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EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: "The Real Live Nazir" R' Eli Stefansky speaks to the Nazir, R' Ohad Turgeman
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thank you Rabbi for having me
pleasure a real live true nausea
so now that we're starting to set this
nausea
I wanted to ask you a few questions
about the zeros maybe tell me a little
bit about why you became an author what
it's like to live like in other what
could you tell us Enlighten us a little
bit about the zeros
first of all uh when we when we speak
about the Torah the war to Rua is
corrected to is similar to to the word
is older mitzvot all the meaning of the
Torah is that we are going to make the
Torah we're gonna do whatever wrote in
the Torah so the Mitzvah the highest
Mitzvah of Nazir which is very very
special mitzvah foreign
and we know
by the halacha there is two kind of two
kinds of people that call Holi One is
the kohen that is walk you walk in
better mcdash you walk on the Miss Berg
and the second is Nazir Torah call him
which the meaning the that if you want
to be close to Hashem there is way which
is not the way for everybody but someone
who want it want to become close to
Hashem it became a Nazir and the way to
do it it's not that difficult you just
say two words
and in the minute when you say this to
water any naziri will become closer to
Hashem this is what the Torah this is
the fact that wrote in the Torah and
this is the order of of mitzvahnazir
is
saying that Nazir is the word Nazir is
Mission
nether it's like
the king okay the king put the crown on
his head this is the meaning of naziru
that's why they had the the hair of the
Nazir is very holy
um what make me became a Nazir I rode on
the mitzvah
and when I was there in a
age 17 I I looked on the picture of a
bidavitacoin
and I asked myself I asked Rabbi who is
this man and he told me he was Nazir
jerusalemi he was Nazir in Jerusalem and
he was so close to the meaning of being
holy and pure
and sometimes
one people one people that act very
purely
he
he stand against a lot of people
a lot of eggs
and it's make
the the the protect to all over the
world
all the children in the world all the
Jewish Nations
and this is one part and the second part
that one of the things that the rambam
he says that we have
we have one thing that we are we we lost
we have two things that we lost one is
the
more material and and the second is more
spiritual
the first one is betamic Dash we lose
betamic Dash
but beta mcdash it's a house it's a
house of Hashem it's a house of mitzvot
everything okay but there is other
thighs spiritual size that we lose the
spiritual side this the spiritual the
spiritual issue that we lose is um
is the prophetic the prophetic
anevoir and the rambam says you know I
you know what let me read it to you the
rambam says in the court of law
he says that
the most thing that close to became a
prophetic man can to bring
the prophetic to am Israel is the
nazirul that's why that's what he wrote
he says
the meaning is that the last uh
prophetic men that we had at the last
his last name
is wrote in the last
in the rambam which the meaning is that
when the guys of Israel the Jewish guy
will become nazirim we have a lot of
nazareem in the end the the the
spiritual size the the prophetic will
become to Earth Israel to arm Israel
again and this is all what we hope and
what we're praying for
so very nice first of all could I see
you're here could I see the back what
does it look like to be a nozer appeared
let's pay us what about the back where
is it back here is
it's there it's there it's there so how
many how many years are you another five
five all that in five years yes
so how does it affect your life what
what what can't you do what could you do
they say you feel Holier uh I I want to
tell you I want to answer first on this
question first of all I fear I feel
uh that I found my place in the world
it's take me to to live like in my dream
in my special place
and my correct place in Abu data Hashem
in the way that I live and about Hashem
you know think people think that if you
became Holier you became you don't play
with your your kids you don't go to the
Macaulay you don't go to to buy you
don't do dishes but it's not true the
truth is that it's make you something
inside you that make you more closer to
yourself more closer to Hashem more
closer to your goal that you came to
this world and this is what the nizirut
uh take me take me to this place and I
fill in this place yes it's make me
Holier I think it's opened my mind in
the Torah in the torata Kabbalah I heard
that you wrote turis Farm yes and what
topics uh a lot of topics since you
became another evening from before I
started before but since I became
another it became like the gate just
opened yes the ideas come in yes
correct and you told me that your wife
is also in the zero yeah not your kid
you have six kids playing horror okay
your wife so what about her
she doesn't write swarm no she really
yeah she's gonna she's Holier she feels
holy we we feel that it's open something
in our life in our heart in our feeling
uh you know it's a process you don't uh
even from the by the you can be in one
minute Nazir but it's a process you are
make the this big decision because it's
for all of your life
you cannot change it when you you're
another Simpson I'm an azer so that
means you could go to funerals you go to
levias yes you could be Tamil maze
but it's forever it's forever yes do you
do any kind of condition any kind of
tonight that you could get out of it
let's say one day you have harada what
can you do okay I have some patents
that I created
yeah keep on going my lunch is fell out
that's fine okay I have some patent that
I created yeah it's wrote In jorgeous
maybe you should find it first yeah
you don't have to stop
there's no way out of it even if he
wants to yes he has he has it tonight
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but just in case you want to get out of
it
how could you get out of it okay so this
question was
um there is two ways to be a Nazir one
is
and the second is a bad way to be a
nazil
a lot of a lot of books that have the
answer in the road that um they was
against Nazir why because people was
using it they would tell their wife when
they were angry if you will not do this
and that I'm gonna be another symptom
and it's forever but we know that there
is Allah
and I say this is
a big answer on it but the the meaning
is that
there is
if you do and a two Nethers two nidorin
and you have tuned but you say it in the
in the same sentence in the same as
nether
so the meaning the the meaning is that
if you are make hatara on one another
when the first fall the second also fall
okay
so
it wrote about regular nederim
but we know there is a Mach locket
between two big scheme the first one is
the mabit and the second is is a marble
Bach they have an argument in halacha if
if someone had an Israel team Sean his
wife
if the man can her husband in the day
that he hear that she take care on
herself the snareder
if he can also broke their nether why
because
something that is tough and something
that it's it's soft the tough things
that he cannot make it off when you take
the nether you think it's forever and
the second thing is that it's he can
literally my team like we learn in Theft
about
so what did they do did they make other
nether with this nether of niziruchim
Sean but I
after I I feel and I I I do this a lot
of here but Hashem I don't think I'm
gonna use it there's a lot Hashem and
this is one thing and the second thing
that every well if you do use it
meaning that it it retroactively cancels
all you need yes it's not from here on
it's it takes it off from the beginning
this is very big question if the meaning
is if if someone like if I do this today
I cancel the first nether okay so the
second nether is fall but before four
days I was drinking a kazai Time
so the meaning that I
I should get a malcot if it was a tra so
now that I can sell it
after a few days if if I if I already
high optimal code the question is if now
I am okay
there is a lot of question about this
insurance game about this but I have a
different question whatever thought is
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we do a few things but this came after
the zeros yes I feel listen I feel that
after the root things are open
seeing though also yes and I want to
tell you something it's wrote in the
Allah
when
there is a big scula that wrote in the
Torah
and it's wrote in a few places in a few
places first of all when David Melech
will get into the walk all of his uh all
of it all of his um his Soldier was
getting his root on themselves
and after after the betamic dash
destroyed
by Chinese destroyed they were looking
for someone that will take off will
break their Roots
you will learn it in Nazir
and second second thing that um it's
wrote in this theorem also that when
someone was sick he was taken himself in
the world
to to help him to get half and we see it
in shimshan when when when Lila cut his
hair his power get down that's why
that's why I asked the son of the rambam
they asked him if someone getting his
root he will become stronger he says not
it's not it's not surely that that he
will become stronger but it will become
Holier shimshon
because of his nephesh he became
stronger but if someone is smart he will
become smarter it's like you take
something and you make it extremely
and
what's another thing uh what is what
that's special in this Mitzvah that this
Mitzvah it's like
it's walk every each every each second
why because it's also in the pursuit
the meaning that you should not cut your
hair and when your hair is growing every
each second you have a Mitzvah meets
that is
that's why this is the only Mitzvah also
when you sleep also when you when you do
whatever you want whatever you
as your life every every each second
that you like you're making them it's
not a semi-dog we don't have any Mitzvah
that's similar like this like it's not
miserable that every each second you
make him it's not a semi-dog
all right don't get those socks
tell us when they go
yeah
okay so I'll ask the question again
ready hold on a second and you're on
okay so you spoke a lot about the
positives and how it influenced your
whole life and what are some of the
negatives what are some of the downside
or let's say how do you Kiddush have a
dollar
dollar cases on pesach
Purim what to tell some of the some of
the things that that's hard to be
another where is it hard
um first of all I want to answer
um
I want to answer you that when you are
connected to something
even it's hard it's truly it's not hard
because this is the way that you choose
to live your life
and if you connected it so whatever come
it's come we are
we have in it and we have the the way to
lead to Modern with this with this yeah
to deal with some situation uh first of
all that was hard for me is
um and when you deal with something when
you have problem you deal you figure out
that if you are connected to your goal
you find out that this dealing open you
other Gates
and the first thing that was difficult
for me is to go out with the hair and
you know as a religious we're going to
the make way and the migrid was a big
problem for me because I don't want uh
in the in the two First Years three
thirty first years when I became a Nazir
Nazir I was um
were in a big big hat because I don't
I don't know I didn't know how people
will react yeah react for it you know
so
um first I I was look I I go to the make
way in different hours like early in the
morning and thing and after it I learned
about the sugeya of the mikvote
and I make us
and I had a potent how to build a MC
venue house very easy uh
a way and very cheap I you can watch me
on YouTube in my class I really did it I
didn't watch it but I already did the
two point emails okay so you'll show me
yes but it's made out of the roster no
no it's me it's even cheaper than what
you did uh if you if you want we can see
it but the the thing that it's a it's
it's it's like
the deal in the problem open you other
option make you think in other way that
you think it is today answer the Box yes
out of the box and I think this is the
this is our power to to think to to open
mind
and
there is a few things that you know you
deal with them like we do a Kiddush
we make a birkon
like blast
and you know when you are going
um
when I fly to other countries like New
York or when I go to communities in the
world so sometimes I need to explain
them the meaning of having Kiddush with
Nazir or if we do like a sudas they have
after sudashi
they have the blasts with them
with the the blast with the the moon on
the wine so
there is yes it's a little different but
you know the one of the rabbi that was
here khatam so far
wrote a chuva because there was an
argument between him and there is there
was one big Rabbi here in Israel which
his name was
he came to the communities of the
khatam's affair and they do a wedding
they want to respect him to had a bless
in the Hupa
so he came he hold he could say brojo we
know that it is also us Americans okay
that much we know we understand okay so
we make the brachi and you hold the the
cup of the Kiddush
so uh
now you're pushing it okay no I'm
kidding I'm kidding yeah go so uh so uh
was angry about it they wrote the chuva
one to each other one time they they
invite me also to do a bless in the um
so I came to the Hupa the first brother
no but but we we can because it's on
that cup yes so we cannot so you can't
even hold it yeah oh this is the
argument between
not allowed even to hold it
someone that given Nazir wine to drink
and it doesn't say to him it's like uh
so one time they invite me to make a
bracha in the hopa
so I got a decline you have to say no
yes I had to say no but I say I agree
only if you give me to make a beer
so they say okay we we want you to make
a Baja so I go to the I may I I brought
the beer to the when they call me I get
to the power with the beer and there so
one of the guy says look was what's a is
a cool Rabbi
long hair beer he knows to do a wedding
as a can yes there is solution there is
few solution I'm thinking now that
because you're a nozzard it's probably
people are very into kubali so a lot of
people come knocking your daughter and
then things like that yeah but living
foreign
and I and I want I really truthfully I
want to people know that like I say in
the start of the interview that um we
should know that Torah
foreign
throughout the generations we don't have
that many Nazir that reason
if it's such an easy thing to do and it
makes you closer
how come how come it's not accepted okay
I'm sure there's a funeral here and
there and you're going to quote
different names maybe some we heard
somebody didn't but the main delay
though even by this faradim and by the
national how come they're not nazirin
okay so the answer is
um
the answer is very very simple first of
all we have three kinds of Nursery
which is you can literally my team and
the second is
which meaning he say how much time we're
going to be at Nazir and the third is
the nazirle Olam
the two uh the the two last kinds of the
dream they cannot be in the dream in
because they they must hold themselves
uh outside of the Tuma to mat and
raboternu hazal
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a lot of communities
in the world they didn't say why because
the qurani I'm not allowed to bring hot
Slavs truthfully because there is
they are buried the their dead people
everywhere that way you can not be pure
and that's why
it's make you one opportunity to be
another Simpson the meaning that you
cannot break it off and you might you
must take it for all of your your life
but we should know two things first of
all there was a lot of Nazarene we don't
know it but it's not published but yes
there was in his room in in ham
Israeli was one of the the reasoning he
was Nazir
he was the son of the harosh he was one
of the biggest
Nazir there is a list very long list
besides it in Egypt there was Noah
movement a movement of hasidim it's
called the old session of the hasid they
were nazirin
the one is rashim Sean in Egypt there
was they were they act very Holier and
they keep themselves from few things and
it was we don't know a lot about it but
we know that this is the order this is a
Mitzvah when we should understand it and
and understand this is the like the
rambam says this is the opportunity to
bring the spiritual side of the amisrael
of all of the the human being which is
the prophetic to became to this world
so we have an Israel we have dolador
that was in Israel but there was that
wasn't because they were in and also
those that what was in Earth Israel not
all of listen it's not Mitzvah that you
have to do
and so how come the reason
okay
we should know that the result
there was a the first in Cuba Lim
like a rabiosafe Angelico
the result
always Torah all of his Kabbalah
fitting becoming from dessert
there is part in the sword it's called
idra of the Nazir
that was the that's why the remark
another base of the Rizal was the
Kabbalah of the ramban
the brother the two brothers the holy
Brothers the one nazirim abiakov and his
brother and they was in the old
Generations they were very holiest and
that's why they can become a Nazir Ariza
were here in erit Israel only for one
one and a half year I think if there was
another time maybe the result also will
become a Nazir because we know it's fat
in his generation there was a nazirim in
spot there was a very big it was yes
so how come the result I don't know but
I think he wasn't surely was it against
it because the Mitzvah but
why he didn't became a Nazir this is
so do you recommend it for other people
I recommend other people to
to first of all
to try
and to understand the meaning and the
the meaning of the al-hot to learn the
al-hot I recommend everybody to learn
about it
I have two to having him to friends that
they are very genius and very Holier and
they too need the rim the two of them
are nazareem they wrote books first of
all the books nazirolohim it's called
and the second it's called awesome
these two books they are a misc with all
the asur and muta all the Allah of
and I think we should learn about it
because even we don't we're learning
we're going to learn about it yes
you know
how come
wrote only foreign
they asked this question and he doesn't
give an answer
you bring all the places
speak about and you bring Allah and he
says I don't have an answer any answer
about this question because I don't know
how come didn't wrote Allah
because we need this
a practical Allah
but yes if someone feel
that you want you know what there is a
lot of question
in the general the old generation
about someone to take on himself a lot
of people come came to yourself or
other rabbi people that were like in in
hodu
or in Nepal or thing like this
they want they they take on themselves
uh why because they feel when they read
on the Mitzvah they feel the spiritual
side the the spiritual energy that this
Mitzvah bring to yourself and it's very
holy Mitzvah and we want there's that
Hashem that we will have the cover of
Amen so first of all I want to invite
you to our share 7 15 in the morning
okay we have we have like 80 people live
and thousands of people watch around the
world okay would you join us maybe one
day is that Hashem yeah maybe speak a
live that's one thing the other thing I
want to ask you this doesn't have to be
on camera but you could leave it on
camera because we have an artist that
does things and I'm interviewing you and
people are going to know who you are is
it okay to use you your face as one of
the one of the pieces of Art
okay
thank you a lot this is
amen amen
thank you
all right let me show you some uh
this is it you're not allowed to say I'm
not gonna even say the word they know
how to say
wow it's unbelievable okay five years
worth okay
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