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Episode 1: The Ultimate SNF & ALF Podcast ft. Ryan Harris
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all right so we are about to begin
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oh all right welcome everybody to the
ultimate s Annette and al F podcast so
excited to have you guys here today we
have a very special treat we have a
champion of super star in the making and
his name is mr. Ryan Harris he comes
from an incredible company solstice
Senior Living and what these guys do is
they take care of people in the best
possible way Ryan is the he's a senior
director of sales and marketing for the
company he's a champion he has a great
story in today's podcast we're going to
be talking about his story we're gonna
be talking about marketing how to market
facilities in communities in the best
way and we're gonna be talking about
some of the challenges that the industry
is facing today so thank you so much for
joining us Ryan I really appreciate it
but it's a pleasure it's a pleasure I
like your energy and I I was showing
some people around the office they
everyone will know your name fairly soon
well they definitely were like this
guy's got the same energy as you have I
was like I don't know so appreciate that
I appreciate that too men do you
actually have the the little thing that
I sent you today I got it I got it right
here oh it's a fantastic look at this
thing beautifully open it up boom look
at that I love it cool thank you so much
for that love I really appreciate that
so Ryan I just want to ask you a few
questions for our viewers today because
everybody wants to hear what you got to
say I just want to first ask you you
know how did you get started in the in
the senior in the senior care
senior care market I would say I always
tell people have been about nine years
or so I don't want to date myself but
you know I I got started my grandfather
actually had Lou Gehrig's disease ALS
I didn't I didn't make the distinction
between the two I didn't know it was you
know one of the same and especially
during the ice bucket challenge and all
that most recently some so nine years
ago he he comes down with this you know
horrible horrible disease that moved
very fast and so we had to look for a
place
you know he's losing his motor skills
he's cognitively you know it started
with mild cognitive and then went to
fall on dementia you know he at least he
knew I was family but he was my uncle
Stuart he thought I was my uncle right
well so that was pretty tough going
through that seeing that that's your
almost it does well that was 15 16 years
ago sorry and so that's like kind of the
first thing is you know taking care of
grandpa until we could find him
basically a place where he could go and
have the one-on-one so took care of him
I took care of my dad who was also sick
and had a bone marrow disease yeah and
he was a teacher and he was he was a
landscape architect guy and he didn't
use gloves and he got in his bloodstream
this benzene product and he got very
sick and ended up passing away too so
you know taking care of my two favorite
people it just came naturally naturally
to me I was in I was working for radio
intercom I was doing promotions and I
just graduated with a sound engineering
degree of all things because life is
short you should do what you want to do
and music was was my passion that still
is so you know the radio it was looking
pretty pretty dim for a little bit you
know we have Pandora we got I Heart
Radio coming out you know Spotify and so
you know I was talking to a guy and the
guys like you're not going to make a lot
of money unless you get into management
you know going on and being a radio
personality was something that I felt
like I needed to do when I was younger
and he just took me aside and said
listen I cannot pay for my kids
education for this and that so anyways I
get into senior living I take the first
job I can get right and it's in it's in
the kitchen like I'm serving tables like
this years ago and the one thing I
wanted to do as I said you know I'll
take the job you know as long as I can
as long as
you guys promote from within you know so
I just kind of moved up the ranks over
an extended period of time
so over eight years each year is just
doing a different job and you know most
recently over the last few years I've
got it into sales and Excel because I've
always been man I was I was the guy even
though I wasn't a salesperson sales
person wasn't available they come get me
and I was the driver you know at Xavier
or a med tech yeah or the engage life
director you know which is like a
activities director on steroids right
and I was the one I would go take them
over to the apartment so I was trying to
have those hard conversations with
family you know the something needs to
change conversations and it's something
I've been comfortable with and so it's
I've had the highest honor of helping
out seniors and taking care of seniors
for a long period of time and it's
something it's something that I figured
you know if I'm gonna do something you
got to be the best and you know I love
it good for you man good feel and could
you can you tell us some of what some of
your responsibilities some of your roles
over at solstice right now what what
you're you know what you're charged with
there oh my goodness gracious Yeah right
there's always what's in the job
description and there's a little bit
extra to so what I really like about
this is it's so it's sales and marketing
so I also I subset appointments I meet
with families I go do home visits I go
to the skilled nursing facilities are
the sniffs as we call them out here in
the wild wild west hospitals you know I
go to their houses things like that so
lots of visits appointments but my
favorite thing is marketing and
advertising and actually goes into the
advertising again I have what's really
cool about about the company that
currently working for solstice is they
give us autonomy they don't tell us well
you're running an ad here you're doing
this and that they they kind of let us
do what we want to do and that's what I
went to school for I'm gonna just who
who said who can who can say that they
went to school for something and
actually use it these days like barely
anybody oh yeah absolutely right you're
absolutely right so you're you're very
you're involved in the mark
you're involved in client acquisition
you're involved in getting you know
people into your facility right that's
one of your one-year tasks
any which way any any way I do it you
know as long as it's moral you know as
they say and yeah absolutely I'm a
census driver you know get this thing to
100% with a wait list that's what that's
what any community could ask for
absolutely love that and you know I say
all the time to our clients that you
know much more than a video production
company much more than an adze company
or a video brochure company we're a
census driven company because he at the
end of the day that's where everything
starts and that's where everything ends
right if there's no if there's no
clients if there's no residence if
there's no patients nobody's getting the
care and everything stops so that's
where everything begins you know another
thing to what I really enjoy is you know
it's really important to be good to your
employees right it's gonna be good
you're you're sometimes they're
sometimes they become family you working
these people like you know I saw nothing
without my frontline staff I'm nothing
without my direct lines up right so
what's the best way you can take care of
somebody is make sure they have enough
hours their hours don't get cut you know
so it's not just the residents that we
affect it's the employees that you know
we affect in that way too so you know I
I make sure this place is full we got
enough hours for everybody and then not
only that is it roles it's just like
this effect like a domino effect in a
good way where they can have enough
money to take care of their family so
they can you know they can bake on that
but men take care of your people I love
it how's the Lully so I want to ask you
some questions here so what what is what
is what have you seen is your best
method for attracting new rate new
residents and new patients into your
into your community ah the best method I
would say are you know you got to throw
a really large events every so often so
it's good to have little events here and
there and and going and promoting at the
senior centers and going and calling
your industry friends and you know going
outside the box and inviting community
people to
churches all those different things and
inviting them in the one thing you want
to do is you want to get somebody into
your community you want to get somebody
into your business you know or on the
phone in a lot of cases - I've done a
tour with FaceTime and Hold'em nice
states away you know you just do what
you have to do and so getting in front
of them showing off what you have
showing off your culinary that was my
favorite thing that's always my favorite
thing is obviously the food right people
are gonna come if you put food and drink
yeah yeah timo is just get this chick in
the book oldest trick in the book baby
you'd sell sell with the food right get
something that they're gonna want to
come out for and and show off your best
thing make sure that's community is
looking good and get all your directors
there and and have a good time it's all
good that's you know benefits everybody
so you'd say advances is a strong way
one of your strongest attractors for for
for residents new estimates innovations
yeah so so one other things too is the
community that I'm currently in right
now my home base is Normandy Park it's
just outside of Seattle
a lot of the referrals actually come
from the residents so I take that
marketing money and I have mixed events
where I have some you know industry
folks come in I have their family come
in and you know we have throw an icy net
for the residents on top of the other
stuff going on and we've had I don't
know about six friends of residents move
in over the last six months that's
twenty percent you know 15 percent of my
business right there Wow so it's amazing
that's him yeah yeah that's a
maintaining you know there's the
referral things to of course you always
want to grow things organically right
yeah so so you don't have to pay for a
referral source or anything like that so
that doesn't always happen for all
communities there's different sizes of
communities there's different you know
for skilled nursing assisted living
memory care all those different things
too the last thing that I mean what
sometimes if you get a qualified lead
right say it's a place for mom or
hearing calm or there's a thousand
different sometimes their referral
agents or well you know if they're
anxious right right so there's sometimes
you got to pay for these qualified leads
you know they
I talked to them they know that they can
financially they have the insurance
you know if it's skilled nursing or if
it's assisted living or memory care
long-term care insurance that their
finances are because these things are
expensive all of this cost lots of money
yeah I mean it is not free no I mean
that that is you get what you pay for it
yeah yeah I hear you in solid so that's
great I want to ask you one what if what
here's another question for you what is
the biggest problem that you are facing
getting a little personal here that you
are facing in terms of census that
you're that you're seeing status quo so
you know them staying at home so it
really you know I was looking at your
different podcast crushing the
competitor and things like that I loved
it I loved well you saw that willing to
busted and buzz yeah right so how do we
crush the competitor how do we do that
you know the competitor is been staying
at home interesting actually that's I
know anyone's it your biggest competitor
is I'm staying at home yes so that's
very very very intelligent an
intelligent point I appreciate that yeah
so so what does that mean let's break
that down you know so they're at home
yes you can get in-home care yes you can
have home health come in and do those
kind of things yes you can get you know
let's go down the rabbit hole even
further say you need an x-ray or like
your analysis is you have a urinary
tract infection right next to cause
major confusion well you know one just
totally out of character
you know Oh mom wasn't like this before
you know you can get all that done in
the household absolutely but you know
what happened you can have a companion
one-on-one but you know that's that's
very spending so if you want to know
kind of if you don't have the money to
do that you can come to a community you
can get the same exact thing done they
can be done in and one of these
atmospheres here where they have the
nurse oversight where they can get the
care major thing number one
socialization could
imagine if you went to work by yourself
and didn't contact anybody all day at
all
Wow that would be horrible yeah yeah so
imagine waking up and just walking
outside your your apartment door and you
got stuff going on good stuff going on
you got seated exercise chair tea that's
a thing
it's Tai Chi in the chair you got like
that Facebook yeah you got trivia things
going on you can go on trips and all
these different things and you're
meeting you're socializing with these
people you know with all these layers of
dimensions in there to where they're
gonna not be alone they're gonna have
stimulation you know and they're using
their brain well I love that I love that
that's very cool so biggest competitor
is staying at home you mentioned a place
for mom you know they're the elephant in
the room or you know there's definitely
there's definitely other ones as well
how has your experience been with
outside companies in terms of helping
you guys build census yeah definitely
some some are better than others and
then also coming from California working
in Oregon and then now in in Washington
pretty much all along the west coast
there there's there's a kind of I don't
know it consensus that they are better
in different regions for different
companies so you know say Karen calm is
better down south in Southern California
and maybe a place for mom is a little
bit better up here well what am i what
am I saying there I'm saying that you
know qualifying so say somebody says
well I really liked a big library and
you need to be close to the water and
then it has to be you know I don't like
this hospital I like this hospital great
ever especially some of sometimes
they'll just get too many leads you know
and that's bad for the industry because
they're really going to these people as
the specialists saying I have these
three or four needs these four things
need to happen can you give me some
communities you know do the legwork so I
can go and prequalify these communities
for these families like communities like
mine so where it's going to be a good
fit because fit is huge yeah
absolutely absolutely totally agree with
you cool
what would your number one advice be I
mean you're you're you know head of
sales and marketing what is your number
one advice to all the other people who
are in sales and marketing in the SNF in
the a LF industry I guess for the entire
industry with what's like my biggest
expert anybody in relating it that it
relates to sales and marketing for ALS
and SNFs
yeah what would that what is there what
is your number one advice you've
accumulated over all yours over all of
your years of experience following up
and I feel like that's probably the
biggest thing if you don't call somebody
back and you don't say I'm gonna call
you at two o'clock or I'm gonna meet you
here in that just make sure you do it
you would be surprised who doesn't call
people back you know if you don't call
somebody back then that pretty much is
telling them that we don't want your
business or I'm too busy for you well
you know I love I love that advice
because it's it's simple it's actionable
and it's something that people could
take for granted it's not something
fancy like geo-targeting in this and
that just follow-up return a phone call
be available and follow up you know in
sales I know it's a little bit different
but in sales we have a saying that the
money is in the follow-up a lot of
people get excited about that when that
referral comes in it's fresh and it's
new but but any good sales person knows
where marketing person knows that it's
in that it's in that second third fifth
six twelve good well I got what averaged
12 for a movement it's twelve twelve
communication whether it's a text an
email a call 12 on a speech yeah because
people getting you know incredible ease
their lead source could be great their
sales and marketing team or you know
greater driving those leads but if
nobody's there following up and making
you know bringing them home then they're
there being wasted so I love that simple
actionable thing
for that and my last question to you
Ryan is and this has been great I'm
really enjoying this and you've been
awesome is what where do you see the
future of the industry going in the next
5-10 years yeah I hear I don't know lots
of different sources 17 years you know
almost 20 years it's supposed to be
really good I've I've heard that you
know there's literally only one other
industry and it's warehouse fulfillment
like Amazon's and stuff like that you
know
so Senior Living is is literally the
number two thing you could even invest
in yourself right now like a real estate
investment trusts so it's huge right now
Jimmy Buffett's got his thing going down
and Florida wait you don't want to be
gets in it's time to get it oh my god
right yeah so so literally like if you
want to be ahead of the curve you know
you got to make these places five and
thirty years ago
when you think of these places like they
were just they called them all
convalescent homes I know there are
other places
terrible yeah isn't that horrible you go
to die yeah so so whether it's a sniff a
skilled nursing facility an assisted
living community independent living
community where I'm at right now or a
senior living or some places or
tri-level where it's independent
assisted in memory care and some even
have a skilled nursing on the same
campus it's got to be fun it has to be
fun because we can do that why would you
not make things fun why wouldn't you
have some kind of attraction you know
what I'm saying with activities and
trips and just kind of just a little bit
of variety I mean that that's that's if
that's the ahead of the curve thing and
that's where we're gonna see things go
and that's probably the most important
thing to focus on especially all these
folks you know getting into this game
maybe they're coming from just straight
real estate or other industries cuz it's
lucrative right now please if you're out
there please make these places fun it's
it's better for the sales people it's
easier to market under the market and
imagine yourself living at these places
you want people saying oh you're going
to this so-and-so you're going to that
place you're going to go to solstice
I wish I could do that Wow you know
that's what you want
beautiful beautiful there you have it
folks you heard from the man himself mr.
Ryan Harris senior director of a sales
and marketing at solstice Senior Living
thank you so much for your time I really
appreciate it this has been amazing if
you guys need to reach out to him you
can find him on LinkedIn Ryan Harris
super available anyone else who'd like
for them to follow you
nope that's it man just you can find me
on LinkedIn right now let's keep a
LinkedIn all right man thank you so much
for time again looking forward to to God
really work god-willing working with you
guys in the future and let's let's let's
keep the industry strong thank you so
much for your time thank you very much
you guys have a great one all right man
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