Ep. 47: What We Saw Was Only Half The Story with Rabbi Yosef Gopin

I want to tell you many for bringers. We saw the river coming in 277 for bringers and the Gishmag was there to people like us. the general idea people felt to us. >> This episode is dedicated dedicated by her family. In addition, this episode is sponsored by Mah. Stay tuned later in the episode to learn more about the new wedding hall packages provided by Mahn Israel. I'm Yasi Cayman. Welcome to among an ongoing faban about life as our vibrant connection with the Reb and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day. >> Good morning Rabbi Ginam. How are you? >> Okay. Thank you so much for making the time on a busy shabas to have this conversation. Let's talk a little bit about and where came from. Maybe you can tell me a little bit about your parents where where they came from when you were born. The kulu. >> Okay. First of all, thank you for giving me the opportunity and think of Shabas is a special time. We can talk better maybe more. This the shabas is almost here. Anyway about me, my name is Gopin from Farabad. I was born to my parents and my mother Soropinazim from Farabad Eden the Jewish people but they came from means the founders of Farabad and the founders of many of the Farabad Moises and um and they were very very influential in Farabad and made a quite an impact on many of the the of the residents of Farabad. In many ways they came from Russia. They were born already after the revolution when there when the communists were trying to cross shishkite. And my mother was in a smallettle called Carvich in Ukraine. in the small state was a little bit easier to to grow up as kinder because the the communist did not have such interest in the small places and she grew up in a very little town and home and a big family a big a big family my mother's family is the Shapiro family they live there in this little And she was there for the first 18 years of her life. She was in the called Kvich and then she moved to Lenigrad where she find my father. My father came from Kharkov right after mitzvah at that time told my father his place is inim at that time was not a big is small branches >> but he wasn't from >> it was of course my I'm sorry my za was a tommy him and my elid mena but he was uncle to all the lips and a to all the gopians. It was working always reminded me that he remembers as a young ber in Loavich the way my grand my great-grandfather used to come to the rebab and but kas he was pushing and fighting me to bo a very good place to listen to kas and he came to rebab and looked for a host for his uh for for his daughter Ba and uh happened and then they moved to they lived other places but the main thing what I want to talk about is when they alter told by my father your place is not in in you have to go and there was small little groups like cells of of tanas in different cities is in different parts of Russia. Am I right? >> What year what years are you talking about? at 1932 1932 333 and he went to Bardichv at that time had inichev my father was there then they they it's a whole story where they went from city to city to city and and by the end was they came to Guzia to the city of Kayis in So was a small group of kabat families, the lipskers, the manins, the perloves and they hosted the bohim and in in inas Georgia was much easier the way because the theim strong believers and they helped and they supported and bel we know that Stalin was a little bit afraid from the g from the Georgian Jews from the Gian Grus Gusian Eden because he himself was he was therefore >> he didn't want to stand up with them. >> He didn't want to start with them. Therefore it was that a little bit easier and after my father's group other groups came till towards the end of the world war II there was a yeshiva there in Gusia. My father was a he was a heman and besides being a bohi he helped out me the administration to get money to take to find food to find and my father's cabarian were mishomin kimarosovv rail pasner niss pinson they were together this group were together many years together with nesh of course that bond them together anyway Hey, when there came time they need money, they had to travel from Gusette to Lenigrad because at that time Lenigrad was a big center of Kabat Kasidim and they all were good business business people. My father came he didn't know anybody but was told to go to Mochkin. Repair was Elder Hassidim in Lenigra at the time. He organized he organized a big fundraiser and my father made a big money to travel in those days a whole week train ride from Lenea to Gusia to have thousands of rubles under his belly was very dangerous and my father had a beard already. It was a it was a suspect and on the train you have to dive in and you have to other things to do. My father went once and twice and one of his trips when he arrived to Lenigrad this story we did not hear from him my father never spoke but Rasinabad Rasin's brother two older brothers told us the story my father's sh my father arrived one time from from Guzia to Lenigrad and he came to the shul he saw two bokiml uh teenagers not inhib my father found out that is they're asking boys asking two older brothers my father went to their father and he told them what boim doing if take to yeshiva my father told no you must take them and he worked on him and he agreed to send the two boys to the yeshiva in lengra in Gusia they told the story to us they were first time on a train they were afraid from everybody there that some birds growing up and my father looked like aid and my father ded on the train rushing and and one day the train stopped for a day my father went to look for a mikvah and they were out of their mind they were afraid but then they went to the yeshiva and they spent many years these two boys became a light in that Okay. My father came back to Gus to Lenigrad to reach Sadd was was the balcon told him we're trying to expand the yes is yeshiva there's more there and they want them to travel to summer camp to see if it's possible to find a place the bo can come there. My father traveled, spent the whole summer and they're going to make it happen and didn't happen right away. My father went move went back and the war happened >> there. So there was already in >> there was there was there was no was some not only was there was they had connection to the to the fake to the connection of a and um when the war broke out in Ladyrad to Shin Alf My father was already married and they knew the Nazis are the Germans are coming closer to Lenigrad and my father decided to travel to Samarant and he not only by himself he made a big campaign in Lenigrad to travel and many went to Len to Samaran because of my father but we sitting Shiva for my father in chronites a few ladies are mish Po came to talk to us and they're telling a very special weather about my father was invalu on the way to summer and he told the ran away the Nazis are moving fast where to go to summer go to summer is the mincish there the Mishka, the mishp, the mishp all decided to leave. And a very short time after that keeper toshin base the Nazis already arrived to Khark and they wiped out the Jewish community. My father was was came to came to Samarant and he was man to get me whole title in his role in his role leav shber's father and this is a lot of stories there we'll skip it and my father ran away from summer after the war with all the before everybody went he went on his own before they had the organized trains called the shalons. My father in the in the summer of Shinv went uh to lodge for lodge to to pocking >> with the same thing with the forge of the Polish passports. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But he wasn't he did it by himself, not to a group. My father, my zeta, my uncle, my two uncles and my own my my my brother Zalman and my older sister, they were little kids. They came and when they arrived to Poking, Davidson Khana was there and she was a very special lady. The way she greeted them, she welcomed them. She knew what was it to escape Russia to come to to come out of Russia. She was very close to my mother to my father and she remembered my sister very well. And my father came to the rabbit of Shinhov Seder was she remembered them. You saying later if you remember. Yeah. >> Is about 60 years later my father came to the reb that time the seder was theim the guest came for this role was a seder order who goes when they go organized or to go to visit the groups. A father comes in, the rabbitson remembered him and the rabbitson asked him, "How's your daughter Raisel doing?" But she remembers when they arrived to poking, she was not feeling well. She remembered it. That kind of person she was. Anyway, my parents came to Paris for Kabad and they start my father became the >> When were you born? >> I was born in Kabad. Bahammed. >> Mhm. >> And um Bahabad was a time a small little village with with no electricity. >> When when did your parents arrived to >> they were from the early the early established it? They were there. >> Yeah. The first and they were very active in settling farabad and organizing it and making it as we know it today. and the top started and the mukar to run it. And they they asked my father to become the man and he worked many years in the great difficult times. There was no money was was a lot of talidim. There was no facilities. But my father starts from scratch to build together with and became a melt till the time till a time came when the my father left mafer and other people took it over and a short time after he took over almost became obsolete for many reasons but my father and my mother were very active in Farabad. They were prominent members of the ofabad. They were they were not only would have a wonderful mishar is the kids special but also they had a very big influence on many young families or or even older families families came from Russia. Not all of them had the opportunity had the opportunity to uh go to Ishiba and to go to places. Some of families were simpler families. And my father was very very very active in helping those who did not go to those who did not go to but they were my father many of them employed them in. And he was always looking out for others. Anyway, now growing up in Forabad physically for Kabad was very poor. The homes where we lived in an Arabic homes, no electricity, no hot water, everything was very very primitive. But as children growing for Kabad, you grew up as happy children. was I remember the very light and was a very we saw we saw aides I've not only heard about we saw it. >> Could you tell me a little bit more about the >> a lot of but give an example. There was a there was a there was a I give an example for Kabad Chabis. After after the meeting is was over, many kept sitting in the corners of the shelite el sitting and dubbing as I said from who went home Who did that time was a lot of elderim was was a he was gashmed's father was for example another one was there Gabriel Kagan he was the kabad he was le kaleki's grandfather real shabz and old there was there was was you saw the people leaving and learning Friday night in sharing was after nobody was rushing to Marley was up she the same thing this morning in addition was by themselves the same shabas morning was he came to show this morning was a big sh and the many or the other smaller groups was aid was like that was the life there was a the seder that their seder of and then the kushim and was because they drove it was not much for bison there but I said for hours and people talked to each other and inspired each And it was a very as kids watching it watching the the vim kite the closeness to each other was a very made a very big impression is one of this was a kabad was a then we went as kids the shabad and only till 8th grade they have to go to ludifa or eighth grade and higher. It was a couple in Ludish in Lud was also a wonderful ishiv and the part at that time we had wonderful Minishurim and Mashim. But then we came to Kabad to the Zal and I want to say coming into Kabad was a wonderful was maybe 150 200 BI maybe there end of Zion the was packed was everybody said and learn kept people kept story and was very strong learning. In addition to that was a mashia had the power to create an atmosphere in his of dabing behaving his kafia. He will speak about it every day every day for the whole z for 45 minutes and of course what was bring every day and everybody stayed there is if you want or don't want he created that the ru of ding of it was a very it was the reason such an impact was a very varid. He was he was very enthusiastic. He was full of energy. When he spoke, you could see he means it. And beside the point, the respect because you look at him. What was he say? He went to the mikvah 5:30 in the morning. Then he went home. He came to the yeshiva 7 in the morning and give every morning then he stayed in then he went to his room upstairs every day to 1 2:00 every single day when you see a man doing it every day when I came to it was 72 years old and still doing it you cannot it's real was very real it And therefore people listen to him because you know he means it. He's fabian and he's and he and he and he called boim privately myself. He called me over many many times and he gave me a very hard time. He demanded he pushed me and do this and that and and that's the way he became close to the boim. The booker felt the he was involved personally in >> personally with many many bokim and he felt a boher as potential or a boker as a problem and at the same time there were a lot of American bim there English bohim but they many of they maybe didn't understand exactly what stands for what is demanding nevertheless he find a way to call them over to speak to them on their level. You find today English B American BIM they have tremendous memories of what they remember if I bring I'm not sure they got but he called them over and he gave them little on their level I want to say the farabad itself was a wonderful place >> so you stayed there till till you went for >> is I didn't know I go before kutz I went on my own >> okay So I want to ask you before that. So obviously something brought you to go before to to go to the >> what was the um what was >> okay? Let me say so let me let me say time something else we're very far from 770 almost did not come my did not come they came very late and when I come late hard to learn something came is a boat was a tremendous sim but the boim to the sim were talking about Especially came from 770 the came is they're telling us stories about the fabian about this about what's going on came from the rebim came back they were had such a demon to go back you could see in Um they felt they left they left the mockery. My brother Alman was a sherv was a good cover of mine. He was older than me but he was telling me stories about bringing somebody and they tremendous young. What was the goal? They go to the Rebe came the second time from the Reb and was a wasra to him and they for bringing us and it was very good and they pushed me to go to the Reb to go before earlier but I was able to amen to manage something to go on my own and to be able to stay to stay there unlimited. it. >> How do you do that? >> This is too private to talk about it. And uh anyway, I did it. And uh but also something else as children come from 770 or came back from Tish. They were telling us about the Reb on the first charter to the Rebad inabad was a was a was also a doitory with a lot of outside kids from Tel Aviv from Ben learning and and together was listening to the stories is of the light coming back from the Reb describing kids by the Reb describes as little kids. You have no idea what he did to us. What did us young age? always wanted to be there and during the years or came told this and told stories. Give over give over to the Reb. The Reb was demanding people come back from the Reb to give over the Fabrangans and we were listening to them. But the tapes came in from the Fabransians. We listen tapes was just unbelievable. to the Reb's cold thebas the Reb is sminging and always by the big fabians the Reb is always awaring like this I want to go back for a moment in Kabad M was the Kabad he ran for many many years and the Tamote had a dotory building. When they came to Kabad, they found a structure unfinished where the Arabs started. My Z built a building of Shiny Bitory there. He my bo were running the the my boy ran the kitchen and the dotory and my was the hiring teachers and and he ran anyway when I'm saying all of it when he has come to a point is a unbelievable thing when I came to the river I walked into I walked into the river Many people ask the question, what did you feel? What did you feel? I I felt nothing. I know what to feel. I know what I see. What I know this the Reb I'm here finish. So I feel I didn't look for feelings. That's didn't matter to me. I know I'm right here. the Reb. I came and now is the time to be here to do what I have to do to be the Reb and to the Fabbrans and to learn the Fabrans and to the Fabian Hlin Co. We were together there. and they came before me with the previous but together with bringing together and it was a very very this didn't matter one thing I want to tell you was a wonderful place but it come to the rebabad I forgot about it I became all of a sudden in compare what's going on here seeing the reb every Shabasians just singbas was was a different world. A different world is all the gillim all theish and all the sides and all the adro and all the ru and all the ash what we heading for kabad became pale when we saw the ems from the reb it's not only the emb just being the rebbrangians and just being with the reb was not just talking was an absolute absolute MS the is speaking but it's not to have to learn we have to understand they have to believe the feeling was that's is it that's the way the reboke just and just being with the reb came tish rebas and rebes that was totally out of the world make us look to think did we have a a before coming to the Reb. I remember gets up and said, "How could we even think was not just a was a different world picked up people like us simple people that picked us up and what put us in to another world not only for bring just being there by regular upstairs in sh comes in and the rebik checked out who is there looked around very quick inspection and we're trying to hide from the reb shouldn't see me was there was but just unbelievable just being there being in that room in the reb It made I want to make us forget about not just forget like we felt that he existed before. You cannot cannot imagine. He cannot imagine if somebody can come and tell you let me describe to you. He doesn't know he's talking about it. Impossible. Some come to describe the conference. Impossible. You can tell this or that, but there's no way to describe it. I remember the group of said and this and came to the Reb was a was a different different this is I will say I will I will try to say the report describes in my was that was happen that was that I didn't I felt I felt something totally out of this world is absolute heaven's face look by night to 770 a Friday nighting was a face a different pony a different pony different face a different face Friday night bal was a different face by the rebal Friday night to 770 it was like we could see the reb is not there when they walk downstairs the reb downstairs something Friday night The way they were walked, it was like not here a regular Friday night. Shashana was what it means. I cannot explain to but I know was not there was a different he was whatever is whatever was what he really he is a ter story happened was Friday night rash and the bokarim like to stay close to the reb but it feels rash and happened to be was young and aggressive and and energetic. I stand up in front of the Reb and they say the words come in say and then start all of a sudden we hear somebody screaming from the Bible from the woman's gallery. Somebody is screaming. Somebody is screaming. And then another person in few seconds the whole vibration was screaming. They stopped it stopped the couple of shabers and all the young men ran upstairs and they stopped the minion and the reb was saying that time was no bead. That was on the floor. That was staying on the floor with the with with his face. Misra and the Reb after 10 minutes or more Reb turns around around D finished why don't you d the screaming and the yelling they didn't hear it doesn't need a cousin It was you you could see it. So everything that was described to you inabadb was much more when you actually experienced it. 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Another I remember was very small crowd was still in camp in the country was very small crowd if I bring it was very close to the rebalite staying next to the reb First going to stay like it's not just that made such impression on me. I never heard about it but nobody spoke about it. I saw Isaac Gandle Springer at the time made a big impression. But anyway, let's go to that's was Yeah, go ahead. >> So you went you had when you came in the beginning. >> No, I had Mr. Shod and uh was a very um again people asking what did you feel nothing came the Reb and my first was very special as a this age trying to become mench and they feel this opportunity to but the Reb can I write a lot to the Reb might settle the Reb answered me every line I wrote every paragraph every every al B gimbled event to my seder and he gave me very very amable stuff and there but I don't want to talk about it now >> is any is any of it you can share But the main thing is we'll talk about time I don't want to but very very very good very good that was I could see coming in he doesn't know he does not know what's happening with him let this let me straighten them out that was the feeling interesting the next year went to I went to every year my letters and different different questions different issues But I wrote something. I wrote something. He might settle something I wrote the year before. Now the Reb starts the my answer me. It did not go according to my order to my savior. There was like a a Indian and all the all the questions were answered in that Indian and there was called never finished they never were tells me you wrote this and this we spoke to you about it last year you didn't remember >> I sure remember they answered me everything but I wanted to I needed murder and the Reb told me we spoke about last year >> and the told me you remember you remember I talked to you. Yes. No. The Reb said no the Reb repeated not only the same idea not only the same words the same Ning I was thinking the put a tape on from last year. You know what was by the from there was one of the most stormy years by the rebiim the ceasefire on canal Russian Russian demonstrations was a very very stormy like this that year took the whole world into his hands that was challenging the whole help the fri and was not only to the to to the to his government to the f and not only to the mavdal to the that me to the to the zionist religion to the fur there was they were attacking everybody in the year was that ear was and how many people came through a young buckle comes in doesn't forget it. But I felt the time. It's not that loves me, never cares for us. I realize is is not a meeting. The Reb is the Reb totally involved in it. It's totally you coming into the Reb give you answer. I give you an answer. last year. Look at look safe here and there. No, everybody didn't take a chance. I could see the is something doesn't exist anywhere cannot exist. something a totally different world. What you asked to the Reb never took it never took it into himself and was there forever. That was my feeling. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And was I I tell you something. I want to say Yosu. I didn't share this with for many years with nobody lately. I became more confident in myself. I share it but they didn't because there was something and and there was a very very I just I tell you my father came for here my father and I shared this story with my father my father tells me I'm not impressed A good person. A person depends. A person depends on a good even world. Everybody gave me a lesson at night about this. >> What's the lesson? And we saw a lot of things a lot of things we saw answered you what he answered you what he didn't answer you when you walked in you could not hide from the anything but the couldn't pretend he know what answer you he know what you need and he knew what you really Or you wrote something just by >> how do you know what to write? You spoke to Mashia about it. >> What's what's right? >> What to write in the title. >> Uh unfortunately I didn't speak to I I wrote things on my chest. I wrote thing what I struggled with. I wrote things I feel I needed. I need help in it. And the Reb was a different approach and sometime the Reb added to the previous year added and some was when somebody added something totally different what he didn't even ask what revenue you should ask. He gave me something something about something I didn't ask. I didn't ask. I didn't feel it. I asked him what I feel I need, what I'm struggling with. I'm dealing with what? Yes. One time told me didn't even ask for it. And I felt like you didn't ask me, but you should do it. The approach to us was not what we think we are what we are capable. He talked us way he thinks we are capable things we can really do everybody not rely on us what we think what I can I cannot times he told me certain thing what and the is what I sayians It's not it was such a gishmakers. Yes. But that was not the whole thing. The fab walked into faba sometimes was you see it's coming from you could see it's coming from different place. Rabbi Simpson told a story. He was he was the head of head of the mashiach. He was he was going to the few times what to do, what not to do, how to do and list who going to honor. If you watch or you listen to the tape, he was in Gansson. The Reb kept correcting him when he called the people. He was and people are surprised. was at least was what happened to him? He told he told his he walked into the Reb's room to pick up the secretaria to bring him downstairs. He walked into the certain the was going behind him with the boxer. He told his 8:00, "If you know what happened in the Reb's room before he came downstairs, you you would not be surprised. I was I want to tell you many for bringers. We saw they were coming in 273 for bringing us And the gishmag was the comes to who people like us the general idea people felt to us. Give an example. was shabas. The next shab shab shaped him a surprise for bring I was looking up what's going on in 770 every after people surprise bring everybody the excitement was unbelievable who was there what was means there is coming down to us. Everybody felt it. The special Gishmak I remember wasn't the Gishm Russian was very interesting that was not the Gishmak spoke this the before the mime whatever the Russian by Russian was the feeling we are is teaching little children he spoke our language then we explained the rash We as the Russian way he tried to answer this way and that way the language of the Reb was like a closeness people with for that reason the closest to us you could see people The feeling was for bringing something with the hand like this kinder. The hand was a different kind of different seing. But there was a because we all knew there was when he came from a different place alto together and that was that listenaber I fears you were not a little bit bored was such a gish be there such a bring just be the we couldn't get enough of it. 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Karen Aamesh K E R E N H A C H O M- S.org was on a plane not long ago versus ro and across the aisle I can see this and I could see little bit of the bitter gazer looking at each other he looks at me I look at him hasty tell me his his name or I asked him you are if you're from this Shiva yes one of my cousins was teaching Yurish Shiva oh which I told that's your cousin I know him I know his father and it's matter Rabbi Mandel from Shiva Brooklyn was teller Telzer Talmid and my cousin Berl Shapi was teaching there many years and he tells me that Shiva The Reb told him to stay my yes is yeshiva not to go away. They felt about proof he said we start talking a long ride long flight and I I told her about about his but gifted we talk about a lot of things we talk I told you people make decisions about the rebels is no we know there's a big go we know it a big go everyone say few point ses he's much older than me ask you do you remember the six day war of course I remember it do you remember the pad am two weeks before the war of course I remember what happened like bamer a week before the war in 770 the reb got up in front of thousand people thousand Jews like be parade And he spoke me such a chlorite. It's such a big that the mat in that soul is going to be not to be afraid. It's going to be good mat. That mat will bring am to a higher place than ever. A week later we saw it happening. When the reboke obvious spoke I told him it's not screamed. He could see the reb felt the pain of amal the worry and said they were screaming and I told don't believe it there's a video from it and I told him like this you remember of course started to lame was in America many rabbis big rebs and many here the saw a situation endangering amb was a voice in a desert by midbar alone where the whole world oh my worried for the whole world and it didn't stop for years and years and years and not you you guys told you you guys not only didn't help if you guys were interrupting interfering and sabotaging the effort there was a cl asked me never came to the to the never came to the on the daily ro so why should I ever go there one reason what's happening the in the in this what's good for us for us don't they want to waste this time into people about the how to get more money from Washington you know there was als said there I want to tell him I want to describe to you the best you know the from Islc describe it to the best of my ability he became so bottle so if you would be the reb you'll be the reb We departed best friends. The deal was I'm going to come to America, back to America. We're going to meet this, but never happened. I didn't have time. And he I don't know. I'm not sure he's alive or not. Is that's his a few months ago. Important to know I have a friend in Kronite, a successful businessman, very quiet man and one time I come uh I met him wants to talk to me. One of his friends is one of the big uh personalities in the Froom world in Brooklyn. a very known guy, influential person but a man with a bit lot of respect and certain fashions about him today but those not there's not anything I didn't want to touch the word msiach but I could see that where it's coming that's my friend have very serious people when it coming the way we look at the okay what's going on here I told you I'll write you something said >> your your friend was coming to you was what what to say to him >> what say to him I wrote him I wrote down a whole letter I sent it to him she'll give I told him like this very simple thing and it's important to know where we coming from coming from is growing up in growing up said memorial caring for element we looking for kabad making big to invite more they carefully go to the ma road go everywhere to help in and was pushing And there was other people pushing for for their community that was for and for them not just is nephesh what's happening in Australia in Morocco in Tunisia in Paris in London and they're hiding stuff in Russia in those days we all knew rabbit's connections in Russia and with absolut it's not Obviously, you know, I have money, I have a good mind, I can give ideas, I'm a good marketing, I can do this. Absolutely. So, never been anything like it. That's is for Mashiach. Mashiach Hashem is a Msiah for everybody. didn't exist ever in history of the world of this of the Jewish people this this kind of and not just let's do it's a good thing to do why not there are people doing a lot of good things how long it's going fine forget about it they did not stop to do more and more and more and more and building and building where it's coming. This is a mashia hashem. It's young age growing up around the what do we what did we see besides seebim looked at and the demanded to be like him. Get out with me. There was no money available. There was nothing available. They made money to spend to send gave money to. But that feeling of absolute guide first of all that itself inspired a generation and still inspiring generations of people to go to as are you wondering why looking the rebem that we grew up in it. Not you grew up in it. That what we saw >> reality when the brothers every letter sending letters for bringing sending pushing in every opportunity again my daughter my sister she's a nine years older than me. She was a young girl in Farabad in Farabadab was no high school for girls at that time. It was two options. A modern school in Tel Aviv, high school for girls school in a dome in a letter came from the Reb to send kids to the do invar was like in those is like in New York today different world far away the conditions of dotory and there my my sister was a rushing young little girl with the mother you know my father gain some some didn't my my sister when the reb heard she's going I saw the letter then got the letter to my father and to her again this and then the reb writes a in her letter to her there's a girl from Holland there a girl moved from Holland in Bak please here and beazak here every opportunity a little girl and I'm sure you saw the huh >> yeah that little girl is went to seminary in B about 14 fifth year old girl going to seminary in in Baku there was there's another girl from Holland there please every opportunity there was so the world everybody when I came to heart for I do a small little here it's it doesn't exist anymore stable local survivors. I came to Schulmer guy. He sees me. He runs over to me. Yeah. My name didn't know Gopin. He told me my what's my name is Yosul Shyberger. Yo Shburger was defeated. He was the master of fores and there was a known name I think it was a brother-in-law from Amaroy. I think if I'm not mistaken he was a father to the Heritzel family. Okay. Became very friendly in Shabas. What was he doing? He want to spend chasm on the brim. And he didn't tell it to me. He had to impress me. He's an older guy. My young young guy came. I was I was 25 years old altern guy. But they say he said it. They did things. They trusted the Reb. You know it was the Reb for them too. Years later I'm coming into West Hartford and I see it look like a P. I don't know what he doing there was he sees me comes over to me basket. I told my name he knew my name. You know, it was my brother Zalman's wife was Mishb. He tells me, "Let's go outside for a walk." He said I'm aimer and I want to go to business is a group of other asked me to take become an asan to help meas all kind of things said we need a person like you and I accepted And I did tremendous thing I'm still doing. I used to go to the Reb. The Rebe guided me every little thing. I love and he start crying. He was crying. I love her. I miss the Reb. Then he tells me, you know what happened a few days ago? Somebody brought me a tape from the Reb saying the guy was crying to suburbs. He was crying to see the Reb saying like this. The point I want to bring out here the rebas reach not the reb commitment dedication to Amy's role was to everybody we don't see it anywhere you know we don't see like this people cannot do it it's not a nor it's not a natural thing it's not it's But it's not human people. I like this one like that one. But the the the including and the being part of everybody not something what is and that and that that is going on forever and ever. You think where it's coming? where it's coming to go to go when I went to was almost didn't make any sense to come to community. Nobody wants you. Nobody knows you. Nobody cares for you. And not want people say, "But get the hell out of here. Who needs you here?" And we went we didn't care what people think about us. We had no money. We had nothing. I think we are social. That is the Reb. The Reb gave us the amun the gay. Don't worry. Gay. Huh? What? It's not us. But we are the to build that level. I met a hab of mine in those days. He tells me you know what it's suicidal tells me to go place no money with no language. >> He told you then >> that time >> you didn't speak English. I just I spoke enough to to get money what I needed. Anyway, the point I'm saying to you that is to go places like this. You think it's coming from and that's the idea of royal the gave us of order to the record of the is for order and that's that is this that's a mime for after order the is not to tell us hey there used to be Russia and give us for now in future what's have to go that's coming from the Reb. >> One of the integral components of being aim and whether it's or these days give us an opportunity to connect with our to connect with each other and be better. What is the story behind each of these days? How did the Reb commemorate and celebrate these days? And most importantly, what are the lessons, the takeaways, and the action items needed for each of these days? All of this and much, much more are answered in the new set recently published by our days is a journey through the Kabad calendar in story, meaning, and practice with over 700 beautiful glossy pages with elevated content. Beautiful, beautiful photographs. You, your family and friends will enjoy and live with each. This book is a must for every labamature home, for every schul, for every school. It is a perfect gift item. This will not collect dust. It will be used day after day, month after month, year after year. You can have the set. Go to.org/ourdays. Order your set today and start living with okay for uh I don't know what you call it or I want to I want to ask you a little bit just to backtrack a little bit about your personal experience. So I know that the lids you already mentioned briefly there was a lot happening and protest in Russia. Um what would you say are notable? You already mentioned the um what are other notable events or that transpired in your years in 770 that you would want to talk about? First of all, Mashia was u it was so big we really did not want to interpret it. What's going on here? One one thing I can tell you the alum saw it as something out of this world but the messiah selling the selling people should buy letters and then the bring 130f inv for breaking it and seems if it did there was a big excitement building up to it. Thursday is the night the the the came from that stroll. The whole plane came for that role came old and young sitting because a big big group came for for the Reb did not go home and waited till the comes when the ka came the called in Simpson and told him to announce that tomorrow won't tell the Simpson for bringing it. You have no idea what happened in 770 is upstairs at time that was to hear these words instruction said they were involved. smaller and they went to the rabbi they give them the brother all the but what happened special the but again as I described to you before face walking begin to be to the to to the visian with the box the reb's face was never saw anything like it sat down the special theious from the reb's voice there was was such a such a and he me so it was so emotional the reb Just listen to the tape the base saying it and then Axel seems and I think one of the biggest nissive was so the biggest Niss was that people remain standing on their places. There were so many warnings before that warning people should not move. People shall not stay in one place and people didn't move. People stay the place the whole thing. It was a very the sim for know about it was a lot of him but people know about nothing what they can add interesting happened what shabasan of shabas shabas and the big fabri would say shabas don't mind if that downstairs and then I went upstairs. I was still staying there. I shortly my come with another seafarator. Then we come from his room with a seafarator put it in put it in the in the room in upstairs. What was it from? Where was this? Was no discussion. No discussion about it. Nothing. A similar two thing happened. I remember All of a sudden I see Gardetski is coming and I see the Pinson family is coming. All the Shia P is coming and I see his sister-in-law is coming and I feel something happening. Something going on is showing up. Get away. No should stay here. And he said, "Everybody go downstairs." Where is this? All of a sudden I see on the on the beans thereinsky is name the camera and all of a sudden the comes up and but the was called the time fisher. It was a oval. He was staying by themed turns around and he said and yelled out. >> Then we find out brought from Tunisia to deliver. Yeah. It was the first article in that I personally worked on was uh we had a thing describing a picture. So I found we found it's a picture that's around but there was two I spoke to people that knew this says either it's tough or it's the thing with tunis and I had to figure out which one it was. I was able to figure it out. I saw you could see the clock in the picture so you can see what time it is >> for five five o'clock. >> Yeah. So based on I don't remember the time but based on the I was able to figure out the campus must be the >> was right was for shabas I was there and then that is >> now but a big thing was that is you a lot spoke about it Uhim I'm not going to give you I can I saw it there was a a big alum big alum came the first time a big alum came but people didn't come there many years came was a big was that for that time was the biggest gathering for big and it was all >> that okay that That's it. At that time there was a was there was there if I bring the whole night till 6:00 in the morning not bring and but to make it nervous is put next to him label Rasin and Ahmed Sudak sitt next Rabbi Rabbi Abram he was sending >> I can't remember >> I can't remember it I didn't pay attention maybe I said this and was sitting across our table the whole night. Listen every night instruction 24 hours such a special time like out of this world b I was a little bit older >> now Listen, I live without Islam at base. I was older already. I was more I was almost many more years since 770 and was a was a big before that people took up and this and that. It was a very building up there was a very the whole from till this people were doing things and say was a big event when I want to say something that Gabri was a different a different look. That's a different look of them. Such a power. Somebody from the city comes to me and he asked me if I was there. Of course I was there. What was the feeling? So gallos face was shining. He feels he feels this was then a few years ago. So what he saying that what that's what he wanted to see was nobody needed but nobody was looking for it was so looked like They didn't they will feel not comfortable they have to come. He was never was So so beautiful. So of course was given a similar thing. Let me just tell you bring him a few minutes late. Listen to the tape. Reb came in five minutes late and the Reb gave the reason why he came late. He said the we sentim to the s canal and we were waiting for them to come back to our report and then said did not cry but voice was breaking down but the kids from the beginning there was a many structures that seek After seven asking the ning was going on almost an I never saw anything like it. Rebbit the tape. Listen to the tape. The tape could not handle the noise. The rebbit didn't stop emitting this adora full cup to everybody. Zelix walked over to the Reb to was for 45 minutes an hour was unresolved. I never saw not before not after was going on and it's didn't go sat in the corner there the right corner was there was there was there bench bring it up a big cup of wine. Cup of wine. That kind of feeling was at night. I was a young so so clear. Let me ask you um you mentioned that in those years started speaking about about the crown heights all of these I guess that's when it really started that talking about in the world what what how did you you elaborate on what it meant for the to hear the spoke the most of them would out of pain we saw There is pain. The scales later I was I was walking with alter. It was the time very much we and he asked me a question. What new question? What was the secret? What got out of it? I gave the answer just now. So to care for that whatever spoke about usually what's came spoke the the Many many times in this Z was there talk about the and that led into this was but the saw is Rashi Can I go to sleep right now? Let me lie down. Expression this and that. That's my answer to you. I can see that the place where the always discusses these call the first it's in the um and also those years you were by the upstairs also I was by the last the last not the last Nobody's going to the sederb come to the sed we're sitting in the farat building on Kingston Avenue came to the boim the goes back to his make said I was see another another make a s next door I'm sitting here me decided to make see quickly. We sneaked out. We came there. The door was locked. >> Huh? >> Who's your mush perman door is locked? particular person is going going from upstairs downstairs get get away from here it's not for you we stay there and another book came and he came stay with us feature ven three of us there all of a sudden the previous rebu nurse maniac is going from upstairs downstairs from third floor to second floor is okay We came in, we're afraid to get in. We stay by the door, but we're afraid that they will see us. We stay by the door, but watching from the door, watching the door to the door to the to the of this dining room. But little by little got courage, we got closer. ever saw the reb to tell you the truth was my first time there but the rebad there I was more uh focused on on the closer on the reb itself not so much on I didn't I look at the reb there was more said this or that I didn't look at the the exactly just sobb But they see him and they look I look at but just speaking the sitting there say there there was the was it was was the first night that was very quiet all night very very quiet actually was like to himself and uh by the end of the day there the wait because the cost in the battle battle for the cause because shalo nobody was what I didn't know what I was doing And I walked out in the pro station. Towards the end of the sed more people came or boim came and walked out the remnants raises walking out from the seder to his room was like most of the b staying downstairs in the great and I was going down the steps was uh Uh so she's coming out. >> Okay. So you were in 77 you said for 5 years. >> Yeah. >> So what happened by your by your anything to share from that? We got engaged to la and uh my wife was at that time at the seminary in in Paris Kabat seminary for girls. We came to the we came after we got engaged. We want to get married before Pes and come back after Pes here to go to the K and start the next year to to get a job for teaching. And told us no to make the to make the wedding in Tamos to know my wife finished the school year in Paris. Made the way in Tamos before or after. Then tells me tells us The reb was pushing as soon as possible. >> The boys want to make it shorter. Yeah. >> El saw later on say the was in we got married in Tamos. you was in a lot of things would be different things what's going to happen you can't share what is >> anybody I was in the time start to grow and came to nobody approached me. Nobody came to me. I speak English and I'm I didn't experience I have any getting offers. I get no offer. I was not worried. I got some offers but uh a stroll there's a cover of mine and it just started out in in Ammerst. He needed help. to build Ammerst and Z was a good friend of mine. As Z told his soul, I'm the right person and and I and I'm very grateful to his role giving me the opportunity to go and we went to I told this role that I cannot see myself on my life working with students in Ammerst and I wanted to after a couple help you to be established. I'll move to Hartford. That that was the agreement. There was the and then what happened was there I wrote there other things also other things not so to go to Australia was Australia or Ammers told me so mock ai to go to a place according to their estimation they'll be more successful went to and I think I love that very much with the students but I know it's not I and I came to Harford and I mean the rest is history >> whether he died from the you got in your in uh in Harford was not personal stuff but there is one I what I can tell you one thing I realized how much appreciate you write to the very very often and as detailed as possible. At the time when I wrote of very often and very detailed, I got more response from the Reb and the Reb answered me. Most of us constantly But I would rather think with the shford but this is not maybe one time will speak about it. >> Mhm. Okay. So what what uh when I understand that coming to Harford then and today there's a big difference in the influence of in the city. So how would you would describe in a few paragraphs what has happened from when you came till now? >> When I came to Hartford I was the first full beard in Hartford nobody knew what Kabad is all about it. Nobody care about Kabad. Nobody liked Kabad. Even the orthrax community was not welcoming. The least I can say and the establishment was try to do whatever I can to send you back to New York. The question was asked, "Who sent you here? Why do you come here?" I told him, "Thank God they didn't ask you to come here. Reb sent me was a lot of resentment and talking about difficult times in the beginning. Of course was no money was it was very difficult to be in a community to feel the community is hostile. the establishment and there were other movements other institutions the more progressive looked at me as a enemy to them I didn't care this was very I didn't I didn't I know that's the that's all what we did and we did and we did we did shooting we did camp and we did the campus we we kept doing polas after polas and with time people realized that it's not there was no magic here and big to make to make a mean with the purim to make a big purim to make example we had in a purim I could do with the a small tiny purim I decided shabas purim I rent a hole a big hole north synagogue a big hole rented And I announced going to be a royal purim party with a band free refreshment home salads. At that time 500 people came the first pim and we did year after year and came big events and we I think we did things we did things today. I look back how did you have the courage to do that? We brought tail of a kan event over 2,000 people showed up. We made event after event kept and of course uh little little by little people start to think differently about kabad. the original uh the original the original establishment. Thank god of most of them are really passed away but it was there's some remnants left. I didn't pay attention to them and they they don't like me too bad. I didn't go to them. I didn't bother them. for listen after 11 years in Hartford. We made a kanuka of of a most modern fancy building in the heart of the community. I want to tell I look back when I got the idea to have the the courage. Thank God we had Chase. >> You lived in he lived in Hartford. He was very very helpful to helpful to us. And I want to just tell you one thing about David Chase was a big supporter of Rabbi Har. Rabbi Harrison educated him and they made him a reb today without we have today 12 kabaras surround And I think I'm telling you one thing it's like that little story happened to me and there was organization at time what ma was organizing called the seed program they did it here in Hartford one year two years and then start to fade fade away. The head guy came from New York to make a to make a rabbis all the older test was the older rabbis here. How we can save it is I asked the head of New York guy, literature guy, tell me what is the outcome of this program after that and he tells me unfortunately not too much. He asked me do you have any idea if learnas will inspire them. There were four older rabbis in town. One of them was it victord older rabbi local survivor and he gets up say rabbi go you shouldn't speak because your success is not you it's your reb tells me in front of everybody and that's what that's what he saw that's I want to finish with one point about was a very stormy in the in the aspect of the beginning of the tanks mitz thanks made a very Extreme New York. Extreme New York. Of course, positive. But the reb knew that tanks is a different schlav a different style from the time was a different world a different and knew was going to be the reaction but is the full force tank and there was if I bring it the land I was of course that that caused the article particular a rabbi to write a very negative article about it and the Reb came out very strong against that article. A few weeks later was a situation that the Israeli leader mention names please was in Israel in Manhattan at a very special fundraiser. I prophesied for the Misrai party but a particular person was asked what's he said in Europe we fought and now we're going to fight was I was in already I see it that's what and youth around between the andl I see a particular guy he was the treasurer of the party it was at that event was very close to the reb was by Mina and called him in it was a long time in the rebu Gamber front headline. Front head for the front page headline. Namir. But this what the guy said front the front front page headline and we know the Reb told him to do it right but I know told that's I know about at the time I know but is the article the article in for now this guy was became alab and the Reb but was was a very was a very uh serious time in 770. People didn't feel but we know about it. It was side effects. So they think also some people did stupid things. We know it's a tough time addressed it via I know that after we know but that was a big after and then the middle of mises came to the reb We would build and build gifts. A gift to the Reb. The M was the Reb was sitting there. And after came to the there was a couple everybody. It was 45 minutes to an hour. I was sitting there and like was going around the mic but the bring that very famous video there was he could see was going on the worldto Gish was dancing a video was dancing a video. One of the secret was a lot of people came to him. Dignitaries came, mayors and senators came. At the time the Yahas the relation at Israel America was very tense very tense that the big disagreement about the Israelis pulling out of parts of the T canal. President was pressuring Israel to move far away didn't want to go and he said no more weapons made the embargo. My dad Fabrangi was a guy named Joseph Joseph Jakov. He was the head of the security of the defense delegation very close to the rebs over to the reb. Look who's behind you. Congress people, senators, we are in trouble with America. Please say a few words. But it's Israel. about the moral obligation for American support Israel. Beautiful. A tiny country in a sea of of go with a a jungle. The only democratic democratic country is Israel. They share the same values, same principles. The next day we were standing outside. We see Niss Mindel walks out from the room. He turns to us. Does anybody has a cup of this? So he typed say yes. Can I get it? The right brought it to him. It translate to English and that see entered the congregational record and that see made a big impact in Washington. Yosi, I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity of Shabas 12 and a half hours is a long time and God shall help. There should be no more interviews. The should come back of mamesh take us out of gles and uh bring the gulish of mamesh. We cannot do it anymore. And you'll see when the come back how many people will be there waiting for the reb and embracing the whole rebal. Millions of Jews were waiting today. Let's hope and let's pray it's going to happen. It's good and