Ep. 39: The Process of Documenting the Rebbe's Words with Rabbi Hirshel Notik

the last telegram of the Reb. I don't know why Rabbi Goner called me was the middle of the day. I should come and prepare. I didn't want to ask him why the guy is not doing it. Whatever it is, I came back. I was working that time in Williamsburg. I came back and I prepared based on what the Reb had spoken that time a normal type talk type without the Reb having to prosecute already from from from different punctas came in welcome to among an ongoing fabric in about life as aid, our vibrant connection with the Reb and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day. How are you? >> Thank you very much for being here. >> You're welcome. So there's a lot that I want to discuss with you with the with myim. There's a lot of involvement that you had. I guess a little bit behind the scenes. I don't know if how many people know about it. So therefore, uh I'm glad that you're here, but my first question for you is where were you coming from? When did you get to the Reba? How did that happen? >> Yes. Uh I was born in uh Paris. I lived in a villier at the age of five. I moved to a little stat called year walking 25 minutes from the shiv binoir. In um the end of I went to the reb was officially was I was going for bay. I came here l it was shim I stayed here lammed b lad giml I was in Morristown about kisv toshin lamemedal I was already in crown heights and that's when I um started getting involved a little bit in the sus I uh I in the building of 784 788 the buildings next to 770. upstairs there was an office I think later was uh used by Yosi Kasin all over schol and this was the office of the sikas and I would type up here and there the ladim the old one would bring us that they finally got ready to type and to publicize it asked me to type it >> so what what was the say there So the fab shabas let's say this when is this all happening? No this in those years Shabas fabangans were about for inlam B just shabasim maybe one more bay the day of the br mostly there weren't so many for bring us in the year officially each year had someone who would write the anorus of that year uh when I finally came to the reban I was so happy waiting to um to come into New York once four weeks we came in for Shabasim. I was sure I'm coming in here. I'll get the I'll be able to learn the faban and when I would come in here they nothing came out yet. Uh the same thing I guess with lamemed giml and those were the guys riding the shabas and the wigbring they had someone >> you see they weren't producing it properly. >> Right. Right. There was this in those years there was a >> Yeah. >> a weakness in the hanakas. >> Yes. Um and um the week the fabangans I guess someone would write it. Uh in those years there were no uh cassette recorders. It was just a big realtore. Uh wasn't easy to write it down. And after you wrote it down, you couldn't listen over because it would ruin again the the real to real tape. Uh and then someone else not from the ones who wrote the Shabas forens would um would look over the um fix it. It was called making trains like turning around the words the refs said here to there in order something that was spoken with anigan should be able to be readable a little bit when it's on text and then they would type it up. Before it used to be on stencil. Um stencil is something that uh you typed in it. You type strong enough so it made holes in the stencil and then that stencil you were able to fix it. behind a kind of little liquid that you could fix. It wasn't so easy that you would put on the machine and print it. The ink would go through the holes. Um >> that's like the camping device. >> That's Yeah. Was what I mean to say wasn't offset. >> Mhm. Uh when I came was about as I said Kisval uh at that time I still remember Alec Friedman Friedman which is fast now was sitting together with Mandal which was for years a lud and they were sitting at that time this was Kisv uh trying to write the han of shabas nak from that year. Uh I started typing a little bit Shapiro would give me a that it's ready. Could you please type it? Of course. >> One second. So the these people that are writing that would write write it down by hand. The some of them by hand and some with a typewriter. Those secrets of course were all mostly by hand or it depends if the guy who typed from the tape was a Israeli guy that knew how to type so maybe it was typed but a lot of them were by hand. Um >> you started typing the these anas >> he would ask me here's a fing it's ready if you type it up it will come out. If I wouldn't type it, uh, it would go to what you call Giza and that would never come out. Uh, anyhow, by the end, I'm sorry that same year um, I believe Levan got married to Lamadal. Sorry, you don't have to go into all the details, but basically till the right regular and then there's and the early l's like this, right? It's not >> No, that's that's not my uh my line. I wasn't there. If you want to know more about the history of the previous years, uh that you would have to ask someone else who has it written down. I came here end of lamealof. I uh after all wrote the for at least 10 years I believe when he started doing um he got more busy also. So he was doing less. The story goes that rebell the old man Rabbi Simpson walked over to Rabier like being upset why he was the official why you not giving out riding my morim. So Rabiel told them how many years did you write by the rebashab he wrote I think he only wrote one or two years I already did 10 years you know it's uh people don't understand throughout the years of the boim every year or so was a different group of bim that were making the and even then not much came out of course just in the beginning after the revolution of the bimshov I guess came out but then later I guess um the memor at that time already uh when 11 I think got married from Argentina started writing the memorial uh by that same year David Feldma used to write Hanoka's uh I think he only made like six copies. He had six people. How big was all the Babage? Six people that took from him um a copy. One of them got a copy was uh was the Reb. I think Rabbi Gon used to call it or maybe the Reb, the Kanas because practically sometimes it was on different color paper. whatever you were able to get for cheap paper you couldn't get just was expensive sometimes maybe even I don't know in the same s was a um you have a page of different color of paper at a um at so by the end of to by the beginning of uh the original I think Shapiro um asked David Feldman that in addition to write the tan which wouldn't take that much time was a short it's he should also write a han in Yiddish with all the details a lengthy han so they could use form there was nobody else at that time that was making the feldman agreed they um they of course he wasn't going to do it himself so they had three people Feldman and Ra who was a sator now is in Paris and Midot they broke up the Fabrangan I think Rabbi Olot would write the rashes and like this they were doing all the shabas of course they all the shabas fabbrangans um also in Yiddish everything was written like abr would be 40 50 written pages This >> uh >> were they theim also? >> They were. No, they knew the Fabian. There's old people that knew but most probably they said by the Fbran and took nudas but they knew the Fabrangan also of course David Feldman knew the whole as a very good head of course but he was based u on Khaz and um Khazor not always was the same the same level of but this we're not talking about that like this they started writing fabings of to Khan of course came he said they should work in cooperation because he wanted to rewrite the fabbran his style of writing is much uh higher than anybody uh but it takes him longer lapel that throughout the year lamemed most of herans did not come out. They wrote the whole year. All the shabas fabans I believe most of them didn't come out. What you see now that there's a book of a lot of them were nishlim after when we started the new we every time did bring from the year before. Why did they write them and not put them out? >> Why didn't they come out? U whatever people um for sure it wasn't the fault of the three people >> just wanted to work on them but it takes longer but there is which was supposed to take care of it. It's not so simple said u by the end of tin lamemed beginning of lamemed vv um and at that time also since we had hoped maybe foris will come out so we prepared also some march I remember me and feldman being ina which had a nice library this before the library in s there was a second good library kind of that opened up we had no forum so it would be in the library in ina to make little misus anyhow seems after working uh a whole year it took a lot of time from from David Feldman by the beginning of he notified that he's not going to continue to make any more he doesn't want to waste his time he doesn't have time with set and learn that's it that means that in a certain sense is over at that time also the same period of time the beginning of I think was the announced he's sending I think the first of announced and one of them that was picked was in other words that meant that that's it there is nobody anymore here that is going to ride Um, this was a Friday night. I think 14,48. I don't remember which building exactly my apartment was. It was the Friday night of Shabas Mishimov 1976. Um, and on the same floor in the apartment in the build in the apartment there was another room where my good friend Pausner they called him Iki Pausner. I think he's in Chicago, Illinois is today. Ashley Ral Shaw was also someone a good friend of mine still from before someone else there. And somehow when I came at night, whatever, I don't want to say another word. We started talking and they're all being very upset. What's going on? Why areas not coming out? And when I gave him a report, uh the truth, what's going on? They were shocked. They were very upset. And on the spot, a decision was made that we're starting to give out the sikas from this shabas. This is Friday night late at night from this shabas. The fact we don't have who's going to write the sikas. David is not writing anymore in Yiddish. So we said we'll take David Feldman's son in Lash Kadesh and we'll take a few guys and they'll >> he was still running Kadesh even though he was >> no of course he continued. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. whatever it's called whatever was more than but uh and at right shabas we um we took as soon as felman had one page or two pages ready we sat down I think karonov which was aer himself my good friend Rabian Misha Wahberg uh also I knew him from Morristown had a very good head and I I think also Matsov even though he was very young. He's today in Paris in Liska and uh they started writing Dora in Yiddish. They all knew the FBI very well also. But here they have a taken already. It's much more than having the from and you write it out in the language you write and I um had a typewriter there was the not only Hermas was called Hermas Ambassador. The regular good Hermas typewriter was Hermas 3000. The old tables were alvetiusim. Alveti didn't have nice as but Hermas was the one that we used to use and I had her ambassador uh at that time already by tough shin and hay around already was invented uh the new ribbon. It's a one-time ribbon unlike the old ribbons that were cotton that they keep finishing and going back. So the ACS are not sharp. Those were a kind of a ribbon that every letter you type it uses one time and the ribbon continues. Once it's finished, you have to change the ribbon and then you're able to print from it offset because it's very sharp. The original is very sharp. Any typed the s I used the office there happened to be beginning of tov. I went upstairs in the building uh and I found our office a big storage room belonged to Rabbi Kinsky to Lavich. It was had no door on it even and it was all packed on with storage with stuff that belong to Lavich. I made myself a little space and a desk without permission and I said I'm there to do some work. I even gave out on my own without asking anybody a s of I think then we decided to start the new. They all went up to my quote unquote office. They wrote there was a little space and I typed it. If I'm not mistaken, by Tuesday we finished and I went I gave to the person in charge of the printing of the sus which was tann from the matzab baker my good friend and he send it to print that time the printing was Manhattan right uh uh right we cross the first stop when you come to Manhattan was offset place and he came back they were selling it in 770 upstairs as if you know maybe till now in the beam of Chrisa because he used to be the one for years selling the secret there was a a good ler he owned there underneath the beam is in a land the beam of sater he was selling the jumped on the secret it was never in history that three four days after of the and I think the secret altogether costed 25 cents or whatever it was um after he finished selling there was some um exchange of words. Um it was no choice and uh he was notified that uh that there is no more the old vad there is a new vadim >> the one that you guys were doing. >> Yes. >> Question was also >> I have a question. There was no is any from the about coming out not coming out like what the rebba didn't involve >> in that just I'll say it now that in the time when we started uh till then >> I'm saying I'm asking before then >> yeah so the would complain a lot of times and the expression was kind of the said he spoke something and it's not written Now the reb was upset. I could say that um that from when our sus started the Reb changed the tune. The tune used to be a was I spoke it was written printed bound in a book put on the shelf and nobody paid attention to whatever I said there. They should have asked a question. Usually there was no question on the Reb obviously, but that's what the Reb said that he what he said is there's a question that um but at that time so there there we go. We we told them that um there's going to be a new but who's going to ride the between Shabas Mishim to next Shabasan. Uh I was walking with David Feldman to his apartment. It was a bach of course I think on crown street and uh suddenly I knew he was very very upset. There was no way to talk to him about coming back to ride the secrets but at that point suddenly he told me says here since already um this thing broke out so I'm joining you. I I can't say over how my heart was jumping dancing from joy that from he came upstairs and we started working. He would write mostly was supposed to do the rash for a short time. He did the Russia series uh and I together with um Yankim Yanime Wahberg I'm mixing up Yakush and Goldberg Yakime Wahberg uh would do the Marmis and later on uh was mostly me the same thing I did the Maramus on the sir also on the my talking about simple March famous uh when you write a mimer obviously the which the rabbi is basing the mimer the the person writes the mimer is supposed to know but all other side things that are mentioned now making the march >> how do you make manus yeah how does that work >> making the march um >> today we know how to make marchus you google forget about hey today we have we have many books in our time there was for Samsukim there was a book it still exists called concordancia um how do you say it in English >> I know concordans >> whatever I think actually I don't believe even it was made by yid I think it was made by uh by an >> I have one I have one >> is based on uh it's interesting thing. I still keep that book. It's one of the interesting books from the olden times. The mile of that book is that you could found every word based on the sherish. As we all know, the Reb usually did not repeat the way they are in or the even said once explanation for it. Maybe because Bal say the reb himself. >> I think the Reb said uh that's why I heard I don't remember. if it was in my time. So we're able to find just uh for a joke besides one posik that simply we had no clue uh was there was a posik that says nika shu luf dal but it's a posik that today I'm sure you know that pik but uh we didn't know that and when you hear the tape or whatever it is it sounded to me at least maybe le nikad shif dog and therefore uh there was no way to find I remember a story I always testim I tell them what's the first half um I asked them what's the first half Pik of that poss on the tape there was someone once who wrote from the tape and not being able to understand the Reb says he thought the Reb is saying and he put a question mark he put a question mark that could happen of course the reb once said about that the way he would know where a is because he brought Sanhedrin >> yeah anyhow so this was this was had a congred when it comes to my kazal there's a three volume book called vapism that already existed before my time. We also bought those three swarm. The only problem is that in this you u you have to know the lotion of the kazal. It's alphabetically ordered but you have to know the sentence. And since the reb usually would not say over kazal uh >> the whole thing >> the whole thing or the sentence. So it was quite hard. Later on we found out was another book at Pisal I think in downstairs in the Shane in the library of uh Shane the library of downstairs 770 but we did we at that time didn't know about it so we had then we had another book called Pisgazal I think it was called um it was called um a that one was set up according also three volumes according to topics. So you would go through the whole topic that this era or another er maybe you were able to find wasn't easy. Obviously the encyclopedia you have for the past 30 years or so or more and didn't exist at least we didn't know. I do remember that what you call today was Shuchu's Barilan Barlan University but it was something people didn't have only I think yeshiva university here had uh that program I remember that Ma winner the mahabasim zoken would go to them to get staff and for them it was a lot of money but you needed one word they would print out 50 pages you had to pay because that word would me was mentioned even though not necessarily needed everything and also march kazal was much harder. Um just rarely when it was a very hard kazal I would go up to the library uh upstairs in the kaou in the back of 770 they had a very good library which was donated by the balker of Mikaslavin Mal Slavin Leishas's father that passed away I think lament bays in accident and there was a lot of goods for him but we didn't really have access there but only from time to time there was also no time the sus everything was done under pressure of time to finish >> also the manus weren't done like mameish everything >> no whatever we knew >> yeah I'm saying >> obviously things that the rabbi didn't say or the we didn't even try >> way the rebb sometimes helped you because in the rebel say like very often in the in in the in the when in theb says where it is right >> yeah but if the says First of all, you have to have a free safer there. It's not always on the pro. >> Mhm. Um uh concerning the here I have um we talked we talked before about the so here it's the quoted the way the said it on the tape according to the we found expression and he he marks the where where it says is in Bameid in Med happened to be the that for bringing and after it was printed the rebel looked it over and made a few corrections not yeah but it made here and there >> that happened often >> sometimes not so many not so many times no throughout all those years um he could be I don't know a few times were so happy and the rebed simply shabas have a says So the expression was different that's why I couldn't find it in the mirror and yeah so this how we now we have to remind all um where do we look for them the first and was given out by Rabbi Munchin at the end of VV which is the end of a year already doing the second volume came out in 1980 Um concerning uh so there was nowhere to look like this. You could find where the rabbit there is in the back of but this is not could be considered a m it's like now um when it came to I think the only maf is before your times also. >> Yeah they had a little would write man became or you give to someone else. You're talking about whoever worked that time would uh maybe was Shapiro would look up and the same thing again you know uh the thing was also that besides looking you have to make sure that what you write in the says in the reb was screaming about we learned from the rebb we never without looking inside. The Reb always would look inside. I never even though came he knew all of them but he asked to check the maps unless he would ask for take out a book from the shafer was there the don't say we learned from the rebu obviously we knew most of marist of sukim the reb said like all the sukim said we knew them already where they from so many times but never did I at least without looking uh inside. When it came to there was actually um much harder. I think there was one maf I read big book was printed that the reb had over there the mas he gave out to based on whatever he had in the time when he made that m uh maybe another few of the musim of course we would ask someone like wasn't so easy uh to bother for things like this sharonov maybe um Now concerning asking the rebba uh I'll finish I'll go back to the technical uh maris in general of course you didn't ask the rebus not only maris didn't ask the rebba most if you had a question if you were able to get away without asking the rebba we of course did not the people that write down did not ask of course not maris doesn't come in consideration there were rarely times that uh either we asked the rebels which means we didn't ask where this says we gave you that page where the thing it says there with a question mark on the side asking go to show to the reb you know and uh important things and sometimes it happened after the thing was printed and something was saying there and marime was wrong or missing and the reb wrote on the side for instance um there's certain moment came. So we had no choice like it's not just the Reb says a um or something I'm sorry by the way like in the what that famous Reb's instruction that if you don't find take it out this was for instance the Reb said in the Reb said he spoke about the famous and then said he continued finishing the it says the number of is that it says that his name is that Mashiach's name is of course in we didn't find anything we asked something the Reb but that page we had to give in just that page itself the way was ready to be printed no not connection begin again and the reb added a bunch of lines it's most popular days everything is publicized a whole thing just to leave what he said. >> Mhm. >> But he added that it's in with the whole uh explanation to bring out that that there is why he said that it should be like this basically for it. >> Huh? >> There is a marker for it. >> Yeah. He says he's using the expression is based on the result but he's using doesn't say in famous sugia he's using blion of Sanhedrin for instance um in a mimer this very interesting this already that that they wrote in a mimer I think so the rebs that uh shisha sidra Mishna is um they come out from the shisha midday the six spheres of lo as alterba brings in the in simply as the which you know not everyone was brok I I could tell you one thing today Most people uh the people who worked in of course know the Tanya upside down uh and the reb but they couldn't maybe doesn't say exactly I don't know I didn't look it up now answered I'm referring to the second in the end of a lot of there like there was a of and they're interesting enough this was a week the faban is the same like that one the whole The Reb mentioned about something he said as known the explanation in means the book writing they must have found that it was easier in the wrote and they put a footnote which page but answered says on purpose I did not say that I'm referring to these already exists and an earlier source in bira of the which said is called means the reb and that's why he said bira and the bira was printed by the rabb Here's for instance um a very very interesting thing that happened also weekday from the tape um in when they prepared in the Reb mentioned about uh something uh the way the way we printed the the way we prepared we wrote mitzvah. There's a suggest the rash. Has he known what Russia says? I mean, who is supposed to know what Russia says? Which Rash? And we asked the Reb. This surprisingly enough the Reb asked please copy and send me in the few lines from the tape the way I spoke which this thing is in the middle of those few lines I without thinking twice I ran fast I took my uh rashima of the tape that I typed I typed over those 10 lines gave it into without I guess the people had to look didn't look and didn't realize there's any difference. And the Reb circled around that word for word transcript from the tape and he write he writes I didn't say I said and that's the way that's the way you wrote it. You wrote >> No, we by mistake wrote and we had no clue because obviously we looked at Shabas. >> No, I'm saying in the in the in the transcript of the tape you wrote >> on the tape said but we we didn't pay attention. I'm sorry to say that says it was a mistake but the kind of of must have been surprised I got to see what did I say and uh we gave it in. Reb says here he circled around I said not. So in the transcript it did say >> he said properly and then said this is the rash I refer to you know >> um a few of the interesting things >> who is writing all of this David Feldman >> um yes this is those years everything is uh throughout all the years besides a short time that the Russia were written by David Olidor so who's writing to the debate all these things. >> Uh yeah. Yes. Yes. In the memorial would it would be in the sess would be feldman. Of course, sometimes he would talk it over with with Ravier or with other people. Uh again, we only he would only ask questions that you you you can't write. It's basic things. It's negated to the bureau. U talking about the Reb's corrections. There's also very interesting is besides everything the main thing is the rebel and for instance here was a mimer of shin the mimer the reb was mia was not even given in double space was given in single space like kind of anrois without misus was written by and the reb mentioned the lmani The wipes off the scenes and then says it says twice and then goes on and explanation what's leani uh you know when you copy a altogether two words why would you take them out for two words to write a game so the way it was written was twice written in that page the reb circled them around both and took them out the two words he said instead we should put in a gamer and the rebro on the side on purpose I did not say those two words if I may add simple explanation this was it wasn't necessary for the be was you don't mention anything of in the ding of shus of sham things like this um there's a famous one also that wrote This is a Yeah, another one. But >> yeah, that one's very famous. >> Yeah. Yeah. Which again, how you supposed to write a sentence? You can't blame people, right? What are you going to write? >> Right. >> What? But >> is the way it is. If the Reb quotes, you know, a few words from they'll write the whole thing. >> Not the whole. write a minimum a complete sentence something. That's the style of >> Yeah. And you wouldn't think it would make a would make a difference even in mug >> as as we know. By the way, another thing as we know um that the Reb, we learned it from the Reb when you make corrections, you do not erase the name. You circle it around and take it out. Also uh the Reb never erased a name of a person even when the Reb would take out his for other people I've seen uh will mention names in those uh had all the stories all the about from the and the of the would take out names he wouldn't erase them here is very interesting holy one that the mimemer the Reb wanted to er Take out the words. You know, this is not the name that you're not supposed to erase. It's not a person's name. What do we know whatus is? The Reb did not erase it twice. He just took it out uh circling it around and taking it out to the side. Um concerning uh and this something uh you say this concerning March. Um so the rebas sometimes reb something you got to take it out if you don't find the for in this I think over there in the mime it says the reb says as as my father-in-law the fic reb writes that all also women are obligated learning. Obviously there was a number there but in those years there was no way in the world to find it. I think I went to Rabbi Weinberg he says he remembers that there was in Poland whether it was in at somewhere letters to Frederick but there was no way for us. was much years before the eagle skater started coming out. Where you going to go search for that? uh was left empty and the Reb wrote yesto albonis al said there's a printed letter to to ri that organization we know now today everything is there there was organization kabad in ri and f and the letter was printed in those years but doesn't mean anything it's still existed in our time for sure. Not maybe in the rebro if you don't find the to take out the whole and also the number. Don't forget to take out the number. Don't leave a number inside which refers to the bottom. And then they wrote to the Reb, they found a letter, similar letter or something. But the Reb said this is not what he's talking about because he doesn't mention about learning. It's a letter to the to the bonus about their activities but doesn't say that they're obligated. Reb says, "No, take out the I would like to um Okay, since we're in Marus, I wanted to go back to some technos. We'll continue. Uh here's a very interesting clawless decay instruction, a general instruction by the Reb concerning Marameis in the Shabores. Again, it's from a tape. Uh the Reb says there he spoke about the famous Moshel. The Reb calls it always the mush of the liver. That thing that you lift that you want to lift lift a building. You start from the bottom then you could lift the whole the top floor also. But the Reb mentioned there that motel of of lifting ab from the bottom and he connected it with trades. But the question was whether the source what the Rabb is referring to is the famous mimer in ter in the beginning of ter or inov which it says differently over there it says doesn't say liver it says a different word in in jargon something. So the rebba answered there as follow. He says when you make says there are several categories under several intentions what theb has when he says in one reason for he wanted where is the source of what you said. The second one is you want to expand and deepen the understanding of bying to a place that says in that case not necessarily where it says like this I could be to a opposite which from there you could take out a detail or a something addition we Remember sometimes for bringing that on purpose. It says the opposite to see if people will will catch and uh there was something um the Reb said it's a very interesting thing. It's concerning about the Reb said something and a certain explanation and uh they asked the Reb that in the famous letter of the Fredb printed in it says something differently. It wasn't actually the only time that we asked the Reb that here he spoke like this and here he spoke differently. So the answered I ponyim there's 70 ways to learn terra and you people found in this case two and you're surprised there's two I remember a similar thing the par I think it's the first time the spoken it was then that piece was um and said this is then another year said differently And we asked a question that says over there differently and I've answered kind of if I repeat again the same thing I said before what's what's the point is brought to you by we live in a chaotic world a world where for us we do not have the ability to hear and see the on a daily basis yet we know that theb is very much with us and is alive and thriving more than ever before. One needs to only tap into it. Provides you and your family with the tools necessary to tap into all of this. Whether it's the monthly magazine, the way it all began, whether it's their hair books, their hair online content, and so much more. Men, women, and children throughout the world benefit and use these tools on a daily basis. 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So about it's a lot very fascinating about the manus the whole idea is to know like it's like not a common thing. Maybe today it is but you know definitely wasn't then to have manus. Yeah, actually not only the idea of making maris is much the reb's way also the style how to say mar is like that uh you make the the the chapter a kama and then the pik is like bober and people like this more modern people that made their work properly they are the ones who did I'm sorry to say technical way they did very good books uh when it comes to sources of things. So what about um what about from the whatever answers from the Reb about uh about like the sign and the way the are written and things like that. The Reb wanted that anything written, it doesn't matter what he spoke, what you what you're writing is for people to read, to publicize, it has to be written well in an organized way, beginning and end, things should make sense. And one of the things the rabbi didn't like when it it looked to him that um what was written is kind of very close to a a word toward the transcript even though this was written kadesh. a few samples here and one of the memory that the Reb uh was Miette, but the Reb wrote on top that the sign that the way it was written the the signon the style of writing is shocking and in parenthesis that is practically copied word for word of of the tape I actually that mimer because of the being so um so sharp about it even though thoroughly we did not printed we asked that time he was to rewrite it was done but it was given in again but uh most probably the reb doesn't have time to work twice on something >> so that m was never put out with the debz Uh I think later on in the terrace they put it in in the office they added all the rabbis corrections into the mimemer the way it's written well. >> Mhm. >> Uh some other mimer. This is from the Reb kind of commented. It wasn't prepared by Rael. The Reb commented Mer. It's written in in a strange kadesh. You're talking about my reb this is a different topic than >> No no I'm talking in the years of the secret not in the project of the memorial which started inv I'm talking >> so sometimes here and there >> so sometimes the reb would take a of the memorial and decide to to on his own >> there there was two ways yeah it happened sometimes that han was given in and lucky enough. We didn't think to give it in MG. didn't have the in that case we would have to type it kill double space make it easier make better maris uh but most times we didn't do that from time to time it was a special mimer would come and decide to write up the mimer and give it into the reb sometimes reb sometimes not but some sometimes the rebba wanted to be mia mimemer were good or not good he was mad but he wasn't so happy and and this mimemer Uh the Reb added the word an it was obvious that the Reb meant to be Mad and we did give it in and the Reb put the date on the Povo. Um in general a lot of times that the reb's expression concerning his aos the reb would say that when I fix it doesn't mean there was after I fix this is good like here's one expression and explanation on Russia that was written up based on the reb's answers and the reb wrote the sign the style of writing is funny I took out only fix the most important which means when the Reb fixes it doesn't mean that the whole thing is completely good. I mean it's mugged it's printed. Um here's interesting of of things that um >> and this is for the hanas that that had some here's even in the mug they were prepared and according to the ro of the rabbi beginning after sim rabbi go given over to rail was the man that wants should give him in >> after the heart attack >> that they should give him in uh the In the for the Reb says as this and this is it brings out the specialty of a way they wrote it in Hebrew it's expressed is and the Reb said on it I mean I don't know if Re would have another way to to write over those words in in in in Yiddish. Um in in Kadesh. But the Reb wrote in that did you ever find this expression something similar which we all know in a lot of the memorial the beginning of the paragraph is >> Mhm. And it's normal language but here was a mimer basuk stru came out into that the reb circled around in two paragraphs over there it says this is also the the connection now mind you sh is loa but nobody wrote voui it's like you know we're not used that but the rebu vizoui. Why would I write vizoui? But the Reb commented on the two times in the two paragraphs one after the other he circled that and he writes like this. There's a whole beginning of about the difference something that is written in lotion of to those people they couldn't care about it. I'm sure that time they they fixed it visi was very unusual to write in a mimer visoui but I was going to say that you do see it I guess it was afterwards after this time it could be for also but usually >> what h do you remember what changed miss >> I don't remember it could be checked right away >> in the m but I I didn't check at this moment and one of the sikas Now concerning the way to write a uh translation and this is very important for today's day uh where people are giving out supposedly aan a transcript from tape is something else when you make a in Hebrew and you write word for word here's what the reb wrote and one of the sikas of the ear of our earlier years I'm talking about those years. I said several times that the intention of capping something is the people should understand the contents of what was spoken. There's no point on being exact copying word for word which once you do that it's not anymore that could be read. It's rather it's a list where you copied words. It's not a anymore. It's not readable. Says there's a must that you should translate is free translation what's called this has to be done by someone who knows the language and the digduk to write it properly and someone who knows the language of writing things of terra not of newspapers. >> What's the lesson? Yes, >> that's that's what's the CL. I want to go back a little bit um to um to the technical uh part. Uh in all those years from when we started from a good friend of mine, Ari Vice would be the typist. Those were tai brothers of course till the end of meai in 1987 there were no computers at least that time started them as a different kind but I'm talking about the regular so was a typewriter uh he would situs on in the day he would sit the whole night or whatever is 12 hours non-stop not practic not getting up from his chair he was a good typist um and then Um later on the size of Danus all the years was 8 12 by 11 and you would staple it in the corner. Um one time sometimes the end of Zion sometimes that time um Shiv had come back from Poland. He was sent over by the Reb to get out Frederick Rabb's library. when he came back he um he the library arrived later the reb went before the reb came out from 77 he went without anybody seeing just a few people to the library to check it um the reb I guess by the room the reb gave him the han the mimer of shabas with the mimer the reb brought with kadesh bashmer shab kadesh and signed his name and the Reb told them when we heard that the which we didn't consider our to be anything we were kind of embarrassed it was done for the people when we heard that the Reb gives it and signs his name on it we decided we're going to change the size make it a more normal acceptable size not a page like this 8 and 1 half by 11 but a pamphlet and the Reb was asked like to give it out the exact rabbi what size they want to make it like the regular size of of which is a little bit bigger than 8 and 1 half by 11 folded something like this take an 8 9 by 11 folded uh the Reb did not agree but something the Reb wrote something like uh it seemed that the Reb agreed to part of it but not fully. We already had asked the Reb. Then we decided to um to ask the Reb and we wrote everything the sizes everything was written to the Reb how it's going to look and we started making it from then which is from Shabasan Tubov because we found out that information a little bit later the Fabring started coming out in the size was called the 6 by9 actually uh 6 12 by 9 and a half this if you have not cage you have the original ones that were bound in lame lame me from the third volume of of of it's a different size. >> So you were publishing Moso then >> that's what's interesting. No, by so by the end of the year practically people that bought us every time it came out came up to us. They brought us out their single sikas and if they were missing something if we still had it we put it in and we took all the sikas put them together practically you would have the bas name written on top of each and uh we gave it to those cats book binding the famous book binding in Williamsburg they did the rabbis they would do everything you needed something nice with a hard coverver binding was very expensive was each book was done by hand and we bounded for the bim the same thing lit lame after that never was there a complete year. Lame also missing a little bit. Uh but the marmicus was still done inside the in parenthesis which disturbs the reading as everyone knows. Also when you write the maramokim inside you can't write a lengthy or two maramas you have to make it as short as possible it uh doesn't let you >> why was that done because typewriter you can't do it in the bann of all it wasn't easy look when you look today they're giving out now all the from the early years the the pimilia they invaded everything put in inside till started doing on the bottom. How do you make on a typewriter hagas on the bottom? It's not easy. You have to calculate how much text to type on top, which means you first type up the marus separately and you keep on typing the inside and keep on putting on the bottom your page measuring do I still have time to add another line inside so it should fit on the bottom. >> Mhm. were inside at that time happened to be after the which the spoke that time about uh about pre prime minister begging and came out a while a little bit later was the whole and we should give it out in a madur basa uh I don't think maybe it was given over to us not in print. So we redid retyped the whole faban took out the words on the cover. We added big words and I if I'm not mistaken the marked off that we should put down the he put numbers we should put them on the bottom. was another like this >> I don't understand. So why was >> nob after it was printed as built the whole >> so but we didn't give it in type setting I'm sorry to explain we didn't do it type setting like regular like whatever we just retyped it on a type of that whole >> why didn't you do like >> maybe we I don't remember now if was that it wasn't whatever not always with things clear sometimes for instance Um there were times the rebels a few says no this is not to be printed. He called it the rebels means just not fully just sometimes we did we use the the famous saying uh when a person gives you a finger he grabbed the whole hand. If the Reb made a few corrections we took the guts and types it and gave it in. If we're lucky, the reb put his stamp on it and hey, you have a mug. That one we retyped it and we put the horse on the bottom. But we used for each one a separate line shortly thereafter. We decided we got to start doing the all the hanokas with the marmis on the bottom. But of course, we made the march typed consecutively like one with the maramokim and then two. And the same thing would type up a whole page or two with all the cameas and arise would keep on typing the measure to see how much do I have to leave to be able later to to type up on the bottom what I typed already there. should fit in. Um and but there was also issue unlike the the the what's coming out now that first council could see those green pamphlets. How did you make a number for a footnote? You had to type a number lift a tiny bit the role of the type numbers a little bit higher but the numbers are very big. We couldn't have this. So we went and to a printer to whether it was Empire Press or Fusion Goldberg and they typed us up a sheet of numbers from one to 200 or to 300. We took that sheet and made very sharp good photo copies of it and then we would um we had a machines called a waxer. We put in wax it was plugged in would melt the wax. That's how the old was done. How do you pay stop the columns and the bottom the orus? It didn't come like this from the computer till who knows when. So we would >> saying if it's before print it would be stuck on. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sure. And figure out you uh the guy would have the whole roll of the s on his shoulder. Take a look how much fits inside how much the other came where do I stop and like this kept on pasting it on. So we did the same and we would have to cut the numbers tiny. Each number took up very little place. Exactly. No space. There's a special knife for that. And carefully take that number with our finger with a nail and put it on there and press it down hard. It shouldn't fall off. And by typing, we didn't leave a whole space empty. We would leave you go the type of halfway back to um to uh leave enough space if it's one number, two numbers. I like this whole s and of course if you would sometimes later after it was printed or even before if you weren't careful the number would fall off and would end up having a sik it it actually happened once this was a interesting story that um >> one second the but the started having at the bottom >> yes from that on right after the happened the story of so we started making small pamphlets in as I said in toshin >> that's the way it's printed in is printed like that >> yeah the big pages they enlarge it but of course it's like this >> look okay >> maybe some but they already printed from a printed one numbers couldn't fall off but the original was was a problem >> okay so what happened so the number fell off >> no it happened one this okay happens happens it happened once a suddenly asked that he wants to be the forbran yet wasn't written up. It was written up. The whole was written up by Raov Feldman typed but by the typist he was only up to like the first 10 15 pages and as it is 108 we gave him in the part that was already a photocopy of the part that was already typed up nice and the rest was a double space the way it is typed with inside and actually whole thing but we didn't realize I mean we wouldn't even think was said we should give him right away that the 10 15 pages that were given to the Reb, the typed ones. It was the fing wasn't finished. So there were no numbers there. There were footnotes on the bottom with numbers and the Reb wrote there. It's missing inside where the where belongs the number. We didn't realize that or even if he would, we couldn't hold it back to do it. Uh um >> because you do manus at the end. >> No, but before he starts, >> see the numbers are put in later. Yeah. The last thing where you finish the whole you start pasting in. >> Yeah. >> Uh at that time there was >> that's how you do it today too. >> What? >> Today too you wait till the last version till you uh >> No, you could make before then you take gets updated automatically. Everything >> it gets complicated. Okay. Whatever. >> Yeah. >> It depends if if you work with word everything is automatic. One of the reason I still work with W even though nobody does this because it updates the numbers. It shouldn't be a mistake. In the other program tag, I don't know what lack uses today. Tag. Um, when you make a double number in word, he has cross reference. >> Mhm. >> You catch the same number. In their program, sometimes you see there's a double number. It's the wrong one cuz later numbers were were added and all the numbers got advanced. But this number stayed u the wrong one. Okay, we'll uh we'll go back. Um now even before the contra of the winter what you call the came out called even before that the reb time when the rabbi is the adds allegian or on the on the pages what were by the end and the way you add it is with a star or with two stars or with three stars then later you have to straighten it out. Actually when you look in the time before computers there are chemist with stars because the added and there was no way to retype set the whole because the numbers changed it would cost too much money. But since uh you could always see in a when there's a star, you could figure that the one with a star is not the horror the Reb added, but another one. They didn't want people to know which horror the Reb added. They would change around a few numbers. So, but you could recognize always which one is the Reb, which one is not. >> So, the star, >> but the Reb didn't like the stars. Isn't the star like and that's andorillian there there's no choice mostly it's one star two stars three stars but at least the numbers inside and all the horror should be uh insisted we should straighten out uh take out the >> didn't like it >> yes um >> the full of it >> in what is full of stars >> in those years there was no way to do it was It was before computers. Mhm. >> Um I'm talking about before even uh when word came out I mean word came out I think to shindal even when msdas came out but still the way the secrets were done msdas was looked like a typer it spread it out it wasn't types the type set was still done by a machine called am var typer the machine costed $100,000 uh >> you say would be too much work, >> right? To redo the whole to redo everything. >> That's but if there would be a lot of I guess they would redo um so for instance and also as old Reban knew there's nobody responsible kind he has to take care of all the technical things not I mean the reb could have known already mostly but he didn't rely on it. So for instance, which came out on top, take out the stars, put them in improper order >> as hard as >> one, two, three, shouldn't be one with a star. Also after the rebels get the first time, Rabel would add more things based on what the Reba fixed, he would have to ask add this or that or and so on. There was tons of stars like >> asterk. >> What? >> It's called an aster. >> Asterric. Yeah, I gave you v. >> Yeah. Yeah, you said it >> good. Nine. I'm sorry. I didn't go to all. I don't speak English. which I never um and again in that same mimer which came out for the sukusion in the pard again the reb wrote not the paper attached again again remind us remember take out theim and make the numbers one after the There was a a a issue with the M is that >> one second when >> so when the reb was all done through basically >> the has a say that's separate and then but then then the >> current yes that was doing it through >> it happened rarely here and there that uh they were busy could The famous 80 years whatever is how many years was it was 80 years >> 80 years spoke >> I think whatever the famous and that time prepared it so they prepared >> so once in a while the >> if they would prepare It rarely happened. They they were busy enough. Um so the Reb would ask to now the especially when it was the reb so the Mus were very small just every number was like a post a small and especially when the mimer is is is a full column it's not two columns like he looks on the bottom it's all empty and the rabbit didn't like it. He wanted the Mus should go one after the other. For instance, um was to going back to not only did the Reb say the Reb went himself. It was the typed one before the type setting. He went with a pen attached every end of the previous to the next one. every horror like the 20 horse or so were there he attached them for instance even in the later of so of the one after the other consecutively one next to the other and then again shortly thereafter since the reb thought he might not do it the reb wrote not in separate lines If you're making it in a format cotton which means either you're going to print uh children's come out a little booklet it's also wide uh then they had asked the reb that what they're giving in is actually they're making it a regular wide format like a regular surface a full width of 26 spas if you know what that is and therefore they asked the rabbit could they leave the mus like this and the Reb says no since you're not doing in two columns by two columns doesn't look empty actually I think to Nandal already existed uh a program for word a little bit later that was called um hame word was a guy in winners he would sell for them he sells he sells also that a lot of these programs for years existed a program but we at least didn't even have all the years that program. So the Reb wrote that since it's in one not in two columns so you should still do the Now we're going to go to the so-called keta of the part of the REB spoke about or other topics not um directly Russia so >> the world the world the worldly topics >> it started uh the first time the rebal talk about that they understood the rabbi speaking about was shabas I think even as shabas before started speaking mikas but it wasn't so >> before that the never spoke about general >> it was but not so look in the years every spoke about moodi but those things first of mostly didn't come out And uh mind you I don't even think by those >> he didn't >> he didn't and people that said there when didn't nobody else was going to in front of that I that's that's obvious um when says sometimes he stops he would ask whether was I'm talking about even the later years of Feldman usually would say if he um nobody was going to say okay now this I'm going to say this didn't exist he was the they wouldn't have to do it either and also it started started speaking about the mat and that part of course uh would go in in the by the way in all the time later this part could have been a half hour there were times later on that the part about was 45 minutes over an hour and even in the time when it was 45 minutes sometimes it could have been that in quantity in amount of pages the would amount to half of the amount of a whole faban but this was part of the fabring and uh we did it sometimes before uh Rabikov approached uh one of us and gave over that the Reb said I mean obviously the name of the Reb that what the Reb speaks about was does not belong in the to us this was the end of the world it's like was a decree that we're not going to put in big part of the so we asked them I mean how are the people in the world going to know what the Reb spoke so he says those that need to know will Oh, I I guess he was referring to someone. What's Chabas calling? First there were recordings, but he referred to someone uh calling after Shabas giving over to to Ber Kavul, which was a spokesman. And now we we somehow uh kind of begged for life. We and we suggested that we're not going to put it in in the part of Fabranga, but separately as Aeta actually this >> what's it called? It's called >> it's called in every Fabranga. You go by the back starting from on you have the whole after that it starts somewhere the politics I'm start to call it politics was and it actually it helped because um like this you could finish much faster you could leave the ket for a month later you know when you'll have time it start didn't stop giving out the interesting enough that already I'm sorry the first time the spoke pushing and uh at that time already the rebels the part about the >> but the rebs not to put it in >> but we most probably thought that because it's coming out the doesn't want that should be it should be we I think we typed it up separately as without the word spoke a bunch of times >> every time in MS was like there was sometimes by the by the avoid like but every time you know it was mish it was always like that it was always separate. >> Yeah. From then on it started being separate in hanm when when the reb would add sometimes in savvy kadesh uh a piece like they asked a question they didn't understand and the reb would answer kind the reason also is because I I didn't say everything and the reb would add a whole piece and sometimes the reb would give the instruction that this piece you should put it in put it out in yiddish right up as normal part because it's it's a major part of the beer. But on the other hand, it happened for instance in Shabas which was a weekday for and uh a paragraph was prepared important paragraph to the understanding of the s prepared based on the reb's answers in Saviad and that time the Reb wrote Harama tape exclamation marks several people have a tape how could you add this piece of uh there's a tape And therefore the says all above you should add in written of course and because it's >> I have a question. >> Yes. >> All these answers you have them or the other people had them. >> I everything written here I have photo copies. >> So you kept everything from then basically. >> What do you mean? But the people in got copies from No, they got always kadesh here and there maybe something tiny. Um never even got to us that the Reb was Mia. >> So someone has all these uh answers. >> Yes. Yes, I'm sure. women. Yeah, I have uh mostly I have copies most not everything. I mean uh mind you there were no copy machines. I don't have to tell you that. Maybe it is. Forget about mosquito. We when we used to print the circus ourselves there was a plate maker. It wasn't metal plates with negatives. It was a machine like a copy machine that had a roll of thermal paper it's called but that was not a regular copy used to be thermal paper. It's a kind of copies that if you open it up after a few years it's gone all what was written on it. That's one issue. But for the printing, this was a play a heavier role that you would make a picture of the page and that you would put on the machine. But since that wasn't metal, it was only able to print a few hundred before it disintegrates, falls apart. Uh but that's too much of the technical things. Um uh concerning the pas do of the mug cases used to be a style we copied what was in the olden years we type up whatever and the regular lotion used to be that um would be that would be paragraph we hereby give out this said this and this for next paragraph would say that the added im famous which come on the on the bottom. Um which is the dated we all know usually dated that time and after that was the heart attack. Um but in that s the >> Reb give all the dates for all the >> you tried to get the date which here's in order to give the date you gave in the pesovo when you gave in the gallis for the second time but at a later stage uh when it was only one ago you had to remember always to give in the pesovo when you're giving in the first time and therefore uh much later not from not from my time and also not from Lahak uh from the later years. Uh some of them I could imagine that uh I'm just guessing that the date is not even the rabbis because they never managed to give in in the the magazine we when we have the date in the in the editorial. So we we always use a date that the gave. >> Oh yeah. >> Sends me a date every month before we go to pray. >> That's that's how we do it. >> That's very nice. I'm happy to hear that. And now must be the rabbi took out that time the whole paragraph took it out even though the rabbi did put horos and from then they stopped but we stopped it only contraim but when suddenly the rebels unusual so this already not what they send in contraim so we must have taken looked at another pastor and that thing stayed again back then for instance by pun we realized that we took it out but then later uh here and Because not always the the pressure of work was that sometimes we didn't remember what happened. Uh when the work so pressuring that when you're doing next thing you forgot what happened yesterday because you can't see working this the way it was. Um at the time later I saw already much later that the Reb corrected that paragraph. It said again and the Reb fixed as follow said they took out his name and he wrote valid for the benefit of the reader and learner. the March come on the bottom see nothing to do to him um several things about the memorial I'm talking about before the project of the memorial for instance the bosan zan um was prepared according to the reb's instruction shabas and moz shabas and the reb gave an instruction ction that the min inside should be the one that was said more pear everyone was able to see and hear to hear and the shabas the one the things he said shabas should be put on the bottom and speak prepared it like this wasn't easy we had to type up bottom and then chemist on the bottom calculate everything where this number goes for here like we have chemist for the for keep track and we didn't think the Reb was going to be Mia at that time. It was typed up regular in a small format which was uh the memorum were always like it's called legal which is 8 and 1 half by 14 bent in half with the small size of the books of the memorum and uh we were going to printed it was going to be printed next day I'm sorry to say on my own I had enough I ran we had no copy machine as I told you I ran upstairs in the ka in the back 70 I made a copy of those little pages and without asking anybody's permission I gave it to Rabbi Gro to give it to the rabbis kind of we're going to print it and lucky enough next morning the m came out and it was mugik so was to another the gave out that mime to theim they were going to this was the second group of I think I don't remember. Um all those weeks spoke from the room. So there was a very obvious mimer. There was no specific part of the SA that the way it looks to my eyes that was a mimer. But Raona gave over a name of the Reb that he should make a mimer and the mimer is supposed to be based on um and that's in those years most of them >> I mean spoke just one thing one long thing there was no right >> it's a different whole story. I'm see was it's interesting that when the Reb started for bringing finally um downstairs he started again saying I think even though before that used to be because the Reb was proving that he's healthy. Um even they they weren't going to give in for bra said they should give in. They thought that's it. It's going to be another break now after two years like times before every two years was was a break. Interesting. >> That's your uh that's your uh >> mind you feel >> yeah I guess yeah >> everyone knew that uh that's it. No, I'm saying about the motor. Why did I be switched? >> It's it's very interesting because later on went back to >> I know this is for for people to say her it's not my line. Interesting. which spoke about at that night early in the morning from they called Bura Wolf in he was the the spokesman to the newspapers and he was asked by the reb's instruction to wait till he publicizes what the reb says because the reb is going to add another part the reb wrote a whole bunch of kadesh but uh most probably Khan never got a hold It's not the only thing that for some reason they didn't think they have to give it over to him and it's not included otherwise it would have been included in the too. Maybe they found it much later it was printed in in the magazine. One of the integral components of being aid are theim and whether it's orim these days give us an opportunity to connect with ourim to connect with each other and be better. What is the story behind each of these days? How did the rabbi commemorate and celebrate these days? And most importantly, what are the lessons, the takeaways, and the action items needed for each of these days? 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Uh the whole period of time made the contraim uh the fellow went back to learn uh he would be here and there to help out. I would sit and type for so on so forth and then later after all things stopped he came back and then started again built of time again. Savis of course I think the reb told that the reb said we should give it in that was first a night was night from the room was a mime and a together was not but was planning to make a he didn't think the reb wants to make the whole and suddenly the starting it's all I think you could see it online here the said he just spoke yesterday it's missing in now in center whole thing and is already built has a structure and you have to start adding see him see him everything and then uh but that actually said before the rabbit took out the part of it's um a very interesting uh thing which we always know it's not I have one but that's something the said by the once he said it it's holy But you could see here for instance in theb had written in that it says that's what said and in says And then it says uh it says and maybe it should say or something and then it's already printed and the rabb settled that some were embarrassed that that it has to be hard. So the rebro to explain going around and around why the pro is the way he wrote and so on and so forth. Once the rebba said wrote um talking about the rebad there were times the rebba asked to give an ammer many times at many that the rebba asked it's completely holy theb asked to give an am we got instruction whether by or and we gave in and the rebb was not we'll never understand what for instance gave us that wants to the I think it was three of and of and wasn't we uh I think it was we gave in those and uh they didn't come out after a while uh well we didn't print it we're waiting maybe after a while I walked over obviously the I did the dirty work. I walked over to Raikov and I asked him uh so he says I should write it on the paper my request what I want. So um so we typed up a paper that according to the row we received from Rabbi I guess the Reb said um we should give it to my and we asking what to do now. You have to be very carefully write to the Reb. We asked the Reb what should we do now? The Reb's answer was something like this. Did you already ask him what to do? Did you already finish learning everything came out till now? At least part of it. This is this is uh what it is. Yeah. >> So it came out. >> No, the didn't give it out. >> They came out. >> Yeah. Then that's it. It's like all the times he used to ask a question. That's the way the regular language explains would around the world make a comment. He didn't understand ask you was a time they stopped and started writing a different language so not to get uh but this is part of part of the work. um a few um about talking about the today. Um this had nothing to do with came out of the the jubile of 50 years of the rabbis. It was I was working the but suddenly Rabon calls me and he tells me that the Reb said that if someone will prepare and give him in the mimer he'll be Mia. I was going to ask I ran to label Alen. I asked him to write it up. Actually, we found out years later whenever it was that the Reb had already that a white printed countress of all the built connected with and the Reb already had because which is a relative a good close friend of the Reb asked the Reb someone asked the name of the Reb told that person he could ask himself he could ask me and he asked and actually went on his mir not only my way it's written there like the way but we didn't know about it was already a go from the nobody told us and was and gave it out that mimer and actually in the pardo it says over there that the mimer is musid on the m of pest this was a beer on the m of pas But the Reb fixed in the pastor and he wrote like this the wrote over there like basically it's not the how do you know what's mus what not you are writing with the writing that we think it's not the first time the did the same and some other m like this even though in the m the way was at first it said of their be and the other part it says be also that of because this was obvious to everyone but the says how do you know what it is? This is this is my now um I would like to start about the memor project of theim. Uh so basically the so I spoke to about this that over the years there were various that were the whole the is basically those and then all the rest is the what you're calling the project of right sure even in in in that first volume I mean it's very interest right before sunset that the rabbi said and prepared it and was a big sales by the people that Friday night I'm saying my own Friday night in the back of whatever brings they were doing by wasling the people were hooked over there to her and was so hooked over there and standing and watching people that came out early came down early to goal shabas he walked And the people took time for the people to realize is coming in for shabas. And I had a feeling that time that because of that the reb actually the m came out after that. >> What's because what >> because the reb had so much see that people areing and the my own kind of see was to my reb wanted to get everywhere if possible tishov. Um I was upstairs. I wasn't working those years. Uh was sh day but I was there. It was a great in in Vad and they were printing. So I took one of those memor before it was yet the dirty one that he measures to see if it's folding properly printing on the proper place. I had one in my pocket a dirty mimer with ink and I was downstairs when the rabbi came up from kinis and walked came out from the elevator and he turned to label gr and he says is the mimer here already punk standing there so I grabbed out I had in my pocket I gave it to Rabi Groner to give it to the rebel later they gave him a good printed m and then I went uh to the airport we tried to find someone to try to get it somewhere in Canada ransom not so simple shv the rebels Even though it wasn't given in it was like given in but prepared it after that happened >> you're going to remember >> I'm going a few single ones >> but then the point is the whole v in those years only to my rebels I think put a few comments but they didn't come out as it's not printed as mugik the whole it's interesting that the there was like a sed obviously the started and stopped but there's a regular s the Ma but my mother didn't have any seder really >> no this was the seder was only after is to give in before to the reb I'll soon come to this whole ideal is you're preparing from years ago for this shabas >> my is after the rebu I'm talking everything what came out at the time the whole only two one the other one which was only found I don't know where it's none of my business was found after gimmel tamos um only a few memorial the whole of only one mug I'm talking everything before the project of the memor all together one mimer came out and only one more mimer in in in the project now um we always tried this was try to after whisking to get out from the rabbit something I wasn't already working in the since P time I got married >> since then around Niss time is a project I was still involved in things but I decided since coming up um uh that's going to be finished by found that maybe we should take the mining said by the completion of and give it in. This was of the style of I I'm not I don't write I worked it off very much and then fixed it. I typed it up and gave it in. A short while later um I meet Rabbi Goner. Rabbi Goner says who is asking for the m give out my m who is requesting it. I never heard of anything like this you know and someone else to request once he gives out what am I doing now? I went to pass away but it I mean you didn't realize that it was an interesting thing that you on your own gave you a minor >> the choice to give out whatever he wants but >> it never happened. I mean, usually there's a goof that that gives it to >> that that that wasn't I don't believe that was the issue. But why is the reb suddenly giving out the mimer? >> Mhm. >> So I went but I couldn't tell what exactly is going on here. This is all things that uh today you could share it. They share everything today. And I asked them I told him kind of something. What I asked from him was I need an empty stationary of biska with your signature on the bottom. I need to type up a letter there. He looked at me like suspicious. What am I trying to like something? He looked at me like I knew him from before. I knew him well. Uh but I kind of half words and he gave me I typed up at settle in his name that is asking the reb to the Reb and my lock my masle the mimer. Okay, we're preparing the m for second ago. Obviously it says yeah the takes and cuts off the whole um pas most of it writes simple as that and whatever the rest of it now uh what I do I asked what I do I told something and I said we decided we're going to tell our Minkitz you get the whole hagosha for all the contraim he's going to be asher for the simra and that was good enough after that I said to myself look if if for mimemer why not you stamos I had the mime I kept copies of things that Khan would give in other years or which never came out which I kept copies I had a m of sata which was prepared on the request of the which was prepared by Rabbi Alang and I took it as it is. Was so bad that uh at the time the Reb mentioned he was basing it on a mimer. We guessed we guessed it was because of it says that rebro that pro capital of when he passed away but we weren't sure but I just gave it in as I went was that time in the cat I came back and gave out the mug of course and tap he wrote the the like exclamation mark like of course I I added all the missing I updated Everything everything was already many minutes for this is this is 10 years later after that I decided you know also and then the rest is history and all those came to because uncorrectly in the safe you have the m of of of The two and the num and the mimer of sukus and the mimer all not with the name countress. The reb was shown I gave into the reb have it a shlat a big shlat printed countress. The reb approved it and actually was printed then but by the printing machine of anahak with the name countress. The same thing was the sukus was printed named countress and the same as but when the vad reprinted it because they needed to have the holy acus not the not the old the frank hill of the regular machines. So they changed the name the way they liked. Actually by the time they printed the mukat bay they already knew that this what the rebba wanted. They saw the rabbis continue him and I think and I spoke them lately to one of those people that they should put in all those memor also that a safer is not normal to start from it doesn't make sense I don't know maybe some reprinted even though they're it's irrelevant because we have the terasim um and then the rest is history started being uh of course the work was this was in addition to other work I also worked for a living it was day and night sitting with with Rabiel uh mostly at night something later I think in the late um also helped me out but I think most of those my most of them I typed I did a simple maris um to be able to be able to write wherever he had a place where was he going to see it sometimes in his office sometimes he came to my house. He came to my house. I sat the whole night not to be home. I was up with him just to keep him company and the few little pieces of silver we had in our chaff. Most probably didn't have doors with glass. In the morning everything was had to be shined again from a new my kids had no clue in the morning to ask who is this old man with a white beard sitting here all night. Uh but this is what it was. >> They need to be shined. You saying from the from the smoke >> from the smoke of the cigarettes the whole house was today it's it's unacceptable reel needed two things to to write a he would need cigarettes and something to eat which always meant sardines today they don't even sell in stores I guess it's not so healthy it's interesting it's actually very healthy >> you should take I talk about cigarettes that um >> the sardines >> after order he asked wants to buy a pack of cigarettes I said no now I'm not buying you anymore. Till now I had no choice. I had to provide the cigarettes but now I'm not buying you anymore cigarettes. Uh as um so like this uh we worked all the time put in a lot of time. Um it's it's something interesting. This was the m of that came out of Zion. Um this is also invol as it said over there on each one on the pard on top was typed. Um and that one with the gis the long papers that used to give to those time was 11 by 17 folded in half. Uh the rebro safe there is no time to again and there's no end to it. And then there was another piece written there about something specific and rebro that it seems that their opinion is that they have to explain in theorus of this every place in it says the word y and the of the everything could be explained and then the said also there's a of a year question mark in that letter in the horus is explained about the shita Uh at the time I I remember Rabiel did not exactly know if he was referring to the mimer even that there is vod in that mimemer. Could be there was something else that the rebi used this to write. I never went to verify to find out. I wouldn't be able to either. They wouldn't tell me. Um from I said helped out a lot. We ended up one time she said of some place on Montgomery. I don't remember. I remember the basement on crown close to uh New York Avenue. We sat there for quite a while and sometimes in the mime also is uh he was a fast typist a very young booker. Would help me out here and there sometimes a few times to type. Um now um now at the same time uh when I worked in Danas um I also besides making I also typed the transcripts word for word. I believe the first time was sometimes tam lad but mostly I started it from beginning of ladv everything till um till the last day 99% a few of them were typed by my good friend Leel he also knew type >> transcript of what >> word for word for in order to make >> the point is that after was made at least from middle of till the end when you finish you have the next to you you rewrite write edited properly. When you finish, you don't keep the transcript. Nobody thought it's going to come a time that people are going to want to learn Yiddish situ tape a video and and follow a transcript. Therefore, most of the sikas that I typed, I typed two copies with a carbon paper and everything went uh to the so-called Sheamus. Altogether I saved from those years like 2,000 pages happen to have a box which means that everything after I started typing from that but by I should have had everything but since I don't have anything so I have to continue all the years further also some people need it today digitally but uh >> the tapes have all of this >> yes but you have to redo and I sit and type I remember that because I typed it then and when you think about the amount of in the mems so I have everything finished the other ones have tons of them finished but there still so much work when you think how much work there's still to retype >> so you go you you've been going through all the >> I've been I I I now I I didn't do it anymore by order just for interesting >> why are you doing it for >> first of all have to be typed word for word I'm doing all the forak today um also they're doing it because I think one day people would like to have the transcript to be able to uh >> that's like the from you also right >> I did for him all the years uh gem I did all the years uh those are bits and pieces um >> so you're planning on on doing >> I am I am continuing non-stop. It's tons of work for an amount of time on the for of them. You have to have patience. It's not easy. When you see a ring and when a fing is short, you could type it much faster because you know it's going to take short it goes faster. When a fing is 50 pages in double space, 25 in single space or 30 or 35 uh this only just writing word for word from the end of me. >> I tried it once. I tried it once just for a st experiment. It's very difficult. Yeah. From the end of I have to say was already a computer but after MS DOS finished it went over word I gave someone to transfer all the secrets. Not all of them were transferred. Quite a bit of them I typed and they weren't transferred but most from the end of quite a bit. >> When when is AI going to be able to do it? I keep on asking people and I do follow I like to know things even though it's not my not my level of uh not my ballpark but I like to follow and I always ask people if you could do it from a tape because it's interesting I remember in the early 70s that by the airport went by the airport used to be office nobody sat there and you saw a machine was called date matrix there must be someone was typing somewhere else or speaking I don't some typing and he was typing the message here in this office I always I wish u it could be something for the tape something else. A lot of them I have on paper but you can't do it with that program because it's not so clear and the amount of mistakes will make it's not worth it to retype. I actually it's not negated to this but since you mentioned this uh for instance all the weekday fabans from yudalif till lammed is 1 1200 pages 8 and a half by 11 single space just ladv itself is like 700 pages lamemed which you think the rabbit spoke so little like the rabbits expressed herself says my mom read note seut what are we doing there in the office the light is on the whole night we didn't know we didn't pay attention that the rabbit has a window task and soon we found out the window sheet was by her sister by the rashag we never paid attention she was across the roof over there >> when I heard from my brother reported the rabbits and asked him what's going on the man for rank just 10 minutes why >> you were sitting in the library >> no in the office 788 from the apartment because officially the office is a short garage >> but we didn't pay attention of whose whose house this is I never looked my brother came and said that the rabbitson asked him he told the rabbitson it's my Buddha that's irrelevant but the rabbit said the man that seminar official was speaking 10 minutes after was there. So he explained of years preparing our go. When I heard that, you know what I did? I'm sorry to say. Next morning I went, we had no shades. I bought a shade. So the window should be closed. That's all I need. I should get some reporting. Yeah. >> Yeah. Reporting. >> Um so after that less itself is like 900 pages one year. Lame test is is over a thousand pages. So I I I took a little break. Alas and I started working only the pagus which means by now I typed up all the pagas of the year all days that are connected with all the fabranges of days connect in addition also purim also also shas also but basically on the order of the pagus and there's a lot of others which I did here and there still a lot of work I I I work as much as I could to do it. Um >> Okay. So I have are you you have more or or I have a question. I know you're also involved in the what was what was your involvement in that >> since I was working in at a certain point of vi asked me to come help him to work on on the letter. The sed was that the reb would dictate to raisel uh pract what the letter should be. Actually years later I guess couldn't hear so good. They even say there should be recordings from him and obviously if I would ever get a hold of a recording like this a letter is like four or five four pages. If you take a sik a half hour, you could make a nice beautiful sik I guess is written for newspaper and Mandel would I guess type up the the letter at home. He would add the introduction like I don't know whatever it is and then >> he would do the English and Yiddish. >> Uh one one second. No. So I um so we're going to the Reb would take the letter that Midell prepared which was and typed on onion skin paper which means there was an original plus onion skin paper but the Reb worked on onion skin paper and then again the Reb's corrections it depends how sharp the pencil were throughout all the years sometimes some sometimes you would get you were able this is an original stencil This is onion skin paper which a thin paper so you could type a few copies. >> This is a stencil. This is onion skin. This is >> onion skin paper which mean you put in a regular piece of paper and then you put a carbon paper. You could still buy it in the store. Maybe they still sell the carbon paper. And then another one or two of this so you have a copy for the Reb maybe. And the Reb always worked on this one kind of not to ruin the original. This is one with a few corrections. Maybe it's not the first Haggo, but then you used to see sometimes the Hagos, you could even figure out sometimes where the Reb wrote the Hagos, whether it was written on a table that was clear for the Reb on top of bunch of other I'm sorry, a bunch of other things and uh sometimes you see it was written from the way the pencil was. We knew it was written and then I was at home which the maybe the the the tablecloth was silk and you see all the words are kind of broken according to the way when you write on something underneath it's soft >> which is silk soft. So you were you were typing that was >> so after the reb was raid would would write up the dictation prepare a letter the reb would mir from top to bottom you could see here tons of big vors there was very little space for the reb would type it up and then you had to make maramous because the reb would write certain things I leave empty and you could see all along I have many samples here I didn't read them that the reb uh said I already say that that at Maramokim another time I have no time to go look for it. So basically uh the would leave things empty. You should put in the maramokim where exactly the poses and Rabbi Goner asked me to help him. We went to the Reb's library. >> Rabbi Groner would write the manus. >> He would type up the letter. He would have to fill in the missing manavis. >> He he would kept that job always the >> I guess he had it before also. And we did that in the library. The library was before it was end of LV where B started organized with good library but also library you don't have like in a small room all this forum. I helped him a little bit. Then I remember I think it was end of um ladv I don't know I saw I was happening in downstairs with the magnet in the room the reb walks out and I see the reb going home in my calculation the reb was going to write to work on I see the reb going home with two volumes of in his hand I think one of them was daled which has in the surface the miktovim of uh uh of I guess tilt of gimmel. I'm sorry. I'm going to look a little bit at the notes in that one. Uh came out. He had the the letter of of it had all the tilt of course with his surface was printed end of and then the reb would come back. The Rebi took it to make Marmakas. He took the letter with him and he took the tooth for him and when the reb would come back next day you had um the letter would make and for instance and a certain thing of like James would sayiml which was printed many many years ago because in that letter in the reb took home which was from old year before the Gim was printed I think was whatever it is or different things like this which were the was uh like something that majority of people don't even have it anymore like the wrote to us once a certain was wasn't yet a liquid wasn't printed yet and that famous expression who has a single liquid of liquid Uh so it was suggested that instead of the Reb having to to do this that we should prepare the simple Marisukim Kazal the regular things already the Reb has in other places and type it up double space and give it into the Reb and the Reb will uh add whatever Horus he wants whatever chemist he wants and uh That's how uh it started. We used to prepare um and give it into the Reb and the Reb would add Maricus. Uh and then after the second typing which is that's when we did it we did the march um concerning uh by now everyone knows that um in special memor no I want to mention especially in we knew from here and there that the reb likes in Every of should be um shavi rash all the raim z certain list of things that had to be there also the memorum had to be all the the where this list come from just this yeah >> people knew m you could see here and there in other places that people didn't think there was m he added some place in he in a certain place without even saying where he has to be >> always on to this. >> Yes. and and of course from a certain year on also his father. Now when you come to aos you could find it you could also the samely the way it's inali when it comes to the harness form of raim were printed and how do you find something but we knew the reb at at a certain point the letter was supposed to be given to at night before he goes home to work on it at night but it was missing after hard work was missing a few especially the that don't have mas at those years the marash a few were missing and a note was written to the rabbi that we're still missing this three rabbim and we were working on it uh at night trying to find the rebesides It's everything as we all know he's a gentleman. Uh by the morning when the Reb came I was I was ready with a paper with the things missing to give it to Rabbi Goner to give it to the Reb. But the Reb got it. The Reb gave out what he had prepared and over there I have a photocopy of it, a a little paper where the Reb wrote the names of all the Raim and checked off which ones he already had and then the Reb himself filled in the Rabbim that was still missing when it was prepared beforehand. Of course, the Reb would never try his best never to erase what someone else did. Put in those also. Um and uh like this it um at the used to be typed and the reb would fix it. We had to retype it till the third time. We typed it up nice ready for for the Rebbit to sign. In those years the negatives was printed used to be printed letter used to be printed either was small be like this or later on two pages when it became more maris and when the reb had to sign the letter in those years the negative machines the real negatives I don't know why but he wouldn't be able to pick up a blue signature if the reb would sign with his blue pen so they would give the rabbi a uh a nice easy flow drawing pen, a black one. This was the of Jacobson Oliver and together with the letter Ragu would give in the Reb would sign. But it happened that the Reb signed the original with his signature, but he still fixed a few corrections. What do you do? In the olden years, you see letters here and there printed and you have a correction by hand. But in those years already, this wasn't acceptable. So we practically if the Reb would fix uh a few words in a line, you wouldn't cut the Reb would want to get ruin the Reb's original. Someone wanted to keep it. Uh not me, but someone wanted to keep it. And um so we would cut it and type over this one line and a way to tighten the space. You go half a space back. So you could add a few words. Sometimes you had no choice from wherever the Reb's correction was. He had to finish typing till the end of the letter, retyping and then put the Reb's the last paragraph with the Reb's signature. >> Copy paste. >> Yeah. In the negative, not you wouldn't ruin with wax the original in the negative. They did that. Um then at a certain point and after the letter was mug a few times now at the same time the Reb was Mia, he already was writing the letter in English. He didn't have the Reb's corrections. After that I would give out the first time corrections which were a lot of corrections >> because he wasn't there. >> He was in Long Island. He lived that thing. >> So Raon would ask me sometimes to go on the telephone and remnel didn't hear good. I would have to scream on top of scream on top of my lungs tell him the reb's corrections and then there made more corrections more corrections. Therefore, when the when the English letter came to the Reb and the Reb was Miiet, uh this one time I see on a letter that the Reb writes in it and a certain words is circled around. It wasn't my job. He circled around the word and he's asking to whoever is working that whether it's from Mandela, whoever is working, he wants to know if this English word is the proper translation for that word. I see it. I see Rabbi L. I said, I I don't understand. the Reb could write whatever he wants. He said, "You want to know the way the Reb works on the letters in English?" He sits down with the final printed mol in English, puts it next to him, puts the English and he compares them both. That's why this is what happened later. So read in time of uh that Rebs kind of commented he's not a proof reader. They should do it all themsel. to to fix the letter. He doesn't have to look it over the English letter. >> Mhm. >> Part of it. Then they had to make attached to March chemist which had a caption from the inside just with numbers and then they would also do it in >> stopped be the English >> I I don't >> he signed it. I don't know how many times he was gear but he wanted someone else to do things to to drive a simple a proof reader which all the years was like this. I still remember in the time they were giving things to the Reb that they knew they didn't even look if there's any mistakes. The Reb was doing all the job to fix the mistakes in in in in the later years when we didn't have time. We came right away. We started doing already type setting while typing it on a computer. You could fix it. So we ran Empire Press. But we didn't have time to look it over. The Reb is going to Dale. So we would write on the letter that this letter was not proof read yet. We're doing it now. The reb should know there were times the reb took it was mad on the way to the ahel and rabbit kins already had a time I have heavy big telephone in the car I'm talking about I don't remember when and he would call me with some corrections um and on the car on the way >> yeah on the way um the same thing was uh they would would write to the reb that it wasn't looked over that we're going to do it you know um like this then started with the computers And uh and then again everything was done under pressure. The miktv must come out. Uh at certain point there was one time that I even remember what it is. It's interesting. Uh I think the wrote something about the issue was whether it says or >> in those years where we going to look for these things we know it's a computer know nothing or the library it was would be impossible. No, but we don't say that no that did not put in >> but made a certain comment I think about that >> you didn't have ashk >> I don't know if it's anka you tell me you know it's ank whatever the way it says whether it's whether it's cedar ped and the reb left that he wants to put in a maramok the letter the reb went to the ale that day the reb was going back home soon and >> am for what >> about this way the way whether it's written sed I'm sorry we don't even know how to look for this I'm sorry to say >> um and the letter has to be printed by the morning the reb is going home now and this is missing the reb left two circles empty not having a choice I'm sorry to say I went downstairs ing holding the long galis hoping that Rabbi Goner is going to come out from the Reb's room before the Reb comes out and I'll first give him the letter and tell him to go back and ask the Reb to my mazle. The Reb walks out from the room before I see the Reb walking out. I move back. Of course, I wasn't going to talk to the Reb. The Reb turns around to me. He asked me, "What's Wilto?" So I said nothing. So says Mr. I mean Reb saw that I came here with something holding my hands for something. I mean obviously by that time Rab must have realized some commotion going on outside he pushed himself through the Reb and I walked over uh I didn't talk to the Reb standing here next to him. I told Rabbi Goner, uh, uh, footnote was left empty. And the Reb turns around and tells to Rabbi Goner, I already gave it to you this afternoon. I mean, things were very hectic. He didn't have a chance. There's no rush. He didn't have a chance to give it over to me, but I knew he needs to go to print. I didn't know. >> He gave to Groner. >> He told him afternoon what to write here. I think it was about that or something else. Uh >> I don't understand the whole story because it's it's there's a muk for this besides >> I don't remember exactly. No, if this if you write or >> so what's a muck for the >> no is different a goddess that the way they say it has different gave >> I think it was that I'm almost sure it was that it could be maybe it was already printed maybe I I could check it out I mean it would be >> bleful amount of time to put into that um anyhow so then but everything was done in pressure now in always the end of the cli the reb would always add the post of the capital in if it would be two letters it would be a letter of later came three letters in the letter closer to p >> capital >> rabb's capital this of course was not in part of the dictation rabbi mandel couldn't write it and the reb would add this and connected part of the I remember the bohim I don't think those years already started the new idea of a niggan a new or old for the capital but never decided yet which sukim they should they should pick for the for the niggan and those wait I should tell them uh what pro did the rebite like this again a day earlier to have time what did the rebite which pro did the rebite um and yeah but still everything is done under major pressure I mean I'm sorry mind you I mean I had a job to work I got married the Maliff and all this was done on my partially on my free time the whole night and I wish it would be at night but it ended up a lot of times uh for some reasons ended up being uh in the middle of the day when I was already at work getting a telephone call come back we need to do this need to do that but this is I had a big I was to work on those all those things >> you did a >> yes yes >> do you also work on the letters that the wrote like for dinners and things. >> Um Raisel stopped writing um to I think his wife wasn't well or some other reason. uh one letter Rabbi Goner prepared um >> yeah I think Press if I'm not mistaken um maybe was based enough for bringing maybe the rabbi told them inside the room later on the vad some goner gave it over to the vad sometimes the reb would either bring you saw the reb speaking a whole like could inf you heard already he's dictating here >> Mhm. M >> a statement it was very obvious you felt it or they got paper and the rest is >> and then so I think at a certain point uh couldn't do anymore the so-called clim for the dinners all those things so I also helped out technically for instance you had to um when rev writes a letter to mimis to graduation you have to see which school when they're graduating and their name should be spelled properly. The regular language of a letter usually is uh I say you had to change it but different because the same letter was sent to many different organizations. >> I was referring to longer letters that are written for like a dinner of a um maybe I'll get to it soon. Um so basically a letter is based and you look at the invitation put in the proper date because the same letter was going to uh different schools different places other seems to already happened. One of them is or whatever it is and I mean a lot and now in answer to your question a lot of those nus of the letter is already from different years and uh used to be the rebel or whatever that time the reb used to whether it was the time the reb about the the including of three days with chabas different things like this Um so I helped out there too and uh but then started with computers it was already computers so it looked too nice and the rabbi didn't want to ruin it to be mia and I of course want the rabb to be mad so I saw from rabbi I learned from him even though I I don't write like such a great kite like him but I would write on top of the letter in big words had no stationary yet and the reb would No, but Reb still was afraid. I saw one time the Reb was afraid to fix just like so even signed one time without the stationary. So I added on top big on every letter head with two underlines and uh then after the Reb was finishing it. We did the correction on the computer. Now we need to print it on a stationary. So Rabbi Klein wanted to give me stationaries of the Reb. I refused to take. I didn't want to keep stationaries of the Reb. I asked them to have only three because if the stationary gets stuck when you put in the machine to print it's not regular paper. It was paper with water watermarks the famous fancy paper. So I only kept by me two or three pieces and then I would give it to to print. Now how would I know if there's event coming? So I worked and I would come usually shabas before the fabbrangan I would see rabbi groer and um I would hear from him what are the different things is there uh a dinner or some event which I didn't keep up with uh I couldn't keep up with the things that's going on there one time I came shabas it was in the winter and rabbi gono tells me that tomorrow Sunday there's a kanuka sabai I said I don't I think it was Shenun I don't remember this building on Crown Street and there has to be a letter I didn't know what to do I said I'll try my best this is the first time a letter of of of lab shiva of this style ma from other years and I didn't promise anything um I came out to shabas I bash managed uh I put it on the table that stood outside the reb's Burka Ununic, my cousin was sitting there that time and I put it out. I think it was 11:30 at night. I didn't know of anything. About 2:00 in the morning, uh, my cousin Buna calls me that the letter came out. I come back 7:70. I see the letter and there's a little piece of paper upside down and written at a big which means or of course I uh I turned it over. I'm sorry to say. I take a look and uh I see there a letter from uh from the secretary telling the Reb uh that and he didn't tell me that he's preparing a note relying on me. I I told him I don't know if I'm going to manage. He never told me. He prepared a note to the Reb that later when he left home that later on uh he told to attach it to the letter that was the letter asking the Reb if he could get back the letter in the same night in order to be able to should sign it. We have to print it for the dinner. And that paper I didn't see it when the letter came out. I see the Reb writes I received it midnight open the door to take stuff from the table was after 12 at night which is holy thing what's worked the whole night what's the difference but it's kind of a aut that you're giving me and the same thing was with all the later in the time of the mugas unlike ra always came in late and there were many times sometimes the rabbi clearly didn't mir as a matter of principle after I mean what do you mean I you need it tomorrow morning I have to work for you and then says if someone if someone must have wow that tomorrow there's a there's no there was this new you didn't know before calls question mark two exclamation marks like like you didn't know before I mean this this is not to me I don't mind if you get sharp answer it doesn't matter it's it's a but this is talking about uh about the >> was it was did sign that letter >> I'm sorry to say of course he did he have a choice >> he did >> I'm sorry there's a I remember one time a letter was prepared uh also like this he was given into the rabb was probably in time and uh the Reb gave it out. He signed it in the morning by dollars. This was Gman from Migdal. I forgot his messes are called whatever it's called. Mdal >> mdalair and he you know he passed by the by dollars he had a dinner I think that day Sunday somewhere Manhattan I don't know rich dinner and the rabbi turns around ask Rabbi Goner did you give him he tells me did you get your letter guy says no rabbit turns to Rabbi Goner says I'll give it to him later no says now um hey uh we tried our best to he went out to work. Yeah. He went away for a short time by dollars >> and he gave them the letter. We tried our best. Uh, everyone working very hard including Rabbi Goner. I mean, this was a a day and night job. It's interesting. Uh, the telegrams of the Reb, I didn't do them. Actually, for a bunch of years, Simon Jacobson did them. And there again what they did is like the good olden times with the letters they would take a telegram from previous year change the date and uh telegram it says whatever it is and the reb would add the pig I don't know I never figured out what happened the last telegram of the rabbi which is kanuk kanukin on base. I don't know why Rabbi Goner called me was the middle of the day. I should come and prepare. I didn't want to ask him why the guy is not doing it. Whatever it is, I came back. I was working that time in Williamsburg. I came back and I prepared based on what the Reb had spoken that time a normal type talk type without the Reb having to prosecute already from from from different and was normal telegram punked that telegram the reb was mia added tons of stuff actually I have to say that that's one one thing I miss that I feel bad till today that I don't have a copy of it because uh Rao took it away right away when we finished talking about um we had no copy machines one time I think for even was maybe that and when we gave in the second there was a lot of the words of the written away that you had to figure out only according to the tan because it was so hard written off the the corner paper but it was a few words that time that or one word we couldn't figure it out with all the effort we couldn't so by the we gave him the galis was one page um I suddenly get a telephone call Rabbi Klein tells me the reb wants to see his aor what he wrote I grabbed fast the original I barely made an a wet copy very unclear copy I wasn't going to hold back and I ran and give to Rabbi Klein. Ra Klein called me to the lady went into the Reb and the Reb looked and looked and looked and he says, "I myself uh couldn't figure out what it says here." But the Reb wrote whatever he wanted. Like he was surprised and he wanted to see what did I write here? Why can't they figure out? But uh this is um that happens sometimes that people the writing couldn't decipher what the Reb was writing. But we mostly figured out in the later years after Gimmel Thomas a lot of times things are printed um and the people that are I'm talking to people that know what they're doing can't figure out I I I had in it. I remember times Rabbi Klein would ask me to help him figure out for himself uh what the Reb wrote. I don't know how like the chicken looks in the this what it is. Okay. Thank you. >> I'm not a rabbi. Thank you very much.