FORGETTING TAL UMOTOR EREV SHABBOS MINCHA - WHAT SHOULD BE DONE

Last night, Thursday night y of a December 4th, we started to say the Saint Talam. It's up here in Tus. The Mishna says that in we start saying the Saint Talom Z. But the Hebrew calendar however says the Gammorra bea out of Bea and B. We start saying the same talom 60 days after the tufa of tish which is not with the Hebrew calendar because when you go with the tufa is the tufash that has to do with the sun and ma it's at or about December 4th December 5th we started saying the saint alam mater the garra says bea in bravo we start saying the saint alam mater 60 days after the kufur yet last night December 4th la it's all over the world bash also goes with bvel so the mish says the garra says in bavvel what's about so zashi that other places go with bavvel why does bvel start later than z than we are ner than ner stroll So Rashi explains because shis I'm sorry the goa and b is lower and since it's lower doesn't need as much rain as an area so we start later rashi actually doesn't say the shis the p can bring shis go with bubble just very briefly to go through mish the basic if you forget the saint tal if you forgot to save Saint Talam, you ding over. If you're a middle of Borakenu, of course you you save a Saint Talam. If you finished and you already passed Barakenu, you could say it by before. You put it in over there. What happens if you finished the of before it say you put it right there before it say you save what's about at the end of the means you before could you put it over there so says yes and says no you continue going and you put it in but if you forgot By you say by if you pass already you're ready deeper further down middle of then you go back to if you finish which means you already said the second you're ding over if you forgot to say you're ding over. So today's Friday we just started. It's pretty it's possible for a person to forget to say the same talam you ding over maybe a person's not going to forget we're speaking about it. So for shak a person's not going to forget but person if you forget to save a saint you d over what happens you forgot to save a saint al by ma and then Friday night tonight by middleman of my you remembered that by m you forgot to say the saint talam we just started saying the saint talam last night. So it's could very well happen and you remembered Friday night that you didn't save a saint talawat. So what do you do if it's let's just go to a different case you forgot by shakom that's for sure that by m you're ding twice right you d twice m you miss shak you're going to dra twice but here when you forget the saint tal by mk and you ought to d twice my tonight Friday night in your not saying the same. So what are you gaining? So let's refresh. Two weeks ago we spoke about this over here. Two weeks ago was Friday and we spoke about if somebody forgets of course is by shak over. So if you forget yakus you d again. And if you forgot to d over shakus you d min twice. What happens is on a Monday and by you forgot and now it's Monday night. It's notesh anymore. Do you dive in a second to make up for so we said what's the sh is when you forget is it like you didn't dl so if when you forget y it's like you didn't dl so even though now it's you didn't dishes you have to d over even though when you're gonna d now you're not saying But lisa you didn't din. So if you didn't dab and you have to dab an over or the other is hold that yo if is a hcara meaning to say that even if you forget y of a y it's not like you didn't din of course you ded however you miss the hus you have to daven over if that is the case so what are you going to d over matsesh you're not gaining anything you d already you know why you have to dive it over because you have to add you're not doing that we said a bunch of one would be is if you have to do the d that you forgot if is is that like you didn't d so it's a but if it's you however you just missed the okay you d you ded anytime a person forgot on a on a [snorts] is that he didn't or he missed. Okay, I'm not going to go over the whole I just want to bring us back. So when a person forgets and now it's not anymore, do you ding over that means you dab in a second? Is it that you didn't dl you ding over or it's only theor that you missed and if you miss you're not gaining anything by ding over that you should d the sec the second because we don't know it's a nava we also said in that cheer that if it's Friday night that's how we spoke about it two weeks ago you forgot y on Friday and now it's Friday night like what the Rambam says that you don't bring a a nava a carbon adva on chabas so you can't d a felas nava on shabas so you don't d over now let's go right back to what we started the shil with we started saying the saint talam if you forgive a saint talam you have to d over today by mk what happens if a person forgot to say the saint talam and he reminds himself Friday night So what do you do? What do you do? Is it the same thing as is it not the same thing? So invas says that the same is also is also applicable by the same meaning to say that if you forget it's like you didn't dam the same thing if it's just that you're missing the same thing. So where's it gaya? Every day of the week it's not. Why not? Because if you forgot the tal by you're always going to d it over. You're going to dil the next because you're always saying the same motor. But where is tonight? P forgot the saint by and now it's Friday night. Do you dive in a second even though you're not going to save a saint? So it's he's saying that the of is applicable by the same as well also >> what say >> on the last day before so you're right but there it's also going into meaning to say is from a weak to the same weakness here. Anytime you're still domining a week, you're still saying the same. Well, you're saying going into Y the first day of PES when you stop saying the same. Very good. Very good. But technically it's the same thing like shabas meaning to say it's it's only for a shabas which anyways you can't you don't you don't like we said the if somebody forgets for tal today by and he's holding Friday night he's not going to d over a second >> but just to point out that it is neg also even though I just said It's not because you're always going to die on a second. Listen to the shila. He brings the shila. It's already saying the saint. You said the saint, but you forgot to say y. So what's you ded over? He dvened over. He said y but he didn't say the same. So what's the rais does he have to die on a third y was saying now and the same tal is the same thing if when you miss yav or when you miss the saint talam it's like you didn't dive in so then you have to dive in a third time but if missing y of y or missing the saint talam you didn't not ding you ded you just missed the hashcaro when forget yov or the saint alam. So here it's beautiful heaven. The first he said of y of the second he said he said y he's there's no there's no d that you need to say that and you can only say that with a distinction between y and the saint um for Friday night be if it wasn't chabas it's the right man still that night to save the saint I mean if it was a Tuesday, right? Someone forgot my no longer. >> So you want to say between and not in the in the difference between which we're going to get to in a moment. Maybe there's a difference in the Tal. He's saying in the time he's saying Friday night is still a time of Saints. >> It's a It's a beautiful It's a beautiful. You're right. And you even bring it out more. Very good. That's Friday night beautiful if you say of course you need a din over you need a mention shabas but it's applicable to davin so you're saying is but I still want to say what says you know why you're not going to ding over cuz says you know why you don't ding over another Friday night because you're not you don't you're not So the saint talom even though you're right in love this it's a time that you could save a saint but you don't save a saint. So we have so far is number one same he has to go back that's what he you should go back >> what he was pointing out as a good if I understood correctly is that you could be between and the saint because y Friday night two weeks ago it's not anymore the time for y tonight it is the time of a saint alam. So it's a it's a beautiful but the is not a meaning to say is because the re it's not you're not says my by ding over he's still not saying it. So the same also you're not saying it. So what we have so far is the first the first very clearly is that the same is the same as the same it's the same the same is also by the same in stencil says that even though what to do when Everybody agrees that it's a part of not just the but if a person forgets to save today by mka and it comes Friday night he has to d twice why cuz he didn't da but yo it's a shila is the shila is y if you could Um, if if you didn't say if you forget today by over tonight he brings a he doesn't bring the from the says that if a person forgets to say by name. So is you don't say you don't say it by you don't say it by what's the difference that if you forget it by you do say it by what's the difference so says that is is a of what does it mean it's a of dinging the is like what says it's a of and if you didn't say you didn't say you missed out you missed the dinging so says if you forget you didn't d so if you're going to forget today by when it comes tonight you have to d it over a sec it over meaning say a second there's yet a third the opposite that even though by if y is or is from the says this is alma that it's which means alma tonight you're not going to d over so we have over here three shittas we have one shittita that says that the saint is the same as which means if tonight you should d a second we have that says that everybody agrees that tonight if you forgot today by tonight you d over a second right we have the says and you won't d over so you have a mus so what do you I also want to remind that two weeks ago he said that that's when says [snorts] my doesn't mean to say is that you're not going to say Friday night or my means or any is not talking about Friday night my what are you going to gain by davening over if it's Friday night you're because you're ding a different type of he's been about it. Maybe the whole is only in the week during the week. If you forget by Friday and now it's Friday night even though you're not going to say but because you're diving a different Friday night that would be the same thing about saying also you forget today. So what are you telling me? My of dinging over tonight because you're ding a new shabas. So because it's such a what to do tonight you for sure you you can't d in a da that's clear but because it's such a you don't ding over. So everything we said till now it's a shil what the gather is of a saint talam if somebody forgets the saint alam by ma today and he reminds himself Friday night he doesn't d over doesn't ding over though the you can have in mind to be with morganov we don't rely to be yz on that but mafik if you're not sure if you have to d over you could be yz with movis The of you asked about [clears throat] the afterman what comes out [snorts] a person specifically request you mean >> I think you have to request I don't remember 100% I think so because he has to be he has to have a mind to be you with the it's not just what we say the it's the whole stand he has everyone who meets in mind >> he he could if the has a mind is very good. It would be technically for also when says I think has doesn't have a mind when he's saying anybody what comes out is that a person shouldn't forget. You should never forget. I mean even cuz then you have to dive over. But just make sure not to forget. Don't forget. If you forget you're not going to know what to do. Don't forget. So what's the don't forget? I mean we just started. How do you not forget? Make sure you stand next to someone that says it out loud. >> Out loud the same tal. Yeah, >> that's exciting. >> That's the you don't d over. That's the you don't den over. So, so try not to forget the shakar says that after 30 days it's already a heragle and you could assume that you said tal >> is that only if >> and you could also say no that's first of all that's only if you miss if you know for sure even after 30 days that you didn't say it you have to ding over of course these dates that you could say it all in one shot based off the garakama You could say 30 days in on one shot which means you say it 90 times these three a day times 30 days that's 90 though it's not really 90 it's a discussion very good shabas and for it's actually more than 90 times 30 days because you have mus of shabas of that's a separate discussion we won't use a she about the actually says it's not 90, it's 101. It's 101. If you look at the calendars, they have it over there. And then they write on the bottom for 101 times. That'll help you not to forget. And just to conclude, could you do it on Shabas? You we could hear more cuz you want to be able to not forget you're doing a Friday night cuz you forgot Friday night. So you Friday night after the sudi you do it 90 101 times. What's about the same has nothing to do with chabas. So that's the sit as a says you could it's not called says you appear on shabas even though you need it for the weekday whenever the kagillas it's not shabas >> so they don't say they say shabas is because now you're a person that knows how to lay migill and leg now you you regulus you have a regilus now of Saint even for now not actually he's but it's pretty clear to say that you could even shabas you could do it this afternoon today you could do it 90 times and not to go into Shila have a wonderful Shabas