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Hello everyone and welcome back. Today
we're going to be speaking about
pakress. I'm actually so excited to talk
about this topic and this lesson because
it just may be the most practical topic
we've discussed so far. I would say
practical and relevant or at least I
feel like a broad spectrum of people are
really going to relate to it. I think
that it's just such a relatable topic
for so many women wherever we find
ourselves in life. So here we go. Okay.
So states
it's very interesting. The literal
translation is that she girds her loins
with might and strengthens her arm.
Right? Like I said that's a little
interesting. That's a little bit like
what does that even mean? So we're going
to explore it but at face value that's a
very interesting which honestly it
sounds like almost like just a
description of something we are going to
delve into it. So let's look at what
loin girding and arm strengthening
actually mean on a deeper level. So on
this puzz so the brings down how the
lash that he uses isma
she overcomes and rises above by herself
to continue doing what she needs to be
done. That's the lashon that he uses
that's the wording that he uses that she
within herself finds the strength the
mabaris comes from the lush of gura of
strength she finds the courage and the
strengths within herself to to overcome
and to continue doing what she needs to
do. Meaning this lushon of girds her
loins and strengthens her arm is talking
about how she has challenges. It's not
that she doesn't. The isas kyle very
much has challenges but she has it
within herself her strength. She draws
strength from herself draws courage and
rises above and keeps pushing forward.
The the malam says that this is in all
aspects of life. Her home life her work
life hernas life all aspects. The as
Kyle is someone who has the strength
within herself and has the tools and the
self-awareness and the resources to be
able to bring that strength forth and
continue pushing forward, continue
moving forward even when something hard
comes her way, which inevitably
something hard is going to come her way.
I think this also teaches us that
sometimes like the western world of like
a wife is sitting at home and getting
her nails done and drinking coffee,
which I'm a big fan of coffee and nails.
I'm not, you know, bashing that at all,
but as if the wife, the western version
of uh an Asia Kyle, quote unquote,
doesn't have any challenges and
everything comes easy to her. And we see
from here so clearly like not only is
that not true, she does have challenges
and she has the strength to overcome
these challenges and she has the courage
within herself to rise above, to find
the strength within herself to keep
pushing forward. So with that deeper
understanding of a seemingly strange act
of girding loins and arm strengthening,
we can now understand what this pusk is
coming to teach us. The asyle taps into
the power within herself, the strength,
the resources, and she overcomes the
challenges to keep moving forward. And
like I said at the beginning, I think
this is such a practical lesson, such a
practical tool because we all do this.
We all do this to some extent at one
time or another. At times, we all put
one foot in front of the other in front
of the other just because that's what we
need to do. And in many areas of our
lives, we try to get out of this rut. We
try to get out of it. And we're still
going. And we're still going. We're
putting one foot in front of the other,
in front of the other, trying to find
strength within ourselves to keep
pushing forward, to keep moving forward.
And we hope or we aim to at least try to
shift from survival mode to thriving.
Sometimes we can, sometimes we can't. I
I feel like I guess it depends on the
situation. But as women in whatever
stage of life we are we're in, Hashem
throws something our way that he
believes we can overcome and he believes
is part of our tough to overcome this
and that we have it within ourselves to
overcome it. And that's what we do. We
go we find the strength within ourselves
and we put again like I said we put one
foot in front of the other. So luckily I
have here with me Mrs. Brown to shed
some light on this topic. This idea of
courageously moving forward, the
hardship in all areas of our lives and
finding the strength within, locating
that and having the ability to bring it
out into our lives. So Mrs. Julie
D'vorah Brown is a kala teacher, EFT
practitioner, life coach, and proud
mother of 11. Married for over 40 years.
With warmth and wisdom, she helps Jewish
married women who feel stuck in their
relationships, reconnect to their own
strength, and upgrade their marriages
even when their husbands aren't actively
on board. So, thank you so much, Julie
Zavara, for being here with us. I'm so
excited to hear what you have to share
and add on this puzz.
>> It is an honor to be here and uh let's
get to it.
>> Okay. Amazing. So maybe you can start
off by telling us a bit about your
thoughts on this topic in general. What
do you think about it? How do you deal
with this topic in your line of work and
the women that come to you?
>> It's a very very very good question.
First of all, the point here that I
think I need to mention is we don't need
to be super women. And I think part of
the problem is we go to either extreme.
either we're going to be the superwoman
or we're going to be I don't know I'm
not talking bad about anybody. I'm just
being a little bit um graphic depressed
and stay in bed all day. In other words,
like we go to either extreme. We don't
know how to be in the middle and
function on a in a balanced way. So,
what I would like to say about with the
women that I work with, I was thinking
to myself, I'm so lucky. You know, the
marriage that I have with my husband is
quite nice. He's a really nice guy and
uh I'm really lucky. So like why I'm in
this line of work? It's not like I'm
traumatized or anything and like oh I'm
bouncing back and therefore I'm going to
help the whole world. It's from the
people that I see that I feel so bad
that these women when they look at their
marriages or their life in general it's
kind of like
>> so hard. It's really so so hard. I don't
want anybody to have to feel that way
about their lives at all. And yes there
are hard things that are happening in
our lives but we don't have to feel like
it's a heavy burden. we can look at it
like a challenge and halivi to be able
to look at it like an opportunity. So
basically if a woman comes and whether
it's a student or whether it's a client
and their perspective their perspective
is basically what needs a little bit of
an upgrade and I am going to very very
um respectfully hold space for where
that woman is right here and right now.
And with that respect I'm going to help
her respect herself where she is right
here and right now. And I believe that
through the recognizing and
acknowledging where she's at without all
the stories running in her mind and all
the justifications and all the
righteousness just to acknowledge right
here, right now I feel confused, angry,
sad, um, fearful, whatever it might be.
I believe that's the opening to where
she can then yes dip into her inner
strength and her inner courage because
that's what this puss is all about
strength and courage O's and so it's
something that that's what I end up
doing I help them accept who they are
and where they are and at the same time
because of that they'll be able to tap
into what they're really made of. I was
meeting with a client just recently and
uh we were saying you know life happens
life is going to continue to happen. So
even when things are wonderful and great
rather than say to yourself oh when's
the other shoe going to drop
>> um to embrace and be grateful for what I
do have. Now that's very clichéish and
you can't tell that to somebody that's
you know living in through a very
difficult time right but we do
we say please Hashem don't want to be we
don't ask to be tested and of course we
know we're going to be tested but we say
we definitely ask Hashem don't test us
and as you said in the intro we're going
to have it it's going to happen in our
life and as long as this is the point
here as long as I recognize the strength
that hash Shem has given me
has made me according to his will and so
the strength that I have and are very
connected the connection that I have
with the desires that I have in my life
that I have to be connected to a bar
gives me an awful lot of power awful lot
of strength here I am I'm a human being
and I've got lots of challenges in my
life a lot I believe though that I'm
also a very hopeful person and I think
that's really helpful because I'm
hopeful and I'm very non-judgmental.
That's why I think those people that do
come to me appreciate coming to me
because I'm I'm not judgmental. I mean,
I've got my judgments. Don't worry about
that, girls. I've got my judgments, but
there I'm not too judgmental. And I
think that helps me with myself as well.
>> So, when I look at life and I look at
this puss, it is beautiful. It's you
have the O's and you have the omit. You
have the O's which is strength and you
have the omits which is which is
courage. Um a colleague of mine a
wonderful woman named Miriam Esther
Alman she has something called home
runners or something. I'm not quite sure
exactly what she calls it but she taught
something to me that I thought was
really beautiful that the word o in the
is in the word as aerdo.
So we are all called an azerdo. But
don't make a mistake girls. You're not
your husband's helper. He doesn't need
your help. What? He doesn't need your
help. No, no, no. He needs your
encouragement. He needs you to energize
him. And the word O's here and the word
Azer here means that you can energize.
So, let's go back to me as a person, I
need to first know how to do that for
myself. When I'm able to learn how to
energize myself and when I'm able to
find courage to be vulnerable with
myself and with others, I believe that I
can tap into what a kadesh bar is giving
me as a woman specifically, which is
this ability to with the pusk here that
says that I'm able then take my life's
challenges, events, opportunities,
problems,
>> and I'll be able to have what I need to
keep going. Okay, there's so much to
unpack. I'm so excited to to get into
this. The first thing that you said that
really caught my attention was how we
don't need to be superwoman. And I think
that is just whether you're in a stage
of life right now where this is
relatable to you or previously we all
know this phrase of being a superwoman.
And I think that we need to find the
balance of it. That's really the key.
Meaning and balance is going to look
different for every woman. No,
>> definitely. I agree with you. That's
true. It's a personal thing, isn't it?
>> It's a personal thing. And I think two
things that come to mind. First of all,
if it's such a personal thing, right?
It's not just like a blueprint where
I'm, you know, we're saying, okay, like
buy pizza once a week for every wife to
buy pizza once a week cuz that's not the
same thing. Maybe one person needs three
times easy supper and another person in
her stage of life right now doesn't.
It's a balance. It's different for every
person. And I think that the only way to
achieve that balance is being in touch
with yourself and knowing who you are
and being honest. And like you said,
knowing where you are right now, knowing
and saying, "I'm angry, I'm sad, I'm
scared. And you know what? Sometimes I'm
happy, sometimes I'm sad, sometimes I
have different emotions." And right now
in this stage of life, I need pizza
twice a week or I need more help or
whatever it is and the balance that she
can kind of concoct and create for
herself. And I also think that we have
this belief of like to be superwoman
everything has to be perfect. The way I
kind of see it and maybe superwoman
isn't the right word but this balance to
me is being superwoman. This balance of
what right here and right now is my
tough kid. What right here do I need to
put my efforts into? What is the most
important thing for me for my husband
for my family? Then when if we have more
khos then for kalisol right and once we
take care of our home we can start
thinking about we can start thinking
about the community and when I find that
balance and again it could be different
from week to week from day to day
depending on your life circumstances but
when you find that balance that to me is
like okay today I did my job as being
superwoman not that everything was
perfect not that everything was even
great not that everything was great or
not that everything was good the kids
were tantruming supper was not happening
laundry was not happening
I was grumpy at times, but you know
what? I did the best that I could in
that moment to ground myself, try to get
out of my funk and be the best wife and
the best mom that I could be in that
moment. Was it a great day? Maybe not.
But it was my superwoman of today. It
was my superwoman of right now. And
hopefully maybe tomorrow is going to be
better. But every day waking up and
saying, I'm going to find my balance,
whatever that is, and learning from my
mistakes and moving forward. But that
balance in my mind is being superwoman.
Being superwoman is not being perfect,
but being superwoman is finding this
balance that as a from Jewish woman wife
and mother is so hard. Our roles are
constantly changing. Our roles and our
responsibilities are it's so difficult.
But that balance is like the gold. It's
the superwoman in my eyes.
>> You said it so beautifully. You really
expressed yourself so so beautifully.
And I mean ladies out there, can't you
to relate to everything that Raali just
said? Doesn't that mamish land? Doesn't
it land in your heart and mind, heart
and soul?
>> And I think it's important a person
really has the responsibility to
themselves at the end of the day to be
able to say, "I did good."
>> And good enough. And it doesn't need to
be perfect. Good enough is good. And
sometimes I had I have a teacher in high
school that would always say like,
"Hashem is looking down and smiling at
you." And it's like if I had this day
and it was a hard day and like like I
said, you know, things were just not
happening. It was not a good day. I was
in a bad mood, but I did my best and I
tried and at the end of the day, the
kids were safe, the kids were happy, the
kids were secure, my husband was happy,
my husband was safe, my husband was
secure, I was doing the best that I
could. So, Hashem's smiling down at me,
even if it's not the greatest day, and
maybe for, you know, next week I need to
figure out a different technical setup.
But that balance of, you know, every day
trying to find that balance. Hashem is,
you tell me, you're the expert. But I
think that's what makes Hashem happy,
trying every day to serve him in the
best way that we could with that
balance.
>> Listen, I ain't no expert, lady. I'm not
an expert. I'm just a little bit older
than you. You know, I have I've been
around. Um, but I will say that when
you're in the thick of it, you really
you deserve to give yourself a pat on
the back as much as you can and whatever
you might need from your husband or your
children or your mom or your best
friend. If you know you need something,
then that makes you into a wise woman
that you know how to give that to
yourself. Again, I'm not speaking I do
this when I speak to my students.
>> I'm looking at you and I'm not saying
you're some JAT, you know, Jewish
American princess. You remember that
girls many few a couple decades ago the
you know that you know that's not
we're not dealing with selfish women
we're dealing with women
>> that are coming into themselves. You are
queens. We are princesses and we have to
remember to own that about ourselves.
And the way that you can fulfill your
potential is to make sure that you have
everything that you need. In the midbar
listen to this all girls listen to this.
in the midbar when we were going outside
to collect the mun for our family. Do
you know what you would receive from a
kadesh bar who was a gift? I like to say
it was your birthday and you go outside
and you find this beautiful package with
a beautiful bow on it. It says from a
bar, happy birthday. And you open it up
and you know what's there? You've got
jewelry and makeup. What in the mid
butter? We need a jewelry and makeup.
Yes. Those are the those are the tools
of a married woman. So, if you live on
two floors, if you have a beautiful home
and you have two floors, then I sure
hope you have a broom upstairs and a
broom downstairs because you need your
tools. So, whatever those tools are, you
have to figure that out. That's your
privilege to figure out what you need in
order to get yourself going every day
and have the energy to energize others
and have the courage to encourage
others. So, how do you practically teach
your the women that come to you to do
this? Meaning, you know, first of all, I
wonder if there's a difference between
O's and utsma. I'm not I I don't know
you maybe you can tell us, but
regardless, even if we're not going to
delve into that, how practically a woman
comes to you and she doesn't feel like
she can take care of her needs and she
doesn't feel like she has the strength
to keep going forward. So, how do you
help her and coach her through? Maybe
you can share with the audience some
tips and perspectives and tools of okay
I know that Hashem wants me to continue
but how but what where do I even go from
here? How do I find this internal
strength?
>> Right? So of course when you sit with a
therapist or a practitioner each one has
their tools that are in their toolbox.
So I like to right away go to whether
it's the belief that she has in her mind
which is definitely causing her to have
certain emotions in her body. So we try
to center in on the emotions that are
being generated because of the thoughts
that she has. And once she can hopefully
come to alleviate the intensity of the
emotion that she's having, then her
brain is back online and she'll be able
to analyze that belief that she might
have that is not serving her so much
anymore. That's how we do the therapy
that we do, how I work with her.
Otherwise, it's just very important for
her to stop and say, "Wait a second. Is
there something that I can do that can
help me? That's what I think. That's how
I look at it.
>> As you're speaking, I'm noticing that
there's almost like two components of
it. And please correct me if I'm
mistaken. There's the from what I hear,
the
emotional, mental work, the therapeutic
work if you will, where, like you were
saying, the beliefs and the emotion to
the beliefs feed off each other, which
as you said that I was like that is
mind-blowing. And I think that is so
powerful and that our beliefs and the
way that we selft talk channels into our
emotions and then our emotions channel
back into our beliefs and it becomes
this like figure eight of and when you
put a stop to the cycle when you don't
like the cycle and you want to change it
you change your beliefs you change your
emotions you change your emotions you
change your beliefs and it's a beautiful
it's just it's so eye opening and I just
wanted to touch on that for a minute but
that's one aspect and then the other
aspect is once we have that
Let's see if there's something
practically that we could do. Let's see
if, you know, if you need more help, if
you need more support, if you need more
time for yourself, is there anything?
I'm just throwing those out. You tell me
if there if it's something else that you
recommend. No,
>> you've got it, Raeli. You've got it.
You're momish. Spot on. That's what I'm
saying. That every woman has to come to
trust and believe that she knows what
she needs. I want you to know the person
that walks into my office, I want her to
come to believe that there's something
deep within her that that she knows is
right, that she knows that is what she
really needs. That to me, I believe
that's message to us. Meaning, you
believe that Hashem put it in every
woman. Like, it's something that we
innately know. It's almost intuitive.
And the way that I'm thinking about is
like sometimes like the smoke like
covers it up and like all the stuff that
are happening in our life are so you
know might block it but really
underneath it we know we can learn more
about it and we can tap into it but we
have it within ourselves to know what we
need. Is that what you're
>> definitely
the there's one of the so we see that
it's in plural there's so many different
amazing things out there to teach us
there's so many pieces of advice there's
so many helpers out there but I'm the
one that has to decide what's going to
be best for me in my home
>> oh that's so
>> it has to be that way I don't have to be
independent I grew up thinking
independent meant you don't need anybody
no I'm sorry that is not called being
independent being independent means that
I know how to stand on my on two feet
and get what needs to be done from, you
know, I'll say for my dollar amos. But
the fact that I can be interdependent is
also very important. I should be able to
work with another person,
>> right?
>> Be super dependent. We grow out of that,
God willing. We grow out of that when
we're younger. We become independent.
Then we become interdependent.
>> Oh, that's beautiful.
>> I believe that you, every one of you
ladies that are listening here have to
>> trust me, okay? Trust me. Trust me.
>> I trust Julie D'Vor.
>> It's within you. Yes, girls. It's within
you. But what do you said the great word
you said the word funk, right? All the
funk. Yeah. Not a word for my
generation. It's really I love it. But
there's a lot of funk, you know, and if
we can figure out how to get through the
smoke, then we'll be able to see
something more clearly. So what is the
smoke? The smoke certain thoughts that I
keep having repetitively. It's the story
that I'm telling myself. And the story
that I tell myself could be modified if
I'm able to, but sometimes so quickly it
causes me to have an emotion that I'm
stuck. I'm in that emotional rage.
whether it's whatever emotion it might
be and then I'm going to behave a
certain way. Right? So at one point it's
up to me to make a shift. Either I act
differently, I think differently or I on
purpose feel differently. Something I
have to do to break that cycle. And then
I believe I'm going to come to a deep
knowing. It has to be that way. Das a
deep knowing of who I am and what I
need. It doesn't mean that I'm not going
to call up and say, "Mom, what would you
do?" You know, it doesn't mean I'm going
to cry to my husband and say, "Husband,
I can't get it together. What can we do
together? Can we work it out?"
>> Right. Right. I think it's such a
beautiful, you know, we hear this verse
of bin. And when you're under the you
get bina and sometimes I like say like,
"Oh, my bina,
you know, this is what I think is best."
Almost like as a joke, but really you
this, you're tapping into this bina.
Hashem gave us bina. Hashem gave us
wives and mothers bin Sarah to be able
to build our home, grow our home,
nurture our home in the best way. And we
have that like as I'm saying that, as
you're telling me that, like it's such
an encouraging, empowering like almost
like backbone like, oh, Hashem trusts
me. Hashem gave me this bina to say I
don't need to ask for help. Not to say I
don't need advice. Not to say that we
don't ask when when you know when
something comes up, but Hashem put this
within me. And I think that that's the
part that connects so nicely to the this
puk of this inner strength like the mats
was saying it's comes from within from
herself msabaris of this strength this
courage that comes up it's within us
it's the bina it's the strength within
us the knowing within us and sometimes
like you said we have the thoughts we
have the emotions we have the actions
and those are all so interrelated and
one feeds into another and I believe
that different women will connect to
either changing the emotion more,
changing the thought more, changing the
action more, meaning depends on the
situation, but it's a kind of this
trifecta of our emotions, beliefs, and
our actions relate so nicely together.
And they really can relate so nicely
together when we, like you said, clear
the smoke and we stop the negative cycle
and then, you know, hopefully tap into
our bina and find the strength within,
find the knowledge of what to do and the
strength within. And I want to ask one
more thing which again I think is going
to hopefully help people listening. Are
there times in our lives where we are
we're on survival mode and yes we can
work on this and yes we can try to make
it into thriving but like are there
times where it's just we're just we're
in survival right now and that's just
where Hashem put us and hopefully it's
not going to last for months and years
but right now this is I'm putting one
foot in front of the other. I'm getting
up. I'm taking care of my family. I'm
trying. I'm definitely trying. But where
does survival mode, you know, kind of
fall into this?
>> So, you're saying a very important thing
because I do remember those years. My
youngest is 20, married, thank God. So,
I do remember those years that, you
know, you want to wake them up to send
them off to school and you want them to
come home again just to put them back to
bed again. That idea, you know, busy
everything. I was never working outside
of the home. So, I cannot speak to any
woman that's working, you know, the
nineto-five, right?
>> But I was a full-time, you know, mom all
those years. And it's a lot of work and
it's just like yeah survival mode. So I
want to just add something to this
survival mode thing that I believe it's
very important. I'm going to start with
marriage now. I hope and I don't know
how many of your listeners are actually
married. If you are so then you'll be
able to take this lesson home. When you
can work on and deeply connect with work
on the relationship with your husband
and learn what it means to deeply
connect with your husband whether it's
spiritually, emotionally or physically.
I believe that's where a woman can reset
all of her batteries and get everything
that she needs so she can yes meet
another day of survival. I hate to say
that it's called survival. Yes, there
are times of survival but you're going
to get wiped out. You cannot stay in
survival. We know from a physical sense
when we have our nervous system is
turned on. You know it's going to get
wiped out. It's going to get exhausted.
>> It's not sustainable.
>> Very well said. Good for you. It's not
sustainable to stay in survival. So, we
do not want that, right? We want to find
some sense of stability, cope, and hope.
I like the hope point very
>> I think that there's times of our lives
where we're coping and then it can lead
to hoping and then it can lead to
thriving.
>> Right. Beautifully said. Yeah, coping
also is very empowering. You know, just
surviving is kind of like, you know, you
get another breath. When I'm coping, I'm
on top of things. I'm managing, right?
So yeah, I think we have to learn to be
managers which means that we're on top
of the wave. We're not being you know
pulled under. I want to add one more
thing if I could if you don't mind about
so let me add a little point about in
the Torah says when created there Rashi
says
what you say that when he created it
uses the word and we get from that and
there's been if I'm not mistaken says
there
we have two mitzvah in our life that we
have to be almost like born with your
sham in order to be able to do those
mitzvah
and kash. Just think about it. There's
no mash breathing down our neck in
either one of these two things. We're
trusted with these two things. So, I'd
like to add this idea of your sham which
has always helped me in my life
from the lush of seeing. I see Hashem in
my life. I am aware of his presence.
When I live my life with my husband and
my children, knowing that Hashem is in
my home with me, I look at it like,
"Wow, of course I'm going to have
strength. Of course, I'm going to have
hope. Hashem is right there with me.
He's our partner. So, I don't have to
lose hope or lose strength because
Hashem is right there with me."
>> That's so nice. That's so encouraging to
me to hear that. So, thank you for
sharing that. Okay. I am so grateful
that you came on and shared your wisdom
with us. Thank you for enlightening us
on this topic of how to find strength,
the steps to find strength, and that we
all really have it within ourselves. If
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also does. It was so amazing getting to
know you. So thank you so much.
>> This was a treat. Continue to do these
wonderful things. Right. She's terrific
everybody. but doing for us is really
great. Keep up the good work.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.
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