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And the Reba asked me, "Do you learn
every day?"
So I looked for the closest hole to jump
in.
A 14-year-old little I wasn't a big
learner. And I I had to be honest.
So the Reb said,
"A ready 14 should be learning every
day." But I know my older brother Yitzk
told me when he heard that it gave him a
big push and he was extra careful.
>> There's an often overlooked element and
way to connect to the Reba and this is
something that's supposed to be done on
a routine basis. I'm referring to the
giving of MMD.
Mid is one of the pillars of Iskash and
you can stay tuned later on in the
episode to hear more about it and how
you can be a part of it.
I'm Yasi Cayman. Welcome to among
an ongoing faban about life as a vibrant
connection with the Reba and inspired
living shaped by the way he teaches us
each and every day.
Shalom. Ra Goldstein. How are you?
>> Okay. Thank you for being here. You're
you're a big part of my life besides
besides being a part of everyone's life
through um the the living sedra and
mikra and various other endeavors the
the tapes you have tape. Right. Besides
that, I was also your Talmud in
first grade in Ala. So it's uh it's I
think that it's been a while since we
had a long conversation a few years. So
first of all let's just start off. I
know your name used to be Ley and now
your name is so what's that about Levy?
>> Yeah.
>> Maybe you could tell me about that.
>> Well I wasn't conscious when I got the
name.
This was six years over six years ago
during COVID.
I was uh I merited to be the first
kronites patient to be brought to the
emergency room during COVID right after
Purim the Sunday after.
And I woke up it was already kmite pes
and I said when's pes and they said it
happened already.
>> Wow.
And they didn't want to tell me right
away that they changed my name.
But they found someone in Australia
who still had his shul open.
And by Monday morning,
they were able to change from Ley to
Levy.
And when they later broke the news to
me, they said, "Do you do you mind?" I
said as long as it's not like tadres or
something like that
is a good name I like it
>> right
>> so since then became ley
>> okayavis
>> amen
>> so let's start from the beginning when
you were named Ley when you were born so
uh you you're
who you named after
well my father was a schlak in New Haven
at the time 1952
and he was working for me
and one of the co-workers was Relville
Shieldra Alabashan.
So my first brother is Zarak
named after family. Next one is Shalom.
Next one was my father wanted to give
from the he was born right after the
but my father's name is
so he gave the third one the name
comes to me number four what do we name
him
and velv gave the idea how about calling
after the father's the father's name
so he couldn't call me Ley because my
older brother was already so I got the
name Ley
>> Ley. Okay, good. So you mentioned your
father. So why don't we step back a
little bit and I want to hear a little
bit about your father. Everyone knows
Uncle Yasi
um both from the I know it was
originally the radio show all all those
stories
>> and also records. and the records
everyone knows tapes I grew up on it and
uh hakinik march all of that
>> but there's a lot we actually had in the
once extensive article based on that
that he he wrote and he said and there's
a lot there so maybe you could tell me a
little bit
about your father and how he ended up in
770 and we're not going to get
everything because we could do a whole
podcast just on him but uh tell me a a
little bit about him.
>> My father was born in Providence, Rhode
Island.
He was born 1927.
A short time before that was arrested.
He was born
was arrested.
My grandparents didn't know anything
about at that time although they were
fully religious. In fact, there were the
only Shabas in town and a lot of rebis
would pass through Providence.
They would they would pass and come into
his house, my Zadi's house. They know
this is a kosher place.
And they they used to call him Mos the
Sham Shabas.
>> He's from Europe.
>> He's from Romania.
>> Romania. Okay.
and his wife came from Anipala from
Ukraine.
She wasn't born there. She was born in
America.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. Her par parents came from Ukraine.
>> Okay.
>> Actually, she w she was descendant
of the the
one who alb
came used to come to his house. He was
very close with him. And a short time
after Alterba made the new the new
writing for Parius and say called the
Alterav
a short time after that he came to
Anipoll and Alba saw him writing this
Nuke
said where did you get it from?
He says
told me that there's a new accepted in
heaven, a new writing and he wants to
have these new par
and I have to have it ready for him for
>> he says that's why I wasn't able to give
you much attention when you came. This
what I'm telling you is printed and
safer
at the very end a letter to Rabbi
Greenlass and in the footnotes it has
the story which originates from Yaga
publication one of those uh
publications.
Anyhow, getting back to our generation,
it was 1929,
the big crash, the depression.
My Zeda sent the kids to public school
like everyone did. There was no H yes
then.
The rabbi's son also went to public
school, but they used to go with their
yamoka.
One day my saw that his oldest son
Israel was not wearing his yamaha.
He says, "What's this about?"
See, he says, "Well, the rabbi son took
it off. So, I'm doing the same."
It was then and there that my zeda, my
grandfather decided this is not a place
to raise kids. And he heard that in New
York in Burough Park there are yeshivas.
were packing up. He had a printing
business
in those days. Go sell a business during
the depression. He sold it. He sold it
for pennies. Just enough money to have
carfair to bring the family. Brought
them
>> to uh to Borough Park. Enrolled them in
Titus Semis.
>> Teras.
>> Titus Semis and Borough Park. Who was
running the show in Burough Park? Robbie
Jacobson. Uh there were a few lab there
Simpson
>> I don't know if he was he was in Bora
Park but in terms
I think it was Rabi Jacobson was the
principal and I said then who was your
teacher he says Rabbi Zmanov Zmanov
Rabi
and one day Rab Zmanov picked himself up
he's not teaching anymore what happened
the fleet declare came to Brooklyn to to
America and he wanted to be in Crown
Heights whatever
but he had uh
>> Phil opened up yeah whatever my father
was my father didn't go there yet
>> right okay
>> about two years later
it's 1942
he finally made it he came to semi
how do you find out because of these
labavatures who were teaching and
running the school terrace and that's
where Rabbi Simpson's boys were learning
that's where everyone went was no mim
then
when he came gets onto the train the new
lot train
no one knows what that is today number
three
and he's looking for 770 he knows it's
Eastern Parkway he gets off by Eastern
Parkways he's a sign in the train
station. Get out. He sees a big massive
building. This is Lavich. He didn't know
that was actually the museum.
It's It's interesting. It's a common
mistake. I've heard this from other
people that the first time they came to
the Reba, they got off at Eastern
Parkway. Eastern Parkway. Yeah. It's the
wrong stop. And he came to 770 and he
told me when he walked in to 770
he saw the freed for the very first time
there was some kind of messa gathering
connection with Mishna because the made
a whole thing about studying Mishna.
they want to take part in it
and it was like a maum
or kuca or something was going on
finishing all mishna or
and then he he became the 770 boy that
means rabbi barel kaskkin one of the
helpers of the kabba said to him you're
American boy you can speak English
you'll be in charge of 770 Many people
come they they ask questions like a
policeman comes or a mailman. There was
it's not like there were a thousand
people there. There were barely a half a
million there. I mean there was no one
there. So he said we'll give you a room
to sleep in 770.
And he slept for a while in a room
that's called Evad Raskin's room.
Another period he slept downstairs where
later they made it into the bath toilet.
That means the one on the ground from
near the elevator
and he was a big helper for the things
they
the waiter who would serve the freed
my father would was there and didn't eat
much so and they would give it to my
father
maybe to bring to the kitchen whatever
and my father would take it downstairs
and share it out with the bak a piece
the bread, the soup, whatever.
When my father
or in 1946,
they needed someone in Rochester
to help out the over there who was
running a school and they needed a and
someone to help to teach.
So the
called my father in
I found out about this later in the
recent years cuz wine garden wineart
wrote a book called
something like that
>> and he's preparing the next book in the
next book it says here is from yul
goldstein in this and this time the
freed and whatever said to
He sent him off. He said, "We need for a
few weeks like two weeks or three, I
don't remember how long should be
there."
He went to Rochester.
I think it was hilman I think was was
the there from Chicago.
After a few weeks, my father said, my
father used to tell me that they used to
have to chop wood
because it was freezing in the place and
they had to go schle and this it was
very
>> very difficult circumstances but he was
there for a few weeks
and he was happy that he did his and he
took takes his bags and goes back home.
Short time after that he gets a very
sharp letter from the fitba
mua noatam
why did you leave you're supposed to
always obey command
and you don't do things on your own you
have to be devoted and very sharp letter
and from now on do only what you're told
like very strict like in the army you
don't play around
he knew someone told him it's for two
weeks or in the beginning
>> they told him. Yeah. The father told me
it was just a temporary thing,
>> right?
>> And he finished his term,
>> right?
>> And went back. He didn't he did it
innocently.
>> Mhm.
>> So,
and uh there's a few there's a bunch of
interesting things from your father. We
read the article.
There's interesting interesting things
that he observed at the for example.
What's not so famous which I like
telling people is that the whole idea
that we say
on a day there's no we say as part of
>> right
>> so we have a whole tear from your father
he yeah
>> how he he was by I think upstairs in the
room yes
>> there's a minion and he said
it was revealed to that day they don't
say
>> you say
>> yeah I'm these amazing amazing things
that he observed by
>> um so after Rochester sister. So he
stayed there for a while
and then so
>> then he came back.
>> Mhm.
>> And he got married 1946.
>> He got married
>> my birthday in H.
>> Ho. That's right.
>> I remember as a kid I look at the mad
I saw that date.
>> It was my birthday.
>> Nice.
>> So he got married and then and then he
went to New Haven.
>> Not right away. He was in a few places.
He was in Providence. He was a in
Springfield.
And and then when I was born, 1952, he
was ach.
lived in Par Bor Park on 14th Avenue
and then we moved into the house on New
York and President Street 346 New York
Avenue where the Reba was living on the
fourth floor and we lived on the second
floor. So tell me about that. That was
an experience even though I was a little
kid then.
But I remember we used to run over to
the window to watch the come to watch
the go. The is coming is going. It was
like an excitement. I'm number four of
the kids and my sister was born. My only
the sister after me was four years after
me almost four years. So I was the
fourth boy for a long time.
And we used to play for bangan.
One used to imitate he's khadikov
standing on the side. He used to have
his hand on the side like standing.
Another one was raik. And
>> this is the games that the kids that you
guys are playing.
>> Yes.
My older brother
>> by the way
and used to play. This is this is a
tradition.
>> Yeah.
My older brothers, older brothers who
were like four, five, six,
they used to play in front of the house
with their bicycles. When the Rebu would
come, the Rebu would give them attention
either make with his hand that they
should sing.
Um,
my father told me that he noticed that
when the Reb would leave to 770,
if you were outside, you could see the
Rebbitson standing by the window
and watching him cross the street. And
after the Reb crossed New York Avenue,
the Rebbitson the Reb would look up to
her, turn around about face and wave to
her
>> every time.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> The Reb would walk down New York to East
Parkway.
>> He would walk down president.
>> And president.
>> President. Yeah.
>> Wow.
Um, were there other interactions that
uh your parents or had with the with the
Reba and the and the Rabbitson when they
were living there?
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. My my mother told me it
was once a forbrining
and Rebson wanted to go home. She was
there. She was where she was in 770
probably by her sister while the reba's
forbranging and my mother was by that
where was probably upstairs the small sh
in the zal
and she says to my mother it's late
maybe we can walk together
and they walked home I said what did you
talk about as I was too scared
>> no
>> but my parents used to share with the
rabbits and if someone was born or
things going on, there were
interactions.
My mother, if I remember correctly, the
details
came down
the the Reb came down from his apartment
through the elevator.
The Reb walks out. He sees my mother
standing with a package.
It look like she's carrying groceries,
whatever. So the Reba held the elevator
open. It was actually a bag of garbage
she was taking out. But to be a
gentleman,
the Reb waited for her. So she went
quickly into that
>> elevator.
Yeah.
>> My father told me the Rebi used to go
into the apartment. He used to jump up
the stairs like a deer.
>> Like two at a time.
>> I don't know the details. He said he's
mama should run run up the stairs.
>> So the rabbi didn't take the elevator
himself.
>> I don't know.
>> Yeah.
Um and then
so you were born.
>> Yeah.
>> You said and when did the
So the the
>> was when I was in a haven.
>> Right. And but the rabb and the rabbit
only lived there.
>> He lived there only a few years.
>> Yeah. like till tough.
>> No, I mean not a few I don't remember
which year they moved. Maybe they moved
in the 40s.
>> No, no, I'm saying to the pres to to
their house on present day.
>> They moved to their new house like after
a year that we were there,
>> right? I think like your dalled I think
I think they moved to that house.
>> My father tells me one time he came
home. It was a stormy wintry night
and my father's walking to the apartment
building and with his collar covered
over like picked it up and suddenly she
hears someone calling by the Reb's name
he takes a look the Rebbitson
is call using the Reb's second name and
he should picked up his oh it's not
it looked like was you know some Reb
used to walk
>> Yeah. Like that there's a video but by
the collar.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow. Your father also did like um this I
don't know if this is chronologically
the right order. Your father started the
photography thing.
>> My grandfather My grandfather is very
much into
>> Your grandfather
>> My grandfather his his father
>> Yeah. very much into recording things,
keeping things. It should stay.
>> Okay.
>> In Hebrew it's called
that should stay on pictures.
>> But your your father took videos of the
Reb. No.
>> Yeah. Took from the Reb, took from the
family was very much into
>> video.
>> Yeah. Into memor making things
memorable. It's true.
>> So I think like some of the famous clips
I think
>> Yeah. the s
>> my father provided the loudspeaker for
the fabbrangan in the holes I don't know
maybe also when it was in 770
and
I remember the tape recorder exactly and
the microphone that I used to hold
>> right and then uh so I guess that stayed
in the family like your brother Shan
took to all these videos
>> yes
>> um so when the reb moved to um his house
on President Street. You have memories
that you you guys were still living
there. So, do you have memories from the
Reba from then or
>> Absolutely. I there's something I will
never ever forget.
Right next door to the Reb's house was
the bus
and they had a kindergarten in the
basement.
When I turned probably four years old,
my mother enrolled me in that
kindergarten. There was no Babach Shiva
kindergarten in those days. Babish Shiva
first grade if you're 5 years old you
can go into Babach Shiva Bedford and
Dean.
>> Mhm.
>> But there was no kindergarten. Ala
didn't even exist then.
So my mother enrolled me in that
kindergarten and she she used to walk me
from 346
New York Avenue right near the Debb's
house when we were lucky and the Reba
was coming out of the house. I was to
get the waving to me and smiling
>> and something that you remember.
>> Yeah. Can't forget that.
>> Oh no.
Okay. And um so you had your upsh
and you're growing up right next to the
kindergarten.
Um in general what was the so what was
the atmosphere
amongst the kids in in70
saying you you' go to fabian like what
was going on then?
>> Yeah was for us a nice uh
>> how many kids were there?
>> Not many not many. It was the Goldstein
family, Bulisovski family, Lipker
family,
a few a few more families. It was like
>> So now a few
>> Yeah.
We used to go into the FBI, run out,
play, come back in,
and uh someone just reminded me a few
days ago, I forgot who.
Oh yeah,
there's a guy who used to live in Crown
Heights. His brother has a shul in
Woodburn. He's called the the
Nichollsburg.
So his brother, I met him over there. He
says, "Ah, I remember the Fabrangans."
And he said, "The Rebi used to by
singing was louder than the whole." I
remember that too. I was all the way in
the back and you heard the Reb sing
I used to hear it that was so loud.
Yeah. You can you can hear the on the
tapes
later years the Reba would start the
niggan sometimes but rarely would sing
but the early years would I mean that
whole series
they're mainly from the early years you
know when the you could hear the
singing. So you remember that. Um, you
also remember
the AB's mother I'm assuming.
>> Yeah, I had a few encounters with her.
>> Maybe you could share that with me.
>> When we were with kids,
I followed the the crowd. That means my
older brothers and they used to run to
Rabbi Sahana's house to hold the door
open.
Sahana lived next door to what's called
1414, the Baham's dormatory. It's the
second building from the corner. 1418.
>> 1418. That's where she lived on the
ground floor.
And the doors were maybe from 1800, I
don't know, but a big heavy massive
doors to push it open. You need a lot of
strength.
So whenever we knew that was coming or
Khan is coming, we would run and hold
the door open for them and we'll get a
dank.
And I remember when the Rebi used to
BL used to accompany Rabbana and Yantiff
from his room after Davening Rabbit
Sahana would come to Davening. They had
a special seat in the ladies section and
then she would come up to the Reb's room
be there a short time and the Reb would
open the door with her and the Reb is
holding her with it by the arm
and walking her to the door the entrance
of 770
and then rabbits and menik and rabbits
cats I think they're sisters
>> used to take her side by side and walk
her home and the rebu would watch her go
until she turned into Kingston Avenue.
When you can't see her anymore, the Reb
turned back and went into his room as
was like religiously always the cover
that he gave for his mother. So when we
saw her them coming, I ran ahead
to open up the door and I held it open
and she would come in and I'll get a
thank you dying cuz one time I got a pad
on my shoulder.
>> Yeah, I still feel it.
>> Your mom you were like a little kid
then.
>> Yeah, I was maybe 8 years old. A little
kid. No,
wasn't and wasn't there um there was
something I think I remember that uh
they were saying who you guys are
>> the Reb and
once commented about
>> who said it
>> I don't remember
>> okay
>> these are the grandchildren of Mrs.
winter of the winter cuz the winters
were very close with the with the and
then the
>> there are letters from the fried
in 1943
to my that I see from that my
grandparents got in Pittsburgh when they
were living there that's my mother's
parents
encouraging them I just saw I discovered
recently
three letters
which should
publicized me as hashem.
one letter the freed writes to my
grandfather winter
that I understand that you work very
hard and you come last minute Friday
and says don't come to your house last
minute you must come a few hours earlier
because your kids will see how much you
respecting Shabas will have an influence
on them
a nice beautiful letter it's printed in
the in the
in the safice in the sorry
it's printed in the mill of the
last there's that letter there
a year that's tavis that's in the month
of tavis a year later
there's another letter
You must take upon yourself to be home
getting ready for shabas at least two
around two hours before shabas
very strict very much
and uh then I see a letter like maybe
half a year later or something I'm happy
to hear that you're you're coming on
time
and my and my had a miracle because he
was listening he listened to the freed
the KBA
and he left the place early.
He had a big miracle. That place had a
hurricane or a tornado and hundreds of
people got killed. They're harmed,
injured and he was that's the place he
would usually be at that time.
>> Friday afternoon.
>> Yeah. At that at that time. But he the
says have to come back early.
>> Wow.
>> Misha saved his life.
I remember I don't remember the but
there was told to call somebody. It was
out of Shabas and the Reb said it's out
of Shabas a few hours before Shabas
a yid you could find him in his house
out of Shabas right before Shabas. So
you call call him in his home
such a story.
>> Yeah.
>> Beautiful. Okay. So the
saying is
winter's
>> there's a letter. So what happened
>> with me
>> when they said that this is winter's
>> time to identify us they said they saw
us by the door
>> wasn't there an addition
is gulin
>> maybe it was another time yeah I also
remember something like that vague you
know you're talking about
>> did I've identified you okay
>> 100 years ago like
there's a letter in the tolman
in Chicago
and the
writes to him, you don't know what to do
with the youth.
Let me tell you, there are two winter
sisters in Pittsburgh who make mass
shabas.
There's a girl Yehudis
in New York in Crown Heights makes a
shabas party. There are young kids via
Gabb says one is 11, one is 13 or
something and you don't know what to do.
Hm.
>> That's mashabas, which I think we'll get
to that soon because you have something
to do with that.
>> My mother would all her years she would
make
she would she would do it at home, call
neighbors in.
>> Yeah, that was the whole thing.
That was that was one of the first in
America.
>> Okay. So, let's go back to you a little
bit. So
um so you started going to Bedford in
Ind. I'm assuming at a certain point
>> when I was five
>> five years old
>> I turned five in El
and I was enrolled in first grade. I had
Rabbi Bernstein
in the second grade I had Rabbi Marlo.
>> I remember when I was in your class
I think it's um so you hung up a picture
of of Rabi Marlo teaching. You had a a
photograph of Oh yeah.
>> of him teaching. I think you might have
been in the picture. Yeah,
>> we have a class photograph with him.
>> No, there was like he was like in he was
like teaching I think in the middle of
teaching or something.
>> I don't remember some something some
picture was hanging in the classroom.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> But he taught what? He taught the second
grade.
>> He taught Kesh or Kaidesh. Kaidesh. In
the afternoon he taught.
Okay.
>> Grade one.
So you went
>> I went
the first graf
I went to Rabbi Bernstein and that's it
and we used to go home in the afternoon.
Kabay
instead of going home I used to sit in
Rabbi Marlo's class
for the afternoon where he taught us how
to count fat 5 10 15 20 25 30 like basic
stuff that was the English that we
learned but then my parents pulled me
out of English the whole none of us
learned they asked about it
>> yeah my mother told me inas she asked
asked the Reba and the Reba no one
should go to English except for one of
my brothers, one of my siblings who had
a zitles was difficulty to sit you know
he needed variety for whatever reason
the say he can go
didn't get much out of it but so but you
had but but I was one of those that
discouraged and so we used to have an
afternoon class
was someone a
was a he took care of a class. Rabbi
Tanam had a afternoon class.
Ah
okay. Um what are some other things that
you remember
like from your early years like you
remember the the rabbi teaching the
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I don't remember that.
Well,
I remember my mother bringing me
to the
where did where the rebba where did we
go and the back of the the whole sh was
very small then the downstairs sh
so the rebba is all the way up front
and we were by where they have steps
going up Now
you know which steps I mean the little
steps that go up and go to the
wherever's office is,
>> right? That was in the out that was
outdoors.
>> It was was no we came in the ladies were
in the back there. It was such a small
crowd that the ladies used to be able to
be there
when the Fbrangas were in the little
zal. The ladies used to be by the
windows from outside on watch
and I if I'm not mistaken
maybe in this in the sheni in the second
small room maybe in any case so I
remember standing there and they would
seeing the sham's niggan repracticing
because the rebba taught it. So this is
already the next day.
>> Yeah.
>> So when the reb wasn't there? No
told him to to sing it again.
>> I think that was the I think by the rabb
in the morning
and they would sing it. They would sing
it again. I think that's the way it
worked.
>> So you remember that
>> you remember that scene you see all
in the back of the
>> Wow.
Um and then you remember the other
nonoso.
>> Yeah, I remember
I remember uh who you remember the
teaching.
>> Yeah, was holding a sitter.
>> This is already downstairs in the in the
show in front of I think it was by
Kadesh. I don't remember.
>> S was holding a sucking in.
>> Okay. So
you're in bedin and uh
but so you mainly saw the raba
on chambas I imagine
>> and if we're lucky in the school bus
going on Brooklyn Avenue Brooklyn Avenue
was going the other direction
going instead of from Eastern Parkway to
Empire Boulevard was going Empire the
other direction the traffic going north.
So we used to
pay a nickel to the bus driver. Was he a
bus driver? His name was Pearlstein.
We used to ask him to coordinate that we
should be when the Reb is going some
somehow.
And we used to look out of the window.
We used to sing
and the Reb would hear us and the Reb
would make with his hand that we should
sing while walking.
>> Yeah.
Wow. So this was uh
>> this is exclusive reba for you.
>> Yeah. It's amazing.
>> I also had exclusive reba for shabas
time.
>> That that was in your that was later
when you were both
>> that was Yeah, it was already.
>> So I want to get to that. I just go I'm
just going chronologically. So let's I
guess let's move on to
>> Yeah. And um
and then you had subsequent.
>> Yeah.
>> Was there anything from
>> a few times we had only a few as a bak
to go alone
>> right about your birthday?
>> Yeah.
>> So was there anything you want to share
from those?
>> Well, I took my father's tapes that he
has
and I transferred it into digital.
He has a lot of lot of stuff family
stuff a lot of stuff and interviewing us
ley what happened in for mitzvah and I
would say what the deba said to me the
brahas and everything really
>> I don't remember it but I heard it while
I was just recently transferring and I
would say what the said don't ask me now
I forgot already
>> that's a amazing
>> has a whole story that
>> never forgot the think
>> because his grandmother would ask him
>> he because she reminded him.
>> Yeah.
>> He remembered the he was mish little kid
I think. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So when I was turned 14
that was the first time that I went
alone you go with the parents
>> right and the asked me do you learn
every day?
So, I looked for the closest hole to
jump in.
14-year-old little I wasn't a big
learner and I I had to be honest.
So, the Reb said
already 14 should be learning every day.
>> No.
>> Like, did I carry it out 100%? But I
know my older brother Yitzk told me when
he heard that it gave him a big push and
he was extra careful.
>> It's interesting you know that I don't
know about what's going on today but
when I was 14 I think most people at
least in my circle did learn Yeah. But
you have to remember that we're coming
on many years of of
the I'm saying you you were getting it
fresh. You know that that a 14-year-old
is expected.
Very interesting.
>> Okay. So you learned you're learning in
bed for until when?
>> Till.
Okay.
>> The talent was my last year. Rab was
and then
moved to Flatbush.
>> Okay.
>> But I I already went off to Binois.
>> Didn't you go to Montreal?
>> I went for a try out. I didn't like it
and
I was pushed to go and it came raash
and my mother says no you're staying you
have to stay the Allah doesn't give the
to come in you have to stay I'm not
going to miss
the no way
so I I didn't obey I took my things I
borrowed money and got onto a bus and
came to Crown Heights
>> for
>> for Yeah. And that was just when there
were the I remember there was was some
construction going on in 770
and we had because of that you were able
to have a perfect spot right near the
Kaidesh and the everything was so much
closer because we didn't have the whole
shatak the whole area we just had the
small so
I had to break the news to my mother
that I'm here but right how do you do
My brother Yitzka came up with an idea.
He brought me to a place called H
Bakery. Only the old-timers know what it
is.
>> That's Albin Bakery.
>> The Albany Bakery was across the street
where now is Apple Bank,
>> right?
>> Used to be a bakery. And it was two
partners, Fuks and Hawk.
>> I'm not so old. I remember that bakery.
>> You remember it?
>> Nice to go by Shambas.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. I have a story with Kalis too from
from Okay, so we'll get to that in a
second.
>> And he says, "Let's buy something from
mommy."
And we got these little honey nuts that
they make for Sha put it into a box and
like with with an apology or something
and it said, "You're here. You're here.
She's not going to throw me out." That
was the appeasement. Yeah. H we used to
call Albany Bakery. Okay. Hux Bakery.
>> Yeah. Um,
so that's so you you didn't go back you
didn't go back to Montreal after that?
>> I did. I think after afterwards I went
back after state I went back
>> but I came back to Crown Heights. I I
just didn't like it there.
>> Yeah. Okay. What was the story with the
Kalis?
I will put in one more thing before
that.
There was a time maybe I was 14 then
I was turning 15 whatever I was I was
very upset what's going on if I'm in
this is yeshiva that yeshiva
and I knew what do you do when you have
a problem you write to the reb
went into the office of Rabbi Klein
Rabbi Grooner I said can you give me a
paper pencil or whatever
and I sat down by the wooden steps in
the Reba's waiting room, the Ganak
and I wrote to the what's on my heart
and I don't want to go back to that
school what to to Montreal
and I gave it in.
A short time later calls me over into
his room. He says, "Tell me what's going
on."
It seems like the Reb says, you know,
"Take care of him. find out what's the
problem.
>> We had a discussion and that was it.
>> So you didn't get an answer from the but
>> that was probably the answer.
>> Wow.
>> Otherwise, how did he know that I had
issues?
>> Right. Right. So was like the
>> Yeah. Messenger.
>> The messenger. Yeah. Interesting.
>> Okay.
>> So
>> So I was once standing Friday afternoon
>> like when you were a kid.
>> No, when I was a bach.
>> Okay.
Friday, Friday afternoon, I'm standing
in front of 770.
It was 3:00. I remember what time it
was.
I was already 770 Ber
and a van pulls up in front of 770. It
was H bakery with two big bags of kala.
Can you please bring it upstairs to uh
for garari?
I said, sure. I took the two bags, come
upstairs, I knock on the door and
kana, that means Mrs. Gari answered the
door.
I said, "This is from the bakery. They
asked me to deliver it." She looks at
the bag and she says, "Yeah, this one,
but this one is
so goes to my sister on President
Street."
I took a deep breath. who's gonna go to
the to the king's palace?
And she saw I was hesitating. She says,
"What's the problem? When I was your
age, I would do favors."
She didn't realize what why I'm taking a
deep breath.
She says, "You know what?" I said, "Like
I'm a little uncomfortable."
So, she says, "You know what? Just put
it in the back porch
and I'll tell my sister to find it
there."
I take the bag down with me. says, "I
can't go to the back porch." It's it's
what what you know I think now what was
so scary about it but
>> but
>> so I saw
>> explain
>> it it's it's not something you can
explain it's just an awe like taking you
into
who wants to step in there I was
thinking many times if one day the
Liberian bar 11 says Ley, I'm giving you
a treat today. I'm bringing you into the
insides of the library. You can see DB's
books and where his handwritings are. I
probably would would refuse.
99% sure I would refuse. Would I regret
it later? Probably too. It's It's like a
certain awe.
Anyhow, I'm standing in front of with
this bag. I know I have errand to do.
And I see a friend of mine
Barlabkovski. He's now a Russian.
So I said, "Do you mind coming with me?
I need some support."
And we walked over and we put it down in
the back and we ran like from fire.
Uhhuh.
Okay.
So
you you said that you said you ended up
going to BWA. So how did how did that
happen?
How did that happen? I wasn't that
interested in learning at that point. I
was seven, just turned 17
and my parents wanted me to find a more
decent place and my mother said a friend
of hers has a kid in Binois and it's so
nice over there.
>> That was a common thing that the
American
>> very not common very uncommon but there
were a few individuals that sent the
kids out.
How about going to France?
Okay. I wasn't forced into it.
I accepted it. Okay, we'll go. Made a
passport and came to Binois. I was there
for 4 years.
>> Yeah.
under Ahmed Rabnissenf
Goldberg
Abser
and all the other guys in the Kovski. I
had the whole real crew. The real I came
there. It was like all the things I ever
pictured is the city of Labavich
and the way they dive in and the way no
Yiddish was only Yiddish there. There's
no not French, not English. Later the
English boys came and French boys and
other languages. So I spent four years
there
and um
Rebniss made a big change in me. Did a
very big favor. He saw I was not
learning well. I wasn't
uh utilizing the opportunity
and I wonder where he got the idea from
whether it's his own idea or he
consulted with the I don't know but one
day he comes to me and he says you're
going to teach a younger group of kids.
Who was it? Shalom Bumgarten,
the one from JCM.
Arina Vogel, the one who works for 770.
Yu Rascin from England.
And Mendelan, I think he lives on Carol
Street, Crown Street somewhere. Shh.
You're going to teach them what? Kamar.
Unfortunately, I I I I wasn't yet
capable of even myself understanding um
even I was 17. As a matter of fact, when
I came into the base of madrish the
first time, I see the commiss brothers,
the twins who later became my
brothers-in-law.
I see them sitting with a katas, already
learning katas, and they were just about
13, 14 years old.
I'm barely breaking my teeth on on the
Mishna and the
anyhow sur gave me a job to do
and I love teaching that's something as
a kid I loved sharing teaching telling
stories was part part of me
but how I'm going to do it I broke my
head and I worked and I worked and I was
able to give over the Mishna then I gave
over the gar and I took with Mafar
Harshim explained and for quite a while
I was teaching them. I think I got paid.
I think so. I don't remember for sure.
Probably I did
and it was a big big game changer for
me.
>> It's amazing story.
>> Yeah.
>> Meaning you're not supposed to be
teaching kids
>> right
>> that they saw you having a listen or we
don't know where he got the idea from.
>> Right.
make you give you responsibility
and that's what and also using out your
talents.
>> Yeah,
>> I guess it was recognized they have that
talent. Use out that talent in order to
get you motivated to be
>> right.
>> Very very
nice.
>> Okay. So um
so that's what you did. You're in Mwah.
So what what was the four years in Mora?
What what was the
the relationship uh to New York and with
I'm saying why?
>> I sent mid every month a$144.
Why? Because every week 36 cents.
>> Okay. And I would get letters back from
the Reba
receipts like like saying the scabel the
this I received a letter with the I
don't remember exact
not too many times but I got a few
times.
So that's something that you wouldn't
get if you're in New York.
>> No.
Yeah. She there for four four years and
you ended up coming back to 770 to
learn.
>> I came when I came back I went to we
learned first.
>> Mhm.
>> Kovski was there
was there and we got Rabbi Mandler Rabbi
whoever Picarski.
When it comes to be connected and to be
to theb there are various ways we do
this learning the
fulfilling's
instructions and much more. There's one
aspect is which is sometimes overlooked
which is called mid.
Throughout the last few months, we've
been highlighting various kones, various
funds that the Reb established that it
is a good idea to participate in them
and the Reb encouraged the participation
of every one of us on special occasions
and in certain times of the years. But
there are two elements and two ways of
giving money to the Reb that's supposed
to be done on a regular basis. One is
demean the money that is given to the
Reb when a pan is written and the other
one is mid. There's an ancient tradition
dating back to the times of the alterba
where would give routine
money to the rebba sometimes once a week
sometimes every month different
schedules and the idea of the mid is is
that it is money to be used at the
rebba's discretion
for what the rebba sees fit
and it is explained by various
most predominantly by the
also by theb as well that the idea of
the mid is something that we give in
order to be part of the work because all
of the reba's work is something that
every single
should be doing but if we are not we can
participate in the expense of those
things
there's a lot more to discuss regarding
the importance of mid and how much of a
central role it plays is inabis.
Um this is something that the
specifically stipulated very
interestingly that after gimlamos
mid should continue. Before the reb
would take the money for the and give it
to the central mist
and the rabbi said that the same should
be done after giml. This is something
that every single can participate in.
The amount is not so important or not as
important. It is the effect of routinely
giving mid which can be done at
magbis.org m agbbitis.org
through clicking the tab for mid. This
is an important an integral part of our
escashas and is something that if one
has not been doing so till now can start
now or if they have done so in the past
and have neglected it something they
could routinely do and through this can
remain and strengthen the connection of
every to theb. So you mentioned before
the miv shabas.
So
is this when you started doing shabas
>> in the in the early
>> when you were
>> when I was a tell me about the what's
the what's going on with
>> my brother used to run at my older
brother. This is something going on from
the fikas times mashab or like
>> I don't know but I know my my older
brother used to make mash shabas
and I think it was tough bay he went to
England
and he said ley take over
>> and I said what am I supposed to do he
says you just print papers put it up
like shabas this time there and whenever
there was no fbrangan Then we had a
receiver Shabas
and I said, "What do I do for Nash?"
Says, "Go to Rabbi Klein." Binyama Klein
and he'll sponsor it.
>> So this is like a this is like a Arab
Indian Rab Klein's paying for paying for
it.
>> He would take out of his pocket $6 and
that was today it's barely for one bag
of potato chips,
>> right?
>> But then we're able to buy a nice amount
of Nash.
And where did we have the Msiba Shabas
on 7-Eleven Eastern Parkway? That's
right near Brooklyn Avenue. Cross the
street across Eastern Parkway. That's
the kind that was the K.
>> That used to be it's a second house from
the corner. You it was called Kul
and Mikvah and that was the mikvah that
everyone went to. And I heard the Reb
went to that mikvah. I don't know how
much how many times but he went
and
the bonus was
that would go home around 2:30 from 770
and we were smack in the middle of our
shabas party our miba shabas
so we got the idea I don't know maybe it
was my brother's idea whatever as soon
as we see the reba coming from the
distance
we opened up the window and the window
was not a small window. It was a very
large window
and everyone can be standing by the
window and we would sing on the top of
our voices. The kids would scream
whatever is
whatever the capital of that year. I
think that's what we sing. And the Reb
would look
>> from across the street.
>> From across the street,
>> right? And smile to us, make with his
hands, encourage the singing.
How do we know the Reb is coming? We
appointed a watchman, a kid, right?
>> He would he would stay there and watch.
And u one time he missed. He didn't the
reb went and later murder came to me
says
the rebba kept on looking and the kept
on
>> naggle he was walking
>> naggle would accompany the rebba
>> okay
>> he said the rebba was looking and
looking waiting for it what happened
>> missed it
so that was exclusive for us we had the
rabbi no one in the world had a little
group of kids with the bak
We had the
didn't you um didn't you do like later
all the years
later?
>> When you were later when um in the mems
cat rabbi katson got involved and he
started to make it more often even by
fangans he would take them upstairs in
the zal and make sashabast
but you also did it. No, I
he I gave it over to him. Whatever.
>> Okay.
>> It wasn't anymore the way it was. Maybe
it was after
that it wouldn't go anymore. I don't
remember, but somewhere around there.
I do remember
that I wanted very much to bring the MBA
shabas from that shaw to 770. Let's do
in the in the small z the why can't we
do it in the small z the bak are not
learning then shabas afternoon
but I knew we need to get permission
you have to speak
by I'm going to speak to
who am I so I went to
I said
I want to make the mibash shabas here in
in the small z
can you please speak on my behalf
to uh to get it to get it here
says to me why don't you speak says I'm
just a
he says you're not the one speaking
shabas is speaking
>> it's a good it's a good uh life lesson
>> yeah the mab
such a smart idea.
Oh,
so I'm assuming I because I saw later
when we went over I don't remember was
right away
>> you did.
Um was there any um
from the rabbis?
Yeah, once in I don't remember which one
the was giving me
and he says and for the shabas
and I don't think I wrote anything to
>> you never wrote to the about it. I
didn't maybe I wrote
something in the past but
yeah
>> amazing.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So this is uh when did you get
married?
>> So your wife is from is back from
Benois.
>> My wife is from Bwa. Yeah.
So you got married there.
>> No, I got married here.
>> Okay.
Um, so maybe talk to me a little bit
about the
>> Yes. So after I got smika
was gimlish I think I got smika I had to
go up to the toag to raigari
and get a paper
and
someone had to fill in the cyher had to
fill in the name and then you bring it
and get a signature from every picarski
and ment can't remember who else I think
two signatures.
Used to be three. I don't remember who's
the third one. Anyhow,
and
I was I turn I just turned 24.
My parents asked me if I'm interested to
go to France to meet someone.
So I asked the Reba
and I said wrote
my parents wrote answered
So I went to Abdrasin and he said you
should see to accomplish there also like
do do things
when I came there to meet
Knessan this girl it's very interesting
Nissen I came there I was there for a
few days comes over to me he says I want
to talk to you privately
says I have an idea for
you know, Rabbi Klesson has a daughter.
>> So I I I I let him in the secret.
>> He took a
>> I said that's where I came from.
>> Also, Mrs. Lovski,
that's iss
I I may believe I don't know anything.
lady, she comes. That's the one I was.
Okay. So, a lot of people apparently was
a good in
>> But you but you ended up coming back to
New York. I'm saying you got to you got
engaged over there.
>> Yeah. Made there
for
I have a recording of the whole
and we even have a video. How could a
gold scene have without a video
of the
>> Yeah, see all the the
put this video out. It's probably
interesting.
>> Now it's on my Google Drive.
>> You have to release it.
>> By the way, if you go to time.com
>> Mhm.
>> you'll see one folder is called
Ribnissen.
And over there you have you have his
Fbrangans.
>> That's your website.
>> Yeah. You have over there
uh from
that heist
forens
a lot of stuff from
recorded.
>> Yeah. So tell me about uh but so you got
you got married in New York. The house
is in New York.
>> Yeah. And we got married Zion Tamuz.
And that was not an official date for
the that the Reb would go to the ayam,
right? And I was supposed to come at a
certain time to pick up the sitter from
the Reb to get from the Reb, the sitter.
And the Reb would say
and you know, you should
give a
>> givea whatever.
Suddenly I I find out that the is going
to the
we came to 770. Rabbi Groner says here's
the sitter. Theba asked me to give it to
you as a
and uh so I used the sitter for
dabining.
I I was disappointed that I missed out
but whatever the Reb does is always for
your benefit.
>> Okay. Later
when after I got ready for the kupa
in the back room
in 770 by it's called the yeud room and
we open the door
my father and my are holding the candles
as we're coming out the reb is coming
mish towards us because the little sink
over there after the reb would always
wash his hands over there and the Reba
sees us. I don't think he said maza. I
don't think he said anything. Probably
before he washed his hands, whatever.
So I felt I got the personally face to
face
>> on the way to the
>> Yeah. What could be better?
>> Crazy.
>> And the Reb is by everyone's I heard
from Shalom Sperlin. So Zangazant
man
he forgot where he lives.
He to I think upstate
he told me that his parents got married
in Williamsburg in the 50s
and by then the rebu would not travel
out of Kron Heights to be Messian
but you would just be media the rebu
when is your
that night of the said to Raboner
let's see it was 7:00 7:00 to 8:00
No one should disturb me. I'm at the
>> It's powerful.
>> Yeah.
>> So you ended up settling in Crown
Heights. You were a teacher right away
like what?
>> I I went one year to
>> L. So you were there.
It started lame.
What?
>> Because I got married Tamuz.
>> I thought you got married in Lamian.
>> Lammed Zion.
>> Okay.
>> And towards the end of the year was
already summer time. There was no ish
yeshiva.
>> And kyo I started maybe right after the
summer or or
>> yeah or maybe beginning of lit. I don't
remember.
>> You got married in town.
>> Oh, I meant to say,
>> right? Yeah. Yeah.
>> You can.
>> So you So you were there. You were there
in
>> Yeah.
>> But you never missed any.
>> So what? What happened? Uh
>> when had the heart attack
>> the what?
>> That was a year later. No,
>> that was that year.
>> That was that year. Yeah, I remember it.
Yeah.
>> So everyone has their angle. What?
>> We were a fresh couple.
>> Everyone that I speak to has their their
angle. So you know what do you uh what
do you have to share from there? I guess
I was just in too much shock to to to
process what's happening.
They just said everyone leave the show.
So we left.
>> Didn't you see something before
>> we were surprised that asked for his
chair
>> now? Before before
there's something that I saw.
I don't know if anyone anyone noticed
it. the Reb Min
in the small z
and during min I saw the Reba taking his
holy hand and wiping over his whole face
and I was scared. I saw Rabiel Khan
standing next to me. I was going to say
something but he never doesn't do things
like that.
>> No, totally not him.
And I thought if I'm going to say
something, he'll laugh at me or he'll
afraid to speak up.
>> But you noticed that.
>> Yeah.
>> And then when the Reb had the heart
attack that night, it was
>> then we saw the Reb leaning on the
then asking for the chair
and there we all ran out of sh.
>> Yeah.
>> And then there was dancing going
outside.
>> Still dancing, you know.
So
you ended up being a ka for a year and
then you ended up teaching. You asked
the about teaching.
>> At the end of the year Rabbi Bamilski
came to me
asked me if I'm looking for a job or I'm
interested in teaching in ocean parkway
ka alf.
There was Rabbi Reichis Benian Reitis
was teaching and he needed a second
first grade cuz it was like a lot of
kids.
So I had 12 kids the first year
and then uh
then year after year I was teaching
until
I went on for a year. What do you mean?
So you
>> I wanted to go on
>> before before you were a teacher. You
wanted to go on? No.
>> No. You started teach
when the sent
>> there was uh there was there was three
years. One of them was but
>> I wrote to the me and my wife are ready
to say
>> you're already you're already teaching.
You're in
>> Yeah. Submit your names.
>> Okay.
>> Sorry. Me and my wife decided we want to
go on the Reb wants very much
could be I was teaching already could be
and the Reb writes
because you're already teaching yeah
continue what you're doing here in the
show but but I had this desire to go on
I had an offer to go to Ann Arbor
Michigan to work with my brother Arlo
who's still there on
and
I what the plan was the first year I'm
going to be supported by
Rabbi Sham completely is going to but
the following year I'm going to have to
do fundraising and and
so I wrote it all to the
and the wrote
If I think that I'm cut out for it
and I guess my desire to very much Yeah.
Yeah. I I'll do it. I'll do it.
And after the year is coming to a close
and we had a a million of bala that year
>> mama a minion
as it was coming to an end. I have to
start
testing the waters.
So I was given some names of rich
people,
go visit them
and try to get some money. You're going
to do fundraising. So I take I drive to
this ge come to the house speak with him
now and came back without a penny.
>> Okay.
And I try to think a second, third time.
It's not it's not working out.
I wrote to the Reb,
"What should I do?" Reb writes back,
"Didn't I tell you that only if you
assume that you're cut out for it?" What
was the answer
from a year ago?
>> They already told you. Uh I said I told
you.
So I got a job
back my Rabbi Bamsilski took me back
and I taught there for a few years till
me giml meal around
>> and he moved
>> and then I went moved over to Alra
and uh
I taught there for 30 years
and then I went
to have a taste in another yeshivas and
by Rabbi Simpson for two years
I tried.
So I want to get back to
I guess I I guess now that you mentioned
you're a teacher,
>> we'll get back to the of the in a
minute,
>> but I want to discuss some of the things
besides being a teacher in a classroom.
You also have done things for that are
beyond
um your own classroom. Well, we'll start
with
which is the book that everybody knows
about. So what was that? Uh what was
that project? Do you have any and I
wonder do you have any from the reba on
on those projects?
>> No, I got a bra when I gave the a one of
the additions.
>> Mhm.
>> And
like thanked me for it and gave a bra.
The the thing is that we used to use
what was called stencils
and used to run it off in the yeshiva
like on a a machine like almost like a
mimigraph machine if you know what that
is
and and I made it for my class for every
kid had their own booklet vious and bar
with the titan the whole thing
and I thought to myself
used to go to a printer there somewhere
flat bushes somewhere.
So I got idea maybe I should print it
like officially print.
And from this planting a seed in my mind
I ended up making
and the first book
was not with a typewriter,
not with the computer,
>> handwriting.
>> Handwriting.
>> The first few
>> the first book only the first one
>> Yeah. Nayak was already
>> so I just saw I just was looking at them
and I thought there was more than that.
Okay.
>> Only the first braces and when I showed
it to Rabiov he says huh why
handwriting.
Yeah. So as a smart alec I said you know
I want to kill two birds with one stone
like this a practices their ability to
read script
says uh-uh
you don't try to do two things at the
same time
each thing take care by itself so what
did I do the next publication
I made photo copies
of par I cut out p piece by line by line
made because yeah because it's linear
because the
kaim broner is in the dentist he said
why don't you put English on the side
for for the parents who need it I
decided I'll put in English it's a good
idea so that's what I did I made
the text of the kish
and English that was from the very
beginning.
>> You forgot to mention the kid in the
front cover.
>> Oh, yes. So, I have I want to make it
look alive and kids should like it. So,
I took uh many pictures of my class of
all the kids. I put them on a hashem
t-shirt
>> and yamaka
>> and especially yamaka
and I thought now which one they're all
look so cute and so gushmak. So I went
to ML Machnik.
I said, "You're an artist.
Choose the nicest, cutest, sweetest
picture." He said, "This one Yeti
Cayman."
So he ended up being
>> it's my oldest brother is the on the
cover
>> thousands and thousands of books.
It was a very big thing.
>> We all we all used it. And now now that
there's computers, everyone does their
own stuff,
>> right? But everyone used the
>> stopped printing him.
>> Amazing. Okay. Yeah, that's uh that was
his claim to fame always. He's on the
front cover. I actually remember when I
was in your class,
one of the kids in the class brought you
said you did auditions, right?
>> So I think you gave out the the the
pictures to all the kids. So one of my
friends brought his older brother's uh
>> Oh, yeah. audition, you know, his his
picture as well.
So, okay. So, that's Mikra. And then
also you did all these other projects,
the the living sedra and yeah, I would
what I would do I would tell
tell the kids the par of the week
and Rabbish Schwarz
somehow I found out that he uses a book
called the med says I got a hold of it
and I loved it.
It's so smooth going and everything. So
I would read it. But I thought it's such
a pity. Read it once, record it.
So as I tell the story, I turn on my
recorder and then later I can play it
over. They can hear it again.
And because the a gave me a special uh
flavor how to tell stories, people liked
it. So I thought, you know, I'm going to
going to sell it, not because I I think
about the money so much, but just to
make it public. So I used to go to T
Hashem's store when it was on Kingston
Avenue
between President and Carol
and used to put the tapes there and uh
would go
a certain point
at a certain point I was putting out in
the stores. I came to
Iller's I put it out then I came to a
store on Coney Island.
The guy said,
"There's a guy, Rabbi Weissman,
it's his publication.
Do you have permission from him to do
it?" I said, "What makes you say so?" He
says, "Because he came into the store
and he mentioned that
these recordings are from my book."
So I right away I thought, "Yeah, he's
right." So first thing I asked the RV
that this guy is presenting the medra so
beautifully and I'm saying I'm not using
>> you're reading verbatim though
>> no I use my own words I put in more
stuff
>> so the rub says there's no copyright on
the madish
>> don't worry about it but still
I I wrote out a check I think $1,800
>> a lot of money
>> and I sent it to him he sends it back.
Not necessary.
>> Mhm.
>> But I still did not feel good.
So one day I decided I'm going to speak
to him. I call him up and I recorded the
conversation
and I I said to him, Abra Weisman, you
know, I whether legally it's considered
copyright or not, but I'm I'm basing it
off your book. I use a lot of other
stuff too.
He says,
"Don't worry about it. It's all fine.
It's all good."
I tell him it goes to around the world
who have to do homeschooling
and he help he holds very much from the
>> um you you have but your father also
like this is you already have experience
with your father that is his song Hashem
is here is there
>> is from his first records
>> and it became famous through maybe
someone else
>> uncle
>> right he asked permission
>> oh he did ask permission
>> yeah for sure
I I heard a whole story. Maybe it's
above me that uh
that he was he was thinking of saying
something. He stole or someone told him
he stole my song. It's like it's okay.
Now more people know about it. So it's
great. You know,
>> I'll tell you maybe it's it's it's a
product of another story that I heard
from my father.
>> Yeah.
>> He was traveling I think in Michigan. He
came to a store
and the store is selling his tapes,
a different rapper, a different thing
and not from my father.
So I said to my father, "What did you
do?" He says, "I went and gave him
Yashikayak for reaching those places
that I don't reach." Right. Okay.
All right. That's good.
Um, is there anything It sounds like I'm
just stay on the track for a second. It
sounds like stories is a big method of
uh of of your of your teaching.
>> Yeah, I I wrote a whole article on it.
It's on my website. I brought together
from sus and places
what kind of stories to tell and why we
tell stories.
Stories is not just for entertainment.
Yeah, when you tell a story, you have to
do it in a way that entertains their
interested.
Stories are to teach lessons
and to show that people live that way.
The benefit of telling a story about
init
he got through it.
What happens to the boy in front of you?
The boy in front of you doesn't feel in
he's not talking about me. He's not
giving me mus. He's not criticizing me.
He's talking about someone else.
And I what I learned from my father if
you listen to his stories every few
lines he puts in another message
like you have commercials in the middle
of a program every and he watched
right
>> and he was careful to make the braha
that that's what's most important. So
storytelling is this is the same thing
storytelling is extremely powerful tool.
In fact, the Reb said it by by in
the said when a teacher comes into class
and starts a lesson, half of the kids
are turned on and half are scared. I'm
not going to get it. The said, "What if
you give your lesson in a story form?"
says the fear goes away and they can all
listen and they will want to hear more.
So do the stories have to be true?
That's a good question. I asked that
question to Rabbi Khadakov. Okay. And
later I found it in the
Rabbi Khadakov said to me
if the message you're giving is true
then it's okay. I said for example I see
kids fighting or kids stealing. Could I
make up a story of Yasi and Benny?
He says if the message is Amis, you
could tell it because a lot of stories
that that Kahas published. There's a
book called Unub.
>> Mhm.
>> Or Sophenu
from Kahas. They don't have it today
anymore.
And they have a lot of madeup stories
with good lessons.
And because they are good lessons
and I remember seeing in a I think it's
was a shabas for bringing the said this
is a the people take
because it's
that they can
never happen but if it's gonna
>> so it doesn't me making up stories about
>> I can't say the went somewhere here.
>> I can't use individual names,
>> right?
>> I could say Yasi and Benny,
>> right?
>> Or Mr. Burger, make up.
>> You brought you actually brought back a
flashback.
We had a birthday party and there was a
one of the items in the birthday bag was
you didn't like the ha.
And I remember you said a whole story
that two kids
saw certain potato chips that had was
the wrong ha and they were saying,
"Should we eat it?" But I'm not allowed
to eat it and we don't eat it in my
house. And this and he didn't eat the h
the whole time he said the ha the name
of the ha. That was the whole part of
the story. And now we'll have the
birthday party. Okay, let's see what's
in the bag. And oh, this is the So I
remember the birthday the birthday boy
was like it's the wrong we're not going
to eat it. I guess I guess you inspected
the bag before. Exactly. And you didn't
want to serve it but you didn't want to
make I think you made the kid feel like
like Yeah.
Tell a story and then he
>> but I was smart enough to realize what
you were doing. I don't know if everyone
else did.
>> I once
was speaking about uh
oh it was a kid in the class someone
told me that going ice skating in a
Goisha place. Ice skating.
You want to go ice skating is one thing
when the goisha place.
So I told the story about a kid in
Russia and he had a chance to go icek in
gisha place and he didn't want and he
turned out to be a a hero because he
controlled himself.
Few days later I got regards like the
parents weren't like very excited even
though it was laba parents they weren't
happy with you. They were unhappy.
>> Okay. So doesn't always work. Once I had
a complaint
family went out for a weekend
and came back and said
we were in a hotel and the TV was on and
we were watching
and then our son, the one in your class
saw for a few seconds and he started to
cry hysterically. I just did a terrible
thing.
Nohuh.
You're saying
>> is it a benefit? Is it
>> I think that's
>> maybe I shouldn't teach these things.
>> Maybe the teachers.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Very good. So, um I just want to
mention one thing that was very good
that you did in your class that there's
the supposed to say of your name and the
Reb's name. I remember you laminated it
and printed everyone's name individually
and taped it to their desk until they
knew it by heart. Once they knew it by
heart, then he took it off the desk. And
it's thanks to you that I then I learned
to say
um so let's move a little bit back.
We we'll continue. Um
you had a few first of all like you were
bringing your kids to the rabbit at the
770 like uh maybe tell me a little bit
about that. I used to when I came back
from yeshiva
the first year I taught maybe no second
year
I used to take my my kid with me my zu
my
>> he's your oldest
>> yeah I would take him to min
and sometimes he would stand so close to
the reb's table upstairs
the rebu would look at him and by amen
the reb would shake his head like amen
pain
to him to encourage him. Yeah.
>> I took my kids all the time to the all
the time. They're so thankful today.
They have loads and loads of dollars.
>> Right. And everything.
>> Yeah. Something with a pushka with Z.
No.
>> With what?
>> With a pushka. With the gate stuck to Z
>> when he was a baby. Mameish.
>> So what was that? like maybe he was six
months old. I remember we used to stand
by where the is going to go into the sh
upstairs for Mina. There's a big box. So
I was standing there with him and the
gave him a coin and I made him put into
the pushka. He started to scream
>> when he was 6 months. He must have been
older.
>> Maybe maybe a year.
>> Okay. He started this
such a loud screech that got another
coin and gave it to him to climb down.
>> So there's a few things with Z also.
>> Yeah.
>> What was that?
>> Zman took one of these papers was much
smaller than what we have today and he
folded it up and he held it. When the
Reb went, he was standing by the you
know in the circle
>> where the Reb did
and he stuck it out but he couldn't
reach the safe.
>> He stuck it out. He wanted to
>> touch it. Yeah.
>> The Reb took it touched the T and give
it back to
>> Did he keep it?
>> He has it. Sure.
>> Okay. Good.
Um, you also had your own little
with the different shamas type of things
that you did. No.
>> Yeah. I once saw that the Reb
is speaking for a long time and the Reb
they need a uh after between the Reb
gives a after the Reb wants to wash for
Maid wash his hands.
So, two times I was able to bring
water for the rabbi. The first time I
sent you a picture of it
and I only prepared
didn't do this was there before they
figured out how to do this. Okay.
>> Okay.
>> I brought the curt
the looks where am I going to pour it?
He didn't say it, but he look
right away. We found up a cardboard box
on the side. We br put it there. Gave me
a big smile. So washed into the carboard
box.
>> Yeah. Into the carboard box.
>> That's the thing.
>> And the bakim didn't run to lick up the
water.
>> There's a story with that.
Then there's a whole
they brought then already musket knew
how to do it. You know they had a s I
know silver
>> and the washing tis
>> right
>> so so you could see in the video that um
Sperland is pouring you can't see it in
the video but you see the is sitting and
smiling that as was wiping his hands in
the towel there was smiling so I asked I
think his son what happened he says that
um
was pouring the the water from the he
poured it into a bottle
You mean from the shis?
>> From the shisel. Yeah. Into a bottle.
And the seeing this is smiling like
you're saving my water. And then the
said
make sure no one uses it. No, they can't
use this water. Yeah. So that's that's
the whole thing in the smile. Yeah.
Um also once a
byan
one time they didn't have the tablecloth
for the reba
so they used
>> the yum or something.
>> No maybe a shabas or something
>> whatever the book didn't have a
tablecloth.
>> They didn't have a tablecloth. So they
used a disposable
>> like a plastic.
>> The plastic.
>> Mhm.
>> After bringing they why are they going
to keep it? So I grabbed it. it. I took
it and I have it till today. But I
thought to myself, if it happens again,
I want to have a real tablecloth.
So I kept in my locker,
a beautiful, nice, big tablecloth.
And one shabus, they needed one and I
provided it.
And I have that tablecloth till today.
I gave it to a tailor,
made a kettle out of it for
where under the ka
and from the all the little pieces
I I made other stuff a yarmaka for a kid
by a bris or a veil for a kala. Then for
gulas some people for something I saw
letters from the rebba
the rebba sent a piece of the
handkerchief of the fleb
to the uncle kats in Chicago if you know
he was for his brother who needed a ra
was another person what what do you do
with it
he said put it near his pillow
>> he wasn't well neither of
And there was another one Rabbi Hak from
No Haven
had to go on a to Brazil.
The deb gave him a piece of cloth.
And you see in the letter the says now
that you finished the bring it back
please.
There there is a certain aim for they
have something forba.
Now I'm going to have a lot of phone
calls
>> to use it. Okay. I have to make a say
out of it. Um there was a few things you
had um a few stories with with and
yourself with
maybe you could share that
Rosenblot
>> which I saw that on the Mikra that I was
looking at today is a hakasha from
Rosenlot. Is that the same?
>> Yeah. He was the printer. Oh, okay.
>> His father
was the printer
all the years until the last printing.
I did it somewhere else. He wasn't very
happy, but
so he asked me a question
in class. Yeah, he asked in class, "What
do you mean
that'll hold you? You don't dip only
tonight? What's about rashana and and
the salt and the salt?
Thought that's a good question.
So I wrote it in his name in the
butan that ever answered. That's the
difference from that.
>> So you wrote you wrote the with the
kid's name and published it in the in
the kin.
>> Yeah. I didn't write it as I'm writing
it.
>> Mhm.
>> I said this is his Shila.
and answered it. But if I bring a
difference this is only a minute and
this is
you know means
so what was the what were other stories
with that you had the there was a time
the said
I'm going to ask a question and you try
to give the answer other times the says
you put in the questions
and I'll choose one of them to answer.
So I did from
I wrote in a question
about the war with the four kings and
the five kings.
I wrote a question and
says this is the question we're going to
deal with now and spoke about it.
If you're lucky, the Reb chose yours,
>> right?
There there's also um there's also a
story with a liqu
that you had something you had something
to do with a liqu that was made.
>> Oh,
yeah. This is a question that I had to
what's that story? We're learning from
Paris
that it says Nyak was 600 years old by
the Mel and after the m
and after the marble it says he lived
another 350 years
when he gives the total of his whole
lifetime it says he lived 850 years I
said one minute what's about the year of
the marble you're not counting it in.
So I wrote it into the Reba
and the Reba gave me an answer
that we're counting the beginning of the
year like so some kind of answer that we
can work it out but then the Reb wrote
look in this and this safer which should
be in the library and the gave a name
with a question mark. So I went to the
library and I showed it to be bar 11
that the Reb says look in the library
he says okay he'll he'll look into it
and this was s
a whole every once in a while I kept him
new barrel and waiting for an answer
says wait be patient
when it came pious the following
that supreme minutes later he says now
you get to your answer. I said what
happened.
He had a whole series of questions and
answers that he he was communicating
with the Reba
about this question. Rebu gave one
answer and he and he asked the question
on the answer and gave another answer.
It's all printed in his book called
you see the whole
the whole communication back and forth
and then it was printed
but look
it's a very unique it's not from right
says
or whatever that was so he must have
given it to the to those that were doing
the
>> yeah then they made a le out of Very
interesting.
>> Yeah.
>> Um
Okay. So this is uh
through being Muhammad and uh yeah you
had all these
interesting things. So is there any um
you're a veteran?
So I want to know if there's any either
you got from the from or something in
general that you think is important like
a message
for people today.
Well, in
the Reb says that we're living in a
generation where the children are ready
to want elus tells the story the Reb
turned four or five years old
and he's crying to Zah
Why can't I see Hashem like Hashem
appeared to Abraham?
And then they answer there's a lesson
you learned from it said why did
emphasize that it was only four or five
years old could have just told the story
without it to show you that even a child
at four or five years old can be
educated in our days
that what is his biggest desire? Elos
godliness
translating into practical
my
means to educate a kid not for prizes
not for toys not for trips
what for he wants a lus
and then a footnote
and and the says what's about the ram
the ram says clearly
is the way to get kids to learn is by
bribing him with with nuts, money,
shoes, whatever different things. The
says we find in
the concept of
nature has changed
now says the
opened up a new channel that we could be
the kids that way. And if you're stuck
and your kids are not doing it, it's
because you don't speak from the heart.
If you would speak
will surely reach them. They are caiming
for it. They're ready for it.
So what did I do?
Unfortunately, many years I did not
try out that sika to see if I can. I
went with tickets, prizes and this nash
but I was encouraged again and again
from other people other seminars that I
attended
insisted why don't we try the
so one year I decided from day one of
the school year I'm going to try it out
and I'm even going to keep a diary what
I'm doing so if it works I can follow it
for the next year
and it took only a few weeks I got all
the kids on board to the extent that if
after a session of learning I would give
them nash because I would give them
randomly not because you learned just
randomly give them treats the says why
do we throw candies from Malik to a kid
to give him to learn.
So it's not because he's learning just
to encourage. So I would give out. So
was one time after a session of I say
kids come to my desk. I have some say
you better not now. So why not? Cuz then
it will be considered like we learned
for the candies. We're learning for
Hashem.
>> The kids told you this.
>> Yeah.
>> And you never told them what you're
doing.
>> What do you mean? We after I
>> but you told the kids that that
>> we're not going to be giving out prizes
>> that already that I said it took a few
weeks and all the kids are on board
>> to learn for Hashem not for candies
>> and one time I after the session I gave
him candy said Rabbi maybe later so it's
not considered that we're doing it for
the candies
and it was so impressive I once called
Rebelistic the principal entered a class
and I said,
"Ask the kids to say some pukim
and then offer them a treat."
And they said the pukim so nicely.
And Rabistic says, "Okay, kids. Would
you like to have pizza?" "No, ice
cream." "No, but you learned so well.
What would you like to learn more?"
It's doable. It's not a play. It's not a
joke. And
At that age, six, seven year olds, you
could.
>> So I'm not a I'm not a teacher, but I
have children. So you're saying the same
is with discipline. I'm saying like,
yeah, it's not like do this, do this
good thing, and I'll give you a can to
give you a lollipop.
>> If you don't come to supper, you're
going you're going to this you listen to
tati because it's a mitzvah.
>> That works.
Okay. I have to make
>> So what did I do with my diary?
>> Yeah.
I I had a nice big fat diary
and I publicized it and I got regards
from Israel. Their teachers are using my
method. It's a step-by-step method how
to get there and it's on my website.com
a website revolutionary approach to from
theb and it works.
Now I'm I I did the whole thing over
again. I rewrote it. I gave it to a
professional editor
to do it in Hebrew and in English. And
it's middle of the making and will be
publicized. It's beautiful. That's
interesting. I I wasn't aware of the and
it's I always
I always think about what do you mean
this is what's what's a problem? And now
you're saying that uh
>> we have to look at the
>> you you touched upon which reminded me
of a different story. You just said,
>> "Yeah."
>> Didn't you ask the about the You had a
question. A question about it.
>> When my twins were turning three,
I wasn't sure.
I knew that their birthday is in the
middle of Pes. So we have to wait for
and the question was at turning three
should I
make also
and I saw in the
mention his idea of three years old but
when I asked
he said in Russia they did it at four or
five.
So I write all of this to the rabbi and
I said the fact that it says in the
something about three years old I said
maybe it's for only forb
and then I wrote a concluding line that
here here in I'm not telling you the
exact wording but here they bring the
kid at three to a kindergarten
but mainly to
That's when I read.
>> So you're saying maybe can't really
you're not going to
>> here they bring kids at three.
>> They're not going at three to
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> So the
first of all when I wrote kindergarten
he made an arrow and he writes
that is
when I wrote they go there mainly to
play. He crossed it out twice the word
to play. He wrote
They go there to make rais
then he underlined the whole line that
here at the age of three they're
bringing the card
and he made an arrow to that line that
at three they bring kids there and the
says now what's your question
so a few things in understanding number
one does that mean that the is saying
that it should be done at three in in in
kindergart this is and this is what
people are doing and he made an arrow so
>> so the reb saying it should be done at
three years old
>> that's it's obvious
>> it has to be done by the
>> I do it it doesn't have to be the same
day although I practical purposes I do
in the same day but could be
>> I told me that that
is to do it the day of the but by
whatever
was not on his birthday. He was born at
Shashana
and when did he after afteralia I think
it was or
>> she saying it should be around.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Thank you reminding me
in so I have to have to do it. Uh but
then I have another question. You don't
see anyone doing it in in in
kindergarten whatever in the in the Gan.
>> They do. The Babachi Shiva
has it all the time. But I thought it's
always done by by rabbies in first
grade.
>> They don't do it in the kindergarten.
>> You do it at that age, but you don't do
it in the kindergarten like the saying.
>> What the is going to do it?
>> Yeah. The said it's a it's a
>> right. So you don't you ask the baby to
come.
>> But according to what the is saying it
should be done in in the in the group
which geographically which room?
>> No, but the way it's done is that the
kid is brought to an older class which
he's not in. He's brought pre1a
whatever or or first grade
>> it should be done based on what the is
saying in the class that he's learning
in the in the in the whatever the
kindergarten whatever it's called
>> possibly that
>> okay so maybe she should make a new uh
>> possibly
>> why the mora could do it why not if she
could teach she could she could do it
too
>> I don't know what they do with her rebi
>> okay we'll have to figure this out okay
so we started off this conversation
um with your when you got a name a new
name so maybe that's ended off as well
with that
um I mean you you you basically got a
new lease on life so maybe you could
tell me about it a little bit
>> when when I woke up from the month-long
coma Barashem
I woke up with a start with a sim in
myself.
I even heard overheard nurses in my room
saying, "This guy is smiling all the
time. They're not used to it."
And I had reason not to smile. I was
there when I after a month of not
eating.
I was laying in bed like a log.
I was emanciated. I was thin. I looked
at my foot. It reminded me pictures of
the Holocaust. I lost like 30 35 pounds
or so. Don't worry, I took revenge.
And the
I couldn't move. I couldn't move my
fingers, my hand. I was mish
zero strength.
And slowly I was getting back to myself
and um
but I was ever the whole time with a
positive approach. I'm going to make it.
I'm going to make it. It's going to be
good. I'm going to be running around the
streets
a year before co
someone I was speaking to someone a big
professional
and advised me learn.
So I said uh okay. And I started to
learn.
I started to listen on the phone. under
a hotline.
>> You never told many people to to learn.
Yeah.
>> And that's when I heard the niggan from
every waxman. I believe in Hashem. I
trust in Hashem. I loved the niggan so
much. I taught it to my class. I taught
it to kids. I taught it to my family.
Wherever I went, I was teaching it. And
I was asked to come for bringing once of
before co
to fain in a in a
over there was Wilhelm
and he asked me sing your bet song and
he took a video. The next morning my
son-in-law tells me he got from Israel
the video. I mean went all over
later when I woke up from the coma
and I sang it from my hospital bed with
my strings attached and all the pipes
went viral like so I believe strongly
that you learn
it works even on your subconscious cuz I
wasn't even conscious when I was when
when I was in a coma
I wasn't thinking
I guess subconscious got got convinced
it's so important
you know recently a big big a great
passed away
he told what I'm going to tell you now
he told this to Kalman vinefeld
>> Mhm. who shared it with me
says Binyama Klene the Reb's secretary
Rabbi Binyama Klene told Tovia
BL as follows
Rabbi Klene brought into the Reb's room
a pack of letters envelopes that came
mail puts it down on the Reb's desk
right near another pile that was waiting
for the Rebas to answer
and the Reb takes his holy hands
and shows the distance of the size of
the the whole pile. Right now it's
double the size. And the Reb says if
people would only learn
then the size of this pile of letters
would be less than half.
Why? Because by learning itself the
problems get resolved.
said I heard about it and I told and he
said calmer find out the source and and
that's that's what he told me.
>> So the source is in TV heard it from
Rabbi Klein the Reb said it to Rabbi
Klein.
>> Thank you because I I mentioned the
story in one of the other podcasts and I
tried to find out from someone in the
family if they ever heard it from from
Klein. Now we have the source. So what's
the chhat is not only that first of all
you have you're not always sitting and
complaining that's number one because
have you believe you have so you're not
you you don't always have to write
>> learning it itself resolves
right type of thing exactly beautiful
okay the
very first
is a mini shabak
It isb
and explains what's
people are afraid. How can Ruain expect
Hashem to do a miracle for him? Ruven
knows he did a sin yesterday or a year
ago. Maybe he's on the blacklist. Maybe
Hashem is trying to get even with him
now. Maybe this is his punishment. There
is such thing as a reward and
punishment,
>> right?
And the brings who says if you have
helps
whether you are deserving or not just
because you're having
means absolute
trust in Hashem that it's going to be
good.
Even if all odds are against it
that's okay. It's a good note to end.
>> Yes.
And uh you should continue for many many
years.
>> Amen. Thank you very much for inviting
me and gave me opportunity to reminisce
and remember myself.
>> Okay. And hopefully we all others