EREV PESACH ON SHABBOS: KIDDUSH AND SUEDOS SHABBOS WHERE AND HOW Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner

in continuation to the series of shabas last week we spoke about shabas aod is it next shabas or is it the shabas of of P this morning she I would like to focus on that are actually not of P it's that fall out that are to review to go over because we're going to speak about that are usually not as of that come out we have to speak about being that next going to go back to that are P related but today she is also very all about and we're going to go in order these six to go through shabas the first to speak about Islas and we're going to come back Tolus NYS but one pointer adus if you're going to light your candles and usually you light it on the shabas table but you're going to be eating humet and you want to take the table cloth off to clean you know to get rid of all the humet then you shouldn't put your lter the candles on the table even if a regular week you do and you just wipe off the crumbs but if here if you're going to want to take off the whole disposable tablecloth you should put the ler just prac go not on the table it's that when you make KES The KES has to be suda that means you make kidish in your dining room you can't just stom stop take a break and then later go eat a suda you have to have kid dish and then continue into the suda for many they're not going to eat the maybe even everybody but you're not going to eat the in your dining room that you're going to be eating the Leila Seder in your dining room you're going to be eating the somewhere else yeah you go to a different room a room that you're going to lock up you're going to go to the basement you're going to go to the porch so if you make kidish in your dining room could you go and eat the in a different room a room that you want to close up could you go is that called usually means you make KES and then you go and you eat the suda right there where you make KES brings one that if you have in mind by KES that you're going to eat the suda somewhere else it's called KES sud so then that would be very practical you make kiddish in the dining room because you planing or eating the rest of the sud you just step out of the dining room to eat the somewhere else let's call it in the room that you're going to lock off in the basement so one she in the says as long as you have a mind by Kish you're going to eat the you're going to eat somewhere else it's okay it's called KES there's another that it's sud only if with the place where you eat the past you could see the place where you made KES so to make kdes in your dining room and then go down to your basement that's not going to be kdes Mak as opposed to if you make kidish in your dining room and then you have a different room and there's a window or you keep the door open and you could see the dining room that's kid even if you're outside as long as you see the correct yes if you're outside porch your porch and if your porch is off your dining room we'll get to a porch in a minute you might may be a different child in a porch but very good very good is saying very good very practical and that's the point of today's she everybody has their own Dynamic and I don't know if we're going to cover every case but I think the porches come out from the most practical cases we'll get to that in a minute conned to those let's get to the porch m in a second first let's see St if you want to go to a different room what say let's know eat just the bread in the POR chair basement wherever it is right is it more for me to make in that place we'll get to that in a minute also somewhere else good we'll get to that in a minute also very good I'm also going to speak about if you change places about we're going to try to with's help cover it all but good very goodal so first all if you if you make kidish in the dining room one sheet in the is if you have a mind you go to a different room and okay another sheet is if you when the place where you eat you could see it's okay says is you should have both side to have a mind and side to be able to see yeah you should have both a pretty practical case would be is a lot of people have a porch off their dining room or even my porch is off my kitchen but there's a window you could see from my dining room onto the porch so you KES and also you could see a porch it's so some of that use a lotion of that is a roof that is's a g so if you go to a porch and there's no roof is that considered part of the house so if you have a awning so then it's it's part the a roof it's part says clearly that a porch is good even if there's no roof that's a pretty practical simple a you can make kdes in the dining room and then you could go out to the porch if it's and like mentioned before if somebody's going to make Kish at the place where he eats the kala he's going to eat the kala in the basement and it's not Roya and you don't have to look so you can make K over there also we're going to get to that what's the problem the rest of the sud you go to the basement to eat the and you go to the rest of the in the dining room you're having a that's what would be the sh you had you had we're going to go into 100% if somebody's going to eat make KES and eat the in the basement or in a different room so now we have to go on another this is number two is brings on the prim is that before the you're supposed to light n by the shabas so every shabas Lo is in the dining room by the suda let's take a look over here for this ER of PES if you make kidish in your dining room you step out to eat the and you come back for the rest of the suda so you have K you can continue to light in the dining room because you have the kidish by the NIS and the rest of the sud so that's however if you're going to step out to your different room and make Kish over there also and over there then you should like the nest over there what says is that you should have The KES also by the N so if you're in a different room for The KES and for the you should light n over there you can light in both places if you're going to light over there in the basement in the other room to have The KES and the Kal by The Nest you could also light in the dining room it could be but to be you should see the light in the place where you make now for the next few minutes we're going to move on to that are not but more if a person if a person makes kiddish in his dining room and then he steps out to eat the Kal or even he makes kidish and he eats the in a different room so very good he also let shabas over there it's beautiful it's so what happens now he wants to go now to his dining room to continue regular suda Friday night suda wants to continue the suda these that you now to go out of the place leave the place you ate pass before your bench so how could you leave the the you went to a different room you ate the over there now you want to go back to the dining room to continue to sud you're not to leave you're not supposed to leave the place before your bench and so how do you go out so the Em isem Say it is that people do leave you wash and then you leave but there you have a mind plus you eat on the next place you could continue you somewhere else but over here the whole point is is you made KES or even the kides in the dining room you're eating Kal somewhere else now you're coming back to the suda in your dining room how could you leave the first place without benching so says you could and he says the reason is is because for you could over here it's considered he says it's considered Mitzvah what's Mitzvah because you want to continue in your dining room it's a Mitzvah you could in order to continue don't you need that breath H we're going to get that's other point very good and that we're going to get to that point also very good said normally you do that by eating bread in next place so here to to save theame continuing you need to have so let's be very clear these one point about continuing which we're going to get to in a minute but why do you have to continue we're talking about clear why you don't have to bench why don't you have to bench this is assuming you don't see where you you ate oh very good so good we'll get to that also thata could be the first thing is you're not going to leave you're not let to leave without benching so so says that you could because it's and then he says another point he says that this that you not let her leave without benching is because you're going to forget but over here even though everybody's under pressure but everybody's hopefully pretty focused it's a pretty you're coming and you're going even though it is a person could forget but it's less likely because a person's focused he's eating the suda going back and you could go without you could leave that room without benching what you mentioned about seeing so that's like when you're going to bench we're going to get to that also but here we pointer number three is how could you leave without benching the terrorist say you could leave without benching now let's go to another Shiloh poter number four the kitchen no sink sink the house switch one play to other so so that's a that's St good point I don't have it clear right now in front of you but that's sta when you wash in one room and some people let's say suus you know washing from the house walking for four floors up down also that's could be a practical also good point to see if you're going to go down to a different room four floors away and there's no sink to be to figure it out good good point taka yeah is there no D that says that if it's all Under One Roof of the house that it's considered yeah SOI like we said also if it's Under One Roof are you talking about benching or you talking about clearly says one as long as it's Under One Roof you have to be says that should also be able to see so if you have a porch is good if you can't see we spoke before you should make if you could make Kish over there as well also moving along to pointer number four you make you have you have the and you could leave after after you wash even though you didn't bench says that meaning to say is you finish the pass you don't have anymore that the food that you're going to eat is n in the suda every tonight you're going to wash the suda you're going to eat fish and soup whatever you eat in your suda and you don't make a br because everything is a tle to the pass but once you decide I'm done eating pass anything he eat afterwards is not included it's usually not neay you don't have you don't have to eat more pass let's see a person is careful and he has one slice of Kala so it doesn't mean that he was M he could still if he decides lady wants to have another slice of Kala he could have another slice here you meaning to say is you went to the basement you made Kish you ate a Kaz you wiped yourself off you're done you're done with the pass now you're going into the dining room where you're going to have to say there and you're only eating food so you're done your so when you start the sud after the pass when you start eating you should have to make a has a CH about it and he says you should bench after you eat the but wait a second don't do it yet but he says bench first of all you're going to like this you also you gain that you you're not leaving without benching but you should bench and then you come back to your dining room you start making bras but that's a little bit interesting because then it comes out your whole sud is not really part of your sud Shas everything you eating it's not part of the sud you Ben and now you're you're sitting down for to eat more would it be like potentially like it's interesting what you're asking of it's a good point I hear I hear but you're not benching because and then you D going to make bras really you're benching because you anyways have to make newas that's what he say later on it's not it's not because if let's say you're eating in one place and then you not one place sorry you decided right now I'm done eating Kal so so now the food that you're going to eat afterwards is not in the sud and you have to make a is you make a sh you make a bar you make a sh again over here you you L to decide you're done with Kal I I I hear what you're asking that you're being by being stopping with you being they have to make more says bench and he says that you don't have to you do not have to bench and you don't have to make bras so let's be very clear very Mis you you ate Kal somewhere else or does it make a difference when you ate even if you're going to be brave I don't know if it's the right thing you're going to eat the in the dining room let say but after you're done with that in the bag you finished eating so do do you have to do you have to make you do not have to says to to go back and eat kala let's say you ate it on the porch go back and eat some kala afterward so then you're not considered he says to be what I do want to say is is that everybody has to know the situation that if it's you know if L if a person a family and kids you have to we have to stay focus so says that you clearly don't have to make more works for you to go back it's it's person should be careful if if the only way to keep saders without going back to the it's not not would you Ben we're going to get the Bening in a minute very good beautiful how what' you say how that you're not M but you're still one what's a what's no it's even it's for washing when you go to another place I can wash my B go upstairs and have a suit down and and continue eating Kal downstairs it's not a problem you washing your base when you have a mind to go upstairs you have to continue eating Kal but usually you have to over there go to my neighbor's house need a suit over there and then come back and eat Kal by me that doesn't help you have to eat Kal over there correct correct so here laa you do not have to that's CL we're going to get the Bening in a minute we're going to get the Bening Bening I'm handling the Broast that you're going to do when you're eating this when you're eating the the chicken and your CH when you eat the CH so why why but why is it not n it's n let's say you're going to go back and you're going to have more pass afterwards so if I'm eating I don't I forgot I don't have ch for I want to go to my neighbor eat F there and I'm going to come back and eat more col I here I have to be my IR talk I don't know good we'll get back I I here you're only talking about Friday night shabas morning after the becomes more complicated good we're going we're going to with hashem's help we're going to get to that also we're going to get good shabas and Sh hopefully we're going to get it all in but that's interesting that's interesting what was someone else mention different I want remember I have six points it's already two someone else mentioned something before also where would you Ben we're going to get but good if you move to a different place that's a good point to be I do want to point out one thing which you already said about um by day we spoke about that even if you don't pass later it's in the suit then you don't have to make BR but what what happens by the day sud that you can't eat anymore I didn't realize that's you're saying I thought you saying the setup very good point you eating the by day 1021 you can't eat anym that's for sure a that you for sure can't you can't eat anymore so you should have to make a says that even clearly even govern you don't have to make new bras so that's that's that pointer moving along pointer number five we do you bench we do you bench so the is it's not a that when a person eats the sud and you you wash you ate somewhere Kal the din is and you left let you left you have to go back to the place we ate you have to go back so the sh over here is you walk you made KES whether you made Kish in the dining room or you made KES you ate the Kal and then you came now to your dining room do you have to go back to eat to to bench yeah so L is like this the sh says someone mentioned before Ro for benching thean says that if you're you see the place where you ate then you could bench over there so again if you're just like we said that if you made kiddish in your dining you went on to your porch and you're eating the kala cuz you could see a dining room so in your dining room and you could see a porch you could bench otherwise you don't have to go back says over there you don't have to like the the a Chua the ham a Chua from he has a whole bunch of he goes through he says should go back let's say you on you go on to the porch like your example you go on to the porch you ate the over there if it's Ro so then it's Ro that's but if not you should go back to that place to bench you should go back to to the place if you ate on the porch and you don't have warning and then it started raining and so then you could stay in your dining room and bench there to know this lastly then we're going to move real quickly going to move over to the the one more in says is he not supposed to take off the kala for Bening you're supposed to have kala on till after Bening says that it should be nicker that what your benching G this should be a mock for the benching the to be on soem by night no problem you keep the whether if you go back to bench over there or even on the dining room table if you have a closed in a bed you can have left over Kal shabas morning the first sud we'll get to it momentarily you you could V or have but you just have to make sure once it hits the M beer you have to make sure that the doesn't you have to get rid of it there is Aid to use P mat of course take out the mat before shabas put it in a bag and you have it even if you don't use it over because it was together with the you don't we don't eat the but you could to be then you could also be so this last thing is just to keep in mind that you're supposed to when you B you're supposed to have on the table so just to make a of what we spoke up until now we spoke about to keep in mind we spoke about to have by also by KES we spoke about how could you leave the sudas how could you leave where you ate without benching we also spoke about that when you you should have to stop make more an addition that real have also if you go to a different place if you have to start Mak new bras we also spoke about benching wish in your bench if you can't see to go back and lastly to have on have when you bench you're supposed to have on the table just to point out it's that if you could eat your whole suda in a different place let's say you have a room you could eat it let's say in a basement in a room that you're going to close up not close up you can eat in a different room there's no shus none of what we spoke till now is n not only that you have a fringe benefit the you could set up set up your dining room already for the Lea seder because if not you could only start setting up your dining room for for the say the only after so and that it takes time regardless it takes time so to start getting to say until you start and it's m shabas until you can start appearing and then you start to set up the whole dining room so if it works out to eat the suit at a different place would be would be a let's try to see if we could speak about now more in the sud shabas being that we're running now with the time of real briefly a few minutes but the shabas morning suda for that you're going to have to dve in early now it's a separate sh is a separate Shear I'm not going into it not now I don't know if it'll work out to be a sheer on that is mat mat egg matah the ra says that we don't eat egg matah but maybe P what's about that's a separate discussion but let's go with from now till the end of this year that the only thing you can eat to be so for the shabas morning sud you have to eat the you don't have to bench but you have to eat the before 10:21 so if you usually ding at 8:30 and you finish at 10:30 you're gonna have to D earlier not you have to D earlier CLA that's not it's not a it's not a you have to D earlier that's CL we want to stay focused though we have to have to have an earlier it's so important to that doesn't is a lot doesn't eat a of PES so he should be able to eat Le means that somebody that is going to eat a little bit a of p is not able to eat P night he shouldn't e p however that if you can't play around withas eat theas be careful don't eat a lot and we do the best of Le so the sud shabas in the morning you have to get DAV early and eat to Su the shabas that's CL let's go now to sh and with this I'm going to conclude I'm sorry for going a bit overtime but next week is going to be already a different inion so let's just finish upab not long the time of is when is after says if he eat in the morning there's also another reason to eat later says that every sud comes after a after a so Friday night after the May of shabas morning so sh comes after that's neay even if you want to eat sh this week 5:00 in the afternoon and they go later before but even without the is in the afternoon so it's in the afternoon so what do you do over here the afternoon you can no longer eat so what do you do the answer is the answer is clearly like what the Rama says the Rama needs to come and help us because the B you could eat egg mat the Rama says not to eat egg mat so what do you what say every shabas every shabas every shabas yeah what but if somebody wants to eat a regular sh regularly so what do you do so you eat BOS do or pis says you could drink wine but if you drink wine you have to know there's another says that you shouldn't drink a little bit of wine because it makes a person full so a lot of wine a person should drink a lot of wine the says that a or that's not that's not that's still fine so good you eat BOS pis that's y if you eat gabro so that's that's even better because then you have misus misus is is always a better more more if you eat eat sud or anytime you eat the suda you should before which is roughly around 410 that's regardless that's anytime any shabas Young that you want to eat you know shabas is sud you're supposed to eat it before shus this is only given for sh not for shab day not for the sh sud what about the shabas day sud so L is like this it's only sh that you don't have a braid where you can't eat pass you don't want to wake up at 8:30 I don't know if that's uh if a person over sleep so then the shabas morning suit also be boss of a do but really you're supposed to eat pass reg it's not to be you could eat cake shabas morning 100% is more lent plus you don't have a bra so shabas morning for the first sud you have to go out of your comfort zone and get up early is in the afternoon however just to conclude again sorry a few minutes over just to conclude is in the afternoon in the afternoon better like we mentioned 2:00 and then eat eat a regular suda chent a regular regular regular suda you just don't have the pass however what pretty much a lot of people know and that's not the of getting up early you have to get up early to eat the first sud even the first you have to get up early says it's a good thing to make a half sick and eat a wash again in the morning a second Su that's not really the says the of do in the afternoon to wash again but for this if you want to have this and get up early and you have to get up even earlier because I want to point out if you want to be M this washing again you can't just eat the sud shabas bench and wash again that's a you have to first of all change walk away from the suda and also you have to take a half sick says 30 minutes says 15 minutes but have to take a break that that's a a and that for people that can't not many W for this didn't wash again a second says not in the morning to wash so not to get mixed up the first getting up early for the first sud that's the to be able to have enough enough time to wash again just to conclude just to conclude with it's beautiful to split it up and it's beautiful and I want to point out on a regular you want to split the two sudas so it's it's it's you you even in the middle it's more and you have the eggs and you have the CH later it's very here it's really at 8 9:45 in the morning to have this it's but the morning Su that you have to get up early to have the morning just to conclude with a call it a ver from the we say this Mir we sing this that speaks about the the of Shas so we say which is speaking about that you let a run walk slowly and then another say we have three a ver but it's NE to this only to be able to be to have three sud to have to wash three times you have to be po by you have to take a break and take a walk every other time it's notate even when you want to split like you mentioned on it's nothing to do with rushing into another suda you have one suda 1:00 and then you go 3:00 and then 3:30 here you have to you have to take a a step out to be able to eat the Shas have a wonderful shabas thank you