Ep. 43: A Yud Aleph Nissan Farbrengen with Rabbi Shais Taub

So it's not that that Eba has this incredible beakus and he's the answer man. You can ask him any question and he can pull out an answer. Not the point. Point is that anybody can ask the Rebbit, hey this is what's going on in my life and that Abbott cares and has insight. Like that's the mind-blowing thing. This episode is brought to you by Mah Israel as comes and we prepare to write pan to the reba. There's another integral component to pan which is called dean. If you want to learn more about what this is, stay tuned later in the episode. I'm Yasi Cayman. Welcome to among by an ongoing faban about life as aid. Our vibrant connection with theb and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day. How are you? >> I was waiting to hear those magic words. You're famous for it. >> Okay, you got it. >> Okay. Do you really want to know how I am >> or formality? >> The short version. Yeah, >> short version. Okay. I'm thrilled to be here talking with you. I was wondering when my chance would come. >> Okay. >> So much I've been holding back and I've been waiting for some Pearson rein. >> Exactly. Okay. So, thank you so much. And we're actually sitting in uh in your studio. >> Yes. Yes. But >> so, thank you for hosting. >> This is not my podcast. This is your podcast. >> Okay. Excellent. >> I'm your guest. >> So, this is a special recording and a special podcast that we're doing. that's going to be released on. So that's when people are listening to this >> and is obviously a day when everyone is looking to connect to the I think that's what we'll talk about. >> Okay. >> And I would like to begin. I know there's a >> you don't always talk about connecting to the Reba. What else do you talk about? >> Yeah. But you know now we're actually addressing addressing it >> how to do it. Yeah. Um there's a special project that you have been involved in and working on and teaching which is I think I believe it's called 30 letters 30 days. >> 30 letters in 30 days. Yeah. >> Which is about learning the Reb is which is obviously >> we're talking about the Reb. Let's talk about Yeah. >> I think let's talk about that. >> Yeah. Okay. So first of all 30 days there's a concept of right concept 30 days before any you start to prep for the yumpt. So uh you don't just go in and expect uh everything's going to happen automatically. You have to put in your work. So we came up with this concept a number of years ago to prepare properly for Yudolf Nissen. Now, when it comes to Yudolf Nissen, we know that Abbe expressed pretty clearly what his wishes were as far as birthday gifts, um, gifts of Torah, Torah study. So, any any Torah is beautiful. You can learn a mimer, you can learn a maka, but obviously learning the ebisa itself has a special, a special importance. And then I had a an agenda which was specifically learning the egress because I felt that it was something that had been undervalued people of course the whole world knows about the world I mean thank God today I'm saying today um because in the past maybe people knew more about other aspects of the um Israelis um even even mim miracles today is very wellknown obviously could he be even more wellknown but mostly the what I felt was undervalued and underrecognized was the egress as a form of actual learning. Um, I mean, you you get around, you talk to a lot of people. Have you found that to be the case? You told me before we started that you're going to be quiet and ask me questions, and I warned you, I'm going to get you to say interesting stuff. What have you found? Do you find that people are aware that egress is a real serious liode? Something to learn. >> You might be I think you're right. Generally, it's not seen that way. Could be uh the circles that I hung out in that wasn't there was an emphasis on that. I mean I personally have read many many many you know Allah say actually whenever I bring people to the that's what I do with them before we go we want to learn something from the that's what I always learn I always I learn a letter from the always >> any letter or you have certain letters you like to go to >> no anything >> it's beautiful yeah um when I started 30 letters in 30 days there were people and I mean like we're like what are you going to learn what are you going to shalom Brooklyn, New York like what what are you going to cuz they're thinking of it like unfortunately like um a formality kind of like okay like you read the letter under the you read the letter right it's it's a which by the way even those letters it's not just a everything there is exact and precise but there's a special connection to the Reb's worldview that really in some ways you can only get the egress. What I mean by by that is this in the you see lus you see the is depth as far as Torah scholarship mym is obviously more pine the the theidis you know the the mystical concept and every everything that teaches always is you know Everything is practical. But in egress, you actually see the practical. Like you see the practical on a whole other level because that I was writing to a real person with a real situation that I was spelling it out how it's going to look in this person's life. And it's the same rabbi. It's the same who says that my but now you're seeing how that rabbi spells it out and applies it to a real person's situation. And there's something really really powerful in that um the the spoke about about um the go right it takes 40 years till you really learn what the master was talking about and the rabbi made several about that but uh one of the is what does it mean he stands up, he becomes sufficient. He becomes u not just repeating words that he heard, but he can pick it up and run with it. Also in in a similar vein, uh dtoy, it's not just the deis. It's not just, oh, what was the dev's opinion about this? What was the dev's opinion about that? Dtoy means the same mind, the same worldview that arrived at this concept. You can use to understand all concepts. So if the goal of aud not not just to know what the Reba said but to understand the how did the Reb arrive at it. What are the values that the Rebba is teaching us as tools to apply to understanding different situations? If it's not just about knowing didba said this said that and you which is very important obviously having uh familiar familiarity with the with the different subjects that spoke about and when spoke about and the one of the things deer does beautifully by the way I mean does many things beautifully one of the things I love about deer is charting the historically the the evolution of a concept that's one of the things I love where it'll show like how the debate took a theme and developed it over years like I love that Um, but when when you see it in a letter to a person about a life, a woman who's a mother with children or a a teacher who's working with with with youth or like a a businessman who's worried about he's not going to have food to feed his family and you someone who's getting going in for an operation like real life issues. all of that approach that that that sug the the the way of looking at life how to look at something how to approach something and you're seeing it in real life that's when for me at least it becomes so real and uh yeah that's to me one of the things about Igorus that makes the connection to the deba through to obviously the famous uh letter The Reb said that the theash is through limit right what's the that uh isash right the great yearning forash maybe we have to back up and say how do you get the chuka okay but let's say that you do have the chuk that you can't satiate it except by learning >> the tyra right so the ikar is causes through but yeah the egress is a is a whole other level. Yeah. >> What I think you're saying I understand is that >> in general people have a dilemma in life or they're trying to figure out what should what the next move should be. >> Yeah. >> Something like that. So people might be in the dark like what would the Reb tell them? >> Right. Right. Now if you're educated and you educate yourself through the stud and specifically through the >> you're able to approach many things in life and by the way advise others but the rebas look right >> at things and and it's not one letter it's something you picked up over many letters that you learned >> correct >> and that's something that you're talking about that's something that you can gain >> in the and specifically through that that that type of clarity >> right how would the look at something meaning not theoretically how I based on what the Reba taught what the Reba put out there and you're only getting that through the learning of the >> and I I don't think a lot of people know also that it was the Reb himself who pushed >> so actually >> people don't know yet I mean people know about this but there will be a future podcast where I interviewed Rabbi 11 >> oh wow >> and in that interview he spells out and talks about specifically how the instructed him to publish It was not his idea. He had no he had never thought of doing that. he was doing the previous he thought you know they're printing what does that have to do with what his work with he did on the previous and it came straight from the >> right >> the sent him a stack of letters start with this see if there's anything to print and that's how the whole project began >> right >> and there's also a story I don't know if it's a true story apparently asked if people are learning it you familiar with >> I heard the story yeah but yeah if if they're learning the the right >> and I think it was growner right is that is that correct >> it could also I heard something Rabbi Simpson was was involved. >> You said the story in a speech in San, >> correct? Yeah. That I told the Reba that in Morristown there's a >> Ferris, >> right? Right. In Ferris, there was a save at which let's just pause here a second between you and me. I mean, nobody's listening to this, I'm sure. Right. But the fact that that EB is asking, are people learning? And the one report is that they're learning in one yeshiva. I mean it's I don't want to you know say negative but >> and what did the say >> the said >> remind me >> I remember correctly the fact that the bak are doing it. Okay. But what about the >> huh right? So clearly it was the said right there that it wasn't enough. >> Correct. >> Yep. Yeah. But you know it's never too late and we could always catch up. That's one of the things you learn from the neb that uh even if you messed up in the past don't don't wallow in that just get to work and do it do things right in the future. >> So what are you doing now? So you're learning the what is this project? >> So we learn a letter every night 30 letters in 30 days like that's what the name is that's what we do. Um how did we pick them? We're you know what there was a whole big discussion when we started the first year. here I should when I say we I mean Ley Shamp West Bloomfield who was the main push and he's someone who went through the entire egress. I'm not saying he's the only one who's ever gone through but he made a CM recently on the whole egress. Um, and we had a discussion, should we try to pick like famous letters, let's say letters to famous people, letters that bring out like a really big what we would consider a big idea in the Debb's worldview. And the conclusion was, no, let's not try to pick big letters. Let's just go through a year because the letters are chronological. Pause for a second. I just want to say why they're chronological because this also adds to what we were saying before that the is the one who initiated and pushed continued pushing pushing urging urging more should come out. Um when Rabbi 11 I don't know if you asked him this question or if he brought this up but when he asked the how should we organize the egos? Should we do it thematically or should we do it chronologically? Did you speak about that with him? >> Right. So the told him whatever can come out faster. Right. >> So he said chronological is easier to do I guess because it's like simpler. You already have just go in order. thematically you gotta you know I guess there's more uh shikoladas there's more organization that takes place but at any rate so it's all chronological so what happens is you're getting a year and we're going in order so you know you start in tish you go to and you're going through a year um what happens is you get a slice of life so some letters are famous like we already have picked out the letters we're going through so for instance the letter that we're going to finish off the 30th letter Anov Nissen. >> Any Nissen, right? And we're going to do an event in the Soul Words House. Uh our our opening event of the Soulwards House was a year ago. Anyudison was the 30th letter of last year's 30 letters. So doing the same thing again this year. This year the the 30th letter happens to be um from the same we've been going through a letter that wrote which happens to be a famous letter to the president of Israel. Right. So that's famous because that's the giving a very >> the unusual glimpse. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like started to take form in my mind. But that's uh that's that's famous because first of all it's unusual that I was giving such a personal glimpse into his personal life. Um, it's famous because it's it's a very strong Mashiach and it's also emotionally very compelling to be I'm going to thank Hashem for all >> and it's the famous person >> and it's a famous person. There's a lot about it that's famous but that's not what we're doing. We're doing it because we're just going through that volume. But the point is when you go through a volume and you're going through the year and some letters are to famous people uh some letters are to people who like we had a letter a few nights ago to Eleazar Steinman. Now, to me, I'm an American boy. That's not a famous name. But anyone who's Israeli, he's one of like the big authors of modern Hebrew and he was a very influential person and uh you know, so he's a famous person. Then there are letters to like just bakim like like can you imagine that some bakr is struggling with keeping sedar and he's writing to the nasiad and he's getting an answer like to me that itself is mind-blowing. >> I've been reading a lot of the English letters recently which is a whole another world. >> Yes. >> We don't really do the English letters because we're going through egress. >> Right. I happen to be doing >> but I love English letters >> and you see the same recipient getting letters continuously >> and they're very I mean they're about they're trivial I mean we don't call trivial >> I mean I mean they're things that the guy could have asked as Mashia >> right right >> and the Reb is having a whole correspondence and guiding this guy you know through you know yeshiva through through through whatever it is and it's just fascinating to see yeah they know how they're doing that >> and also I I want to just bring this out because I tried to bring it out on my on my live stream and I don't know if it if I made the point that I was trying to make. I think some people misunderstood it. I think they were getting for me the opposite of I was trying to say letters to women, not just to women, adult women, but girls, single girls, like a girl who's who's who's teaching. I don't know how old she was, if she was 18, 19, 20, whatever. The point is who else in the history of the Jewish people was what I mean even setting aside all the way you know like I'm just saying spending time in correspondence with literally everyone like to to the point where some single girl is asking advice about her teaching job and she's getting like lengthy answers. I I'll tell you something. This is an okay this appears. I have to be very careful how I say this. I was once speaking to a young lady, a single girl from a I I mean I can I can I guess I can say from a Litfisha background and very very intelligent, very well read. She had she was not ignorant about Labavich. She she had done her research. She said to me, she said, "I saw a thing from Hashem. Bothered me. It said something about take the kids make make the deba proud. Give the deba na something like that. So she says this is very weird to me because these kids are all born after 1994. you know, they were born after Gimmel Thomas and you're telling them that they should these kids should have like a feeling of some type of a relationship with the where like they're they're trying to make the deba proud. Like make your mommy proud, make your tati proud, make your teacher proud, the proud. So she said, "That's weird to me. I'm just telling you it's weird to me." So, she says, um, like for instance, I believe, and here's where I'm going to be super careful, so and so is the gutador. She named a particular figure who I think many, many, many people would agree would give him that title, Galador. Like, that's not the controversial part. I believe so and so is the galor. And this was a living person. It's a living person at the time. She says, "I don't think he knows who I am. I don't think he cares who I am. And I would certainly not be motivated if someone told me to do something because it'll make him happy. I really don't think he's keeping track of what I do." I don't remember what I answered her. I remember afterwards unpacking that because it it affected me very very deeply. It was like it was like a reality check. It was a reminder of something that we take for granted cuz for you and me the means I mean what's what what's right like the head of the body and it feels even what's going on in the toe and like for us what's the definition who who who's the right who is the leader of is the one who's connected to every even even children everybody Right. And she's coming to me and she's got an entirely different definition of of the gula to the extent that that's not even part of his requirements. >> It's not even and then I was thinking to myself like then what makes like it's so funny. is like shows my my bias here because I'm thinking to myself I actually have to stop and think to myself why is she calling this particular person God when she not only is she saying he doesn't know me HE DOESN'T EVEN CARE TO KNOW ME AND THAT SHE freely bestows upon him the title of God so I realized that the the the distinction that by them or maybe by most of the the Torah world The gut is defined by what he knows. The guy who knows the most, he's the gut. He knows the most. So it's defined by what he knows and by us glo is defined by who he knows. It's that he knows every yid. He cares about every that's the completely different definition. But getting back to so it's not that the has this incredible and he's the answer man. You can ask him any question. He can pull out an answer. Not the point. Point is that anybody can ask the Rebbit, hey, this is what's going on in my life and the Reb cares and has insight. Like that's the mind-blowing thing that the Reb is answering people and he has what to answer and and and he's relating to them and he's he's pushing them but he's also encouraging them and he's he's gentle but he's firm. It's like, you know, like the the the classic discussion, you know, if you had a Fabang and maybe this is not a 3:00 a.m. conversation, but more like a 1:00 a.m. conversation. You know, there's levels like >> 9:00 p.m. which you don't you probably Yeah, you skip that. You don't show up for the 9:00 p.m. That's thing. Get the formal, you know, formalities out of the way. Now 11 p.m. you might get like a little bit of And then 1:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m. Okay. So, this is like a 1 a.m. discussion like Melik or Tat right au right is aid avid or Ben you know like talks about um and you know obviously like like every discussion in you know there's there's truth in both but melik means you know, his nasus, he's up there on his throne and he's running the whole mala. He's got this massive operation, the whole weight of the world on his shoulders. And that's all true, right? And that's there's a certain hispilus you can have just thinking about that, right? But then there's there's there's the Reb as a caring father who knows about your life, wants to hear about your life. To me, the craziest thing in the Holy Ghus, and it's in probably thousands of times, and every time I see it, it blows my mind is the Reb is not only telling people, I'm happy to have received, right? Normally, it's pleasant for me to receive your letter cuz I'm like every time I have a new email pop up, like, please, I I have 20,000 unread email. Don't not only is that, but the but the Reb is saying, why don't you write me more, >> right? It's been so long. I'm thinking to myself, Rabbi, please. They might take you seriously. They're going to bother you. Like, don't ask. But the Reb's like, "No, I want to hear from you more." That's the wild thing. At one time I was at a shabraas of a relative, not Labavich. There was a Shabraas in Manhattan, Carl Bakshaw. This is 25 years ago. I I wasn't married. I was still a Baka. So, this is 26 years ago. Remember, I took the subway. I was in 770. I took the subway from Crown Heights. I went to Manhattan and the Shvabra was for my for my cousin. So I was the only labature there and there was a guy an older guy who was older then. This is in the '9s. He was, you know, older then. I don't know if he's still with us, but he turns to me and he says to me, "Your labavature?" I was the only laber there. So he says, "I want to tell you something. I used to have you with quite often." He says, "I used to do business in Jamaica and uh whenever by the way I told this story once at a gim Thomas Fabrean and the Schlik there in Jamaica now Rasin said he was driving and he heard this like punked right at that moment. He said he was like going to some far-flung place and he was like this I don't have time for this and then he heard that and he's like ah I got to go. Okay. >> So um the guy's telling me yeah I used to have a lot of because I would go to Jamaica on business. This is in like in the 50s. And whenever I would come back, if I would come to 770, I would say I have reports about the Jewish community. Who's the Jewish community in Jamaica? Maybe 150 200 yen who were a lot of them intermarried, very assimilated. It wasn't like uh you know, very I mean I I don't know how to say it in a nice way, so I just won't say it, but you can imagine the situation there. So he said he would come back from Jamaica and he would report what's going on with the Jews there and that I would always like fasttrack him in. And I said, so I said to him, now I look back how silly this was. I said to him and I said, "You're not a labometer. So why did you go to the lab to tell the Neba about these things?" He looks at me like shocked. Then he laughs. And he says, "Who else would care?" And I stop and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, that's right." Like, "Who else would care?" Like you going to go to some Russ Shiva and be like, "I I need to tell you about 150 intermarried people in the Caribbean." Like this this is what you have to tell me. Like we're running a shiva over here, right? The reality check. It's a reminder. >> Yeah. It reminds you that there's a group of the famous group of that used to be they became >> right >> in the mess. So I heard from one of I didn't hear from them. This is secondhand but someone told me that he heard from one of them that after the whole controversy and after he became many years later you know after his father says about I was in with like what you never told me that that after all these years like yeah what do you mean we we all everyone needs to go in the youth like like who who like who cares who who would care who don't want to see us like >> I just met Someone uh someone in Stanford just told me that his father and the Yuds was with a bunch of literatur. They came to New York. They went to the start. He said they just just to speak to learning >> I mean took them. I just want to say that though that you know back to the point about that uh that that person that was comparing that you know the >> that girl >> yeah that girl yeah so first of all there's a talks about what's the difference between the rash and the ra before before the rash was eleant and was eleant and now >> and now we're not alone I think it's that I think that's that concept that there's a there's a connection >> right >> between and But also um that that point of that connection that uh that the Reba has with the people. So there's this conversation that you speak to people that were you know in the mems and they'll tell you that there was a there's a question that some people would ask they were considered like would ask does the Reb know me? >> Right? It was a whole dilemma. >> How could you even was growing and there weren't like this that stopped there weren't letters like this and and there's a much bigger crowd and that became a dilemma. Does the Reba know me? That was like today we talk about how can we connect to the Reb after so then there those that liked asking questions said how can we connect to the Reba >> but the whole the whole question is assuming that the Reba has to have this personal connection with you and and you know that's a foreign concept to someone else >> but but >> you're saying that even asking that question shows that that's part of your assumption of course >> of what is what is >> but it but it is interesting to me that the there was a shift. First of all, you know, afterba spoke about what to do when you can't ask thebum, >> right? >> That's um but there's also there's a says why is everyone looking to ask questions? The like pushed back a little bit on that. I think in the later years says that you know you go to the on video you go to the to ask what to ask >> so like the pushed back on that a little bit and I'm wondering if that connects to our time today. I don't know what what do you think about that? >> But yeah well you know asking questions just to ask. So every I think every teacher, every educator has this frustration. It's like you're asking questions just cuz you want to have a question, right? But there's something in the egress you seek fairly often. We had it twice in the past uh the 30 letters in 30 days that we're doing. It's a gum from Roshash. It's a mistim about the shape of the so one says you should have a straighter. One says you have you should have bent straight shows you straightening your ways. bent shows you're subjugating your yourself to Hashem. So one says the straight one should be Roshashana, the curved one should be kipper, the other one says curved and Roshashana straight on. But the the the lion there is called the malit whatever straight goes better and the immediate context there is talking about the shape of a or the or even if you say it's not talking about literally about a I mean it's also talking literally about a but it's speaking about in terms of avoid you're saying what should be the approach on but the generalizes it and says it's it's a it's a it's a general rule like basically that if you're trying to figure out how to live, what to do, you're doubtful, you have questions, call whatever's simpler, just simplify it. Don't complicate, keep it simple. And it and it's not that, you know, we're not thoughtful people. It's one of thoughtful people and we learn and we think And but that's about thinking about Hashem to deepen our connection to Hashem when it comes to life. Don't make problems. Just look in front of you, you know, see what you need to do and just do it and and don't complicate it by by by wondering should you be doing something different and just do the thing in front of you. Repetition, routine. Um, so I I think that maybe that's a little bit of what that is like. Why are you making up questions? Why are you trying to make yourself confused? >> Yeah. But I think it also highlights what the first point that you're saying. what >> to learn the rebba published the I think the rebba wants to build a world view based on the based on the >> yeah no question >> that that's I think that's the message that's really the message over here >> well there's a certain assumption that has that have a certain amount of clarity you're not just aid in that you know I don't know whatever else you're learn how to think like a there's a certain worldview. So it's not just my modem and it's it's a it's day-to-day life. There's a certain way of thinking. So yeah, there will be questions and like you say, you know, there was that tufa where the deb started speaking about if you need guidance and a har um that was, you know, a big thing. But just connecting that also with Igris, he mentioned I don't know if Rab 11 told you this, but he said a speech in 770 that was at the sem of one of the Kokim. I don't remember which one it was, but I believe that following that speech, the Reb asked put a ma in the olive. No, I'm not remembering that. He he he was putting a m >> he he wrote Yeah. for the earlier and because there was more like history that was context like historical context then after you start getting the first few years of the nas like he didn't feel there was new historical context to give so he stopped writing the m the the called it the the intro and then he gave this certain speech in 770 and the told him you should write the m again um and so he put that speech into the m what did he say he said he said something that if he had said it on his own it would still But you would say who knows. But the fact that this became the mo of now it has like canonical uh verification validation. He said of art like this that just like okay so first of all the said you should have a mishia but also in conjunction with that the is putting out the why because just like the alterb wrote and he writes 11 haven't told you this >> he didn't say it but it's printed in his book this just like the had and he writes writes in the purpose of the T. You don't have to wonder why he wrote the book. He tells you why he wrote it. He says that these are the conversations that I've had with people in it's not shy that I should have everyone come to me one-on-one. He says, "First of all, people forget what I told them. So, you know, I'm telling them multiple times. Um, but now we're going to record it. And if you're not able to figure out where to find your answer, every answer is in here. If you don't know, you ask your local Mashbia. He's going to help you to find it. So Rabbi 11 said just like the alterb had the Reb has the igress. Now again if if said that on his own initiative there would still be Gishmak and it would be something worthy of repeating the fact that it is in the m of the Reb's egress with the Rebot. You know the Reb accepted this concept that the egress are the Reb's Tanya. How many people know that that the ego that is I I don't think that's known. I think people are we allowed to talk we can we be real here >> you can edit it out if it's going to work. >> I think a lot of people know about randomly opening a page and I don't I don't have an opinion on it honestly. Um randomly opening a page in order to get an answer. We don't have to guess why the wanted eager printed. The Debb was very vocal about it. First of all, we don't have to guess if the deba wanted the the printed. The deba was the one who made the whole thing happen. But secondly, we don't have to guess why the deba wanted it. The deba wanted us to learn it. What does learning it mean? It means and I want to be careful how I say this, you know, and all those things. And if that's how somebody wants to. But how about this? How about this? The Reb gave us a window how to look at almost every practical issue that a person could face in life at every phase of life and gave us hundreds of examples of each of these things whether it's making a living or it's health or it's raising kids or it's or it's marriage or or spiritual issues or whatever it is. And if you'll just learn these letters, it will train you how to think. Just like if you'll learn enough of like niglas, let's say, I'll give an example. If you learn 20 rashi, it'll change the way you learn kumashi. There's no question, right? You'll you'll maybe you won't be an expert in the methodology, although that wanted that. that every would always ask where are the where are the the the articles from like I'm teaching you the like in fact the I I saw at least a few times where said last week I taught a certain cl and then this week it came up in and I thought I would have pouring in people found you finding that and asking that question nobody did it so that I was like I'm teaching a methodology over here what you think you're just supposed to memorize what I what what I said don't tell me what I said I know what I said use the methodology to to figure out things that I didn't say. So even if you learn Rashi, you will look at Rashi completely differently. You will learn because you you you oh what what's bothering Rashi here? What what is he answering? Why is he saying why is he mentioning the the why is he using those words particularly? Why does he say um the name of of the the Tana or whatever the different things you learn from the Reb's call? Well, would you think that aid should say I don't know how to learnish the way the way that taught but I can repeat to you rash I would say that's beautiful but you think you think you've gone all the way with it right so to simplify it it's not just what did the rebba say it's how did the say it. It's not just the what. Don't just repeat to me what the Reba said. Tell me how did the Reba say it. And I don't and by that I don't just mean the the the the sign the the the tone which also I'm saying that as well. But I'm saying like the process how did the arrive at it? You don't think you can learn a You don't think that has a distinct learnable in and day-to-day life? I mean, it's very open and charted and and and everything you can look up sources to make it so simple. I mean everything is so just systemized in order to learn how to approach learning and life and anything else that could come up. There's a way to look at it as informed by the Debb's approach. As we're getting ready for I know most of us will be writing a pan to the Reba. I want to mention something that's a big part of this process but that sometimes is forgotten and that is the dean the money that we give with the pan. If you're wondering why we give money with a pan we can actually find the explanation in the explains that our livelihood our is where our energy is invested as he refers to it. When we give the mayan, we're giving a piece of our physical essence. That's what creates the vessel and the kali to receive the braus and this connection and his we're asking for in our pan. It's a longstanding tradition from the times of the by giving this sedaka together with our pan. We're making the request real in the physical world. So when you send your pan this year, make sure to include the may pan. You can do this through magbus.org or after clicking on the tab for the May pan which ensures that these funds will go to the same place that the Reba will deposit the money that he received in the Panim which is the Reb's institutions. It's a small step that makes a huge difference in how we prepare for Can I Is it considered on the podcast is it considered um good content when the guest complains about something because people like >> is it controversial? I don't know if it's controversial or not. >> Let's try it. Okay, let's find out afterwards. >> Okay. I think a lot of times that we I'm including myself here. Sometimes because of I I'll say alias because of our reverence for the Reb and every holy word that the Reb said, sometimes we become intellectually lazy. In other words, we're satisfied just to quote. Here's what the deba said. But the deba wasn't asking to be quoted. The was teaching you how to think, >> how to apply it. >> How to apply it. And also how to be mad. Mhadesh is not a dirty word. We think of it. We we laugh. Oh, you have a what you have. Whatever wanted should be created. I I I I'll sure you know this story, but I heard it directly from Rabbi Shapiro from from Miami. He said when he was a Bakar, he went to a Utasis Fabangin in Boston and Rabbi Salvetic was there at that time and he said that the Rav spoke for I think he said he spoke for two hours like his dasha was like two hours and then afterwards they sat down to Fabang and they wrote up a bum. So he was a label shifer was a bach at the time to ro and uh salvic was very into I was saying brisk into raam especially and so the reb was saying at those times about uh and so he wrote in the that the the bahim spoke with talking about JB Solvich about uh the uh about the the about chova and get us a chva. So the rebro wrote back on the you've heard this before. >> No. >> Okay. So wrote back on on the you can ask him ra for the exact lo something like certainly they didn't just do do back and forth only content that was already given in the in the um but their own their own concepts. Okay, pause. A baker first of all just to think that a baker even a talented bakar a future rashiva should speak in front of you know JB Salvich like you know like you'd have the confidence to speak to to hold your own to speak in learning that that's that's that's already a da but the dba is saying I hope you didn't just kaz my my myas I hope you said your your your own ideas I think I'm uh I think I recently I spoke for a few minutes and someone came over to me and said it's a very good it was amazing sound exactly what you know like it was perfect. I told him yeah that's because I didn't make it up. >> Okay. >> I was repeating something I listened to in Okay, that's safe. >> You're saying it's not that's not >> No, it's good. It's good. That's the beginning. There's this there's this concept I think I mentioned it on one of the podcasts that I think it was a thing from previous generations they would say there's like idea there's like a longing or like a a strive that is supposed to have to know the think accurately. >> Yeah. I think what I think what it means is first of all have the knowledge but like you're saying to to know how to apply it to every scenario and how to maneuver that how how that applies to the particular situation with you're dealing with which cannot always be quoted you know the need it needs it needs to be uh applied to the situation. You met a younger manaviche younger man who told you um listening to the news I'm here what's going on atro and um let's take like a real slam dunk easy one um but I don't know what the deb would say about land for peace. You'd be shocked, right? Like why would you be shocked? >> I've addressed it thousands of times, >> right? So it would be weird to you that he wouldn't know and he would say to I I I know I think that said it a bunch of times but I'm not sure how it would apply in this situation. Maybe it's different. You like how can you not be sure how to apply that when it's the gave you hundreds of examples of it. It's not like the said the gave the logic behind it. Right? So it was very transparent especially in the in in the Fabang. So I'm saying maybe stuff like that like political stuff you wouldn't know so clearly if you only learn but you know certainly if you learn fabian from that time um and if someone would say say to you I I I don't know I don't know what the rebu would say about it I don't know we can't ask the so how could we know it would be weird right >> okay so what I'm telling you is to me it's equally as weird if somebody would say, not that they don't know. Okay, it's not a crime to not know, but like I don't know. We can't know. How would we know? How would we know what the would say about this? How would you know? Cuz the didn't have to spend his entire life teaching his worldview. He didn't have to do that. They have it clearly spent not just time but like energy to make it very transparent how we look at things whether it's land for peace or whether it's or shalom bias or the role of women or how to learn rashi like don't tell me I don't No, tell me maybe I have to think about it more. I have to digest it more. But it's all laid out there is there's a a comprehensive worldview contained within the Reb's. There's nothing in life that we couldn't figure out based on the information that we already have. That's at least that's how I feel. I mean to me it's always been a clear thing that the nasi had already addressed everything >> right that's another way of saying it for the day right right if it's going to come up for anyone in this generation then it has to be >> that the ni of that generation covered it oh where did he cover it quote it for me >> okay it's like you know it's like says why why was a given to me it should be given to then says it's all there. >> So 25 years ago when the world was closer in time to when the rabbi said it, it might have been you have to you have to you might have to in certain scenarios have to think less to apply it because it was extremely dim to whatever was the spoke about. So now >> the world was more similar >> right. So so now we might have to like have more das and understanding in order in order to apply it. But >> right yes >> it's all it's all there >> right the difference between the world >> by the way in certain things it's the opposite >> certain certain said it >> people no one understood and now it's so clear to everyone I mean I mean is a good example it's look at the polling how many people think they should give away land it's a it's a extreme minority >> yeah there's definitely stuff like that where like did the say this in 2026 cuz it sounds like and you're like did I ever said this in the ' 50s how did people even know what that meant in 50s this makes more sense now a good example is there's a I think it's and the is speaking about levels of so you know because we have two days of of so the say not redundant the two different levels one is uh freedom on the level freedom from the other is freedom from from this gol msiah so the two different levels So that was describing like what does it mean to be free? Well, we know who's a Ben person learns called Ben. Okay. So one level it sounds like 2026. One level Ben Kaiden is somebody he's learning and the phone rings. Yeah. You know, and he won't answer it because he's learning right now. That's one level. That's only the first level. The second level, higher level is he's learning and the phone rings and the sound of the ringing is irrelevant. It he doesn't process it. He says it's as meaningful to him as the sound of a fork falling on the floor. It's just noise. Like one level, I hear it. I know it's a phone ringing. I'm even maybe even thinking who's calling me but no I won't do it. That's one level of freedom. You not a connect to the phone. You don't have to answer it. Then there's I'm learning what what's a phone. Does it does it's not part of my reality right now. We talk about that today when we're all so hyperconnected and >> I was speaking about when there was a pay phone in the in there's a pay phone down the hall. Right. Right. Someone mentioned I think Benji mentioned that they took said it. They took out the pay phone from 770. >> Oh no. What did he say? >> I think Benji Pearson mentioned it during the podcast that >> what I think it was him. >> And when they when the said that that's when they removed the pay really from the from the hallway. >> Uhhuh. >> But you're saying you're saying that whatever the was saying then now it's like on steroids, >> right? >> I was actually yesterday I was learning >> and the Reb says very very like interesting speaking about a father's child. >> Mhm. and you're telling them one thing, then they see that you come home shabas afternoon and you undo your satuk and you're having tea and uh you're busy you're busy with the and of the of the world. You for sure don't take take the from the from the shelf and earlier speaking about a grandfather that's telling his grandchild how to behave but then he sees how does he behave? He's sitting on the telephone talking not but sitting talking on the telephone. Wow. >> And when I was reading this, I'm like, "Oh my gosh, is talking about >> today >> us the father that's supposed to be learning, right, and telling his kids, what is what's the father doing?" >> On the phone. >> Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know what it reminds me of? It's like, you know, the famous about the industrial revolution. So the says there are certain things that until the technology existed it was very abstract for people like isn't shamas right? So that was just an example, right? >> With his name, >> what's the story? >> They're learning said there's more >> there's more water than land. He says, "I was in I was in here, >> right? In every place, all I see is land. >> It must be amuna." >> They believe in it. >> Some things you have to take on a says that twothirds of the world, look what they say. No, the two-thirds of the world is water. And he says, "Well, I don't I don't understand. Every I've lived in different countries. Everywhere I go, it's all land. You never see water." Ah, some things you have to take on a muna. >> Um, yeah. So certain things were very abstract. And then as the technology existed, it was like, "Oh, this is a real thing." And I think alter said in a similar vein, certain things was speaking to in the 50s and the 60s. And of course is saying it's holy. you take it seriously but I don't think they could imagine that the Reb is speaking about our time you know and you know you call it no like to me it's not nea like like that said like if needs doesn't need like it's not to me like a checklist but is it to me you know a general concept right is greater than Ana, why? I mean, it's like it's a it's a it's a concept. Um because Ana doesn't really understand what he's seeing. I mean, that's his that's his mila, too. He's a he's a conduit. He's just telling he's reporting. He's a faithful reporter. But he doesn't understand it. He doesn't need to understand it. Understands it. So that's why the is greater than than the novi. So in the it's like you start seeing how the reality that the deb is speaking to doesn't become less relevant. Doesn't become oh it's dated you know that was for then it's more precient. It's more um ahead of its time even if it were I mean right famous about so but that to me that's not I I don't get impressed with because I don't know I don't really relate to it but I don't know if I ever had no but I know that I've understood a concept before maybe on a very low level I mean I'm not such a genius But I've learned a concept. I've understood a concept. So then, you know, that impresses me. That excites me that you can have someone teaching a that doesn't become less applicable as the time goes on, but it becomes more obviously applicable as the time goes on. That That's wild. And it's exciting. It's inspiring. Like if you want a clear understanding of life, just learn the Reb's Tyra. Just go learn what the Reb is saying about life and you will have a better understanding of your life. that like type of thing that people should be thinking about and you don't listen that does that count as that you had a mind or >> um >> too abstract >> if if there the question is how do they how did to do that >> oh we said guka how do you get to chuk >> yeah we should explain that question the famous letter that ever wrote after >> anybody that learns >> is uplifted >> yes >> 100% And always it's any element of it's a letter if if you're reading you're always going to be >> you get uplifted exactly the question is on a random Tuesday >> right >> how do you gravitate towards the >> if you're involved in and you're busy and you're raising a family and uh >> so I have an answer it may be grub, but it's an answer. And you know, some of us are grubs. So maybe a grub answers. >> Never met anyone. >> You never met such guys cuz you do not in this podcast because you have all the all the >> Yeah. There's there's you know, right? So the speaks about that uh says that Hashem says I created but the good news is Barasi also created tavlin I created to as tavlin means spices but you know like it means medicine that's why like medicine is also in chabas because you grind spices right okay so the says like this was punished for calling It's also when you get a from but the original thing is not but you know you have to okay um >> yeah I don't remember which but whatever it's somewhere there one of the 49 pages at any rate so David Malik was punished that he called TA zirus means I mean I mean songs but it means like it's a it's a pleasant uplifting distraction you know like somebody is like sad and they put on some music and it makes them feel better so it's David Malik said with all you know he had problems I know we're we're labaves we don't learn because that's where the mascul learnage >> the whole from world yeah because to to show the masculum by mascul I don't mean like masculine I mean like hcala movement right we have to show them that we don't you know they didn't win so we don't learn but there there was this person named David how do they do that >> so I saw someone at 770 with a broken arm >> okay >> he's struggling to wrap his villain >> okay >> I asked him you want me to help you or are you are you finishing so it's so hard for you to do it >> so um David had a had had a lot of problems in And he took refuge in he found it soothing that when he had you know Josh Gordon all shalom when he was doing for kabad.org I was in touch with him regularly and by the way Josh I just want to say I made a braha earlier. >> Yeah every time I drink in the podcast and I don't say that because I drank earlier I think I think you know I should look into why he always does that. I know why he does it cuz somebody told him that he should say it so no one should be that he didn't make a ear >> and I know who told him to say it. >> Oh okay. >> Okay. At any rate um I made a braha earlier. >> Fine. Fine. It's not masher. >> So Josh told me and he look he was very private about his health issues. So I don't know to what extent he knew about his health issues at that time. Um but he certainly had a lot of responsibilities, fundraising, ran a huge operation. I mean he had a lot of responsibilities and so he was teaching pedag teaching you know one one chapter a day Rama and he would teach it right after shakras. So when would when would he prepare it? He would get up at like 4:30 or 5. He would learn the the the chapter of Rambam and then he would go to Shakus and then after Shakus he would teach it. So he told me that this is my Rambam therapy. It's what he call Rambom therapy that when life is stressful and I have all this stuff going on. I learn my Rambam 5 in the morning all by myself and I just go into RAM. That's it's my Rambom therapy. Yeah. So David says to is is soothing. It's his escape. It's his it's his refuge and he was punished for it. Punished for it. He he forgot you the is supposed to be carried on shoulders. He put it on a cart. The whole thing okay explains why dka that was the doesn't matter. I mean not neg to this. It does matter but not neg to this. What's neg to this is the the question that if David was punished for even saying that to was soothing that it was an escape from his worldly troubles. How does the come and say you know what to it's a remedy to worldly problems and not just regular clip like the worst of the worst. That's what you're reducing to. You're taking and you're reducing it to a solution for your sick problems, for your struggles with your your sick yates and that's what you're turning to into. People have this complaint a lot about the way sometimes people learn today. They say, "Why can't you just learn about sayless and and that itself the the haflaw of it? You just get away from your your sick life for a while and just be moved by the the grandeur of it. Why does everything have to be applied to your your your personal struggles and your doubts and your your problems? Okay. So at any rate says what kind of a compliment is this to call it tavlin that this is the remedy for the and the conclusion is that you know the whole the theme of of issum. What's etsum? Means something that's indivisible. Something that just is what it is from the highest level to the lowest level and it's unchanging. It that's what it is. Essence. So the Reb says like this, where do you see the essence of Tyra the Navka on the lowest levels that if something can be translated even to not just this world but the lowest parts of living in this world meaning having a that shows how tomos that it's relevant on the highest levels and it's relevant on the lowest levels. Okay, so backtracking we're discussing right before we got into this >> discussing how to get into >> Okay, so I told you I have a a way of doing this gra but some of us that's our language. By the way, you mentioned earlier about English letters of the Rebama speaks English. So if I want to learn, you know, that's but if I want to speak to my bamas, definitely English letters because that's that's that's what when when my comes and bothers me, it speaks to me in English. No question. So that's like how you fight fire with fire. But here's here's the deal. >> We all have problems. Everyone has problems. How do I know everyone has problems? Well, first of all, because in my personal life as Sha Ta, everyone decides to write me with their problems because I write this this Ammy column, which I've said hundreds of times is a poor imitation of egoishes. >> There's a famous uh clip that our friend Ben Shimon sent around where I said at his event, a oneliner, my Miami column is a poor imitation of eos. He took that clip and he sent it around. Anyway, but I stand by it's true because Rabbi Frankfforter asked me write an advice column like I don't even know what an advice column is. He's like you'll figure it out. So I was like okay I'll imitate but at any rate so I know that everyone has problems >> imitate it >> in which sense >> imitate the style >> style >> the style the the approach there's a lot of column that I picked up from Ignis how to validate people especially when you disagree with them you can't agree with somebody's premise because they're wrong their whole problem is based on a misunderstanding but you have to validate them you can't just you can't just negate them >> validate them first >> first first you validate them and how to encourage somebody but But but also not but demand and not let them off the hook. >> Um >> yeah, >> how how to empower them like what's let's say they're complaining about something that's not their it's it's y they're complaining about some other guy. So how to put it back put the onus back on them where they have power. Like these are things that I picked up from any we can come back to this if you want but >> so here's the deal. I I know that everyone has problems. >> There's a saying there are two kinds of people in the world. There's normal people and people that you really know because if you'll know anyone, you'll find out that everyone's crazy. There people, you know, when it comes to shidim, you know, oh, that family's no good. They're crazy. Oh, that one from Australia, they're good. Who knows them? >> From Australia, you think they're normal. They're just as crazy as everyone. Okay, at any rate, so I know everyone has problems. But also, you don't have to be me. You don't have to borrow my email inbox. Just look at the egress. All these people have problems. Okay? By the way, there's many eagles that are not published. >> Oh, very good point. And that's WHAT WAS FIT FOR PUBLICATION. >> MHM. >> How much of it was not or or dot dot dot redacted a lot of sections of and that was all of the said that cuz it's too personal, right? Yeah. Right. That's the tip of the iceberg. That was what was published, >> right? or people have asked me like where did the deba speak about whatever let's say a very personal uh very um intimate issue ever speak about it I said I think he spoke about it thousands of times where I say look in the talks about what is he talking about over there what is what do you think he's speaking about >> I mean just use a little >> what is most devastating to me. The person who asked me this was a mash of Baham, >> which to me the number one qualification you have to have to be a bram is to know that 99% of the time that I was saying is about these things. But whatever disappointing to Yeah. >> Okay. It was disappointing. Okay. But >> add that to the list. Okay. >> Okay. Well, add that to the list. Okay. But let's talk about this. The grub way to get the chuka going. Okay. So we all have problems. We're engulless. Okay, we have problems. So would it be better perhaps and maybe I could I could even argue the opposite actually. But would it be better to pick up a mimemer just because I just want to connect to the Yeah, I guess that's beautiful. It's very clean. It's very pure. But at the very least, let's just say you have problems in life and you have doubts and you don't know how to deal with it. So at the very least the pa the gra the ulterior motive selfish reason just open up the open up eagerness and just start reading just to have some clue how to deal with your crazy life you're asking how to start learn if you if you start learning everyone always enjoys it right they always enjoy but how to get started if if you you need the the initial motivation so I'm saying when you're trying to deal with your life and goals and you're dealing with all your problems and you're dealing with this will give you clarity. It'll give you soothing. It'll give you peace of mind. So, it's about identifying when you're running on empty, which very often people are. >> Sure. >> It's just about identifying that the and is the address and therefore go access like go do it that your motivation should be your empty tank. But right the motivation is there but you know what the problem is there's a there's a letter that I learned recently but it's a motif that you find all the time. One of the things I told you that I learned certain column from the letters. One of them is the problem is the solution. Always the problem is like it's true in learning like the bigger the kasha the more of a you're going to arrive at right. So also in life the bigger the problem oridis the the bigger the helm the bigger the gillo >> that's approach when he asks questions in learning >> in learning right >> the answer. So the bigger the question, the bigger the answer or in terms of >> the answer is in the question, >> the bigger the helm, the bigger the gilloy that ensues. But in life also you see in the bigger the conundrum the person is facing, the more clarity they're about to to come into >> receive, >> right? And it's not just the it's also the manner of it because the answer is embedded in the question. The the famous simple example of it is Jonathan Sax writes to should I become the next chief rabbi of England? I should >> right I should made the transposition editing marks turns should I into I should right you're asking it as a question I'm telling you you're saying it as an answer or right the vine story right famous okay we have many such illustrations of this >> now side note >> you go back just hold your thought but yeah >> one of the most kishmaka parts of that story sax they saw I think it's a I think it's gem or video where he's describing how he wrote to the Reba and he got that answer. He told his wife, "Okay, I'm going to write to the Rebba, but are you ready?" Because whatever the Reb is going to say, I'm going to do. >> Right. >> So, it was like a very >> Right. >> Okay. I don't know if I should write. You want me to write? Okay. Whatever. >> Yeah. So, the answers in the question, a guy writes to the Reb. He says, "I can't do his bananas because I don't have time and I don't have concentration. I'm thinking all day long about other things and I just I can't do it. I can't think about Hashem. So the deba writes him back and I'm paraphrasing but it's like oh good good news. So you do have time and concentration. You're just using it for the wrong thing. >> You're using it for the wrong thing. Like I was afraid that maybe you're going to tell me push it. You can't think. You don't have some people can't think. Nope. Clearly you can think. You can concentrate. Good news. you're just thinking about the wrong things. Okay, so that's an example of the problem is the solution, right? Question is in the answer or the answer is in the question. But what I was saying before about so we have problems in life and we're in pain, different degrees of pain. It could be like massive massive pain or it could just be general discomfort. Right? Okay. And we know that we we need clarity. We need some way to frame this, some way to to look at this so we can get through the day. And then what do we do? And I, you know, I'll include myself. I'm I'm I'm not perfect here. I look for for for look for answers in other sources. And that to me is the tragedy because it's just satisfying enough that it delays the need to search further. It feels like >> those other those other sources >> what >> those other sources. >> Yeah. So you know podcasts and books and whatever other sources some are clipisnoga and some are you know lower but the point is that someone sent me I believe I mentioned this also somewhere another podcast but the will have to forgive me if I'm repeating myself >> okay >> but someone sent me a um a meme that is a new discovery that if you help others, it actually helps with your happiness. >> Okay. Right. >> And I was like, good morning. Like welcome to what does it have to say to anybody that's writing about they want a tick and they want this go be involved in the youth and help >> right >> and it's like okay so you're so that's what you're saying you're delaying some of the but you're going to have to go go further and you're going to get the the real source anyways. By the way, this is a story mish story that told a story that that that says that uh he it was at a sud I think it was and there was someone there at the sud I think from basav and this person was listening to podcast I guess in the 1890s didn't have podcast it must have been a must have been a book I don't know yeah >> that was the clip that was the podcast of the day >> that was the podcast so the guy says Hey, >> he used to still talk about >> Yeah. So he says that the professors found out that when you look up it helps you remember and when you look down it's a story look and when you look down it helps you to concentrate because there's a vein in the brain and it brings blood to different parts of the brain that do different functions. And the guy, you know, said he was all excited, but I thought it was very interesting. And afterwards, the rabbi went and got a m of the miter. He showed him the is from the the of of and then that's why and a person that he when he he's the person is also made that way and when he wants to remember he looks up when he look when he wants to concentrate he looks down. So Neb tells this story as an illustration that everything's in the and this guy Neb, he had to get excited that he heard it on a podcast or he read it in a book or whatever it is. It's inidis. Okay. So going back to what I was saying about >> is that so I have that you want to get controversial. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. >> Among is brought to you by we live in a chaotic world. A world where for us is au we do not have the ability to hear and see the on a daily basis. Yet we know that the is very much with us and is alive and thriving more than ever before. One needs to only tap into it. provides you and your family with the tools necessary to tap into all of this. 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You can be part of through your financial support as well through visiting our website.org or through contacting us to setting up a meeting. Thank you very much. Enjoy the rest of the podcast. So recently we published something from the and it was about depression and theba gave a very clear answer that and how does it come to who has time for this >> okay >> and I got push back you know it's out of context and there's other letters and you know it's a serious thing okay so I mean I'm open the criticism no problem but I mean I just quoted the rabbis I don't know what you know >> right >> but uh not I whatever the the hair >> the magazine. Yes. >> It was actually like a WhatsApp that we sent out. >> Uhhuh. >> Um >> I remember that project. >> No, no, this is recently. That was different project. >> You did another project. >> Project happened to be we have selections that we sent out. So that was one day >> I was thinking to myself, >> okay, I mean maybe the Reb is right. >> Has anyone ever thought of it? >> Right. Right. Right. By the way, in my own lifetime, I've seen like there's been a shift like people have gone that way and now people are like, you know, slowly. >> I'm not I don't know if I mean clear. I mean, intentionally being a little vague over here. I understand that you're being careful and the nature of trends is that they trend and that the understanding of things shifts and changes and evolves and there's pendulum swings and they go to one extreme and to another extreme and what is considered conventional wisdom. I mean I'm not even that old but in my lifetime I've seen >> not everyone back and forth and back and forth. younger than you and you've seen it in my adult life. I've seen swing back and forth. Yeah. >> Yeah. So maybe the deb knows what he's talking about. Or at the very least, could you admit that the deb knew what he was talking about to that guy, right? And that there's some value in hearing what the deba told this person. Does it mean that you have to do exactly what it says there? See, where does that come from? That comes from that very shallow approach I was describing before when I said people who only think about what the ebba said not how theba said it >> right then wrote before one answer the answers to one person >> right the will give two opposite answers to two different people in fact I know of cases where regarding a two parties the same the told one one thing the other the other thing is good for you it's not good for you okay so and and if you're learning you don't have a problem with Where are these generalizations? Like for example, where does it come from the generalizations? Where does that come from? It comes from this this shallow way of learning where I think that I just have to memorize all the things that said they're quotes. They're just quotes. They're things. And what was the opinion about what kind of car you should buy? The said buy last year's model. Like like and that becomes like put that on the banner. That's >> a >> Yeah, I think it even says like a year ago, like last year's model. >> I didn't see that. I saw a few times I've said, >> right, whatever. The point is and they make that like that's like like that's a shor like that becomes like >> like they now let a lease cuz it's not a used car. >> Right. Exactly. Okay. There's an approach like it's it's it's a way of looking at things. So yeah, is is is it important to know to be able to quote and to Yes, absolutely. And to know what did the say, what words did the Reb use? Very important. It's very important. But that's the beginning. And I think what happens is people just get very hung up on what was the Debb's opinion about such and such. Well, it says in such and such this is what the deba said. Now that's the answer. No, no, no, no. What was the context for it? You know, this might be like a silly way to like make the point, but I'll be like coming up to someone and saying, "What's the most important yumpt of in the Jewish year?" Oh, I know it's rash. I just learned the said is the most important day. >> Right. Right. You know anything about the know that whatever the deb is speaking about, he'll explain how this is more important than anything else. Right. >> Right. But if the person just takes that one clip and that's it and that's the whole bin. Right. >> Okay. Yeah. Exact Now we have a source and that's it. I'm going to make it on a poster and that's it. And it and it and it absolves me from from actually being a Talmid. I think that's also another thing that's connected to this whole discussion like the Reb's in the the the Mus of Kabala. the Reba innovates the definition of the concept of Kabalisel itself many places but uh I think one approach to gualis is that there's kabalisale and there's se right there's accepting the yoke and there's thinking and there's two different opposite worlds they're antithetical you have to choose one or the other nasa or nishma you got to do one or the other and the comes and says no it's nasa and it's nishma you both there's a say obviously nasa first then but don't say and then oh that's it now I don't >> but that doesn't you have to have for understanding it >> okay >> is that what you're saying >> that's another thing that's another thing and by the way very interesting a letter I saw the wrote to meas seems to be inabad they told her she should tell the girls that even the uh of of I forget the exact last but it was like non-Jewish scientists are also saying that you need to have kabalis in order to have a happy life and I was thinking to myself sort of like we were saying before like why do you have uncle podcasts right and then I realized you can't have kabala sale to kabala sale you first have to get the person to agree that it's good for them because they're not there yet. They have to agree it's good for them. Then once they agree it's good for them now they can have. So the beginning of it was explain to them even according to non-Jewish scientists you have to have self-discipline in life. Okay. But getting back to this this other point about kabal the way that explains it kabalisil is not you check your brain at the door and now you're not thinking anymore and now you're done. To the contrary, if you say kabalis means I no longer have an obligation to think, what you're basically doing is you're telling Hashem, my kabalis only goes so deep. I can be oil on the level of my maybe even on the level of dur. But I cannot give you my and therefore what I'll do instead I'll shut it off. I'll shut it off. But I I can't I'm sorry. I can't think like a Jew. I just can't do it. So you're holding out on Hashem. So the Reb says, by the way, one of the says on this is the inim on on par. And what does it mean? What was his mistake? And what does it mean? He didn't listen. And that kabalis doesn't mean you turn off your brain. It means that you accept that you're going to use your brain and you're going to train yourself to think like a Yid. That's what it means. So I think a lot of times one of the issues we have culturally is as labavators I'm saying is like okay how will I have kabalis? I will just do whatever the deba said. Tell me what the deba said. Tell me what the deba said. Tell me what the deba says and I and I'll do it. Just tell me what they ever said and I'll do it. And that never wants TMI. Never wants people who know how to think. Never spending thousands of hours teaching you how to approach not just learning but life. And you're refusing to do it. You're saying, "No, no, no. I just give me the quotes. Give me the and and that's it and I'll follow it." So that's why like you're saying you got pushed back. Oh, the Reba told someone to get over their depression. Well, what was that mean? Everyone should just get over their depression. When did it ever occur to you? Because the Reb said something one time to one person that that is the binyav that becomes the rule for every situation, every time. There's an approach that that that brings across it. But if you think about that in those terms, if your way of relating to the debas is very um literal where you're just what did the deba say and now then you do generalize and then you're afraid of words like that because you're like oh well but but but that doesn't fit with what we know what but it fits with the that real human being reached out to the deba in a time of weakness and the deba as a loving father said it to that person so it has relevance at least on that level has truth at least on that level. But no, but we can't turn it into a a banner that we can we could say, well, who said anything is like that? But there but there is a general there is an approach like for in this in this way that may not with some which some people may struggle with and find not conventional >> but it's an approach and you have to know how to apply it and obviously >> what is the approach? Well, generally the Reba is very into minimizing people's problems. Not invalidating it, not dismissing, saying being dismissive is grow up. Grow up. Right? There's an expression um don't tell God how big your problems are. Tell your problems how big God is. Okay? Now, that's my ver my version of of uh you know that the Shamu had to hear the Ukrainian wagon driver say it in >> constell right but the question is why did they have to hear it from the Ukrainian wagon driver there was it was a teaching of the bal okay the point is sometimes you hear it said in the oius of uh the medina and it makes more sense to you so this this don't tell god how big your problems are are tell tell your problems how big god is the approach is is very much on the side of like this is manageable. I never saw the EBA say this is unmanageable like we're never going to be able to take care of this. This is too big. We can't deal with this. I never saw it. So that's very different than dismissive. Dismissive is I don't even want to hear about it >> or it doesn't exist >> or it doesn't exist. It's not real. The is like yeah >> you can do it. >> You can do it like it's real but we can manage this. This is manageable. Now, that's not to tell you that this is the bin of that anyone who has depression that the answer is you can do it. Maybe that's not the answer. Or maybe that's not the entire answer. Maybe that's only part of the answer. We love to generalize. I can get really controversial if you want. Okay, go ahead. So, the other day we're learning a letter, 30 letters in 30 days. And I noticed that it was the the date of the letter was not but it was all we're learning. So all the letters are from but it was it was yudal. So I mentioned yalat is the first day of kobos and now it happened to be the day we're learning that letter was bison which bison is the hilula of the it's also kabalis >> of the scholus of of of the not like with the where there's a whole inter you know period in between like the day of the hilo was the day of uhas so I mentioned I said it's interesting because alashwat's the letter we just learned that's the beginning of the debus and bis is the beginning of the fidius of course on the which I said that term because that's the language that used is um the beginning the the coronation of of of of the and so you should say to give life to the Nazis so gives life to the >> Nazis basian remember? Yes. Yeah. >> So, someone made a clip of it. They got all excited. Oh, the end of the year. Shay said. So, I I was in Crown Heights for Shabas. So, a lot of people were coming over commenting on Oh, yeah. He said, "Yeah, I did. That is correct. Basic is the time to say." I'm not telling you can't say it any other time. What I'm saying is the context of is now maybe if you want to generalize you could say for us it's and maybe I'll say it'll be an appropriate thing to say because that's the however you want to say it. But my point is I think people get really really hung up on well this is the word these are the words this is the quote okay and now if it's good let's just do it all the time like if the rebba said that was the most important y that's it oh but he said is the most important y said is the most important everything is context there's a context for for saying there's a context for every every holy word that said has an eternal context. Eternal doesn't mean that you should say that all the time. It means there will always be situations in which it is the most appropriate thing to say. Is that too nuanced? Is that like too I don't know what you should we say it or not. You imagine somebody came to 770 for and he heard and he was so excited and he's walking around in and he's saying upon him it's so moving. That's that's for like why are you saying that now? Like everything has context. So going back to your >> Yeah. And people used to mock that. I remember clearly people mocking Berat virat and people used to mock that that that he he's not committing he can't it's not that he's not committing it's that I I give you a very very simple example that if you don't grasp this you cannot learnis the alterb says in that mus has no he says but in I said that He says, "Yeah, because in we're talking about the that you can control, you must control your your thought, speech, and action. You can't directly control your intellect and your emotions." So relative to the context of we call in that text. But here in means something beyond deeper even than than has no but imagine somebody would insist that they they they learned or in the end of B of Tanya he talks about says that that's the but in for the rest of Tanya is thought speech and action. Imagine if you were forcing well lavush means this it has to mean if that's what it means two chapters later it has to mean it in this chapter as well but that's not the context. So the word the same word has different meaning in different contexts. So I think a lot of the problem is that we get hung up on didba say it did said it now this becomes the simplified catchall phrase for every situation and that I'm just saying when people said to you you can't print the telling somebody to what was what what was even the language you don't have to be exactly precise >> I don't want to misquote but it was it was a translation said like instead of >> okay >> like there's no time for depression right okay >> I think if I believe that's what it was if I remember correctly >> and then it becomes well that is dismissive of all depression and because you're you're saying that that's how you should speak to anyone every time nobody said that we're saying that said it to this and by the way let me let me go further this is what the deba said to this person this time I don't know what the deba told that person the very next day it could have been nuance. That's why it's so important to understand the approach. It's not what, it's how. So, let me ask you another question. Forget about what the Reba wrote to people, what the Reb spoke publicly. >> Mhm. >> And how you how are you learning the doing what the Reb told us to do, >> etc. So someone could struggle with some of the things that the have to do that are hard. Someone reached out to me today. What does it mean to learn and it's very very hard if if they actually do it and not just read the >> two hardest things in my life and >> I don't have a problem with >> you don't have a problem with it? >> I don't know. I don't have a problem with that. But it's >> terrible. It's terrible. It's torture for me. Torture. Okay. >> And I'm saying it publicly because I want to normalize it that it may be torture for other people and I want them to know that. >> Oh, so this is my question. >> Oh yeah. >> So if it's hard, I'll give you let's do a hard a very hard example. >> Okay. >> The had a campaign and we published an extensive essay on it a number of years ago. Had a campaign to have large families. >> Okay. that that was very and I I read it often. I have a large family and I I I read I reread it and and and that article often and know one of the teachers tells me he gives it out to and teacher also >> is very very clear about it >> and also >> addresses spacing very clearly and is very strong about the lack of the lack of it. So obviously there's the everything you already said before there's the nuance and and you know you know and and fine there's that nuance but then there's another thing >> that sometimes the Reb wants us to do something that is very hard. >> Yeah. >> And that's part of what it means to be a soldier. >> Right. Even though it's hard you're going to do it. >> So what do you say about all all this? >> That's a very valid question. This is a very sensitive area. I mean that's a super sensitive area. >> I know. That's why I'm bringing it up. >> Yeah. Okay. That's I think the most controversial thing >> it happens to be that I am passionate about it and I feel like that it's a it's that particular area is something that gets written off very very quickly. >> Yeah. >> And I think the deba's whole point of the campaign was not to tell you that it's user or anything like that. The was trying to educate us how we >> Yes. And I think one of those uses talking to women says that you shouldn't go you shouldb wants attitude obviously you can go to the to get the writes about birth control >> right but the >> and if you learn the okay so it exists and knows how to give >> right but the is trying to influence but when the woman asks the her attitude >> right Exactly. Exactly. But people don't get these nuances. >> Let's talk about this. No, >> you you know >> the is not telling you what to do. >> I mean, I guess maybe some places you could say that the is telling you what to do. That's we can we can talk about that. >> Doesn't tell you what to do. Theba teaches. >> But that's the thing that is teaching with the family planning. Clearly, the is not giving anyone an instructive. This is what you have to do. The Reb is giving you an approach to it. There's one very powerful about family planning. The Reb talks about means and the worldly approach and from the worldly approach it's so overwhelming and how can I do it but then you have to say you remember this beautiful beautiful like what would my nishama say? And it's like a thought process, a meditation a person's supposed to go through. Like, yeah, from a physical point of view, there's no way I can make this work. But what would my nish say? That's not a that's not a zarti. It's not that the making a decree. Here's what you have to do. That's the teaching. >> So my so my question for you is when there's an in from the that's hard. I mean, a lot of things are hard. Is very hard. uh for some people wearing a is hard. I mean there's there's a lot of things that are hard. How does aid what's the mixture of but also to actually not just do something but actually >> like for example if you're struggling to have a large family don't rely on the fact that 10 years ago you looked into it do it again >> however much you need it every day every week every year what whatever it is like but what what do you what do you do to be aid >> to act like >> the the things that are hard for you how do you just say I can't do it or or just have that without buying into it. That's also a bad recipe. What's the what's the balance? >> There's the famous story about Herman Woke came to the Rebe and Herman Woke had a very interesting unusual biography in that he grew up in America. I think he was from the Bronx. uh Shimmer Shabas his whole life even when he was in the American army and he was by the way people think that everyone who ever was like on the radar of Labavich like they exaggerate their their level of fame it's called the teleathon syndrome >> like Labav I'm think like Jan Pierce was like the biggest star of all because he you know but Homeman woke actually >> he actually was >> yeah I mean if you list like top five influential American authors of the 20th century. I think everyone's going to put him on the list, right? He he was very big. Anyways, the Pella was the guy was for him his whole life. Okay. Now, he comes to the Reb and the Reb is telling him about his plan and he says, "With all due respect, do you think you can tell American Jews to do anything?" He's like, "I am an American Jew. I know these people." And he you have to understand American jewelry even the Orthodox were not Orthodox. I mean very few people very few people were able to to hold it together. >> You're talking about like the the pre-war pre-war that generation assimilation was super super rampant. They came over from the old country and you know the stories of throwing the filling over the boats. I mean these are real things. Like >> it was struck. I mean I don't have to give you examples to to prove it but I can tell you the level >> American jury that you see >> right and when was not just for fun it was it was a real issue was a crisis crisis >> so Herman Wil is talking about someone who was from and he is from America he gets that mentality says do you think you can tell American Jews to do anything like Americans are not Russians Russians are very you know a folk you know soldier but Americans ans like are cowboys. You don't tell Americans what to do? My freedoms. My freedoms, RIGHT? YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO, I'M GOING to do the opposite. So he says, "You think you can tell American Jews to do anything?" The Neb says, "You no, you can't tell them to do anything, but you can teach them to do everything." At least that's how Herman Woke reported it. And I've heard Rabbi Feller repeat it uh before. I don't know if he told it directly to him. I know they were I think they went to Yudolf Nissen together on a >> on a private plane. >> Private plane with Senator Bashawitz. Yeah, it's a whole story. Okay, you've heard that also, right? You think you can tell Americans just to do anything? No, you can't tell them to do anything, but you can teach them to do everything. Okay, so here's what I think. There may be some things that that did say in a manner of gazarti. I'm not sure what they are. I'd have to think about it. I would think most things though is that I have a teaching and that is spending time explaining things why it's important why we do it this way not other ways you know like you mentioned like that was something the explained why this way why not another way why is it important any of these concepts the reb had enough authority in the eyes of at least to say I'm this is the decree this is I'm saying this is what you have to do but that educated and explained it there were other in that you have to take attendance if you show up at the tish or whatever right >> it was never like that in >> right maybe the rebb took attendance but it wasn't you weren't you know it wasn't you didn't feel that the mandate Right. And it's interesting that people were there because they felt that they should be there. Nobody had to be there. They wanted to be there. And I think that's the same with a lot of things. like no one's forcing you to do this. But the Reb gave you enough information and explanation that if you think about it for a little while, you'll want to do it. Just like you listen to your favorite podcast and your favorite, you read your favorite author and by the time you're done, you're all excited and you're motivated. You're going to do this, you can do that. Okay. Can the have as much place in your mind as as as those things? Do you think that EBA has the capacity to influence you? I would even just say, I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I'm just saying it even as an innocent question. Try it out. Try see what happens. See how influential it will be. Go make it super easy. You don't even have to read. Go and pull up um living Torah videos on on family planning and just watch those videos. >> And they made a whole uh film on that. >> They made a whole thing. Yeah, just just watch those and just see see if it has an effect on you. I know certain >> Yeah. >> that when he gets the question maybe if it's the first time he says just do me a favor. Watch the video >> then ask the just watch the I mean maybe now he says read the de article I don't know but wa watch the video and then call me back. >> You did a whole thing in de hair about family point. Was that what you got bashed for? >> Yeah, we got that. That >> which did you get? >> We got bashed because people inappropriate. It's not appropriate for Bahim. >> Yeah, it's not appropriate for Baham. You know the story uh Rabbi Dr. Pape told me about the uh Msiah Times. You know about that. >> Tell me what >> I'm sure you know it. Come on y know everything. the the cover of the the and they didn't want to write uh >> right so uh they wrote some the said about telling the truth so instead ironically enough telling the truth because they were like hiding the truth and uh they didn't want to write and the wrote like the reb was all the covers of like one of them is missing over here not a pro that wanted children should know what's a thing. >> I mean, first of all, whatever. I don't want you want to get into this. Oh, yeah. I mean, first of all, the Reb was speaking to a room packed with Bakim, >> right? Who was there? Right. >> Even though even though I saw the says that the crowd is like I'm addressing not about this about something else, >> right? >> Fine. But the pile I mean second of all, um when are they supposed to find out about how to think about life? >> Right? >> When it hits them in the face, >> right? That's the first time it should and I'm not even getting into the outside influence on our culture today and how >> people the have many of them know >> it's called the da >> exactly I mean there's the famous joke someone has the parent sits down with the child and he says we're going to have the talk talk about what the talk and the kid says okay no problem what do you want to Uhhuh. >> Maybe that'll have to cut out. >> No, no, it's fine. Leave it. It's good. So why were people upset about it? I mean that was that was a reaction that that people had. I mean it was it was a there was a mus amongst various mashim if there's any valid validity to that to that thing. I mean um I mean LA the people that I spoke to felt very strongly that um first of all the saw to it to explain this and he even said in those that I'm speaking at even though it's not said in the right he said that he addressed that issue right it's number one and said nevertheless I'm going to address it >> and whenever the speaks about any of these things speaks about in such a elevated did um I I listened to to to some from people from other Kaisen they say whatever they want as long as it's in Hebrew you know as long as as long as they're using term anything that they're talking about they just use it >> you know and whenever the spoke about anything like that always made sure to speak very very elevated manner of speech that's number one I don't know which number we're holding but but but the main point is that the rabbi was educating and who when do you get educated when you're single when you're when you're when you're before you're married or you're a girl saying that is when you get anything in life I mean I would say that most people the most of their education their come from when they're so anything that you need to hear you need to hear then okay the details yeah there's an answer from the bak wrote was on I think and he wrote he met somebody They had a bunch of shilas in a muna like like like not shun like says this but the reality is that you know like Torah and science type of thing. They never gave like a detailed answer. Two of them were like that were you know >> like about like the biology >> right >> and something says and the biology is different said like it's not appropriate like >> okay fine fine >> so that was a limit. Yeah, you see one that had to make a limit. He made or at least for that person >> there are limits but but you so fine. So that's why we only learn you know and >> by the way how old does Bak have to be to learn Rambam. >> Yeah that's that's that's for sure right. You know >> because you go to Rambam you're going to get you're going to get an education. >> Correct. Halavi everyone's context for their original exposure to everything in life should be from and I think that's the theme of what we're talking about here that the rebba should be as much of a mand in our lives as all the other sources lad that we allow to have an influence on us at least as much and that there's no area of life where you can say well you know the rabbi can tell me uh har can tell me uh I don't know you know that you know if it has to do with there's certain parts of life you know I have to figure it out for myself and and it's like so opposite of the way that educates how to understand what aba is what is ab is someone who is with you in all areas of your life. Famous from the from from the first uh you know from the first from the first after that I was talking about the the about I need my sons and he speaks about that Rabbi says that I keep my my bed made and my my lamp lit and my um >> and um what was the the third thing >> and uh my uh we uh my table. So uh the Reb talks that that the table is parnosa and that the and that the mita is is children you know and the lamp is um is you know is is life and people come to the rebba and just like you came to the before you come to the rebba after theus and you talk about ask don't think the rebba is way up there and now he can't relate to your needs anymore of bon your your family issues and your parnosa issues and your health issues. The Reba still cares. And then the Reba goes even deeper and says, "By the way, mita, mita, you know, on the par level, mita means family issues." But there's even lower. Mita can mean a because first of all, mita is when the head and the feet are on the same level. So you're not thinking, you know, but >> right. Very good. Okay. And uh >> so >> that's like I'm B now. >> Yeah, that's a I'm always holding still at that point. I'm still um but also that is a he says yeah of course cuz people are in those those things people struggle with that. Yeah. So means and you can come listen to this after theus is highestalus meaning elevation is on these high high levels and you think to yourself what kind of a connection do I have? I'm I I I I I have I have issues, real issues. And uh the shame and there's there's the I don't even want to tell my Mashia. I should tell the Reba. And the Reb is saying, "What do you think is? What do you think is who who are you going to tell?" Like the guy who came back from Jamaica, who who else should I tell? And I think everybody should know that. It's like whatever you're struggling with in your life, whatever it is, whatever it's I'm not saying if you don't have these problems, go out and get those problems. God forbid. But whatever it is that you are dealing with, the Reba has answers for you and guidance and and the Reba knows how to be gentle and the Reb knows how to also be firm that knows how to comfort you. The Reb knows how to push you and it's all there and there's nothing in your life that you have to keep private and separate from your relationship with the Reb because it's all there. Yeah. Um Okay. So this is uh this is the the adnissen work >> that whatever is going on in your life you should know that has guidance for you that cares. It's relevant. You are relevant to theb that is relevant to you. >> Okay. So I think we should uh I think Daniss is a day that um each day has different and has different >> what is it what is the difference? I mean I mean what what is the uniqueness of Nissen over to >> rightjhat is the beginning of the Reb's public life officially the capacity of the official capacity of of Nosi you know or Gimlam is the culmination of another level of the aida the life's work of the reb becoming more impactful in the or like yudalid kisl the connections the day they connected this yeah so what are you saying what what's your niss >> what's the uniqueness of niss yniss is is gratitude we give a present to the rebba we're grateful that the rebba was born that's it it's gratitude we're we're thankful that hashem chose to send that Aba here to this world. We're doubly thankful that Abba was sent to this world for us in our time. And we're we're that's it. We're grateful. We want to celebrate. It's a day of celebration, a birthday celebration. Um giving gifts to show our celebration, our gratitude. That's what it is. We're grateful. I always tell my kids that the um at least in some point it's going to be sunny. I don't know if I ever heard from but sun always shines >> at some point >> some point and there's also there's always a big question that I always had thanks those that sent and and wishes. >> Yeah. I was always wondering this is more as a bakr I was wondering a bak who are you to give a wish to >> right right >> so I I recently I remember when it was a friend of mine told me that his grandfather Sudak he asked him this question and he gave him a whole and I asked him recently I didn't remember what it was I I recently asked him what it was and he had no recollection of the whole thing. >> Oh no. >> So what do you think? uh that we should send wellwishes and brahas to the rebba. I mean I have a thought about it but it's that that's really definitely not a a quote. It's more my personal thought. I mean I I guess I could share it. >> Won't quote you. >> Don't quote me. Yeah, exactly. I'm not quoting so don't quote me. We were speaking about the idea that the Reb educated us how to think. Don't just repeat the quotes. Learn how to learn how to think and and think like the rabbi. And a lot of them get nervous. Oh, you're going to think like the who are you to think like the >> famous words. >> Who are you? >> Well, who are you? Right. Who are you to think like the David? So my my only question to you my friend is then who would you like me to think like? Who would you like me to think like? And if your answer is don't think at all, I'm going to go to Kagas. This is I got to think. So who do you want me to think like? So the Reba gave, this is just my unauthorized opinion. The Reba gave Rebba training. Reb training. The Reb took things that the Fed Reba told him because that's what you tell a Reba in training. that told us many such examples birthday is one of those examples by the way the fact that made birthdays a thing for all that's thing birthdays and I think is a literal thing in the's worldview and I think that we are I mean the said about the when he from right. Why? Because every son of the says in the Yes. And I would have concluded from that also the same thing. No, I would have never come up with that. But the Reb taught it. And once the Reb teaches it, you start to realize. Oh, you start to extrapolate. You start to understand. Okay. So that is saying that there's a whole other level that can be lifted to and and this that it didn't happen before in history. Okay, you could say the same thing about itself. Why didn't it exist before? And the answer that question because it wasn't needed when you the more needed it is. Okay. And that's why if the alterb went to prison and he was already acquitted, so why did the have to go to prison? Because he pushed it further. Why did he push it further? Because it was needed more. Okay. I I do believe that revealed something in was never revealed before. I think that bestowed things that normally would be nervous about and call it. I think that gave it to every kid. One of my big pet peeves by the way talking about just repeating what the Reba said about you look in the original uh and 50 years ago and the didn't say the kids should memorize the words the said they should learn the concepts and teach them to other kids because the whole concept of is not to educate children but to turn children into educators and that same year later ybase Tomos the said somebody wrote to me and said where did I get such a crazy idea of making children into educator haters and I and I said well you never heard the gamor about that the whole is going to be forgotten went and he he took kids and he made them into one kid for each kish one kid for each say of mishnay and he restored the whole through children so yeah I think that the gave us uh or brought out in us extraordinary powers And um I also think that when someone gives you a gift, the polite thing is to use it. It's not nice if someone gave you a gift, especially a gift that's connected with a lot of time and effort. So for the Rebbit to download all of that holy information and make it available and then to not use it, it's not it doesn't show sufficient appreciation. So yeah, I think I think that's part of it. Just my personal opinion. >> Okay. And yeah, happy birthday. >> Happy birthday.