ERUV TAVSHILIN - CHIYUV OR EITZA TOIVA? Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner

This is the last year on the bay that we learn now over the past bunch of months this Sunday night making and then we're going to move on to tus after pes I would like to take a topic that we have spoken about in the past already actually a few shurim relevant to the of as well as also that's relevant for the upcoming in particular pes and pesa is Thursday Friday shabas to be able to cook from Friday er of shabas that is yumptiff onto shabas you have to make of tilan as well as also shv is Friday and chabas. So if you want to cook on yamt the first day yamt it's a little different on pes it's cooking from the second day of yamt it's a little easier it's the abon to shabas you're cooking from the first day y to shabas you make an it's less common to have they're not going to have because they have one day still they'll to cook from their one day of Friday to Shabas. I'm gonna begin and I'm going to try to do it real quickly to just recap the previous showroom that we spoke on just because it's and then we're going to go into a new topic which is if the tilan is a mitzvah meaning to say if you do not need of should you still do it is it a mitzvah and we're going to explain point number one it was she number one cooking from yumpt to shabas these are mus in the gorus if there is technically an says now that from it's a however since guest might come that takes it away from the And it's also the other mandar I think it's a miker of the other mandar the other mandar holds no you're allowed to cook you're allowed to cook from yam to shabas you're allowed to however you're not allowed to because >> what the reason why is also there's a lot what to talk about but to clearly it's to cook and it's yeah very good and that's one of the reasons of very good Yankee because you shouldn't mix up that you're allowed to cook from but again these are technically these really you just have a way out cuz guest might come what does it mean guest might come guest might come so what you're cooking now on Yam even though your mind is for Shabas but if guests come you're going to serve them this shalant. So it comes out you're not really cooking from Yam to Shabas. So what's clear everybody agrees that the final line is that there's no question just how you get to it. What happens? You made an air of til and you did everything perfect. You realized second day pes it's already in the afternoon. It was the late seda. You took a long nap. You d already before your nap and it's very close to shabas. For a matter of fact, also you were up the whole night, you took a nap, you wake up, it's 15 minutes to Could you prepare the food, then you made an air of til could you? Or can't you? If you learn that technically it's to cook from sha from y to shabas. However, these are because guests might come. Putting up the food right before Shabas, you do not have that because guests could come but you can't serve them the food. They could come right before Shabas, you can't serve them the food. It will be awes if it's only to begin with and the takes care of it took care of you clear what's not clear if this happens seems to be that one should not cook to be that technically these However, it says that here is a difference between the we're going to make P and the we're going to make P the we're making to cook from the second day which P is Thursday Friday Shabas. So you want to cook from Friday to Shabas says that you could be because the whole Yumpt is only as opposed to that the Yumpt is being that the Yumpt is really one should be not to cook when it's pointer number Do we make an air of tile? What's the reason for of us in the gar and the second which we learned we learned these two reasons for reason number one is meaning to say to remind you that don't eat up all your food on on Yamiff Shabas is coming as well. You need to save food for Shabas. That's the reason you make an reason in the Gmorrah. The reason you make like what Yankee mentioned before to remind a person that you're only allowed to cook from Yam to Shabas. You're not allowed to cook from Yam to a reminder. Two reasons why we have Here also these clear the is an air of if the air of tilan is eaten up before let's say you made it of yam and by night you made it with an egg and you use it you use that egg it's like you don't have an air of tailan which we'll get to soon what happens if you didn't make one but it's problematic What happens? That's why it's kadai if you have one to mark it. Someone else in the family you'll see an egg will take it'll eat it to mark that it's the it's not supposed to be eaten till let's say to shabas but for sure not right in the beginning you can't eat it you need it. So what happens if it was eaten what say >> started? Oh very good very good when this is the in the reasons what happens if it was eaten after the suda says that this would be to remind us to save over food leave over food for shabas you already had your yam of suda you already had the reminder was taken care of however if the reason for is to tell us about the cooking that you're only allowed to cook from to not from says that even though it's after the suda if you didn't cook yet you don't have the reminder anymore and you can't cook cuz it was eaten maybe it could be mis that the same would be just the opposite if it was eaten before the suda but you cooked already that's what doesn't say the other way around so you had already the reminder when you cooked But not but then it's not really because you cooked already. So then you don't need an one other and then we'll move on to the next is in regard to if a person want if a person would like to make the air of til earlier than y. You see is is a hectic time and baram today multiple reminders. is you get text messages and alerts and signs and magnets to remind to make it's a busy day of Yam. Why do we have to da make it of Yam do it a day or two earlier? So it's a shah if you could do it we don't but this would also depend on the two reasons if you could why you have it if it's for a reminder what's about the night before is questionable has a ch about it he says the person is really afraid he's going to forget he could do it the night before because that's really called Arab. He questions it. He says, but at least it's a question the night before. Before the night before, you can't let's go over now. Let's call it the next she I guess she number three in regard to when you make an air of tilan. What is it? What do you use to make an air of tilan? So I think we all use a tapo fish, piece of chicken, a piece of meat, an egg and we also use a pesa. So the truth is in the Gomorra in the Gmorra do you need for tapel and bread for bread means for cooking you need a tapel and for bread for baking bread or one tapel is enough it's a so what's they say is enough and That's all the repos. However, the re says Milani Liby, I don't feel comfortable to argue with my uncle that holds that you need an a tough shell and a bread. And therefore, we are to do both. But for sure, if you only did a tap, it's fine. If you only did a bread, that's very questionable. But if you only did a tap shell, that's fine. As a matter of fact, some shoos, I was last year in a shul, they announced before, if anybody forgot to do an air of tilan, you do. We're going to get to it soon. Make the til right there and then. So they only gave an egg. I think was was pes that he gave matzah. Taffel is enough. What type of tapshell? any particular an egg, chicken, fish, anything. So technically any tap shell is good. However, the benesai writes that by then they used to use eggs and the reason let's say is it's hot they didn't have refrigeration. We spoke about and if it's hot and it gets spoiled it's like you don't have the air of tilan. So therefore they used eggs but there's no we have a refrigerator. Anything you do any is good. The she we said is a kaz of using a do sh him a whole egg a whole something you're supposed to hold it. Let's go through real quickly now the part if you don't get it right till now is you made the right way. What happens if you forget? So if you forgot and you're in shul and you're lucky enough that your sh somebody over there offers to make it afra make that's excellent. What happens if the sh doesn't have and it still be before yam? So the stroll has a kesh that you could do it in sh even though you're not next to the food. You know in your fridge you have a bunch of eggs you have for the seder. So you say I want to make an air of tilan with one egg in the fridge. Of course when you come home make sure to put it aside cuz you have the air of tilan but you could do it. You don't have to be next to the food. It's not so clear. So one should do it without a bra. That's what the say but you should do it and you can rely like you made an air. So if you remember you're ready by shul and by the time you go back home it's already by night you missed it. then you should uh you should make a not nearby to go to air of tilan if you didn't do that also meaning to say is you sit down lay say there was such a busy air of yam and you realize wait a second I didn't prepare an air of tilan so if it's before the yam of suda and for a matter of fact this year if it's before the Friday yamt of suda when you're putting up the food prepar preparing the food for the Y of Suda, you can make a much bigger pot that'll be for Shabas also. Not only that, you could actually prepare food for Shabas, a full pot chalant or whatever you prepare as long as you eat a little bit of it for this Yam of Suda. If you didn't do that also it's already after the suda it's Friday at 1:00 you want to start 2:00 whatever time it is you want to stop appearing for the sud and you realize wait a second appearing for shabas I didn't make an so here we have a different also the gar of what does mean if it's a y of like pes not pes that it's Thursday, Friday, Shabas, and you forgot to do the tap on Wednesday. When it's Thursday, what you could say is though, if it's Thursday, you could have the other, but if it's Thursday, you could say like this, if today's yam, so then I do not need an air of til tomorrow to cook because tomorrow is not yam. And if today is not Yam and tomorrow is Yam. So then I'm making now an is a sh if you make a or not it's question you don't Shil but you can make of Thursday for to be able to cook on Friday that's not going to help. Why not? Cuz is the day of you're making on you want able to cook from Friday to Shabas and if you wake up Friday you didn't do it there's no if today and tomorrow there's only one it's the first day ya followed by shabas so then you don't have this of tonight lastly you have a different which is the relying on the rav however the relying on the rav like it's brought is only when you're anus not a pa and a person's only considered a only the first time afterwards what are you forgetting one time a person forgets afterwards you're not you can't rely on the r more than once says that today this is already then before today's generation they were really all over the place but says that being that people are so turried Even the even after the first time if a person forgets to make the of a person can rely on the ask that's that would be I guess the last of a person stuck without is to rely on the RV at least for sure the first time that a person could you know a person could do that >> how can you make it tonight >> the question is even why you need to make it tonight you don't need to make it tonight you just say right now listen I'm making an air of tilan and if and if tomorrow is not yiff if the opposite if today's if today's not yamtiff so then it's a beautiful air of tilan if tomorrow is not yumptiff so then you don't need >> there isn't really a suffic it's just a >> good if you're pointing a very good it's a good question because today we keep vad but we keep the vi m suffic a discussion about it you're right we have no doubt out that it's the first day. We don't have a suffic but we treat it we treat it the is to treat it like a safic very well asked. Therefore, if we treat it like a sophic, the is when it comes to making an issue part of the sh just for the last few minutes. Is there a mitzvah to make an? And I'll explain. Definitely when you make an is crystal clear. You make a dish to make an air of it's clearly a mitzvah. The Gomorra in Yuma says the Gomorrah says the asks it's not a discussion but the asks why did the mitzvah of not any other mitzvah not any other mitzvah onvah it's a mitzvah that's clearly if you make an your mitzvah the question is what happens If you don't need it, you see these to make an around my or around Rockland County. It's from the biggest in there. He's a mitzvah to make an what's the reason he's a mitzvah to make an make a good it's a mitzvah to make an that people should be able to carry it's a mitzvah to even if no one's going to carry is a mitzvah to make an a is a mitzvah if you do it meaning to say you want to walk out of the so you prepare of and you make What's a mitzvah? What is it a mitzvah to make even if you don't need it or is it only a mitzvah if you need a cook then? So let's try to just before concluding with this let's try to figure out what are the examples of not needing an af. So first of all let's just step back for a minute in cases that people are guessed how does that work the guru speaks about if people somebody makes an of mish says of course a person's wife and kids are included that's clear guest though I saw bringing for a miss and corellet that says that it's not included you should be I think it's Safe to say the minimum is that when somebody's a guest goes to their parents married or you go to your parents you go somewhere else I think the is to rely on their someone's there they want to cook they want to put up hot water they want to help cook from to shabas I think people rely without being they rely on the air of tilan but what's if you don't need an air of tilan You're so organized. You don't want to be busy yam to be cooking from yamt to shabas. You prepare all the food before yam. So you don't need an air of tilim. Now if you need it which is most of us even if you have everything prepared and you take it out of the freezer or what the weir you want to heat it up. So even though we pass however at least says for this you also need a tail. So even if you're very organized and you have everything prepared before y that much you're going to heat up the food. So that wouldn't be such a good example that we're questioning if you need an air of tilan. That's not a good example. But let's say for whatever reason the only hot food you're going to have Shabas is let's say the cholant and you put it up already before Yumpt. You don't need to warm anything up. You're going to eat by somebody for Shabas. You just don't need to prepare any food. So the truth in the matter is it's still not so simple. Why? What's about lighting Shabas? to light the candles of Shabas. It's a very big sh if you need an to be able to light the candles Friday which is yumpt for shabas big shil big shil that's why in the when you say the question is if you need it or you don't eat it say if you're going to only make an just for that make it but without a it's questionable if you need an of just for shabas let's say for whatever reason you don't need or you want to just do it because you want to do it so really from this that the pkim say that you make with a bra seems clearly and that's a lot of pkim go that that there's no mitzvah just to make an if you absolutely do not need whatsoever an af you do not make an that's one way how to take we'll see in a minute let's we're going to conclude with this that would come out if you hold that you don't have to and even if you do you do it without a meaning to say is that you don't just make it when you make a even if no one's going to carry over shabas and you make it, you make a if no one's going to use the don't make it. If you make it, don't make a also goes with this that you don't just stop making of however says Ramos that you should make an air of and cook. Why? That a shouldn't come out. Not sure if the m's for a different time or for this time you're going to cook without an af. So the Mosh is also going not you don't just stop making a only if you need it but he says make an and make sure to use the cook make it with a lastly has a long cha and he says that there's a mitzvah to make an with a bra Even if you're going to absolutely not cook anything and he speaks about it even I he says I know that there's a sh about if you need it for that or not and these that say you don't make a he says you just make an of the even if you're not going to cook. So to conclude these are very clear if there's a mitzvah to make an before even if you absolutely do not need it which of course the is if you're going to make a so it's hard to say that a person that doesn't need it should make a says make it and use it but if you're going to make it and you don't need it or even if you only need it for the takeaway would be is make it but without a bra. Have a wonderful Shabas.