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The entire competition was give me a
moment of the Reb,
give me a a ko from the Reb, give me a a
give me a nonb. That was the whole
competition.
People went to end the world just for to
get that one moment for the
cuz that one is is is
there's nothing in the world like that.
There's nothing there's nothing than
that. There's nothing like that.
>> I'm Yasi Cayman. Welcome to among
an ongoing fabin about life as aid. Our
vibrant connection with the Reb and
inspired living shaped by the way he
teaches us each and every day.
Okay. Rabi Greenberg was
hashem. How are you?
Hashem, I got a report that uh Alaska
this year was um the warmest winter. I
know the Reb told you to unvan him in
Alaska. I think uh you you did it
already.
>> The Reb told me more than once. No.
>> Well, the Reb said it twice. The first
time the Reb said it actually to
Balabos, not to me directly. I mean, I
was with the Balabos. I came with with a
couple and she was Jewish and he was um
convert and he converted in Khan Heights
and there is a whole story I don't know
if we should repeat that story um if you
want to talk about that story there's a
whole story about this Balabos which is
an amazing um an amazing uh example of
the Reb's vision 50 years ahead
>> of the game I think you have to say it
because I heard the story but I I don't
understand the whole
>> that story is amazing story because um
here you have two bimulam
who going to Alaska in 19 in 1970 to
that was the first time the rebb sentim
to Alaska and was trying to go to Alaska
before that and the rebba didn't give
permission could see everything is
no he asked for said
Now Kakov came out of the Reb's room and
he said, "Lo is going to Alaska." The
Reb gave permission and um and they went
to Alaska and uh it's amazing. They were
here for three weeks. One week in
Anchorage in the big city, one week in
Juno, one week in Fairbanks and they
wrote to the Reb from those three weeks.
And when you read the Duke today, 55
years later,
it's like as if it was written today
because they describe to the Reb
what is the matter of Yiddish in Alaska.
It's just unbelievable.
Anyway, and um
I wish I would have the D when I went
on, but anyway, I didn't even know about
this D. You know how it goes in Kabad
that Bim went and they gave the d into
me and it was laying somewhere in a in a
And
>> what's so important about the duk? What
does it say in the d?
>> So in the d they tell the rebba how they
came to to Anchorage and they went to
the Jewish center in Anchorage, the only
Jewish center there was. And there was
this this person, this Balabos, he was
the the president of the temple.
>> But he wasn't Jewish.
>> He wasn't Jewish. His wife was Jewish
cuz nobody else wanted to be the
president cuz who wants the the pain to
run to run the whole place. So he was
the president of of that Jewish center.
It wasn't even yet associated with a
certain movement. It was just the place
of Jews to come.
And and what's interesting, what's
unique about this because he was not
Jewish, he opened the center for them.
He said you could do whatever you want.
You could put on film, do whatever you
want. And the other balabos was Perry
Green who opened the home for them.
Now after a week in Anchorage they went
to Fairbanks. This Balabos wrote to the
Reb, beautiful letter, a tight letter
and I have the letter in he writes to
the Reb how impressed he was with the
Bim, how they represent the values of
Judaism, how proud he was with them and
he wishes one day he could be part of
this. And then he quotes to the Reb all
kinds of lines from the Mishnas that you
know that he knew that would represent
the values of Jadim represented those
values that they it was just an amazing
letter thanking the Reb for sending them
all the way from New York to Alaska.
Now the Bim have no idea that he sent a
letter to the Reb. They come back three
weeks later from from Alaska to New
York. Shulangam is a relative of of
Binyamin Klein because he's from the
same um Abishusman's family. Forgot
exactly how but he's from the family. So
Binyamin tells them come into the
office. The Reb wrote something for you
guys. So he comes into the office and
shows him the envelope of this Balabos
who wrote a letter to the Reb. And his
name was a very strong non-Jewish name.
His name was Erling Kushensson.
>> Doesn't get more dangerous than that.
>> And under his name, the Reb wrote one
word, Yehoodi.
So now they So says to to Biam, I will
we will write to the Rebel report that
he's not Jewish, but he wants to be
Jewish and his wife is Jewish and has a
Jewish child and so on and on. And then
later they of course they wrote to the
Rebel report. The Reb didn't say
anything about this. That was the only
thing that the Reb wrote about the old
D, the old visit in Alaska.
And then what was interesting is that 21
years later, this is Lammed Lammed. I
was 5 years old.
I'm finally going. We went here to to
check out this place in the summer of
Toshinon and the Reb gave us we we asked
the Reb
if we have
in Seattle to go to Alaska and should we
be should we look into it? Should we go
to Alaska? And the Reb wrote and we
asked the should we be the made a line a
little line under the
and label showed me the line and we knew
that we going. So we went to we went to
Alaska to check it out for a week. We
came back and then eventually we went on
like seven eight months later we went in
and we come here this
is only we came here like two days
before por to Alaska. There was a poor
party waiting for us and there was a
whole the whole community was waiting
and um the only person who said to me
shalom was this Balabas and I saw
something unusual with him because
everyone said hi hi you know American
the only person said shalom
>> he said the words okay yeah
>> he said the word shalom and I was like
oh what is this all about and of course
a few days later he said he came to my
office he sat me down to my house and he
said um he told me the whole life story
how he was he's from Denmark and during
the during the Holocaust he was a he was
a sailor and he saw what the Nazis did
to the Jews. He was so angry when he
came to New York. He jumped the border.
He said, "I'll never go back to Europe."
And he started to hang out with some Jew
with some, you know, Europeans and
Jewish kids. And she was she was a she
was a a daughter of a Orthodox rabbi who
passed away young. She was a she was an
orphan and um somehow they got involved
and they got married and they ran away
as far as they can from New York because
the family was upset that he she married
out and then they had a baby.
He said to her, "Well, the baby is
Jewish, so I'm going to become Jewish.
We're going to raise the kids Jewish."
And he started to study and he he had
he's the only person that when I came to
Alaska, he had a shas in English and a
mission in English. even to get the
Jewish press, they will read it from
cover to cover and very he was a very
knowledgeable person, very interesting
person. And um so he sits me down and he
tells me, you know, for 20 years I'm
begging people to convert me and you're
going to convert me. And I said, I just
came, you know, yesterday from Yeshiva,
I'm not converting anybody. Not
happening. And he was like putting
pressure on me every week after week
after week. And finally um I called
brother Milo and I told him the whole
story and I said to him what should I do
you know? So Milo said if he knows
everything and he really wants it bring
him I'll do the conversion. I don't even
know if Milo ever did any conversions
beside this conversion and we actually
we we the conversion we made on on King
you know the old Mika on Kingston and
Montgomery
then we do the conversion there if you
remember that old Mika. So, so um going
back to the story when I come to I come
to New York, I come to to Sandy with
this Balabos. By the way, there was a
whole story related to that visit which
maybe I'll tell you later with the Reb.
So, but I wrote a Reb letter from the
airport that I'm bringing the Balabos
for for Sunday for dollars and that he's
coming with me for the conversions.
>> What you mean? What do you mean you
wrote it from the airport? You fax it?
>> I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. If I got
to I forgot to write to the Reb before I
left and I'm bringing him and I want I
know I'm going to come for Shabas and
I'm going to come for I'm going to come
with him for I want to write to the Reb.
So on the way either it was in Utah or
it was in Minnesota we found a fax
machine and I wrote to the Reb and this
was a few weeks after the
>> Mhm.
>> So I'll come back to that story that the
famous story you know.
>> No I don't know but you
>> I'll come back to anyway. So, so I come
to to I've come to New York and I go on
Kingston Avenue with Bella Buzz and
Schmoozer comes by and he sees me and he
looks at me. He knew I went to Alaska.
Everyone know about it.
>> N he looks at him. He says, "Oh my gosh,
that's him." I said, "What do you mean
that's him? What are you talking about?
I had no idea what he's talking about."
Oh my god, that's him. So, he takes me
aside. He said, "Listen, he's the person
the Reb wrote about him in 21 years ago.
And now he's coming to the Rebel and
he's becoming a full-fledged because he
asked I kept I kept pushing him off. So
he said I said I'm not doing conversion.
Then I said to him we only do
conversions in New York. So I'll find
New York. I'll take the whole with me.
So I didn't know what to do. So I said
you know what I only do Kabad
conversions. So he said what is a kabad?
I said with a hat and I took I'll do it.
So
>> you weren't expecting that, huh?
>> I didn't expect that. Of course not. And
and finally and finally um so we we came
to the Reb. So first so the that morning
we came like a few days before Chavez.
So I I I took him into 77 used to come
those days every every day ding. So I
put him with a beer with the beamer.
When the river comes in
the middle of
>> the middle of sh came in I was hiding
but I put him there himself and the reb
came in and the river like looked him up
up and down and then came by dollars. So
the reb
so so I came by and I told the rebba
that he's that he is the person from
Alaska that I brought here
and uh and the reb said the reb
responded
with
and then and then I said he helps after
that I said he helps us a lot he really
helps support the so the said in Yiddish
he should continue supporting more and
then when I finished what I said to The
Reb, the Reb gave him a the Reb gave him
a dollar and then the Reb turned to his
wife and the Reb started all in English
and the Sikh was then was um Alb said
like this Alaska is very far from here.
They pointed out very far like to denote
that Alaska is very far from here and
Alaska has a Alaska has a name or gives
a cold attention but people hear them
with Alaska.
>> It calls attention.
>> No, it gives it gives a cold attention.
Ah okay.
>> It makes people think of coldness. When
you say the word Alaska you think of
coldness. But the Reb said but to spread
Yiddish kite you have to have a stronger
temperature. Which meant that to live in
Alaska you're in the homes you have to
have a stronger temperature to live
here. So when it comes to Yiddish kite
don't think of coldness but the opposite
to spreadshite even with stronger
temperature with stronger vine. That was
the first thing the Reba said the first
time and we saw the Reb with this
Balabos and that was in English and I've
explained the message of Alaska to the
world but the Reb's message of Alaska is
to have a stronger temperature in order
to overcome the the coldness that was
the one thing and then later because of
this balabos typically when you go on
you don't come back three months later
to 770 with your whole family
>> you're not typical no
>> and so but because of this story
is that this story brought me to the
rabb.
So first we had a conversion and
according to according to the ultimate
>> according to a conversion yeah
>> you have to wait three months between
the conversion and the and the wedding.
>> Okay. So typically today there are that
with such a age with people he was
already in the 60s that you could make
it the day after but we did with Marlo
we did it the real way the way the
ultimate way so it took three months. So
after three months we came back for his
wedding and the entire family her whole
family from New York came to the wedding
because and they were all judges and
lawyers and they were all secular and he
the non-Jews become
he's with getting married and they are
all the Jews they are all the secular
Jews they all came
>> and we were supposed to have a beautiful
in the in the in the yard between the 77
between the 770 and the library, you
know, in the backyard in the courtyard
where where usually the suk is. But that
an hour before the we heard that the
chief rabbi of Israel is coming to the
Reb. The Reb is going to the library to
this is this is this is yeah the Reb is
going to to welcome him in his in his in
his office in the library and not in the
Reb's room because Reb's room had a bed.
It couldn't couldn't accept guest. So we
had to move the entire kopa and fold all
the chairs because the reb is going to
walk there and we went back to have the
kopa in front of the reb's room you know
>> so bish bash bish the reb had in his
office and the entire anash and all the
bim were there with a huge crowd we had
at the time and we had the same exact
time
>> and you know the microphones are you
hear the older and we and and all of the
guests from New York came from family,
all the secular Jews who all came and
said, "Well, of course they all saw the
old crowd." He told everyone came for
this wedding and um and it was really
and that Shabas before the wedding, we
we went to the Reb to to get a battle of
Mashk for the wedding and the wedding
>> he went he went up or you went
>> I went with him together. That was the
only time I went for a battle of Mashk.
You know,
>> you made the made the announcement
>> and actually it happened that Shabbat
there were like 50 balash
and there was like all and and it took
time to get his B was he was in his 60s.
He was not used to climbing a benches in
70. So it was took time to get him there
but we finally got him there and the reb
was almost to a point that was waiting
for us but everyone already got and he's
still shleapping taking him from from
you know from table to table jumping
people's heads till we got to to the but
it was and the reba
and then and then we also g by dollars
that Sunday and and he gave the reba
album from our activities and the reb
said dying for the album and again the
Reb gave us a very strong at that time.
The Reb said to me that
was a very special at the time the
second time. Then the third time we went
was the same year
we went for because it was the
and somehow we decided to go the whole
family and we went for that was our
heres. We didn't know why we decided to
do it. We just were here the whole
family twice already. What was there
saying there's a fourth yard site,
right?
>> It was a fourth yard site and but I
don't know we decided to go the whole
family and this was the last time we saw
the Reb before the ST and we went by the
Reb and uh we didn't of course we had no
Balabos with us. We didn't plan to you
know to talk to the Reb or anything
special but the Reb stopped us. When the
reb is by dollars or by the Sunday
>> by dollars by dollar by Sunday the reb
stopped us and um and and there was
every time we went with our children the
rebba asked of every one of the children
in Alaska Alaska and even asked and he
gave a to my wife
a very special and then we left already
and behind us was was Jacobson um our
cousin
um Borl Jacobson's wife with his with
Bor Jacobson's wife with his
>> she's Rabov's daughter
>> and and she and they had a they had a
little child of Sheresh and they were
behind us and and the Reb already
started to give her a dollar and then
the Reb stopped and the Reb like the way
the Reb would turn and the Reb screamed
loud because we were riding the Reb
screamed loud.
So we turn around, we ran back and the
Reb smiled. The whole room filled up
with the Reb smile and the Reb said
we were standing frozen because like it
was such an unusual uh it was like a
real like like called Yi that day after
after Dallas and he said to him, "Oh,
the Reb is like Alaska has a special
>> Yeah, I was about to say.
There's something about Alaska that uh I
mean it's always like is all over the
world from Alaska. It's always part of
the
>> actually it's interesting that
um you know that came out
>> so there is the introduction to
>> in the for some reason in English they
wrote they wrote from El Paso to
Anchorage that was the mia that ped a
few ago that
>> happens to be your brother's in
but you know the the reb has a special
co in in in
>> but the the for there's a few ago on
that very same page like a line after
that where it says read the reb
saw it
>> and um so the reb
to toim
in the far far corners of the world
and there's a very famous for
where the reb talks about it in in
length of of the famous story which muer
the old story um so the rebuer
>> the old story which mufer that he um was
the was the head of the head of the bisk
in Israel
>> the and he was a member of our sh inbak
he lived where I lived I grew up as a
child with him and he was a one of the
biggest
>> he lived in all his life and he was a
speaker he was he was one of the
greatest speakers of kabad if in kabad
events or out events he he was one of
of in Israel and we grew up as children
you know with him with his in his
presence. So he always told the story
about how infur
to New York to be by the reb he couldn't
go he couldn't go for t because t is
when school starts and he has to do
registration and the whole thing in the
classrooms but what so anyway so he
decided he'll he to go for he comes for
he comes for he comes for
calls him inov said to him you have a
special from the what's the going to
travel to Minnesota for purim. He came
to the Reb for Purum. You're going to
travel to Minnesota for Purim and then
you'll meet Mashella
and with him together you'll travel to
to Iowa that little town in Iowa and
there is a Jew there. There's a Russian
Jew there who became F and he asked for
that someone should come to read the
migilla and he'll call all the Jews in
ins Iowa to come to the Gilla reading.
So you will read the migilla for that
and you'll go with myella and you'll
read the migilla my fellow will
translate in English and he'll explain
and he's like I came to New York to the
rabbit the rabbi is sending me away to a
little town and he went there and of
course the said he went he went there
and he said he was shocked because two
Israelis walked over to him as they were
married to non-Jews and um and there was
a he he always says how they told him
yes they're very into Judaism so I said
they're into Jews or they into Judaism
anyway and and and after that so he said
every one of them was like intermarried
there was nobody there was both of them
were Jewish small community now there is
a there Jacobson there is our campus
city
>> but it's even today it's a small town
compared you know and anyway so so he
comes he comes back so the next morning
he had to fly back to New York so he had
no minion you I had no minion to come
to, you know, and he flies back to New
York and um half a day. So he comes he
comes to New York. It's already the
afternoon. He didn't hear the migill
yet. He goes to his brother's house in
Williamsburg and someone read the migill
for him and finally he ran to the
Fabang. He came to he thinking himself
the day
why was I punished I came to New from
Israel. You know those days to fly from
Israel to you know what that meant to
fly from Israel to New York. It's a big
deal. It's huge. And I'm coming to the
Reb. And the Reb sends me away to a
little town. I mean, the Reb could have
sent to Baham there,
>> right?
>> Me and my need to go to a little town, a
little and then comes from after the Reb
old and the Reb start explain that what
spoke about that may
that he had to show his in all the 27
countries.
And and you have to and when when do we
know that the is running the world? When
you see it in every one of the 127
countries and that speak about about the
in the small towns in the kat and the
rabbit speak about the people could ask
the question why put so much effort in
going to small towns in eve where there
is maybe one family three families when
the same money the same energy you could
do in a big city and affect more Jews
beautiful
have to give several answers. Reb says
first of all in a big city there are all
the Jews who could help them. So here
because nobody else will go to the small
town and there is if you heard about
this town need you have to go you have
to go and do it and then after all the
explanations the says in a big city
there are many managers who going to
help him but in this place if not you
who's going to help them then
>> and then the end the reb says which
seems like the ultimate answer the reb
says that this is That year when the
rebal
in that year after the six day war the
reb explained that that
say inash
one is
that's one post and then there's another
post of that it says that there be there
be a
which god will be ston so the reb said
that the one apostle spoke speaks about
what the aisha will do the bigish will
waken up the nations of the world that's
world war I world war ii that was the
for after the six day war that was sp
and then
is about the six day war that what what
happened during the six day war that
many many Jews all over the world were
awakened to
So there
says that when do you know that you're
getting ready for Mashiach
when when you deal with the and the
>> when you those who are and
when you deal with the then you know
>> but the first
but there were to to big cities no in
the beginning
>> of course Of course there was there was
I mean the first was to Morocco which is
in a certain you know in a certain way
at the time when most Jews left Morocco
as they were left with without
everything. thought from Morocco was
definitely a mochid to a certain degree.
>> You see um
>> want everywhere. No question about it. I
saw this also as a hit from the Reb at
least then I remember once um as I was
in Miami they um I think I think I heard
from Rabbi Shapiro from Shapiro that um
they asked the about opening of the Ga
and the Reb said I don't remember the
lion but that tonight that there is no
other
yeshiva that exists already in Miami and
there wasn't so that
So you see this thing
but there is one there already. Let's
open up a place that doesn't have you
know I think that's connected.
So the Reb said at the end the Reb said
at the end of that said to everyone said
like this as it says
the Reb said who has what to give
and they will give to all the are
sitting here and do not want to move and
go out of here and go to and go to so
will give them the to the and then the
said all the and then he turned around
and he showed him to stay in a big
felt that the Reb said to him like
even though he was aided from Bra who
was always going to sh with a migill in
his hand you know like the
rebels
to feel the feeling of being in a little
town and and dealing with Jews are
intermarried and giving being given
there the that's the says when do you
know the Messiah is coming when the when
the when you start to deal with
But you find them and you bring them
back.
>> I have a question. I think those years
it's very about those years in the end
of the
you don't see it so much in the llamas.
Why do you think?
>> Well, it depends if
>> I think in the mess when you're I think
the Reb starts speaking it again a lot,
right? What the what when the Reb spoke
in my in my years for example when the
Reb said
when the was singing very strong and
after that the Reb said
what is the tellsum you're singing you
should know what is
go conquer every every corner in the
world so the did start again to speak
about in a in a very strong way in an
unusual way from from the mems it
started
>> started speaking about
>> right after after the after the
immediately after
a whole campaign a whole huge campaign
of kabad established that was the the
shabas started speaking about in a very
strong way about
the two and spoke one shabas about about
the new step to build by building and
the next is that we spoke about what is
that the
are with us that that's the goal. So the
g you don't know why you don't have any
from the upon him or something you think
why the didn't speak about it so much in
the laments
>> well I don't know what does it mean so
much the spoke the l the lb spoke more
about which is another form of that's
how the rebb got all involved in
mim is all other form
the tento that's where the got the so
it's a It's another forum of that the
Reb started in addition to
the Reb like the Reb almost like took a
new a new initiative how to mobilize
every one of men, women and children
into into the work of a
>> by the way they when was speaking strong
about
also tied it in and it means
but also the whole mitzvah was on making
every home a kabad and
every every
that's in the mess.
>> Yes. I'm saying even when the mess is
speaking about he's making it applicable
like the said you could be one of the
says
but then way gets into the whole
>> he does the opposite
speaking about the concept of negate to
anybody to everybody in the end says
those that are
so
>> and and you could and you could see it
you could see that And if you if you
familiar yourself with the work of the
Reb that there were many many
accomplishments that accomplished
through people who were not
>> I I saw there's a book I forgot what the
book is called like it's like an
encyclopedia of like about Judaism. I
picked it up. I found it somewhere from
the lammed and it has a so there's like
a bunch of pages about labavich bunch of
pictures of the rabbi
those that were I forgot the name of it
but I have it at home but um they have a
list of all of the
around the world there's a Dr. Lucans is
on there.
There's people that have worked in in
that are that are on there like MK and
there's this this representative that
representative not necessarily I think
today we it would be you know later the
the greatest accomplishments major
accomplishments for Kabad were done
through people who did not you would
never believe that they are connected to
Lavage and they they they were able to
be in such places that no Lubava and no
was able to be that. The reb there are
countless stories of people who have
been in positions where they was spo for
example I give you one example I want to
I want to first tell you the story about
my settle from that visit from I told
you before
>> so when I wrote to the from the airport
that I'm going this was three weeks
after the famous
spoke about
in 2000 Again
at that time there was among to that all
theim should write the rebel letter that
they all accept the rebal
>> and uh and of course we all signed and
we were looking for ways what what we
didn't know what the Reb meant with
that. I remember I remember when I when
when I heard about the sik there it was
a surprise and uh my brother Schol was
now in China called me you heard the I
said what happened he said go listen to
the
>> so I ran to to call and
>> you didn't have a you didn't have a
>> I had a hookah but didn't have the ch at
the time yet to call everyone because it
was a surprise okay
>> so so anyway either I was in a meeting I
was in already
>> so I I I listened to The I heard the I
was the all night with my friends on the
phone waiting till the morning till
morning in New York which were me 6:00
in the morning but you 10:00 to see if
the Reb came down to Davin because it
was such a shock that
>> you say you thought that the Reb that's
it over
>> I didn't know what to think because
>> that you thought you you thought that
>> I was afraid that the Reb is like making
here major changes because
>> like did and
>> I'll tell you why because Because
because five years before when I was ash
>> there was a very similar to that
was basically basically similar to that
said that now is the time that he's
going to give over from the the mission
from the leader from theb to occur to
the generation the generation and then
nobody understood what it meant because
it was a very long an hour and a half
and many bu in
about different science in the world and
everything. Two weeks later,
>> is that the same?
>> What
>> about the Adam bomb? The same pur.
>> So, so two weeks later,
the Reb
started speaking in such a sharp way.
Why nobody understood and nobody did
anything. Nobody reacted to what he said
to him. And the Reb spoke in
very similar to the of
>> and and but was about himself that why
should he come downstairs and for with
he could lock himself up in his room and
he could better do better things learn
for himself d for himself anyway doesn't
affect anyone with this thing there's no
results so when I heard that I was like
I said oh my gosh who knows what's going
to happen here and it's interesting so I
thought the Reb is not going coming
going down. When I heard the Reb is
coming down, I went to sleep. And it's
funny, I just saw a talle from the Reb
that the Reb writes to someone. I just
saw it a few weeks ago came out of
settle and and someone wrote to the Reb
that people are very confused and I'm
very scared and this and the Reb said
and oh it's um either it's either it's
something that Rabbon Reb and the Reb
said I came down the next day to Davin I
continued everything. So the interesting
was like a because I was literally
afraid that the reb not come down and
the reb said the words I came down the
next morning to d.
>> So what happened what happened to the
you wrote you signed this letter about
the
>> so I wrote to the
mush because we already I felt to myself
if I if I signed it already. So when I'm
writing the to the letter I have to
write with that.
>> Yeah.
>> And when I came to I came to New York I
didn't expect to get an answer. So I
came to New York and Mesh Shabas I went
into label Goner to arrange that we
should go by dollars not with the
regular line we should go the whole
family together because I have a balos
with his wife so Rabos was sitting in
the office the label tells me I need to
tell you something go out with me
>> he didn't want to hear that so he comes
out with me to another room and he says
listen when the reb saw you settle he
turn it over and he wrote down
and will come let him
you like
when the Mashiah will come you dear like
you you let him know
>> so I was I was in total shock and I said
to label me I'm not even involved what
happened
I know I could tell you stories from
today to tomorrow but what happened was
but now I'm not even involved
>> you send me maybe you did things you
shouldn't whatever
the but now you're just you're just
following the
>> I'm like so said don't worry every one
of the people involved got this so this
week
>> so
>> but one second but there were people
that wrote like that that the didn't uh
write anything about it
>> no he said this week that week
>> so anyway so so later on so when I came
but I was afraid the next morning to go
to Dallas I didn't know what's going to
happen with Dallas after such a like oh
my god mame the
in such an amazing way. So that's known.
>> So that's what were the saying
about uh why do I come down? What were
the bakam saying then?
>> Oh actually there was a very strong
reaction to this um um very very strong
reaction. When the Reb left the the
Shaw, um we made an announcement a few
and we spoke about it very strongly that
um the old was still sitting at the top.
Well, you you made an announcement
what like
>> like that we are so disappointed and we
are have to do a noad to do to to to
make what the reb wants and nobody is
doing whatever wants like we were like
and um and the next morning we made a
novad with just came down from Israel
made a miach
>> that's the that's the mimos
>> no no that's different
>> that's a different what's
before that that's a bad special for
mashia in to bring mashia. The reb
that we have to do things to bring.
>> So anyway, so we went we went all over
all the went all over the and we raised
money at that time. We raised $10,000
with a lot of money.
>> Lot of lot of money for Baka, young Bak.
And um and of course we wrote a letter
to the Reb and Moses signed the letter
that we're going to make a new to the
Mashia. And anyway, Kamu someone in
didn't like it that it's already a
second vad we are making. That's one
thing the mim what's the story of the
mimos? What's
>> we'll come? We'll come to a second.
Yeah. So, so, so they were they were
very upset and um and they wrote to the
Reban of course and it came out a very
sharp settle from the Reban very sharp
against that. The Reb said if you want
to do things there are existing
organizations just join the existing
organization and help them but there is
no need to do and the Reb wrote a line
very interesting line you know every
time when the Reb um the Reb comes up
with in the there is the the Gilly
in that old settle very sharp settle
very very sharp settle that some part
will show it to me that's how sharp it
Um so one line was there an interesting
line. The reb writes in
1987 this is like 37 years from the
rebes
The Reb is just starting to build
in the future.
You guys want to build. So says from
making from taking away someone else's
thing.
You want to do it, do it the right way.
But I took from it is the Reb he's
building just like the Reb said to to to
Prime Minister Netanyahu when he came to
the Reb's
house. When he came to the Reb, the Reb
said to him,
>> he said to the Reb, "Thank you for all
the years that you helped me."
>> Yeah.
>> The Reb said to him,
>> "I'm just now in the beginning." He
thinks the Reb said, "I'm just in the
beginning of my project." And he says to
the Reb, I'm also in the beginning of my
mission. And he said, I'm coming. I'm in
the beginning of mission. I'm caught a
person in the beginning of his mission.
And the Reb kept saying, I'm just
beginning now.
>> Right.
>> So
the is just building this. I'm saying
it's related to what's you know where we
are now.
>> So you're saying he's saying this is the
this is the plan the whole time.
>> That was the Reb's plan. It's to him
he's starting. And the truth is anybody
who had a to be by the reb I mean I had
a to be with the reb like almost 10
years from when it was when I was a 17y
old ber till I went to I was 26 I was
like 10 years by the rebangans the reb
everyan
would come down with such a fire and
would speak about a such a fire as if
it's the first time he said it ever.
I mean a a a person who was not involved
in a fat like a a like a person from
Khan Heights who just came from his job
and came to probably his will turn
because the Reb is speaking like it's
the first time he's going to conquer the
world
wasn't like oh we worked already for 35
years now we could enjoy a little bit.
One second. But I have I don't I don't I
have a question this is cook
now. Now now it's happening right now.
How does that fit with the whole
that
I mean the way most people I mean I was
alive but I was not with all my
faculties but
and my own family and many others. What
do you mean nift whatever
it was it was the end it was the height
that that that's
coming so there's no there's no no plan
for 30 years
>> you're saying it now
>> well how does this fit
>> I I'll tell you it's true it's true to a
certain degree but it's not true meaning
for example when I when I passed the
rebba dollars and the rebb told me
>> he didn't tell
close the kabad house because mashia is
coming in a second and you're left to
sell the kabad house.
>> He gave you a mission for a long time.
>> He gave me a mission. So what does that
mean?
And not only to me like like for example
when David came by to the dollars and he
gave the after
and he gave the an idea what was the
idea the rebb should go to the d with
all the from and the rebb reacted very
strongly. Reb said, "I said that now
it's I'm asking you for ideas. Don't
give me ideas. You should find ideas
what to do." And he was got scared and
he said, "No, no, no. I didn't mean it.
I didn't mean it." And the Reb said, "I
>> I met him once, by the way, and I spoke
to him about this, but yeah, whatever.
Keep it off record." Yeah. So the Reb
said I don't mind people giving me ideas
but says
people are using the all those ideas to
go to the way wanted to make a fast and
have sist
what do you mean epist
to do is the reb's work that will bring
mashia only that there's no other
gimmicks but the the old
and the old from what the meaning of the
is really that means the saying 35 years
I'm begging you to participate in my
work of
and to understand that each person must
take upon himself the responsibility the
to turn the the world upside down and
bring Mashiach and that's the only way
there's no shortcuts and the Reb said
inshin that he wants to have everywhere
in the world.
There is no shortcuts here.
>> One second. But one second. But the
rabbit did say
>> right
from the said they didn't say before.
Was that
>> 100%. What what it means is just like
you know the famous the famous line that
that goes around that said that uh that
um he said that he was there to see but
he was not
>> what does that mean when the when the
reb started the day that was the new the
said the said about that
that means the started
For example,
the rebates
of Mashiah open if all the
go
would come already. What does that mean?
That means like this that there is the
there is
there is the potential of Msiah coming
every day from the start
and every year became more and more and
not only that the process the
process of BS has begun and the Reb
spoke in Toshi noon about the connect
the dots. You remember that ad in the
New York Times with connecting the debts
the simony. What does that mean?
>> It was a mashiach,
>> right?
>> And like a tracing
>> with connecting all the all the all the
sea the fall of the
behind that.
>> So what's called the Kai foundation
>> Kai foundation right and Rabnik
sponsored that. Yeah.
>> So, so this this whole idea meant that
Mashiach is already we we already see
the pulas of Mashiach in the world. The
world is changing. So not when when we
say Mashiach is coming it's not
something that happens overnight. It's a
process that's happening. Of course
there will be the B of Mashia that will
be the Gus but this generation and
especially from the Reb started in such
a strong way to speak about it and meant
that that Mashiach the world is starting
to change towards Mashiach like we see
the last 30 years things that we never
saw before in in in any level if it's
I mean things today that happened happen
in in our in our days that didn't happen
before could not have happened Rabbi
spoke also about worldly things, right?
The fall of communism. Is is the world
still progressing positively that way or
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. You could see
for example, let's talk about about
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. When the Reb said 50 years ago, I
was a childh
was when when Sadat came to Israel from
the president of of and president of
Egypt came to Israel the first time I
was a kid in the Lud Shir. I was 13
years old. You have to understand that
from the airport in Lud until
the Israelis Jewish the Jewish people
were standing in line to welcome him.
There was a line of human from lud to
line and our yeshiva came also out
>> the yeshiva came.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> They didn't know that doesn't like this.
>> Everyone knew
>> the came.
>> Yeah. Everyone we we we stood right
outside the yeshiva. We didn't have to
go anywhere. We won the main on the main
road.
>> It was like a human chain. A human
chain.
>> It was a human chain. It was such an
excitement as as if Mashiah is coming.
Why Jesus came to the world? I remember
as a kid was in the in the synagogue and
he was singing from the from the radio
everyone and you were embarrassed to say
that the reb is against the peace. You
were embarrassed to say that because
what do you mean? Mubarak wants to make
peace with us. Why not? What's wrong?
How can you how can you speak against
that?
And now fast forward 50 years. October
7.
Now the whole world admits where do you
think the weapon came in? From Egypt.
>> From Egypt. Not only that, the the son
of the president of Egypt, Aisi son. He
is the one who made who made a certain
tax certain amount of money on every
shipment that came in the tunnels to
Gaza.
So Kilo the people who made peace with
us are the people who brought all the
weapon for us to kill us until today
they are considered now there are many
people who say that they are planning a
war against Israel now cuz they broke
every rule of the peace process and and
it's all over the newspapers but it took
50 years but the reb saw 50 years ago it
took 50 years for the whole world to
admit it today from the turart to to
shear
from reform to the most orthodox
everyone admits that the Reb's truth is
the only truth. So this this is a part
this a process of the of Giles to see
the truth of that when people can see.
So you're saying that if
the says and everyone's feeling that is
coming today
should have come today because that's
what the Reb says that every day doesn't
come there's no beer at the same time
Reb had a plan for the next 30 years I
would call it like a back plan
that the Reb had two plans and how what
do I base it on there's a famous letter
from the rebinud
19 in in 1952 the Reb writes a letter to
Israel to Kabad everyone understands
what Israel was in Tin B a little
country just started off and the Reb is
writing to Kabad the Reb said I have a
plan I have a plan to conquer Israel to
conquer Israel with
>> that's the
however I need to know if Anash and
Israel are willing to join me or Not.
And the Reb says, "If they're willing to
join me, I could do my plan. If not,
that means we are not yet and we'll have
to wait for later."
And then the Reb writes, then the Reb
writes, I want to have an answer from
every one of Anash to write in a closed
envelope, in a closed letter that nobody
else should see it and they shouldn't
come complaining like the way they did
before
when they said there was a peer
pressure. So when the rebanded from
somebody why didn't you do what? So he
said oh I'm not I'm not a real I signed
it was still pressure
>> from others
>> you know everyone is signing should he
say not sign is good. So the said this
time I want a personal letter from each
person are you willing to participate in
my work or not and whoever is not going
to answer the says you I I will count
him as he doesn't want to. So you can't
say I'm not answering. Either you answer
say if it's a yes or it's a no. If you
don't answer it's a no.
And mamesh we could only imagine I mean
when I was a bak when the kesh came to
Israel. So the biggest the biggest
accomplishment was
>> all the from the you know Rabbi Galitzki
Rabbi and their groups they came to
Israel. The biggest everyone talked
about there's a famous letter from the
rabbi rabbi said the first priority is
to be raonim can be raon there should be
other and mosski was involved with with
the chief rabbi to get them out of there
you have to understand
if if the anash would do whatever wants
you could have made him all over Israel
nobody wanted to be anywhere
>> who wanted to be you could have alash in
every city in Israelim you didn't have
to beg in in the mems from chief rabbi
to give you a position of
could have conquered Israel could have
every city in Israel every issue
>> he's saying
the rabbi says we're ready to bring mash
now
>> right
still waiting is still waiting for us
>> it's like the letter you know the letter
that came out the letter that came out
from the rebates I don't want to say the
name doesn't matter the name the reb in
in California
and the Reb writes a whole letter to him
and to Raishik two letters that came
out. So one letter the Reb writes to him
said I I heard a person came from from
California saying that you and your wife
are complaining there's no Jews which
say there's no Jews in California
Jews there's no Jews there's no money
there's nothing to do you can't do
anything and the only thing that you
could do is you have a plan to buy a
synagogue for $40,000 you have to
understand Lavich
passed away in tiny so there was a gir
in Chicago who gave the $10,000 of the
mortgage of 770
>> Robin Robinson
>> Robinson here that little wants to wants
the reb should give him $40,000 to build
that to buy a shul in in in Los Angeles
770 doesn't have money for $10,000 for
770 after 10 years of 770 to buy a and
so the reb gives him a old letter the
reb gives him ideas this letter if we
were hiding this letter because it's
it's personal
>> right
>> but if we would see this letter 30 years
ago the Reb gives ideas said to him you
you are in Los Angeles it's now summer,
make a day camp. The Balabat team will
love to give you the kids. They have
nothing to do with them after after the
summer. Make a day camp. You could make
money from it. You could become a
leader. Then the Reb says to them,
"There's a university. Go and offer
yourself to be a lecturer onism. You
speak English." Well, speak about
rabbis who don't have they would love to
use. Then the Reb says make make
services forasher announce take our
hotel room announce that you'll do with
speeches in English and you'll have
you'll sell seats you'll make money the
Reb gives them ideas how and the end the
Reb says but if you are not going to be
happy to be in there's no point in you
being a you know suffer and and bicker
about it just come home so either you
are taking it and you are happy with it
if you're complaining
We don't need it. The po came back.
>> It took another another 20 years for the
Rebunion
27 year.
>> So the Reb So the Reb has a plan and the
Reb's P need the Reb wants buyin from
from
>> Exactly.
>> So I was discussing on a different
conversation we had over here. I think
that's what the Reb is saying
that
I'm I'm serious about this. This is
literal.
So do something do it
that the means business and and
therefore all the famous that the Reb
said about the fourth level of where the
is a responsible person on his own and
he makes decisions on his own. It meant
that you take it. Remember the Reb said
and the Reb smiled. Reb said that uh
about started a project said he doesn't
want people to start writing him letters
what to do and then said he's like that
said I'm willing to go but
even to jump into the water he didn't
want he wanted them they should pick him
up but they should throw him into the
water the say come guy comes say I'm
running to come but the reb should do
everything for me the should pick me up
the reb should tell me to do right or to
the left says you take responsibility
you figure out yourself and be happy
with your work.
>> At at a certain point in the first first
few years, the Reb told people to go on.
After a certain point, the never told
anyone to go. You had to ask.
>> Right. Right. And the and the Reb said
clearly in the Reb said he's not going
to say anymore what who to go and people
will have to ask themselves and and they
should want to go because the Reb wanted
that people should feel partners in that
that they that they that they feel the
to go not that the Reb tells them to go
and not that he goes only because he's
going to get a compliment from the Reb
that he the Reb wanted the people should
buy into the idea what says what is the
Reb's work in the world that you are
that's that goes all all the way back to
the famous
when the Reb finally accepted
>> the Reb accepted
>> when saying when the Reb accepted it as
a date
>> as a as an official because the Reb you
know the first three years
>> you know no one knew that the Reb came
to America
came out and all of a sudden we we saw
there is a letter from the Reb from the
Fikb telling uh one of the lawyers who
helped bring the Reb to America that
today the Reb came to America that my my
son-in-law came my daughter came to
America and nobody knew about this
nobody made a big deal even the was
hiding it the right of
>> didn't say a date of and nobody ever
told him make a big date even though the
Reb never made an official for on Tess
but every time there was Shabas around
Tess or Shabas he spoke about every
time, but he never made a special date.
Whatever the reason is, we don't know
yet. But the Reb didn't
>> never made a date of
>> right. There wasn't like an official fab
just uh we just we just published now a
safer that it's come it's on the way now
from from China a safer of all the goes
through all of the dates the history
what happened what happened on the date
and also there's like um
what the said about the date so there's
how do you know what a date is how do we
know how when we're compiling it
whatever the spoke
the spoke about We know it's a date of
course the rabbis's brother we know it's
a date because the spoke about it
also
>> right so
the rebb didn't speak about in the early
years and then
came out and there was a young man from
Israel his name was Rabbi Solomon and he
went around 770 showing everyone the
kesh and saying why we don't make a big
deal about it but we still didn't do
anything about it then the next year
And if you think about it, it was like
was like two days before the famous
of the of the
>> about the man.
>> Yeah. But this was two days before. We
we didn't even know about the meeting
then.
>> You had no idea that the whole was
happening there.
>> We knew there was a we knew ones that
there was a meeting with Kabad. Nobody
is allowed to know what it's about, but
the Reb will speak about it in bas.
That's all we know.
>> Everyone knew that. Okay,
>> that came out somehow because you know
when seven people go into the Reb's room
in Toshim hey for a meeting that didn't
happen in many many years and a never
was an active organization in that way
>> having meetings with the Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, so, so it was it it had to
make waves. So, it became known but
nobody knew what it is. But two days
before with the Bim 770 was my first
year as the Baham 770 we decided myself
liberov and a few other we decided
together that we are going to make a
foren and when the reb came in uh to to
my we decided we are going to sing a
song at those days the reb used to come
in upstairs
there was no singing nothing
>> there was it was still the waste of
>> even when even when Zafi was there there
was no singing only when he was Salman
Jaffy even in the middle of the week he
wouldn't sing. Only if there was a pag
or something downstairs if there was a
pag. Yeah. But
>> singing for downstairs upstairs as
>> Yeah. It was like the Reb comes in comes
out. There was a very um
I mean we'll later describe Min upstairs
was very upstairs very very special. The
Reb was sitting at that table. It's very
unique. It's very special. But anyway,
so so there so we decided what what what
niggan do to we sing? Which
should we sing for? We decid the same of
because that became the became healthy.
So this is the was redeemed from from
the holocaust and was saved from
that's I thought about anyway the Reb
comes in and he started singing and you
know it's it's seconds. The Reb comes
out of his room and he gives duck to the
keys. seconds. The Reb heard the
singing. He came in, he made his hand.
The Reb could have ignored us right
away. I mean, it's like the Reb out of
the ordinary.
>> Yeah. It's middle out of nowhere and
made it the hand very strongly. And uh
that was enough for us. And that night
was a fab. And you know how big the fora
was sheni in upstairs. That's how big
the fora was. And we fab all night. And
the next day by M we sang and again
maybe the hand and that was the
beginning. And then
>> the bakim or there was a big
>> just the bakim
>> and then tim
um that this is the first year we
decided to make a really big deal. We
got together we are going to make a big
fabangan a real big you know a huge
event just like
and it happened to be that that was
shabas of shabas and it was also a yl it
was 45 years from when the from theson
came to America from
a mish Friday afternoon I decided to
make a chur
and uh what was it chur was just a few
letters for the FIB
about the and also the Reb spoke to test
order the year before a about the F
coming to America but he connected it to
the new
that started in America not just about
about the saving him you know about this
so I took that I put it in and uh and
the was a very special for the Reb and
the Rebbitson for coming to America and
we gave it into the Reb I ran upstairs
to it was he had a print shop there from
and he immediately immediately agreed
and um and we worked together. We put
those in. You had to put the letters,
you know, it was not the computer.
Everything was and we put the the and we
printed. I came I gave it I gave it to
to Mosquito. I gave it to give it to the
Reb's room and I put it in the tables.
So the old shabas was already you know
beginning of a and then but if I bring
it so we we gave in a bottle of mashk to
label and we told label the miralik will
come up for us the we're not going to go
to the for this. So we asked miralik. So
he said yeah no yeah yeah no he couldn't
make up his mind then shabas by day he
start to get cold feet he's not sure
he's not sure maybe the reb will not be
happy with that he's not sure
>> the first the first the started all
about
>> because
so always spoke about going out of of
jail you know
but here the reb took a turn
because of the came out of Russia
because he came out of Russia he came to
America and then he started all sing
about the coming to America it was very
clear there was about this so Mak turn
around us he said I'm going to go up no
worries and then when he went up the
famous story that he went up and he gave
the battle and the reb to him to
announce it so he had to announce what
it is so he said that so we we invite
all the mim to come toen in honor of the
rebre come to America so the reb raised
his and with a smile and he said is bas
so he thought he thought meant that he
should invite men and women to come. So
he said again all invited. So they were
very laughing and finally Yale told him
that I meant so he stood up again and he
said that the island invited the Reb and
the Rebbits insh came to America was a
big so we right away saw there's a huge
Kov and then the Reb gave an answer
every year but the Reb to speak
officially about that he didn't speak
about
it was again Shabas
and then the Reb spoke about it and the
Reb started from with the Reb said that
uh since it's already three years and uh
it was already many many many have done
this celebrated this day of even and we
saw good and said it'll be it'll be a
ham a big ham
so so therefore the reb
was accepted and it was done and it was
good so the reb is going to speak about
it started also bringing on this and one
of The spoke about is that we spoke
about just now about this whole idea
what the Reb wanted from what the Reb
meant in the meant
spoke about what is
the word is what is the what is the
strength of what is
gives and what is
and they start to work with the
is the day that ends of the end the
gives you to start your work. So is
gave you the and you start working
you start to do something with and the
said but everything is so
is the day when the
were sent to to check out Israel. So the
reb all about this part said the famous
question
says
if you want send if you don't want the
as the question
was used
everything was commanded
said if you want s if you don't like oh
my god says something is not right here
things didn't go right so why did he do
it and then the said by Yeshua sent the
again if failed what is he doing it
again and the reb gave the answer which
is a very very powerful answer but the
old kind of
said that was very very happy when the
told him
because it was a new till now it was
commandment the first time says I want
you to choose it
and the reb
there's two there's battle commandment
you have to follow listen what me tell
you and the
but the most the very dear is
that you choose it
in theb said a similar thing that we
should want and ask for
not not because I said right so it's a
>> the same
>> so you're you're saying basically that
said things that he already said
just chose to say it clear
it was shocking no there was a line that
the reb never said
>> that line is I know the line that I I
did everything I can.
>> Yeah. that
>> that that line he never said and that I
and I that I completed my work
like
I'm done
that everything my mission is complete
and now I need I need you as what's left
is you have to jump in what you didn't
do for 40 years you have to do now
because you what you have to do. I can
do for you. You have to do it.
>> So you're saying in in in the lane
is already the is already there in that.
>> I mean to a certain degree of course I
mean you didn't think that then.
>> No nobody thought about it. Of course
not. To us it was 100% sure 100% sure
that gimmel towns will never happen.
100%.
Never but because and and it's and it's
an attack didn't happen
because what whatever as the Reb
explains in the famous the famous
that you know the famous story brings
from from the from the famous story the
rebin about that that when all the Eden
went to for for keeper only only a few
Eden were left and they didn't have a
tend to the minion
and uh and then he then disappeared and
then and then eventually he came by on
his dream to the ro in the town and he
said I was au I just couldn't handle to
see the pain that you have no minion so
I came the asked the question how could
you minion all the it's very nice came
but it's not there is you know like the
way the rebin the rebb was doing a
pin
the rebb
before these talks he didn't do a people
asked him so you say the is here and
there is a place for the and there is a
sobb
>> yeah so it's like there is
I don't know
so we have to do it so so the question
is said
and the same thing asked about they used
to come every Friday night to to make
kesh to his family. How could you be?
It's all good and nice, but it's not an
how could you?
>> So the rabbi answer that question that
when it comes to the nim they came to
the world only for their generation only
for their people. They didn't come for
their mission is not for themselves and
therefore when when they have mal
they continue their mission there is a
there is a separate reason why they
needed to why their goof need to get
to get another so but they are still
continuing. So when they come in a goof
they are part of the minions they are
considered as if
>> you you knew this giml
>> what do you mean if I knew this?
>> What are you telling me now? I'm saying
this is you knew this right away or giml
we were broken to pieces. We were in
total shock
and uh when we when I was in Alaska and
I heard of gimlamos I took my own
family. We were supposed to have a a day
camp that that next Monday. We were
supposed to have a day camp. It was our
first day camp for our preschool. We
left a a note on the door that we left
to New York.
Sorry. And we took the whole family went
to the airport mat shabas. We bought
tickets on the spot and we went the
whole family to New York and we did not
know if we will ever come back. We went
to the airport.
We were in total shock, total broken. We
we had no we couldn't think the whole
the whole flight to New York. I didn't
eat anything. I didn't din I didn't do
anything. I was like I was in total
shock. And every airport we stopped in
two airports. Every airport the all the
screens all the television screens CNN
were all about the Reb non-stop.
Non-stop. There was no WhatsApp in those
days. No cell phones. The the all the
screens were the Reb. And I couldn't
believe that the that the sun is shining
and that people are eating in the plane.
I just couldn't believe that that the
world is still going on to us. The world
stopped. And I came to New York. They
told me, "Don't go to 770. The the Levi
is already going to the oil." I came I
went I the airport in a taxi. The entire
the entire highway from Kennedy to to
the oil was was blocked. You couldn't
move. We were standing like an hour and
a half. Couldn't move anywhere. It was
packed with cars for all and Jews and
from Jews and finally we made it. They
they we couldn't go to with the cars.
They wouldn't let any car in the all the
exit to the we had to stop by the main
by the main road. We had to walk all the
way and I had a suitcase with me. There
were two mut
who who came to the funeral and they
come over to me. They said to me, "I'll
slap the suitcase for you." Cuz they saw
I was like schleing. I had two children.
My wife was we were like we were like
mentioned. We didn't sleep the whole
night cuz we were we were up already
from the night before. We didn't know
what's we heard the smoo already. The
rumors were coming and uh we were just
walking all the way up. I came there. We
everything was locked up. You couldn't
even go in. We were standing outside and
u we were standing there and I must tell
you there was a very um when I came
finally to the oil when I was standing
there I remember
standing next to me we've all we all
made ka and somehow
there was like a little bit of a a
feeling of the reb's presence that that
gave us the to to all done I I don't
know what it is and um I mean later that
the moment when these talos there is the
and the Reb's name was all over the
world that day all over the news we
spoke about the Reb's work about the
and uh and then we I came in there was a
line to go in everyone passed by the oil
and then there are two options you could
had one option to go behind the oil and
sit there or go outside. So I went
behind the oil and I sat there and then
and then I stayed there for seven days.
I stayed I stayed on there was no there
was no there was no house. There was no
tent. There was nothing. We were
standing there under the trees.
>> There was other bakim and there's other
people there also.
>> Yeah, there was a bunch of bim and
people and no in the night there was a
whole the whole night people came. First
I was I was I was uh I was I was sitting
somewhere next to the next next to the
oil but then I was already three in the
morning and people came out people and
five people and it didn't look good. So
I I moved backwards. Nobody should see
us. People don't understand what what
are you laying here anyway? So, so we
were we were going back we went to back
and we were staying there and I remember
the next morning after after the
stalkers someone came with a with a copy
of the Reb's letter from that uh it's
only
and that's only so and the is really
with us and not to be spo and I remember
this was gave us a lot of and the
>> you guys were talking to each other
>> the next day we started talking to each
other yeah And uh we were sitting there
in groups, you know, and uh and we was
there the the whole week uh sitting
there
and so we didn't know what um
but uh but you know as uh as we sat
there next to the we got the strength
back and Shabas I went back to New York
to Kits and there was a forbidden of all
the on Shabas and
>> some people some people stayed by the
shabas. So yeah, I was supposed to stay
with the shower there, but I was
pressure on me that I should go back
after seven days being there. And um so
I went back and um and I was there and
uh and were talking and uh and I
remember my saying he said that u he
saidim
that the elidim had a hard time after
his talas to move on to the next.
So he said you know we theim we went to
to to to mas to see Shiva theim the
young was staying at the oil said so we
made a mistake we have to go to the oil
and that's when he understood he
switched that it took him a week to
understand that he has to he has to go
to the you know that that's the place to
go that's where the reb is and uh and
then we went back and we had a big event
for for a tribute for the Reb and so on
and that gave us the to continue but
this was
you know we were sure that will never
happen. You have to understand when you
anybody who saw the Reb
anybody who had to see the Reb and I saw
the Reb the first time and I was 11
years old. Anybody who saw the Reb, you
saw
a presence
that you knew that this is not human.
You knew that what you're seeing is
nonhuman and and everybody like when I
was a little kid and I came the first
time to the Reb and I was my my father
used to go every year to the Reb and we
had the Reb's pictures and everything.
But when I saw Reb the first time was
t-shirt of V. The first time I saw the
Reb was like
it's like I was in shock. In shock.
>> How old are you? You
>> I was 11 years old but I wasn't I wasn't
probably a typical 11 but I was 11 years
old.
>> And I mean and I come from a you know
from
I saw the Reb. I was in shock. I
couldn't believe it. And the whole month
of Tish the Rebel like you know the the
expression we go for the market the
Rebel like like a like a vacuum. I was I
was I was I was hypnotized to the Reb
glue to the Reb. I you have no idea. I
mean I was I couldn't and I was standing
right behind the Reb. My father had a
place in the first line behind the reb.
father came every year
>> most I mean some I mean in the early
years he started then he started lamemed
he didn't come in the beginning of year
can I interrupt you for a second hold
your thoughts I just I'm very curious
your father
didn't wasn't born
right
>> but he he seemed to have this like
but he never even grew up with he came
from Russia
How that?
>> Well, in two in in two words to say my
father became aassid as a very young age
at 13 years old. And and the reason why
he became aid because when he ran away
from the Holocaust with his family,
the only place they were able to run
away to be safe from the Nazis was to
Tashkanta Samakand. And in those cities
in in in
those cities in Bebakistan in those
cities the only organized Yiddish
underground was so any Jew like my grand
my grandfather was a fu he wasn't but he
was a very dedicated Jew like he was a
he was aid like a general
he was a my question my question is how
he became labavich there's the is more
there's many stories like that there's
more like that than Then then whatever.
That's not my point. Not my question. My
question is
this uh this like deep cababal this is
this
>> because because he was a snashid my
father. So when he was when he was in
jail he was from the very few people who
did not eat and he did not book on
shabas. Most people couldn't stand the
pressure. And my father was on. So when
he went to the Reb the first time to for
that tish the rebb said that all the
Russian Jews should stand around him. So
my father you could see the famous
pictureki
bringing a balabos to the reb this
picture
like a New York Times picture. There are
three pictures there and each one of
those pictures is like a painting. It's
such an unusual picture and you see my
father is standing between Bento and
middle foot of us and he's standing
literally one one foot away from the Reb
like literally one person away from the
Reb and you could see how he's watching
the Reb that he became glued to the Reb.
So you could see that he's and the first
time he saw the Reb, he became a like
fire but he was of the also in Russia
without seeing the Reb just by learning
from
of the he had was Mashia and other
people right right all the way there in
in Tashk in
all those were he was a kid who grew up
on there and there he was but when the
rabbis are saying that the
at Paris. My father is one of those
parents because he was at the lab in the
Phil was already in America for was
already in America and he grew up he
grew up raised by
and he became and he be and he had it
was
I always say about him aid that the was
by him. Mhm.
>> So because when you go through 8 years
in jail and you go through my father
went through you. So
didn't speak to him at all. I didn't
mean anything to him. So he wasn't
exposed from anything anymore.
>> Okay.
>> The reboot.
>> So let's go back to tough.
>> Yeah. Literally I was um
I was literally taken by the Reb's
presence. Like I became aid. The Reb
made me aid that second when I saw him
the first time. I remember we came to
New York was for and I was lucky that my
uncle Hazan was a baka in 770 the in
Rome Italy now lost his son um and um he
he started all he created the whole
empire of
in Rome and he had made a kba. So
anyway, so um when I came to New York, I
was 11-year-old kid and he was my uncle
Ber 770 and he came to the airport to
pick us up and he brought us a 770 and
first memory for 770 was all the bam
standing outside green the grass
beautiful grass outside and I asked
where's the reb went home? was so
disappointed the reb used to go home
after m for for lunch with
and they said don't worry the reb is
coming back
>> the reb went twice by lunch and by
supper
>> no used to go only by lunch and then at
night is to go very late at night like
uh you know go home didn't go home like
supper
>> no no such a thing only the used to come
so in the summer is to go home at 12:00
at night in the in the winter used to go
home after after like after after my
about like 10:00 or something like that.
But the Reb is to go in middle of the
day in the summer to for for lunch after
Mah a little bit after Mik sometimes
5:00 depends on the times but the Reb is
to go once once one third day will go
back home and come back to 7:70. So
thatish went home after after Mina and
we came and the Reb came back like an
hour later and uh at those days the Reb
used to come from 7 to 770 if it was
middle of the Seder nobody was outside
and even not the middle of Sedar the Reb
used to come in and come out nobody was
allowed to be in the old park so people
used to hide by the behind the trees but
nobody was allowed to be like in in
front of the Reb. So the reb came, the
reb's car came. We he was standing
inside the door was open and came with
the rebu
came out. I went up the steps was only
me and my father. There was nobody
there. And as the reb came in, the reb
took out money from his pocket like the
reb stood so strong
before the before the heart attack. The
reb looked like mish like a king. The
way he walked it was unbelievable. And
he like reb has strong movements. He
took out he like moved this little tok
took out money from his pocket and he
gave it to me in my hand and I felt the
reb's finger you know get me like strong
and he waited for me to give it to his
doctor and then he started dying thank
you and every day the Reb would give me
da and say to me thank you.
>> The Reb would say to you thank you.
>> Yeah. Every day as if as if the Rebi
would say thank you to every kid that he
told him to give money to Zak. Because
>> that was that was a seda then. They
would say that the rebel thanked you for
giving him for doing for him the of the
mitzvah to give.
>> So he would say
>> by dollars by dollars you see the kids
telling the dank.
>> Yeah. No no no no. This was before
I mean when I was a bo already you're
right. When I was a ber when I came to
seni gave his dera to everyone never
said anything but when I was a kid said
a dunk every time he gave us his da and
and that t
that t I became like I became the the
brothers and of course the the highlight
was the of course the was the highlight
because because no typically the when
you most times when a when a father came
with a son they first speak to the
parent and then speak to the children.
It was the typical but there were
exceptions, several exceptions and I was
one of the exceptions when we went into
so first we were in the beginning of the
but to be starting from 8:00 p.m. and go
all the way till 5 in the morning would
have
>> when you hear when you hear that would
have 5 a.m. I think it was usually like
time when there's so many people right
that was
>> even well even every
5 a.m. Yeah. Okay.
>> 4 a.m. 5 a.m. Because we talk about in
the laments already there was so many
people wanted to go in. So no matter
when it was it was packed. No matter
when it was maybe in the youth there was
short night but in the l there was no
such a thing. And that when I was there
was night after night after night all
week
all week if you wanted you had to stay
until your appointment.
>> Right. We we stay we stay but not
because of that. My was tish but my
father made the ticket longer. So so the
was the of course the highlights but the
entire tish I mean I could sit here all
night to describe that t what
I went to. So we went in. So first we
were in the beginning because I was a
little child. So they gave me the to be
in the beginning when we standing in
that line and all of a sudden
says this that the person who was
supposed to be and not didn't make it
yet and if we have if it's okay with us
to go in early so my father said sure my
father was jumping always. So so some
people were not I'm not ready yet. I'm
not I didn't say because day you would
go to the mikvah. You would fast all
day. Even as a child I fasted and I put
new clothes and everything is was like a
you you prepared like the way prepares
to day that's how we prepared for all
day fasting and saying and dvening and
going to the mikvah again before the by
night the mik is used to be open
everyone should be able to go to the
mikvah before and and I could tell you
when we went in
I was so afraid there was such a reb The
Reb's uh demeanor, the Reb's face, the
Reb's eyes was such mal there was such a
I was shaking till the Reb didn't start
talking to me and I calm down. I was
like and also
>> that was when you looked at the that was
like a feeling
>> always
>> whenever the reb was in in public
if it's bringing or it was fis when when
they used to say the reb gate
>> there was announcement the reb gate it
was a room
>> there was like can you describe this a
little bit what um
>> but the reb's presence it's like it was
like Uh, like I said, it's not when when
you saw the Reb, you didn't see a a
physical person. There was a like a
shine, like a light that came with him,
like a like a O that came with him, like
a real pad was a real feeling of a loose
that wasn't st it was like therefore no
picture and no video could do justice to
it because that's the real thing. When
you saw the real thing, it's like
standing by by here as the real thing.
It's you can't it's not a video is is
there are some good videos that really
give over a little bit of that shine but
the real thing it's it's beyond beyond
words
>> but it's a like
means like afraid
>> means physical afraid and spiritual
afraid are and all together
>> so it's not it's not like a like a y
that's explained like that's like a
covet it's like it's like a different
feeling
>> it's not
are covered. It's more than that. It's
er it's a real era. It was a real I
remember. So that that's why Bakim at
least maybe changed later but Bakim
always was hiding from the
>> Of course because when the Reb looked on
you you
>> why why did later some Bakim start
sticking their face around the
>> Because people wanted to see the Reb and
there was no anymore and people want to
have that closeness to the Reb. feeling
of closeness. So when you when you stood
close, you felt the looking at you. So
you felt that that
you know what I mean? So people,
everybody, everyone in Lavage and
everyone in the Jewish world wanted to
have a piece of the Reb.
The entire competition was give me a
moment of the Reb,
give me a a ko from the Reb, give me a a
give me a non to the Reb. That was the
whole competition.
People went to end the world just for
that one moment for the Reb cuz that one
moment is is is
there's nothing in the world like that.
There's nothing there's nothing that m
there's nothing like that. So people
would do all life just for the get one
smile from the because that one smile is
more than anything. There's nothing in
the universe that could compare to that.
There's nothing no gold and no silver
and nothing. So, so people, so we went
into
So, anyways, I was very afraid and as we
walk in the Reb, the Reb buzzed, Reb had
a buzz around his table. We hear the
buzz and label run in and the Reb shows
label the list and Reb says why there's
a change in the list like and label
explain that can make it and he left and
then we gave the
father gave the settle then I gave the
settle then the start to me
says
can you say that you learn the day or
yesterday or the or or the day before or
or or before that and I closed my eyes.
I was so scared because the bim prepared
me because my uncle because he was a ber
he brought me into among the bim. So I
was I became within two days I became
like a benb among among the bong. So I
felt at home in 770 and the baham kept
telling me the reb is going to test you
and then they also there was a one
question the reb ask all the children
about how many cities there are and they
told me what to answer
they prepared me the question but they
told me the is going to test you where
to prepare and I was so scared you can't
imagine I was scared from the I was
scared was going to test me and after
all I was just 11 years old anyway I
went into the I went in and so The reba
said it. I closed my eyes and I just
thought what I'm going to say to the
rebba and I was just came to my mind in
the time in we learned two gears and one
unit. So we learned the
>> youab
we had a very small weas. So I said the
rebish mak was about about
the about if someone if someone if
someone if someone kills somebody what
is his and uh and if he if he kiss goes
to go if he gives me does miss whatever
book the mission we learn
and the reb start ask questions and one
of the questions I remember the rebin
in New York how do New book if someone
will kill somebody what was it but
there's no there's no bas and there's no
golus and there's no
there's no mikl and then the asked me
one other question I didn't understand
what I was asking
the repeated again I didn't understand
and the reb moved on and uh then the
rebba said to me um
reb said the first thing the said vers
is th
even though it said in the talle I think
the so I was so nervous. So I said then
the Reb said
and I didn't understand what the Reb
asked because what does that mean?
>> Like how old you are?
>> Yeah. But I didn't understand that. So
my father explained so I said I'm 11 and
the said is the name. So I said to the
rebish this was three weeks after the
rebu
and you gave his docker and I didn't
remember so I was silent in a second p
says don't revenge shabas
so you couldn't give us der like you
couldn't give us d even if you wanted it
>> and I was I was I was like oh my god
thank god I didn't say anything so so
the said shabas I
Arab I didn't remember. So my father
said to the
my father meant to say that I used to
get in the everyday. So probably I got
that day also. So the Reb laughed like
not didn't smile he laughed and he said
>> only
laughed
like he was like laughing you know and
then and then the Reb said um the Reb
moved on and then the Reba asked the
question how many cities do you have and
I said let me basically saw that I had
already answer And um but for some
reason the rebba asked every child that
question
and then and then
>> I heard that I heard that the
I think it was I don't know if
this might be wrong but I think um I
think zev cat gave the citus the kiss.
Yeah
I don't maybe it's connect
>> there could be a connector. There is
also there is also something in that
famous where the rabbi spoke about the
cities. There is something about cities
>> from the from the when the when the when
the when the told the
label. Yeah. So there is
>> there is there is a line there about the
cities. Whatever the interesting there
is something about cities. Mhm.
>> The cities helps you protects you from
all kinds from not all kinds of sen.
>> Mhm.
>> So anyway, so there is something about
the cities. Anyway, so then the reb then
the Reb um Reb told me um
the Reb said to me, the Reb gave me a
dollar one to give here. No, the Reb
asked me another question. Rabbi said to
me, "Do you say tim do you say till I
said to him?" So I was like, I was the
head of the inabas in our father was
running but I was running on my father.
So to me it was like a question is
asking me if I say kill him. So I said
sure. So the rebba said he hadn't tug
like me means the she tell him every day
>> it's a whole different story I even say
till him like shabas the ste you know
shabas but the said
so I I was I already said sure so I
didn't know what to say so the said they
are fine
>> so you started
>> yeah of course so I was they are fine so
then so then the reb gave me a
to give him and a dollar to give him and
then the gave a long gave me and the
rest I didn't remember was a long the
questions I remember but the rest of the
and then the not speaking to my father
for a very long time we were a long time
inside there was some there was one
question that my the one thing my reb
my father didn't understand I explained
to my father what I said was like a I
had a relative who didn't my father
asked for him. So the Reb said
he writes to me that means he was a
teacher and my father didn't understand
the said again and again. So I said to
my father the Reb said that he was a
teacher like a few little things there.
The Reb looked at you when you said,
>> "Yeah." And I when the Reb finished
talking to me, I was trying to look the
Reb's room. You know, I was a kid. There
was curiosity. And as soon as I tried to
move my eyes,
the Rebel like had his eyes on me and he
locked me up. And I was not I didn't
remember nothing from the Reb's room.
Only the Reb's eyes. Nothing. Barely.
Maybe the table. That's it. When I came
in after Gimlam, I didn't recognize the
room. never remember the old room. I
always
>> I heard this from Kama Vakama that's the
same thing that they came in Africa was
the first time they saw the room.
>> I push it and I was there for a very
long time. I push it could even
>> I heard I heard this even from somebody
but he was involved medically
after
>> and he told me the same thing that today
he sees things in he didn't notice and
he spent hours there.
>> Really? Wow.
>> Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's a I mean even
even even a simple thing like like you
know 770 when the reb was in 770 or now
when the reb is not there and I never
understood what is it until I saw the
reb
was there it looked huge.
>> Mhm. I come in after Gimmel Thomas it
looks so small and I couldn't understand
what is this and the Reb writes in when
the Reb comes into apartment the 10
minutes the Reb is in the apartment the
apartment looks so big
the Reb the Reb's presence it was like a
like a
a ghilly air the Reb used to come in
that everything looked like wow
everything the Reb touched was wow
everything much like I'll I'll never
forget The Reb sent the keys to Yank
that moment. That's the Reb sent the
keys. The old 770 was like glued to that
second to the Reb because the Reb did
something which he never did. None of us
ever saw it. And the way he did it, what
we saw from the Reb's face coming that
second was like
anybody was there was a glue. like you
you you you saw something unusual. I I
still remember the Reb's face and how
the Reb does like this and he and he
sends it to him and I still remember the
Reb's hand and the Reb's face and the
Reb's lips when he did it. It was like
because it's it's
not st. So when you see that you're like
you stand like in shock and the reb
smiled the entire like for example when
the reban
>> the old 770 would drop silent how do we
know that the reb usually before a story
starts smiling a little smile on his
face stop
>> it's something you hear about the a lot
that the rebba
>> laughs at the thing or smile before he
says it
>> right and there was There was all of a
sudden there was and the second because
the rabb mostly didn't tell stories. So
when the rabbi told the story they was
like even even people who didn't listen
to a word of the because they didn't
understand they were too tired they
didn't have a brain for this but a story
from the reb they were like and and it
was draft like even though the spoke it
was quiet but there was a whole
different quiet when the start telling
story
>> um back to the the whatever in the early
years you listen to the said something
that there's a certain that whatever
that that that there's a tus you hear
people laughing like if reacting to what
the Reb is saying in the later years you
barely hear it and if you hear it people
are saying sh
but but still when
>> the mood changed
>> right but still when there was something
really really uh unique even in our
years I mean not as much as earlier but
but still the was like there was all of
a sudden there was a chatter and like
was like talking to each other like
people will like would talk about what
happened now like it took a moment till
everything quiet down because it was
like wow especially between the not in
the middle of a it would be totally
silent but in between the sikas if there
was something like that that would say
something loud I mean I remember for
example when Rabbi Glasman's father came
to 770 and he decided
close to the end of the niggan he
decided to sing a to sing a new niggan
his niggan
And the didn't know his and the was
like trying to and the reb said help the
other and then the reb looked down and
it said because he realized that nobody
is singing he quiet down.
So those moments when this happened in
the middle of the sikas between the
sikas people would would chat with each
other like
>> you can you can hear it on the recording
the says um they start singing I think
he was sing
but maybe he didn't sing it with the
right tune or something so then start
singing it says
>> like half
Yeah. But anyways, so going back to this
uh to the um so this was the highlight
but the entire tish entire t the reb was
m of me such an amazing way like for
example uh I was a little kid but for
some reason there was only a you have to
understand there were only six seven
kids from Israel that
seven kids was and the American kids the
kiters didn't come middle of the week to
770 they had so we were sitting in 770
all day long we had nothing else to You
didn't go to
>> No, of course not. I came to I came to
the Reb. So, I was sitting in the in
770. So, I saw the Reb coming and going
nonstop all the time. I remember I'll
give you a few little think things that
Marshall one day I was standing in in I
was standing in in Zal upstairs and my
uncle with the Bim was sitting was not
is not does not. So, they were sitting
and ching on the on the on the Reb's
table. you know the but the table where
the Reb used to sit the B used to sit
there
>> upstairs so they were chatting and I was
standing by the by the edge of the table
near the door and I'm just listening to
their jokes and whatever and all of a
sudden I feel somebody's looking at me
so I turn around I see the Reb is giving
this duck and he's like looking in to
see what the B are doing so I said the
Reb is here and everyone jumped up and
the Reb heard me say like he like like
moved out like as fast as he can and
like he disappeared. You know what I
mean? So it's like such moments when you
have with the reb like you know what I
mean it's like you become like um within
within days you you
>> so when you were back when you back back
at
you're the only one that experienced the
Reb amongst your friends. Mark's my
friend. Yeah. Actually, uh, in my city,
my hometown, there was never a child who
traveled to the Reba before me. I was
the first child my age.
>> Your father didn't bring it. I think
you're the you're not the oldest.
>> The first I'm not the oldest, but before
me, um, he never brought children to the
Reba. I was the first child he brought
to the Reba. And, and the people in my
the elderly people could even understand
that. First, it was very expensive in
those days. And they couldn't figure out
where my father gets the money to take
not only to travel in cell but to take
even a child. But then they would they
would tell me when I came back the older
people told me what did you understand
there? What did you heard there? like
they couldn't understand
>> why did you why did your father took you
your little kid to the reb has to go to
the reb got to the reba and I remember
how my friends I had only a very small
group you know my friend mafa the one
who made me and my friend iso from in
Toronto I would I would like give over
to them and I would even we would even
imitate how it looks the we would make a
table with a with a with a stand with a
with a be we imitate because he never
saw there was not even videos of the Reb
at the time.
The first video that Freigh took from
the Reb and he came to Israel after that
and started to show the videos there was
no there's no movies from the Reb. So we
never saw we only saw pictures that's
all we never saw. So I explain I would I
would tell him what's
I was sitting in you know under the
Reb's table when the Reb came to dance
his aer and how the Reb took the
children so seriously. You see how the
Reb made the children that when the Reb
would reb would hold this they would
make with the head to the all the all
the par the parameters of the
>> all the bleaches and the same with the
same it's not like to the children he
just smiled with the same
you know the way the Reb's face looked
by a coffer by the Reb with the same
atmos with the same gilluim with the
same spirituality that he did to the to
the he did to the to the kids with the
same and I I still remember till today
that is more than all the I saw after
because here I was standing right next
to the Reb because I was a child that
was under the table and made such a big
difference if he stood really close.
>> Mhm.
>> But you stood really close to the Reb.
>> But you didn't go back to the Reba for
years afterwards. Right.
>> Right. until I was a bo and when I came
to stay for for good because I was not
one of those bim who knew how to raise
money I knew how to how to make jobs and
I was a battling so I didn't know how to
do those things so I went and I when I
was when I was
>> your father your father brought other
kids
>> other kids what was when I was 16 16 and
a half that's when I went to to New York
>> but that itself was unusual to go 16 to
to learn in New York no
>> well yes my my older brother my brother
Nafi did and my brother solic did it. So
I followed their footsteps at 16.
>> Yeah.
>> This came from your father. Your father
wanted
>> my my probably my father encouraged that
and uh but we all wanted that and it was
our dream. My my uncle Hazan my father
my father went to Meask who had a and he
told me that he's going to be the
guarantor that he will give back the
money and my father sent them to to the
rebes.
where your father your father raised
Shakazan.
>> He didn't raise him but he was the uncle
in the family.
>> He was the influence and he sent them to
New York. And then when we came we had
reb my father was a big believer on
going to the rabbi and being there the
stay. Yeah. So you went al
>> I went to I was in shima and um I
remember the first
>> what what 16
>> I was 16 and a half I was I was 16 and I
almost miss
>> I was I was in uh in Zal I was in Zal
learning with my my cheer was galitzki
and
>> I understand so so whatever
>> I was I was younger than no I was she g
I was younger than the other kids. Yeah.
>> You you jump
>> because I came from Lud. So in Lud I
already finished the Shikana. So you
know
>> I was already a year in I was already I
was already I was already almost 17. So
I was already a year inad. So you know
so I was a one year inhiv and then I
went then I went to from Giml I went to
to
Seattle
then two years
>> and then and then when you came back you
already
>> yeah I was 20 I was already beginning 20
>> and everything shifted because
I'm saying it's Well, yeah. But before
before this, there was a good portion of
Tshime, which was an amazing an amazing
amazing year. And uh Topshimme was still
the Fabrangians and the Reb, the Mina
and the whole
was still like in the mess in the
laments and it changed with a with a
court case.
>> What do you mean?
>> Many many things have changed later. Um
it was still like um like uh there was a
there was a sense of peace and and joy
you know that we saw from the Reba and
the old 770 was a different 770 like
this the swore took Loabage with a storm
and it changed Labavage forever. the
story of this forum that the dan not and
it did change because the all the dan
was about the future we didn't
understand it then we didn't understand
why the reb is investing so much in it
why the reb is taking it so hard to hurt
so much you know why it's worth it why
it's so much worth it to to uproot
entire labavage for this forum
like what's what's what's happening
today years later when we listen to the
sikas and we see the but the reaction at
that time we just felt that that there
is a there is a fight there is a kung
against the reb there is a a position to
the which is a position and we have to
fight it and we have to win it and we
won we didn't understand the real
application what really it meant what
like just like I said before that the
like to that the reb was 50 years ahead
of the entire of everyone
Even with this forum, the Reb was way
ahead every one of us, we didn't
understand what's behind it. Like we
see, you see now the Reb's moves, every
move the Reb like I said a story about
this this Jew in Alaska that the Reb
sees 50 years ahead what's going to be
with him and and what's going to play
out. We little people don't see it. So
when the Reb says Mashiah is coming
today and the Reb means that that that
now he's planting the seeds for the
coming Mashiach and it's going to come.
This is the process to bring. So you're
saying so
you're saying the the
like the brought out like
not just for then but
for for for
>> right in other words the happened
because of the preparation for the
future that itself
>> it needed it needed
it needed to happen
>> needed to happen because it doesn't make
any sense why it happened then it
doesn't the I mean you know from a
logical point of view the the the the
nephew should have come and demand the
books in the youths
>> when he had when he had the balabatim on
his side the balabatim from the yeshiva
when he had
>> say it came out of left field
>> it's what 25 years later you come asking
for it what happened
but the was it needed to happen there is
a famous m from the
from
where the Reb speaks about the
that the famous Moshul that a king that
he that he when he when he's the
all the all the treasures that his
parents and his grandparents had and he
doesn't show it to them but when there
is a war is and then the Reb says and if
that's not enough what else is the king
willing to do that he's willing to give
is willing to give his life away. The
Reb says that the king is willing to
give his
why because what is the real
of the king? What is the real life of
the king? What is the real of the king
is
that his will his mission should be
fulfilled. So the king is willing to go
to war in order to win the war. Even if
he gives away his glue in order that
should be his is real should be in the
sky. So we when you listen to that to
that
you must hear from the Reb what's going
to be the Reb says clearly that the king
is willing to go all the way and give
away his
in order that his will should be his and
and you could see the poem the Reb was
begging people to go on was saying after
and when really was the pre when was
really the real storm of began
That's what I said before about the
when when is the that when
that what is the ultimate
but you do it because you want to do it
and the said then
said that it's such a
that people should have the the the
ability to choose that even if you make
a mistake it's worth Even if the will
mess up, it's still worth it because the
nobody could do it for you. Only if you
could do itb the ultimate is that we
that we choose to do it. So theb gave us
a newb
starting a new and what is the new abs
that when it started when is the true
started only when were not there only by
so I'm going to say I'm because I'm
thinking I'm thinking to what the way
you're describing
what it means to be in the he always
write in the presence like a language
you always in the Reb's presence
and for me I mean I I I wish I mean I I
saw the
etc
but I I wish that I can have
that feeling and I obviously like writes
that
if you have to listen to those that talk
about it and you can have some type of
feeling and I I've experienced that also
but you're saying something deeper I
think that in order to bring in order to
the
it's going to be in such a mat of now
like you're saying over
>> I mean the the famous line the rebs the
famous line the said
that this this could
that everyone thought after
it's over. what's going to be and it's
the true opposite that Dava I still
remember the interview that that Pak had
on CNN
right was right before Dutanos few
>> and and the interviewer was also a Jew I
forgot his name a famous
>> Ted Ted Kappel
>> Ted Cap that's why
>> it was night line Ted Kapp night and Ted
CP is asking Potak what's unique about
the Reb
>> and Kim Pak says
It's impossible to explain it. You have
to you only if you saw it, you
understand it. And then he said, I'll
just give you a little example. I was
afraid to be alone with him in the same
room because I'm afraid I'll I'll not be
any more objective.
>> He didn't want to go.
>> Yeah. And when you see the video from
you, see how when the Reb speaks about
him, how he takes his eyes
tells me as he use his influence of
writing for and he had like a so he's
like he's stroking his beard
and and the reason for bringing him
before that I feel before that when he
came to the first time and the Reb said
and he says to the Reb, I learned in
he's like he's like he felt the need to
tell the Reb I learned Nisha he was a
reformed rabbi but he tells rabbi lisha
you could see that he was miser there in
such an amazing way in the present that
later by the second time he came to the
bank and he didn't want to come over to
say and to he was afraid to go because
he'll lose his objectivity he he felt
the reb and he tells that couple
he says that if you didn't see it you
don't I can't explain it but I could
tell you I was afraid to be with him in
the same room that I would not be
objective anymore that he felt that the
of the and he was a yeshiva kid. So why
you mentioning this
>> that what to what extent the rebay is to
what extent that even a reformed Jew and
a writer reformed rabbi who wrote books
and everything he when he was in the
Reb's presence he he felt that
>> so what do you say what are you saying
after
>> it mean it means to say that that the
true could not be fulfilled
>> when were there because it was such a
that affected everyone so when you went
to you went because the Reb wanted you
to go, not because you really understood
what it is it's all about. But the Reb
was saying that the ultimate of must be
that we should want to do it that we
should choose that the Reb wanted to see
a generation of who choose the Reb who
choose who choose the
who choose the
>> and I think I think you see it it's
still happening now happened right but
I'm saying just right now
passed away just just now saying you see
people there's like a certain I told a
few people that I was speaking to that
there's certain like changing of the
guard ever saw the changing of the guard
in the the palace in can I see it in
England I saw it in Canada they come in
the old the old the old old group leaves
and the new group is there right away so
us me and you and everyone else it's not
there's a heick
It's a direct ham. It's different people
and it's da the right and
>> no but the reason is another here that
the reb is here now stronger than before
even though that we don't see the reb's
presence. So that's that's I was going
to ask you because at the end of the day
you can say okay fine
it's deeper it's right the says but but
but but you see but because because you
know then the whole mo 90% 80% of was
hanging on to this and now you could go
there you could go there you could be
here you could you could be in it you
cannot be in it so it's a it's a so so
>> it from one hand it seems seems harder.
It seems harder, but in truth it's much
more easier than even was before.
>> Right?
>> That's in truth.
>> Because because we see
that it's like whenever the takes one
thing away, he gives another thing.
Whenever the Reb takes one thing away,
he gives something else. Like we see it
about blind people that they have a very
special in in in hearing things and
smelling things.
Because we don't see the Reb physically,
the pel mamesh, the reb's presence is
much more big in us in a way that if we
only choose to do the right thing. You
get such such and such push from the reb
that you never saw before. Gims.
So for example, I always give the
example about my daughter wearing
mushikas to to Zambia.
that that typical when they come to a
place it takes them a 10 years 20 years
to have a building she came to Zambia
she already had a balabos waiting for
her giving her a house and want to give
her a whole campus
those things didn't happen 50 years ago
didn't happen 30 years ago such a thing
such things didn't happen the same thing
happened now in Fairbanks with the went
to Fairbanks that Abalabos bought him a
building before he even set foot in
Fairbanks Those things didn't happen
times. And there's also there's also
another of the relationship of
relationship
that today if you're plugged in and if
you and if you have the slave and care
about it and you're
you probably know and understand the
more than people did that were standing
by because because the mount that you
read the mount that you watched and the
mount that saying
pe people tell me when they read the
let's say the I heard from an older
probably your age. He told me I read the
what I like about it is because I I read
things that I stood by the I was at and
I didn't realize that I that that it
happened and I read it. So I'm learn I'm
learn I'm learning what happened when I
what I I'm learning what about what I
saw. So it's a it's a
>> I mean obviously obviously it's a
obviously that uh it's a it's a very
very uh there there's no there's no need
to say that how broken we are that we
don't have the reba here with us. That's
the obvious. obviously that we are very
broken. Obviously that we are very uh
missing the Reb, very empty without the
Reb. No question about it. There's no
need to say that. But the Reb is being
the Reb
at the end of the day. He makes
decisions.
He is the Reb. He makes the decisions
what's going to be and how it's going to
be. And he made that decision.
So we need to accept the decision and
and and see that if the Reb made the
decision it must be that that's for the
good of the generation and for the good
of the entire Jewish world and for the
good of the future Mashiach that's the
Hashem that's the that's the says that
the mel is going to be
says like maybe seven or eight times in
repeats it that he gives away the
for that
So if the Reb says that that's what the
Melik needs to do to to win the war of
being Mashiach, everyone has to everyone
understands that to bring Mashiach means
that the entire universe will change.
The entire world will change. This is
not a simple thing being Mashiach.
So so if we we don't and we don't know
anything about Mashiach. Well, what do
we know? We are simple people. Flesh can
mention what do we know about Mashiach?
And and when the Rebi is telling us this
is the day being Mashia. So the 3,000
years from Martin from three 3,300 years
the entire Jewish world is waiting for
Mashiach and this is our generation.
It's our Reb and we are the people who
are
charged with that mission to bring
Mashiach. I mean this is like crazy
stuff. This is not a simple thing. We
are we are talking about world the
greatest world event ever.
So, so obviously that that that things
unusual are happening. So this the fact
that there was a gimmos and the fact
that that that the rebi and there was no
as the rebba said in New York times to
to to Israel shanker in tough shaman
based in 197 1972 shashim he asked the
rebba what's going to be the future he
said to the reb you and everyone could
look it up in the york times it's online
he said to the rebel you and the and the
reb have children who is going to be the
eighth reb and the rebb gives four
answers the rebre says firstb starts I
have I have plans to live many more
years. Then the Reb says that um we
should leave the war is for Mashiach and
we and the word we should leave for
Mashiach.
>> And then the Reb says he continues and
he says that um that um that that that
why and why why should we push him off
for why should we push him off Mashiach
for tomorrow? He could come today.
And then the Reb says there is a great
deal of work to be done more than 120
years of one person.
And we are now right after the 120 years
of the Reb. We're 123 and we see what
happened in the last 30 years. You see
the Reb said there is a great deal to
work of work. The Reb saw this old plan.
The Reb needed to have a in every city
in every pinam and it's finally being
fulfilled. Theb said the said is not
it's not a party
said
>> right it's going to be for
and finally we see that
finally we see that are starting to now
we see that everybody I mean we had a
reformed rabbi my son-in-law
tells me a few years ago he went to a
funeral the reform had here and he led
the funeral from a print out of
kabad.org
I mean this is like we are reaching just
two three years ago I was doing the
corona I think for three four years ago
an onra kipper the night the the the day
of yum kipper the night the day before
kitoim kipper there was in the reformed
temple here in ank on the Facebook there
was a picture of the reb with a quote
from the reb
>> I mean for the reformed temple a picture
of the reb and z and z the temple put it
up
>> I mean this is like things that you
couldn't even imagine three years ago.
If someone if someone would tell me
three years ago that the reformed temple
in Anchorage would have a quote with a
picture of the Reb Facebook Arabium
Kipper the day when they all come to
when the biggest day in the temple when
everyone comes to Kidra they should have
a quote from the Reb with a picture of
the Reb. I would tell you that you're
crazy. You're out of your mind. It will
never happen.
So what what what do you say
first of all anyone that's listening to
our conversation and there's a ber I
think it's very clear like the says that
is to be
to be part of the mission and go
what do you say to many many people that
were not yet to to be like we said
before official how are they part of the
Debb's mission of bringing Mashiah
>> if you're not ach
>> I was I was I was mocked that anyone
that's listening to this obviously
understands that the MS had
isn't and if they're or
unmarried girl the it's time to make to
do it for the future but if you're not
>> the answer is very simple the Reb the
Reb created
for that. The Reb created tank for that.
The Reb created the entire the the by
the Reb there was never such a concept
that if you're not a you are you are off
you could do whatever you want. You you
you are out of you you're not part of
the mission. I mean it's like when when
I grew up in in in Benbagen as a as a
little kid right in the laments
every every purim every Kaneka they were
going a bus from Anash from Arsh would
go travel to the to to the to to the
Mnot Sabah to the to the basis of the of
the army of the of the military to bring
to read the migill to to the soldiers to
bring to bring to bring um purim pim to
migilland Kanek light candles and every
y I remember as a little kid the of
he was with he lived in he would go with
my father with two other we would go to
the to the biggest hospital in Israel
telles which is right near right near
Ben we would travel there with his car
was the driver and we all slept
thousands of matzas in bags all made in
bags already and we go from room to room
and give out matz to every patient. I
mean what does that mean? There is there
is so much work to be done
could only reach to a few hundred
people. That's it. How much
leave in Kites? Let's take an example.
There are how many we have in Manhattan?
Let's say 10. Let's say 10. There are
three million Jews in Manhattan. Two
million Jews in Manhattan. Is it
possible for for the 10 kabad to reach
even 30% of those Jews? It's impossible.
We for that we have our old K heights.
Every Jew in Kits is is the rebu is
mobilized to work to the Reb's work. It
comes Friday, you have to go with time.
And if you're about boss, you don't have
to go in Somalia Friday. M every day you
go to work, you go a half an hour
earlier or you or you go doing lunchtime
and you go all the office around you and
you put on film with and and you and and
you become the of in at your work
everywhere you take them to the you take
you invite them to your house for
Shabas. What what does that mean? There
is so much work to be done. It's it's
it's the old concept if if I'm not a I
cannot do the Reb's work. It's crazy.
You fly to Israel, you go on the plane,
you put on film with Eden, you tell Eden
to go to the there is so much work to be
done. When I was when I was in Gman in
Kan Heights before I before I went to I
wrote the the book about the rebes.
>> Yeah. Can you talk about that? Why did
you write the
>> Sure. Sure. I'm coming there. So, so I
used to have a class of of of a group of
Israelis who would come to my home and
we'd have a class once a week or I'd go
to their homes and then then I took them
to the Reb to Dallas and and
>> you were killing them.
>> I it was it was right after before I
went and and I and I and I I gave Shur I
took them to the Reb. Two of them had
children because of that. Now they're
big supporters of Kabalas is their
cities where they are. um shinon was a
parade. I took them I I passed by the
Reb because I wanted to see the Reb and
uh and uh even though even though I was
not part of the groups and I was the
last group and I asked Shan Bam, can I
go? He said go. So I started to go with
them and and and Yank is asking on the
microphone who is this group and I felt
bad because I didn't tell the I I didn't
get official permission. So let me but I
want my my Eden to see the Reb. And we
banned by and I told him all to look to
the Reb. And you saw the lately what
Mashin said about the parade. You saw
that announcement he made
from the youths made announcement that
every bakar has to help with the parade.
And he said and every said what is a
parade? What is the purpose of the
parade? All the Jewish children in the
yoke should have opportunity to see the
reb. It says
so he said
>> when the seadic
sees that Eid poa that he he heals the
the wound that that's the mission of
what is the parade that a little kid was
not religious should s should see a reb
and that will stay with him for the rest
of his life. I was walking home. I went
to Sham Zaka here in Stamford. And I was
walking home with the uncle, not the not
the uncle of the uncle of the whatever
the baby, the the uncle of the father.
We live near each other. So I was
walking home with him talking about the
I was about in the 60s. Yeah. I saw the
Yeah. It's it's
>> not he's not the first person I met like
that.
>> I'll tell you in a minute a story about
a gid that told me what he saw the Reb.
I'll tell him a minute. Go, go ahead.
>> No, no, I finished them.
>> Okay. So, because you asked me about so
we'll talk about
>> Oh, yeah. I want I want to know. So, you
made you write you write a book about
the first year of became lean and the
whole story which is a accomplishment.
Tasha working. Yeah.
>> Why do you decided to work on this book?
Like how where does that come from? So
the real story is that when I was a
little kid, I read the old Sephraatildas
and I was really uh I knew the old
Sephildas and um and the Sephratildas
starts the alterbain
and goes till the FB
and then the FIB what is the last
chapter the
and the what was the chapter by the it's
actually a letter that wrote from
America to Israel this B's name was
Dubinski
Dubinski's son.
>> He model Dinsky. He wrote the letter.
So, so
took that letter. Can I show it? And he
printed it. And when I read the letter,
it's I saw it's missing a lot of
important pieces. It just it's doesn't
sound right.
>> So, for it doesn't sound that there's
enough information on what really
happened there.
>> You're saying just reading the letter as
being a writer I felt that a lot of
holes there's a lot of holes in that
letter meaning that I don't you don't
see um the reb's presence
in the letter in the in the funeral in
the the whole in there so I knew that
something is missing him I mean he wrote
just his personal perspective what he
felt needed to write to his father he
didn't think about anyway So later on
when I worked on a skesish if you if you
know that I I me and Gian as bim
this was one of one of my projects
that as a ben70 that we we were looking
for the rebikas and we couldn't find in
770 you couldn't find the rebikas and
finally when there wasn't in the library
sitting there I saw there is only only
it was like 20 or something books of all
the sas from the reb from
the were coming out but no one bothered
to compile them at the proper
>> no no no no theas from from the mems
they came out organized but the from the
previous years they were missing because
there was no real organization like it
was in the mems so would write or they
didn't write
>> there was sometimes they wrote and some
were means that nobody really made the
>> ins and the laments until lamemed
something like that there was no real
good anas so a lot of the anas were like
just an parties so there was not
published to everyone so only 30 bim had
it and it was in the reb's library and
and that's it so nobody if like me
wanted to read so there was only the 21
23 volumes and that's it and every every
books miss was missing like 10 for was
missing 20 was missing from this year
from that year from that year So we
wanted for ourselves to collect we
thought just for me for ourselves to
make for a few bim so we could be bought
a cup machine and and we asked Ra
Krinsk's son
the in
um you know Ley Krinsky asked him if he
if his father give us permission if if
father could permission to have a room
in 770 he gave us a room in 788 and we
started to copy the then we started to
research and we saw oh my god there is
so much So we didn't realize anyway it
took us a few years to do it and we made
50 volumes out of from the 23 we we
researched we found all the we took we
had we have 50 bim work for us one b was
typing rabb was working for us typing
the rabbas from tape and then and then
and then printing them and then binding
them whole story and we we we had to go
to an init we promised an we make we'll
make a set if they give $1,000 for us we
will gave him a set and and like Mos Rab
Schaefer was one of the first people
that I went to and he agreed and um he
gave us $1,000 and then we would ra gave
us more than $1,000 for the for the
project and we didn't believe we young
young kid we had no idea how long it
will take it took us anyway so so when I
did the skesh when I worked on tiny
someone told me that Rabbi Al is a human
so I went to him and that started my
relationship with with with Alleg and
and with the human of and I took some
that he wrote that were not in the skes
and I put them in as an into the
but because of that I I started to read
the and I started and I realized there
is such a rich uh information what was
going on in so the idea already started
from then from that we have to make a
book about it but I never really took it
seriously but then finally in after my
wedding I decided I'll do this as a
project because I for and I actually I
actually I I put some pieces of in the
in some of my chur that I made for in
the years of me and I also and I also
did I printed magazine some of the
beautiful stories from
translated from
so I got kind of involved in
>> So you were doing this in the time
yourself the the book.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course to kahas
what you want to do.
>> No, no, no, no. I I I I started to work
on the book and then I went to Rabi
Kinsky and I spoke to him about this
Raikinsky said I knew it's a very
sensitive issue because I can't promise
anything. You made the book if the book
is ready we'll give it to the Reban then
we'll see. But he he he couldn't promise
me first I went to the other people in
Kos they all sent me to Kinsky. Then I
went to Kinsky Kinsky I can't promise
and the book is ready if you want if
you're willing to do it. So I raised
money for the book and I
>> Yeah, I was going to say no one paid you
to do this.
>> No, of course not. I raised money to to
to make the book and uh and uh but but I
felt there is a need for it and uh then
you you know the whole story how I took
also Rab Zakovski to in New Jersey to
help me. He was a young ba then I needed
help with collecting items and so on.
But the old book I wrote myself and I
was sitting on every word uh Shivaim as
we say uh to make sure because I know
it's a very sensitive issue. So every
word was
>> because you felt you saying you felt
that that the story should be told but
doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that
we have to publish
>> things that are not neg
things were not and and and it turned
out to be that uh when I made the book
after the book was published a lot of
people told me why didn't you come to me
to interview me but the truth is when I
tried they didn't want to
>> so a lot of people they they you know
they didn't want to be interviewed and I
I took most of the things that I took
was not from interviews. I mean Zamagar
gave me an interview. What was
interesting with Rabi Gurari when he
gave me the interview he said to me I
will tell you why am I even talking to
you and he said that once he remembers
the Reb told him that
there has to be a that you have to make
a safer about this time
told him that and he totally was not
understanding it
>> totally didn't I didn't understand what
did I mean who should make us safer, why
to make us safer and it was forgotten.
And when I came to him, he said to me it
came back to him had you to
>> I didn't I I had no idea.
>> Not like I
>> that that's what they called.
>> So So you know I I had no idea. So
that's why he said that's why I'm
talking to you. He he told me a lot of
things that I couldn't even put in the
book. Very special things. But he was uh
but but he gave me a lot of information.
And then David gave me a little bit of
information and rabbi gave me a little
bit information
>> but it's ma it's mainly from the letters
from and from
>> yeah mainly it's from letters and from
yeah mainly from the letters and also um
raiki gave me information but for the
churas he already passed away but for
the churas he gave me information and
some of the chur I I reused them for
later for the book and then also um tal
who passed away lately Um his mother his
mother um had that recording from label
when she was a youngster infra
gave the whole history of tiny when he
was still young it was either was in the
lament I think the laments and uh and uh
it was very very interesting was like a
whole two hours two and a half hours so
I took it down I wrote it as if it's an
interview but it was really recording
from him
>> and So and a and a few things that he
said there a few special things came out
later
documents that actually supported that
but the reb himself wrote
>> and u anyway so later in the last the
last 30 years huge material came out
>> new material that I did not see but all
the material that I that came out is
only supporting the the line that I took
in my book the way I did it
>> what's the line
>> that that um
that right from the beginning, literally
from the first few weeks, the entire
majority of Anash around the world was
already glued to the Reb.
>> So that is the truth.
>> We don't need to get into the whole
thing, but
>> basically everyone knows that that there
was
so I think historians that or whatever
people that tried to they want to say it
wasn't so simple. there was this camp
and there was that camp and I mean I
read the book obviously and I also
by a lot of people myself I mean that's
a there was no movement
the only movement a real move maybe
there was a but the only movement that
existed probably from day one you say a
few weeks I'll say from day one is that
because it's
for sure from day one for two example
that one example I wrote in my book but
the one example May Ali just told a very
interesting example. Um you know by the
by the city there is a custom that at
the at the funeral after the funeral
they make an announcement who is a
rabbad was not a custom. Well usually it
took a year or more
>> but but the concept always says
the second.
>> Right. Right. So
the yardb's
book that is
so the same thing happened by the rebel
a few examples I have in the book and a
few examples I later one example that is
for example that um
that told me that that shabas by day the
Phil passed away in the morning shabas
morning two hours Later, the Rashag was
holding the Reb's hand and walking with
the Reb, crying and saying to the Reb,
"What's going to be? What's going to be?
What's going to be?" And the Reb calmed
him down. And they were going back and
forth in the hallway in the Philic Reb's
house. And the Reb calmed down.
Everything going to be okay. Everything
going to pay will continue. And and
another story that happened uh that's in
the book also that uh there was a one of
who had who was supposed to have a
supposed to have party became a party
>> and he didn't know what to do what
should he do the just passed away so he
ran to 770 and he saw he was the
authority he went to said what to do
said to him go to the raash go to the So
right from the beginning
the Reb made the decisions and the the
most interesting story that happened by
the by the came out. So one is in the
book that when they took the fabba down
the reb said loud that we're making atai
we make a condition that we are putting
you here only in that if we will go to
Israel that we will take you with us.
That's one thing that they saw that the
rebel led everything and the second
thing that Malik told the story lately
that I never knew before that um there
is a custom that you put the sand of in
the casket and in the grave and so they
wanted to put the sand the Reb said that
the fic reb does not need Israel send
someone of the family started screaming
no bishu bishu was And the rebbit said
if my husband said we don't need so I'm
with my husband
and why the Reb and they didn't put the
Reb led the right from the first second
and why they didn't put why the Reb
didn't want to put because the Reb says
the famous
theb explains
what's the difference between oil what's
the mile of going to the oil theb says
that there soil because there was the
there so the is not there there is the
is there but it's not the essence of is
there but it's not big there and what
where the where the was the msh that
parable then you there is a wall a big
wall and falls down so the stone on top
of the wall falls the lowest so in soul
is there's no gill
>> falls the farthest
>> falls the farthest so therefore the
inner to soul there's
because
that's the place where the atmos so
therefore the the does not need the
offer he doesn't need the send from
Israel but that's where the go is but is
not where
so that he doesn't need the sent but you
could see that that the reb led from the
first second that his nas the reb was
the ni and his decisions were made.
There was absolute and and and not only
that especially within days I mean like
Dubov that's in the book Abed Dubov is
the one Dubov from from Manchester he's
the one who asked the Reb the the day
after the stalkers or the day of the
stalkas he asked the rebba to take over
the nas and the reb to him what do you
think the said his name is a reb and
then a week when he went back to England
and he went to's house and he together
he had a meeting with And he sent a
telegram to the reb wrote back the vi
the reb wrote to beta I'm sure that he
heard what I told Dubov and he was here
about this.
So so so but anyway all the information
that came out you could see clearly that
my line was true. I think it's connected
to what you said before where you were
describing what it meant to be.
So after your
all the people there saw this right
away. So it's not it's not it's not a
sha
>> they actually they actually saw it
before maybe I told you many years ago
um Rabbi Norman Lamb the president
university came to visit us in Alaska
came for a tour here he came with his
wife and his sister and I took them uh
on a drive to a mountain here a special
place it's called a special place here
in Alaska and there on the way back that
we went back from the m down to the
mountain and there was a we had like a
smoke the car was smoking. So we had to
stop the car to
>> has a smoking car.
>> Wait to wait to wait. Even though it was
actually a a very nice good win, a big
van.
>> Stop it today. Your car doesn't smoke.
>> Wouldn't do that. Yeah. Anyway, so we
stopped the car and and the two ladies
were singing with Meni with my song Meni
from Masilla. Um they were sitting with
him and telling him stories and I hear
how and I was talking to him of of a
lamb and I hear as the the ladies are
telling men that um they remember they
used to be young girls in in Kits in the
1940s and they remember when the reb
came to America and they remember the
reb to walk in the streets of Kingston.
So the two ladies, she and her sister,
two ladies, they tell my son and how
everybody came out of the houses to look
on him. He looked like a prince.
>> They they just they they said the beauty
of the Reb. But it's not that. It's
exactly what the Rebana writes in how in
our memory the Rabbi Khana writes that
that when the Reb was a little kid,
everybody was joined to look at him
because there was that shine that came
from him that it was inhuman. It was was
beyond humanity. It was a spiritual
shine that came that it caught
everyone's eye. It's like when saw the
saw the the the burning bush and but it
says turned to see what is it because he
saw something a snare. He saw something
which is not natural. He saw non-natural
scene. That was the Reb. When you saw
the Reb, you saw something which is not
normal. It's not human. This is not a
normal thing. And I still remember how I
saw the rebum kipper
by Ma the first time when I was a little
kid involved and I still remember
sitting down and taking off his hat and
and and sitting down
>> then I became a tail. I became an ali
and I and I remember like now I remember
seeing the reb's feet and something
I never you saw it's not human you saw
something not normal here and I remember
I I I barely ded him I was holding the
and looking at the reb I couldn't take
my eyes off the rebba and I remember
when the rebba jumped on the chair for
for the reb was when
was 74 years old and the reb jumped on
his chair and turned around.
I would not be able to do it today.
I mean, it's like unbelievable. I I
remember I was like, "Oh my god, I
couldn't believe it." The jumped up on
his chair and turned around and it's not
jumping and he jumped and it's a soft
chair and he jumped on it and he was
making that. It's like you have to
understand it's like it's not you saw
mash you saw I was a little kid. That's
like like wow this is not this is not
you you you felt it in your bones this
is a lus you felt that this is I always
just tell my balabatim that anybody who
saw the rebba had no doubt that there's
a because you saw you saw that there is
a god in the world you know people who
didn't see the maybe could have doubts
but people who saw the rebba have no
doubts you know that there is a in the
world because you saw a phenomena which
is beyond on human nature. You saw this
is this is you saw this is this is the
this is this is the chain of
this is
you see the balm you push you saw you
saw the balm in our own time I remember
something about the forens the long
I used to stand some years I had my
place on on the top of the of the
benches so I was very high I was like
the same height of the reb but Because I
was there I was sitting I was
>> your place was directly across
>> directly across the river. Yeah. So I
remember some of the and when it was
long forensans it was like getting close
to the end of the brain and I was
already tired and you know you're
listening for like five six hours you
would listen to every word to catch
every word understand every word and and
sometimes I took like a second to
breathe and I and I look just on the
scene and I still remember that scene.
You see the red is sitting because when
I when I listen for a minute and I
closed my eyes to understand but I took
that second just to watch it. I still
remember that scene.
>> You didn't look at the
spoke. I I looked at the but a lot of
times I would close my eyes to
understand
>> and I was I was into what the Reb is
saying but sometimes I took the moment
just to watch the scene and this was a
scene like you felt you literally felt
the light on the on the Reb on the Rebel
like there was and it says in the
Gmorrah that there was a
you felt it it's not you you saw
something unusual it's like that scene
of the Reb sitting there and bringing
it's like It's out of this world. So, of
course, of course, it's a the fact that
we don't have it is a is a huge crime
against humanity. That's a huge crime
against the Jewish people. There's no
question about that. It's it's it's it's
the I mean, to me, is
of course it's a it's a crime. It's a
mdash. There's no question about that.
There's no question about it. But
if the Reb decide to do it, if the
decided to do it, there must be a
reason. There must be a mission and
there must be a mission and that mission
must be fulfilled and we are in that
mission there and the Reb is with us.
The Reb is like making sure that we will
fulfill this mission and nobody is is
out of this mission. Everyone must be
part of it and we will the reb is going
to is and we see clearly we see if it's
about Israeli politics if it's about
if it's about theim all over the world
the way theim today are accepted it's
just you can't compare the way we are
accepted today in in in Alaska in
comparison like the person who built the
the the kabaras in in in fairings he's
the person who built the reform temple a
few years ago there 30 years ago The
same person who built the reform temple,
he's the one who built Kabadas. It's
like things like that, you couldn't even
make them up. 30 years ago, they will
never happen. The person who build the
temple will build the kabalas. You're
crazy. You can't even imagine that. But
this is happening today. Like there is a
there's a revolution in the world and
the and the shas that the of the have
today with the entire leadership of the
of the world leadership with presidents
and kings all over the world the
personal connection that we have is is
beyond words. I mean it's not only about
Israel. We talk about the United States
everywhere. Look what Ra just had the
prayer in Washington and the president
was saying he was the first one who gave
the prayer. I mean things like that
happen today that never we couldn't even
imagine. Look how in in now what they
have now every year 100,000 Jews are
coming to to tokism.
Things are the people are coming to the
oil. I mean I had here last summer I had
a group of ladies from from from five
towns and one of them is a daughter of a
very very famous Jewish activist. I
don't want to say the name like one of
the top top Jewish activists in America.
And she tells me that she she and her
friends they go every m Shabas to the
oil and not only that she says to me
sometimes I have a friend who what's up
so everyone I'm going to the oil anybody
wants to join we jump into the car and
we go I mean it's like I wouldn't
believe it woman I mean I wouldn't I
would never dream this is could happen
>> over over here I don't have to ask
people they ask me let's go
>> it's just like unbelievable it's like
you can't even imagine who would thought
gimlamos that this will the way it will
look like today. Nobody dreamed that
this will be.
>> Yeah.
>> But it it shows you that and so so
obviously I mean there's no question
about it that that what we saw
of course it's it's it's a it's a it's a
crime. It's it's I mean when I look at
my grandchildren and as they got to the
oil I mean my heart is breaking. It's
I mean I mean I see bim who don't do not
have the opportunity to assemble the for
bringing you know what it means to be by
the for bringing one for bringing one
for bringing not to not to have that we
had every shabas one for bringing
but but from the other hand I seek I
mean what you said before about the
people tell you about the I see it
myself when I listen out of the I was
there I see a whole new depth
that I never even understood was
standing there and I listened to the
first time. I see a whole new meaning.
>> I in in every fra I see I see how the
Reb is leading to a certain goal that I
never even saw. Then I looked I looked
at the ter question and answer I didn't
understand that there is a whole
even as much as I understood then now
it's like and I see it in all different
way. It's like a whole The Reb has a a
mahalak that he's leading the whole
world. All of his talks and all of his
all leading to the same and in different
ways and is like ain't safe. It's is
infinite in his if it's whatever burim
that he has on on if it's if it's on the
reb there is and and all the chur are
coming out with the letters from the reb
with the miners from the it's endless.
It's a lifetime. is not enough to to to
to even to to cover just to read the reb
text not even to understand not even in
depth just to read just to listen to all
the fab you know Josh Gordon they say
that
Gordon that he listened to all the fabas
>> I mean I listen to it's like the there
is nothing there is no biggest pleasure
in the world than to listen to forever
the the the rakite the the the gishmak
the strength the the the amuna you get
from death is like unbelievable and it's
it's such a that the Reb gave us such a
such a gift that the Reb gave us and the
and the Reb actually meant it was that
that should be recorded. The Reb had a
special I I remember not not too long
ago the I saw the Reb said um the Reb
wrote about listening to the recording
from his Fangan. Yeah,
>> there was an old plan in that the Reb
said to listen to the also here in New
York there was not there was and the
famous you know the famous story that
the Reb said by the almost one of the
last rallies you know
>> they should send the uh the video to
send the video to to Russia and the Reb
said but the sent to the children that
there are kids around the world who
cannot be here right
>> but when you will make with your hands
and you'll see with they'll see the
Levica pictures and they'll see the
they get pictures that
>> they'll see the picture and then they'll
also have the Reb set him to send it and
there is also the video from the from
the whenever comes into the Reb and it
says to the Reb that his business is in
videos and the Reb says have you seen
the video that we made Kaneka and you
saw the Jews in Russia were dancing
together with dancing around
>> like so they see the Reb was like saying
to him we we know about videos and we we
in the business of videos we we and
because the Reb emphasized The Reb put
the kayak in the video in the picture. I
mean the Reb himself wrote a famous
settle about a woman who had wrote to
the Reb that she has a the Reb looks at
the Reb's picture.
Therefore he looks back on you and that
gives it the says that a picture and
told to carry a picture in his pocket
many to carry a picture
was telling people and
>> yeah so there is clearly that the rebik
this was very very
an uplifting conversation and uh
we already be it should become even
bigger.
>> Amen. We should all be to fulfill the
and we should be to see the mash. I
think we missed one important point.
>> Yeah,
>> we have one more minute. One important
point that we should talk about it and
that is the concept of what is the for
>> I think it's
>> go ahead. Go ahead. I think it's very
very important for people to understand
that and that is that um I just want to
say one line and had a big in that line
and that happened
by the famous of Shabas after Pes
and the Reb asked to sing the of the
and the Reb asked the was in a something
unusual. The reb took a lot out of it
was in a huge mir
and the rebb said to the the gimmel the
third of the alterb to again and again
and again and it was such an amazing
that after the rebb stood to he
continued singing the ngan to himself it
was was unbelievable and then the rebba
said why is the ngan so important
because that is the alterb
and he was mamik
He was an a new soul. He was an atmos.
He was something a new from and he was m
to the das after him to the generations
after him. That this the alterb was
mamik he brought to the world a new
gilly from to the generations after him.
And that's based on what the Filic told
that several times
in the last years in America the said he
said to that that the alterb came the
first time to the mid the told him that
told them that the will come he should
tell alterb that he is an he soul and he
has a special mission to bring to
special mission for all the generations
after him until Mashia to bring Mashiah.
So what is a new soul? So people thought
that the soul never came in a gilgal
>> but that's not true. As the Reb says
and also wrote it in the
Reb speaks about
that new soul means what is talking
but there it says that said and the Reb
said it many times by that said that all
the Gim that were inhaz
till Mosiah are all from
and Mashiach is just to say in two words
what does that mean that everyone knows
about the esospherosphere
of the what is
which is
means it's beyond above away from
everything and means it's being it's
being comes down to the to the world so
in kessa there is there is pleasure
pleasure is the highest level and there
is which is the will so so we have we
have intelligent and in order for us to
in order for us to do something we want
to
what do you want to learn you want to
learn something that you have a pleasure
to learn so what whatever you do in life
is because you have pleasure because you
have pleasure you want to do it and you
have when you want to do it you start
learning it and that's how it goes so
the sed goes there is there is
and then there is so the so there said
that all the in are all from
from itself
but when will come will be a primic and
that is the giles because in artic
itself the oftus
so that so
said there are two kinds of there is
which are from mashiach then there is
which is from mashia that's
Theto said to to the to tellb that he is
that he is from and therefore what is
the saying that that
what is the reward from
then we know that what is what is
because everything starts with in order
to have because everything starts with
So before you bring Mashiach in the real
world, you bring the T of Mashiach, the
Mashiach and then that refineses the
world to have Mashiach in the real
world. So that means
so that the what I'm trying to bring out
is that the entire
the entire why is it so unique? Why is
so unique from all of the world? Because
from the alterb on and going every
because every is a malam of the
previousb and said the said
about
that is in me and the said about
himself.
So all the rabbim are the same from
Mashiach and each has a different sphere
that he added to that and the Reb which
is which is the highest level and the
Reb's mission as is to bring that
to bring it in reality in Haz.
>> So why do you uh I'm saying why do you
feel why do you want to share this?
What's important? We're sharing it
because it's important to understand
what's the conson what's the what's the
connection of mashiach withad what's the
whole issue with the mashia why why is
it so important to the mashia and what's
the connection why the rebad
because this is what is
what's unique when you learn you'll see
things there that doesn't say anywhere
else before
said Rabbi Salvich
JB Salvich said that the greatest
philosophy of all the philosophies
>> in
that's what said from all the
philosophers including Aristotle and K
and all of them so that means that the
is a new thing a new that's it that says
Mashia will come to be
that is therefore it's so unique
therefore when you when you spread
You refine the world. You start with and
you bring the world to me reality. So
therefore the for example
the what was the reb's campaign to print
the
>> in every city. Why the rebb gave a gift?
Why he didn't give a
gay himself?
Theb gives a gift. What's the gift
again?
I have four on the why
and what is in the Tanya there is the
all the blood from all the cities with
the Tanya why we have to if you want to
give a class in Tanya in Alaska you
could take a tan from New York was
pretty you have to pick a tan in Alaska
but the idea the said explain that the
idea is just like but there is a from
New York or Tanya from so everyone knows
that is a source of that's a place where
print from Then we know the vna vna was
a city where you have a printed. So that
means vna or or new york became a source
aan where you print. So the reb said he
wants every city that the for the east
is to bring a lus of the gashm that
every city becomes a source of tus
anchor fab every city becomes a source
of t that's bringing the lus down in the
reality of the world and that's the
reb's mission the so it's not like just
happened to be the spoke about mashiach
it's not just happened to be because
that is what the it's all the
>> and and also not only it happens it also
So it wasn't it wasn't like I saw this
lash and it's like the Reb's personal
wish you know it's like like
no
>> it's not the Reb's wish this is what the
entire
>> whatever the Reb's personal like you
know campaign or like
>> yeah as if the was and he wanted Mashiah
it's the he of course the Mashia but
it's much more than that this is what
stands for
>> to change the world and bring in the
world that is mashiach And the reb his
mission is to bring it to reality. So
therefore what we are after we are the
brings Mashiach in reality. Therefore
there was a stalkers because that's the
final the final of us as as people who
can see the Reb that we see the Reb from
within us. That's what the whole idea is
not to see the Reb from the outside of
us but see the Reb from within us to
find the Reb in us. So death
because we because we are because we
don't see the we are broken about it
therefore we find the and that's what
Mashiah so it's not the isb
the is the because he is the he brings
the so therefore So important to
remember that all those mashia and
especially from the last says that the
entire is to bring mashiach that's the
entire work of and all the and to teach
as I said before that when do you know
mashiach is coming when you reach the
and the lost Jews and the the far away
Jews in the end of the world so everyone
you now it's coming somewhere people go
traveling you travel and you find a Jew
somewhere in a in a gas station and They
put on fill with him that will bring
mashia because this is the of the to
find the
very very very good and
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and that's it. Amen.
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