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Welcome to Good Vibes, the podcast that
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Hello everyone and welcome back to the
good vibes podcast. Okay, so today we're
going to discuss puktess
and I am really really passionate about
this topic so I'm really excited to jump
in here. Okay, so test is tama.
So this loosely translates to she tastes
or perceives the good of her merchandise
and she doesn't turn off the lights. So
we're going to focus on the first part
of the puss which is the fact that she
perceives or tastes her merchandise. And
I'm going to kind of jump in here into
what that could mean. So firstly the
like direct translation is taste but the
das mikra says that time can also mean
to understand meaning she understands
her merchandise. So we know that even
though it it is translated as taste it
is also like a deeper version of it is
that she understands. So what does that
mean? What merchandise is she exactly
understanding? Let's say is it like her
field that she owns or her sewing
machine that she has? What is she
actually understanding? So the miri
brings down and he says that it's
referring to her own merchandise, her
merchandise of herself, her
characteristics, her strengths. She
knows her positive characteristics. She
knows her own good. She knows what she's
worth and she knows her strengths. She
knows the value that she brings and that
she's worthy. She knows that she is
worthy regardless of what she does. So
to me this teaches so much about the
Aishas Kyle because it's so telling that
the A is a sky is somebody who knows
herself. Not only does she know herself
but she knows her strengths.
She knows not only her flaws and all but
also her skills. She's in touch with
herself. She knows her positive
characteristics and she knows her own
good. She knows herself. She's in
connection with herself. And to me,
that's so telling about the Isaskle that
the A is Kyle is somebody who takes the
time to know herself and takes the time
to understand who she is and what her
strengths are and what her weaknesses
are. I remember hearing a quote from the
altar of Kelm that goes something like
this. I'm just going to say the English
that says woe is to a man that does not
know his flaws. But a double woe like
even more so to somebody who doesn't
know their strengths, which we know how
important it is to know our flaws
because from our flaws, it's where we
grow. It's where we connect more to
Hashem. It's what we could build. It's
what we can, you know, fix. And it's our
aod amidos, let's say. But even more
than that, if you don't know your
strengths, if you don't know what it is
that you have to offer, if you don't
know what it is that Hashem gave you
specifically to give to the world, and
if you don't know, then you can never,
you know, utilize that. It seems to me
like knowing yourself is a prerequisite
of being anious Kyle. knowing yourself
and therefore knowing your flaws and
knowing your strengths and I want to put
an emphasis on the strengths aspect
because that's what the Pak talks about
is a pre-erequisite to being an asshy
that we've spoken about and that we will
immort speaking about. If you don't know
yourself then how could you be this as
Kyle? How could you be this dream of a
woman this ideal woman that we strive to
be in our own ways? And I would also add
that knowing yourself is the foundation
and it leads to self-esteem. And if you
don't know yourself and if you aren't
connected to yourself and if you don't
know your strengths and your flaws and
your approach to that and again your
connection to yourself then your
self-esteem can't grow from there. Your
self-esteem comes from first while you
know your connection and you know
yourself. So with that, luckily I have
an expert in the field of self-esteem
and self-growth. Her name is Kaya Tab
and Kayatab is a staff clinician at the
CBT DBT center. Kaya has held positions
in case management and clinical
capacities working extensively with
adults diagnosed with various conditions
and offering both individual and group
therapy. Her experience also includes
significant work with adults having
substance use disorders. Kaya is
passionate about building strong
alliances with her clients. Kai believes
that clients should guide the treatment
process. She is dedicated to using
evidence-based approaches, including but
not limited to CBT, DBT, and ACT,
supporting clients through the
challenging and transformative
therapeutic journey. So, as you just
heard, Kaya is very knowledgeable and
has experience in this area. So with
Hashem's help, Kai is going to enlighten
us on this topic of knowing yourself and
knowing your flaws and knowing your
strengths and how that lead to
developing self-esteem. So welcome Kaya
and thank you so much for joining us.
>> Thank you. I'm excited to be here.
>> Okay, so let's hear your thoughts on
first of all like what this pas is
saying and this overall idea of knowing
yourself and being connected to yourself
and knowing your flaws, specifically
your strengths. I want to hear your
thoughts on that.
Yeah, so many thoughts. I would start, I
guess, because I'm a therapist and most
often when I'm meeting people, it's
because there's a problem in this area.
So, my first thought is what gets in the
way of us knowing our results, right?
What gets in the way of us knowing our
strengths, being able to see our own
good? And to me, that usually centers on
a problem of like low self-esteem,
right? Or negative beliefs about
ourselves. And I personally am trained
in a CBT type of approach. CBT is
cognitive behavioral therapy and
different like modalities that are based
off of that. And they all kind of are
underpinned by this theoretical
framework of thoughts, feelings, and
actions making up like who we are. And
that all of these impact each other. So
we view it as like a triangle and and
like just picture a triangle with you
know thoughts at one point, feelings at
another point and then actions at the
other point. And the idea is that these
three like areas are areas in which we
can like you know impact or affect some
kind of change and then it impacts all
the other parts.
>> So if I change the way I think it will
change the way I feel and the way I act
and the same goes for any of the other
parts. So when someone comes in with
some kind of problem or some kind of
issue, I like to look at it through that
kind of framework. Like what is
happening here? Let's break it down into
these three areas. So when we say things
like low self-esteem or low
self-confidence, these are like big
phrases
that carry so much weight and actually I
just think of it as you know usually a
problem within one of these three areas
or all three. And primarily what comes
to my mind is the idea of the thoughts,
right? That often times our low
self-esteem or our low self-confidence
comes from certain thoughts we have
about ourselves. And often times it can
be these can be really like deep core
beliefs we have about ourselves,
>> right? Something that maybe we've been
telling ourselves since we were kids.
>> Yes. Yeah. And that's exactly I was
going to say next is that nobody's
really born with low self-esteem, right?
Nobody comes into the world thinking
they're terrible at something or bad at
something. It's usually messages we've
gotten either explicit, you know,
messages from people or more implicit
messages. Just we've tried something and
it hasn't worked. And so we develop
these beliefs about ourselves and
they're so subconscious sometimes that
we don't even realize we're telling
ourselves certain things. I think about
like when we make a mistake and we'll
say to, you know, we'll say to ourselves
something like, "Oh my gosh, I can't
believe I was so stupid." Right.
>> Right. And I I have clients sometimes to
picture like a friend calling you up and
telling you that they made that mistake
and you telling them, "Oh my gosh,
you're so stupid."
>> We we would never say that to our friend
like it just it's not a way we speak,
right? Or I'm a failure. I'm a mess or
why can't I get my ass together? You
would never say that to someone, right?
We never say like you are a mess.
>> Yet we say it to ourselves,
>> right? We say it to ourselves all the
time. And it's helpful to understand how
thinking that thought will actually
follow the triangle will make us feel a
certain way. It will probably make us
feel really bad about ourselves. It'll
make us feel sad. It'll make us feel
down. And often times it'll affect the
way we act. It'll affect the way we, you
know, how present we are in our lives
and what we choose to do. I just want to
like break this down like you're saying
that self-esteem almost can be broken
down into this triangle of thoughts,
feelings, and actions which again like
what you were saying like we say
self-esteem and self-confidence and
breaking it down into bite-sized
thoughts, feelings, and actions even
though obviously those are like not
actually bite-sized but something
smaller is much more digestible and that
again imagining it as a triangle when we
our thoughts will affect not always but
we're saying it has the potential to our
thoughts can potentially affect our
feelings and our actions and also vice
versa. Meaning our feelings can also
affect our thoughts and our actions.
This one almost is like the most
interesting to me is that like our
actions can affect our thoughts and our
feelings. Meaning even if you tell me
I'm just like speaking here but you tell
me if I'm hitting you know something
that if you do let's say someone does
not feel like worthy like does not feel
worthy of getting up getting dressed you
know facing the day treating themselves
it doesn't mean like getting manicures
all day but feeling worthy to go out
with friends feeling worthy to make
yourself a proper lunch to nourish
yourself feeling worthy of basic human,
you know, feeling worthy enough to get
into bed early enough to make sure that
you're going to get sleep, feeling
worthy enough. But these actions, even
if you don't feel or think, you know,
your thoughts are going against that, if
you take action of taking care of
yourself proactively in ways that you
haven't in the past. So that those
actions themselves can impact the way
that you think and that you feel about
yourself. Is that true? Can you explain
that more?
>> Totally. Yes. So that's a big area that
we focus on as well in therapy very
often because thoughts are important and
we can often target that and sometimes
we need to go straight to the actions
like what it is that you're doing in
your life. It's actually you're totally
acting in line with this low self-esteem
and maybe we can do a different kind of
action here even if you're like you're
saying you're not feeling it but just
doing that action can actually change
the way you feel. So if you're, you
know, feeling down and you just want to
lay in your bed the whole day and
instead you get up and you get dressed
and you put on your feet and you go out,
often times you'll feel better. And
that's the action itself like that part
of the triangle working the other way
and you might have different thoughts.
So absolutely it works in every
direction. And not to say that if
you're, you know, feeling very down and
you get dressed, so then like all your
worries and woes are going to be gone,
but you're sending a message to yourself
saying like, I can do this. I deserve
this. I'm going to do it. I'm going to
put on my shel and I'm going to get
going.
>> I think that it's important to point out
that often times we do need to act and
change our thoughts when we don't
necessarily want to. It's often
important just to understand how this
isn't effective for me. I might want to
land. I might want to think to myself,
I'm so stupid. But we take the approach
of, is this working for you? Is this
effective for you? Are you showing up in
your life in a better way because you're
having this scar or because you're doing
this action? And if the answer is no,
then we want to think about changing it.
So, it's not always like, oh, I want to
change or I want to tackle this really
difficult area in my life and therefore
I'm going to do it. Sometimes motivation
just comes from it's not working for me.
A lot of people end up hitting I don't
want to say rock bottom but something
like that or hitting like a low in their
life and being like this isn't me. This
isn't what I want. So how does one let's
say someone who is hearing this and is
almost like hearing this concept of
thoughts and feelings and actions for
the first time and it's kind of opening
the door of getting to know themselves
like before we even get to the part of
changing one of the three and how it
impacts us like changing one of the
three points in the triangle and helping
our self-esteem.
How would you guide someone who might
not be in touch with their thoughts,
feelings or their actions? How would you
as a therapist encourage someone or
guide someone to get in touch? Because I
feel like you first need to be in touch
with your thoughts and feelings and
actions before we start talking about
this magical triangle of self-esteem.
>> Totally. So we actually in therapy we
often will do like formal tracking
meaning like
>> what does that mean actual it's like an
actual worksheet or an actual assessment
that you fill out every day you would
actually track like you know we have
feelings we have the action part
>> oh my gosh they should do this in
elementary school this is like tools for
life
>> there are people there is actually like
DBT skills that have been like made into
a course for elementary schools
>> really that's so Cool.
>> Yeah. So, it's really put in place,
meaning like these kind of formal tools
we use when they're necessary and like
in a therapeutic environment and it you
can do them for yourself. Even at the
end of the day, just sit down and think
about like, you know, what were my
emotions today? Like tracking certain
emotions and you know, did I notice any
thoughts coming up more often, right?
And we want to start just like tapping
into it a little bit. So, it's about
just mindful awareness. Yeah. a little
bit more awareness and if necessary
doing some sort of like formal tracking
which is what we do in you know in
therapy with clients.
>> Do you feel like clients respond well to
the formal tracking and really learn
more about what their feelings and their
thoughts are and their actions?
>> Absolutely.
>> As always with everything in life, you
get out whatever you input. So if
somebody listening to this wants to do
something like this, could they just
probably like Google that type of
worksheet?
>> Yeah, absolutely. You can Google like a
diary card it's called in BBC or even
like CBT also has different worksheets
to like track your thoughts based on a
situation. I would encourage if you're
really trying to build up the skill to
do it like once a day on one situation.
So notice like let's say one situation
that was difficult that day and break it
down into what happened what was my
thought about it what was my feeling
what did I do and then by doing this
over time every day even just with one
situation it could be even a positive
situation you'll start to notice the
thoughts that come up more
>> even just being like this is what the
pus was talking about knowing yourself
and obviously then leading to like you
were saying a positive situation of
knowing your strengths and knowing how
you dealt with that in terms of thoughts
feelings in actions. But this is like
this is if somebody wants to get to know
themselves more, this seems like such a
great tool, a practical and not
something expensive or super hard. Like
you can do this even if you aren't going
to go to therapy and learn more about
yourself, but just googling a worksheet
like this and tracking over time seeing
like this happened. What were my
thoughts? What were my emotions? What
were my actions? I'm imagining that if
you do this over time and you see how
you're almost like patterns. So if you
are acting in a way that you maybe later
on regret tracking it will help you
change that eventually. Even like almost
like subconsciously like even if you
aren't going to like say like okay next
time I'm not going to do that but just
being more aware. That's so interesting.
Okay. Is there anything else except for
something like a formal tracking like
worksheet like we're saying to learn
more about your thoughts, feelings, and
actions.
Do you have anything else to recommend
to get to know yourself more? I think
that it's very known nowadays that
knowing yourself and therapy and all
these things, it was not as common in
previous generations. It was not as
something that was as attainable for
sure, not something had more of a stigma
around it. So even if someone was raised
in a beautiful home with lovely parents
and and a healthy environment, it could
be that they just don't know themselves
so much and even more so for somebody
who was raised with parents or an
environment that was not as accepting.
So except for this formal tracking, is
there anything else that someone in any
of those situations can do to help
themselves better? Even just like
connect even I would say like let's put
the triangle on hold for a second of
like the thoughts, feelings, and
actions. Even just like getting to know
like what your likes and what your
dislikes are. Like what do you enjoy
doing? What would you do if you had just
like a free empty day? What is your
favorite color? What is your favorite
food?
>> Yeah. So, we hope that people have some
kind of understanding of these things.
And you're right that some people really
don't. And so, what I would say is I
honestly would go back to the trying on
the tracking because you can notice for
yourself when something feels good, when
something feels meaningful, when you
feel a certain sense of fulfillment from
something or just a sense of like
enjoyment, like I saw something nice and
sometimes we're not in touch with that,
right? So, we're like, "Oh, I don't know
what flavor ice cream I like." Okay. So,
stand at the ice cream store and try
every single flavor and see how you feel
about that. Like, it's totally okay to
try that.
>> And I think that someone might be
listening to this and like, why does
like a grown woman need to try every
single flavor in the ice cream store? I
think that it's important to give
yourself the opportunity to not only
enjoy life and whatever Hashem has given
us in life, obviously, but it's
important. Why does it not matter? Like,
it's so exciting to enjoy the little
things in life. So you are deserving of
knowing what it is that you enjoy. What
speaks to you more? What type of weather
do you enjoy more? And I think that like
obviously the thoughts, feelings, and
actions are so much more like concrete
in terms of our self-esteem and it
builds up our self-esteem.
>> We talk about mindfulness all the time
with DBT. And within DBT, there are
skills that are revolve around like
lowering our vulnerability to intense
emotions. And those include, you know,
taking care of ourselves, having a set
routine, doing things that are
pleasurable, right? Like finding
pleasant activities. And actually, if
you look up like DBT handouts, there's a
list of hundreds of things that they
give you, like ideas of pleasant
activities that you can try. And when
you're in a DBT skills group, we give
you a homework for that week to try
those things out. So yes, that's an
essential part and I would say it's a
part of the triangle or maybe like what
you're saying it it comes like right
before that like it's part of the
environmental factors, right?
>> Yeah. It's all connected. It's almost
like all mushed up.
>> It's certainly a huge aspect of our
mental health, of our emotional health,
our physical health, and our spiritual
health. did it put us in this world to
just go through it mindlessly. No,
actually we're supposed to enjoy certain
parts of it and that's on purpose. And
so being able to tap into it is healing
and therapeutic in itself. Totally.
>> I also I mean this is just coming from
me, not from anyone much bigger than me,
but I really think Hashem enjoys when we
enjoy. Obviously within the framework of
hashkafa, it's like a parent seeing
their kid enjoy. Of course, it's
something that gives you and it's not
what life is all about. But life is not
all about bubbles and ice cream, but
it's something that helps fuel us. And I
think it's a critical part in getting to
know yourself. Getting to know yourself
with a almost like the not intense
things. There we go. Like to get to know
yourself when it things is like not
intense. And then getting to know
yourself also when things that are more
serious and heavier.
>> Let's say you have a client that's
really having a hard time with their
self-esteem. And obviously we're taking
a huge topic here and crunching it down
to a triangle and a very short podcast,
but what would you know with the formal
tracking and with this idea that your
actions, feelings, and thoughts all
connect with each other, like what would
be the next step if somebody's tracking
that whether they're doing it by
themselves or with a therapist, can you
walk us through how that affects
self-esteem?
>> Sure. Yeah. So, I would start, let's
say, let's start with the thoughts part.
And so if you know someone notices that
when they make a mistake, the thought
that comes up for them all the time is
like I'm so stupid or I just can't do
anything right. And so we have two
options when we notice that there are
thoughts that we don't really want. We
do two things. Number one is we can
either kind of what we call diffusion
meaning like separate from the thought.
And this is a really helpful tool where
we explain like a thought is a thought.
It doesn't ask to continue that
triangle. Like I can say to myself, "Oh,
I just had a thought that I'm stupid."
And like a balloon, like I'm holding on
to a balloon. I can choose to just like
let go of it and like see it float away.
That would be called diffusion, which is
like not attaching ourselves to our
thought,
>> right? A thought is a thought and it
doesn't need to be like a life sentence
or exactly a belief.
>> Or we can choose to challenge that
thought directly. Just like we go to
battle with that thought like, "Oh my
gosh, I'm so stupid and then we're like,
are you stupid?" Like you ask yourself,
am I stupid? I don't know like I
graduated college. I helped my child
with his math homework. Like I don't
think I'm stupid. Right? And what we're
doing when we're challenging is that
we're noticing how extreme the belief is
in one direction. I am stupid. That's
all-encompassing. That is very black and
white and very extreme.
>> Right?
>> And any belief that is very extreme, we
want that to be like an alarm for us
like, hey, that's not right. That can't
be right. And I think that's what the
puppet is saying, right? Like there's
good like we want to be able to see the
good in a very balanced way. And if
we're only seeing things so negatively
and so extreme to one end and of course
we can't notice good, right? And
actually noticing good might be the
antidote to that, right? Noticing that
hey, there is a more balanced approach I
could take. I'm not all bad. I'm not all
stupid, right? I'm not only a failure.
And so one of the first tools I tell
people to use is like just stating the
facts, right? So let's say you you burnt
your supper, right? And instead of
saying like, "Oh my gosh, I'm so stupid.
I literally can't make dinner." Like,
"Can't believe I did that. Biggest step
back." What happened?
>> Put the chicken in the oven, turned it
on to 400, and I thought,
>> right?
>> And when you say it like that, often
times like it takes out all that
emotional energy.
>> What's behind it?
>> Right? So people say like, "Oh, how do I
replace the thought?" That's a very good
replacement is like that statement and
that statement now I have a way to fix
that right now I have a way forward
instead of I'm just so stupid
>> right set a timer oh okay fine next time
I'll set a timer
>> exactly this reminds me of the idea of
like karata and people think it means
like beat yourself up and actually
that's the opposite of what we want
because when you beat yourself up or get
into this extreme negative thought
process you're paralyzed that's what we
call in therapy inaffected shame it
makes you just want to hide Like I don't
want to do anything about this,
>> right? Like how can I ever be better?
>> Exactly. And actually ineffective shame
we always say gets in the way of
effective guilt. Harata is effective
guilt. It means I did something wrong
here. How can I fix it in the future?
What can I do differently? That's
movement, right? Ineffective shame.
Yeah. And then those negative like self
talk or thoughts that we have are
paralyzing. They don't let us move. So
they don't let us get to Sakura. We
can't we can't get there because we're
so stuck in you know I'm just that or I
just can't.
>> Okay. So that's thoughts and then let's
say a feeling comes up then how do you
process that?
>> Yeah. So feelings we want to decide with
our feelings. People sometimes take
issue with this but it's just the
terminology. Does it fit the facts or
does it not? What does that mean? So we
know that every emotion is valid. That's
like the starting point. Yeah.
Everything is valid. Every thought is
val. Every emotion is out, every action
is out. That's our starting point in
therapy because it's happening for a
reason. It's not that this is coming up
for no reason. So when a feeling comes
up, it's valid. That's like first
starting point. And then we want to ask
ourselves, is it fitting the facts of
the situation? Right? If the fact is
that I burnt my chicken, is the fitting
emotion to feel shame and feel like I am
bad? I would question that, right? Is
that actually fitting the facts? But if
let's say somebody, you know, god
forbid, lost a loved one and they feel
really sad yet that's actually fitting
the fact, right? Or if they did
something wrong to somebody else and
they're feeling guilty, is it actually
fitting the fact? So the first question
we have with feelings, is it fitting the
fact or not? Right? Is it helpful for me
or effective for me to feel this emotion
based on what happened? And then we
decide what we want to do with that
emotion. So, we can either go with the
emotion like if you know, god forbid you
lost someone and they're feeling sad,
you know, go with that emotion like cry,
feel the sadness, like, you know, go
into yourself. That's what sadness is.
If you know there's a smoke alarm going
off and there's a fire so and you feel
fear, go with that fear, like run, hide,
do whatever you need to do. And if it's
not plain the facts, like if I am a
crumpled nest of tears on my kitchen
floor cuz my supper burnt, I might want
to bring myself back to those facts and
say like, "Okay, this is what happened.
I'm feeling this
>> almost like a reality check." Not in
like a mean way.
>> Yeah. And also do what we call opposite
action. It's acting opposite to what the
emotion wants you to do. It's actually
literally doing the opposite. And people
get caught up in that.
>> Oh, but you're supposed to feel your
emotions and you don't want to like numb
your emotions, but actually we didn't,
right? Because we felt it. We validated
it. Okay, this is the emotion that's
there. And now we're saying, well, what
do I want to do? Do I want to be a
crumble mess on my floor? Or like when
our children make us angry? Do I want to
yell and lose it, right? No. So, I might
want to do the opposite, right? I might
want to like gently approach my child
and cop in a really low voice. And like
that will actually change the feeling. I
will be less angry if I do that. And
that kind of goes into actions of like
changing the action that you are going
to do like we were saying before of
changing the actions even when you don't
think it or don't feel it.
>> What you're pointing out is important
meaning the feelings realm is often
changing it. We need to do either the
thoughts part or the actions part
>> which is why it's so interrelated. Like
it's we're going through thoughts,
feelings, and actions. But really it's a
different approach. It's like when
you're having a thought, when you're
having a feeling, when you're doing an
action, you're approaching it
differently. But like the example you
just gave, when we have a feeling, we're
not saying no, don't have that feeling.
We have that feeling. We accept it. It's
valid. And the way that we're going to
help ourselves cope and either like when
you said, if it's fitting with the
facts, we're going to cry if it's
cryworthy, you know, according to the
facts, quote unquote, or we're going to
do an action, which again, we're taking
the feelings into the action, which
helps us um process and change in the
direction we want to go to.
>> Exactly. Yes. Absolutely. And so the
self-esteem point of, you know,
challenging those thoughts, maybe even
doing things for ourselves or trying
things out, that is how we work through
the problem of low self-esteem. And once
we're doing that, right, once we're
noticing, here's where I'm getting stuck
in my low self-esteem. Now I can change
it. Now I can help myself. And it might
feel hard, right? That comes out
automatically. Like people are like, I
can't control my thought. They just come
out. That's absolutely true. And I view
it as like Arnoc is in the moment right
after.
>> I have that thought and now I can choose
what I want to do with that. Right.
>> Right. It's not I'm driving this bus. I
can control what I the way I think. And
if I do it enough like consistently
enough over time
>> actually those thoughts will start to
show up less. They really will.
>> Beautiful.
>> And do you feel like clients end up
having like a pattern like one person
might struggle significantly more with
thoughts or one more with actions, one
more with feelings?
Yeah, I do think that some people are
more are like, you know, show up with
more like of a cognitive based problem
and some people struggle with more like
an action problem. It also depends on
the depth of the person.
>> Right. Right. No, it's it's complex.
>> Yeah. I thought you were going to go in
the direction of like do people have
themes about where they have low
self-esteem and low self-confidence? And
that is for sure. And I would just put
in here that like everybody has areas
where we struggle with our self-esteem
and our self-confidence. Every single
person. and you can work on it and you
can totally you know change it and I
think a lot of for a lot of us as wives
and mothers it comes up like these areas
like whether it's homemaking or what
type of mother you are what type of
white you are whether you're doing
things right your house is clean enough
like these are really strong area where
some of these thoughts
>> right right that's so interesting I'm
really liking how this huge topic of
self-esteem can be broken down to this
triangle that is much more just
accessible to every person
>> and it works on the flip side too. If
you want to feel more positive thoughts
and feel more positive emotions about
yourself, you would do the same thing
when you do things that you can be proud
of or even just small little things like
can you pump those up? Like put supper
on the table and say to yourself like,
"Hey, I just gave my children food to
nourish their souls." You know, like
really pump up the positive. Like look
at that. I just did that or I just
helped that person. I just gave that
person a compliment.
>> And that goes back to the puck of
strengths and that like the puzz is
deliberately talking about the good of
her merchandise, the good of herself,
the strengths. This whole topic really
reminds me about in pavos says is mako
who's the wise man, the one who knows
his place and is familiar with his
place. That doesn't mean that everything
is amazing with everybody's self-esteem.
It means that I know where I am. I know
my flaws. I know my strengths and know
myself. And that is the basis of
knowing. When you know yourself, you're
in a relationship with yourself. The
same way that I mean, but when we're in
a relationship with Hashem, we talk to
Hashem, with a spouse or with a friend
or with your children even, you are
having a relationship. And when you give
yourself the opportunity and the choice
to have a relationship with yourself,
then you get to know yourself. You get
to know where you're holding. You get to
know your flaws and ultimately your
strengths which the plastic is telling
us is so important and we see from what
you were telling us kaya that it's when
we know ourselves we can tap into this
triangle and work on our self-esteem and
only when we know ourselves and we
relate to ourselves and we know what our
flaws are and we know what our strengths
are can we work more on our you can't
work on your midos if you don't know
what midos you need to work on. If you
don't know that you're good at, you
can't possibly be fulfill the potential
of doing the that Hashem wants you to do
and and so on and so forth. You know, I
really do look at it as like a base of
before. It's a prerequisite in my mind.
>> Yes. Yeah. And it's I think I would
break it down into like the awareness
say like what am I thinking? What am I
scaling? What am I doing? And once I
know that what do I want to change,
right? What do I want to tweak? What do
I want to amplify? And then I hopefully
get to this place of balance, real
balance, where I'm not having extreme
negative thoughts. I'm going to try to
utilize my strengths. And I think that's
where our ability to be strong wives and
mothers comes from. Doesn't come from
perfection. It doesn't come from being
ourselves up. It comes from this very
beautiful balance of Hashem created me
with these strengths. Hashem created me
with weaknesses. He created me with
negative thoughts. He created me with
positive thoughts. and then I can choose
where I want to go with this.
>> And we can only choose that when we
first know ourselves. It kind of reminds
me of how the Torah was given on Hari.
It wasn't given on the highest and most,
you know, like sought after mountain and
it wasn't given in a valley because
Hashem was trying to teach us that in
order to accept Torah and in in order to
to live Torah, you have to know your
strengths. We're not hotti and gyc, but
we also don't need to look at ourselves
in a negative depressed way. And that's
why I gave it on Hari, which was the
perfect balance, right? Growing into the
people that Hashem wants us to be and
knows that we can be with our strengths.
First, learning about ourselves and
learning about our strengths and then
ultimately tapping into that. That's so
beautiful. Well, thank you so so much,
Kaya, for joining us. And if you want to
hear more about the work Kaya does, as
well as the work of the CBT DBT center,
you can contact them through the contact
page on their website. The website is
www.thecbtdbtcenter.com
and then on that site you will be able
to contact not only Kaya but the
clinic as well. Thank you so much Kaya
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