should be able to produce a lot of content for the masses for free. And then the advertisers will automatically want to come to them and say, "Hey, get me on your show." But again, there's a big journey ahead, but I think that there has to be a lot of content available free to the audiences, >> especially creating so much positivity. You get great feedback. Can you tell me how many people your your video got 6 million views? >> The one on marriage advice. I think it's closer to 7 million. That's only on one platform. It's on many social media platforms. >> And what was the feedback like from strangers? >> I go around >> let's fill in people who haven't seen the video. What was the video about? >> The video is about going >> How long? Hold on. This How long after did you come out of that taxi from the airport? Did I take the video? >> It was fresh off the cuff. >> Couple minutes out of that taxi in an hour. It was within not more than two hours after I got back from the airport. Yeah. >> You met me in Eastern Parkway and you're like, "What's going on? Whatever. Where you coming from?" And I was like hyped up. I was supercharged. >> We went on vacation for 8 days >> to Israel. We had we brought no kids with us. We had full-time help come. And we were just having a great time. We were eating out all day. We were partying with friends and relatives. We were going around. We were going from one end to the other end of Israel. We had a great great great great time. And the speech was your little >> speech was everybody has to go on vacations. Everybody has to go out >> with their spouse. Drop the therapy. Stop with the nonsense. Now again, if somebody's in a terrible marriage, obviously go for therapy. If you're in an abusive marriage, weave weave. So I say leave because there's thousands and thousands of comments. Okay. Obviously. But for people that are investing tens of thousands of dollars in marriages that aren't working, it's cheaper to go out to restaurants and vacations. the the the feedback is crazy. Everywhere I go in the world, people are telling me because of you, I went on vacation. I singlehandedly brought a billion dollars with a B. A billion dollars into the traveling industry because everybody I meet tells me they went on vacation since that video. When was that video? In March. >> Yeah, something like >> March time. >> Yeah. >> Everybody I have relatives. I told you a famous story. I said this. I have a relative. She's married. She got married when I was 21. I'm turning 39. 18 years ago. She has five or six kids. Her and her husband, they had a policy or it was more his policy. They never ever ever ever go away for a night without the kids. After they watched my that video, they had the grandparents watch the kids. They went to Mexico for a week or 10 days. They said that they have a whole new appreciation for their life and their marriage. And they called me. They called me to tell this to me. But there's been hundreds of such cases. There's been a divorce recently. guy told me it was a terrible marriage from day one. There was less than a year and they decided they're going to give it one last harrah. They went on a vacation. They came back. They already weren't talking on the taxi on the way home. They're divorced. It's done. But you know what? It wasn't a waste of money because for a couple of thousand dollars, they were finally able to get the real answer. And a therapist would have dragged it on for years. >> The D word. Clap then. Now you're using the D word. >> They they they got divorced. Should I I should say they got deed. I don't know what D is. >> No, I thought it was a nice touch that video you you wouldn't say it was a it was almost sacred like you know I won't say the D word. It was very it was special though that line >> I try I try but first of all couples that get married you start off in love and everything is amazing if you have the um the notion that it's not an it's not a possibility that means you're going to go in all the way that there's not even a possibility of ever separating >> when are you quitting your 9 to5 [Laughter] you wait to get fired or are you going to say something that will get you fired or what's he gets that tip look at that >> on advice of counel [Laughter] Oh, you know, it's funny. I have not worked for someone in I don't know, crazy amount of years. Recently, um I did a consulting job for another drink brand and uh thankfully, you know, the social media stuff blew up because it was torturous. >> Do you remember we did a video? It was about 3 weeks ago. >> Not for me. I'm I'm unemployable. >> We did a video about three weeks ago on Empire. >> Yeah. >> That dark lit storefront. >> Three weeks already. Wow. >> Three weeks ago. Was it a month ago? Three weeks ago. >> Two weeks ago. >> We were talking about 9 to 5 jobs. And that people like they're not going to taste real freedom until they start making their own money on their own schedule. You saw how many negative comments came in. People that are probably 71 that were living paycheck to paycheck. Their dreams and admirations never were fulfilled. They were letting it out on us. They were like, "Not everybody's able to run a business. Do you know what health insurance cost in New York? Are you crazy?" So, >> but there's a lot of people that have a lot of negativity on people being successful in general, >> right? But, you know, entrepreneurship is not for everyone. >> Definitely not for everybody. But, >> first of all, people won't know until they try it out. >> It's eating a lot of glass, sleepless nights, not sure where your next dollar is coming from. So, it's not uh it's not all roses or at all. My brother did a video. I thought it was great, great point. He said, "You have to be driven enough and crazy enough to keep on going and not knowing where your next dollar is coming from." That's what it is. You have a 9 to5. So, you have that you have that fallback clapping. >> I think every billionaire or definitely every multi-millionaire, they all have the same story. How they had all the naysayers telling them that they're never going to be successful. You see that picture? >> Did people tell you that? >> There's a lot of negative people. >> How about you? Oh, all the time. All the time. What do they tell you? But which in which area? >> Every industry. Oh, what are you getting yourself involved in? Judeica. People tell you that the market is terrible. After 2008, there's no money. After this, after COVID, people now are, oh, people only do this. They're all doing 401ks. Why would they invest in art and Judeaica and antiques? It's all nonsense. Always n if you listen to the naysayers, you'll literally be >> the political from people. Are they from people that you want to be like or >> Well, first of all, you told me this years ago, Mosi, you said don't hang around people that bring negativity into your life. Just ignore them. It's by the way, it's very difficult because the people that are negative, they always want to like approach you and bring down the negativity with you. And you have to know how to like just say like thank you, thank you, just keep moving. You have to focus. You have to you have to there's only a certain amount of hours in the day. So when you're going to socialize with people >> hours of your life. >> Yeah. When you're going to socialize with people, it should be with successful rich people. I mean doesn't have they don't have to only be rich people. >> Positive people. >> Positive people that are going to lift you up. Optimistic people. People that support you, encouraging that believe in you. >> I just spent a shabas four days. I just spent four solid days >> in a community with a lot of lot of wealthy people. Um happy people, good people. >> They're happy and they're wealthy. Both >> mo most of them are very happy. And they're very blessed people and it it's a good feeling because they're positive and they're promoting you and they're telling you and they want to hear about what you do and these people you want to follow up with and try to sell and network with them. You know, again, we're here to volunteer and we're here to help everybody. But yeah, if you have to you have to focus your energy on being around people that are going to lift you up and believe in you, there's just not enough time in the day. >> Yep. But your show is your show that you run is very diverse, right? >> A lot of different types of people. There's no there's no age group. There's no clicks. It's everybody is just there to dive in, learn, become better, and help each other. A lot of in our a lot of >> Can you tell us your career history since you went to yeshiva? You finished, which is a Jewish college. Tell us then until now. Tell us your your your your journey. >> I would say, >> if you don't mind >> from 23 to 25, I worked in a matzah bakery. >> Doing hashka. >> Wow. Married or single? >> I was single. My wife when we were dating, she told me that the minute we get married, I can never ever in my life step foot into a matzah bakery as a mashk. I was working 12 to 14 hours a day. It was mostly overtime money cuz like after 42 hours it was like overtime and we were working 60 70 80our weeks. It was insane money for a buck. It was a lot of money. >> At that time did you think this would be your life? >> I knew it's not a hashkah is not like you know unless you own a hashkah company making millions. I knew it's definitely not for me. It's dirty. When you were sitting in the mouth, did you think >> reading reading the newspapers cover to cover? I used to cover the New York Times every single day. >> New York Times. >> The New York Times, the anti-semitic New York Times. I used to read the New York Times every single day, cover to cover with the obituaries. I knew every person that died, doctors, lawyers, which medications they invented, which blood clotting they figured out. It was crazy. And it's funny because the New York Times like a left-wing paper and then sometimes the bed at the corner ran out of the New York Times. So, I would um I would get the Wall Street Journal and it it just didn't it was more right-wing. It just it didn't do it for me. The The New York Times is a good I shouldn't say this, but it's a good it's a it's a well-written newspaper. It's actually interesting like they do fashion and tech and everything. They're just not very pro-Israel, but it's it's like there's a famous joke going on with the New York Times. A guy one time wrote to the editorial board of New York Times, "If there's one more article against Israel, I'm going to stop borrowing the paper from my friend." I used to actually I used to actually buy it. We're talking about in like um >> 225 >> 20ou 2010 I think it was like $3 already. It was it was already expensive. I think now it's five or $6. It's it's an expensive paper. >> It's funny. I had a meeting last week with a magazine sales company and he was telling me how magazines are done. Magazine is done. All print is done. And then I think earlier this what today is Monday. Last week, some famous Tik Tok lady, I'm not sure her name, just landed a job with ESPN and she already has a whole video at the New York Times. She buys it every Sunday. It makes her feel like an adult. She has like gazillion followers. I quickly send the video like, "Is print really over?" And I was telling the guy that in the Jewish religious world, we're a shabas where you can't open up your phones. Print is a booming business. >> So, I buy the Ammy magazine every week. It's an addiction. And I was actually I took it to work today because I realized I read like two pages on Jabas. I was busy but it was so expensive that I feel like I have to read it. They happen to have some really good articles. >> I think it went from like five to like $9. I think before Yumptiff it's like 13. It's expensive. They happen to have very good very good writers on in the Yami magazine. I go I read it from the back. I read the Ami magazine from the back to the front. There's like a tab guy. Not not not not the lab guy. No, this right right Mosha. Yeah, it's about the before the last page after Simpsons jewelry and the the inside cover over there. There's a guy Kamkis Rashiva in the five towns. I read him then I go to Taab and um and there's like Jewish history. They're doing a thing on Brooklyn now like and Manhattan like all the yeshivas and all. >> You read the ads or no? >> I read the I look at the ads. A lot of them are very cheesy, nerdy. I actually was thinking about doing a video about how nerdy some of the ads are. Oh, they hurt somebody's parasa. Maybe I We could do a full podcast just making fun of the ads in the Ammy magazine. There's one ad there every week. They have like a guy that doesn't look Jewish holding a twillin bag. It's like this newspaper. Instead, instead of putting a 400 pound, they have like a guy you can't see his yam, no beard, looks like an Italian sheets holding a twillin bag. That company better change their ads. Okay, I called you out already. Whoever you are, you know who you are. You just gave him all, you know, >> it's just it's so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. There's something about the Kiddish newspapers that they try to put pictures of kids and adults to look like. I don't know. We have We're going to We're going to We're going to >> I think people don't want to be like models. It's weird. It's awkward. It's, you know, doesn't fit the in the world. When I when I interview, right, they go crazy. They run away on me. >> They message me, take down the video. And and then it took me time to realize that it's like socially unacceptable to be associated with videos. >> It's totally changing. >> Like they did event in Barclay Center this year. They did not use the screens. They gave it binoculars the people to see the deis and the headstage because they refused to use like the jumbotron. >> I don't I think it's I think it's both. They have they have influencers now that go around interviewing them all day in their stores. They paid them a lot of money. I'm not going to say their names because they're soon going to be hiring me to do it. I'm saying there's guys that go around all day long see the guys >> few few and far in between. I heard recently one got delisted and >> but they're they're changing. Oh, they're going to threaten to take his kids out of the yeshiva. >> Yes, that's their leverage there. Anyway, but video obviously is very much the the the current, you know, people are, you know, >> it's not on video today. Nobody's clicking. >> No one's clicking on the magazine on Chavez to their website and buying something. So, nothing against magazines. I love the magazines, but hey guys, that's why you do video and you advertise and sponsor with us, right? >> You get us for the right price, we'll we'll advertise with you 100%. >> They'll advertise with us. >> They'll advertise with us and uh we'll give them some uh some ad, you know, we'll talk about the brand. We're going to say the truth. Even if you pay us, we're going to say the truth about your product. >> Please don't say that. >> But definitely, we try to find brands that we already use and right >> that we could. The last few advertisements, the last few advertisements I did in the last few weeks, I promoted a yeshiva >> that I really believe in. I promoted a community's real estate that I really I own in that community. Like, it doesn't get better than that. We invested, we own properties in that community. It's mostly stuff that we believe in already. So, I don't have a problem. There's so much there's so many good stores out there and so many good promotional products. there's so many good services in the community that need to be brought to people's attention that I'm happy to work with them and, you know, do it on a budget that they could afford. >> Um, yeah, that's why I I recently posted on my Instagram story. I said, "I'm addicted to promoting good people." So, I The problem is I have this little conundrum that I meet someone interesting. I'm like, could I charge him to be on my channel? Can I just put him as content? You know, so I have this back and forth. >> Should I charge him? I had this conversation with my sister that I stayed by for a few days. She's like, "How could everything be so amazing? How could everything be so good?" I said, "Chonnie, I'm staying in your house. You have the best coffee machine in the world. You have the best beds in the world. Your house is stunning. It's a gut job. You gave steaks that were like 3 in thick. The pizza on my shabas is the best. The food Sunday she made salads and omelets and cookies and donuts and bagels. It happens to be that I'm I'm affiliated with good people and good products. that most of the stuff that I have is the best. So, the companies that I buy from and the services that I pay subscriptions to are usually the best stuff, >> right? I mean, there's so many good things out there. Also, people's perspective. Some people that walk into a restaurant, everything's horrible. The service, their perspective is very, you know, negative. So, that's why they see you have a lot more positive glasses and therefore you see a lot more positivity and appreciation, you know, what you have. So, automatically that comes through. And >> I went to a burger place in Manhattan a few years ago. The food was disgusting. The staff was horrible. Everything was horrific. And I remember then there was like a big uh thing on um on Facebook like a kosher food >> group. >> Group corn bloom whatever is it? Yeah. Corn make I think it was him. So whatever. So somebody asked about that burger place. So I wrote that it's horrible and it's disgusting and like please like I'm like and then the owner wrote to me like my kids tuition. You don't care about my rent. I'm going to go bankrupt. And I I was like I felt horrific. I felt horrific. I deleted all my comments. The place went out of business pretty quickly after this >> without your comment. >> Whatever. It was like it the product spoke for itself. Of course, I never went back to there. It's like the bun was like from out of like a grocery store bag. It was like a yellow bun. It was like everything was nasty. My point is is that a lot of the times people see my social media statuses and they're like whoa. Like this is the best ice cream store. This is the best pizza shop. And I was telling my sister last night, I'm like, "Yes, the stuff that I have a negative experience, I usually just I don't want to hurt anybody. I just I don't comment on it. I don't post it. I don't talk about it." When you see me posting how something is so amazing, it's because it's something that I really appreciate and enjoy. So, it's it's 100% real. When I say something is good or a real estate broker I dealt with or a lawyer I dealt with or a doctor's office I dealt with is amazing, it's because I really did have a good experience. If somebody were to call me and ask me to take their hard-earned advertising dollars for a product that I feel is subpar, I will not take their money. >> Speaking of food, I know you spent time in Vancouver. I realize that New York City tri-state doesn't have any real super kosher deli. And my favorite corn beef was amnitkis. You remember the corn beef? >> Vaguely remember >> like melt inyou mouth corn beef. people like who are not Jewish like oh cat says like you know they the second you know >> if I could if I could eat not kosher for one day I am running to cats because they everybody says it's the best pastrami in the world and you see the way they have to train the guys for two years how to be a cutter and they put that coaw and the pickles I >> I want a good deli sandwich >> so I want to open up a kosher deli super kosher deli because now with all this big fancy stores it's like the deli section is I want people who are on >> open up a at his deli. That's that's guat kosher with the best. >> Yeah. And like people and the guy and I I was talking to a friend who's killer personality. You can check out our we created an Instagram channel called Yets's kosher food. I think Yiti said Yity I'm only going to open up the deli if you're behind the counter offering you samples to everyone and smooing with everyone. >> Yeah. Catches they hand you a piece. They hand you pieces. >> Yeah. How's your grandmother doing? How's you like back into the lower side where like where you walked into the store? It was personal. It's not just >> nothing wrong with these these entry level workers. They're doing nothing or food. >> Is that clear? They put you a self. >> There should be like food and personality is very closely related. I remember in Cincinnati there's a bagel store called Mark's Bagels. He was a Catholic guy, but it was very kosher, Jewish friendly, and he was the star of the show. And one day, oh, I'm so successful. Let me open up another one. Another another one. >> Wasn't the same. >> They all fell apart. >> He had to be there. So food and personalities and characters are so much part of the food experience. You know, it's funny as in being in the art business, I had so many art clients who are caterers and chefs and restauranters until I realized that food is a real art. A lot of artistic people, artist, yeah, artistic, sensitive, friendly, appreciated, whatever it is, are into food. >> But but I believe food >> I need a real Delhi guy. I said the guy I told him yesterday, you have to wear suspenders. We have to dress you up. You cannot go on Ozmpic. You have to be very, very fat. If you're skinny, if you're skinny, nobody's gonna want a good corn beef on rye or on club, you know, with with a with a moatza ball soup full of carbs. The Dr. Peppers with 50 grams of sugar. >> Dr. Browns, bro. >> Dr. Browns. What did I say? >> You said Dr. Pepper. >> Dr. Pepper. I like I liked Dr. Pepper. >> But have that personality and the person talking to you and and and like there like I interviewed this lady in who owns a little restaurant in upstate in Tannersville, New York. You say, "Cosure." >> Not kosher. Maggie's crooked cafe. She's a real character, but she's really in love with her food. You know what I'm saying? And the people that that experience, you come in and these guys talking to you. How's your mother? How's your grandmother? Try this new new recipe. I try. Like that is so much experience that I feel is missed today because they all the restaurants became corporate and they have a million. >> Even the restaurants in Crown Eyes, the owners are never behind the counter. It's just workers that are not even happy to be there. Most of them are miserable. They're abusive to me. Yeah, I'm telling you, I have a store on Kingston Avenue. Every time I order something, the workers scream at me. I tell the lady behind the counter how I want it made. The guy I'm watching him make it, it's always different. I scream at him, he screams at me, and then she says that I did say it, but it wasn't working cuz you know what they do at the front end and then the ticket gets into the back end. It's true. Where are the owners of the establishment? Cuz they own 40 restaurants and 25 grocery stores and they can't be everywhere. So, they leave it. If you're right, if somebody opens up a kosher deli where the owner will be behind the counter, giving every one of his customers love here, a compliment, ask them about their family. It will be the most successful deli. >> Obviously, great food. >> Let's do it already. I'm hungry. >> I'm saying great food and great personality. >> Great food, but it should be like a cat's. I want hot pastramis. I want it with co with sauerkraut with pickles with a cold hot bowl of >> There's no guy like proudly carving his meat. >> What's crazy is when I made my drink. >> What about Araven? Can we get him to do this? Bring him back from the five towns. He was behind the calendar in house. >> When I made my drink in De Moine, Iowa there Jacobson, great guy. >> Yeah. >> His brother is my sister-in-law. Yeah. But he is the most busiest rabbi I ever met in my life. He lives in middle nowhere in De Mo Iowa. But he runs a deli called Makabe Delhi. And literally that's where the assistant talks to everyone. He's their therapist. He's their rabbi. >> What's going on with the >> fill everything but he's the most b busiest rabbi in De Mo Iowa. He's busier than many rabbis I know who live in Manhattan who have a gazillion quote unquote people. He's sitting behind the counter slicing pastrami. How do you want do you want some mustard? Some this and that. Do you want a New York style? Iowa style? But the community he built around a deli, the food places, >> he had a Instagram thing where there was like a Tik Tok and he said there were lines around the block till today. >> Great guy. But the point is that I it took me real many years to realize how important and valuable the food establishment, the memories, the nostalgia, the food, the me the people behind the counter, the characters. There was once a fast food restaurant on Kingston Avenue that closed down since >> as a bench. I don't want to say the name, but they used to have a manager who's a super, you know, he's the guy with suspender. That's he actually had suspenders, funny enough. I'll tell you off camera. And I saw people come just sit and talk to him for 20 minutes. They would come to the restaurant. >> Were they buying things? >> Yeah, they're buying things. They would come and just sit and talk to him. That's all they came for. And they had to buy it. You can't just walk inside. >> And then they fired the guy for whatever reason. He's a character. And the place closed down shortly there. Should we open a deli? >> I this guy Yity, you check out his Instagram. Ys kosher food. Yits food. I forgot what it's called. He's in love with food. You could just hear the way he talks. He's sal he's a driver and a salesman for our dessert company. So he gets to really get around to all the neighborhoods and buying. He's between each stop he's buying. Tasting >> first all the rest all giving him food. He's a great guy. He's just throwing food in because they like him. And then he's buying and she's so he does great food reviews. He's always buying and traveling and you know, but he's a guy want >> he's the guy that was once discussing the the cheesecakes. >> Yes. >> Oh. >> Oh, he he was also discussing donuts once. >> Yeah. Yeah. But I'm saying someone like that brings so much appreciation and love to the food that you just you can't you know someone like that in suspense. He has to wear suspenders. That's the >> we're we're still lacking a good a good deli. I think >> remember you remember on 41st and Oak >> it rings a bell. >> Okay. It was it was it was you could buy like frozen meat and they also made meat behind the counter. I've got a few I got a few. They also had like hot dogs. They were into sausages. >> They made everything. I think I was into sausages. >> It's still I think it's still around. >> Might be. They were the Olympics was coming. So they were like a lot of traffic was blocked off in that area. They were suffering when I was there. The Winter Olympics is like two week two years away. >> So New York City needs a good deli where it's owner operated. The guy anyway just owner operated. Nothing like owner operated like you as a dealer, you know, antique dealer. You can't outsource your personality and talking to cut. You It's That's why you see all these antique antique dealers, unique, interesting people sitting in their shops dusty. >> I deal with these people. You know who you are. >> And they lock the door. They don't let customers in. They only want to like, you know, you walk these empty, they just close all day. These galleries close all day, you know. So, but that personality brings everything. It just that creates everything. So, >> it's something that's a lost what's called a lost art. Lost art. >> Lost art. People just want a franchise. >> Probably in the lower east side. There was a lot of these Ya Shimls and Gus's Pickles and a lot of these good places. Mrsky's Dairy and Wanets. There was a lot of good stuff >> and they all talk about the founder. They all talk about the guy. >> It was all about the founder. >> Was never about >> owner operator. >> Owner operator. That's you still you can still get that vibe today when they have these uh street fairs where the artists are selling their own. >> That's why people go to these street fairs. They want to meet the people. >> Exactly. >> 100%. running a gallery for so many years, people say, "Are you the artist?" And I had to say no like five trillion times. At least now with my podcast, I could say, "Yeah, it's me." My videos, "Yeah, it's me." Even though I'm often behind the camera, it's me. It's a It's my own art. >> Very interesting. Very interesting. >> But that, you know, the owner operated thing. Anyway, owner operated. What else we want to This is our first podcast. So, >> it's off the cuff. >> It's off the cuff. >> And I was at the concert Thursday night. It was amazing. Amazing concert. I'm talking about it was out. >> So if you paid like it was Yeah. I don't know where it was. Somewhere up state. I don't know. I just put it into the GPS Beth though. And >> there was about 15,000 people. >> 15 >> 155. They said they could handle like 17,000 legally, but thousands of the seats. >> You know, we miss you were talking about your career in the matri, but okay, let's get back to that. >> Get back to that. But something that was on my mind is about the concert had about 15 16,000 people. People paid a lot of money. Even to sit on the lawn was 60 bucks plus tax fees. >> You you they don't let you bring a chair. They have to rent a chair for $15. But I had a chair. My wife's birthday this week. We we sat in fancy seats. >> The cheapest I think real seat is like 160 bucks. Fancy. Whatever. >> But what really bothered me was that every single person at the concert was holding their cell phone. >> Every single person. >> Every if I'm exaggerating 90% >> filming or looking at their phones. What bothered me more than the people playing on Instagram and WhatsApp was the people that were pretending to be part of the concert by taking a video. Your stupid phone that's five years old is going to be much worse. You're going to have a much worse video than what they're already filming with million-dollar cameras. So, stop pretending that you're recording later. You paid $200 to live in the moment to enjoy the company of the or your spouse or your friend that you went with. And after a few minutes of me playing on my phone, I said, "What am I doing?" I put my phone away, but then like 20 minutes later, I saw a friend of mine who was with another friend of mine. I saw them sitting together and I wanted to do a case study. I WhatsAppapped him. I said, "Ke, I'm turn to the right." Reaches his hands, takes out his phone, he reaches right, and I waved to him. I I I did I did say hello to him. He's a good guy. I was really saying hello to him to see that even people that weren't on their phone, they weren't present. And I realized this was an eyeopening moment. People are spending hundreds of dollars because you go with two tickets and then you drive there and then you take off work and you hire a babysitter. So, it's costing you five, six, 700 dollars to be there. >> You're not living in the moment. >> You're not living in the moment. And that's when I realized that I put away my phone for the rest of the concert, maybe two and a half, three hours. And I enjoyed my spouse's company and I wasn't holding my cell phone. And the last couple of days, everybody I'm speaking to, I'm talking about how sick we all are. It's brought down. Knowing that you're sick is half the cure, which by the way, people find out that they're sick for the last three years and now they can't even cure themselves because it's the disease already spread. You should never know from it. The first thing I'm I want to tell everybody in the world >> coming from a person who makes money on social media. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to say the truth. >> So, that's an eyeopening thing that's been on my mind the last couple of days. The same way people said I had an influence on their vacation life and their life and their marriage. I want to tell the entire world, any person watching this, we are all sick and we're all addicted to the smartphone. And it is the worst thing in the world. And you're not going to be able to be cured. You cannot go to a retreat for $3,300, smoke up, and do deep breathing, and they're going to get you off your phone. That's not that's not going to work. >> You're saying we all go to dumps. >> No, I didn't say that either. I have a solution because I know if you like an if you're very addicted to something, you can't go cold turkey because then you're going to have withdrawal syndrome and you're going to get sick. What I'm advocating, let this go around the entire world. Let 7 billion people start accepting this upon themselves. What I want is that people should set aside starting from the moment you watch this video one hour a day that you turn your phone off, not airplane mode, not silent mode. You take your phone, you lock it in a cabinet or you turn it completely off if it's on a holster. >> Look in a safe box one hour a day. And it cannot be when you go to sleep. That's not counted. It has to be an hour that you would usually be using your phone or being distracted by your phone. So let's say you get home from work at 6:00. 6:03 to 7:03. The world is dead to you. You're not touching your phone. What do you say? I >> think it's a great idea. I got a lot better at I got a lot better at my detoxing on my phone. Thank God. Um >> I'm on my phone sometimes 19 hours a day. My entire business is my phone. But I have to start having more self-control. One hour a day there is. >> But it does help me, you know, it does help me lose weight. If I get dopamine from the phone, I have to eat. So it has it. >> You look at your phone or you stuff potato chips. Usually I don't. The phone is a terrible thing. I think we have to start you up at it to two hours a day, but it has to be minimum one hour and couples should choose the same hour. >> Clap, can we circle back to your your resume, your job resume? You did two hours in the mat bakery. >> Two hours. Two years. >> Two years, I'm sorry. >> Two years in the matza bakery >> and then after that, >> what was your first thing after you got married? >> Oh, and I got married. I came back from London after Pesak because we went to Israel for three weeks. We went we got married in London, went to Israel 3 weeks, came back for Pesak, came back. I had no job. Um, one of my brother-in-law's companies was moving from one fac from one warehouse to another warehouse. So, he hired me for three weeks to move all the stuff. I just I hire workers on Fort Hamilton and and bring all the boxes and load up all the 18 wheelers every day. And I did that for three weeks. And then shortly after that, I was a rebby in yeshiva um for for the summer for two months, a couple hundred dollars a week. Um and then after that, um a couple of days later, somebody called me up if I wanted to get a job at an electronics company. I've been there for about 13 years. I left once for a year. I went back there. But um and then with all that started all my side hustles. um started. >> What was your first side hustle? >> My only side hustle that I've been doing for about how long has it been? It nine years, 10 years. The only side hustle is Droim. That that's been already for a long time. Doing >> that was your first side hustle ever? >> Consistent side hustle that brought in like in the thousands was selling. >> Before that, we did like what? >> Before I did a surrog my ninth job was my really only other job. It was pretty crazy. I was there was really no extra income. So the art and Judea is literally your second high >> husle. The the art and Judea has been the most profitable thing in my life. >> That's only your second. >> It's only been it's it's only a little bit over five years. >> So when you were 10 years ago sitting at electronic store, did you imagine you thought it was a life sentence? What was your what were you thinking? Did you think >> I always thought I have to I always thought I have to find something better. >> You always I always I I I went to It's funny. I when you when you literally live paycheck to paycheck, you start thinking of ideas. You always think and think and think, but you're like, "Oh, if only I had this opportunity. If only I had that opportunity." Sometime one told me that there's no labor guy selling mats. >> So tombstones, >> tombstones. Like literally, I was like looking at the newspapers thinking of ideas and like this guy is advertising about savas. So I went to visit the guy and he the guy that one of the stores that did it, he was talking me out of it. Obviously, he didn't want competition. He's >> telling me, "You don't understand. It's thousands of dollars and there's only a few factories that make it and they get the majority." And then to pour the foundation is thousands. And in the winter, they only do it by right away. You have to pay half the year. You need to pay for special types of putty seal. And by the time it's like you're dealing with like your side, like you're like, you know, you upsell it. By the time it's you, there's already no money left. And just tell people to come to me and I'll give you a $100 per referral. And it's like I I don't like listening to naysayers, but this guy really like he gave me like two hours of his time like talking me out of getting into the business. I called up another guy that used to do it in Australia. Yeah, I told the lab guy that did it for many years in Australia who lives now in New York in California. I took him out to Mendy's. I ordered food. He didn't even want any whatever I ordered whatever to get his expertise and he was saying that in Australia he had a good gig going but in New York we moved here. He tried and he did one or two jobs and he's like it's not really it's not really cut out and it's very tough. So now that you've you've successfully executed on two side also I'm guessing when someone naysay naysayers you it's not you don't uh take it so seriously or being actually having two things on your belt that really did well. First of all, I'm immune. I'm literally immune to getting so much positive feedback and having so many clients from things I'm involved in that the naysayers. When somebody puts me down, I I feel I'm not saying this to be sarc. I literally feel bad for them because if they were successful, what they're saying, they wouldn't be they wouldn't even be saying what they're saying. It's probably coming from a an angry side of them. They're they're reflecting. I mean, they're probably jealous. I don't know. I don't think Also, if you acknowledge what I'm doing, it means you know about me. It's like it's also it's like it's like a compliment like with the way you do things like and how do you do things like you tell me how to it's like so it's fine know today I'm totally immune to criticism. Interesting. No, it's I I've been through I've tried and done many many things. I never thought content creation would uh take me to this far. I never thought of sitting in this fancy studio with a guy who works in electronic store. Yeah, I remember >> who the whole world knows and recognize and appreciate. >> Mush, you're an inspiration because I've seen you do so many things in my life. There's not a business or a service. You called me during co that you were doing car washes. >> I was doing car wash. >> You said if I promote it, you'll give me a free car wash. I I did find a pretzel in the car. I'm going to pay. >> You should know that was a crazy story was right. I was in used to be in the travel agency business. >> I remember >> and co came and killed everything. Killed all my tech startups. Killed my travel. used to get like a monthly, you know, stipen from my old partners. I said, "What am I going to do now?" And that's actually when I got a I did a I had an interview with Yoan, a big rabbi at the time who passed since and I got him to get his comments. I was just curious like like you said, like you find yourself being thought leadership like who's the leader, who has a say, what what do we do now, you know, in these crazy situations like CO and CO Live picked me up. They hired me for three months. And at this >> co very close friends of mine, great people. I spent two pesaks with them. >> And they hired me for three months. The first time I made money holding my camera up >> and >> you stopped me. You stopped me during co >> Yeah, it's true. >> I was working then remotely. And you're like, how is it? I said, I love it. I get to go buy pizza. I'm only a block away from the pizza shop. And uh I started a car cleaning business for Passover cleaning to help car and from having zero dollars able to buy my wife some jewelry before Passover was was incredible. It was humbling at first scrubbing the cars. Eventually, you know, found some younger ambitious kids who wanted to make some money. So, it was all win-win for everyone, but it was that was one of the craziest one to zeros I ever had. >> Talk about making um lemonade from lemons. I spent Chabas with a friend of mine. He's a >> Hold on. Co is when you started your your art. >> Co is when all my success happened during co bumped into you. You got me into the art business. >> Started wheeling and dealing and it's been an amazing journey since then. It was a complete You know how we met? >> I I invited to make calls. >> No, >> you could work from my gallery. >> No, no, no. The real real real story is is that after my third son was born during COVID, I couldn't work from home anymore. I was working remotely but in my house. And I was telling somebody in Shul I went to pray in the synagogue. I was telling them that this coming Monday there's no way I'm working anymore from home. I need to find an office by Hook by Crook and you over you eased dropped. You told me I have a gallery. Why don't you come check out the gallery? I put away my prayer books. I came with you. Five minutes later we were in the hardware store making copies of the front door, the back door of the gallery. And you said, you know, just hang out over here. If a customer comes, ask them to write their name. I'll be in touch with them on social media. Well, that's how >> after hanging out in the gallery for a few weeks, focusing on my regular job on my lunch breaks, I started reading the names of the artists and I started wheeling and dealing art >> and you started how did you find your first customer? >> I spoke to a friend of mine who told me this and this guy collects a certain a certain artist and the first deal was very big. It was actually funny. Everybody has a story where they sold something for a dollar and then they went to five and then 10 and then 20,000. My first deal was huge. >> How much did you make? >> I made like I cleaned like 5,500 bucks. It was like first deal ever. First deal ever. Luck. >> It was like I was like walking. By the way, that first deal like I was like literally walking around with piles of money and it was like it was like it was just such an it was what do you morphin? It was like it was >> it was just like dopamine. It was just like amazing. Like you're making a couple of dollars an hour and it's all of a sudden you're walking around with wads of cash like wads like wads drug dealer wads. You're walking around like wads of cash. You're like looking around like when's the next wire coming in? You know, it's like it's crazy. I had a crazy story actually. At one time, somebody told me about a certain painting they owned and they're like I'm like, "How much is it?" And I'm back and forth discussing for weeks. They're like $10,000, whatever. So, I'm on this phone I'm on the phone with a friend of mine, very very very wealthy individual. I'm talking about mega mega rich. But I never had anything to sell him. It was like what are we smoozed about? Nothing. I never really had the goods or the merchandise. So I'm talking to him and I'm telling him like in the middle of the conversation I'm like maybe he would buy this painting that this guy showed me and it's like I'm harassing him and he's like talking he's like what's the latest hawk? What's this? Did you see this news that news? Trump talk whatever. And then in the middle of the conversation I said oh my god did you want did you see that painting I posted? He's like I don't know what you're talking about. I was like I got to show you this painting. And he just wanted to continue talking about it whatever it was. I'm like look at your phone. Look at your phone. I think like how am I going to pay my rent this month? I'm like look at your phone. He looks at the He looks at his I'm visualizing him. He's in another state. He looking at his phone for a few seconds and he says, "Yeah, I do like it." And he screams his wife's name. You like it? She says, "Yeah." And by the way, finding it's very hard to sell art because you need to get the husband's approval, the wife's approval, the interior designer. Usually things in the middle. Usually by the time it gets to the designer, they already know somebody else they want to kick back from. It's deal over. I have relatives that are interior designers. I hate I I love them. I hate interior designers. They ruin all my deals. >> It's like lawyers kill the deal. It's like for no reason. Interior designers, if somebody, if the client asks you about a painting, you love it. Okay. Okay. Anyways, so anyways, he looks at the phone and he tells me, "Yeah, I'll take it. Talk to me. Talk to my secretary in the office tomorrow." And he continues the conversation like it never happened. And I'm like, "Oh my god." Like, "Oh, this is like crazy money, whatever." And it's like the next day I was like intimidated to make money. It's like people that you don't when you don't make money, you're like intimidated to make money. >> Scary to ask. messaged a guy and I'm like oh about that. He's like oh yeah just send I don't know Christine whatever like send her the wiring information. I was like to look up what wiring information even means like I was like whatever my point is is that people have to go out of themselves and like hustle and make money. We spoke about this at length. People anybody could do it. There's no tricks. >> As funny as it sounds there's still I have a fear every time I interview a stranger there's always that how they gonna respond. You know, I I have that anxiety every time. That's also the thrill. I get like a high off the anxiety like how are they going to answer? Are they going to punch me in the face? Are they going to slam me? >> You remember with the donut guy? You made a massive short stop at Montgomery and kicked in and you ran out because there was a guy delivering donuts. It's a great interview. >> Oh, you were in the car with me. >> Yeah, I was in the car with you. I watched the car. You don't get towed. You came back with a donut on a whole wheat bread. >> I think he sold you a donut. >> That video did really well. >> He did while selling you a box of donuts. Oh, video did really well. Yeah, that was funny. I saw you like in live like you you see an opportunity and you just break the car and run. You have to. >> Yes. >> By the way, I can't plan I can't plan a topic or a rant or a clappy Instagram thing and it has to come natural. You cannot plan. I Nothing I ever do is planned. It's all off the cuff. >> Follow your heart. >> It's funny. I recently lost like 50 pounds and people ask >> I think I gained half of them. was Empeg GP. Unfortunately, I lost weight at the time where everyone's just the needle, which is great. It's helping a lot of people. But the funny thing is, I went out, I, you know, I have my drink brand. And I went outside. I saw the sign. It said Lifetime Cafe. And uh I walked inside. Oh, Lifetime Cafe. Maybe they want to buy my drink. It looked very fancy. I walked inside this brand new gym, beautiful basketball court. Wow, this place is so beautiful. and I just signed up and uh a year you a year ago I'm 50 pounds down >> but it came from it came from me jumping trying to sell this lifetime cafe which ended up being a corporate train of like 400 gyms so not been s I I did not >> not yet >> yeah not I didn't get s I did not sell them but they sold me but I did anyway so it's just a fight talking of just running up and trying to sell so selling got me into different interesting situations including need losing weight. >> It's my next big journey. I want to lose a lot of weight. Something I've been battling for many, many, many, many years. I was, no, my whole life. I've been battling weight my whole entire life. I remember in seventh grade, I was so embarrassed. I had this huge double chin. I was like husky. No, the clo no clothing fit me. But, um, by the way, people should stop fat shaming. There's nothing wrong with somebody being extremely obese. I mean, again, it's going to catch up with them and it's health. It's But the person that's obese should own it. Like, walk around, get out, don't be embarrassed. Go buy clothing that fits you. Feel comfortable. Again, everybody should be skinny, not skinny. Everybody should be healthy and and eat nutritious and be health. Exactly. But people that are heavy, like myself included, or people that are battling weight, own it. By the way, there is a huge issue and this is famous. I know a lot of people that were three, 400 lb, they were the ball at a party. They were exciting. They were happy. They were jolly. They lost tons of weight. They walk around mopey, bony, their chin is like prickly, like they their feet look like chicken caparas feet. I I think that a lot of people with their weight, they lose all their personality and who they are. They walk around with it's it's it's >> So what are you saying? >> What I'm saying is is that it has to get done in a very natural way. >> In a bad mood, they're always hungry. So >> that's what Ellie wanted to food makes me say, be careful the skinny people. They look great, but they're always angry cuz they're always hungry. Food definitely makes me happy. Um, but I I agree. >> That's the cool thing that I learned going to the gym is you could get real dopamine just, you know, going on the treadmill, you know, doing the stair master, playing basketball. These things create real longasting. >> Going to the gym. Going to the gym because treadmills in your house are just to hang shirts. I've never seen anybody use a treadmill. Somebody said they're going to buy a treadmill. I say, "You don't have a coat rack." Like, why are you getting a treadmill? Treadmills are the biggest dumps. Every time I see a treadmill, I see eight suits hanging on it. >> Once you get into that rhythm and the habit, it just becomes barm. Thank God become part of my life. And I feel great. I I only did it just to feel good. After playing basketball a few times in lifetime, the feeling and the high and the healthy and you just it's incredible. So, I don't want to >> I want to start going to the gym. But it's you it turns into enjoyment especially today with Instagram, Tik Tok, you just go on the thing just you could scroll and be burning calories and just doing great things for yourself. So I actually never I'm not the preacher. I leave that up to you Clappy. But like I was telling some friend of mine, cousin of mine today said I try to teach through through videos, you know, showing people what I believe in and the video hopefully teaches. But now in a podcast I have to talk and I have to talk I have to think I have to see what I think also. So it's a new it's a new vertical for me. You have you know but it's yeah it's been a great interesting journey >> 100%. Yeah. >> So what's with the name? Are we going to keep keep it or >> I think we're going to put we're going to put a vote if it should be Clappy >> should be Frank and Clappy or Clappy and Frank whatever. >> I think it's Clappy. >> My agent said it should really be called Frank and Clappy. So I have to consult. It's not a law firm. It's not a law firm and we don't give legal advice, but I think it should be Clappy Talks Frank. >> I think we just we should fight it for Anyway, signing off here. We're at the BK Media studio. Check them out. Really nice people. >> Beautiful place. >> They booked us a last minute. You know, I was expecting to come to some studio in like a basement somewhere, some dingy basement, you know, said Greenpoint, some fancy green. >> Very impressive. real storefront. 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