Ep. 60: How American Chassidim Were Made with Rabbi Leibel Altein

Can you describe to me like what what the process is of uh of this of the system? >> I can't describe it. No. >> I don't know how to describe it. >> Okay. If you can't, you can't. >> I'll just give you one small word, a simple observations of this Abdul. I'm saying let's imagine Albert Einstein came into a classroom of of teenagers and he he threw a sentence and that sentence is in physics or whatever it was. I'm Yasi Cayman. Welcome to among an ongoing fabin about life as a vibrant connection with theb and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day Aline how are you >> not a rabbi >> Mr. whole time. >> No smika. >> No. >> Okay. I I I without the certificate seems to be a a lot worth a lot more, I guess. >> What? >> The smika without the certificate seems to be a lot more. >> I dropped out a yeshiva. I'm a dropout. Yeshiva dropout. >> Okay. I I would love to hear that about that. But let's start a little bit earlier. Now before we get to you, I want to hear a little bit about your parents and also your Za Rabis Jacobson. Um maybe you could tell us a little bit of of Jacobson and uh I mean I know we can talk for hours just about him. So maybe you want to start with my parents. I'll start with my parents. Okay. My father was born in America to shantes. His parents came from Galitzia. Both his mother and his father. He was born on the low east side. Then they his parents moved to Brownsville. Stam interesting. He once told us that when he was a mamikind, his father sent him to yeshiva. He went to elementary school to Berlin which was in Brownsley New York. But he once told us that when his mom the first time he went to yeshiva to get to yeshiva they had to take two buses and cross you know a busy street that know was eastern park. So the first time he had to go his father took him he showed him which buses you have to take which street you have to cross. The next day in the morning he took him to the door on his own. >> Okay different world today. Today they were arrested channel the parents for child abuse right upon him. So he went for elementary he was in Kim Berlin and then later from he went to tadas. This is already the sadics and the sadics my schol. So my father joined this group. >> So was from he learned in >> Okay. So you want to hear about my was born in the middle of the when he was 11 years old. So his the intel he was already too advanced. He had to go to yeshiva. Besides in Adam Mhammed, there was also someone who taught him and his sister limud languages. They taught him a vit whatever. And my said he excelled in it. So when he had to go to yeshiva, there was a yeshiva in Russia, forgot what name was lead or something. It was a modern yeshiva that had so this teacher wanted my to go to that yeshiva and he wrote him um lot they should accept him so so my zed's father he came from kabat families but he himself wasn't aesa but he he was my but not he wasn't good. There was no active lobaviches in his he said maybe there's one or two but he had no shakavage whatsoever >> in the >> in the so he was on the train station they're waiting for the train to go to the yeshivan leader when they were sitting standing on the on the train said waiting so a ye comes over to them he sees they're waiting for that train he tells him you're waiting to go to the sh leader so he say yes so he starts telling And when you get there, he tells them where they should which part they should dorm in which area. They shouldn't go to one section because in that section there can be bim who on shabas smoke along gur. So that was the first room that they had. They were still on waiting. Good. So they're wait they're going to wait venu comes over to them. He tells him, "You're waiting for the train to to go to that yeshiva." He says, We don't know who who it was. >> They didn't know who it was. No. Say so when they heard that. So they came was 11 12 years old. He went into the milavich there there was the yeshiva but after the yeshiva they started making for the kinder so he went to and they accepted him so he was in labage I think this was this was about Sam or Sam I'm not sure which I don't remember exactly which Yeah. So you learned in the then the su just like now there was you learn you learned there was like Mars town then 770 when I went to yeshiva was Newark in 770. So Lavish was also like that when you finished the you went to the the you stayed there for a year and a half then you went to Lavich that's was then he came to the zavage not sure which year some mis was in labavich till they left m he was there after the rebash went to the stove the yeshiv for a little bit for a year or two the yeshiva was still in labav so my was there mish to the very very end when the last wagons left he was there >> this was he was I think till about maybe Iess he got married in to pay and he lived he After he got married, he lived where my bub was from. Homo, his parents, he used to travel sometimes from his house to his parents' house back and forth. His parents immigrated to to the USA in Toé Pimmo. My Zeta had grand uncles, his zeda's brothers who came to America in the early 1900s or even the 1899 90s. I'm not sure exactly when they were here in America ready. So they encouraged my my elder Zeta and his brothers to come immigrate to America. They were shocked. My eld was ah and his brothers were also shocked. So they came to American to pay after they were here a few years. They wanted my zeta to come with his family. By then my zedu was already had had two two daughters. My my aunt my mother were born in Russia. So they they worked on getting them papers to be able to come to America. So in to pv they actually came but before then your your grandparents >> that was a very rare thing for to to come then. >> Yeah. What happened was before then my asked if he should come to he says his parents want him to bring him to America if he should come. So the Reb said yes you should go. Then he was atus another time and the freed told him. So after the told him he should go to America and the told him he should come in. I forgot who it was for when he came out. So he so he was this one was by the and he told him that. So the said he'll get the papers. So my says that it took three months to the date to get the papers. >> So he was in Hu then he >> in Hul and he got the papers and he came and he and he got the papers. He finally got the papers and the money he needed to go and he he left Russia. I think he left Russia is when he actually left Russia. He came to Ria. I think he was kissing >> took so long. >> Yeah. Until >> from of till till >> Yeah. It took way to That's how long the procedure took, >> right? >> You had to wait. There was a whole procedure to to get the visa officially he came as a in a shul so they had to verify so the consul at the had to verify that it's true and then they stamped it so it took a long time till all the papers went back and forth I think he came to America on hey tavis >> okay but then he got the first letter from The letter was a letter that was. >> Yeah. I forgot. It's a a page and a half letter. This was like uh the mission statement for us coming to America. >> It's like a like a >> Yeah. >> I think I read in his safe when he got to America he like did a lot of effort to make sure that he could find the langa lang and like to keep >> Yeah. When he came that was Yeah. He had a came with a long neckl but they would when so he says you know you make patch they said that they had to so he said they said in America it doesn't work that way everything is finished made you know >> off the rack >> off the rack and and no stores sell lang >> whatever and then became a sh from so like I said he he had uncles who were shocked he came to America before him his father and they were in they were ready they but they didn't want to take him and say you look like a bottle we can't take you in you know you're too >> disappear you know so they said so they looked around then there was already a this kabad in America there was a ro his name was Lshin so they went him and asked he was the officially raari for all the kabach in in Brownsville >> there were many >> in Brownsville >> so they looked around the only one who was here before was Abby Simpson was already here I visit Abby Simpson whatever if I can from the kits and imitates they first they finally found the sh from Eden who had come from theettle where they came from from Russia. Name of the was ani babisk but babisk thetle and they came from was close to babres. So a lot of people from the ded was a respected member of the of the of the kil in in the so when he came so they gave him so they said sure. So my ZA they took my ZA for a test. He was there and they were mabo him and he became a one of the people Davin Mayor Greenberg his father Davis Dul. So, Mayor Greenberg, he was a kid and Isaiah said nothing. But since he he never was in yeshiva before so when they came to yeshiva they put him in a lower grade because he he pushed he didn't know enough to be in the in the grades of his his age. So his father came to complain to my how can you send him to yeshiva? So my says you know he didn't want to send anything even earlier. So so my tutotor him a whole summer that for the next year he was able to get into a class of his age when it came when May became mitzvah. So my says yes so he started teaching him. >> Was he from originally? >> No. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So ma start teaching mayor greenwork and then some other of his started being the >> what the yeah the one of them some of them yeah there were others the whole group whole group this was the beginning of in America soci group first it was only the Mayor Gim and they were from Vadas. Then the group started growing from other yeshivas also. They used to come to my ZA taught them started teaching my mimm fab with them. They became my my father already wrote to the sadics from America. He has I think a letter from the from the >> So your father basically joined this group of >> Yeah. >> So he's a mur of Jacobson who later becomes >> Yeah. This group became bigger and bigger and it made a big map in America. called this group. That's the original not the yeshiva but the >> so they're an extension of basically >> yeahba then wanted that from every yeshiva should be one for the holy yeshiva. So each yes yeshiva had a nit in charge of that yeshiva. A lot of interesting letters from the freeba. One of the interesting letters is he writes they should be caveman on Tuesday to learnus and he wants to know exactly when they come. He also said that an they should learn in moi and that an should take turns to to be there when they learn. So if they have shus they have someone should be there to answer them. But he wrote them. >> He wants to know in Europe want the hours when are learning in America a lot of mice about the rebas to be here. One time he was here, he wanted us to come a second time, but the papers didn't work out. So he sent a different from was a so he used to bring with the bo a lot and when he came back to I think it was so he he gave a he came before so said that's I'm cite this quot he was a so before he was busy with it he says so he'll take a a clos he writes the clos looked at every single name he wanted to know every single he writes he writes he was reading the names Whatever >> later when the fa came. >> One second. But then there was also a whole group that went to >> wait. Yeah, that was okay. Later. >> Okay. >> Then so two of the bim decided to go tatsk. Better Levy and Avon Betski they decide they want to go to another and they taken we s American boys coming to the primitive whatever but on holiday thereus then my uncle went >> who also married He was married already. But the tonight was that he should go after his to go learn. >> This was a thing in there was such a thing I even in Europe to go after to go after your married for >> whatever >> a year. >> So they went out they came to so my my aunt Americana made you know. So the rebbit like they took care of the kids. So what >> your father was also part of this? Oh, this was before. This was before later, a few weeks before the M. But there were letters I think from a bring in. So in to Saddict about a month before the war, Isaiah put together a group a group of six Bim to goats. My father was part of those six Bim. They went they came tow right before the >> we had two um in the recent deer magazines we had two articles last few months just about this. >> Yeah wrote it in English. >> Yeah. From him. Yeah. >> So they came they came the first Friday they were there the bomb started falling. The Fredic ever told them they should go to run to they were not thoughts. They should go to Ria. They had to go to Vash and go to Ria and he they should wait in for him to come there. So it was a Friday night. They took the train to Vasha. They came to Vasha Friday night. Where were they going to stay? They thought they'll go into a hotel. But to go into hotel you have to sign your name. So shabas said he didn't know what to do. So he went to es one of the invas was famous by the >> so he told them okay they found a place where they didn't have So after Shabas they they went on a train to go to Ria. By then the the the the war was already the bombs were flying all over the place. So they they were on the train to Ria the Nazis the planes were trying to bomb the trains that were going. So when the train went stopped, so a lot of people decided to get off the trains. Sakus, the Nazis are bombing the trains. They got off on the station. The what happened at the end? The Nazis saw the people getting off the trains on the station. So they came down and they strayed you know the this this they load they came down and they were f they killed people on the train station. >> They bombed the train station. >> Yeah. The people who on the train meanwhile some Polish planes came and the the Nazis train planes. So the trainers coming. >> So listening to the daba saved their lives. >> Yeah. They came to they were. So when the came so they called him the used to give him my father once told me that he says his soul is still burning from the not in Ria they wish to the mas. So they were in Ria. So the at that time it was known that the Nazis are soon coming into Latvia. So so the there told the Bim you have to run back to America. Save yourselves go back to America. the didn't want to go. So they didn't want to go again. So then was they went they left they left they left it again came to America later there was a letter from the I mean there was no communications then it was in the middle of the war whatever but that's what happened so he made it back to America or another one of the ones who was there I'm not sure if he was a dis he also one who went before >> I think he was if I remember correctly I think he was like before >> and before I think >> I think so yeah >> I think I once heard from you soul Gordon about that when he when he came back to America so all the B what did they do so they they were going back to Vadas yeshiva because before the freed ever came they were in tadas He said he can't I cannot let us say. So he he sat in the sh I forgot on the east side or wherever it was >> that's I think I heard from you Gordon >> amazing they came when the came they all went >> so went back then comes >> they all and >> he started. So those are the first in the yeshiva this group. >> Mhm. >> So your father learned in 770. >> Yeah. My father learned in 770 in the beginning of tam shabas. He he was sitting in the z he gets a tap on his shoulder tapping his shoulder. them. So he goes upstairs to to Fred Freda tells him that he received a letter from Labava in Pittsburgh was in a bad neighborhood. So the Aliunga young young families moved out to a better neighborhood. in every camp help take care of them. So figure as in Pittsburgh from Pittsburgh then it was mish a few days before he used the skis. I don't know how my kids have figured out it was the night of December 7th the night of Pearl Harbor. I don't know. But my father was an No, for Morgan the free. So my father went the next morning train station went by train comes to Pittsburgh comes to the train station in Pittsburgh the captain there'll be a welcoming committee he gets off the train station's empty but he had a telephone number for the president of the sh so he calls the number guy answers says who are you so he says he says what can you help us and he slams the phone down but gets it >> nice cabal pun >> yeah so my father had the address of the shaw so eggate in the sh so he went he he came comes to the sh while he's standing sitting in the shaw the postman comes into the sh with a special delivery letter. There was a shamus an alter shamas and shul al shamas gives a look at the letter and he throws it into a closet. After the shamas walked out of my father was curious so he gives a look the letters from the it was the letter from theb so they didn't know yet that he was coming right. No. So my father stayed it was the my father when he was there told him that he should send them a list of and will send them the money. My father used to say cooking every time he went to the store to buy something to eat at mall. What he should buy? Then he saw that in the afternoon when public schools closed. So he went on out on the street and he started teaching the kids. So This is only this was in one section of Pittsburgh. couldn't teach her home at once. So he slept from 770 to come help him when he wanted to expand more. So he as told him that this is and he should ask. So any question he has. So he basically founded the school in Pittsburgh. >> Yeah. Whatever. >> And that was that the first >> It was actually the first one. Yeah. But it was it was an afternoon school what we call nowadays a >> Mhm. But it's it expanded to it was get my father was still so it came a point that also my father's already that someone has to anel in this whole operation. So my wife's grandfather pos was in Chicago. So the free told my sh pos to move to Pittsburgh and take take over the whole operation. So he came to Pittsburgh and he he made a regular a regular school from this mud kadesh in the morning in the afternoon. So the school in the sea of a school he he was the one who established. >> Yeah. But his but the garden was from my father. Yeah. So he so ultimately he came back to New York >> then later. Yeah. At the end of ten giml he came back it was this and tsh gimmel he came back to New York and he got got engaged. >> So is there a story about the with the with the I'm saying it was Jacobson in New Year's one of one of his. So >> yeah of course you know he made the Yeah. Sure. Yeah, there's letters from the to my father. So maybe you could tell me about your mother because I know there's a lot uh there's a special that the Reba had with her. >> Yeah, my mother well my mother my mother was born like I said she was born in Russia. She came to America one and a half years old. She grew up, you know, and she went to public school. There was no there was no B anchors those times. My mother had a gain and shak like top in the class whatever. So any she had was from the home. So her understanding was is from looking at my Z just to give you an illustration my mom's corp my father used to learn my mother used to sit next to my father and my father then my used to learn three prohibit unique. >> Yeah. My mother was like a big debater any on any every wherever. She had very strong days, you know. No shortest. She didn't go for any shortest or anything. And you could argue for hours with her. She wouldn't budge, you know, whatever. So I want to ask about the shahim. >> Okay. >> But maybe maybe maybe it's better better to go chronological order. So your parents got married. parents got married in Toshan Daled. My father after he was in Pittsburgh, they got married in kiss of Toshan Dalid. In the summer of Tasham Dalid, he started the yeshiva in New Haven. So that was the establishment of it. >> What? >> That was the establishment of the yeshiva. >> Yeah. He started the yeshiva mish. >> Okay. Two so far two yeshivas under under his belt. >> Yeah. >> That are still around. Yeah. Then I don't know exactly when he wrote the that he he knows the area of the Bronx. I don't know exactly how. Could be because my elder Zeda lived in the Bronx because his great uncle, he had a great uncle, like I said, who came and they they moved into they lived in the Bronx. So, I imagine that's why he moved to the Bronx. >> Your father's >> my Z Jacobson's parents. >> Okay. >> They lived in the Bronx. So, >> could be that's how he said he that's why he knew the Bronx. There was a very big nahar sh in the Bronx there was the malik >> who also had his own thing going on in Tadas but >> yeah that's a separate same time as your za >> yeah that's a separate issue okay but but my el za Like I said, he was ash. So he so he ded and he he was like I don't know if he was. So, so when he so the told like I said everything l went back and forth. Lupel he he started the yeshiv in the Bronx. I think it was not sure if it was to or he started in the Bronx. They moved to the Bronx. The yeshiva lasted until the end of the laments. By then the whole Bronx was going for vice for Sher. There were no Eden left there. So that's the Bronx. So that's and that's so that's where you were born. That's where you grew up. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Fine. So um maybe you could tell me a little bit about there's a lot of letters from your mother to the Reb like maybe you could tell me something about it. Oh, no. The letters they printed that was alsist without a name but it's to my father. My mother was she was brought up in the depression years. So she was very fetched and had to move from one place to another. every every gashmi zika you know the it was very depressing for her. So, so my father once wrote to the Reb that my mother's so down. So there we wrote on the bottom something like that. >> Donus I think. >> What? >> Donis is that >> what? Donus. Yeah. How does she have this? >> Yeah. >> So, so then >> Yeah. >> Okay. Then I think it was the end of the was the Yiddish. Y the shame had the Yiddish and the English. So I don't know exactly why there was an editor for the English for whatever reason. So so she I don't know exactly how it happened. She became the editor from the English of the Yiddishim. So just like the talks and tales the same with the Yiddish the Yiddish was the English. So the Reb himself was mir side the talks and tales in Englishside the Yiddish in English. >> So your mother's the editor >> and the Reb is editing every >> every ishum. Yeah. >> Every ishum. So that means that every single English article indeed the looked over. Is that what it means? >> Every single every single article >> I think. Yeah. Then the wrote I think it was the is relying on her. >> Yeah. So are there are there are there any interesting or that your mother got because of the I think this was the reason people paid for the printing of the >> it's $1,000 each mention mention so one of the 10 was my mother the everyone of these 10 people the gave his these 10 people could make their own but the reb the the one that the rebu's mother's name Rebana's name that was the reb's >> so one of the hakoshas was for was for >> that was the main hakosha >> okay >> so the reb gave a potatoes the one with the rebbit's each one of these 10 people got got >> oh you're saying that these people had their own hakasha also okay >> each one I have a look with the what my parents printed it on the name of my brother. So >> when he he was alive >> not >> he needed a foolish >> my brother they printed it >> the but on the reb the one that the rebba gave the rebba inscribed every look he wrote two or three shudas the lion of the shbatusem And then he signed his name. So had liquid potatoes. So So my father was once in current heights. He wanted to pick up the liquidator. So said, "My mother has to come get the liquid potato. Then the Reb told my mother she should teach it to Kalus Father Kasna. So it's like the Madria for the Kalis. So she had to come from Bronx to Crown Crown Heights. A train ride was not a very Gishmaka ride. Could take at least an hour and a half if not more. A car ride is a half hour. And the train itself, it didn't go through the Mosaic Gishak Gishmaka neighborhoods. The train ride was an L train. It went through South Bronx. South Bronx is famous for mention history from New York. South Bronx was mafica as one of the worst neighborhoods in the whole America. the biggest slum areas. I mean, I went to yeshiva also. I used to go to yeshiva. I went to bed and every Sunday morning I would take the train. So, pass through. You pass through the South Bronx. You looked out the windows of an L train on top. You looked out the window. All you saw was buildings, burnt out buildings for miles and miles with the windows wooded up. look like the bonded out city m. >> So my mother was very uncomfortable. So my mother maybe soul she should be able to come with a taxi. So agreed to pay for the taxi for my mother to come to He to teach. >> He agreed for that. It must have been important. I'm see >> um what was the Reb's involvement with your your brother wasn't well his whole life. What was the Reb's involvement with that? >> So, so here we have to go a little bit maybe to the because >> that was my next question. >> Okay. It has a that's why I want to say it. >> Okay. Fine. So, we have the Aline. >> Yeah. which I think was once the Jacobson he was an asan but he was a doer in fact when my mother asked the rebba about printing safer theness of my za. So or or the the story of the soul of the wrote I don't remember the exact lotion. It's printed in your the story of your grandfather. It is the story of >> Yeah. >> Kabadis. >> Yes. So the kit like I said before came and to he was also heavily involved with rescuing the he was a big heavy like if he was part of the vadum of Brownville he was busy in America every in those years my hand was in the middle whatever Every Mes from the early years was involved. The kids came to America. The only he knew then was Rabbi Simpson. So at the end of before before Sukus. So he went to Abby Simpson and he as simp I'll have one for you Isa Isa knew in in Italy there was a yid who supplied Europe with the like he didn't own the fields but he he was the one he lived in I forgotten which city but he there's letters from the rebuild He was the way people got Yanov in Europe. >> So contacted him contact I think even the yeshiva and vasha and he ordered the he got aim box of not only one he got a whole box. in the beginning had they get a sim grew wild. It's not there was no wasn't an orderly way. So they used to hire a to go to the fields to to the places where the sum grew and the cut the seum and sent to the yid he sent them to America. No one looked on this. So the sum were you know they weren't exactly the shim. So like this as they started my zeta started more and more people started wanting yum. So my za started ordering more and more and he he bought you know what he paid a good price for them until the gazen something's developing here. So they started you know taking care more whatever. So twickled the whole thing when the came to visit America to sadik. So when he came in saddic so the also ordered this >> from >> no before then he ordered they should send from Europe a to him they came to my address because the address in America for kabad was my zed's address so the fid's box of came also to my kachagen also came with the fed to America was a mutin took my zeta whatever. So he stayed by my zeta a lot. So my zeda had his boxes of soach was by my in the house and he saw my so he tells my sob that's all looked at later I think they went into the It's not goalless. We have we have >> Yeah, whatever. Whatever. There was a mafus with the my aunt. She was a small girl then. She was crosseyed. So they brought her into the fora. So when she they came in so the freed turned to my aunt. She was a small girl. I don't think she was even 10 years old yet. And he called her over. She should she should so he he walked she walked over to the freed told her cook. So she looked to then turn that she walked out healed the kids. So that was the mafus also told by Za should bring he told him that's how the whole thing >> that's where it comes from. >> That's where it comes from. that were mad to have the mach. >> Yeah, >> that was very hard as a kid going to Al and trying to find one with the now. Now they come in packages. >> Yeah. So that's how that's how the things started. Next year next is >> so >> and once a came to America So the so once came to America so my visa supplied Bum I think from the beginning the rebu was the one who took care by the the choosing the minimum the reb took care of it. So yea was always working with on this on >> I think I believe so. So my supplied bas with the all the years I think Milan Italy was so he wrote to the gov >> this whole issue of mim began the whole >> the whole problem >> that's when he was mal the problem originally when it was a wild fields so it was no problem but once the go started making you know fields dedicated for yen so then the tree is a very weak one so they had to strengthen it your mark of it so then the reba and be every free to make sure it's not av >> and they have to have and told him he has to have >> two people should be bic every tree. So my zeta started going every summer to at that time the rebba gave my za money to be from the holy and the hats. Every year since then the rebi used to send out to my zeta and when my zeta was na my father took over he sent out to my father every year $501 every year to for the travel to Italy. Yeah, for they saw us in the gash. I remember my Zic going to Ital when I was a young thes I remember we used to go to the country in the middle of the summer. My father would disappear for for a month. >> My father used to travel with my zeda. My zedi used to tell us it's a bush. Ess is a bush. It's not a big tree. It's a bush full of thorns. And a lot of time was on the bottom, even under the under the ground. So, and dig up. If you see, you could tell if there was like a little mound of earth. So, you had to dig with your hands until you can see where they're going. So it was wasn't a big, you know, automated work. It was it was like dark. So Isaiah had a flashlight to be able to see was doing every year. would send out the beginning of the summer theat was in the business and then the you know >> to all the >> Yeah. So every year was a different amount >> according to how how many people was. So the order from other places. >> No, even from Calabria. >> Okay. But >> and he used to pay for it used to for the sake was all in cash. $100 bills. >> When did the Reb pay for it? So the Reb paid the right also. >> So he paid he paid time >> in cash. >> Yeah. So my father my father was show had stacks of $100 bills from the >> right. So when he wanted so was $100 bill from the >> and this is all the years >> it's paying cash and your father would go into the to receive it or was no >> what happened was so when it came when this when they had to give the so usually it was the night of so my father used to bring the Reba suitcases of a >> you you were part of it also. >> No. >> Her father would bring let's say 30 50 and in they put a long table the whole way through and my father would unpack the suitcase. than the Reb would I don't I'm not sure if my father was there when the Reb chose the but my father always had a with the with the Reb the Reb would had a those so they would ask him all kinds of things there a lot of things about what's doing in in Italy with the fields over there but a lot was private family things so that's when a lot of times my father would says the Reb about my brother. He needed special help. He was totally paralyzed. I think he had ALS. They call it MS or ALS. I forgot which one. I'm not sure what he had. But he was totally paralyzed. The Reb used to tell him what give her what to do. I think it was my father always wanted revolt after the finished picking the so he called my father back in and my all the rejects my father would take all the rejects and pack them back in a suitcase so one time I forgot so after my my father packed it So the reb asked my father. So So my father said, "So the came out and I was standing ting the whole way." >> You cuz you were helping tak your father. >> I was going to shle it back to the car. >> So the threw open the door. He saw me. That's the extent of my involvement. >> Okay. Uh but I'm Mama behind the scenes. You're involved also because there's also a whole business of selling a that's a whole thing, right? >> My father my father didn't come to Crown Heights to sell the sen. He used to hire people to to sell for him. Hold Satan used to sometimes sell the sen for him. my cousin Yosi old time. Then came a time he asked me to help out in the store. So for a while I started so I started helping out in the store not by myself. I just I used to go in but I didn't run the whole thing. I was busy in the you know was not >> which I'll talk about soon. whatever wasn't shy that I should take over a business. But then after my father moved to my parents moved to so then I took over the business. >> Mhm. So um to the >> and so my father used to go to Italy after my pet even before then my suffered a massive heart attack. So in the summer of the doctors didn't let him go already. So then my father went to Italy and mazar started with I think mazar started with my zeta. He told me a lot of times he picked a sing with my za already >> cuz he was there you know. >> He was there. Yeah. So he helped my zeta but after my zetas went stopped going. So my father Michel were the ones who picked us up in Lammed V. My father suffered a heart a major heart attack. So he the son of Lammed Vovv he couldn't go already. So then started going with Mishel Lazar. He was also lived in in what? He lived there. >> He lived in Milan. Yeah. Milan. Yeah. >> Right. >> Okay. So um >> so since then so were the ones who picked the forb all the years. He still goes on the field when he has but both of them trained their children in the So they work together with you. >> Yes. Yes. >> So if you want to buy a from the place that has a you have to buy from offline. Okay. Um >> for business but it's >> I said it. You said it. Okay. Okay. >> That's it. 1 plus 1 equals two. I don't know. >> You don't have to. >> Okay. Very good. Um, so I want to move on a little bit to you >> to me. >> I think we're ready. So you're born in the Bronx. >> Born in the Bronx. I went to my father's yeshiva till I was about 11 years old. >> So what was the first So you're not living in Crown Heights. What was your first uh like seeing the saying exactly the first time? >> I don't remember. >> I think I don't remember. Maybe I remember with my brothers. I'm not sure. >> Younger brother. >> My older brother. >> Older brother >> was born to Zion. No, I don't remember. I think I remember coming to 77. I mean, we used to come very often to my ZA's house for PE other times and he was living in Crown Heights then. Sure. >> Yeah. So, you grew up being around around the rabbis. What is your like your earliest times remembering the rabbi? >> Not a time. I'm saying like what was the mak what was the what was going on? Fabian >> I only remember two mares very vague you know I don't have clear memories I remember dabbing in the clan all upstairs yontiff you know packed in the CL and I also remember a little in the shash I wasn't in the shalash I was with my mother. The vibr show was around the shellash goes down but around like where the where the building is the left side the apartment building. So the the women used to go around used to look down in the shellash >> like by by behind the gate. >> Yeah. So you look you they used to look down into the shellash. So I was with my mother I remember by think I was a little kid I don't remember I don't even remember what year it was my father used to fabangans >> so those years you were learning so I mean so that that those are your early memories from the >> okay my father used to fabrangas as a kid remember going to to the holes >> the fabang in the halls. >> Yeah, I remember I remember my father help me to hold that's all in the >> Yeah, in the I remember my whole title remember the kind of I remember I don't know some vague memory of title. >> So you're learning in the Bronx for the whole elementary you learned there. >> Yeah. She didn't go to bed and >> what? >> You didn't go to bed in No. Your father is >> Yeshiva. >> Yeah, I went to I went to to betine I think I believe >> when you were already >> 11 years old 11. >> So you basically grew up it's like it's like a basically like like you're growing up in the Bronx. There's no other kids like >> like like kids grow up today like that that type of thing. >> Yeah. weren't a lot of from we lived in a neighborhood where there weren't a lot of yidden >> right so you end up going to Bedford and Dean at 11 years old >> 11 years old I went to bed my brother was already in bet before me >> so and then you're learning in the then you had your mitzvah you're already in the labs >> yeah and for I imagine Yeah. >> So, anything that you want to anything from those early years when you were younger that that's worth sharing? >> I don't remember anything any I don't remember any before my father. In other words, not for a kid to say. >> Mhm. It was my father sat with a pen. You know those days he wrote it out on on paper 20 pw written pages. When I went we went as me. So, so the rebar me on the So the rebug is given. So I tried to answer you know question till I got stuck in my father was embarrassing me I was going to go all I remember is that that's all I Um, I think he said, >> you didn't know what that meant then? >> At that time? >> Yeah, >> probably not. >> Uhhuh. >> That's all I remember from the mitzvah. >> Okay. So, I imagine once you're in uh whatever they call it, yes, high school in Bedford, you started becoming a little more. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Whatever. I think you told me that you listen to Yeah. tapes you >> later on. Okay. But this is this is so like I said we used to come a lot of times to my fora. So like this I used to go every Shabas used to go back home to the Ram for Shabas. But once in a while I I stayed in Crown Heights for Shabasim when I was after Bitzah. A lot of times I would stay for Shabasim by Z. Not every shabas but but a lot of times I didn't understand the fabings was over my head completely. I do remember that. Yeah, I remember the right >> the whole story. Yeah, >> story. >> Okay, that that was I forgot. I forgot which year was I remember from the like Remember when the Reb said the Ma something like that. >> Only knew one. But I remember that that was >> So you're starting to uh So then also I learned in Bedford every Sunday already was a mifa every Sunday used to the whole ma would sit around the big and would for the for the kids >> for the kids. Yeah. So I guess so when he used to the rashis you know used to he used to so we we'll be able to hop so later when the rebas so the the rashes were already easier to follow you know kash empress >> you're saying you got used to the style >> you got used to >> we were able to understand it yeah >> so so then we I so then I start we started understanding the I feel you know was easy to follow wasn't so started I was already getting older So we already learned by the real officially >> in Bedford. >> In Bedford. >> So like were you you by that time you already >> I would say much more. Yeah. >> So were you like were you like part of were you like going to Khaz? Were you doing that type of thing right away or are you still these things take time? >> I used to go to Khazar. Yeah. I used to go to Yeah. >> Okay. So, what happens afterwards? You you I know you were in >> more chicken. >> No, I'm saying I know you're in I know you're in Melbourne. That was >> a lot later. >> That was after you're learning already. >> Yeah. >> So, so just give me chronologically what happens. You you was my last year in Bedford. I learned in Newark >> and that's when you were uh listening to tapes of of previous years. >> No, that was in Betin and Bedford still in Bedford. >> What happened? So I had two who had tape recorders. In those years a tape recorder wasn't the little tiny cassette. It was gigantic machines with reels >> real tore. >> Real tore actually had three Arank of Golding from Ann Arbor. So, so he he had the tapes from his father from all the old years >> from the Yuds >> from the Yuds. Well, who had tape recorders, but Mav had a tape recorder. So, I borrowed the tape recorder from Mav in the dormatory. And the tapes I borrowed from Any gave us tapes. So Thursday night, lights out was officially 9:30. So after there was a dormatory, counselor, whatever. So after lights out 10, 10:30, I used to take the machine, go down to the to the basement where the kitchen was, plug in the tape recorder, hand tapes, whatever. Then there was no there weren't kadesh. all the sikas was it was partially unavailable. So I used to write I used to write the I couldn't write as fast as I could. I started writing the fabings. >> So you're getting used to the >> what? >> So you're getting you're you're training yourself. You trained yourself forever forever >> to to write to write a little bit >> infas and faban I used to go to a table to sit was much higher than but I took a pad and I wrote the spoke >> during the week. >> Yeah. During the week I wrote Bash as fast as I could for >> So you were just doing this for yourself because you wanted to because you wanted to understand the that that's basically what you what you were doing >> and the the reason why you were listening to the Yod was for no reason was because you had that's what you had available. >> Yeah. Push it. >> Yeah. There was I used to sit sometimes till 6:00 in the morning push it six hours straight listening to fabulos. Yeah. uh >> it wasn't available those you know those years everything was you know >> okay so >> this was we came to 770 >> and then the whole happens >> and yeah at the end we learned in 770 in the in the middle of the winter I forgot exactly when I get a tap on my shoulder. By incline calls me out of that in Australia. My brother was from the six. So this was so See? >> Yeah. >> He you have he's asking you to put your name on >> that and you have no gaz problems whatever. So I said yes my niggle was captain from Baltimore. So he was also but called each one separate when the tra came. So officially we didn't know each other. We learned together but the whole winter when was >> without speaking to each other about it. >> Yeah. So just looking at the the t the tension. >> Mhm. So we understood that we both under the same tension gave them. So always the the day after the grace of so we're pushing But in mit I was standing there. So gives me a tap on the shoulder to go into room. So when tells him that for Australian >> yeah green. So he also went he saw he said he saw it settle with the rebreing. So the reb had a shim of all the other he said he saw I think if I remember correctly he said he saw the reban on the settle whatever so this was we had to get visas what happened was the first went on tours visas so when they wanted so the government there you know once so they want us to come on Student visas. A student visa was much more >> complicated. >> Complicated. So it took time until the visas came. L we left. No was Thursday. That Thursday lip brought us safe potato from Morocco. Maka he brought it into the reb's minion and we so we rolled into I rolled into 770 for I come into the hallway and I see in the hain of the bank came down this was up. Okay. >> And after then it was the beginning of Nissen. Then this the kitchen was in 7:49. That's where the yeshiva kitchen was. But from the was close. So how so where did the B meet? There were buses that took the B to bet and Dean three times a day to eat breakfast, lunch and supper. The bus driver was his name was Pearlman. I think Pearlson I forgot his name. was where her name was. After dabbling used to go into the Reb came out from the Reb's room with a bottle of wine as lip. So brought in the bottle of wine to the Z and told. Meanwhile, this palish guy, he was sitting bum g you know he was trying to the boss to get breakfast. >> He had to go to bed came running out of meas. So we stayed in the Z upstairs in the gate was sitting under windows facing Kesh. So the is around and sat down next to go from the vine. That was Thursday morning. in the afternoon. So they told us we were going after Shabas to Australia. So we're going told us the get ma so we should prepare paper bags to to put on the mat. So after we all went into into the Reb's room was by his desk the said the is printed already and then the said we should take matzah didn't give us the box was in the back of the room. Then the Reb gave us guilt. He gave every one of us a 20, a 10, a five, and a one. $36 >> in American currency. >> In American currency. Yeah. This was Thursday after I remember and gave him to the Reb was Thursday afternoon. Thursday night was officially from the So the Reb gave out the in time for the sh there was mish like seven eight wines of marmis on the on the gishim The callous is ready. >> The first words. So he said what the sun is. But was this I always like the when the on the of Australia. So If I remember as a so officially we went for two years. We're coming home after two years, >> right? name. There's no such thing temporary. >> Yeah. >> So before we go back to Australia, I forgot to ask you something. I just want to move back a little bit before we continue to Australia. There was a story that you had with um I think it was in this about about with yourself. Can you tell me about that a little bit? >> Yeah. When you want to My parents wanted me to finish high school, my mother mainly. I wanted to quit English. Oh, which year was it? I think it was it was the summer of I asked the I wanted to quit English, but my parents don't want. So the Reb said I should talk with my I learned them by He spoke to them but he didn't get anywhere. Then was he was in the Nile. He at Jagel with a D. The next year there was a whole chef. I was It's a question of skipping a class because the yeshiva wanted to take half the ka and skip them a class somehow my if I stop going to English he'll be able to skip me. So pale that's what happened. So I didn't finish English so I skipped out of English. This was going into that was the that's the whole my >> that's what happened. >> That's what happened. >> That's interesting. So um let's go back to Australia. So you had the the with the Musco >> and then you went to Australia. >> We went to Australia. Yeah. >> You were there for two years. >> Two years. Yeah. Anything you want to mention from that that's important? >> You were there. You learned you were with the >> learn. Yeah, >> there were six bim and they all the the other bum weren't in the yeshiva. There was no official rash yet in yeshiva. So every B from the six B each one learned taught three or four B nigla and cameas whatever there for two years we came back right before we had an interesting story coming back in Australia there was a yid is gant He was the Reb's cousin, Klu Gant was from the Hanovski family. I believe he had an older brother May who was left in Russia. But they had a pair of fillin muk when went out with all the the so this ped was by his older brother Mayor >> in Russia >> in Russia when left Russia so his older brother said he doesn't want to keep the tin here because well who knows what's going to be he so he gave it to him to take out of Russia so this pair fill was by then his older brother was nif in Russia. So he this happened right before we came back. So he decided so he decided he's going to send back the film with us >> to send the film. But so our heshel greenber was like he was the elder of he was like the from all of us. So he so he picked him and told him I'm making you a to bring the to the but he told him that he wrote to theb he wants that. So we came back. So we wrote to the wre as theb wrote back. It was the next day in the morning went to the ale. So told us we should all be waiting on before goes out to the hill. So you were all standing there had the film then was the time when the and the spoken So when we came the from he gave each one of us the of the from the and he shall added film. The Reb was standing in the doorway of the Reb took a step forward towards us but he kept his foot that the door should not slam because when Hash gave the Re so the Reb took the tomb with two hands. So he didn't want to use one hand to keep the door. So he shouldn't have to open the door with the handle with his hand. So when he after he took the tomb, he kicked the door back open with his foot and he went in with the tomb. That but what happened was when we were coming to New York. So we stopped in Hawaii. We went through customs in Hawaii. So when we went through customs, we all had our trill in our handbag and they looked they checked our handbags. So Dorton by the customs he made everyone open up the trill bags and open up take out the trill from the shock which diamonds the only that they open was the soon I think I read somewhere that it was like the bak were able to look at it >> what like for a day or two it was like sitting it was like the bak were able to look at it >> I don't remember I read that somewhere >> I don't remember that. Mhm. I remember film. >> Oh, maybe I'm mixing up. >> Alter's film I believe was there was a from Montreal. His name was Zurich and he brought from Vaultist film then the from the VA and you were able to get stuff out of out of there in a museum. deps you able to get it out. That's why there was there's a lot of kadesh from from thebot. It was taken from there from he brought the film. I believe it was the gazik. I think it was after and he said I forgot who was holding him. He said, "So after there was a long line that I remember I was a bet >> I mixed up." Okay. >> But I don't remember. >> And those are in the library. >> It was in the library. It's in the library. Yeah. I remember to there was a whole thing with the shin on the on the shr the t of the shin was different than the way the suffering used to do it. So they were brim who had took aluminum foil to make you know to press it on the film to be able to make to get the se of the shin. There was a bot in Montreal. I forgot his name. And they sent it to him that when he makes the shin nowadays. >> So that's the shin that we uses based on that. >> The was in the in the bottom of the shin. A mole. First there was like a V, an upside down V. And from the from the bottom from the top of the V they made but but also like like this but it was a very long rego and well it wasn't a long rego. It was like it didn't come to a point down. >> It was like flat on the bottom. It was like a upside down box like this. The bottom was flat. >> So not pointy. >> Not pointy. But now the bottom of the shin is a was a long it's a longergo, >> right? So you you come back from the So this is the surprise for >> surprise for bringing I think. >> Yeah. It's a surprise for bringing >> and you stayed in 770 till you got married. >> I stayed in 77. Yeah. >> So >> So what do you want to share about? So, so that's when the made so the mat the made them that we should learn after summ from 9:30 to 10 to 10. That was something that you were involved in in starting >> that was to this thing. >> I don't remember >> something about um the 10% from the >> was >> 10% from the Kashim. >> Oh, that was something. We'll soon get to it. >> Okay. What was that? >> One second. >> Okay. And this was so we learned it was became a big but that's how began from this learning start I forgot So typed up and we stencled it. I don't know if I explain what a stencil machine is a blue stencil. A blet and we used to Fernand throw throw the blet on the tables in 770 through the summer. I think from the blood. So from this so there was a marus was on the I was on the including our type and we wrote a we wrote the Reb that we want to print from all the and we gave to the Reb a copy of the Shalot of the of of the coverb of the that's all. So the >> that's why I changed >> and I know it said $600. So the wrote 10% from mosquitoes was going from the owl of Mes. This is my high. >> Yeah. >> Many. >> What? >> Many mistas. >> Yeah. So is that how you got involved in this? Yeah. What? What are we talking about? >> What? >> Which >> when like what is it? Which is that? was >> started from braces being my gear. I used to I was close with so I used to >> was already doing >> was already in the already. >> He's older than you. >> What? >> He's older than you. He was he was a younger man. He was a bachim. He was a younger man already. >> Okay. I think so. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think he was already in mind. I was surely used to whatever. because he he felt that we need a new in order for the start wanted to be able to focus on the bench forgot whenever stopped being I think it was stopped for a few weeks but then the started again forgot exactly how it happened that's when he he they offered him the the Shiva Miami. So the question was he like he couldn't be with the canon. If I remember correctly he said if he has summon a door some health then filthy I can tobe them. So that's when I went into the so I they asked me to come work in the vat work on the >> bak still gimbals in the middle some gimmel but what happened then later on in so then there was a void official void So that's how I went came into the >> that's how you became you know >> very involved. >> So what's the job of what do you have to do? >> So what does that mean? So you had all the of all the years. How do you do it? >> Yeah, of course we had we had we had we had of certain other words we had like for you can use this. So the the vad would make these dur >> we had them by ourselves. We forgot how the rishim started sawik shabas and you saw a sika that that's not printed. It's not muggi yet but it can be used for certain para. So he added soima became bigger and bigger. >> Mhm. So is to take the take a >> what? >> So could you describe to me like what what the processes of of the of the >> I can't describe it. No. >> You can't meaning you won't or or >> I can't. You >> can't. What does it mean? >> I don't know how to describe it. Okay. If you can't, you can't. So, what was the >> I'll just give you one small word, a simple observation of Abdul. I'm saying let's imagine Albert Einstein came into a classroom of of teenagers and he he threw a sentence and that sentence is in physics or whatever it was. But he said as a sentence that a teenager can can repeat it. And let's say the teenager someone has a good mind a good and he writes down the sentence is noism. >> Mhm. Whatever it was, whatever it is, imagine you have a call and he says this one line is what's leaked in them. That one line in order to understand what that line really means. So first you have to learn the And that that line can have layers and layers. It's only I'm just trying to explain it in a way that you should be able to understand what I'm saying. >> You're saying this is the function of the >> Yes. A transcript was gazok. But try to understand foreign dog is again a hurdle one layer deeper than the simple whatever said that was one of the So write it. Yeah. Like the name. So he used to say again and again. So, and that was a big part of of the >> So, that's the that's the first line. You want a description? I can't describe it. I'm just explaining one small >> right. So >> before we could even start preparing >> and the asking the questions was often. >> Sure. >> Even though the could have been from years before. >> Yeah. Sure. >> Mhm. And what what was the process of um there was how many like can you take me take me through the basic process of how >> that was every two times. It's hard to describe nowadays what a typewriter is. It's like telling people what a dinosaur is. But used to type up type up the sika. You look in sikas kish now the old sik kadesh. So you see what a typewriter looked like. So he used to given the sika double space a lot of space between the lines so the rebu would edit it. So he had a lot of space in between on the side of the paper. That would be the hag number one. After the reb was m the first time to then it went to the printer. It was type set. In those years type setting was not like today when you print say for you everything you do on a computer you had all the graphics are on a computer. In those years the machines for printing were called liner top lino type machines. Liner tops machines was based. It was hot metal like burning hot soft. And when you typed it imprinted a piece of metal, one line on that one line, it imprinted whatever you typed in. So one line at a time, one shoot at a time was typed. So let's say your page, you had columns, you type, let's say a whole column. But when you typed it, it was one thin column. So a let's say is eight pages. Let's say eight pages. Every page has two columns. 16 columns. But in the original it was one long 16 columns. One long one long thing of six of 16 columns long of of of type. So in order to proofread it if there were mistakes on the typing. So the printing shops had a machine that it would it would take this long long let's say 16 pages one long 16 page one column and would come out on a on a long sheet of paper a thin column a long column. This was called gollies. That's what it used to be called. This was all all books were printed that way at that time. So So when you proof read it, you read through that long column if you found a mistake. So there was a mistake on that line. So how do you correct it? So the printer had to re retype that one line and then he had to go through the metal all the metals find the line of metal that had the mistake, throw it out and replace it with the new one. And then obviously he made another one to see maybe when he retyped he made a mistake. That was the second proof reading. So the Reb was after this after the the was type set. So first we proof read it ourselves and simple typos were corrected and then another one was made until it was clear from all print typos and then it went into the Reb for a second type. the goalies a set of goals of the whole sika the sik itself with the mm came as separate the reb would then edit a second time the sika this wasn't for proof reading the proof reading was done already and here's a lot of times the reba the second time would write holy yonim that weren't on the first go that was the second a lot of time the would write a piece for example short, concise and kadesh and he would say to translate this into Yiddish was not word for word >> but you know to expand it should be written out they would say to a lot of times you can see on the first sometimes they would write a short piece he would leave like a little circle on the The circle always meant that was going to go over it again a second time. A lot of times whenever wrote a mim wrote a mazal and he didn't write the mim but he would leave a little circle to fill in the mim and then after after the hag we didn't understand something we would ask the rebba and sometime would a third time >> not always >> what >> not always >> not always sometimes in other is sometimes the Reba just answered the question. But sometime after the Reb answered the question. >> So that caused that whole priestess had to be rewritten. >> Right? So if nothing needed to be rewritten then >> nothing had to be rewritten major. So then >> right >> then but if something major had to be rewritten so we could ask the Reb a third time and Sante Mia a third time certain pieces at least. >> Mhm. Um, and you were only working on the on the not in the >> No, only the >> only only look. >> Yeah, only look. >> You were involved in in writing >> a little bit. Sometimes I certain times I wrote certain I I wor I wor I worked a little bit and sometimes some I wrote ciphel cipher and cyhel a little bit very very little bit once in a while um so I want to so I want to ask you maybe specific uh sikas so first of all there's of um memb >> I don't remember >> some when the spokesson had a injury >> I'm not sure could be when theson fell and then it was the wanted to be my I forgot which year it was. So it's connected to the >> why. Yeah. >> Okay. Um and also so you doing this as a bak but then you got married in the middle. How did how did you end up uh doing this afterwards? Well, I worked then again the reb but the Reb said in the beginning. So we started in the beginning every week we printed a built did this. >> Yeah. What was interesting a lot of those after Shabas the leak was printed the Reb sent out the leot with a hashm a new on the >> show I give to them >> even though it was built in mug but the rebb added on the sikhas And later years we use a lot of these for the >> later on. Yeah. >> So >> so so at the end of when it came to so we decided you're already a younger man at this point. What? >> You're already a younger man at this point? >> Yeah. I got married. Yeah. >> And it was a question if you should stay in the or >> when I went into I asked if I should go into I was a dropout like I said because because of the so I was I I didn't keep siddha because I was already in working full-time on the sikas. So what happened was to go into the cable you needed a settle from that it wasn't very mental told me I'm going to give you a settle anyway that say should take me into when I went to I as if I should go to kaleb didn't answer me what was my shil my shil was because I didn't I didn't write it clear to the but my was that I go into I should stay in the even though so that was the premise of the sh didn't answer me so a m is grand hope say lane. That was the way I understood it. So, I never went into Ko >> straight to the >> I stayed with the >> to start what should be again. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. And the rebel no on he just started being mik there was killed on so that's when I started again working on the snow from to there's no halfick Can >> every single week? >> Every single week. >> The last >> that was the last one. Yeah. >> It was always interesting to me to look in. Sometimes you can see that the Reb references something in the that's touches upon some in that week's like some once in a while you see such things. >> Does that make sense? What >> sometimes in the fabangans you can see something that's connected to >> sometimes >> to to so very interesting thing the rebba has fabans every week there's new fabangans and there's a whole >> a separate a separate a separate line >> yeah it's like a separate line of the coming out also every week >> I think um that was also a every week there's there's from theb >> what can you tell me about the hashkar that you saw the putting into invaded. The reason why the stopped at the end of was because it was taking too much was taking too much time. You would be faded. The years that I was in Los Kadesh originally was very very very a lot of Hagore. You saw Bashmi I think it was much more than in the later years. I think after after the Reb stopped being mir twice to I think not 100% sure >> stopped being >> stopped twice only once I don't remember clear. So you're saying that it took it took uh it took took a lot of the's time. >> Yes, that's there's no question. >> And how how quickly would the like what was it say that how quickly did the was was the >> a lot of times they saw the taking taking it home at night and coming the next morning with the week. So he was up a whole night. I don't know how many hours >> there's a time >> in the later years whenever so they saw those were standing on that would come out in the middle of the night and put out in the middle of the night 2 in the morning we'll tell you >> yeah we had him on >> what >> he uh had him interview >> I think there was a time also my like onish I don't know if it was Mia the M he he he wrote a it wasn't on the M it was on the I believe the Reb said >> give me human >> about about making us human. >> Yeah. No, not about then. See what So here the whole see it says >> she's saying that was done on. >> So one of these herus. >> Mhm. forgot which one the reb sent out of >> after >> what >> after remember he was mug >> never happened before >> and I remember he was he was he was again so he told us stories then I remember he told us He he worked. He told us then about one time a countis came out aunt from aunt of my modem and the reb sent him to >> the printer >> the print for print but the kudum was weren't ready yet could have his hand on him >> yeah and The Reb told him to wait till he'll soon have the kitsum. The Reb gave him the kitsum. He said, the kitsum theb wrote his likebud, >> right? >> I remember he told us I remember clear. So those are >> he wasn't like he was he was such and his spiralist from the the sent out. So he told us >> so that's >> so he told us that the kitsurum the reb gave the ksurim it was typed but the hagos the rebba was m with you know added it and with >> was it was it written by theb >> I don't know I'm just saying this this is what I remember >> right >> was written by the I I think I heard people people people theorize that I don't know >> they theorize it but he said that whenever gave it to them to to bring to the printer the on it was like rewrote pieces >> besides the there was also sometimes that the asked certain to be prepared for right >> what I mean for example there's like a on >> like on an Indian like um about not getting operations before uh before Shabas. Yeah, >> it's it's in it's in the back, right? >> But it's not it's not just a regular format to look at. Is that something that the Reb asked the to prepare these type of things? A lot of those things were prepared for ham or hapard. >> So that was done by the vad. >> No reveal yourself a lot of used to prepare these things >> like in >> right or the >> mhm. >> So it was printed the first time in hapardis. Which had >> you say that you say this the big the haden the famous had >> the l I think >> but it was many years later >> many years later >> like me I think >> it was printed in me >> Mhm. But but it was no it was the first time it was it was it was in >> then. >> Yeah. Mhm. So that was uh so this this is a different Indian that wasn't that wasn't part of the vat. >> But there also >> I think the on the raam there's a whole story If I remember correctly, So he he he made an on the and he gave him to the >> on his own >> I think. He was a bak. He was a I don't know if he's I don't know exactly the issue a couple of times more than two times there's but then the rebels only revealed Sugi great the ones for Rambam. Here's the >> onib >> the beer and the ones. >> Not the whole thing. Not the one when was the first big. So then so we added the the piece on the end of the ram and the so we added that and the was then that's that's when the kus came out haden >> you also did some noi >> what >> then the kadi >> that was the only Yeah. I don't remember doing any other. Why did I do the I don't remember >> the famous the every >> Mhm. >> Why did you end up doing that? >> Why I end up do I don't remember. I don't remember how it happened. >> It's a hard >> maybe remembers. >> Okay, we'll have to ask him. >> What's interesting about is added him. But the main thing was on in the so wrote that that was the >> getting back to >> right and that and that's the m The said by the by the >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So the said that was the >> when the gave out the gave it out. >> Mhm. >> And with all the all the memor from the >> Mhm. >> It's in there. >> Yeah. So, um, was there anything you're able to see that invested into the Fabangans before? What is there? Or was there anything you're able to see like how the Reb invested into the Fabangans before before the Fabangans? something that you saw in the narat >> that you have to ask people who knew what was doing by the reb in the house on the simmon >> right okay so I want to ask you a question um a lot of people ask me this >> what a lot of people ask not me a lot of people ask what's the what's the I I I asked Leel Shapiro about this but what's the kadesh or yiddish and then then it changed. Was there any like I I I heard there was no from about it but was there >> wasn't they had there was a bush didn't understand there was a big a big demand. >> So therefore it got changed. >> Okay. So the the last thing I want to ask you about the is that a number of people told me that in the later years specifically I don't know nalif that you used to do and that a lot of people I interviewed somebody who bal didn't even speak English then but he went to your in English that was that that was the best. So, how how did that start? >> I don't know how it happened. I'll be honest with you. I don't remember how it happened. >> And specifically in English, like like >> I said, I don't remember how >> someone asked you. >> I forgot. I forgot how it happened. I have no idea. I don't remember these things. >> Okay. So, beside besides working on Besides working on, you also um did the every week. Okay. So I want I want to ask you um some personal things. So first of all moving away from the back to the other things. So you lived in 706 East Parkway. Yes. For many years. >> So I heard that uh there with the Revitson 706. >> You know the Reb was the Rebson was close with Rebson Rifken. You know that >> barriker. Yeah. He lived in the building. >> Belken lived in the building on my floor rather a few a few a few doors. So when when passed away and she was sitting Shiva the Rebbitz came to seven walked >> the Rebbitson. >> Oh the Davidson came >> the came to not the Reb the Rebbitson. I was punk walking out of the building and the reverson came. So she stopped me and she asked me if I know where where the rifkin's apartment is. >> You ever spoke to her before? Never. >> So I said and I went so I went into 706. I went with her in the elevator to the third floor and I and I showed her which door it is. That was the extent of the of the Mson after we got married got married in Kislv and remember was Shabas Khan. So, Lil Shabas. So, I So, we were going to 770 for Cababola Shabas. So, I was walking with my Revson out of 706 towards 770. It was very quiet. So, I don't know. And I don't know. I got the feel. So, I turned around. D was coming to show behind me. for he walked on the side. I think this that once our kids were playing in front of the house, >> front of the building >> in front of the building with a ball and someone threw the ball at us and was rolling on the street and the was coming to 770 and the stopped it with his foot. That's what she says. I don't remember the story. >> That mom stopped the ball. Um, >> okay. So 7:06 my bedroom my bed was to Eastern Parkway. So when the deb used to come we all had windows along Eastern Parkway. We also had windows on Brooklyn Avenue. So when the used to walk to 770 we could see the reba coming from Brooklyn Avenue and coming down Eastern Parkway. I remember my shri was once in the house with my aunt with her aunt with her sister Reson Gorellic they were in the house could be so the third her third sister was also there remember they were how they were running from the bedroom to the to the front of the house to see the reb going you know >> what I do remember is the famous shabas So >> second time. >> Yeah. The second after I was washed out. So So after used to come home. So I remember that chabas after. So I came home and I lie down. After an hour my window was open. I hear a big tuml. So I open the window. I say what's happening? So some was a says 770. I came in the middle by the time I came. So you're uh you lived hesh of 770 basically >> location location location we of English. >> Yeah. >> Um there's a there's a story something happened when um when was uh was not wellb. Yeah. >> Yeah. He once came to New York to Sloan to be in Sloan over here. He had to be here for Chavis. Well, pay there was an apartment. It was in the middle of the winter and there was wasn't proper heating in this apartment and he caught pneumonia and what with with the chemo so his body couldn't fight it. See, Mameish was like fell Mish into a coma. >> He's in Manhattan. >> What? >> He is in Crown Heights. He's in >> No, he was in Manhattan. >> He the first time they caught by him was many years earlier at that time. So, I wasn't I wasn't it was I wasn't even married then, you know. I don't know who went to the rebba his brothers sisters maybe and after that whatever we went >> you weren't married >> no I wasn't married >> okay >> this was way before I was married >> okay >> as a velomatess whatever >> okay >> we went over to the Reb. Then I think I went with >> You say when he was with pneumonia? >> Yeah, he went to the Reb. months later I went we went to visit him when he was already but he was home already for a short while. So he went home to visit him when he was home. So he told us then told us that when he was in that coma he felt like you know you have these after death experience >> out of body experience >> out of body you know you're falling into a a dark hole. He said he felt he was falling a fault on a fault. He saw the I forgot. He said the Reb told him and he woke up. Oh, he told us that was in Kis later. It was in Nissen. In the beginning of Nissen, he contracted menitis and he fell into another coma. The doctor told my get out of this coma. So again, we went over to the Reb again. The Reb gave this. >> Yeah. So we went for Pes to Pittsburgh. I remember I went out of we went we flew from Pes so I remember we we came to Pittsburgh. So someone had to say so in the hospital remember I brought the mat he had machinery you know he couldn't so I figured gave ma was I came to the second s I told him So I told him the second night I told him by me going to Shila how was I allowed to bring bring I had to carry the mat and the motor I ask him bring so on the spot he tells me This was after a comb getting up from a com this week on Thursday of >> and they went to you went to the before before And >> yeah, forgot the day before I was in New York before I my she used to write maybe hour on hour to the every hour and another settle. So she Remember I went over the answer >> to her? >> Yeah. >> Like what? >> Like whatever. I forgot already what the answer was. >> Too much. >> So I figure Where was this? This is >> I went after going back. >> And you said something to the >> I said something. I don't remember even what that no more show us. >> Then he passed away right afterwards. >> What? >> He passed away right afterwards. >> A day a day a day or two later. But the last the last answer for the Reb was to my was I remember we were sitting in the hospital and uh the blood pressure was going lower and lower. was exemp. >> Mhm. >> No, >> you had a >> You want your personal stuff? >> Yeah. But I have I have another one. You You had a story when your wife was go going into labor. >> What? >> With your wife going into into labor. >> Yeah. Shavasia. >> That's what happened. >> So she gave birth in my man in Borak. So Shabas morning it was so on the way to Crown Heights. There was such a know that if you had a baby on Shabas, you would tell the rabbit, right? >> Yeah. Sure. >> Yeah. >> So I thought, but this was my So I when I came to Eastern Park, I did it was coming down Brooklyn Avenue already on the way to SH. So I ran to 770. Now what happened was so Friday night she went into labor Tuesday or Wednesday and so going to and nothing was happening. So Friday night was really Friday night. So I told label He went in after might have and at the Mont Friday night. I came home an hour later. So he already went to the hospital. So Shabas morning I told the Reb got a maid. So the Reb asked right away if it was if it was a Syrian or not. >> Yeah. >> And the Reb said asked that question. >> Yeah. What was the deb used? >> I forgot. I have it written down somewhere. I forgot the word, but I forgot the said. Yes. And what was the name? >> What? Yes, I gave the name K. My malaba was sure I gave the name of whoever gave a name. >> Yeah. >> So you got a letter like that. >> Yeah. >> If you if you did after the reb you got >> what >> if you named after the you got you got uh yeah whatever I got. Yes. I got that. Yeah. Uhhuh. Okay. So I want to I just want to ask you um in the last uh few decades you also been very involved in and >> how did you get to that from >> Well, it started on the telephone after. >> Yeah. >> So then that's when the to make this on the telephone >> saying people we can't go teach them so we have to make a telephone >> we can't go can't go there person you know face to face so with a telephone >> hotline >> what >> hotline >> oh yeah whatever >> 7187357333 >> yeah so so there was a vod you know to take care of it reveal the letter to the rebba Riel signed it. Barry Weineberg and Bor spoke about so somehow I became involved in managing the thing. >> The project. >> What? >> The project. >> The whole project. Yeah. The rebroki pony the mitsus was there was no one person whose money on top of it. So it started me gimmal but after 3 years it mama frizzled out. There was no money for the telephones. There were 100 lines 100 telephone lines and had to pay people to run it whatever. There was no money. So I took it over. You had time. >> I did whatever I could, but I found guilt. >> This is before. >> This is me. >> She's starting to fund raise now. >> Started to fund raise. >> Okay. >> So, first I found someone who who undertook to pay the telephone bills. I thought the 100 lines I forgot how much it was a month or divided into dividing is each one to give at central from the remember I needed $12,000 >> a year >> no for the to pay the >> there was a of $12,000 6,000 was for the telephone company another 6,000 was for the other hate source. Rabiel Gashaf Susan Dolan forgot his name. A younger man can't remember his name. >> An Yeahad. But but the real asked him to give money. He gave money. So, so after so on telephone was reun rejuvenated at that time it worked on a tape recorder. Tape recorders you put in a tape had a system where the tape recorders was able to connect to the telephone lines. But then it came I forgot which year it was me. You know me. >> Eastern Parkway. >> What? >> From Eastern Parkway. >> Yeah. Then he lived in Montgomery Street. So we used to go to the country together. So one tells me you know label nowadays you can make this whole thing computerized. I said good. He says so he wrote a program. This is ready to basim a computer price program where you can you can he wrote it and we had to buy hardware and software. Then it was it was the thing then to make cost about was about a $36,000 project. I won't tell you how much it costs today. >> I'll give you an example. >> Today, a telephone line doesn't cost anything. >> I'll tell you what what the hardware cost. >> That time we wanted to put in all of Rubio. So, you needed a hard drive that I forgot how many megabytes you need. How many gigabytes you needed? Four gigabytes. four a hard drive with four gigabytes cost $8,000 then that was the I remember four gigabytes we had to get a hard drive of 4 gigabytes $8,000 we had to pay for it today you buy a gigabyte of >> for nothing yeah although it's going up now by the way >> it's going back uphon but Yosel Gut think gave a big swarm of money >> for that. >> And so so so we had the computerized system. So from the telephone which was made specially so from that >> in bar park >> mhm >> and now there's other it became a whole model >> and that's also why I started doing >> what was the idea of doing it was a person can sit in his house. So is basically having someone teach you look at the >> what >> it's having someone teach you look at the >> You shouldn't have to come walk into a into the into the center to hear the you can sit at home and learn. >> Yeah. >> The light to help me. So they came up with this concept >> and that's the same thing with the Tanya that >> once after. So then we went into Tanya after we finished with if we went into so there was a demand to make on the same style >> and has become a major major tool of but also for foratanas for ourselves too saying >> I wasn't meant for it but >> I had a mashia that taught us like mifa already then came out some of them he told us officially it's for I'm telling you it's for you guys too like you could benefit from it also >> the side benefits >> okay so I always have there's a famous brings it in no The mind of from the Mhm. from the was for a vacation. Oh, there's a house. I have to eat. >> That's the same thing with that. I don't put any labels anywhere. >> Okay. I want to Mosquito.