Ep. 28: Bochurim Today Are in a Better Place with Rabbi Chaim Schapiro

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This episode is dedicated by and shi inspire your friends to join their fellow yidden all across the globe who are flocking to letters from an fulfilling the takana for every single yid to have an a specific shared letters from an.com to bring this important tak of theb for of the entire this additional effort should be formed a young who passed away tragically a short while ago at the age of 17. Encourage anyone who does not yet have a letter in the to visit letters from.com to bring more light and unity into the world as the Reb inspires and instructs. Shapiro. How are >> you? To you. You're the second Shapiro that we had on the podcast. The first one was your father and I feel like your father shared a lot of how he grew up and we came to the I think we uh could continue from there. So I know obviously you grew up in Miami. Um and um so I'm your father told me then that he was very makba to come to the very often. For example, he spoke about some how he he never missed it. He once missed it whole that he that that he that he shared. Were you uh were you part of those trips? How did that work? >> It's very interesting that you ask. So yes, growing up was obviously very much part of our lives and my father used to travel. He used to go four times a year to he would go for I think one year went for because my uncle got engaged then. So he went forisl and then he went for then he went for those are the four times a year that he went. If there are any other or reasons otherwise you would also go the family as a family would go twice a year we went to the for and we went to the for that was the other times um my father used to generally go himself but you asked if we're part of it so I'll tell you just a small little incident that happened how that began in my family so alf for some reason the our family did not go for sukus to New York stayed at Miami lid We were also in Miami. My father flew himself for my mother had a baby on and my father split us up and he went to the because he [snorts] couldn't miss. It was the year after maybe he spoke about that. Um I guess we were there. I don't remember. Um if the family wasn't going and I was already, you know, old enough to really really want to go. So we made my parents crazy. And then my father made a deal with us that starting from now, every time he goes to New York alone, [snorts] if we're good, obviously we'll take turns and every one of us will be able to go. Of course, if you're good, you know, we were kids then, but obviously had to buy the ticket in advance. So, I don't know what he would do if you weren't good, but we were good. It was a very very good incentive for us to to behave and do what we're supposed to do. So, I was to go some just for some with my father. Then the next time my father went, we took my brother and that went for a few years. So in addition to the regular times when the family would go to the my father would take one of us the older boys that we were there then he would take us to the and it was it was very very special is a very special year [snorts] at that office with the kids and I remember it like yesterday I could talk for a few minutes about that but u I'm sure everybody knows all those in fact >> what happened >> so then the reb started at the time and the rebba had a both nights and with the And the went to the following year the also made a haka with the kids but he didn't go. He said ah before and he said last year it was a big balagan or a tuml or I don't know the words that used. So he said this time the kids should go with the parents to the but that time the kids went alone and theb dancer with the kids. So the rebba went an extra three went to and it was extremely special. I was a little kid. I was crying the the pushing was was was tremendous. Um I remember like yesterday the niggan they sang at least one of their coffers they sangu and I could picture the standing in middle amongst all the kids the got pushed from there they even say a story there was a a boy he's a little younger than me from Miami he fell down and the picked him up I wasn't there but that's what they said at the time um and's face I remember it like yesterday's face was pushed shining cynic when you see these descriptions in the magazines of how theb face looked. I was by the for many, many, many years. But I'm telling you that if you see a description of some face, but I have a small little episode, I've said the story many times that happened at the end of our coffice. So at the end of our coff, my father's place with my uncles, the others are all by the front of 770 by the Badesh. So I was sitting there with a few kids towards the end of a coffers by Aleno I think it was and the rebba turns around to me looked like to me and he points to me like this that I should come to him of course I ignored the doesn't mean me I waited didn't do anything a few seconds or a few minutes later the turns around again and he points like this again mom straight to me and goes like this again obviously I ignored the turn to grown and he told him that he wants the kids that are sitting there we should all go closer to the so we all we all sat down mameish by the Reb's feet and the Reb was in such a mode or attitude that means friendly I guess open that some of the kids took the opportunity they push walked over to theb and they gave which is I mean there's stories about that and I knew that as a kid I don't know why I guess I've heard enough stories from my father as a kid that you don't give a hand to the but the he was I still remember sitting on the bottom watching how the reb with a beautiful smile puts his hand down to the It's whoever stuck their hand out gets born and there's no this was a a whole a whole different massive. So I was to go from that and from then I was by every single from the only time I missed most of was I think it was when came out early we were on but I did make it for the end for the end of I came back otherwise I was every year and it's a tremendous and I tremendous of appreciation that I have for my parents that understood that need to bring us from wherever we were you have to remember in those years it's not like today that everybody lived far away obviously people lived far away in the big in the med like France but in the I mean there were but it wasn't that many and nevertheless he brought us to the reb we came to the we were hamish everybody knew I heard later when Shapiro from Miami came to 770 people knew that we were there we were vay a bunch of boys we used to run around 770 in and everyone knew that we're here you know I remember even once Once we were coming for Pesak, there was a big snowstorm and we stopped over. They would take tickets that were cheap. So, we had two stopovers in Charlotte from Miami. Could you imagine? And it was delayed. A long story short, the taxi pulled up from [clears throat] the airport at 9:30 to Crown Heights. So, my father stopped the taxi at 770. All the pllock from the whole family, took me and my brothers out of the taxi. My mother he sent back with a taxi alone to go to my grandparents house to pull the suitcases up and unpack. And we went to Fabang. We came to Fabang at 9:30 right before the Reb came in. We parked. We came to Fabang. I don't remember what year it was. Mimble, Mandal, one of those maybe one of those years. Um so it's obviously was very special and it was tremendous. [clears throat] >> And um so how old were you when you came to to New York to to learn? >> So I came to New York to learn in Zion. So I was uh I had just turned 16 uh 15. I just turned 15 >> when I came to learn. >> You missed Tavis. >> I I missed I mean I I flew in I was learning in Mifa then in Detroit that the year it was a class. It was like a high school/class of eighth or nth grade and we all flew in. So we came in not from but we came from and we were there until I think we came back early the famous spoke and made then the three and every 10 days and spoke then about the so we heard that already back back in yeshiva. So we were there from the night of this that night for a whole week we were there. I remember that the day after um Rabbi Gari who was our Makir Mashpia so he was there with us and he wanted us to go back to Detroit the next day and we were fighting with him we want to stay everybody's here so he says he doesn't know what's right so he met his who used to talk about a lot of he says I'll asking that's what we're going to do remembering walked by like okay we're ding who knows what is going to say he might take him too serious and say you have to go back anyways he tells and he speaks to the beach of and he says that's it. So we were we were able to stay. [snorts] >> When when was this? This was >> this was Vavis. I Zavis two days later. [clears throat] Actually it was it was it was Zavis. I remember Vavis said the about taking the penis to the oil the famous. So the was upstairs. No one expected a D might have upstairs. I was in the hallway. It was pack jam was in the hallway but [snorts] I wasn't there but I heard this. You could take a listen on the tape. You hear the tape and then there's a a pause and then the Reb continues at the end. What happened? The rebik and then theb says I think the everyone should send what happened was the reb started to leave the and he picked up his hand and he said he said to himself people heard it I missed meaning I missed the main point and he went back and he miss finished the main point at this to everybody they [snorts] should all write whatever I think the even then said you could write everything because I'm not even gonna read it you don't have to be embarrassed anything and the Reb said then that all the and tremendous stories obviously from that and the even said that you can go to other it's very interesting he said are connected so if you can't get opinion here go to other and it's all connected it's all one tremendous thing and people say I mean who knows that even is I mean who can know but it's certainly a and it's and hopefully the will judge it and and fulfill all the [snorts] >> okay that's coming up soon. Um, so you came >> I came. Yeah. >> So you went >> I went in those years you went into four years. It's still people don't even realize why is it called if you only have three years of z >> people learn two years in yeshiva and then they go to let's say some to maran that used to be Montreal as well because it was four years of bisdesh. You went to bismdish not you didn't stay a year longer. We started it earlier. We were much younger, a year younger when we were in bismet for many many years. The massifa sort of changed that over the years and pushed the brim to stay another year in mif. Um yeah so I was 16 when I went into zal. So I was 15 I was in shidal ma it was called then um yeah it was it was like a sort of a mini zal. That's what it was called was called mini zal and was upstairs. Yeah. And it was very special because um it ended up being was very special year on a number of for a number of reasons. It was a special year and also because of the whole of throughout that year with the being home etc. So I was to be by thebish that whole year and um so I know your I know your father was involved with and everything like that. So what was your when it came to theans like how was your is obviously very different times the and uh but like what was the how was your a young ber you were able you're able to to understand the problem like how that how did that work >> so yeah I was able to understand a lot of the fabanashem even though I was a young ber um I wasn't involved in specific but I with my for example one of the big who emerged around that was my friend Jacobson um I remember this is what I remember so I came to and I think the first was that I was there in I don't remember exactly which faban it was and what happened was the next day after the so we stopped for an hour during there's going to be and a kid a 15year-old kid Yosi Jacobson is going to I was poshet blown away I was floored you know I I considered myself a smart guy I should be able to do that there's no way I was able to do that and that's where I realized that there are people that can actually repeat the fabans what I knew that my father used to do so I was friends with these guys so we used to discuss the fabangans afterwards and everybody you know we were mashim different details of different things that the said and what the said so a lot of you know between the a lot of it went into >> [snorts] >> Um what is I even remember a few incidents of of the said something and I had punked or I learned something about that. I said you know the it sounded like the meant this but he actually meant something else. He meant not so I remember he came back to me he says you're right that's for sure what the meant and that's how I went. So I wasn't officially involved but you know we were all we were all this was I don't even know how to describe it. Shabis Faban was what we lived for. If I would meet on the street who if he came to the and he would basically push me back a spot because his place was in front of me. What am I going to do? I might not hear every single word. I still meet him in the street. I said you were my you [snorts] were my when I met you. I said it as a joke obviously. Um but yeah we live for the fabangan and me were fabangans. A lot of gishmakans in me. Um and you know we were to be there almost every except for two he didn't and was I think it was the woman's convention also and didn't and I was out of town my brother I was in Miami you know you have this uh two-sided feeling when you call up Shabas was there like you're hoping that right at the other hand I hope I didn't miss a faban you don't say anything and you ask the information and and no there was no fab on the one hand you breathe a sigh of relief which is very selfish obviously move on but nevertheless we were kids I don't know if I would feel that way as an adult but uh yeah so we were it was tremendous so we lived the and then we would we would read the we would learn that came out and then we would try to remember and then that came out I mean this was a whole a whole different world you have to remember you have to catch up with the that came out every single week of freshot that came out during the week that came out and then at that time there were coming out manless man fall behind [snorts] the the came out. Yeah. Um so and then the rebate every from after the no that for three weeks theb didn't say when I say every shabas I meant except for the where the rebba was home um didn't came during the following he said then he's going to shabas and from then till the last. [snorts] >> And you were there the whole time? You were you didn't leave? >> Oh, >> except for the summers. No, I would I would leave for the summers and I would go home for PES. We went home once a year. To me, it's still a when come to me, they want to go home because they weren't home for four months. I'm like I mean say that it's tough, but in my days we literally went home once a year PES and that's it. And not everyone went home p. But most of us went home peso saw my parents. [snorts] They came in for Sim to New York. Um sovat um I mean everyone describes the events of and how there's so many and changes and the even said is that it's it was a newb said that maybe you can explain that a little bit like you know the events of not the events and also the the shinuy like like what what like the changes that happened after the wasallic. >> So first a few basic changes that happened. The Reb stopped fabanging during the week. That's what he stopped doing. He stopped during the week. Only Fabangans on Shabas. Um just [clears throat] by the way talking about Fabangans on Shabas. So after for two years the rebu would fabang shabas instead of shabas that was a tremendous treat to people like my father who missed fabangans all the time because he was in Miami and he was able to hear the fabangans to the extent that as a kid I had no idea how what is the fabian shabas because yumpt probably till then my father didn't bring me to the fabang shabosim I wasn't there so it was only shabas I asked my fathers where is the sit it's the regular place I mean there's no microphone how does it work couldn't couldn't be mit um So the stopped during the week last during the week was the said he's not going to the said he's not going to actually say he's not going to bring the said is going to be shabas po I was in camp then and we heard suddenly the reb is going to fabang but was the reason why and I'm saying now that why the didn't want that fabangan to be official because he didn't want it to be on the the cable television because the rebba spoke then very very shis about the crown heights mus that was going on that's I think one of the first times the reb spoke clearly was okay then was official >> one of the first times the did speak about it inv >> I could be wrong but he spoke clearly then about the but the main blitz in crown heights and whatever different that was all that summer of um so that spoke about so that's why said is going to be and this was not necessarily also then that's when he said he's going to give out he gave out bottles of mashk to anyone who's going to make a at the end of the is um actually the end of said he mentioned of not drinking more than four and there Theb said this is what I remember that's the words that used is not just about bringing for drinking only four but it's not to become >> so the existence of someone is already is against the opposite of sober sobriety I think that's the word right anyways so was I think on cable that's when he spoke about hakb spoke of them making the cards and that whole thing um Then that's when he started on the way out. I do remember I think it was could be and I'm confused is before and then he said at the end of by the way is different than what people usually assume as a cash is usually a stupid question. means holtz beyond he dealt it in lumber but was an obvious question no obvious question how come nobody asked you forget about the elephant in the room so the nobody saying and the start rarely started started leaving and this if I remember correctly he started singing anyways so said he's not going to he said as far I remember the rumors. So everybody expected there's not going to be a and then the said that he's going to kiss and then was the last after there were no more week. So that was a a tremendous shino. Um, the Reba really started Sunday dollars much more as far as I remember official to speak to the I think it was unofficial and I could be wrong that it became like instead of it evolved from but I think it became more official that you're allowed to talk to the started really after um started having with the minion with the at 10:00 and that was uh and these were the the official basic shinuy that you saw in is and the Reb started saying a lot of more. It was one year a year and a half that there was no kim I think it was there was no even I think one one year there was no if I remember correctly but >> there are there are some famous ones put them is >> I was there I was put there was put the spoke then about the the came in the's face was shiny was came out no one there it was empty there was a whole between the if the reb was actually ma I was from those that claimed that the wasn't because all the said was from those that can fulfill. If you're under 40, you don't have that. Either way, as a side note, nothing to do with with with but 770 was a you can imagine was on wheels the whole night in until we heard the news that had a former then there was a fire and so in 770 2:00 in the morning whenever we got the news that there was this fire and his mish that's it the ear the oxygen of everybody left and the whole 70 became subdued the next day he asked be a dollar and then on their way out after dollars and back if he got a dollar for a son. But anyways, yeah, there were these famous but for the most part that was a whole major. But the fact that every single day this after the year moving into the wasing for the um so that changed for that year for the um and um that was a tremendous that we had we weren't able to d with every time because the was in the house and there was a whole system of how you able to get into the house with we had to learn the system break the system and and [snorts] get in as many times as you can and then but for the Reb was in 770. So I don't think I missed that came to 77. We didn't know what's going to be coming. The Reb is home. So gimmel came to 77 and he stayed until went back home. When the women made a came that night down from the other steps and he gave them dollars and they said and then the stayed home again and then came 770b went back a little bit but from then on the reb was on and off but usually in 770 but for the full year the was home. So we didn't d with um every single but a lot we used to get the truth from that and we was able to d with it was a tremendous tremendous I mean you see I see pictures now that pop up in the's house a small crowd and you remember standing around and I get the chills every time that I I see these pictures cuz it's different than being in 770. I still remember once for the upstairs in 770. But after or home or downstairs in 77 once once the used to go to the ones and on ones in addition to after me the started going Sunday, Tuesday, Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday and then it became Sunday and Wednesday sorry became Sunday and Wednesday then it pushed off then it became Monday and Wednesday and so that year was Friday m I don't know why they decided that still then ended up maybe within upstairs later it was downstairs so they set up upstairs and it was how many people could fit upstairs I stayed there for hours I used to go early and I came back and I was there and upstairs was a was was a different type ofish you felt like in's house small crowd by the that's there now next once upstairs >> I heard that from numerous people that dinging upstairs with the was like a different experience than uh >> true >> than anything else. >> It's true. But uh in the later years already from after me that never ded upstairs except for Shabs. That's it. They never stopped dinging upstairs. There used to be a goel Monday and Thursday at 7:00 in the morning. Who's going to have this to put down a tim for? So I lived then by my uncle of Eastern Parkway. So one of the bakim who was involved tells me you live on the way to why don't you come to the go and that was my plan. So that week I was planning uh on Thursday that I'm going to come now for the go. I don't know if I would have won. Very few people were there for the go. Anyways, that week happened so I never had that chance to be able to put a tim down but um yeah upstairs was a different experience and I was there many times and in the previous years with it was once I'll tell you story it was you could check on the calendar maybe it was Friday so that went to the um and they set up upstairs for whenever the went to on Friday even in the later years Mina was upstairs they didn't want to disturb I guess downstairs getting ready Shabas because otherwise the reb 3:15 even on Friday. So theb came back from the oil and everybody's waiting. It's very very late and the is going to come out to then we all have to run home to bench. So we hear the is door opening but the is not coming out. So we had a hunch that the is actually benching before because it's so late. The door closed. Another few minutes we didn't see the Reb. But 10, 15 minutes later, 10 minutes later, the Reb came out and there are those that claimed that they saw some wax on the Reb's finger. It's late. You can imagine it's getting it's already probably after Bench time already. And so there was the only time that they sang without repeating any of the stanzas and very and middle to go. 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Um I'm very interested. um over the the years [clears throat] you listen to the and the and the lambs and the mems every I don't know decade or whatever it's a a whole different sign in the way the rebba speaks by faban and I think in your years there were like the most changes in the rabbi style it's always I mean it's always very interesting to me how how the I mean though I mean there are certain people that I don't know if they were able to understand but those the bak they were they were able to they were following the understanding these changes you know and are like very very different I'm curious like how how the took it or how like what what was the what was the the way or the way it was perceived you I'm just I'm I'm interested in that >> I I don't have to tell you obviously but it became very difficult to remember in other words and to follow because the reb would go from Indian to Indian very fast we have recordings of from that and what amazed me how the were able to keep track and remember everything amazed me because there were certain that the wasb even in those years there's a number of such as the reb once spoke about the was about the p in the bik how they made the go the rabbis spoke spoke very very much and explained and elaborated there was the famous explained himself people don't realize was a that literally was 15 years back the way theb spoke you can't even feel it from the rebba was speaking his hands I used to stand on the side of the rebba his hands were under the table moving Where did he stand? It was Maz like behind the Rashak's place over there. That's on the side. That's where I stood and was was involved. Mamesh. It was loud. The whole 770 heard. Not only that, that's the only not the only there was another Fabian. But this was one of the only Fabangans that were sort of interactive meaning the Reb said a statement which actually taught me something tremendous that sometimes the Reb said something that we didn't understand what he meant. Okay. So sometimes you could think maybe it was like a plate, right? You can think and that could happen too. But here the rebba said something the whole 770 was stunned. The they picked up their head like did theb just say that and the gave a smile and explained himself. So here because saw everybody get surprised. So the explained himself. He said that none of the went. I know I was standing on top on the stage. I watched people used to sit like this. Their whole heads went huh. The whole 770 went h literally loud. And the Reb gave a smirk, gave a smile and he said he said these words. It was only as a substitute because he couldn't go to the anymore. So that's why he went to go to but really there wasn't the he went. So the could have said that statement it would have gone and like what did just say but that was what he meant. Obviously that's what he meant. Um but so yeah it was very very difficult to understand many of those. They were published later and we learned them and uh but there were it wasn't it wasn't still one way only there was different and different kufas and the spoke differently. You're saying even in that >> even in that it wasn't it wasn't there's ab spoke I think it was said people left after the finished they thought it's over they left the said already wasn't speaking the regular >> they thought the last one was cor which maybe maybe I'm confusing me >> I forgot what chabas it's the Okay. Spoke on the first. This wasn't Shabas. This was okay. It wasn't Shabas finished the start after the he and he I couldn't see I was very close but one of my friends told me picked up his hands like he picked up his hands. So you know there was different there were different even even during that even became different but the was much more with gave him and he stood hours with dollars there was a whole a whole different >> and also the during the weekday especially in the days it's like uh every every other night >> there's a how would that work in you everyone would go to 770 when there's a [snorts] >> so it was complicated ated at one point yeshiva said we're not allowed to go we have to listen to the in 770 >> in ala >> yeah and then that I think retracted but for example the last which was Thursday night before spoke then about golius that's so the alarm went on so everybody ran but I didn't want to miss the I didn't go I went into office he was >> every there was an alarm >> yeah during yeah three alarm three short alarms yeah and everyone ran and we uh I went into the office. I listened to the in the office. I didn't want to miss the a lot of times if it wasn't a long sa by the time you made it from which was then on Troy Avenue all the way to 770 you missed the >> right >> so that so that so the the alarm and the running started didn't start in a gimbal started started when the was saying the >> Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Mhm. Um and I I heard about Vayak I don't know someone told me I'm not sure I don't remember I heard this but I heard that that after was um telling people around him like was shining like uh after that after that I came I came to yeshiva that night Mat Shabas and one of the holy members came over to me and said Shapiro you I could tell this to this was a faban, right? Just like that. This was a faban. It's it's tremendous. Tremendous. >> And you could see you can obviously it's shabas. So, but you can see in the built-in book and you read it and you can you can see that it's like it looks like it's middle of the mess like that that type of >> that's how the Reba spoke. That was the sign in the way the Reba spoke as well, >> right? I [sighs and snorts] I once heard from somebody that's probably your age that he used to learn um he used to learn in his free time from previous years. So they asked him, "What are you doing?" Says, "What do you mean?" Every time I hear the Reb speak, the Reb says, "Yeah, I don't I wasn't here. I don't know. I just have to have to I have to be on the Reb's program. I have to catch up and to to make sure I understand what's what the Reb is saying." I don't know if that was a common thing that this person did. Listen, I I always tell the bim today, you know more about the rebba than I do because to you it's one mika tshin let's say or t whatever year you're starting until it's one ma there's no you don't have a preference I know more of when I what I lived through than the earlier years because to me that was like old I'm living in the now so you have to change your mode and look at the years as a mix I I still haven't been successful in that so the know a lot more to me it's the same thing I think this is a debate the different had when comes what's the going to look like I think the older said the going to look like he looked in the whatever it came out that everyone's saying the going to look like when they were bakim so those are your years like my father he talks mainly about the that's when he lived so anyone who was there usually talks about the time that he lived through usually as a bak Because you as you get older you have other digus and other issues and is a very important part of your life but sometimes there are other things that are on a person's mind but when you're pure and that's one of the so to me it's my years but now to the today which are pure and living with it's everything but on the other hand there is certain I mean there's a from theb says about the in the people in the in the last things that the said >> to them the was talking about to them if I remember correctly >> I think it's in years I think years >> yeah yeah yeah it's a whole there's a explaining something that said so I think >> at the end of the day there is um >> a preference so to speak >> I don't have a preference but it's it's the last things we have from the >> that's coming but I think that's also coming from a um you want to talk yeah you go for for the last But if you stumble want to in what was the rabbit and to find out. So you want to know everything right? I'm not capable of doing that bad. I mean I could and I know and I listen I hear but to me it's still going to be the last years always. >> Yeah. Because on the other hand for example the rabbis spoke every finished off every mentioning all the right I think in the didn't do that. So the does that mean that there's no memory of no it means you have to learn the from and I think there's something that the bakim have been doing in the last uh few decades that people the learn um like whatever the is this year I see I see I mean I I do I do it myself till today >> so it's interesting when you end up doing that I've been learning it's like all of a sudden And you have like a whole I think a specific right yeah >> so right so it's like you're like it's like you're living with the in certain because you and your are are are learning that at the times interesting. Um, so let me ask you something. I I'm going to move on a little bit to to something else even though I don't think we even scratched the surface with this, but um I mean you are part of and know you you you started talking already about how liveb yourself in certain instances. Um, I mean it's it's something it's it's a challenge because it's for for better or for worse you I mean obviously you had a choice and there's more of the less of the but you're there it's the atmosphere you know everyone's running to to 770 so everyone goes you know this is this is the way way it works but today you have to choose to run to 770 you know figuratively so how is that uh how How does that work? How does Abaka do this? How does an Ingram man do this? Like how do you get in tuned? >> The problem with asking me that question is because I'm from a different I I really I used to say and this might be a little bit controversial when we were so the a lot of times that is for example is just as the same thing as because the Reb said so I used to say I was cynical. It's true. But I read the same that you did. But why should I be from you when you were to be I want to hear it from somebody who wasn't by that he actually understands and internalizes and believes that it's the same thing because you're just repeating what I don't need you for that. So I'm using it the same way back when I tell things about the big deal. You were there. So it's very difficult for someone like me to give or to tell people uh how they should and today um but they still ask me and I guess they want to hear I don't know but it's very difficult and I don't know where I would be see I don't know where I would be if I would have been living in this I don't know I don't have an answer for your question but I can tell you that there's the Reb is Hash is tremendous till today because the are almost or even more than the Reb in my years and it's something that I cannot explain. I don't think it's possible to be somebody to such a thing without And when we know that it's mainly the so we have to just get out of the way a little bit and let the work we have to facilitate. We have to supply the opportunity give them the ability. But what is driving the these kids these there's no question about me that is I can't see any person that could actually do that to get excited and and to mean it serious and I'll say it even in and there's different madas in my years not all were also the same they weren't some were more some were less Just like today you have some more and some but the is a very very important thing in Abra's life existed in my years even by the who weren't running so much to the who were missing for whatever reason were missing for whatever reason but the was there and the same thing is today the by me is not by the all the time. Okay. For whatever reason, they got excited and they're that's not where I see the the the let's call it or the wonder of what's really going on. It's the average the regular ber at the end of the day when push comes to the is extremely important to him when going to the is important to him going to to to is important to him the were important to the are important to the even if he's not the that's and that's the if you're caught up in the and that's where you hang out okay makes sense how do we get there that's but the same that in my days is the same bo today and I'm talking about you know within a certain box obviously because there's different ranges and to me that's that's tremendous and and we in labavich need to know this and we need to appreciate this uh somebody came to me recently it's a long story he has some issues so he says labavich is in a crisis I said clus is in a crisis I says you're not in labavich I told him I am I'm sitting in yeshiva yeshiva is lobavichavich has problems like everybody problems. Clalia Sol's tremendous cry. Everybody's struggling. Everybody has issues. The world is creating a lot of problems that we have to deal with just like everybody else. And we can't shove it under the rug. Do we always have the solutions? A little bit hopefully, but that's not the I'm not talking the positive. I'm not focusing on the negative to fix the problems. But if you're sitting in the yeshivas with the I'm telling you, we have issues. We're not in a crisis. On the opposite, on the contrary, it amazes me the mas the which is supposed to you're supposed to sit and learn and the around the around 770 and around learning tough like you mentioned that that's he chose that's his life but the regular guy to me to me that's where we see that they're still taking it really really serious going to the is serious old whatever it is learning is serious it's serious business and and we have to somehow recognize that and and help and help continue that and it's how many years already after Gimus 30 something years after Gimlam there is no explanation I met a guy once a guy once going back 10 years ago 15 years ago I don't know how the conversation went I'm sure he was a secret lab because he knew way too much he knew way too much anyways we started talking somehow about the KB so I said to him you know story how the fre was saved He was and who helped run away from Europe, he stops. He goes, "Is it is it mentioned to the you guys are crazy." So to take any other and his Reb was also saved from Europe. I'm talking about the ones that came after the war. Ask them how he was saved, what the story was. They have no clues. But the you talk about their what happened, how they were saved. They know all the all the details of every single one of their when they had a crisis and they had an issue. It's not normal. He starts telling me he was saying it as a mile is something here and then okay so I'm from the older ones but these are the of today they don't know everything because again it's one big so there's so much that you can know details about every but nevertheless it's all there and to me that's that's where we see that and when you're sitting amongst the some will argue with me yeah you're sitting amongst the yeah I'd rather sitting sit amongst the and see see the of and the way it's mameish affecting our youth and our youth which will eventually hopefully you know grow up and of um I I want to sit here and see that and not focus on the problems which exist they exist in as well [snorts] and there's a reporter that came to the one one [snorts] year Israeli this is a while ago but many years after he wrote these labavatures they talk about the like uh like a like a kid speaks about the father in the middle of the sha like that that that's how much they're uh they're talking about the rebba and I think like I think you said a good that this this is nothing to do with us this is the uh whatever hashbah that uh that's making it possible there's no textbook how to do that there there isn't and and everybody figured out the textbook you know and all the basic general of today. We we didn't figure that out, you know. So, it's it's not a question. Look, it's not a if the said about that it's going to be like like how does he know that? How does he know that it's going to be and I think that it's kicking in now? No. >> Over the last 15, 20 or 30 years that it's okay. Your family of I think still celebrate whatever. Of course they cate that it's going to catch on is not anymore we also celebrate celebrates it's an amazing thing right so there's a whole different going on over here and this is all part of the same thing this is part of part of the the of and to be able to to give us that and we see it this is just just nothing there's nothing more to say other than the the the facts are in the results I said this to someone. He got all upset at me because he was tiny. Then you're throwing the problems under the rug. I said, "That's not what I'm talking about now." Well, you have to deal with the problems. You have to deal with the problems. Of course, there are issues. Everyone has issues. [snorts] Yeah. Whatever. [clears throat] I mean on the on the other hand I mean that those that to say that that that giml was you know obviously to say that this was something that we anyone would have chosen anyone would would have wanted to be in such a massive [clears throat] you know I I don't think that's the case >> right >> obviously >> obviously obviously this this look you have to look at the silver lining at every single situation. The fact of the matter is it's after and we have the that's like saying because you want that's exactly what you what someone might say. No, of course. Is it less that it's not you only have and after but when you get to you have to recognize that and it's all part of the process. We didn't decide how this works decided how this works. So the process is that there's and there's and when we're in the mat so we have to understand it recognize it and sometimes just get out of the way right you're saying even though if I would have told you that uh we would be having this conversation you would have told me I'm off the wall completely look we believed said and how did we explain at the theb heard the which I was there for I was there and theb screamed about I was a young kid I understood you know a little bit what was going on not the story in the background nobody knew but I understood what the rebba was saying um so where was the no one thought any further but the said it clearly and people I don't think they pay attention when the rebb was speaking that he said the following words those are the words the rebba said by the at the time no one paid attention what does mean what theb really meant to say was after my lifetime that's exactly in simple English what he was saying this he was referring then to the but of course it meant himself as well is to everyone and we have to remember and appreciate that and the reb was telling it to us as of course we ignored it >> [snorts] >> And and the same [clears throat] thing the very very strong in the Reb is speaking about I mean I think there's two that the Reb spoke very strong about this but and then it's the same thing I think I don't know what they were thinking in when the Reb was speaking about that is still here and everything is continuing but um and there's a famous letter I think it was Paris wrote to the wrote to the Rebazun on so the Reba said I like the fact he wrote on the sign I I think I don't know if I would have picked this up I think in his letter he meant the >> for sure not even right >> famous for example that he always said I believe Ben wrote a letter to the that he has a forbidd the one who will be instead of the one who was a city. That's what he wrote to the forb was a city wasb and theb took the city. Yeah, of course he meant that wrote on the rebels and the says I like the fact they wrote >> they say they say a story in theb walked in excited to mosqu once and said and he said the meaning tells the said you're a fool turns to says what do you say Ah, you're also a fool under walked walked out. Yeah, but this is the mits is it says and that's the fact and that's the we're living in and we didn't choose it. This is how it is and we have to appreciate it. Understand it. When I say appreciate I mean happy appreciate means understand and and what what what's really happening. >> By the way, that gives us a whole another understanding. You just you said the words [snorts] says the fact whatever in certain ways it's right that's the that's that's >> that's where I'm taking the lion from. Yeah. >> We don't even want this. >> Yeah. >> I mean I mean I mean based on everything that the said that and we're the ones that are finishing it off. I mean today you can see this so clearly like mam like like we like for some reason there's a whole that has to do it on on their own so to speak. It's obviously not on your own, but it's it's a whole Yeah, it's But this is I have a question. Is is a is a supposed to whatever supposed to feel like when I was growing up, it was very common that the was like there was like a strong bankish for the like a lack and and and a void. It wasn't I think that was it was real like people really felt that. Is that is that is there something that a buck is supposed to have or that's >> I I think I would answer that that's a huge I don't know what the real answer is >> that's why I'm asking the question I don't know if >> I know I know but I'm not in a position to have a true answer because again I come from a different kufa so my feelings do not necessarily reflect what the feelings should be and how would I know I'm not aba I'm not a sadik I'm not on the other hand this question has to be categorized from different angles. There's two parts to the question. Number one, is that necessary? Number two, should it be necessary? In other words, even if it's necessary, let's say, is it always a good thing to focus on on on that? So, I don't have an answer to the question from we didn't see a bank to we didn't see it. >> Obviously, I'm talking about and how many we're not gimmel now. 30 whatever three years after the gimba lived with the mamesh went to the oil twice a month twice a week three times a week he lived with the the bankish we didn't see if someone has a bankish I say as long as it doesn't depress him the problem is that sometimes the bankish can make a person feel down and feel bad and give up hope especially someone who was taken by the physically um so as long as it's you know for after you say a little and then you express a bankish I mean if you could express if a person could express a bankish to a family member even many years after that family member passed away certainly you could feel and express a bankish to the question is if that's supposed to be your whole aid I would imagine no because if it is it could sometimes to the and we didn't see that by the we didn't see that by the we saw everything else except for this this not that the didn't have a bank because the wasn't so expressive like this. It's amazing that if you have any human being that spoke for as many hours as the Reb did, you can probably write an autobiography of every single moment of his life. The Reb spoke so many hours, you know nothing. The only thing we know a little bit is what he told a few people here and there and you put together mel or the early days or something from documentation. Nothing. He didn't speak about himself. He pushed spoke. He spoke he said whatever it was he didn't speak about himself he said about himself he didn't so there's no but the fact of the matter is only in going forward now on the other hand it created by some people and I know this because I speak to bim that they feel bad that they don't have that bankish that they don't have that let's call it ais physical ava so to speak which by the way feeling the didn't use that those those about when talked about hisl >> so my answer always is as follows I don't know why you feel bad his doesn't say anywhere in other words let's put it this way is his that you become a if you do the things that connect you to the doesn't mean in other words let's say to someone who does everything that say he doesn't feel it that mean he's not a mush he's absolely Absolutely. If it bothers you, work on it or you'll be successful or you won't be successful. That's like saying if you don't have an to your father like what does that mean? And there's no it doesn't say anywhere you have to love your father says you have to your father your parents. Now, do you have to love the it helps there's no question about it that if you have an to the it certainly helps but if you don't feel that yeah it doesn't say in that that's necessary or is that it's necessary so a person shouldn't feel bad it's normal if you live in and you weren't let's say raised in the atmosphere which would sort of induce a person to have that feeling it doesn't make a difference we're talking about doing what the wants is means learning let's say learning as they stated in in in learning like it says going and then you know you're a you know it you are you are you could always do more so it it there's no real straight answer to the question and the minute we focus too much on requiring that feeling what it does is it makes those that don't have it feel bad I was sitting before once there was a few sitting around there were the babes and one of them was crying that he doesn't have an I looked at him like Really, that's what this is about? It's nice and you could cry like that, but that's not what this is about. You're doing whatb wants. You're going you're teaching, you're being what more could you ask for? It bothers you. Say that. Figure it out. It's it's it's the same thing. If someone people complain that they don't have a feeling for the TA mitzvah that they're doing, that's like saying, "I don't have a feeling to change the diaper of my child." You do it anyways because that's what you're supposed to do and you do it anyways. Now, if you want to be miserable, so you'll be miserable. If you want to figure out a way to make it work, figure out how to make it work. But that's all secondary thing. The main thing is doing what you're supposed to do. >> Yeah. And the rabbi said very clearly, I mean, and yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, here's a different thing. It's only it's not. 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It will be used day after day, month after month, year after year. You can have the set. Go to deher.org/ org/ourdays. Order your set today and start living with. >> So I wanted to ask you like um I wanted to ask about and the limited is is an important component of it. So I think I had a mashia once that was talking about that there's different components and elements of this there's a I think if I remember correctly what he was saying was he was a bak this was there's another feeling that we felt and that was like a we felt like so um when he learned the mention I just watched disc goes this whole difference is so in the way he's saying over saying it over and I think it's aish of I mean there's the there's the limit that that all the obviously taught and especially inaving but there's like a whole another element by the rebba that Mahhamb spent hours upon hours, you know, in your times, every single Shabas and so many videos and so so many ways to access it. And sometimes I think it might not be like I don't know it's not appreciated or it's not there's not enough emphasis put on the fact that being a you have to be able to have to have the relationship that you have with the has to be in a way that like I I I learned my not just who I followed who who I learned from. So maybe that's I so my question for you is what are the elements in the like that you know to be focused on and how do you acquire that? >> I know you you deal with but every everyone's so >> so there's two there's two really parts to this and I'm not necessarily the one that knows the answers. First of all, there's the fact that when the Reb spoke about the so he he expressed that he's not interested in this whole fight. There's no to me. What does to me? You would think the first thing he would say is or I'll have an answer or not. Then afterwards he said the first thing he said is myash. This is my >> that's my that's what the reb this is who I am. And you see from the it's in learning. So we talk about the there's two parts to that. There's number one in addition to the demonstrated to us what it means. I mean had the whole world on his shoulders. The whole world on his shoulders. I once spoke to I said you think that was a CEO. That's what he did all day. I mean a holy CEO. CEO whatever words you want to use tell him this yeah he did it for a small part of the day most of the day this was hisb's life and he came to and you could see the once wrote a letter to someone who said he didn't get personal answers the said what I think I remember the it was recently but recently could be in the last 10 years publicized the said that I want to bring you into what I'm in the of this is the And the demonstrated that I met once tell him I heard a tape of a was a he said four hours look at him like he fell off the moon. Yeah, he thought what's like in filament didn't put on the whole day. That's what was talking about that four hours the reb was speaking um because the doesn't know that this is a side point is our fault. were very good in publicizing the movement of etc etc but the godless we have somehow for some reason failed to publicize that to completely I mean your average those that know that know that there was a liter guy came to Marste once tells me I know you know how to learn his father also knew how to learn at that point we didn't have the the the and whatever the from the on the shelf there I would have shown him it's so Chinese that even I don't understand the word that it says that that's how big of a but they don't know and there there has to be some this is something to be done that we can bring the islo that when you if you get interviewed by magazine they're never going to make the bigger than the but they have to come out that is at least as big as let's say what they those days they call right at least right but not that they're happy that we're putting out film with they have and we we do the what they call let's say the the work that they don't want to do we have nob was the biggest right so part of this conversation is yeah like if you were there and you see it on the videos where does the getb get animated when the is upset about something things that are happening to the world that's where theb gets excited it's it's It's unbelievable. >> Yeah. In this I'm talking about says screaming but the before I think or two before the says is screaming as well. >> But there was once a famous but the next the complained that I spoke 15 minutes about President Johnson in politics in the 15 minutes. was I this that I spoke so much in learning nobody cos that the 15 minutes about politics that's what everybody was talking the spoke about it because he had to speak about it but the has to be the the and learning so this number one the I myself saw I mean I was once inside by when the gave the love to the and then to the when they presented the so I was punked inside there I got in and I was on the steps and I was looking over the Reb's head because I was higher on the steps into the Reb's room and I saw I saw whatever table that if his table was his mish opposite the room and you could see was opened that his glasses were on the his chair was moved as if he was pushed sitting and learning probably I imagine I couldn't see you know what's he's going to pick till the minute that he got up and went outside and the safer was still open that's what the was doing sitting and learning till the last second I mean says a story he peaked in once the was sitting with a safer a big safer or till the middle of the he closed the safer And then the Reb went down to didn't waste a minute. He sat and learned anyways and and you saw it the wasn't the in his learning. I mean he for sure was because we don't know even menu of what the Reb was learning etc. But but he made it open that this is my so that's point number one and there's learning there are actually it's when you start to learn the and I look now when I learn of and when I was a it's it's a different limit okay because you're more mature you're older and you see things differently so when you're younger you're like just learning the you're not learning and also you don't know enough you don't know a lot now when you know more you push it around so you look at it from from broader lenses of what the Reb is really doing here and and it's amazing And you have different kinds of and it's hard to tell a person to choose what talks to him more of because when it comes to it doesn't make a difference. If you learn of you learn of what's known as easy of but if you learn more and more and more it literally and you appreciate learning because number one if you don't appreciate learning the is not going to do anything to you. It's not I mean is for sure it will but it as opposed to to getting a person involved if you don't appreciate learning it's not going to do usually it's not going to do anything you have to appreciate learning once you appreciate learning and understand what learning mean and then you learn that and you learn that and you learn even it's harder is harder it gives you such an on every single and you have to like that you have to appreciate that and as yeden we're supposed to not just every single is supposed to you're supposed to be able to talk to another and it's supposed to get a person excited and it you could talk about it from so many angles there's of the and similar to the I remember this where the spoken about the godless of the pur it's a huge fab >> the use the said it's like one of the novelties of of of the Bria >> of the Brig is gay. Correct. So So and and the style of the Shabb right that's the same. >> I don't I was young then I' I've seen that faban afterwards and there's also a lot of mashia similar to whatever spoken in the later years um different it was it was a tremendous fab anyway. So afterwards in Detroit we were kids we were 14 years old. So he told us I'm telling you that was explaining about himself also because the style that liked the he was booking all the taught him that his style is similar to the to peel away and get to the and explain all that but these are all when you start to appreciate when you start appreciate you start to appreciate what is the doing here and the is what I find with the is usually you have certain that they have a they have a you have you have but the there's no you could learn different styles of explaining to detailed in certain goes to the whole about our style right that's the sort of style goes and gets over just with that so there's no real one schnit of you can say that this is I mean the one schnit that's abi is that all of the are connected one to one and therefore you can learn it in different ways has to has to fit with and whatever that's that's one malik obviously but it expresses itself in so many different areas for example I love this because I I caught my I couldn't catch my breath when I read the learned the first time when it came out I don't know whatever it was close to 30 years ago so it's everybody should learn it because it's unbelievable number became that the story happened. The reb goes to the he never said in it's by the way fascinating that the whole which is one of three huge books almost nothing that the speak afterwards almost few things he did in fact some parts are the as well but if almost 100% it's all new material that the spoke throughout the years and this he never spoke about but this makes the other talk about it and breaks it This this is not a this is it's not this is not a it's g and if you appreciate you you you can't catch your breath when you learn that and if you develop a a taste to appreciate what the is doing and how the goes and tif and you really develop an appreciation for that you connect yourself to the and you continue learning it but it's very very important to remember learning something like once and not properly is not going to get you It's nothing learning the first time or doing because you have to be learn and you not really miss in what you're learning and sort of think about what the is saying whether it's or whether it's it's it's I can't say it's worthless obviously because there's an in of learning right theem learning but if you want to become part of it you have to again and again and actually this whole project um not project the hik that the for the only only a certain amount of bim can join obviously probably because of funds. There's no money to start giving prizes to to everybody. Um that actually does that and you see it the and the and they push it end up end up knowing it. I would always suggest to people whenever you learn now you're going to forget it and then you again in a year it comes back all and it's a tremendous lim. So it's something that you know we lived with at the time with because there was new coming out the coming out and I remember those because I learned that [clears throat] okay so those some of them I remember even better than a that I learned last week because you lived with it when it came out I was connected to not to the so much that's just me but my for example the is what they were connecting to tremendously and you can pick you can't unless you're mame a genius and you spend and learning a whole day and there are those inab you could write them an email where does the talk about any topic boom in a second they'll give it to you we need those people but whatever talks to you and from there you'll develop you'll develop a an appreciation and a connection with the which is ultimately but you can't forget the first you have to have a the truth is if you don't know enough or a lot of you really don't know what the is talking about the most of that are already step two. You have to know what's flying. You have to know some and and if you don't, you have to learn it with someone who can tell you. And the truth is it's as well and as well and is referencing referencing almost always if you punk know that you'll see it's a different happens to me. I don't know a lot of the sukas that is talking about especially I don't know most of it. But if you punk know a particular sug then you open up the mime right or the isb is and you re you know what he's talking about otherwise you think you do and you really don't but you see in videos when the start speaking raam I guess all you see like bakham grabbing uh grabbing a raam and start looking inside. So it's like uh >> used to come to every and and he would and the andb would like if she he would open up the I remember how he used to stand on top I would watch him he would open it up he would follow along that is the saying [snorts] >> I mean I don't know I mean the there was a whole would they would announce whatever not always certain >> there was sometimes the didn't they didn't that was going to didn't we didn't know that until he walked to the front didn't walk behind the reb he would stand in the front by the beam in the front and the rebb would walk by him and he would shake his head and sometimes he would say that's how everyone watched the shook his head this is up till for example the walked by him no only time the did earlier downstairs was said he's going to so there was no tequ so I was diving in the back I didn't have a place there was no pushing the walked into And right when he walked in, he turned to to label and says half an hour. So in the back of we already knew this till the news travel. So when I when I I learned by your father Miami. So I think every single shir he brought in. Okay. He connected it. Um so I could be part of it. I know I know we're not fixing all the problems, but I think maybe part of the issue is that you're learning all day in Yeshiva and then like um at night after at night at 9:30 at night people are like you know donuts they're learning you know and it's like extracurricular activity. So I mean you mentioned which is a beautiful thing that's happening in the through the that's making in the my question is when appropriate does I don't know what's happening in yeshiva today but is it appropriate to have it incorporated as part of the limo let's say if there's there's a that learning that that there's something from the like you know I know there was a gam once that they that they made above mitsia with with the on the side from the part Yes. And they made it they published a Gur with with with that on the side. >> They didn't come out whatever. That's that's a whole another story. The publisher never passed away. Whatever he got saved, it's a whole different story. Um the short answer is that first of all it's done in all the in other words if there's a from the or from the or from the Reb that goes into the nigla parts of of of the nigla the rash make copies and they give sh a minute um or they tell the to learn it. um when they're learning the if they're learning let's say from the or or or whatever and there's from theb they always bring it that's obvious that's not even what you're saying about incorporating a li of yeshiva the problem with that is the would not allow it and did not allow it didn't even allow um what the is and what the reason is I I think it's pretty obvious I mean some maybe why say that didn't want to you know take away from the regular learning to for his own I I don't think he would allow or or even whatever it is any other from it's not learning the didn't want because theb felt I think I think that learning his is not on of what every is supposed to be doing and we're >> the only says the introduc to we're only adding okay exactly well I hear from someone the said this is no time anymore if every single day for every there's no time anymore. Um, no, the Reb didn't want that. So therefore, it's not a conversation. The bottom line regardless of what we think and what we want, it's definitely you could do that certain times. Look my father still in Miami smack in the middle of the afternoon say gives a half an hour started off as a mashia when the rebba started talking mashia when I was there in Miami in giml and nundal it was still a mashia and now it developed into I think there are people that come to that because it's it's a very very good sh it's a half an hour smack in the middle of um he made that decision to do that I guess obviously and brought in to the but um look I remember as a kid I shouldn't say this but I'll say it anyways because people I take this the wrong way. I remember as a kid my father fabanging with the I guess it was in my house cuz I was there. Why would I be there? I was a little kid. He was and he was screaming at the how is it possible that I don't walk by your table and you don't right away hide the meaning why am I not catching you learning in the middle of he was trying to say yeah of course you're not allowed to learn I'm going to scream at you for I don't want this to be taken the wrong way as if I'm giving a for to close and learn there's a time for everything we could talk about a lot of and and take take a punishment for it if you have to. That's a different conversation whatever but but I'm just bring out an sometimes the problem is that a is because he doesn't want to learn and that's a different problem it's a different conversation the buck that wants to learn and also wants to look with the fine okay you have to find the balance [snorts] right um and I guess what you're I guess you have you're saying an important point that you have to have in order to appreciate this I mean if you if you watching If you don't know, forget about the if you're not going to understand. >> Oh, that's that's >> part of part of the part of understanding of is getting used to the sign, but you have to be able to know the the >> the lingo of talking about the wasb spoke to children different the three there four different styles of the that he spoke. He spoke regular. He spoke to children. Spoke to the women. And then he spoke to spoke once a year with bus and people from old age homes. And the spoke the style was a yiddish like the ofel that he used to write up in the later years with the the fancy yiddish that that I don't even understand the word. If you take a listen to the till the later years that's how the spoke. But when he spoke a regular he was speaking to mention we have to know what the talking we have to know we have to know even in the earlier everything is translated into every statement it's translated later it's not already there's no translations of kazal even in the >> right to know it [snorts] >> I don't know figure it out >> yeah the later is written like a like um like a safe or That's afterl that's after after but I'm saying even the ones in Yiddish which is not it's not translated it's know >> right um okay are there you you said that uh are there certain inanim have a question about you said that all all different styles right is there a unique that's like unique to the in absolutely not even a question. I mean the the mashim could probably tell you about the is my probably better than me but in that unique style of breaking down the rashi like that I mean I'm not such a buck you know all the others but that's that's something unique and the belt understood that those that knew they just wrote now gave out now they gave out a whole because it's so many years from from the >> [snorts] >> um they gave out a whole and they did a very very good job on that they did a very a good job on that. >> Yeah, I interviewed someone and he said that people in Crown Heights that still live there, not Labavatures, people started coming to Fabian because like this is like a whole especially that you know in the day I don't know how much of a focus there is in but for sure that every would ask obvious questions. like clots cautious like you're not like what are you talking about that would ask and like really I was embarrassed or scared to think about such a question because you're being you know >> right and it's als it's also because the way the the the framework of what is a question the >> right >> that's the lot a lot of these right I think some of them are are from before and some of them are right >> yeah yeah took well they wrote the that wrote was based on the reb But there are certainly a from previous I believe. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But but a lot of them are are not in previous. >> Correct. Correct. most of them are from theb most of it's from a lot of the that we have in today that the made those throughout the wanted it to be compiled and and he did that and the gave they gave out the so the yeah there's a there's many but broke it down that's I think where you see the is and it's it's it's amazing >> I think so what about uh when the Reb explains like that there's like and then that and like there's many like that. Okay, that's the that's the but yeah that style is I I would imagine I would imagine that's of to to go into the first like the seam of is supposed to represent what is and the seam of is representing what is on every single because it's sort of expressing who they are and that's how the goes through the you were talking about that I've explained there there's a number of like that yeah I would imagine that's the but how many are Yeah. Like >> it was every week. >> Yeah. >> I mean another Indian like you mentioned before that by the you can basically choose which uh which thing talks to you the most. I [snorts] mean you see that in one faban there's the first two is one and there is a different then you know and there might be somebody that uh you know said that the said why all of a sudden is everyone listening when I speak about but there's someone that gets very attached to the this is also part of the outlook it's part of the that's why the spend time talking about it obviously so I mean It's it's it's it's a different it's different but it's um >> not not only that said a story for some people he said for some people for some people the first time I had to dash in somewhere I asked somebody advice he says try to do like try in your 10 minutes say something that everybody will like one guy likes a joke say a joke like and like this you you get the crowd I mean it's difficult obviously but uh yeah 100% there are some people who stood by Fabian didn't understand a word of Yiddish when the Reb made with his hand. Uh there was a guy who stood next to him and didn't understand a word of Yiddish. He would when the Reb would make with his hand, he would go crazy. He would go, "Come on, Remy. Get up. Get up already." This was his stood up and dance. Yeah. This we keep on referencing. You said in the middle of the story was connected to the but like said the story. So >> said the story. Yeah. >> Sorry. Yeah. >> Um Okay. And um Okay. So I think um that's it. That's% you can't only you have to make sure that people understand that you have to expected his He expected his told monkey said he said it in the it's an interview you learn to become a and it works by us we're not learn no there are three reasons why we learn number one number two and number three this was the literally needs us needs us because It's forget about that. Obviously, you want somebody else to learn, right? >> You also you need to be on the same page to understand if you don't learn why you learn if you don't learn a word, but you have to show that you know, you don't have to be you have to show that you're learning and you're expected that from every single to go till today. You need to fill out on I filled them out all for the you have to be able to have an inig and is to be able to what you need for you're going to sell and you're going to put on no that's how we're going to influence the belt is with that was but a whole another conversation but that's very very important and and the bottom line is I have yet to see anyone that's a knows that is that's also an it's just it's not possible and they're not becoming only from which by the way will work as well. If you really focus, it's possible because if you do the research on every single and know what is talking about, you will become a tremendous in just in and of itself, which is a tremendous a tremendous thing. I remember I got heckled once I once spoke to speaking about my my father that I'm learning since the beginning almost. I mean, I missed here and there obviously. So I said you learn you also end up knowing this bottom line is of it. >> I think that's what the said when he started know >> of course [snorts] but anyways >> okay. Amen. While I'm on that subject, I'll just add a little plug over here. So it says in that ar is not to say but here it says the answer is what the meant is we don't say to but when you're speaking to and I think when theb spoke to the women before he would say to although but that's what you're supposed to say doesn't say it in the so obviously when you speak to you say to when you speak Even if you don't say ears and say another just a note just a note it says see this doesn't specifically say now there are places that it does say but you have to make sure that whatever the trying to emulate should be in sync with that's just a a point >> there's a use a lot in theans I think in the earlier years especially Yeah. Yeah. So that's like this means of of what? Of of the state have a lot about. >> Amen.