Ep. 62: Look For A Shidduch and Go On Shlichus with Rabbi Tzvi Grunblatt

We didn't send you to make the calculations of the economic policy of the country. Your job is your job is spreading [music] guide and spreading the mayon with confidence in the surely people will ask you what you think about the future. You should say you're not a prophet, but you your job is to spread Edish and the may this was that I'm Yasi Cayman. Welcome to among an ongoing faban about life as our vibrant [music] connection with the reb and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day. How are you? >> Amen. Okay. Thank you very much. So um looking forward to this conversation and I would like to begin um you are the and the in Argentina and but you're also from there. So maybe you could give me a little bit of the background of how your family I guess got to Argentina where they come from and uh we'll start a little bit with your upbringing and we'll we'll we'll go from there. >> Okay. You know that the Yu led of is the day he came to the Babage that we have to start from there. But since you are uh asking from another point of view is uh my parents alm they both Holocaust survivors. Uh my father from Hungary came after the war in Topshin Zin 47 and uh [clears throat] my mother came from from Berlin 1940 to Uruguay. um both bor hashem they went through I they didn't go the atrocities they went through but they went through the the whole hardships etc my mother when she came she was 15 years old in the ship were 200 Jews and only two families kept kosher one of them was their family and people were telling them this is finished already what you doing? And they were strong. They couldn't get a job in Uruguay without working shabas. But my grandmother said theish there saved our lives. Not we should leave as non-Jews. We definitely were going to get Parnosa. A week later they got Parnosa. My father was in [snorts] a labor camp not concentration camp through the war and uh he had a a sidedish upbringing my my my from my mother's side was a yakish upbringing but the faish upbringing from the adasis ge in Berlin the the rebed there in Berlin in the sh that I I imagined that my grandfather Davender and my mother Davender because it was just two blocks from where my mother lived in Berlin and they were part of the Adas. And uh by the way also the Reb came to America with the Revit Top Shiny together with my great uncle in the same ship >> in the boat. >> Yes. And they they had they talked a lot with the rebbit. They told me that the reb was in his in the room. >> No, the >> Oh. Oh, you mean you mean when when the reb came? Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Rabb was talking with them and the reb was closed in his room the whole time. He didn't come out. He was in the room the whole time on the traveling there. Uh my father hadish upbringing uh not kabat. They knew about kabat and Hungarian one. They were not specifically from a definitely rabbi. They were from old sadikim. And uh but my grandfather he on the first seder of Pesak after getting married he made the seder in half an hour and run away to be by his rabbis seder mean that he had he had the neur you know and uh my father was in yeshiva also before the war And uh and during the war >> in Hungary >> in Hungary. Yes. And during the war is uh there was the the Jews were under Hungarian uh control doing the the military. My father had to do military service and under the Hungarians, but the Hungarian were under the Germans and they had to work and build and do things, trenches, um ways, highways for for for the German army. And uh they were under the Germans in the under German system. And uh my father Bo Hashem never lost one day of putting on film all over the world and not later. Even half a year he was running from one place to the other. Never lost one day of putting on film. And he even had a a pesak seder there under the noses the nose of the commander of the Hungarian com of of the of the of the German commander. They gave him ruse. He got [clears throat] a package of two kilos mats from his father and they gave him ruse to make a seder. And this was this is a house history [clears throat] that the reason why he they the commander gave him rules because this was like a military uh system and they my my grandfather could send letters to him and he could send letters back and the censorship so that my grandfather wrote to my father my distinguished honorable very capable son etc etc and my father answered him I'm not honorable table. I'm not distinguished. I don't I'm not I'm just your son. And uh looks like this was no the commander told clearly my father this was no by him his paras that's why he gave him shoes to make the the seder there. My father also built a suka there on the ground under the ground he built a suk told me how he keeper there. Uh but and after the war uh my father came to Argentina and uh he came with Pis even to Argentina and u he was always boashm he was always and he always hadish general Hungarian in in in a specific way of of being mad in mitzvah. This is this is about my let's say basically my grandparents um my my myself I was raised by them or hashem >> those are your parents >> this was my parents yes yes parents and my grandparents yes I can say more but I don't think this is interesting here for this note >> okay >> this is not the point of the note and Um when I was small young I came I was uh by the Yakish. My father was a president of the Yakahil Belgrano Rabbi Openenheimer all of Ashim for seven years. He was the president but he never was a Y. He never raced us as never raced us in the minhogim of Yas. erased us on the hogim for the pes going to mikvah my fire used to go to mikva every day had a sheer gmor 6:30 in the morning and uh in my house we heard always not kabat really I have to say that I never heard about kabat and about tanya about the alterb before I came to Rabbi Bumgarten. This was when I was already 12, 13 years old. Never heard. But yeah, in my house, yes, we heard about mem the rich also we didn't hear. No, my father used to look into all these books. Friday night by the table mel all these books. This was the books he and that means that I had the of of by the sadikim where I never heard really about other kind of daily is never heard. Yes, the I heard Rabbi Kger. I heard when I studied in yeshiva with Rabbi Bumgard and I heard the show but in my house let's say the the the sadikim the sadikim always were from the from the from the let's say camp camp even though my father told me that in his house in Hungary they had a Tanya they made a yontiff when it Because the gul of the freed afteramus was a big sim. They made a special suda and they said tibb was in jail and my grandfather studied alter but uh I heard all this only after I came to kabat not before and my father even didn't know what is I al when I came to yeshiv I was right my father asked me what's understand the difference. But by the time my father became a lob full-fledged, let's say full-fledged >> after saying after you did. >> Yeah. Yeah. After we came to Yeshiva. Yeah. Um and he he started giving shiders in yeshiva. He he taught Tanya to Baluas 17 year old 18 year old in Yeshiva. And he was so happy about [snorts] it that he had to go through heart surgery. And he was so happy it made him so so healthy giving the shear that the surgery was postponed for a few years. >> When he had through the surgery years later he got an infection. He passed away from the from the surgery. Beel that means the the highest was got in the Tanya the doses and another thing I can tell you that my parents used to invite all these people for the seder people they don't make a seder they should come family they should come to see the seder to teach them the seder to see the seder and I remember in one conversation they were speaking about from people not from people and my father said on the conversation The lubaber know how to speak to n from people. This I heard a word not specially said. Okay. And um I uh at when I was 12 I really went to yeshiva called and we studied in yeshiva one year with literature. Next year came Rabbi Bombgarten of he was our roshiv. >> Can you uh tell me about Bumgarten? >> Huh? >> Can you tell me about >> he came there? No, no. I I I knew him from far because I didn't leave Rabbi Bombgartan. >> Can you tell me about him? >> I sure sure. Uh he when he became the Rashisha there in the Shivasim they g they put him a condition. He cannot teach and cannot make Lubabage propaganda. This was the condition. He didn't want to go into the job but he asked the Reb and the Reb told him you take the job and he without making any propaganda and without teaching he made like the Reb told him once you don't have to put my name people see what they see me you have to put yeah and this was the reality we saw I knew other orthodox from Rabonim. But I saw a difference. There was a difference between them and Rabbi Bongart. It was was some kind of a difference. Uh even the way he davened the even the way he ded. I remember that I could see that when he ded without any external um attitudes and conduct. I see I saw his face. How was connected? I saw he was in his I saw he was connected in his mind in his I saw him connected. I saw him connected. Besides this when he used to den used to d used to d with with hearts used to cry sometime I remember keeper we went out from the mik went to d m he went to the om he couldn't say the words of khazhat he was so moved keeper by the ding crying he couldn't say the words and he was a mameshit of ms Nephes he built he lived on the fifth floor really sixth floor in America the sixth floor and he didn't have a porch and didn't have a a patio a hoter for the suk he built a suk on the air on the sixth floor he had a balu called engineer polyenko that he wasn't an engineer already for years. [laughter] And he took him and engineer make took two irons poles going out and he make a small floor like the he should have a suk next year. He already had a bigger suka that he had three people to be able to have orim. I had this h to eat in his suka there on the sixth floor. The really you were trembling when you're going out. But he make sure that he was everything uh everything okay. And uh we saw he was pes the way he didn't drink the water from the from from from the from the kitchen. He brought water water from outside the city from a from a boar from a well from a boar from a Mayan for Pes to drink. This is what we saw him he was a special bet but we saw in him he was so devoted to his students totally devoted to the students and to the family to the students even we saw how he was devoted to the porter the the the doorman the doorman of the yeshiva because we we moved to another building and they moved out the to another building wasn't the kabat yeshiva was rabbart. He was the rash. It was his in the building of called Kazan is and we had a picture of Zalman Melzer Meltzer there on the wall. This is the yeshiva where Rabbi Bombgard taught. And um but the Dorman used to shave with a with a sakin with a knife >> with a huh with a razor >> with a razor. Raarten dig to give him a maton a shaving ker a shaving machine. He shouldn't be raised with with this. But he he diged for every student. He used to bring bananas for us. He should have what to eat. He used to to buy the bowl the bowl the plastic bowl for for for the recesses. Used to buy it for us. He was totally devoted and came. We we were 14 years old and we were not living in the same shun but we wanted to be by Rabbi Bobgarten to be learning with him the whole night etc etc. He we put uh mattresses in his house on the floor all the floors of all the rooms full with mattresses with bim sleeping in his house to be with him. He was he was sick with he in his feet and he couldn't walk. But he what did he do? He brought the whole ka the whole ka to his house. He was lying on the bed with a big gammor on the bed. All the boim around the bed and he gave the shir there from the bed. This was and then also he used to travel to the rebues for us and uh he used to have uh the Reb's picture in his house and uh I saw the first time I saw a big library of cidas I never saw so much so many ciders I saw it saw it in saw it in his house and uh he was really he he he he not just had an influence on us he had an influence on the shayim of the city he brought in the concept of Israel in the in the sheabah in the fume in Buyus then he had a big ash po he was part of the kash vat the vat cashashes of the city but but wasn't from official city for three raon there three different three different raonim that he was the kabatnik and he was very well respected because he was aa safer he was a talm and he was a real and people had I'm I'm talking the had a lot of confidence on on his and on his this is >> he he didn't He didn't speak to you about the aboutis. He didn't speak to you. >> No. No. Almost. No. No. I never I never learned Tanya. Not one word Tanya before I came to to New York to to the Shiva. Never. Uh first time I learned to see first time I learned to see was with Mr. Sausik. Santos all over them. It wasabiid a full-fledged Labavich because Rabbi Bongartan had a m when a boa travel to yeshiva to New York the whole yeshiva used to go to the airport. It was like an hour travel to the airport with a with a with with a with a city bus. He went with the city boss a whole hour but the whole yeshiva went he we he built the whole concept of going to yeshiva to learn with a shiv and the rabbi Mr. Santos went with us also in the boss and he took a recruit with him and he sat with me learned with me. I remember the inish the different of Mishk withto this is the first I ever learned. But no, he the fesh when it was the six day war, he told us what the Reb spoke about having confidence and he told us what the Reb said that from the RO I think he brought that in in the in the merit of putting out of a Jew it will in will this will protect the Jewish soldiers on on the battlefield. He told us this and this had an impacted impact on me that I went on MIT film even though I was 12 years old. I even was mitz and I went with another person he's a rabbi in Colombia was just a earthquake in in in Colombia. He's a rabbi in Colombia, Rabbi Gmid Schlit. He was then a mania of of of of the beter of the of the elementary school of Rabbi Openenheimimer. And we went together on Sunday to do and I went in the sho of Rabbi Openenheimimer and I put a big sign of what the Reb said that is of putting on film and with the with with hidden you're protecting the soldiers. this this way let's say he had he transmitted he transmitted reb but on on on a the practical way on on on on on a manual way on on on from this point but not on not on from from from from this part the we saw in himself in his life we didn't learn from the book we learned from the person. >> Mhm. Wow. So, so he sent you to New York to learn Yeshiva. That that was to say there >> is. No, this wasn't exactly like this. Most of the students in our kita the parents were from basically let's say but shabas yes but they they they didn't have a they were not they came to Argentina their parents and grandparents before the war and it was very weak they didn't have this concepts of yeshiva they they were not let's say put it in this way they they they were But ye they safer. They didn't know which is Shiva. This is Shiva for them. My father had a day. My father went to sh I mean my father had he knew what he and Rabbi Bumgarten was very he didn't want to force. He was Mo not forcing. And he he gave my father the the the the choice he should choose a yeshiva for me. He didn't force a but I didn't tell you the main part of the story. I'm telling you all all the narish kite and not the main point. The main point is when I was 14 years old I was 14 years old. Uh I wanted to learn in Yeshiva the whole day and not only mud. I was learning high school and half a day in the yeshiva. Half of the yeshiva barabart uh an hour was playing ball. Half an hour was doing travel in the k and making from fun from his English. And uh >> from his English. >> Yeah. because he was speaking Spanish mixing with English and we used to make fun of him. >> He was an American. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we used to make fun. We would play with him, laugh with him. We should climb on top of him like children climb on top of the father. I used to climb on top of him. And uh but I wanted to learn serious yeshiva. I was already 14 years old, 14 and a half. if I wanted to to to learn a normal yeshiva for 24 hours a day. And I wrote a letter to the Reb. I was 14 years old. Wrote wrote a Rebe and I sent it by by mail. I went to the post office. I didn't tell nobody. Not not Rabbi Bombgart, not my parents. My mother that came from uh from Berlin. She wanted me university. Okay. She already knew I wouldn't go to university but at least finished the high school and I was then in the sec finishing the second year of high school that means I had three years more of high school. I cannot go till years more of high school and but I in those days your parents ruled on you it's not like today and my mother was a yak aort is aort is ordict I wrote to the le I in 30 days I got the answer of the rebatim the reb gave me a and the for the letter. The letter but the nest is given. >> What was that? You have to translate it. >> Huh? Say it in English. The letter >> the letter was to to a boy, 14 year old boy from Argentina. Never wrote before to the Rebe didn't have any introduction to the Reb. Nobody told the Reb who I am, what I am, what just I wrote to the Reb, I want to go to learn in yeshiva that's all. And the Reb answered, uh, add in diligence and dedication in learning terra and being very mahada, very spe special doing mitzvah with in a beautiful and complete and special way. Then this is the way to receive the blessings of Hashem in what is needed. [snorts] You surely heard about the shir of saying to him after ding how it is divided on the monthly way monthly. Yeah. on on the months and you should keep this shir from now on and the Aishar will fulfill the wishes of your heart and the Reb signed with his signature in person. I got this answer to one month. One month I got the answer and this year I went to yeshiva. But there is was another nest. My father wanted to send me to a overlander. He told me >> in New York. >> In New York. Yes. My my father said, "You have time after you get married. You know a lot of you will know a lot of nigl. Then you you you you go on into now is the time to learn seriously that's why he wanted to sent me to overlander yes and I had a uncle in New York and uh he was a Hungarian and uh they went with Rabbi Bombgarten Rabbi Bumgarten went to look yes Shiva for me here in New York together with my uncle and they went to four different yeshivas mats yeshiva vin yeshiva I don't know but but anyways it was 1969 bring a 14year-old boy a 15y old boy from Argentina who is going to take care of him who is going to who knows who is this guy what is he going to do and besides this yeshiva cost money all kinds of obstacles. No yeshiva was ready to take me. My uncle even though he was a Hungarian yeah he was in the line of satar he wasn't a satos in those in this line but he said I don't understand why what here's the problem he has two friends they are learning in kabat was and those two they were learning in kabat he has already two friends in kabat why doesn't he go to kabat My [laughter] uncle said, Rabbi Bumgarten said, "I don't have any problem. I don't have any problem." But the father asked for another yeshiva. And then Rabbi Bombgarten wrote to my father. And I remember he wrote to my father, God is witness that I wasn't the one to press kabat. It was your brother who brings your son to kabat because it was a second ness a second ness how I came to to I say it in few words I came to kabat because there were no obstacles to come I said what's wrong it would be asking for money and this and this I don't know what would have that been I mean surely I would have been in kabad because this was their goal And I see clearly how the Reb picked me up to come like he picks up everybody to come. The answer right away and the nest that it came. It was really Milo was really Milo that I came it wasn't my choice. Not at all. I didn't know where I was coming in. Yes, I knew but I didn't know something special in Kabad different from others. Not at all. Not at all. and uh and and that's why I say it would be obstacles. I say to a lot of manahaleim >> when they make a lot of obstacles to to students >> lot a lot of tuition >> a lot of tuition if they would charge tuition like charge today ramonlan I don't know where I would have been >> and I'm sure you know that you're not the only one there's a there's a whole finer group of people that ended up in labav because they were not charged tuition and their parents like liked that option Right. >> I I I say I even speak to non nonflume people and I tell they ask me for my story. They come to Argentina. They see and what an Argentinian boy because I didn't come from America. I'm Argentinian. How did you come? And I tell them no, I came to Labavish because it was free of [laughter] free tuition. That's why I came to Okay. Hey, I think this is then I came to to to Yeshiva >> to where >> I came to Ocean Parkway like uh you're like bmedish whatever high school. >> Yes. Yes. Yes, there were Rabbi Rabbi Rabbi Ushpal was the magur in Nigel was my first mag [laughter] was my mashpia when I arrived here at 15 years old and he was my machia by 16 and then I was by me in Morristown for two years and then came back to also was again a shalak in in in in in Ocean Park was my >> I have two I have two questions which are probably connected I want to hear about the first time you saw the reba and my second question which is probably connected to this you don't really know anything about labavich about the culture about anything you don't say you have two friends but like how how do you how was this the landing in in Labavage like this from from Argentina maybe you could tell me about this I tell you I came to Lubavich I thought that Lubavich is like any think that is something different you see to learn to learn and u even I came to yeshiva Monday Sunday morning I came into into parkway in Shiva till Friday I didn't see the reb it's not that they took me to come to to to to nobody even didn't speak to me to come I would have come I have nothing against them I mean but nobody told me even to come to tell you more I came the first shabas that I came to to to 770 almost I went to Williamsburg. Why? Because I had an aunt living in Williamsburg. She wanted to invite the the the the nephew to come for Shabas and I was going but for me it was natural. You got the family. What's what's the problem with it? Then they put pressure on me. No, no, no, no. You come to 770, you have to see. Okay. Okay. Okay. They they had to put pressure on me but because of family things but nobody explain me not one word it's only by me was because the rebadic and that's it not not not something special not not even like like the man no he's the big yes him of our generation and for me sure who's to Definitely. Definitely. But nobody I tell you more. I got into 770. Nobody told me now the Reb is coming in or the Reb is going to come in. No. I was standing there by the corridor and suddenly it opens. It opens and I see the Rebe. This was the moment I remember clearly the moment I saw the first time. This was this was the moment and fabangan next day even though was wasn't normal to be fabang but since it was before shab before the reb started fabang and fab every week from shabz was the first shabas I was by the reb is from shabang by on and and and by Fabang and Shabzet the whole atmosphere the whole the whole thing took me to another world also was without no preparation. I just knew the Reb is going to speak. I knew clearly the rebadic god will be so sure but it was such a experience not from this world being there by faber this was and then I made up I'm standing there listening to the reb the rebs >> you know yedish then >> I knew yish but I didn't know yedish I didn't know yedish And half of the words in Edish are also words in a literature as I wasn't used to this this ma at all at all. But I made myself I have to take something from what the Reb says. And I made a point for every to take something at least one should one clear thing, one thing put to keep my and and really when later on when I look at the after I understood and I learned the sus I saw that I remembered what the Reb spoke then to that really they stood in my head from when I later learned the sus. And the the second very important thing was when I started learning siras with younger man, he was a shaly there. Faminkovich, he started learning with meas by night after seder. Really it it caught me. I liked it. And then not the first week, this was already the first week. But later on I start learning. I got very impressed from never never heard such such concepts at all. And then later on when I learned in Tanya about Shashen's And that but everyone and that I myself have it went out of my mind. I I I I it it it shocked me totally shock it moved me shocked me and changed this concept changed my whole understanding of what is a Jew and what is the the the life of the Jew was like a revolutionary concept that moved me every ber and every kid in Labavage knows it but they don't take it serious They don't appreciate it. Don't appreciate what means to have a calm imal mish in yourself. What don't appreciate it since I didn't know from it before and I was fulfilling mitzvah beh like it mameshi was an impact incredible impact. This was the first thing. The second thing when I learned [snorts] creates every second creates again from nothing the whole existence. This totally shocked me. I remember the BA medish in Ocean Parkway was in the main floor and the dormator was upstairs in the third floor. I remember walking the the stairs to the dormator because this I learned by night Tanya by night after seder. I remember walking upstairs the stores. It was like they could have drunk bottle mash whole bottle. I like was I was like shocked totally shocked totally shocked but I want to tell you together with this paras spoke about Mashiach. I knew already about Mashiach because Rabbi Bumgarten told us that the set to finish now I knew about the whole about Msiah's coming. I knew that about the 20 years Shimshen all these I knew a little because I heard from Rabbi Bombgarten and also because the the Binyomin Fand wrote me letters and on the letters that he wrote me wrote me about the whole ru that's going on in 770 around you and this and this and really what he wrote to me had an impact in me that I said, "I want to come before you because I want to be there." >> So, you did you did know something before you came. >> I did the basic thing. I think I knew. [laughter] Yeah. Uh >> she saying >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I want to tell the Reb spoke about Mashia but he spoke about being maken o with a letter to give the opportunity every Jew to be part of the safer of Messiah and even though I just came to America and I didn't know so well English I studied a little English because I went to high school in Argentina But uh I spoke Spanish, not English. And we went with the other Argentinian boys. We went on the street. I remember Kip on the streets stopping people, asking them about writing. It was just the first week. The first week after the first Fabangan, the second week of my being here was no sh no doubt that I have to do this. Nobody had to talk me in. You have to do this was no no doubt. You have to go make people to be part of safer and I felt we are talking here about big big things. We're not talking business as usual here. We are talking about big big big things. So you're basically describing the the process of how I mean how you becoming like this is this is all happening you're picking up the you say this is just just just from being being there and I guess the the gave you that you're able to be in tune to it. It was I want to tell you it it took for half a year I used to d with a gartle I came to labage I d with my gartle under the the under the under the coat under the and uh also I didn't change my minhogim but I came into I didn't care what other people do I did what I have what I believed in I did it and I I kept my Minhogim I dumped nakart I put feeling not on the lobavich way and I didn't care that other people did different I keep my minhog and I kept everything and this was for half a year a little more than half a year when I came into the first time this was soft before my [snorts] Then I decided to change to become let's say a full-fledged Dubai. Yeah. And uh I asked the Reb if to change all the minhogen everything. And the Reb answered if this is a decision for always I should do it. That means the the the the passage was like a half a year but the of the of the specialty theat I started learning is like it opened me the eyes about the whole Yiddish guide. It's like a new Yedish kite. It's the sameish guide, but it's it it started shining. Same Edish guide shining shining. And this is something that you saw in the Reb also the Reb's just way of talking. The Ho, the You felt it. You felt it. You felt it. You felt there is an an expression of Rabiel in the first letters that he wrote to his father when he came to and he said in the first letters that you see you see he he writes to the to his father you see that he is a isi He writes about the Reb to his father in the beginning. You see he's a rich you saw and you felt the is different that than everything. Okay. Um so we're getting close this time of year. We're getting close toash. Is there anything you want to share from the first uh for the first maybe first? I don't know. Maybe you can share a little bit about that. I I knew is and I understood K by the is something but I never experienced it. had to imagine but I didn't have any clue how it is and I have to tell you I was uh I was very shy I wasn't the best person asking around and investigating no I I was very shy and uh I was 15 years old 16 years then I was already 16 years old yes and nothing coming from Argentina here big really important. But I I knew that I have to get a good place. I have to catch a good place. And I came very early in the morning, Rashon in the morning. And I stood next to the beame, not the first row. I understood that people there second, third row. I came to K. I was at the orang kaidesh and I wasn't inside the orangesh because there was a door if not I would be inside the aren kaidesh that means was pushed to dance and I felt so bad says I'm going to be here by the reb not going to be able to hear anything see yes but not anything not good because I was used the reb for the om the reb uh Um >> low >> very >> low >> low very low. Yes. the same shab you had to push the first rows to be able to hear something and I said oh what's going to be here I'm going to be here and not then started k started the It was like look like the reb going out to war. Was going out to war. And then all the okay the tears same thing happened [laughter] to keeper I I came for the minim him when I came he was already after the bro [laughter] and I was because nobody told me nothing nobody explained me nothing [laughter] I came he says how come there's nobody here said no it was already but anyway >> huh >> it's a a greener you have to figure everything out >> but anyway ways. >> Oh, so I want so I want to get into that in a minute. Um, so you already said that you learned in Parkway and then Marstown, then it's 770. So I want to talk about the fab in a minute, but um, you shared something earlier about your firstis. Are there other things from the subsequent or answers from the rabbi you got when you were bak that you you would uh that you can share first from the first I want to tell you I was very how do you say um went in 3:00 4:00 in the morning I don't remember I felt like you know going into the Reb but the Reb started speaking with such a love you felt the reb embracing you. This is the first time gosh then it wasn't the first I think it was maybe the second year or the third year the reb used to read the pedion the letter used to read uh the one time mark things on the side and then used to come back from the end. From the end going back and he was answering you. But while he was answering you and reading, his head was down and the the the the head used to cover at least by me. You couldn't see clearly the the the the Reb's face because the head was covering most of the face and the reb was down. The head was down. The re the end of of answering everything picked up his his head his head the cop. Yeah. And he looked the reb's face shining. Wasn't the Mar of Faben wasn't Mar even not the Mar of a M was another Mar looking at you with such with such connection and with such love shining shining shining shining shining. This is in general. Then the first point out doesn't Yeah. And uh later years in one year he said that's what he said. is about dear of element. That's what he said. That's what you write. This you cannot do. the other thing you don't know how to do. But since it's written, you will toil and you will succeed. And this is being said to me, to you and to everybody. And there is the toiling. Definitely there is a succeeding. That's this is one thing. And uh then I can tell you the last one the the first after I already was in um the I wanted to ask for a blessing special blessing for something connected to that of my and I didn't write it because I was ashamed was ashamed to ask such thing the Reb gave me the bra in the words that I taught it mamesh I will not tell you what I wanted to ask but he gave me mamesh in the words I thought I wanted to ask. This is one thing. Another thing um okay it was a the last also in the room. This was maliff base those. Yeah. I wrote a letter. >> This is already. >> Yes. Yes. I wrote a letter and uh I gave it in two three days before in order the reb should be able to to read it before I have to read it while I'm standing there. When I come in, the Reb tells me that he he couldn't read the long letter I wrote him. If there was any questions there, I didn't answer anything because I not going to to be talking to the Reb. And the said then no apes in it talking sh is good if there is no question is good it's better it's better if there are questions or doubts bottle should they had discharged, nullified, discharged. If it still remains some kind of a question, we will answer you in the time. This wasn't the last Yeah. >> So what so what does that story mean? >> You can everybody can translate what he wants. [laughter] I think it's clear the reb is don't waste your time. Be do be positive work. Do do don't waste your time with all kinds of questions and analysis I had analysis a hint [snorts] I as I had an answer when I when I when I got this whole story you know when I got uh married >> I want I want to get all that >> no tell you what when I got married uh was. It was was after was the reb was sitting by the door of Ganed with a small table and he was receiving the panim giving out sodoka. I gave him my pan, my saddle, and an hour and a half after the Reb answered uh the the what I wrote and and and the the Reb said, "You are exaggerating In all your negative assessments, you are exaggerating. You are exaggerating with an exaggeration. Yeah. And he wrote, "You should make use of your capacity of analyzing things in learning and the rea is with you." That means this was the Reb's guidance. You have power. Don't use your analysis to see what's wrong. Use your analysis to see how you can build better. And an interesting thing the Reb said first. I was going out to was the moment I was going out to even like this. She said first and then okay were there also um answers like minus that you received when you were from the >> No I was working in the No personally personal stuff >> no because uh Uh no the no the I I tell you something I I I was after uh was in the middle of I got offer for a shidak and even though not I was running for a shidak but I also didn't want to be I as an Argentinian boy an Argentinian boy and uh don't have family here taking care of me etc etc who knows me I get an offer I shouldn't be stupid just to discharge it and I wrote to the reb was 5:00 or 4:00 in the morning got the dancer of the reb because those days the reb was aes in his room and we were working in sas in my in by by the floor of the here next next door to 770. We got I got a telephone at 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning for Rabbi Klein all of us. We have an answer for you. And the answer was don't think about the till you don't finish. I finish let's say I got and and for okay wasn't there an answer from the with the parts of h with with words from someone told me it's a an said you didn't like Dr. said you didn't make yourself as me. Then you have to he said you have to be happy to be to be in order to think like this. Yes. Yeah. I don't understand exactly what you're saying, but maybe >> No. What do you mean? You don't understand. >> It sounds like there's more. But don't like he said when different things you know you said when you have some thought that uh brings in you some kind of weakness think that you are the of this told me when I was a ber what did Huh? >> Yeah. Yeah. They have told me since like you ride here in that settle that you teach because I used to go Thursday night to teach the from Yeah. And they say since you write here that you teach you are you should think about this and when you have any weakness you feel weak in your in yourself. Mhm. >> Re said like the Re said feel but don't be my in the in in negative things. shouldn't be spent on >> well whatever. >> Yeah. Yeah. The fixed and limited times to add the sins is the whole day. Because even Everything what you do has to be that means you could be the whole day. Okay. Okay. Anything else before before I before I move on? >> Uh I Okay. Uh you you're going about okay go into then I tell you >> no okay fine so so let's stop let's go backwards so you mentioned to me that the fabans was your life and integral component of being there so maybe tell me a little bit about that and then when I ask you about then I'll ask you about the so maybe tell me Every fablangan was Lebanese. I don't know how to t to >> That's good. You can you can you can keep it though. >> Yeah. Yeah. was a every fab was a eber Lebanese the whole every way and and the beauty and we didn't we we didn't just take we I talked those that we heard the raz we used to talk over the fab later like uh we we were standing also on the details on the details that the Reb said this this sometimes people take just the global ID but in the rebels when you listen good the rebangant first of all you have to take the global ID no question you have to take the global ID but later on every concept every word is is a all Indian. But Gale, we felt how the Reb is putting in so much new thing, shiny things. And then also how the like used to say it's like we felt every wasn't just saying the reb was going through the whole was and shaping the whole sedish and giving you a cooking all sedish. This was like like you came into fab is like you came to we going now to hear a new world. We were like coming routine. Okay. No, no, no. We coming here to a historical one-time event, an an unique event. And that's what that's the way we we heard. We were uh anxiously waiting to the Fabangan. And when the reb was speaking this is what we used to take and appreciate everything the reb said. But I have to clarify that those days this lamemed wasn't like it was after not like today those days to hear a tape of the I went to remember I went to I got somebody that had the tape and I had to go to his house and sit there the whole day to hear the the fabangan because you wouldn't let me take the tape with me out of the house. Okay, this wasn't a problem. I just want to tell you today you have everything. The the Fabangans used to come out weeks, months or years after the Reb said it. It's not today like or after lamemed it started coming right after Shabas. I remember a mimer a mimemer uh four weeks later between you and me who will learn the mimer four years four weeks later and and how it was and also you didn't have this forum of cidus that the mayor were built on that you could be iron a treasure then you would have it's not today. Today you have everything everything put organized. You can hear it. You can read it. You can read it in English. You can read it in Hebrew. Could read it in Yiddish. appreciate. Sure. It's not you. It's not like styling a faba today. Stalling a faba today. Sure, you can appreciate it. If you don't do it, you're just I don't know what words to use. Then you need a big gear. You need a gear. You you need to come to to to come to and to make sure that you understand. And that's that is what make me I have to engrave in myself what the Reb is speaking. I'm here. I have to know what the Reb is speaking. This is what I forced myself to remember what the Reb says and and to concentrate and to have and to pick up what the Reb says. You cannot have the the feeling how it was then. was is given in them. Their imm was he given in them and I want to tell you I regret it but you know cannot do anything today about it. I regret all the things that we didn't ask the Reb. The Reb was for us. The Reb gave himself to us. We didn't make use of all the reb was giving us. Why? Because we we we were afraid because you're you're referring to when you were writing and then you were able to ask. >> Yeah. Yes. You thought the what you writing was but really was a mistake. Was a big mistake. was a big mistake. >> Okay, one second. So, how did you get involved in I mean it sounds like because you were being ma and you were a good candidate but but what >> a good candidate. I just was I went I went to to Khazor and after Khaz I start writing a little for myself and I also by Khazor I put the word her I put the word in and then I was helping the other people that were writing the it was a natural it was natural used to go to in the house to hear the after the faben until it came. I mean um the other ones that were that were used to be writing and they hold up just a little time after the and then they they asked me do you want to go continue writing okay it was a natural thing was not >> so you wrote sikis and >> no I didn't write >> okay so let me ask you about that because as someone who uh watches and listens to my are still you know you know you have to really really focus be able to to be able to to understand to to transcribe it and to make from it now I don't know if even all of the people that wrote the were capable I don't know so what is the process of of of understanding of transcribing a mime from the maybe you can talk about that a little bit. >> No, you you had the mimemer. You you you you made a basic seder of the mimemer right after the rebimemer. You on your head you made some kind of a of a seder what it was and what? Yeah. And the also we had the and the of that he had the clarity in the mimer [clears throat] gave us the the cuff in the mimemer is really the of yes we added a dort over the main let's say the kutachedro the spine spinal I don't know how to say it >> spine >> spinal cord >> yes this was even that he wasn't uh hazing but he was listening to somebody else saying it but he was organizing it putting even he didn't write a memory but he was the spinal I'm talking on the the on the shabas fabangan so y fabbrangan without a >> tape. >> without a tape or you had also the writing of the rashimes on the second day of yont used to write bishas m whatever was speaking they were writing >> right. >> Yes. And then you had of the the the tapes but I have to tell you whoever listens to a tape not because he listens to a tapes means that he can understand the mimer. We had to very much to understand what the Reb wanted to say, how the Reb built it, what was the connection to one part to the other part. It was a hard not because you had a tape you knew even you had the typed word by word doesn't mean that you understood what the Reb was saying. You had >> and this is specifically my as opposed to Yes. Yes. No, they were my morning. They were clearly. No, because sometimes in my mim the reb used to say a few words very and it meant the whole inian that you had to understand the whole in to see the connection to what is being said before was is the buildup. this mile flow from that he understood the my >> right. Okay. So was there something spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe specific happening in your times like aesh in the way the were being produced like was it something new or you just continuing with what happened before the way they were produced? No. And then there once said to write not in order you don't have to write one under the other one but uh >> what is it that what's you don't have to write the manus because started giving out with March the s and the mayor it was late year yeah and Even the buil the beauty mug I'm talking >> right >> before the beauty muga didn't have mal mccas under and the reb said you can write one after the other you don't have to write one under the other >> the one and next to it the two and next to it the three puted one in one should two in the second line and three in the third line [snorts] but uh I won't tell you what happened with in Lamemed Zion in Bosan Lame Zion were different things that happened. One thing that happened was that Rabbi Goner came out from the Reb's room and he brought the books that the Reb gave him from each one of Rabenu uh with a paper inside that they should have all the mentions in the places of Rabiu what he what he mentioned. But he he came out from the Reb's from the Reb's room with the books in the hand and he gave it to me the books to before used to the Reb used to write it butto this book in this in this place looks like in this time the Reb even didn't have the time to write it and he sent out the books that he used with this paper inside and sent out all the books. This is and then we wrote in was two memory was by day and uh we sent in the an from by day with a sh with a question or even we didn't send the an we just sent in a question and the first wrote was from myim A mimer the central mimer should be the mimer of mo shabas shmar the pumer more more in public. Yeah. And this M should be the basis and the vinuim the addings and uh changes of the from the mimer by day we should put either in brackets in the mimer or under under the line or the Yeah. And we choose to put it under the line. That's the way we organized the mimer. But we didn't understand that the reb wanted to be ma the mimer. No, we didn't understand because those years the re wasn't maimmed. Lamemed was mia lame. After a long time, after a long time from lame base lame the Reb was Mia there and then Mishbot and later on we found in the Reb's room also was also Muga but he didn't give it out. Um and then lame was a mimer also that he was mugish miser but unexpected and lame z nobody in those days nobody dreamt the re mia nobody dreamt and uh only special occasions mameish and uh we we prepared the m there the re was mi yeah but the question was we had a question that the reb brought from every one of the rabbi and he want brought from the reb Marash the co marash that there mad in yusho mad he explained it in the mimer what it is and we ask the explanation The Reb gave on the MM was different. What what what means Yusha different that what the Re Marash says the Reb is entitled to say what he wants but he he said it in the name of Re Marash. That's why we asked. >> Mhm. >> And I will tell you we were stupid. But the Reb answered we should write the way the Reb Marash says the people that heard the says the same way they don't understand the explanation how this comes together with the Reb Marash according to your question. Yeah, that's asking such that this is not what will they will not miss anything if if they don't know about the whole thing. Why were we stupid? Because we had to understand if we could put the the mar says like this is obliged the added something but but since we were he mentioned marash and he said that's why I said we we did some stupidities. We did some stupidities. There was another mimer of Nissan and the mimemer speaks different madgas about the mile of etc. And we asked that we we see there is no compatibility in the mimemer. And the Raman said this is the whole concept of the mime to >> there's no comp compatibility with the mus no in the same mime first he says that is this then he said another way of say this doesn't come together said for the m is to Oh to show always what is the union of I mean [clears throat] you're talking here things not compatible this is the whole mimer to >> yeah the idea He was to show goes all over the Madas. I mean then there was the m of there was Yeah. Also >> Yeah. The mimer came out >> right before the heart attack. >> Yes. In the morning, the reb went, we saw the reb went into the suka with the mimemer and came out with the suk from the suka and gave out the mimer and the mimemer was even sugapped. I don't say sugar clipped a piece attached a piece of cake that mean the re was eating mus found while it was mad and the piece of mus was attached come over I took the piece I need it [laughter] but uh and gave out the mimer when we received the mimemer her. We we were not sure the re was Makia, not Makia. I mean, Re was Makia, but it wasn't like a normal prepared mimer. We we we we had doubts, but we didn't want to ask. >> It was It wasn't heavily mug like usual. >> Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it wasn't heavenly, but it was it was it had it had because I in was a well the reb was mia a whole part with a strong hag strong but he put on top of it built mug that's why the ml came out the Hano we made a a difference from other memorial point >> point but the rev that's why we were afraid but here the rev didn't say built >> we had let's what we do we wrote we send it in like for Hagagoy like like a mug but just added the word han. The Reb didn't add the word Han. The Reb add the word Han. We could have not put the word Han also, but we were afraid. We added the word. And then there the he writes that is being recognized on his attitude and behavior, how he eats, how he drinks, how he does business, etc., etc. on the word. The Reb added and adding the heart of the wise is on the right side with the march. >> This was in the first was in the second Tag I think. So this is >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. After what happened we understood by the reb >> after the heart >> to put something about the heart. He would put in the mimemer something about the his heart to to to be mazak the heart to to I don't know but I it was clearly because it wasn't something that gives you a special explanation in the mimemer add something in the understanding of the mimer. So leave >> there's another speaks about the and he asks he says he brings from the from the a whole eBay And the Reb asked a question. How could be cry is there that he that means his he's satisfaction is and how could you say somebody that his satisfaction his is he should be a And the whole put a lot of work into it in the second again. The whole piece of very very strong put in there few. >> Okay. Then another interesting thing I can tell you was Lamemed Zion Bosilani. Besides Lamian Bosilani, what was Lame Z so special? Lame Z was the reb was 75 years old and were threeim afteri later on was Hinani Mir Shabas Shalak there then was a third mimemer a third mime I think it was alishad the third mimer I don't remember or Israel maybe Israel in the tree the reb added added apos of his peric he was 75 years old it wasn't usual the reb adding things to my buoyim >> the reb added and in one of the added like six seven shas with the beer on the pos on the puk of his perk. This was very interesting that onim he added kesh on this when he was 75 years old. I don't know if people not notice these things. Okay. >> I don't think people even knew what what added sh right. Only you people knew. >> Yeah. But I think we we pointed out I think >> Mhm. >> we make a point of it. But okay, he had it once. But you see my ink when he's 75 years old. Make a point of it is not >> it's not what >> it's not the answer. Sometimes we we are we have a we take things you know cold >> everything is >> okay are there any other meodm that you want to highlight right now >> at this moment I don't remember can highlight something different. It was on has to do with a mimer but wasn't in the time that I was writing my mor was already when I was in I was here at Teskisliff I was a fabbran and the next day I traveled back to Argentina I was I came to I don't know why I came in this something to do with my work of raising fund raising I don't know and I wrote into the reb And uh the time going back and the rebro back surely you took it yourself. You took with you the rashima of yesterday's mimer. That means it is wasn't Fes and I came here for for fundraising. You surely took with yourself the mimer. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Okay. [snorts] I hope hopefully uh everything you just said will add to that. So you you were doing basically. >> Yeah. >> So maybe you could tell me a little bit about your and your and I think they're connected, right? You already alluded to it. Maybe you can tell me what happened over there. >> [snorts] >> Rabbi Bombgart of Asholam used to travel in the Argentinian summer to Israel to visit his parents to London to visit his daughter and then just to come to New York to visit another daughter and mainly to be by the Rebe arrived on Friday morning in London and he had a um ACV and a cerebral incident. How do you say uh >> like a heart? >> Sheets moi. >> Oh, a stroke. >> A stroke. He had a stroke. And uh he passed away from this stroke. And um before even he came the came to New York, he was brought to New York. He's buried behind the rebel. Yeah. And um Rabbi Klene called another Ber and me to Rabbi Hodakov and Rabbi Hodakov told us to take care of the things that Rabbi Bombgartner was taking care especially about mats to make sure that in Argentina it's going to be hunt matz for pesak because Rabbi Bombgarten was bringing every here hunt matter and [snorts] he used to bring also other kosher products from for matz oil for besa oil other things potato starch and um we asked his son and he said that everything is taken care is going to be m okay but that means already before the the levaya came to New work uh the rebels already diagoning what's going to be with Rabbi Bongard's position as Shia in Argentina by the way Moz Shabas before the program of Rabbi Vineberg called the rabbi I think called Mashkat I think it He was also part of the Vat for in the radio and the reb [snorts] gave him money and told him that he wants to sponsor the program of Moz Shabas the nishmas of Rabbi Bombgart. Now going back after uh the everything told me to get in contact with Anash in Bonosirus to be let's say between five and 10 Anash families in Bonosirus then to get in contact with them and to see if They have somebody to suggest to come in in place of Rabbi Bumgarten. And they gave they I I went to Rabbi to Rabakov and I told them that told him that they suggested me to come. Okay. told me, "Okay, write to the Reb if you are ready to take the position." I wrote to the Reb very straight asking [laughter] that I'm ready if this and this then I am ready to take this as if the Rever wants it and if there wants it and I'm capable for it. I'm ready to give myself over to the and the Reb surrounded all the words. The Reb wants it. The Reb wants it and I am capable. we surrounded the whole thing. And uh in the same letter uh when I wrote that I was proposed to write in to the rebu somebody to be in coiler the whole year. Besides the point I even don't have a even don't have a don't have a don't have a color. I I don't have a wife. How can I go to I got this? And the Reb answered look for besides that he surrounded the whole other world. He puts and then about what I wrote the wants to be in coiler a year after the marriage the wrote here is different. Okay. Um then >> now you have to find the >> huh >> now you have to find the >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This was uh I they have they have to find a shidak and went through three days. I didn't have any normal offer any proper offer. I wrote into the Reb have any proper offer already three days the Reb told me to get a shak and the Reb gave me a ask [laughter] laughed but he said asken and the same day I got from three names the of my wife >> three different people. Yeah, was a whole protise about it also. Anyways about the and this was I and then I wrote into the Niss I got from the reban. I went I met my wife first time since it was Pesak. We met in her house and Dal Eeyore was already divor. That means from youth Alf till Dal Eeyore took the place the whole the whole thing of the preparation of aid. Okay. me. I was going on the revisest places. My wife was 19 years old, never heard about Argentina. And uh here she had to decide aid go to Argentina on in one decision everything. She says she didn't have any doubt she wanted was no doubt by her by her group of friends. You go to no doubt about it. She was 19 years old and she accepted the the whole thing the whole package. Okay. After the Reb answered the boat for the for the Shid and after and and in the answer when we wrote about when making the etc etc the said should go already to Argentina before the wedding and come back here for Hass and the Reb took care of the ticket. He paid for the ticket and um I asked the Reb, I'm getting married was the marriage and we were here. I was traveling vi or I was traveling to Argentina. >> What year is this? Mhm. >> And uh I asked the Reb if since I'm traveling to before the wedding, I have to learn before the wedding if I am if I ever refuse to take from my two hours a day. One hour for and one hour for foridus. And then I also ask and how should I organize my sidri when I am ready on when you >> married and the first thing the Reb answered obvious you can take the two hours and learn [snorts] and later the Reb answered decide when time comes. When I received the answer, really I felt like the Reb didn't didn't answer me. You decide like the Reb pulled himself out. He doesn't want to take of my learning. [laughter] He doesn't want to say and then I don't fulfill. I don't know why the rebet said like this but like he moved he removed himself from from the union that's what I felt as a idiot in this moment but really with time I understood this was the answer when you areas you have to decide there are moments when you have more time there are moments you don't have time there moments that you need it You need it and you have to make time. It's not something that is how do you say kua is not nailed how to do it. Every situation is different. Every moment situation is different. That's what the Reb said you will have to decide because not I cannot give you one C for always. The C for always is you take decision how to when to learn how to learn. >> My wife Yeah. Yeah. My wife stayed in New York for the Hass and I was coming back two weeks before the Hass one the Hass and one week before because I almost I barely saw my wife at all because I saw her first time and Zor already traveled how many times did I see her? I came a week at least two weeks before the to see it again. [laughter] Anyways, uh came Shu came Shu and um was qualies already started Yahida's clothes then after Shu also the sitting in by the door receiving the panim giving the dollars and a friend of my wife that was getting married was going on And Rabbi Klein tells my wife, "Are you going on Yiddis tonight?" And he said, my wife said, "No." Why? He said, "Why not? I'm going to go into when my husband when my comes comes going to go for alone. I go to the together with my when he comes back." He comes back. Okay. It's going to be youamus. You got married in the end of the we will go into your Rabbi Klein said you go in today and then you go again. The kids are the seder walls that first went all the hassanim and then went all the colors. When my wife came in front of the Reb, the Reb took a pack of dollars, looked at her, put the pack of dollars down, took a took a bigger pack of dollars and gave it to her. After the my wife asked around no she received $5 of from the reb and she asked she saw $5 is a is a pretty good number she didn't hear that the reb gives out $5 and she asked to other girls those times all the girls were friends of the same kid I mean it wasn't a huge from the whole world it was a ask everybody got three only $3 she got five. What happened was that when she told me she's going into I told her I have to get prepared because when you are going to go there I'm also going to be there I'm not going I also want I'm going to be with you the I'm going with you and we explained we understood that the Reb gave my wife $5 because she also gave for me because even though the Reb didn't ask her her name were the whole shoot of girls she went through when the Reb looked at her she he already had the dollars in the hand put it down and put took more >> amazing okay so then you had the went again that's what Yeah. Yeah. And then happened what I told you the story of Mazimer. >> That was >> Yeah. This was by the >> So then you went as a couple to Argentina. >> Yeah. >> So what happened going to Argentina? [laughter] What happened was that uh okay the first give us and he also gave me pesos Argentinian pesos 3,000 Argentinian pesos he gave me that really these pesos were not uh already in uh >> circulation >> in circulation and they were already changed because they had on on on top of them they had a a stamp changing their value. That means was already changed one time the value and then was out of circulation but that means the rebels from long time ago. He kept the dollars gave it to me $3,000 then 3,000 pesos with three bills. Each bill was 1,000 pesos. Each bill was 1,000 pesos. And uh he gave me uh $5. $5 when when we stood next to the door of Ganed. >> So you went together this time. >> Yes. Yes, we went together to receive the for for for going out on the Yeah. And uh uh we're standing there. The Reb came out of from Ma and he saw us and he said, First of all, the normal way that I used to say was I traveled a lot of times. Always the Reb used to say this time the Reb said first He said it and he said everything in Edish different than August. The second thing the Reb pressed every word he said. He didn't speak flu fluent was stressing every every word. After this I told my wife something is happening when we took the plane took the plane the plane was supposed to make let's say Tossy two two stops in the middle where Misa made three stops and took time etc. I arrived to Chile. arrived to Chile uh already late morning was supposed to arrive early morning and right away to come to Benosirus Mamshik to Benosirus and but arrived late morning and people were started complaining but no But before I forgot something and they said our plane is leaving 9:00 at night people started complaining was we we came late here then we have the whole day in in Chile 9:00 at night we have to leave was was people started complaining then was a military regime in uh in Chile and they controlled the airports and everything and also the company was a national company launch Chile. I told my wife, what do they think? They complain around. They say like this like this. I mean, what what you you're talking also 48 years ago. What uh what you complaining to the people in the company? They they said the plane is going out at 9:00. It's going out at 9:00. What can you do? Le half an hour later they collap all passengers of this flight of nile goat boarding. What happened? We're boarding. Okay. Looks like the tinus of gate effect. We're boarding. We came, we went out on a plane of another company called Ayro Peru and we went on top on this flight like 1:00 we went on top. Yeah, we arrived in Bonosirus to 30 and we arrived in Bonosirus. They say the luggage is not here. Why? because they transferred some of the passengers. All the passengers, they already went to eat. They sat down to eat. They this they they stayed there or they said, "Okay, we're going tonight." Okay. Those that were waiting just there went into Peru and they they only transferred a few passengers, half of the passengers, let's say, and without the luggage. Okay. Came to Monosirus. We say, "Okay, we will wait for the luggage. wait for the luggage. We didn't go back to the city because go back city is 1 hour. Come back is another hour again another hour. Okay, we stay wait there for the luggage. Kids said it was like 9:00 at night, 10:00 at night, people come running into the airport. What happened? The plane fell down. Plane coming from China fell down. I told the guy, "You are joking." [laughter] He says, "No, it's true." What happened was >> there's passengers on it. >> And here, here, listen, listen. The the the plane, I don't know why, went down 2 kilometers before the airport and got into the trees. There is a a sod field. next to the airport and he got stuck in the in the trees of the soda. What happened was that since the the plane was half empty because half of the passengers went in the pre-or flight of Peru, they all had time to to jump from the plane was not one casualty. Not one casualty. And right after the people jumped down, the whole plane went on flames. And we have I have in my house the paper, the newspaper big headlines by miracle was no no how do you say catastrophe. Not one person pastor died. Not one person. >> You had no luggage. >> No luggage. No luggage. >> Most people say they came with the sack on their back. You came without a sack on your back. >> No, I had it on the back. >> Okay, fine. >> On the back. Yeah. Yeah. Because I had all theim of the myim that I hadis and answers with me. I wanted to send it in the luggage. And my brother came and says you don't send this on the luggage. You take this in the head. This is what's the difference in the hand of the luggage. It was the difference between the hand of the luggage. Also the the the the the shabas candles that I the shabas lighter that I brought for the house and all these thing we had in the in our hands. All the all the precious things that you cannot recover we had in our heads. And what happened was okay all my we had a nurse I I I met a a lawyer for for these kinds of accidents. One time I I saw him not not before and not after only one time and he told me and could that what they want the companies want to pay is according to some kind of value of the gold and that this is not legally right. You have to mod you have to uh ask request they should pay you according to to London the value of the gold in London and when they the vice president came and and he started telling we're going to give you this told no but you have to give me this this is okay what did you have inside I I told him what I I just got married the kids said they gave me $7,000 with this $7,000 we paid to buy an apartment. And my my my father and my mother-in-law, they both gave us the money to buy again all the things in America and then we got it here. But the kids next morning I called up Rabbi Hodakov. I told him what happened and the Reb's answer was no. This was the Reb's answer. >> But was interesting that the Reb didn't make any any fuse of it any made any you know like forget about it and keep on going. >> Mhm. >> He didn't make from it the whole story. >> Okay. So tell me tell me about So what were you doing there? What was the Huh? >> What did he do then those early years? >> Oh, [laughter] now first of all I tell you something. I'm not going let's change a little sader. A months later after we arrived, a few parents came to ask asking us we should start a a a girls seminary, a high school. Why? Because these girls were learning in a basakov school in Buenosirus and there here what used to be election there are elections here in the hill. And there are also like in Israel you have the part different parties the same parties you have in Argentina also for the and [clears throat] you had in the two parties and the girls these girls didn't work for the party of the school they were for another khalisha party. >> It's like a party in the government. >> No, in the Ka. >> In the Ka. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. And there was a rabbi. He was a big big misnugget. He threw out all the girls. They didn't help for this party. And the parents of these girls came to us and told us they were connected more to Kabat. Those parents have some connection to Kabad Rabba Bongart. We should why don't we should open a a high school for the girls 15 girls. I wrote into the Reb and the Reb gave me an answeric answer. The Reb answered me like this. your starting point in your work between brackets the first year to put good fundament base strong base make strong and amplify the things that kabat as in Argentina they already exist existing and the word massudor underlined. That means everything well organized. And the Rebe gave me to understand that he wants me to build up an organized institution. Not just I to start a new a new way of work of kabat in Argentina in a well organized institutional way. And Daniel wrote, "Oh, no. This is the first thing is to Does alcohol to concur conquer public opinion on agra how you say on a pleased pleasant and peaceful way. Then he wrote me Misukanal an institution of this type we're talking about 15 girls will demand from you ro the the majority of your attention and your time and I wrote that this is also connected to no to what I wrote you before between brackets. >> So it's going to be a distraction. >> Yeah. From your from your >> Yes. And when he wrote me everything like a show at the end he wrote concuring public opinion the pleasant way is opposite of going and open an institution because they threw out the girls. You go and you open another institution. This is not the way that I want you to work. This for me is a fundamental mamesh calf line. Things has to be meas has to be solid as a base has to be strong. Yeah. And then the told me even you don't do things better. You have a 15 girls receiving education. You have to put yourself into it. You don't do it. 15 girls talking 48 years ago is another way. It's not like today have the problems. We didn't have the problems that we have today. said, "No, you type of you have to put yourself inside. You don't do it." And also the I'm still working on it to do things well organized. I didn't accomplish it yet. [laughter] Okay. Why did I say this? You ask me what did I do at the beginning? When I came here, there was some inabat what things rabbi bombard did before first of all to take I remember I just came off started there was the whole learning was already the whole campaigns started already in the talking we were already was a lot and then we started going with the people going with those people close to an to go onto was a big big work big work >> that wasn't and that wasn't really done yet in Argentina >> that wasn't done yet in Argentina >> that was yes done but now I came I have to take care of now and also was yeshiva had a yeshiva let's say 20 25 kids uh gold every one of them. >> The one that you were in when did I because when I was I was in yeshiva >> he had his own yeshiva at that point. >> Yes. After he was thrown out from yeshiva >> and also there was an organization that was connected to Rabbi Bumgarten. The since they were connected to Rabbi Bumgarten they were also thrown out from from their building. And then when they were thrown out and Rabbi Banker was thrown out from from Yeshu because came this same Miss Nagish rabbi came then he he he made sure throughout everybody and then today there's no these things don't exist anymore everything I'm talking story from 48 years ago. >> Mhm. [snorts] >> And um he started his own yeshiva. He started on Yeshiva in a in a apartment that a family close to him. Abut family helped him gave him an apartment to for the Shiva and Him Lidas started. No, he was there. He were Yeah. Yeah, he was already back. He was already back from New York and he he was supporting the yeshiva financially and he started the yeshiva and and this was the basis o of of the basis of anash was the yeshiva that he made and from then came out the the first when I came I I appointed started the first thing I did was to start Mahn Gamroll Gamroll camp. We got married with Tamos and Tamos here in Argentina is winter vacation and first of all we had in Argentina. We restarted. I went with Rabbi Daniel four years already in city Tukum. One and a half hours by plane from Buenosiris and we went to Merkash in whole provinces of Argentina, 10 cities each time for a whole months and uh was Merkash also this year. And we started a camp with this same Bim started a camp. I was in New York getting married but we had a camp here in Argentina for none from children was a camp from none from children and this was the first let's say na camp ganis we had like 40 50 kids overnight camp not from not from families they had the immune they have the confidence to give their children to these Orthodox rabbis. It was a special time also in Argentina politically. It was under a military regime and all organizations were like closed by by the government. All the youth organizations that mainly they were more lefties they were closed. That's why I didn't know the whole thing but dismay that a lot of kids. We brought kids from all from all the country. We traveled with with a boss from bringing from from different cities. We brought kids 70 kids. This was half a year later we had a summer camp. And later on I tell you right away the first months I was asked from a school called Wolson school to teach the kids bar mitzvah. Okay. I taught these kids bar mitzvah. Some of them I just found them 48 years later. [laughter] Yeah. But the main the main story is that 20 years ago we took over the Wson school kabat >> the school was going into bankruptcy by a ness mamesh we took over the school the school just had 118 children left and today the school has 550 children. >> Yeah. But this was the first school where I went in that I taught the children to put on film. It was a conservative school under the conservative movement. But the manel was orthodoxminded. That's why she called me to teach. This was the first page say outside. Yeah. >> Were there um other that you got from the over the years for the I had a settle. I I had a [sighs and gasps] we I had a talle. I wrote I wrote to the rep after two three years I was on. Yeah. Three years. I uh the the called for a meeting called for a meeting for all the orthodox organizations that assimilation is very strong and now nobody is doing nothing. I was sitting there and I felt very bad. What do you mean nobody's doing nothing? We were working. We were used to go to schools. We had we had suka mobilebiles. We going to all the non religious schools. We used to go to all the country clubs of the non-religious. We were everybody. We gave shi we we we brought professor branov all of us to Argentina to give lectures. We had great great persistence mameish great persistence we had here. And uh how do they say nobody's doing anything? Okay, you can say it's not enough but not to mention the work of Kabat and when I wrote D to the re used to write a D everything that's going on. I wrote the D I wrote about this meeting and I wrote they had they didn't mention the work of Kabat but they didn't ask for the question. And he was part of a whole long d. And next to it, the Reb put a question mark and and how do you say exclamation mark and wrote next to the words? What means who? Val had the whole mice about the matis. You know them? I mean >> what's the story? >> Huh? >> What's the story of the matis? >> Yeah. Story of the matters was Maliff Memb I don't remember malef was a big big devaluation in Argentina of the dollar of the peso and somebody told and also in Brazil and somebody told the reb about it and thought that it's going to be a problem with matches because you bring mats come from Israel and you pay dollars and it's going to be a prize that people will be able to afford it. And Rabbi Hodakov contact me and ask me if there is enough mats. Really, I didn't see a special but he asked me if they're matches. I told him really there's not enough mats because there was here a main a main factory baking mat but the main production was without know nothing and if I make a most of the people in the street used to buy these mats and they brought masses from Israel but for let's say 10,000 kilos 5,000 kilos not for the whole for 100,000 Jews that live in Bonosai 150,000 Jews The kids said, I answered, "No, it's not enough. It's how much you need." I told him, "No, if there are 200,000 Jews, at least one kilo per per Jew for a whole week. 1 kilo mat for Jew. I need 200,000 kilos." 200,000 kilos is like 400,000 pounds. Need 400,000. >> I said, "How many match has arrived?" 2 and a half,000 kilos. Okay, that's what it is. But the Reb was very involved in it. Mamesh very involved in it. And I felt that the RE was on the on the telephone, I think. So, but >> and uh I wrote everything to the Rebe everything to the Reb what we did. Even I also wrote there was a satir rod though. There was a friend of mine that he was asking me what's what's going on because the matters were machine matters were machine matters machine he asked me why you give out mis was I think of salv why don't you bring a better ash from machine mis I wrote everything to the rabbi the kids are next year. Next year I was in New York together with Rabbi Vitman and Rabbi Hodakov calls us and we used to go all theat when the summer here go to New York. It was before Pesak and >> we used to go to Vitment together. >> No, no, no. But he was also from Brazil is the same. Yeah. Yeah. And we were both I ju I just interviewed him and he spoke about how you and him went to Russia together. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. But here is another story. This this story took place in 770 >> and uh Raakov called both and he asked us if we need matzah for this year. How much matzah do we need? He asked how much matzah do we need? I told last year you asked me how much m do we need? I told you we need 200,000 kilos. You send two and a half thousand. Whatever you will send, we will use. That's what I told him. Two days later, Rabakov calls us again to his room and tell us the reb was very nonpleased from your answer. You have to say what you need. You don't have to make the calculation of the other person. From there I also got a strong hoya. Then we had another thing that um some yeshiva wanted we should take them over. We we wrote to the reb about it that they they came and they want to give over the whole yeshiva. And the Reb answered the Reb was very involved. The Reb was on the telephone speaking to me about it and even giving the name. But the Reb had a clear condition. Kaba doesn't make with nobody and said because when you have two different this is the way for has to be one Balab boss there's one Balab boss no mas okay didn't want to do something in conjunction >> yes if we take over we take them in consideration the Reb wanted to keep their name everything take them in consideration >> like Los Angeles the >> Yeah. Yeah. the Reb brought them them the Reb brought the example from Los Angeles. The Reb said >> to you in your >> Yes. On the phone. >> On the phone >> was speaking. Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Like the spoke. You heard the deb on the telephone. >> Yes. Yes. like other and he said yeshiva benocus ben no the ish was called okay I don't want to give more details about it and and at the end they said there should be a vat of three balim if there is any any misunderstanding They should be like a consulting vat. And said like he he drew himself out of it. Seems like this. Huh? >> Like that's that's all that's all I'm saying about this topic. >> Yes. Yes. And Reb said every night before the previous says everything has to be legal. Has to be legal. Legal legal. That's why I'm saying it because I think this is a hoya port in in in a >> schol. >> And when I came into Yahidas half a year later more than half a year later came into Yahidas in the room that the first thing the asked me what happened with the yeshiva. This is the first thing the Reb asked me. I said, I told to the laughed and said, You don't so you don't you don't have to blame it on the I'm saying I'm telling you [laughter] >> and then the says don't worry don't become this uh how do you say don't don't become uh this uh >> dejected dejected. >> No, don't don't become uh without don't be don't feel bad. Let's say don't feel bad. Keep on going your your your work and give big >> well ishabad. >> Yeah. Today is today is big is 160 and we're now thinking about rebuilding the whole the building. No. What are you talking? They couldn't believe it. Wow. Okay. There's a story you had with me answer. >> Oh, this was 10 years. >> Yeah. 10 years after I was on I wrote a title to the Reb >> asking but I wrote that I feel after 10 years I feel more I feel weaker and weaker that's what I wrote the rabb pointed about What did I understand? You are that means you feel weak. You feel weakness. is feeling weak and we if you are you cannot feel like that I wrote to the after 10 years of I was expecting some kind of a but if you don't feel after 10 years you don't feel the privilege you don't feel you're strong you don't feel the sing you don't feel the you. >> Okay, that's good. Did you ever write to the Reb about uh the of of the the kaspi? You know, the financial burden that that you have uh any interactions with the about that? >> It was another story. You you want to hear the whole the whole 48 years in uh in in three hours. Anyways, what was was touching me and base was the war of the malvenas in England. In England they call it folklands but this is really valas are Argentine and they are malvenas not fans. >> Okay. [laughter] is was the war. It was a very hard time also economically in the in country and I had to go and pick up some 500 copies of of to of the week was the saua the weekly s and I didn't have money for the boss to go pick up the the but I cannot call up somebody asking do you have money to go with the boss say I called somebody for donation then I called another and The people answered me, you know, I already went through a war. I'm really thinking what's going to do here if I'm staying here. I got two answers like this. I just felt what what's going on here? Yeah. I pick up the phone. It was 2:00 in the afternoon Argentina time. Maybe in America it was 1:00 or 12:00. Anyways, but it was a time when in order to get in contact to America, you needed two to three days to make the connection and also later on that America should call you back to also used to take another day to make the connection. the mice. I I pick up the phone, I call up, five minutes later, I get connected to the international service. Okay, I already got connected. They connected me to 770. But 770 had two telephone numbers that were known for everybody. Mosquitoes and 493525 uh 4939251. These were two the two telephone numbers of mosquitoes and they were always busy. Always busy. You have only two telephones in the world central two telephone lines busy the whole time. Even if pick up I had to I wanted to speak to Ra Kakov to speaking about the situation. Dman because Raikov worked in Meros and in Mach and I don't know other things what he and and if he was working for Meros he didn't pick up Mach things if he was working Mach didn't pick up for Meros things I don't know where he was holding exactly if you can pick up my phone that means I had to go through a lot of a lot of barriers till I got to Rabakov [clears throat] but here got connected to America right away. Telephone rings. It's not busy sign. It's ringing. Rabbi Klein right away to Rabbi Kakov. Nope. I tell him the whole story. What's going on? And I leave it. That's it. Okay. We'll call him back. 10 minutes later I got a phone call from Rabbi K also take one day right away I saw that the the tear of him and how often says you ask for money a time ago tick this was like in was it was or by asking for money. >> I'm not following. You asked for money before. >> Yes, in order but never got an answer about it. >> Okay. >> Mhm. No, I got an answer. Rabadakov told me you know what he told me was you coming to take money from the Kaiser's Oiter. You come from the treasure of the Sar. You come take money. You have to bring money to the SARS treasury. But you coming to take money from the SARS treasury. This was his answer [laughter] is but I forget about it. Okay. Uh is say you ask for money time ago. The Reb appointed to give you a loan. The Rebel wrote $2,000, but he changed it to 3,000. You should have an idea. In this time, a worker, a clean worker in the Biscabat used to receive $25 a month. >> That means 2,000 $3,000 was money, >> right? >> And Okay. and you give it back the way you want and when you want. And then the Reb gave you the Reb said I said like this the Reb said give over to you on the other we didn't send you to make the calculations of the economic policy of the country. Your job is spreading guide and spreading the mayus. You didn't say mayon. Yeah. Uh surely we talking about with confidence in the surely people will ask you what you think about the future. You should say you're not a prophet but you your job is to spread and the mayon. This was the answer. >> Unbelievable. And this is for me a key answer because if not I wouldn't be able to go over all kinds of crisis and situations that we went through here in Argentina. We started building the new building of the school that finished already three years ago in the worst moment of pandemia of of of COVID. We're not allowed to be two people together and then we start building. [laughter] The worst moment kids are uh but the story didn't finishes there. This was on a Tuesday Thursday a good friend of mine Mr. Solomon Suton, very prominent Sephardic family here in Argentina told me go to such such bank was a Jewish bank speak to the president ask him for a donation they have money now and I told him it's already after banking hours was after 3:00 :00 after 4:00 he says no problem you go you bank the door by the street you say you want to speak to the president and you ask for a donation okay I came there I bang the door it never occured me I can bank the door of a bank after banking hours but I went back the door they opened me I said I want come to speak to the president they let me go up to the president's office. I speak to the president secretary and and he goes into his office. He says, "Wait, he will receive you." At 7:00 he received me. I tell him, "You don't know me. I'm doing here the work of I know you very well. I know whatever you do. You don't have to tell me." Was first time I was meeting him. tell me what you need. And I told him, I have a depth of people $25,000 and he doesn't let me work because of the depth. I cannot do things because I have to concentrate the whole time and I have to pay paper. Says, "Don't worry. Tomorrow we give you the $25,000." >> Yeah. >> This was the first big donation that I received from a donor. I was receiving money from Lapid's family very nicely. Yeah. But for the Shiva but from somebody out of the Kabad circle was the first big dish. Then I received Mr. millions from them >> from the from the bank. >> Yes. >> Wow. >> The the bank went bankruptcy. It's a whole story. >> Okay. So, that's a little bit of a taste of the of the the miracles of So, did you did you bring to the Reb? >> Sure. >> Any story? Any stories that you want to share about that? I brought about a boss to the reb that he broke he went bankruptcy three times. He was a giver and three times he is govern and he came to the level with me. He didn't have money for the tickets. He asked for a >> by dollars. What? What is it? >> No, no, no. >> And as for the bro and since then he became [snorts] but lately and also he wanted to marry his children and have not one child married. Didn't have no money. In one year he married two of his three children. But this year, just a few weeks ago, one of children showed me a letter that the Reb wrote to his father. Then I didn't know about the letter. The Reb tells him wants to thank him for his help. what he's doing for the mises of the reb especially what he's doing to make biggeras hamsters the Reb sent him the some the Reb thanking him for what he's doing for the Mes especially for Harov is and underlined Then I have some other battling. I cannot tell the stories because they are too private. Miracles. There's a video of someone asking with you I think by that if she heard that the said whoever wants to be can raise their hands but she wasn't there. So she's asking the for that. No. >> Yeah, sure. >> That's just something that I saw. >> They've had this family. >> Yes. And they know that the co is of the reb last week I was by the oil. I called him up. I asked him if he wants to ask something special and he says should be able to do Ver the Albert this and then I tell him no you are a partner of the Reb. He tells me no a soldier. Amazing. So let's end off like this. Um, how do you uh live with the today in your personal life and and what does it mean to be aid after? >> We leave it for after Mashiach comes >> what >> if we leave it after Mashiach comes. Okay, it's this is too personal. How your is too personal? >> Who says I'm a at least you sound like one? >> I know. But you ask me to be not to sound like this. You can other people can can can give you. So what's the message to to me or to anyone that listens that wants to be today that we connect to the rabbi today the way you're describing it then this is the way through this you have you have everything through this you get to everything through this you live with the reb and you actually get to everything >> it's that simple Yes. Oh, it's simple to say. You have to do it. Yes. You learn, you are living it. Then okay, then you you work on yourself. Then you work on yourself. But you have what bit what to work. >> Mhm. You work with the Reb. You don't work with with your stomach ideas. Sounds very simple and a big aa and uh I appreciate very much that uh this very conversation and you should continue uh to fulfill the >> Amen. I hope it's it's how do you say >> 100% it definitely will be. Bye-bye.