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the holes in high school. The sea split.
Really? Yeah. Really? I was the man.
Wow. Yeah. You don't miss it. I still am
the man.
I love this. I really say this and
again, don't take this the wrong way,
any viewer, but I was to go off. I
was If you don't believe in
God, why why are you doing everything?
So, good morning, Ahri. I get to have
Shabas. Yeah, it's a pleasure. Thank you
so much for having me on the podcast.
Big fan of the
podcast and uh No, I watch I watch the
podcast and um it's a very big to
finally be here. Um I was born and
raised in Jerusalem matas gazint and um
my mama my mother
uh they were studying they were learning
in yeshiva init my father was a
balcha he was he was learning in yeshiva
isa in the old city um and my
mother throughout her whole journey as
well she ended up again it's not not not
now it's I don't have the time to go
into their stories but how she ended up
in Israel as well studying becoming abus
she was learning in IAT and ne the Asia
affiliates you know the women's
programs
and they were studying there they had me
I was thear and we were born in Israel
was
born we lived there for approximately a
year and a
half and then you know the ishim uh our
cousin started acting up a little bit
and uh your father freaked out freaked
out freaked said it's time to move back
to America. Wow. And my father grew up
in Boston. My mother grew up in Los
Angeles, you know, affluent, wellto-do.
So anyh business was uh let's go
already. And uh they went back to my
they they settled in my they found a
place in Muny. And and let's just you
know fast forward the first eight years
of my life regular normal shall we say
two parent household a younger brother a
younger sister my father calls our
family sheish light shivish cow what
does that
mean you know American American sports
sporting games have a good time it's a
normal American lifestyle that's the way
I grew up until I was
And then when I was eight, the Bakar, we
found out that my mother was diagnosed
with yan. Wow.
Who was the one who told you?
That's a great question. I don't
remember. Probably probably my dad.
Probably my father. You remember the day
the where you were? No, I don't
remember. But I I remember I was I
remember I was eight. I know I was
eight. Did it mean anything to you at
the time? For sure. Definitely not.
Okay, good. But I tell you what what did
mean something to me
that throughout as we'll discuss the two
years of treatments that my mother went
through my father was very of course
understandably so busy with her going to
different
places over the next two years. My
mother received treatments in New York,
California,
Mexico and he was with her.
So who was at
all? Good
question. And to tell you the truth, not
not not only not not only were was was
the parents not at home, but us the
kids, we traveled around to different
places, meaning different houses,
different people, the community in the
extended Muny community where we grew
up. They took us in and we're kifa this
family, TFA that family and people were
incredibly nice to us. They they showed
us a lot of passion, compassion,
support, care.
Um, you know, I'll just digress for a
moment. I remember my father told me and
he's told me many times before. He
said, he
said, Hashem gave us this na this
challenge, this matzah of, you know,
mommy being
sick and I have to do everything I can
in my living
power is to take care of her, to be
there for her, support her. If Hashem
decides something, if Hashem decides to
take
her, then I can live with myself as long
as I've done everything I possibly can.
I have to leave it all on the
table. And that's what my father did.
And so therefore, we understood and we
went to different places and we went
through the process. And fast forwarding
two years, we were 10. I was 10, my
brother was eight, my sister was four.
And we were in Los Angeles at the time
because my mother was there in the
hospital there. and
mozz 15 years
ago. My mother passed
away again. I'm 10 years old now. So
when she passed away, you know, it
didn't really mean so much. Well, who
told you? I remember we were sitting in
my grandmother's den and I think there
was an incredible Yid who was like a a
big brother kind of guy for us who flew
out with us to Los Angeles.
I think if I remember correctly, he came
with pizza. We knew something was going
on. I I knew something was going on. And
he told us my mother passed
away. Again, a kid's 10 years old. This
might you can't really can't really be
our brains aren't are incapable are able
to be toy such a such a such an idea.
But we found that she passed away and
people I remember were flying in our
manal from yeshiva yeshiva katana here
in my flew out to Los Angeles
different one of the one of the one of
my fathers ra and the community flew out
to join us for the for the
laa was in Los Angeles you remember it I
remember
she's buried in Los Angeles she's buried
in Los Angeles because my mother grew up
in Los Angeles and my you know my baba
lives there she live in be well and uh
so my my mother's you
as he looked in Los Angeles. She's
buried in Los Angeles. And remember that
you know we had the Levia.
When were you there last time? Los
Angeles. Yeah. My mama. Yeah.
Last Pis.
Yeah. So when I was in high school
again, jumping a little bit. I used to
go out, you know, four or five times a
year to Los Angeles to, you know, we'll
get into the story. Used to play.
Whatever. We'll get there. But um but
now you know now we live in and go
usually yearly you know pes time. So
anything you remember from the Levia or
from the sh I remember we sat where the
room was set up is you know you have the
the
coffin you know this is actually the
first time you know I've said my story
in the past but this is the first time
speaking in such great detail about you
know things like lava and things like
that. So um should be for my mom's.
And so we sat
there. We sat there. I remember the my
mother was laying the coffin was on top
of like a little uh
stage. People were getting up giving
speeches and there was a crowd. people
who came to beak mobile came
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to and the members of the family who sat
on the side like a side um in that same
room but like on the side to be able to
watch maybe had some privacy over
there. That's pretty much all I
remember. Wow. But yet I have that
image stays with me. And of course,
every time I go back to the cemetery, I
see where my mother's
buried and it's there and her tombstone.
You have conversations with her when you
go. I definitely try to connect to her
light, to her energy, to who she
was. Again, it's a clue that she passed
when I was 10. It's it's it's a
blessing. The fact that, you know, I
don't remember so much, but that same
blessing is also a is also a
curse. So, I don't have so many
memories. fond or not fond I don't have
so many memories so we had a little
shiva in Los Angeles then I remember we
came back to my father was sitting shiv
again 10 years old my brother eight
sister's four we don't know what's
flying this guy do food you know we're I
remember we we were in the bedroom and
people were coming to me on my father
and that process is actually just I'm
thinking about it now it's just a great
it was just a billable
confusion and I would say from 10 to 13
14 the next three four years of my
That's when the confusion started. I had
a lot of pent up aggression inside of
me. Confusion, anger. Again, 11, 12. So
your brain is there, but it's not fully
there, right? So you feel, but you don't
really feel. Of course, every every
every stage in one's life, a person
feels differently, but you know, you
feel something to feel something's off.
There'd be mother son events that
Yeshiva would put on, and I wouldn't go
and I couldn't
go. per P
perhaps another mother would offer to
take me but it wasn't wasn't wasn't
right my mother's not here like a mother
son Khan
event well you know I don't have a my
mother's not
here people in the community were very
nice to us there's a certain family
we're not going to mention their name
but they they they they what I remember
they they paid for us to go out to
dinner every Sunday night wow
brought kabas not an organization just
family family that that felt you didn't
need. And so before I jumped after my
mitzvah, you didn't after my my my
mitzvah years. I remember when I was in
I was in school, you know, elementary
school, I think seventh, eighth grade,
and I was once playing. So now So now is
actually a great segue. So what what
what distracted me from my pain, from my
confusion, you know, I'm seeing
therapists. I'm seeing a lot of what's
there for me? What I need I need
something to grab on to? Even this whole
concept of off the derek is not really,
you know, kids kids 12 years old.
Doesn't really start 12 years old. So he
hasn't. So Hashem gave me a tremendous
co of playing basketball.
You see for the next hour we're going to
discuss basketball. Basketball was a
tremendous part of my life. How did you
figure it out? From the time I was three
I've been playing basketball. Uhhuh. My
father bought a little uh Nerf hoop.
It's called a you know plastic thing for
the kids. Yeah.
And we're playing basketball. Nerf hoop.
That's a new word. Nerf. Nerf. You know
it's like a Nerf. Whatever it's called.
Nerf. It's a little fish Fisher Price.
You know, you can look it up. Yeah. And
we just started playing basketball cuz
my father, he'd play basketball growing
up. I was tall
developing my athletic abilities and I
said, "Okay, I like this game
basketball." My father grew up, you
know, he would show us highlights, you
know, videos of players watching. And
it's an important point to discuss for a
moment when there's pain in life. So, we
live in a generation, obviously, we'll
get to this, you know, where people, you
know, they escape to social media or
substance abuse or god forbid things
that are worse than that. person has to
look to to put to put the pain
somewhere. Yeah. Like an outlet. An
outlet. So basketball was my outlet. So
one day I'm playing basketball and I'm
playing, you know, kids are playing and
I say and I'm a good kid. I'm a good
basketball player. That's what I'm I'm a
great basketball player already at the
stage. Seventh grade I'm playing
basketball and I'm playing with a kid
and I I you know I was getting a very
aggressive angry not really knowing
where it's coming from and I don't know
how to place it, how to channel it. So
I'm playing basketball and I tell the
kid, you know, I probably missed a shot.
Missed a shot. I said I'm going to kill
you. just I I was probably upset at the
kid. Maybe he pushed me or something.
I'm gonna kill you. So by us that's like
a normal thing you say. You tell the guy
I'm gonna kill you. You know it's a
normal thing. I'll kill you. Like as
like his friends. He took it seriously.
Oh wow. He thought I was going to kill
him. Oh wow. So he went to the man and
he said look proctor says he's going to
kill me. Oh my gosh. He's going to kill
me. Now the man took me into his office
sat me down. The manal was
uh you should live and be well. And to
those viewers who know of uh or like
basketball into basketball, who know
there was something called Malice at the
Palace. You can look it up. Malice at
the Palace, which was when the two
basketball teams were playing against
each other. This was I think the early
2000s where the players got so heated
that the game went into the stands and
they started, you know, and fans started
throwing beers and food at the players
and they started punching it. It was
much a crazy brawl. And so this manal
showed me a clip of this brawl of this
fight. Wow. Oh, probably to calm me
down, to give me a little a little smile
and say it's okay. But probably trying
to, you know, to to get that point
inside me, you know, that I'm feeling
aggression. I'm feeling it's like you
have a place for it. Like it's real.
It's okay. I understand it. I feel you.
Right. Today I get today everything is
you feel me, bro? You feel me? Feel you
feel me? Just when I was in fifth grade,
fifth grade. So my mother was sick still
sick at the time. I was very good at
basketball. I told myself, I said, "I'm
done playing with fifth graders. Only
playing with eighth graders. Better
competition." Wow. I'm not such a good
basketball player, you know, sixth,
seventh, eighth grade. And again, trying
to make the best of a life, you know,
that's to that, you know, without a
mother. To my father's credit, my
father has given gives and will continue
to give until his very last breath. May
he live and be well, his entire self to
his three
children. I can do I can sit here with
an entire
podcast just on the goal of my father
which is why I invited him down here
today to to to be here with us. Wow.
He gave his entire self for the
family. And so we felt that. So we had
we had that stability. We had a father
who played to the best of his ability
two roles. Father role, mother
role with unconditional love.
Unconditional love. Oh, Rabbi Yakob just
remind me how by my bar mitzvah and I'm
already starting to, you know, be
wishy-washy with this Yiddish guy kind
of thing because again, my mother's not
here. Don't have her anymore. and you
know my father's doing the best that he
can and so wanted to say uh to
say and and he reminded me how I told
him I said you know rabbi you can speak
but speak about sports that's what you
told I told I said you can speak I'll
let you I'll let you speak you have to
have speak about sports who was a family
friend was there and he was laughing and
laughing and but I was just I was just a
real already at that age I had something
very deep in my heart that needed to be
channeled, that needed to be let out,
yet of course didn't know how to let it
out. Didn't know how to bring it out
into LaMisa. So now it's time again, I'm
leaving 8th grade. Where do you send a
kid who's going through I don't know if
the word is trauma, but going through
such a life experience that it's not a
normal thing for to go through at such a
young age, at least who has so much
anger, who doesn't know what to do with
himself, who loves basketball. So again,
we grew up normal yeshivish light my
can't really send a kid to a normal myy
you know white shirt black hat not down
for this stuff where do you put a kid
who doesn't believe in God what age do
you say to yourself I don't believe
anymore again it's it's not an active
it's not it's not a real
no I don't believe in God it's just it's
just I don't care it blends into you it
blends in it blends in and it's and it's
I don't care it's not a topic for you
not a topic again and and if it is a
topic It's like this. It's like a It's a
double whammy. It's not a topic for me.
I don't care. And if I should care and
you tell me there is a
God, I'm upset at him. He took away my
mother. So I want nothing to do with
him. Wow. So that happens to a lot of
kids. a lot of kids that well
today again I don't want to get too
sidetracked but the whole Indian of of
off the der or on their dak is 30 years
ago and my father can be may to this
when people were becoming bala or they
went off to come back it was a real they
were care or they tried to understand
and then and I don't believe anymore it
was a decision a decision w with logic
with brain power with intellect with I
don't believe today. It's gone. Gone.
Emotions only. Everything is emotions.
Everything is a is is a 3-second video
clip, a Tik Tok this, a swipe here, a
swipe there, a quick snap, a quick
there's it's it's all the heart. I say
we say all the time and we
say you have to know and then return
that knowledge, bring it down to your
heart. Right? But I tell the kids, you
know,
now we'll get
into the place where my father went and
you'll see soon that I went to assh in
the old city
in I I tell the guys it's it's almost
has to be today. There has to be you
have to get to the kid's heart. Get to
the kid's heart. And now and now he sees
you feel me, bro. You feel me? Right? Do
you feel you know what I'm going
through? Now, now his brain is is
willing to be to ponder that there's a
higher power, a higher existence. Wow.
Okay, we'll get into that. Fine. So, now
now, now, now it's time. So, again, what
do you do with a kid who doesn't believe
in God? Not wearing white shirt, not
wearing a black hat. Not down for this.
So, the whole Indian of modern
orthodoxy again putting all preconceived
notions that you may have aside. We
ain't no pre we didn't know what it was.
So Rabbi
Horowitz the of of our yeshiva whenever
there was a new yeshiva put on the table
for kids to to to you know potentially
one of his students to go
into our manal which would go speak to
the rashiva to feel out get it to get it
get a touch that's how much he cares
about each uh we don't have that in our
programs the rasha technically has
nothing to do with the book if he
doesn't do any trouble there's no reason
for
He has too many is like a I'm sorry to
say that's it's it's not it is yeah
straight up let's be real yeah it's it's
part of the thing it's it's it's not
it's not planning to change even it's
not personal nothing which is why what
people say today is even if you have a
you very important to have
an to have a someone who's who's
tangible you can reach personal who can
you know get you you know
Fine. So, Rabbi Harowitz again there was
a person so modern orthodoxy in my
especially 30 years you know 10 15 years
it wasn't a Zach nobody really knew
about it so there was a student from our
went to yeshiva that was and who was
looking into
moder. So he checked out he was looking
into a few schools. One school he was
checking into was TABC which stands for
Torah Academy of Bergen County. Okay. in
Tene New
Jersey. So Harwitz went to meet the
rashiva. Wow. Now listen to this. Rabbah
always says like this whenever he meets
a new rash he has a list of questions he
asks him to feel him out. See what see
what she is about. One question he
always asks the
is what do you do if doesn't want to
that's what he asked that that's what he
that's one of his questions he always
asks the rasha of the new
yeshiva now he said like most say
heist he doesn't want to speak to god no
not ana
and everything's and in his brain is
thinking, "Uhuh, this guy doesn't get it
right. He doesn't understand." He went
to Rabbi Adler, Rabbi Ysef Adler, who
was the Rashiva of TBC at the time, and
he said, "Rabbi Adler," he sat down with
him. Again, this was a year or two prior
to I was looking into because the kid
was looking into it. He said, "What do
you do if a kid doesn't want a Dovan?"
You know what he answered? What did he
answer?
Why would he want a din? Wow. Why would
he want a diamond? He has everything
already about it. Yeah, he has the kid
has everything already. He has his
vacations. He has his technology. He has
his sports. He has his luxury car,
luxury house. Why would he want a Dobin?
Harwoods stood up, went around the table
and gave him a hug. He said, "This guy
gets it." That why would a kid want a
davin? Now, we knew that orz told that
to my father and we looked into this
yeshiva TABC and we got accepted to
TABC. Wow.
How far is it from your house? T say
about is in Tene about 30 minutes. 30 35
minutes depending on uh if I'm driving
or my father's driving the kids uh we
used to a big difference. A big
difference. No, not a big difference. A
few minutes, seven minute
difference. My brother, you know, it's
uh that was a running joke. Avi my yeah
Avi you know we'll speak at Avi later
but you know to my father's credit he's
very you know he's what you know he grew
up he grew up secular but but you know a
yucky in in in in all in all one of the
straightest people I know straightest a
good friend of mine we just drove from
Monty you know to Brooklyn and yeah I I
doubt he went over 66 once you know so
we got accepted to ABC culture
shock yet we needed it it was a life
culture shock because we weren't used to
it. It was too modern for you. No, it
wasn't too mo again at that point I was
already sliding off. It was a positive
culture shock and we needed it and it
was a lifesaver. You should live and be
well. It was his first year if I
remember correctly in ABC and he came
with this mindset and this vibe that I'm
going to give you unconditional love.
I'm going to be his project and he's
going to be there for me. Why did I
choose this high school? Well, Rabbi
Honik, the Honik family, his mother also
worked in the admissions department. And
as well, they had a real basketball
team. What's my real basketball team?
So, you guys, you see me today, the
longer eco and the long beard, right?
Maybe we'll flash over here on the
picture, you know, some screens, the
picture of a my beard was not like this
coming into high school. My beard right
here was up here and it was going like
this. I remember. You remember? I
remember. It was nice. I was a handsome
kid. I remember this.
I remember seeing you I was a handsome
kid at 7-Eleven parking lot. You and Avi
with this beard over here. I don't know
what what is the official name. It's a
chup. It's a it's a nice hairstyle. It
was nice in in Hebrew they call it
kotim. Kotim thorns. Yeah. What do they
call it here? A chup. That's it. No, it
was standing. It was like was gel. Yeah.
No, it was gel. It was nice.
You keep saying it was nice. It's funny
to me to hear. No, it was nice. And then
you had this mug and do it necklace. Oh,
yeah. And I was already holding it as
soon then if I was holding you already.
But I think you still didn't have the
keepa. Oh, really? And you were telling
me talking to me about book and you were
giving it to me. This this beautiful 12
must have been 12th grade. So and I'm
looking at you. I look like this and
you're telling me about Amuna. I was so
embarrassed. Bet. I don't think I was
ready then. And you gave it to me with
such passion. You even had the the
ribbons already. What the You'll tell me
about it. Yeah. Yeah. The wristbands.
Wow. Was so so Yeah. So that beard was
up. Yeah. So So okay. So that was that
that's 12th grade. But ninth So ninth
grade I come to TABC
and again modern Orthodoxy those who
don't know is is is they try to have a
balance like half day and half day and
then you have extracurricular
activities. We have basketball and
people want to if they want to wrestle,
if they want to do science clubs and
robotic clubs. So, of course, I'm on the
basketball team. We had tryyous first
night or one of the first nights of
school and again ninth grader making the
team with older kids is Wow. And I
wanted to play is none of this playing
basketball. You know,
whenever if I see a kid playing
basketball with like black pants and a
white shirt,
it's not going to work. He's not really
into it.
He has to save it. But he has no choice.
But I who had a choice who was was
developing my own path and it's I'm
playing I'm playing real the short
shorts and the jerseys and you know the
nice sneakers and the custommade
sneakers and the whole
So we come to TBC and I remember we at
triyouts the first night and we come
out. I come out of the the gym and the
coach says to me he says again my name
is Mosha. I used to go by Mo. Mo it's
cooler Mo. He said, "Mo,
congratulations. You made the
team. But if I say
jump, your one response is how high,
coach. How high?" Okay? Meaning, you you
better be locked in. You want to play
and you want playing time. You want to
be a you want to be a player on this
team, not just someone sitting, right?
Those who don't know, there's a team.
You have five players that could
represent your team on the court at
every moment. Each team has a
combination has like nine, 10, 11, 12
players. You have to have substitutes,
bench players, people that you're on the
team in case of injuries. So each you
have a choice. You can either be a great
a better player and you can play or you
can be a player and sit on the bench.
I'm not sitting on the bench. I'm I'm a
play. I play. I play. So I'm a cabo. He
says jump. How I'm on the
team. Now those TABC is in Tene, New
Jersey. Those who have been to Tene,
it's situated around a lot of
restaurants. many restaurants, delicious
restaurants.
Douggee and Sammy's Bagels and Pizza
Places and this and that. And TBC, they
don't even offer a lunch program really.
So, you have to go out. You have to go
out. You go out. Despite being the cool
kid and developing my own
path, I never, and this is important to
emphasize for those of the viewers, I
never got
involved in smoking, drinking, or drugs.
How come? To my father's credit, my
father gave us unconditional love and he
said, "Mo mush, I understand you're
going through what you're going through
spiritually, but I want you to be a good
kid. Stay away from drinking, smoking,
drugs." And you know what? And of
course, we'll speak about this
throughout the podcast, but it was it
was and and I give all the credit, of
course, to Hashem. And yes, my father
till this day, he gives the credit to
Hashem, to my mother's us that she daved
D for
us. But my father gave us unconditional
love. Hugs and kisses. Just hugs and
kisses. Hugs and
kisses. Excuse
me. So much so that just fast forward,
you know, now, you know, I've been
married for for for a couple years now.
I'm a young kid. I'm 26, but you know,
been there for a few years now. one what
you know on the whatever the bash show
whatever when I the time when I went out
with my rebbitson with my wife I wanted
to make it more interesting you know get
into again because again I come from a
more you know modern background more
this but as you see now I became a
little more high so I wanted to figure
you know I wanted I wanted to I wanted
the date the the the meaning to have
substance so I know there was a game
there's a game called the dating game if
you've seen the so it's like a go
version they made a yisha version with
questions questions simple medium hard
level questions to get to know the
spouse, the person you're going out with
to see, you know, simple question is, do
you like water or soda? Okay. Or, you
know, out of Shabas, you only have time
to do one. Clean the floors or take a
shower. Which one do you do? Uhhuh. To
get to feel them out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So, I you know, I went out with my wife
in in I was there as a and I couldn't I
I wanted to find this game. I wanted to
play the game with her. I couldn't find
the game. So, I said, I'm going to make
the questions. Make my own questions. I
sat down just wrote down 100 questions.
Oh, wow. The reason I'm saying this now
is because one of the questions was hugs
and kisses for the children not
needed. Nice thing, but can go without
or it's a must.
You wanted her to say I must. I not
Well, for sure, but but I'm tell if she
didn't say it's a must, I'm not sure
we'd be married today. And I've told her
that. Wow.
That's so ingrained in my
DNA that a father and a mother hugs and
kisses and loves their children. Of
course, every parent loves their child.
But but that that just phys again, you
know, there's five love languages, five
languages of love. My father just gave
us this unconditional love, hugs and
kisses. She passed the test. She passed
the test. Wow. Buddha. Amazing. Yeah.
It's a good lesson for some parents that
think that the kids can go without it.
No, kids need it. Especially in today's
door. Especially and I think everyone
knows that today. But it's a knowing is
not enough.
There was the famous story with the
Balatania. He said he's building a
bridge. Oh, you don't know about this?
Tell I think so, but tell me. I think
this is the way it goes. If not, they'll
fix me in the comments. It says uh I
think he was in prison and uh he said
I'm a bridge builder. He he asked him,
"What are you doing now?" Like uh what
are you busy with? You're sitting all
day in a room.
the Warren, what do you call that?
Warden. The
warden um asked him, "What are you doing
now?" So he said, "I'm building a
bridge." You're building a bridge.
You're sitting. He says, "I'm busy
building a bridge from here to here."
And they say it's the farthest distance,
you know, it's like Yeah. Yeah. It's the
farthest distance, right? He has to go
around the world and come back. That's
right. So we have a journey of going
around the world and coming back. You're
telling yours. Everybody has one. That's
right. Everybody has a journey. So my
hope is the viewers will be able to find
you know a piece of themselves
throughout this journey as I'm finding
myself and I'm in high school get ninth
tth grade and and you know having a good
time into ball receiving a lot of
unconditional love from my father which
kept which kept me grounded and station
right you asked me about drugs drinking
smoking drugs nothing nothing which
which is which is which for some people
in the belt is if a guy gets involved in
that stuff he's already you know and and
more and that he's already got in the
mandes belt especially today it's it's a
normal it's a normal thing wow kids
getting drinking especially on chab even
on chop nothing nothing
other kids in your class yeah partying
so you didn't feel like an outsider no
because why because because I was such a
good basketball
player do this if if a great
rashba if he walks into a room he could
care less what's going a little what's
going because he knows
Editz. He's the guy. He's the man. I
When I walked in, I like to joke. When I
was when I was in high school, when I
walked through the through the the halls
in high school, the sea split. Really?
Yeah. Really? I was the man. 4 seconds
to go. Proctor. 3 2 1. It's gone. He
ties the game. Are you kidding me?
Overtime. He throws up a prayer and it's
answered. Wow. Yeah. You don't miss it?
I still am the man.
I love this. All the self-confidence I
don't have, this guy has right here. I I
really say this. I really say this. And
again, don't take this the wrong way,
any viewer, but I was to go off. I
was I was And I've had people in the
past tell me, "Do you have
been?" And you'll see throughout, you
know, we'll get to it later on in these,
but but in the podcast, but I was to go
off. I was when I say off again because
if you don't believe in
God why why are you doing everything so
again at this point watch the end of the
podcast feel it out hear it out but I
was not going to go off in terms of I
don't care I don't believe in God he
took he takes away my mother you know
again I told you this if there's I don't
believe if there's a god he took away my
mother I took some my mitzvah I'm not
ashamed I took my bar mitzvah money and
I spent a lot of money and I bought a
70in flat screen TV and I had it mounted
on the wall in my
room. I was because I was watching if
I'm not playing ball I'm watching ball
I'm watching sports. Wow. watching
sports 9th 10th grade people would would
today some kids would think that this is
it'd be lying to say it's not
enjoyable yet we'll see it was enjoyable
but but it was very very superficial
enjoyment that didn't bring to any
longlasting feelings of closeness or or
or satisfaction growth satisfaction to
anything January 15th 2015 I'm sitting
in my grandmother's jacuzzi in Los
Angeles and I pull down on my stomach my
love handles. It's called your those who
know about fitness is called your love
handles. Okay. This the you know the
part of your stomach you know the you
know the part of your stomach that it's
rolls. That's right. The the part that
shouldn't be there that's there and
you're grabbing yourself. And I said to
myself I said Mo again again again I'm
I'm in Shashem and I was a little bit
you know it's a little bit chubby a
little bit doughy. And I said you're Mo
you're killing yourself. I'm drinking
soda and slurpee. I was drinking a lot
of soda and slurpee. You're killing
yourself. I said it was January 15th,
2015. 10 years ago plus. I said, I'm
cutting soda. No more soda. No more
slurpie. Done. And at the best of my
knowledge, you know, out of 10 years
later, I haven't touched soda. Uh, you
know, sugar soda. Why this decision?
Because I said 10th because ninth grade
I was the newbie, the new guy on the
team. Said 10th grade, the second year,
16 years old, it's my team. I'm the
Spitz. I'm the main player and I I want
to I want to be the I want to be a great
basketball player. And you can't be
killing yourself. You know, you're
drinking. You ever pour soda on a car?
Coke. You ever pour Coca-Cola on a car?
You know what it does? It rusts. Look at
the car. It rusts. I would say like
this. I said, "My body's a Lamborghini."
Wow. My body's a Lambo. I don't I'm not
sure. My body's a Lambo. My body's a
Lambo. They used to call me Lambo Mo.
Lambo Mo. Really? That's right. My
body's a Lambo. If you put regular unled
fuel or diesel fuel in your Lamborghini,
it's not going to run. Wow. Premium
unled fuel. So you realize this in the
jacuzzi? The amus? No, I wouldn't say
so. But the whole just my body's a
Lambo. And so and so at that point in
ninth grade, I started taking nutrition
and health more seriously. Wow. 10th
grade. Okay. So now let's fast forward
because we have along 10th grade. So I'm
the star of the team and I'm playing
very well. One day I'm with my father.
It's one Sunday and I get a text. We
have the Jewish Olympics. It's called
the Makabi Games. Makabia. Makabi games
in Israel. It's in Israel, but it's also
it's called a pan they have a
paname which is takes place in North and
South America. So that year, I think it
was 2015 and we I was selected amongst
one of the 10 best Jewish 16-year-olds
in America for basketball. Pan-American
mccabi games were set to take place 2015
2015 in the country of Chile, Santiago,
Chile. Why do they go to Chile?
Because every four years, just like the
real Olympics, it takes place one year
in Greece and then in China and then in,
you know, Los Angeles, whoever wins. No.
Well, again, the the best players in
each and every sport represent their
country in the Olympics. Gotcha. So I
was selected amongst the Jews amongst
Jewish people to represent the Jewish
people of the United States of America.
Wow. In Santiago, Chile in Chile. Kids
said we went down there, won a gold
medal. My the whole family went with
you. No, just my father. My father
credit came. He wanted to be part of the
experience. He came. That experience
really summed up my high school. Really
just summed up my my whole years over
there because of just a father who
raised money to come down. Rabbiat to
raise money as well. He raised money I
think you know to come down to be there
with his son to experience this moment
of playing in the Jewish Olympics. Wow.
And you know of just this unconditional
love from my father. So that was
incredibly special. You know even though
my father filmed all the videos he
filmed the filmed the games on his
flight back to United States. Somebody
swiped somebody stole the memory chip of
the credit card. So we don't have the
games. Wow. Perhaps if you you you know
the gun of the thief if you're watching
this please return it. Wow. Can you
reach out to Ari Kimitz and uh please?
Yeah. But uh so so we don't have the
actual clips but my father came and he
took he had a tripod and he filmed uh he
filmed all the games. A great
experience. We down there for I think a
week or something. So first we went to
Miami to train as a team together
because it's players from all around the
country and then went to Chile to play
Santiago Chile. Want to go medal. Okay.
So now again that's 11th grade. You
still have the gold medal. N 10th 11.
Send me a picture of it. Bleed bleed
ninth 10th 11th grade
balling great 11th grade really again
ball and again at this point again
people are thinking about college I'm
think okay babe I'm I'm good and I have
private trainers playing in different
besides my TEBC league I'm playing you
know in other other forms and I'm I'm
really training a lot and getting you
know watching nutrition I'm weighing out
my chicken counting calories of other
wow go big or go home my body's a Lambo
Ari told you. Wow. I told you my body's
a Lambo. I still don't expect you to
talk like this. This is My body's a
Lambo. Oh my god. My body's a Lambo.
Okay. My body's a Lambo. So
So you'll see a story. I'll tell you a
story about a Lambo about what? So 11th
grade again, basketball team. Now, now
it's time for 11th grade. This summer
between 11th and 12th grade, my brother
and I and a few of us ever, we were
going to go to a a basketball camp. a
basketball camp that's a quasi modern
Orthodox and it's a very intense
basketball camp. How much better can you
get? Like you keep say always always
like train all day.
That is crazy.
The same way a person can always get
better in
Yeah, but I can't see a game getting
even better. Even better, even better.
You know why? Because you haven't played
the game.
That's true. But a baller knows. Wow.
Basketball player, you know, it's all
about the shot. I'll tell you when we
get we get when we get to your father.
But
uh so get to the Arouch book at some
point. Yeah. Okay. We're about to get
there. That's 12th grade. We're almost
there. So So now So we go to this
basketball game at the end of 11th grade
and it's a very intense experience. It's
the first first time in my life I'm
really forced to play basketball and I'm
not enjoying it. Oh, wasn't enjoying it.
It was very It was almost traumatic. How
come? He was just it was it was just a
different vi I can't even explain it was
just very forceful too demanding too
demanding it wasn't wasn't look I I
played basketball was because I enjoyed
it right because I'm great at it because
I love it and what happened and he's now
he's forcing us to play it was it was an
int like a boot camp it was a basketball
boot camp wow and I wasn't down for it
I'm I'm not enjoying it so I took a pen
and I wrote on my hand do more of what
makes you happy how did you come up with
this
how' I come up with writing in my and a
quote the quote I probably heard it
somebody I probably heard it somewhere
probably heard it somewhere always
looking for for
quotes even back then do more of what
makes you happy basketball's not making
me happy I said I'm I'm leaving the
gymnasium I'm leaving I'm leaving it for
a little bit I'm going to the gym to
start lifting weights after winning a
gold medal
everything I said I said this is it's
too much and just to fast forward a
second I think you know I confirmed with
my father on the way up here that I
broke my ankle playing
basketball in 11th grade. So I so it was
it was it was Shvas
time 11th grade before the summer. So I
said to myself, I have two choices.
Either I can let myself get fat and out
of shape or I'm going start taking
nutrition seriously and get in the best
shape of my life. I took the second the
second the second path and I got in very
good shape. again. So I started looking
into nutrition and thing but but what
what it was it was a bro in disguise
that it opened up a pesak for me an
opening but there's more to life than
basketball that's it mean it could be
could be the t of could be the goal of
life is to lift weights but but there's
something perhaps besides basketball in
life just to ponder just to appreciate
that so much so I come back to high
school 12th grade I almost don't want to
play in the basketball team anymore I
love basketball but but I had such a bad
experience which we actually left the
camp early on visiting day my father
took was home because we weren't
enjoying it. But I almost I almost
didn't want to play senior year, but
they said 12th grade, Mo, you're the
best. You're the best player. You got to
play kids. So, I played one practice. It
was a It was a night, you know, before
games you have practice. I have a
practice and we're playing and we're
running plays. Those who know
basketball, you work on plays. Where do
you run? Where do you stand? And I mess
up the play. In practice, a normal thing
you mess up. Our coach, his name is
Coach Oz. I messed up a play and I was
upset at myself. He said,
"Mo, don't worry, bro. I got you. You do
me up." He said, "We're
good." And I said,
"Wow." You know what hit me right there?
I made my first calvimemer, my first
cohicane. I didn't know what I was doing
at the time, but I said, I said, "Wow,
if this flesh and blood is a person,
right?" He said, "He has me. He's got my
back. I don't have to
worry." I said, "Us teenagers, what are
we worried about?"
again acne tests girls
sport said how much more so the creator
of the world has my back he's there for
me I wouldn't say Hashem Hashem is to or
the I would say the source the source of
all which of course we know is the of
the is the foundational point of
everything but I didn't know at the time
but I said how much more so he has me
he's got my back and so we you know we
wear in the in my Orthodox circles, you
know, we used to wear wristbands and it
created
wristbands that said
GGM, which stood
for God's got me. He's got me. Like you
say, your friend, I got you, bro. I got
you. God has me. I remember you giving
me one of those. Did you wear it? Yes.
Where is it? Well, I'm too hassidish to
wear it all the time. Excuses. You're
You're not wearing it. But But one
second. How do you after being upset at
God so many years now going to this?
Great question. So, so I mentioned Rabbi
Horn in the beginning, Rabig and other
influential people that were close to
our family. They gave me different books
called it but but you know I read Garden
of Amuna Marouch
Living Amuna.
Why do you want to read? Because look
because because again I told you I was
in high school. I'm balling out having a
great time.
But I said, but again, but especially
with that took place at the end of high
school, at the end of 11th grade, I
said, "Basketball's fun, but there has
to be more to life." What's more to life
than
ball? Don't know. But it can't be ball.
Basketball's fun. Can't be the goal of
life, though. So, when is the first time
you So, watch. So, I'm in So, I'm in
high school and again, we're just all
family over here, you know, like we Ari
and I do the MDY together. Shout out to
Abelli. Yes. No. uh join makers today.
Actually, what's going to come out after
Makistan?
Whatever. So, people gave me different
books, these amuna books and and I want
more. I want more. I want I used to wake
up on Sunday mornings. I'm not wearing
filling. I'm not deting. There was a
person on TV, a
preacher, non different
religion, preaching about how much God
loves
you. And it helped me to Yiddish. Wow.
That I needed somebody to tell me that
that that God loves me. And that's what
I found in these books that Hashem loves
me. Ah, why did he take away my mother
when she was 40? I was 10. Why? I don't
know. But that's why he's infinite. And
thank God the creator of the world's IQ
level is higher than Mosha and Proctors.
You know why? Cuz Ari, because if God's
IQ level is limited to my IQ, we're in
trouble. We are. We're in
trouble. He's above me. He's there for
me. He loves me. He cares about me. So,
I created these wristbands. GGM. God's
got me. We made it in all the different
yeshivist colors, all the team colors.
We sold and we we sold the money. We
donated the money to Gman. Wow.
How did you find out about him? Uh, one
of the in TABC. He was uh he he was very
makisha to to him over there. I'm still
having trouble understanding how do you
go from being upset at God to reading
books about him. It's a whole 9 10th 11
12th was this whole journey. It's a
journey that I I wasn't
happy. If you ask a kid who's off the
derek if he's happy if you really if you
feel if you get into his heart he'll
tell you no. But you were the guy the
the the whole way split. I was still am
and the guy. It's not enough. But but
that's uh it does. It's outside. It's
it's not in your It's not It's not in
your kishkas. Internally, you're still
empty. Internally empty and lost. Mhm.
Lost. And why would you consider reading
the book in the first place? Because
because I'm because I'm a real person.
I'm real. So you want the same That's
right. In the same way I'm open to to
viewing a you know a TV channel to get
really from a higher power I'm open to
reading something. See that's what I'm
looking because there's a lot of that
are sitting there and are upset at God
maybe for losing their mom or for other
things. There's several ideas la and
that first step of opening that first
book and so I'll I'll tell that I'll
tell that
can I look at the camera? Sure. Do your
thing.
Wherever you find
yourself, whatever you're going through,
recognize God is there for you. Hashem
loves you, cares about you. So you don't
understand and you have many questions.
We all have questions, right? The lady
famous we're heading to P now and he
said he
said four questions. I have a million
questions. You know what? There's only
one answer that he created me and he
loves me and he cares about you. He
loves you. And whether your father tells
you he loves you or not, know that your
father in heaven loves
you. And whatever you're going
through is for a specific purpose and
reason for
you. Which is why somebody once said we
say the right tomorrow is gami gam toba.
At one say what's gami toba? Just say
zil to say this is for good. Why gum?
What's gam? Gam means also this pain.
Also this pain that you're experiencing
right
now. It's pain. It's not positive. I
feel it's pain to it's for good. Wow.
It's for your positive. It's for your
benefit. So I was and I was and I I was
open to this and and Rabbi Hene again to
his credit he said to me like I was
angry in high school. I missed a shot. I
let out four-letter words and they
weren't thank you Hashem. You know
think Hashem is only whatever. And he
said you know and he four-letter words
and he said to me he said Mo if you
don't work in your if you don't work on
your anger now your marriage is going to
be terrible. That's what Rabbi Honik
said irrespective of
Yiddishkite becoming a mench becoming a
ye becoming a person. Wow. And before
before I jump out of high school now
another experience again I'm I'm a cool
kid. Mo Proctor listening you know big
spiked up hair listening to non-Jewish
music not even the Jewish music today
that's quasi not the mom is the worst of
the worst. And uh Rabbi Hornik one day
in school in class they have we have a
smartboard right to those who know a
smart a smartboard is like it's like a
whiteboard you know but it's it's
electric you know today the has that
it's like a project you can play videos
and things on it so he plays a song from
Jakobi I know that and I'm in the back
of the classroom cool guy tough guy and
I start
crying I cry first time in how
that I'm crying or listening to music
crying that I don't know but based on
your story probably from the LA the last
time since LA could be no but I'll tell
you I'll tell you but I was a tough kid
but I but but I was but but I was a
timistic kid. Mhm.
Then my father would tuck me in bed
every night if I you know watch videos
of of military people coming home to
after to see their children after years.
I I ball I cry I I had a soft heart.
What happened by this niggan? So I go to
my reb I go to reborn after said why did
I cry? I'm listening to go music. Why am
I crying by this? I know but he said
that's your soul crying now. That's
your that's your soul. You have that
soul. It's in you. you can run away from
it, but it but but it's
there and it's it's it's a yearning for
for something deeper and more. So, I
took that with me and and I I just I
went past it. I ignored it. But now it's
like this now. So, now it's the 12th
grade. I get this GGM and I'm putting
out these bracelets and I'm getting
inspired and kids, you know, in the
Shabbat before they go to college, they
go to Gapier. It's called Gapier.
Where do you go to Gap Gapier? So
there's like you know just like you
know kids go to the or this
brisk certain places mon orthodox kids
have like call it 20 or so gap year
places which are monthodox kids and they
and they feed into yeshiva university or
other you know secular
colleges and so after a little pushing
from some of the rabbim in in TBC was
decided I'm going to go to ash just like
my father went to a is not just for bali
shiva they have they have a program for
modern Orthodox kids. At the end of the
day, it's the same thing. They're going
to teach the same thing. Yeah, but it's
but but it's a different vibe. You got
to do it because it's very different
actually. Why? Because Shiva doesn't
even know Mi and you know that that
that's but that's more that's more
superficial.
The reality is about Shiva, someone who
really wants to become a Biva is coming
in open recognizing he knows nothing and
he wants to learn. The madna who's
coming in is coming to chill. Angry.
Have a good time. Not so angry.
Apathetic. Lack of caring. He doesn't
care. He's coming to chill, have a good
time, have a good time this year, have a
time away from his parents. The drinking
age is 18 in Israel, you know,
and then go go on with life in college,
you know, make his money. So I So I so I
it was decided I'm going to go to Gash.
I'm coming to As is their program called
is called As Gasher. Who is in charge of
this program? Shout out to Rabbi David
Rossman. Rabbi Rosman, Rabbi Rossman
is phenomenal person. I owe a lot of my
my to him. But now, but now's when now's
when the fun start. So I come I come to
Israel and I come I'm coming already
inspired. These a lot of that come over
the first month, two, three, not only
they're not inspired, they barely show
up. They're in they're in the streets in
Yafu and they go to Tel Aviv and
different, you know, because they just
want to explore. They want to run. The
third day after landing from the United
States, I remember they asked they asked
the kids to speak, asked the students to
speak. I got up before Ma one day and
they said those who know right across
from the hotel from the and I said,
"Y'all got to be
serious. You want to build a bush across
the street? Got to lock in now. Don't
waste your
year." You know, like a three minute
hype up speech and looking at me that
this kid fell from
Mars. This brother fell from Mars. How
many kids are in this program? At the
time it was like 50 60 guys. Wow. And
now it's now it's much bigger. And you
don't know mo most of them. I I They
were new kids. I was just meeting them.
But again, I'm the man. I like speaking,
right? I was the captain, the head of my
basketball team. Wow. Before the games,
I would hype everybody up. Wow. My my my
father would would have us public speak,
you know, public speaking training when
we were young. Really? He'd take us up
to the Beimma in a shield when it was
empty. I'm going to have to speak.
Really? That's right. And it's
Wow. It helped a lot. I should take my
kids to me. That's why you got to speak.
So my first year I get I get to Asia and
they offer different subjects in class
again. All all but
it's missing. I'm not into this stuff
rightfully so because I'm just learning
about God. I'm just going to make now.
So there was one who gave the Tanya at
that time. I didn't know. So I knew the
Rebi was Hale. The Rebi, this Reb's name
was
really shout out to Moshid. So he gave
in Kabir is like a small a group. Yeah,
a group. How many? 10 10 or so guys.
Okay. And he gave it it was a short 30
minutes, an hour, but it was but it was
it was the first time that that I'm
really hearing and learning that there's
a God who loves me and I
have I have a piece of I am a piece of
God. Wow. And Hashem wants to be in a
relationship with me and that's and this
leads you know because I get you know
people when they come to yeshiva they
have to go to different experience they
go different different seedas for shabas
right so my
father's thanks someone you know pretty
well
he was uh check out what a episode one
yes of's
father so
you know the famous story how your
father got hooked to my father from when
he met him that first question he asked
older in a question what's the biggest
need what's yeah what's the most
important year so everybody gave him
what's the most important thing
everybody gave him a whole my father
said a listening ear a listening ear and
that was the click and this is your
father pulling up with the he pulled up
with the big fur hat and the the tall
white socks and he's like I've seen a
lot of things before I never seen this
in my life you know and so so so right
so you started going shopping to my
father my mother to your family. You you
weren't there at the time. I was I was
here already, but everyone but other
most of your family was still there.
Yeah. And and so I used to write I used
to go to bells for for for the a even
back in the day. You you still looking
like a
I sat in the
shield. They knew where I would sit. You
didn't look like this. No, I had a nice
uh probably a nice jacket probably at
the time. I had a nice blazer. You had a
nice ch.
Wow. And you're walking. No. I'll tell
you. So my first day I get to As and I
had my American hair dryer. Of course I
brought a haird dryer. Got to look good.
And before that actually quick 12th
grade even when I started getting
stronger in Yiddish kite. I only put on
my shell yad not my shell ro really like
chilling on my arm not my head. Why? Try
again. Oh because the I don't want to.
That's right. I don't want to mess up
the hair. So the decision to put on the
decision to put on thrillin was done.
Okay. I want to be close to God, but
hey, don't overdo it.
Yeah. I never saw that before. Wow. How
long? How long? Probably went on for a
few weeks. I mean, because first in the
beginning, first the first year of high
school, I didn't even go to I didn't go
to Ding. I went to the gym to play ball.
Then they said I have to play ball. I'm
going to have to go to I have to go to
Dining. When do you decide that? Why?
No, they said I have to. Oh, if if not
they're going to take me off the team or
you know. So once you start threatening
basketball uh that's something
don't touch my basketball and there you
put on ready shellad. So then 12th kid I
put on shellad after maybe I put on but
mostly shad also you know can can the
camera get a shot? I want I want to can
I stand up camera? Sure. Um he's not
going to see you when you stand up. He
can pick up the camera. Whatever. It's
okay. But I I stood there. So I so I I
wasn't interested in domining for especi
you know a lot of until like the middle
of 12th grade. So I stood by the window
wearing my shell yad and I did calf
raises. There was no c I just lift up my
to strengthen the calf muscle which you
stand on your and it helps with the jump
to jump higher because when you're a
basketball player right we'll show a
clip or two of you know of the dunking
of you know playing ball. So it helps
the jump. I was able to touch my peak 11
ft. Wow. I'm 6' three. How that means to
be able to touch 11 ft jump and I'll fly
running towards the jump. That's right.
You'll see. Okay. 11 ft. That's a lot.
That that that was my tip. Able to touch
and you know the the rim the hoop is 10
ft tall. So I get, you know, my elbow
with the ball above the rim and be able
to throw it down. That's it. Very
impressive. Wow. Not too many Jewish
people can do that. So your title is the
best Jewish basketball. No. So now the
kidic basketball. Oh, so now my t my
title is if you look, you know there's
different title the kidic Jordan. Okay.
Or the kid Cooper. Okay. Different
clips. We can show different things.
Wow. But um so no, so I get to Asia. I
put I plug in my hair dryer that I
used and like almost like electrocuted
the socket. Like it almost shocked the
socket. It shot it. So I took it as a
sign from God. Relax on your hair dryer
really. And from so I started I got a
little haircut a little bit. Still had a
nice ch but you know more within
balance. So my first year I start
getting into this into Tanya and I'm
going to bells for Shabusim by your
father just seeing this experience and
and
wow. Wow. Now remember, I'm a kid who
has a lot of at that time, it's not so
much aggression anymore, but it's
passion. All that passion that I put
into
basketball and health, right? When I was
in that camp for a few weeks before my
father took us out, I remember a kid
came over to me and said, "Mo, you want
a sour stick?" Right? Which kid doesn't
want a sour stick? He said,
"Yeah." Took the sour stick and I
chucked it. Get that garbage out of
here. My body's a Lamborghini. Wow. I
don't put that garbage in my body. So, I
have all this
passion and I said, "Let me just apply
it to Judaism to Yiddish. Let me learn
more about it." It's a BM. By the way,
the Bashm says that the same fire that
you have for Tyus, that exact same fire,
it's not that's you should choke it.
Don't choke it. Take that fire, put it
into Yiddish and Dining and learning. So
that's that's a very clever decision. So
so I took this but so my first
year I was getting into this but not
really
into and it's just weird stuff and you
know Hashem loves me he cares about me
re really the foundational points and if
you ask me honestly now I think I did it
correctly. What was in yesterday's
yes Hashem wants your heart. God wants
your heart. Yeah. So I get to high
school and there was I remember the the
Bel was making a So I went to the I
think it was also Shabas was it was no I
went to the fiel you know the shabas
before the was the was one of the nights
of the week and it was such an
experience. I see 20 or 20, you know,
was at the time when they made it in the
in the 10,000 whatever 10,000, you know,
people with these fur hats and these
tall socks and just, you know, the long
coats and they're jumping up and
down. And I remember I got a text from
one from one of
the he said, "Uh, going to is not a to
night." Really? That's what he texted
me. So, so, so I smiled to myself and I
said this, he doesn't know what's going
he doesn't know anything
about he was missing out. So towards the
end of this first year, I mean I'm I'm
slow into breast of kazak and this
learning about my and different things
like this and I wanted to go to Oman
forash. Okay, beginning of So I decided,
okay, I'm going to come I'm going to
stay a second year, right? I'm not going
to go back to college yet because I want
to stay a second year in Israel. I I
have to figure I'm figuring myself out.
How can I leave now? You felt there's
still more to do. Yeah, I have to figure
myself out. What do you look like at
that point? You'll put a picture. You'll
put a picture. Okay, very good. And and
you didn't go to Oman. Oh, so the let
make a long story. The Manal calls me in
the summer. It was actually a pivotal
conversation because he said to me,
whatever he explained to me, I don't
want you go to Oman. And I'll tell you
this, he said, I'll never forget this.
He said to me, he said, and he said,
Rabbi Rossman, shout out to Rabbi
Rossman. He said to me like this. He
said, I it was the first time in a while
in our where I really heard these words
so clearly. He said, I believe in your
ability to become big in Toryra more
than you believe in yourself. I've heard
that all the time in basketball. you're
going to be a great player or I believe
in you this I believe in your ability in
to become a now now he said I don't I
don't want you going out so much at
night all these this is again he meant
well and he and he's a we're very close
to he's my boss till this day you know
we're
close but I said to him I said I'll
never forget this I said you should be
happy I'm going to places and not going
out to Yafo by night right and he paused
we're on the phone and he said I can't
believe you just said that You and Yafo
have no sh have no relationship at all.
That's like David Rossman and Yafo. We
have no relationship. You have no
relationship with Yafo. Wow. You're much
greater than that. Don't go to um stay
with us. He inspired me. Second year now
again because I wanted to get into gam
and the second year because I wanted to
have the balance. My second year I went
complete opposite extreme. I went from
first year having I shaved off a lot of
my hair big pious shash
okay
to became very misnagish
litfish lit not just litish everything
was like it was like what we the kids
called it the OD was just o litfish
odh everything lit you know where shil
sh it was a question if I can drink
water if shy it was just wow everything
was just it was it was extreme and
you're not going extreme Well, you're
not going to occasionally still going
for but you
know and I'm not interested in this
anymore. But the credit I really got
into Gamura
and one day this Rabbi Eid was walking
by where I was learning and I started
crying. I I opened up to him. I said, "I
have such a desire to go back to your to
your yet I'm worried if I go back, I'm
going to drop the gamur
and but my needs it needs
it." So I slowly slowly but surely go
back to and I and I say I have to stay a
third year in because I have to balance
out. How do you have the brains to think
about, okay, I need to balance this out?
I I had I had guides. I had your father
who was a guide who was my Rebby till
this day. He talks a lot about balance.
That's that's his that's his word. Wow.
And we're called, you know, the goal of
life. We get the goal of life is just
before, you know, just in case we forget
is to build a positive and mutual
relationship with the creator of the
world. Yeah. I'm sure you've heard that
one before, huh?
I hear it. Positive daily. Almost daily.
Yeah. So I either heard a daily or say a
daily or you know it's all about balance
we'll get to so I was extreme. So I said
I got to stay a third year. I have to
balance out again. This is this is
almost unheard of. Kids stay one year
max two years. They go back to college.
They start their lives. My father to his
credit who who who who was
entirely his entire 248 limbs 365 senus
were there for us emotionally,
physically, mentally, emotionally and
the little bit of finances that he had
gave it all to us. And he said, "My son
and my son's future with Avi, my brother
and my sister. They need this time in
yeshiva. I'm going to speak about
myself. He needs this time. He's finding
himself. Let him stay. Make it happen."
And he made it happen. And he has
infinite from that. And so I stay. So
you're saying third year I'm going to
find the balance between and lit. That's
right. Be able to find the balance. Be
able to, you know, have gimm be, you
know, but have as well. So 30 was a was
a was a great year in a b finding
myself. Now it's time to leave a take
the next step. At this point um I'm I'm
say 20 21 years
old and uh it was said I'm going to go
to
Moshiva just a mile or two down the
road. Now Moshiva it's massive right? 10
2000 thousand people there. You're
already firm enough for this from a firm
enough. Yeah. Not only am I firm enough,
but but but but I'm so strong in wanting
the truth that that just all the waves
and distractions that could be in such a
big place are not going to affect me.
Wow. And and just opposite that this big
place is going to give me the space to
find myself again. I'm going to Yeshiva
card, short jacket, bend down, right? I
came into a none of that throughout a
short jacket, bend down, white shirts,
right? again and and
because I told you I was so passionate.
So even my first year in a wearing you
know people wear colored shirts and polo
shirts and I wanted to put on a white
shirt already. I remember said Rabid
said was my rabbi in she said no my
church I said yes no slowly there was a
sports day playing sports I said I'm not
going I want I think it was my first
year in first year or second year
supposed to play playing sports it was
my whole life I'm not going I'm not
going I don't want to play I'm going to
go to the mirror to learn that day said
you're coming to his to his genius he
said you have to come play and I went
and I played I said okay but if I'm
coming I'm wearing a white shirt and I
came with a white shirt and I played but
but they there's a concept called
flipping out. Yeah. Right. So I like now
I don't like this. I don't like the word
flip out. I say flip in. You got to
flip. You got to find yourself. But with
kids that are growing
that you have to be balanced.
Yeah. You grab a little you keep
grabbing. So they balanced me. They help
me. I was ready for a time to go to Mir.
You visited a lot of
the a lot of the movements. So at so at
the time again I was going a lot to
bells because I was coming to the
kwinses going guys for for Shabas. Uh at
that point at that point no it's really
just bells really bells a little bit of
you know breast of Marouch in the first
year or two. Oh yeah was really it was
really it was really just was coming to
bells besides the blea wedding. What was
your most ah experience that you like a
bigish like a wow I want to be part of
this by that point by the time I'm
getting and I'm going to meet yes Shiva
the most inspiring moment was that bel
when I'm s look look I'll tell this let
me I'll speak it out I'm witnessing 10
1500 yidden jumping up and
down who are trying to open up their
hearts to use music and connection to
God just just
Right.
Ninom 50b in
track says the first story is from the
top
says Jonah the
whale was a simple Jew who was one time
and he was
bye and he heard the music and he got
into a tremendous of and from that he
was
wow
Jonah so I see this experience and I
said look I've been to stadium games in
my life. Many basketball games, football
games, baseball baseball stadiums, and
you have you you have thousands of
people screaming for what? So,
basketball's fun, right? You know, I
love basketball. I'm a baller. But what
are they screaming for? As soon you're
48 minutes, the basketball game is 48
minutes long. When it's finished, it's
over. Did the game have any any effect
on the world? No. People bet, they win
money, lose money, but is there any any
positive effect on the world? No. Any in
something bigger than themselves?
No, I said you have 10 15,000 people in
such a a monster for holiness, for
spirituality. Wow. I got to get a part
of that.
So again, it it was I was far away from
it. But but but to have such an
experience was was was pivotal in
guiding me and helping me, you know, as
I head into Mam. So I'm heading to
Moshiva and those who know Basis, you
have a lot of things happening over
there. For better or for worse, you have
a lot of things going on there. Aad
shout out to the bas. So another another
few feet past bakery is pinsky. Okay.
Right. Pinsk
no. He scream. They scream by diving.
They
scream and and I and and I start diving
over there. Glazer. Shout out. Yeah.
Possibly you. We love him. He was almost
here but maybe in the future. out the
show. So, so, so, wow, this is ding.
This is how you ding.
This is how you ding. I started
experiencing ding over there. I hear But
there's somebody called Zilber. What?
And I go for, you know, that's that's
just Judaism on steroids. Yes. Right.
That see itself is is an hour and a
half. An hour. That that's that's from
Yeah. Crazy. and and this is just
complete Judaism and I love it and I'm
running into it and and but and and I
want this in my life. I'm so far away
but I want this. So Hashem Hashem gives
me gave me the the the ability and just
write things out pros and cons.
So frequently throughout this whole
journey I would write down pros and cons
about me
becoming and of course everything went
through your father's mybi slowly but
surely weighing the pros and cons
positive okay I love the the the theing
so that's a you know one to 100 that's a
75 for me I love this and the what about
what about my children I don't know
yiddish I
have slowly but
surely I I said no this is me I got to
go for it. I sat down with of mine stood
him in mush and we went through it and
slowly but surely I I changed I taught
myself went from knowing nothing right
to to now
my father did the same right shout out
to your father it's a lot of uh
willpower a lot of willpower and it's
not simple and the MS is if I was going
through this transition today I don't
know if I would do it meaning but I I I
wanted this age at this age at this age
and at the stage and now it was
everything is
is when you go through something and
when it happens in your life I went
through this during corona time so I had
more time on my hands so there's a book
called the easymezy gatish really you
can look on Amazon look type of
easymeish a nice like light blue book
and all like the kids have it and and I
taught myself we need to shoot that book
I started through that and I kept going
and I remember I remember one day when I
was in it was at one of Shabasition I
called your father. I was standing
on and I said I think I'm ready to take
off my tie for Shabas. So now I'm going
through this whole process and I and I
go and I switch
from group in to everything is in
Yiddish and I'm trying to speak to but
he doesn't know English and I have to
force myself to speak exactly what I
wanted and that one year I switched das
three times because you wanted different
I wanted so I started with like normal
and this and then I said I need more I
went
to then I went
to wow we went to sleep 9:30 woke up
4:30 everything
It's crazy. You went to all the
extremes, everything. And I loved it and
I want it because because I'm I told
you I I have this just I want to be the
best. Say I want to be the best on the
court. I want to be the best in life,
the best in Judaism. Now like now like
this every kid that flips
out that goes whether a bala and he
becomes fim or a modern Orthodox kid who
flips out has two ways that view his
past. Option one,
it's past. I'm running away from it.
Forget about it. Forget about it. If
only I would have grown grown up in
option two is Hashem makes no mistakes.
If I went through this to use it to help
people, many of us choose the first
path. Choose the first path. And for
many years as I'm going through this
process, that's what I chose. Right?
Those who know a few players of my my
brother would say, "You remember Kobe
Bryant?" Kobe Bryant died in a in a
helicopter crash, a plane crash. He
actually died on my birthday. Wow. when
I was in a so it was it was a big he
died January 26th and it was a big like
muser for me like while this guy this
guy just in parenthes this guy
everything tenacious basketball player
championships best player money this
that endorsement
sneakers one second here one second boom
gone there's got to be more to life than
playing ball and so it was a big it was
a big to me I it hit hard and
and it was real it was very real so my
brother would say you remember like Kobe
Bryant my brother Who's shout out Avi
Proctor? AI is a phenomenal person.
Maybe you know towards the end we'll
speak about Avi and his things. Big
Sadic. AI also has a podcast. Shout out
A's podcast. We'll maybe link in show
notes. What is it called? The
Bian inepth podcast. It's not it's not
Gammor. It's Oh, it's No, no, no. It's
getting like getting in depths of the
lives of people. Wow. And he lives in
Israel. She does it in Israel. I love
this. I I want to show a clip of it.
Yeah. You show a clip. Shout it. You
know what's the name of Look it up. It's
on all the platforms. Amazing. Avi
Proctor to beat you in podcast. Mike's
cameras, the whole thing. I love this. A
is good stuff. A great stuff. One day
he's going to be here. When does he
come? Comes in the summer for his
basketball camp. He runs a basketball
camp. Right. Right. I saw some uh shout
out RTB and all of his camps, all of his
things. But but so he would say so
Again, obvious not his story, but he he
also went through the whole process and
and he he stayed on the more call it
normal trajectory. I started flipping
and he So he would say, "Remember Kobe
Bryant?" And I would say, "Who?" Roby
Rant. Well, he would say, "So you didn't
want to remember that?" No, I never
Yeah, I never heard of it. Even though
these guys were on my wall, I I went to
sleep watching
them, but never existed. You remember
LeBron James? Who? Who? Lawn Lames. You
have no idea. Like to push at him. And
he got upset. And he got upset
rightfully so. But again, I I meant it
was I meant it for Hashem's sake. Yeah.
You thought that's the right way. I
thought that was the right. And now even
though that was against the of
my it's
against he said you have to be real
passionate yourself. Right. One year I
remember I told I told I the story I
came over Pet and one day said he said
your your is in the back room. Go get
it. I went to get it. It's a big box,
like a UPS kind of box with like a grape
juice and chocolate stuck to like with
tape to the box. Thinking, okay, I guess
he didn't have a box, you know, they
have a little bag, you know, to put the,
you know, it's interesting, interesting
vessel. He said to me, open up the box.
The seed of the other people, they said,
open up the box. It was a basketball.
Brand new. Brand new.
whereas found a basketball
in pumped it up and you know it was full
ready to be
played but obviously from there you see
how he knew the value and how important
it is that I play ball and he said you
have to play ball and he was always
pushing me you have to play ball and I'm
thinking no no you got to play you got
to be real you didn't know how to
connect the two worlds not only did I
not know how to connect I thought that's
not what God wants again I I checked out
differentes at the time, you know,
wanted me to find a place. He said,
"Bells is too big. It's too much for
you. You got to find a smaller place."
And throughout throughout the last
couple years, you know, I you know, when
I was in Israel, you know, in my, you
know, young 20s, I was find, you know,
different places. I was I went to
different I was, you know, with the
pitb and he actually put on my by
Who? Wow. He was my my shabas outfit was
here in B park and and he was here that
chabas and we arranged it and he put on
my my
so that was very big for me. I can speak
a while about the experience I had just
in that alone is very close to a lot of
me families you know the rebba the rebb
himself I remember one time you could
see my emotions when I d and the rebba
one time he walked
by and he said to his gaba he pointed
him he
said
vav's warm heaven's warm and he went he
invited me up for his suda one time you
can always eat by me whenever you want
it's a big deal big deal not many people
get that
and and you know if you leave your
living will have a ref
but again I had just these these
different experiences and a yearning and
the pitba told me once he said I'm
jealous of
you that you can inspire people through
basketball again and after hearing these
messages and different things and and
pushed me you got to be real got to be
with yourself and then if it came time
you know to to get you know to find a sh
and how that's a whole another story how
my wife came and she was visited and we
went out get you know then we you know
we made and she left the next day that's
we'll save that for another time but
said after he said I really think she's
I think she's the one she's going to
make sure you remain balanced and to her
credit to you know to sum it up she's
helped me remain balanced and after and
after years of running away again I'm
only 26 but I feel like I'm 80 after
years of running away from my past about
two years ago I said it's time for me to
get back to myself to flip in that's
when people said I flipped out I hate
the word flip out I mean it's good but
you're halfway there you got to flip in
now wants you to strike out to become
but now you got to flip in you got to
flip in and so I went back and I started
teaching back in again the yeshiva I
went to being with the wow being with
the guys and and and really finding and
just like we we said earlier we saw the
the story about the balatanya you know
who was in prison and who was building a
bridge I consider myself a bridge maker
someone who's who's I'm 26 but I've
experienced
the monodox world secular
world and I see that the common
denominator is everybody's searching
everybody wants something real. Wow. And
it reminds me when I was in high school
I met with you know especially many
people here in America know you know the
mash weber it's a big mash more than
Mosha Weinberger in you know in woodmir
and I met with him when I was in high
school and we started speaking about off
the der at the time I was you know and
he said I hate the words off the
der and this is today it's already a
normal this was you know whatever he
said I hate the words off the der he
said off the der implies there was a
derk and a kid went off
He said, "Giving a kid a Gmorrah in
fifth grade saying learn this is not a
teach him what it means there's a God,
right? Teach him about Hashem." And
therefore I've decided now that and it's
so clear to me that you know like I said
the two dua to pick to for
it's and I'm so thankful that I had
these experiences and to this day I go
to the gym I play ball and I learn it's
not a stra people have to understand
that I mean today it's already it's
becoming more accepted you know people
you know there's co there's cush gyms
and things you have to exercise.
You got to exercise. Yeah.
And before actually now you know my is
in Lakewood so we come visit now you
know we're in for PES in Lakewood the
gym in Lakewood I'll say there's there's
a whole there's a whole really ready
listen I love this before you start
exercising
Wow. Who made this? I know. It's on the
gym in Lakewood. And you know it by
heart. I know it by heart because
because exercising is a vital part of a
white. Last time I saw this maven thing
was a a special yeid. I'll say the
name. A lot of people know him. He's a
EOS implement in Moni. And when he goes
to the airport, he says
and he's this is like a mitzvah. It's
not like I have to go to the He goes to
the airport
and time and time again. It's a
basically but it's a for the it's
amazing was really inspiring. So now
that I have this to teach in yeshivas
teach with the guys it's so clear to me
that my experience what I went through
in life is is
100% it's what hashem wants for me and
my goal is to be a bridge like I
mentioned to use all the tools that I've
gone through in my life my knowledge of
music of the secular world of basketball
you know to to play with the guys and be
with the and not just and for
myself that's what Hashem wants you kept
saying you was to go off you know
because like this because like
One of my father's favorite that he says
is he quotes from the literature from
and
from why does the
finish so they say like this had the
greatest father in the world is his
father
don't's father who Russia wicked
guy didn't just sulk his head. He said,
"I'm going to go out and find and build
and develop a relationship with the one
and only God." Wow. And that message for
us is so
powerful. The time we're holding in now,
the end of days, right? I'm going to
finish with you. end of days only
someone who makes himself like
ani who says forget whe whether he's
secular or perhaps even more so today
with he grew up
from yeah I've spoken
to flowers on the and he says and he he
tells me and I said to him I said to I
looked in the eye I said God doesn't
love you because your last name is
xyz and he put his head down wow Oh,
Hashem loves you because you're you cuz
he created you and you're he created
you and that's
the right today, you know, we'll see
what you know, whatever. But today, you
know, I have a chat different things
where I put out I put out, you know,
daily Sunday through Friday about a 90
second, you know, V things like this and
also thing and other ways to reach me.
But but these kind of that
Hashem loves you. And as they say from
the day, the day the day you were born
was the day God decided the world can no
longer exist without your unique talents
and abilities. Wow. He wants you. He
needs you. Right? There's the the Hashem
needs
every wants you. He needs you. You're
valuable. We could speak hours about
this. Hashem wants
you exactly the way you are with your
neilis and everything you went through
and he wants you to be
complete. Right?
We mentioned Yakini Yakini. It says
after he fought the right, the master of
the the whatever the says he came
to
complete
according he was completing his physical
health. His his hip was
healed, his financial health after tried
to cap his money and his spiritual
health. He was starking his
Torah. I'm sorry. The the moment is what
with As he sent money to As he didn't
lose any money with he sent to As and
the spiritual was even though he was
right. He was with it
was that he stayed
strong. So to the excuse me that's
that's wasting time. Yes. Wasting
drinking,
smoking. Do something with your life.
Some people don't believe that they have
any capabilities or
talents. That's because they're too busy
looking out. Too busy. We There's this
expression called keeping up with the
Joneses, right? When you just got
keeping up with the Schwarzes. Too busy.
Too too busy cuz cuz my my my Denali's,
you know. So I I have a listen. I'm a
I'm I'm a Tesla. I I just bought a
Tesla. But you see your neighbor, he
just bought he just bought a Ferrari or
a
Lambo with within a minute. I just
bought a brand new Tesla. I'm worth
nothing. I just bought a I just built a
$5 million
mansion. The neighbor just built a
7.5 nothing because I look out because I
look
out, right? Our rabbis, what do they
know? Especially the the younger
generation today we look at and this and
again it's very important to find a RV
and a rebi that that knows you that can
find your balance also hard to find
you have to search you search you'll
find you don't search you're not going
to find nothing search get look inside
yourself what do I want out of life what
am I here for how does one look inside
shut up first of all shut your
technology down for a little bit take a
deep breath and say in your own words
English, Yiddish, Hebrew, Chinese,
Hashem. God the source, master of all. I
love you. I care about you. I want to be
close to you. You know what? And
sometimes I feel I'm just talking to the
air. I feel you may not even be there.
But Alat, you're there,
God. Help me. I want to be close to
you. My nish is my soul is burning is
yearning is lost.
All I want to do is come home to you.
Let me
in. And God looks down and tin. Hey,
2025. And he says, "One of my children
wants to come home." He calls all the
cops. SWAT team shuts down the road. He
says, he makes a beline. My son's coming
home. My son's coming home. We're so
busy with our preconceived notions of
what has to
be. Who cares, right? We speak, we spoke
about MDY. That's the mile of MDY.
That's just every year. Nobody ever
goes, right? Nobody ever goes to the and
said, "This guy is not wearing a hat and
jacket, so he's not counted in a
minion." Who cares? So, of course, it
has to be and you want to you want to be
in your community and and
get beautiful.
That's right. Pull off
the And the more you're looking outward,
right?
Your portion your portion your
portion. I could speak hours about this.
Your what you have is exactly what you
have because everyone needs and everyone
has a peckle and you're looking at your
neighbor who has this beautiful car with
his big pimped up this and he's going
out to eat every night and his wife with
the the the lang all the you know the
whatever all the
jewelry and he feels anxious and trauma
and
depressed. So the says, "I want to be
more American." Bro, why do you want to
be more American? The divorce rate is
close to 60%. The suicide rate is
incredibly up. And the most prescribed
pill in America is anti-depressants. I I
want nothing about
that. Be here, of course, wherever
you're living, but but just be look
inside
yourself. Look inside yourself. this no
on this
right you you have a good
point you're
special I'm no one to to give a but the
is even even a head can give a
the message is close your eyes and look
inside yourself and whether no matter
who you are where you are what you've
done boy Hashem wants your heart wants a
relationship ship with you. He's craving
the relationship and kazal tell us more
than right more than the more than the
mama wants to be wants to more than the
calf wants to be yik from the mama the
mama wants to give the calf hashem wants
to give us so much blessing in life you
can have the finest wine in America in
the world but if you don't have a vessel
if you don't have a
cle you can't drink it right and another
moh say is that you know two more thing
we'll try but uh they say Right?
Imagine, imagine you're thirsty. You
want water. So you go to Niagara Falls
and you take your cup and you put on
Niagara Falls. It's not going in the
cup. The falls are too powerful. They're
going to crush you
over. Hanoi Tavis Maz. If they're not
guided and and and and brought down,
controlled and really guided and
channeled by the light and the wisdom of
Torah, of the Torah lifestyle, they're
going to knock you over. And the proof
is in the pudding. the the wealthiest
most successful people in Hollywood and
everybody all this they're the ones
making up my stat of 60% plus divorce
rate suicide and
anti-depressants and we finish with that
that Hashem says I want to be in a
relationship with you Imagine you and
your wife let's say you have Moshe Rifka
so Moshe knows that Rifka loves flowers
red flowers roses so he comes in one of
Shabas and he takes flowers and he comes
right he forgets his key at home and he
knocks on the door opens up he says wow
what'd you buy for
said, "About your flowers?" She says,
"Well, Mosha for the flowers." Mosha
throws her the
flowers. And she catches the flowers and
never forgets. She says,
"Moshula more than I wanted the
flowers. I wanted the flowers to come
from
you." You see, the flowers are only aim
only only a vessel to express our
love. There's no relationship. What are
the flowers worth? So we come to God and
God has his six 13 kinds of flowers and
we say God take your fill and take your
flowers
go take your gift. He says my son
catches he says thank you for the gift
but I want it from
you
right much better a little bit with
intent than with no intent. The message
is is is is simplify your
right you want to
be you want to be complete you want to
be that
simple when you're with Hashem you'll be
with God then it goes together you want
to be complete be with God be with God
you'll be complete trust him he loves
you he cares about
you we take this message to heart and we
close oursel and we close our eyes and
we say Hashem and we Talk to him in our
real words. Real
words. If there's no heart, you're just
mumbling words off the
script. Speak to him.
So, don't go off the but you know what?
Find your real Derek while remaining in
the derek. Go just like you have a whole
makeover. Sometimes in your house, you
redo the kitchen. Renovate your whole
pineia. See what's going on. Look inside
yourself.
When each and every one of us can bring
out
our
emius and Hashem will look down and say
ah and then he'll have what will be a
cle to rest when the whole world will be
filled with knowledge of
hemi. Oh man. Wow.