Ep. 13: Discovering the Rebbe with Rabbi Aaron Dovid Gancz

a person [Music] why there's no every and every person each one is a this is your so the fundraising went very difficulty so mine today this is my not yesterday this is today this is cook. That's what is I'm Yasi Cayman. Welcome to among an ongoing fabin about life as aid. Our vibrant connection with the and inspired living shaped by the way he teaches us each and every day. Shalom Rab Gans. How are you? >> I'm doing well and um I want to uh I think we should begin with something that I heard from you once when I was in Marstown in the yeshiva. This is my hakdama. Mahakdama is that you once said that when you were a bakr I don't know where it was but when you were a bak someone made like a satire gim >> correct >> and he uh it starts off bak that's like the how it starts off so and in the satire it said explains what is the ishiva it's some type of creature that dwells in the yeshiva so while I was that type of while I was in Maran I was to interact with you um I don't recall a certain area ever hearing from I'm sure you discussed it just I don't recall hearing it and I think it would be a good way to start so that's that's the the hakama to the question I want to ask you okay but I said it right >> okay yes >> what I quoted you did I quote you Yes. Yes. There was it was a it was a gam made for for so it was it was a it was so it started with describing a double bed you know under the bed. So it had what? >> Yeah. >> Very good. >> Okay. So my my my question which I don't remember you talking about is bakl we're used to um in labav that there's different types and different people and balu and all all you know all different types of people. Uh definitely today it's much more popular but definitely in your time it was definitely I believe you uh you you're from Williamsburg originally right? >> Yeah correct. So my my what I'm trying to understand what I would like to know is what um mo many people that you know they didn't have and they found it's very understandable you know how how how they got involved with the rebavich but it's it's unique when someone grew up you know and made the decision that he wants to connect to the so I'm also curious to like how it happened. But but I guess my main question is what what what was lacking? What what was gaz what was what were you looking for? I mean I know I'm starting off hot and heavy but uh but uh straight to the point doesn't hurt. >> Okay. Um the mice are the mice is when people ask me you know what's gelt you know but I came so the truth is like this I once heard in my kabat house was a discussion about some books that came out from people who went off to and there quite a few who you know writing against orthodoxy so I remember a comment of a in the house who was not wasn't from yet and he told me I'd never in my life read such books he says but what's the point the person is obviously upset with that system and what do you think you're going to be reading there it's obviously it's his perspective or her perspective and there's no point and I wouldn't believe a word you know right >> so I told anybody when I started with I told him you shouldn't listen a word what I'm going to tell you about now or if I'm going to say anything bad about my background, why why should you shouldn't believe me a word. But the truth is I'm going to and I will tell you the so why should you listen? He says but I because I never ran away from anything I wish I'd be and I was never missing anything. I'm thankful for them for my upbringing in every possible way. Maybe they had to talk. Nor was that. As I I I told somebody once, imagine if I went to Z and then when I went into I had some that taught me how to learn in such a way that I it changed my way of looking at the totally am I upset at my I thanked them all my life and then I got to so I didn't come to because anything was missing for nothing whatsoever. I had a beautiful upbringing and I was very and I was a was nothing there. I learned and he learned way before we knew of which we learned. And >> so he he had a yeshiva. He had a yes. He had a private yeshiva and most was his private yeshiva and he was a makish. Unbelievable makish. He first learned he and then finally he came about uponat and it was a he told all the parents you know I'm learning and everybody knew that so he learned it was official >> and no one had a problem with that >> nobody had a problem with that it wasn't love but you know and then they were all muskim to it and um and I I got exposed to and it took me so that's how it became. So I never ran away from anybody. So I told the so now you could listen to me. I'm not I'm not bath mouthing anybody that that it's not so available in any other place and that's what uh took me and that's the nuda. So in so in terms of the Indian of Balachu we're coming now from Ud Thomas I was thinking Thomas interesting interesting was himself against the Russians against the KGB as the as the saying goes said once you know I was mainly And all his life he was busy for the first 10 years is with making and sending off went off to Siberia and so on and so forth under his watch of of his midn is given was the he didn't touch is the Reb took that very same and to change himself. Not all the Yiddish that are affected by them and have to bring a Yiddish all over but bring a Yiddish to those who don't want and say so you're saying that it was similar to and I'm not saying to compare but there take care of themselves and make sure that the ember and the is going and that's the was doing making sure >> but he was doing it but he was doing it wasn't easy in his time he had to post for this >> right but if he didn't want they were not he wasn't they weren't getting people from the you know that were coming into the yeah >> this changed okay >> this so the ability changed but also if you know what The message explains and imagine's times there's no we could say And was busy in he got it down to as the medish explains were there to get out that was the whole to be they took out everything. I remember interesting. I remember first time I walked into a Fabangan uh from Williamsburg. I walked to to Crown Heights. I was a a matas by itself to walk through bet in those days. It was Shabas afternoon. And I remember it was Shabasa. It was Tishwat. Shabasida. So I don't know if it was me besimo. >> You're married or you're a baka then? >> No, I was married. And I walked into the Fabangan and I remember the Reb was speaking a few things but I one thing I remember the Reb spoke then Hebrews they were drowned which is already which is already there he doesn't say he says that even there you took the out of the mit themselves they don't call them anymore call them I don't remember the details of that. I wasn't even a kay to understand full but uh I remember those words when I walked in. >> So what's the difference? So what I want to say is by also remain I heard a story you know it's a famous story I think that he used to be the doctor of the of he Yes, he was and then he became close to the Reb. And I heard somebody once asked them, "How is it shy that such a canoya like you should become to the Reb who's mad and mad and mad?" So he said to me I can't find a bigger canoy than the he said how he says what are the canoyim doing in your see a car they take a stone he says what's the point of that statement the statement is you want to violate chabas and pton You want go to LA, go to Anchorage, go to St. Louis, maybe without stones, with a smile and said, "Sorry, in LA and St. Louis also not in an anchorage also not. I'll make sure there's a there and there's a there and there's a there and no matter where you go, you'll bump into a and he won't let you do it there either. So he says, "Do you have a bigger cano than that?" So the Reb took this whole idea of which is a no question about it which says to send away in in in when it comes to Yiddish and we see now you know the come out of that and things that the Balachas they made and their own children who come out shining stars that what the nephe but that's the nuda The differences of data than before is the day comes bring down another that's so I remember I always tell the story it's an interesting story when we became we had a faban with Yeah. So we you mean the other B whatever the other? >> Yeah. Yeah. Almost to get into that >> except except of whatever those who were close with us. >> So one second before you get to >> Yeah. >> What was like the how did this work? This happened in one day, in one year, in 10 years like what was the >> No, this was already when we were already more open about moral, you know, shalom of whatever they arranged. >> So wasn't was telling saying he he because of his influence the other like a lot of the bakim in his yes is yeshiva ended up slowly being connected to labavage. some yeah someh that's another discussion maybe later I'm not sure whatever >> but u but yeah so we were already lab so we had a fab was in suka I was sitting next to to telling the story of Russia the neph that went on there he told the story they made a mikvah the Russians found out they came they poured full cement in And of course the boss of the house was sent off to Siberia. And then he said but meaning can't go bankrupt. So we made another mikvah. Then they came again and send them off to Siberia. No I just remember like he plots he he he like he made a comment. He says the man is talking like if somebody lost a quarter in a pay phone. He says, "I'm not going to make a phone call anymore. Life has to go on." So I lost a quarter. So no, well that's how he was speaking. But then he started talking about his own journey, how they caught on to him for his and they they got him into jail and they interrogated him. And of course who did the interrogations? It wasn't KGB, was you? which were a communist. I was sitting next to him. I fell off my chair almost. I heard him saying, nobody heard it. It was between his lips still. When he started talking about the guy who did all the to him, I would call him no other of what they did to undermine what they did. And to him personally, who knows how many years. And I heard him saying under his lips when he started speaking about him, he said, "I was floored. I was floored. That's how he explained that. That's that was but then I heard it living. So thinking I was thinking the very same fighting but instead of saying you know that old saying if you can't fight them join them the if you can't fight them you know what make them join you >> huh >> exactly exactly is find make I think what you're telling me is different or one in that you saw in in the Reb that you didn't have exposure to before and that correct was what was that was drawing you >> this was one of the things I I I can't say this was drawing drawing was was was learning and then but as I got exposed more and more you know You know that's open to the whole world. Everybody knows if you want to ask or or of any other sadic. You need to have a sadic to say it because he did it in him. He was madam. He was he gave tunamis and himlaz and he did it he did it po to see a person which is that he doesn't sleep at night in New Zealand which has maybe so to see him being a father of clavius roar You know they say I think they say maybe it I'm not sure I'm not 100% sure the mocker they say that all of was walking by the and he saw putting on film for a fried. So he stopped and he said in his pilots, he said the they think his godless or his people fail to understand that his godlessness is init. So this is this is this is unbelievable. And you think of it you think of it it's it's so natural today but those who remember when started it wasn't an easy thing for Bakarim to go out. It's not an easy thing. Take two 14 or 15 year old Bakaram and walk around in Manhattan and stop a person who's on his way thine on a building in Manhattan. He's a multi-billionaire. His suit is worth $3,000 and he's walking with his fancy tie and two nudnik go over to him. Excuse me, sir. Are you Jewish? Mind your own business. you know and that's a clap in English and one after the other you know there were some resistance too but one after the other come up into a mitzvah tank and put on film they're ma to understand that if a person is lying on the ground and burning and you walk over to them you try to put out the fire nobody will say mind your own business no matter who you are your 13year-old you're 14y old nobody cares you're coming to help me So everything else he does that's beating around the bush is and to get to that pint and that's whatever did and touching those namas touching those shamas one by one that's otherwise you can't do that it's how can I have the guts and the audacity city to go over. I do remember once I was going to and I met somebody and he did give me a big head. I was already then and he said rabbi or sir you know wait can you mind your own business please? He told me I wouldn't take no for an answer. So I told him sir it's exactly what I'm trying to do. Said what can you mind your own business? I said that's exactly what I'm trying to do. It says, you see, you might be a doctor, you might be a lawyer, you might have many levels of professionalism around you, but maybe who are you? Aren't you Jewish? That's who you are. So, how about minding your own business for once? Let's come up. That's how you look at him. that all the money and all the big you know fame that he has this is all is who he is. So that's one of the Reb took down the you know that's explains it was yes but he needed a special special and that comes with that comes with this two reasons. >> Why? >> Why? Because because first of all first of all you know there there's a of which is in other words many people get say I'm starting tomorrow after 3 days, you know. Maybe not. Maybe. Yes. Okay. Maybe not. I'll start. You know, the bottom line is no. You know how much how much do we have in how many were there already? How many something happened? That's the whole of the whole those kind of too. That's that's but there's another thing also because every new thing is hard to swallow. Can you imagine if somebody will say today is gonna take a safer into Yeah. So can you imagine before that's how looked at That was their what to take down to them. If they want to have they want to elevate themselves, digesting it. And it needed to become had to be and to ask them. They wanted to burn him alive because fine. I remember All of a sudden was a big part of the um with your >> Oh yeah. Oh yeah was a big part had unbelievable. You could talk to a 15year-old kid for hours to a single bulant and and even if you take it will take three years to talk about the rebas had this and timely I was a man I I spoke to him privately for hours for hours but so I remember I was in my once a used to come to my to And yet from used to come to they enjoyed it made it unbelievable is not shy to make and doesn't have to make him trip and if he does make >> that's the definition of according says that you can't learn that without say. Yeah. Whatever. There's a I don't know how by other but for sure by by what do you mean it's a human being? >> Yeah, exactly. They're all fallible human being is explaining all of the things that we see in that are look like a mistake or to and he explains what what was being accomplished with this you know toes. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so um said he was once talking in this. So one of the liting stopped him and he asked and everybody froze because everybody knew he had skimped fire and brimstone no problems said yes he was. So he continued was about so he asked so told him first of all don't you know of the native you never saw and It may be lost. But right now and Allah is like and they their are fine but why why do you have to make but then he said but I'll tell you something else he said you have arguments whether it's or not but is of course so how come the made such a big is when they said to the wanted to give the against how they said you know why because they didn't make a t because until that moment is that was akin to like bringing a into you needed And you needed that was something was for that was the but But we see this I mean now what's trudis on the floor and then you know Evan so what's what's tr is it is it right or wrong like you're saying there is a kick but ultimately >> there's a kick because there's a snagus for this and ultimately so How do you said? Should I should I stop? No. And there was a kit for starting it. But once you started, >> so how did you deal with the snagdus from where you came from to to be connected to the >> um how I dealt with it? So first of all I uh I moved to Muny and I started uh started my own life but the truth is that um Kapadel didn't and uh of course they were not comfortable with it. I would I wouldn't say they were comfortable with it, but uh um ultimately I think they saw that I I had recon something. I wasn't I was I wasn't about to be a a renegade child and running away and I'm rebellious and I was stuck and never rebellious. As I said before, I had never never against them anything. So I I have a question. I imagine that I mean you were do there was a few people going through this um going through this. Was there um from theb about how to do this or how or or at what stage or any any knowledge from this? No. I really don't want to go through through the whole parame but I'll I'll just say one that came from theb not to tell anybody >> that he's connected >> years that he's connected to the rebba there were years upon years that we learned and that he was from a whole night every Thursday night and give it over in And he would give her over in the name of the moral go up a moral or he would give it over in the name of uh the mitba when the mitba's safer was that just written wasn't printed when it was printed but yeah or aime from the marash from because the was not printed so who's going to go check it out and he had a from the not to tell anybody about you know the point I'm not going to get into the p was somebody made him got him upset and nervous whatever people finally started >> yeah and he started smelling what's going on behind and we had such a for him and we had such a so we we started to gravitate towards it but wasn't never a a scheme of >> you're say you're saying that um because part because of exposure that you had to the >> and then when we realized the mccrus we're taking things slowly we uh >> may maybe we have to speak to himself in a different podcast but I heard from I think I heard from his son maybe that that when he was learning with him did the same that he was learning Tanya with him and then he would give >> oh he made a deal he made a deal with the >> he made official deal >> right so was telling he didn't tell him that it's coming from the >> and I think he was already he he told him the secret by the way this is from the >> something like that >> you're saying you're saying in a certain way that happened to you in a different a different level >> so so how so you I'm not asking you. I know you said you don't want to do do the whole story, but I'm trying I'm just trying to I want to know um that what what was the first time you saw the Reb? Like how what was that? What was that? When was it? How was it? And what what was that like to see the Reb for the first time? The first time I saw the reba was in me and um I went into from the back door from WLCC. I was standing into the room of WLCC from the window seeing the rebel. That was my first time hidden. I came out and I was in the window in WLCC. >> Yeah. Mhm. So you like Hill Lazaken, [Laughter] whatever you whatever you want to call it. Yeah. But so what did he say? So uh so and then after that when I was exposed to the reb you know I sat with the along its sight discussing in you know >> so what did what did you see by the when when when you first think it's different when you're hearing the from or whatever from when you see the from the >> no you so you should know that it took time because uh one of the that uh has is which is higher Not even as desire says belongs does not belong here. only was only and if you want to give a portion to Mosh to um minor mul right whatever but uh you could have a a melik god ven sitting with his entire suite of all his ministers and discussing Muhammad the thief of and next to them is sitting on the floor a 2-year-old kid playing with a little car and making even noise and disturbing them and they all get upset with him. They want to get him out of the room. But the melik would not let him get out of the room because that little kid is the next meal is the crown prince. He knows nothing about he doesn't speak yet normal. He's not shy to any of the godless of the all they have. All the godless they have. He has no sh to but he's way way higher than all of them. Not in gym. He is the you know so when it comes to the higher are higher and lower are lower says it goes lower symptoms is more is loved. If you look at any picture of any You will see Gilim constantly and I'm not trying to make fun of anybody. People could take it that way. No, even I mean it ends. You'll see any picture of any sadic. It's either is like this or it's like this or and I'm not saying it's it's that's what seemed yeah the Reb you see the Reb's picture you see the Reb smiling and making high you know coming from my background love Davka the first time I was wow You know, takes a while, you know, you know, standing a mile away in the hunt, sit there and hunt, wait, you know, I once heard from the name of uh father. >> Yeah. at first that his father when he came I think by his he came he was here but the rebba and he watched the reb's you know in the early days the rebba walked in there was not a chair for the rebba the sat on a bench can you imagine this by any in the world in the hunt in the for small children. They say that was blown away and he said, "I thought once this is worth billion dollars, but you need it to be Susanna Maven this first time walking in to pick that up. Otherwise, what what did you see? you know. So, There's no glue there. You're saying you're saying you're saying you're saying let's say that's the let's talk about you have a whole persona but then you know you're you're you're just saying this is >> you are who you are >> saying so this is the >> you see nothing there >> but you see nothing you see nothing >> interesting >> I once searched for I I don't think this is recorded in any place maybe in Sabrang is that I said it but I once once when I was singing in the first first few months he you used to go to Crown Heights or this was you used to come to Williamsburg no I went I went to Crown Heights I went house so um was I was a newcomer. So, so I asked >> once you're in lab, you kind of ask questions. Okay. >> Um, okay. So, I asked him I asked them I said who is the maven? Who is that? And sometimes you see it's an so it's a son a son you know son is so but you take somebody who's not a son of that's what I asked. So you talk >> I'm I'm trying to understand you saying because the is not uh your question then because the is not >> maybe it was that too but yeah was >> I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. Okay. You speaking about you are that right? So, you know, a >> good question. Is brought to you by We live in a chaotic world. A world where for us is au we do not have the ability to hear and see the on a daily basis. Yet we know that the is very much with us and is alive and thriving more than ever before. One needs to only tap into it. provides you and your family with the tools necessary to tap into all of this. Whether it's the monthly magazine, the way it all began, whether it's their hair books, their hair online content, and so much more, men, women, and children throughout the world benefit and use these tools on a daily basis. Whether it's children enjoying the children's magazine that comes along with the regular deer or enjoying the children's podcast. 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So, told me is he can't say that is not it shows that it's a it shows that is a person who's above but that's a very cheap in other words but that could be it could be. So I asked him so what is the ayah? So he told me this is this is his own gadunk and his own this is his maybe personal but that's what he told me then he told me that the in the beginning of the fab right away he says I used to sit face to face to the I don't know if there's pictures of it the later years you see them he was sitting facing the rabbi to the left side by the by the table he's sitting more towards the left side of the reb he says by the by uh first years where the Faba was uh two feet away from the Reb face to face. He says when used to speak about again but but on but say he says in spoken of all the and talking about but they talk very little he couldn't write the word fully and he fell into a trends and of when he had to say the word the spoke about so They they were trembling. is told me and he told me the in the very beginning and it bothered me said it >> yeah if I if I remember correctly but because I was sitting like face to face to him I saw then in the beginning I don't know if that's happened later on in the years. In the very beginning whenever the Reb spoke about any time he says without mo emotions without showing anything without told me to me that's way of looking at device. But um >> elabor elaborate on what what this means. >> So we need to be able to elaborate. He didn't elaborate on this. He just told me to me this was an eye. In other words, I was what I was saying is if you follow the rebud all of his life, you don't see it right away. It takes for the kid to grow up and then you see, wait a second, that kid is the mel is you know, so it doesn't you see right away took time. And it took 40 50 years of building was everybody sees it today. You know what's going on at the world that you know you know transformation and it's going strong every day. You know it's you know it's planting a seed and it takes time. It takes time. The Reb himself spoke about that you the spoke about this concept that it takes time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But but especially especially which which is a new thing takes time which is takes time. Other things also take time. Everything took time. But uh >> see the god to see the godless of of of gilim doesn't take as much time that we see right away. Of course it's much more than what we see. We think we think we see that he should tell them it should be at least one of your mother says they stood him. So he said he can't be mala is not allowed but they much so he said I'll be one and he said that's me. So they asked him, you're not a you know so even by we only know we know about that but at least that is visible. It's obvious right away and and and slowly bring that that takes time and till you see it. So that's that's that's basically what I could say in the you know that I would say is about That's how the rebel looked at Israel. Okay. I remember when I started learning actually remember I'm not going to say names of course I remember together with another the other In a deep part Russia brings first the pish and then sheni. The next para Russia does the opposite. Why that person please? didn't say it didn't say in vain. If you decided that this is the seder over here, this is the seder over here and here the whole asp and nothing is it's all you know it's all the and then you see the answers how how you see is after that I wonder as going came on and um he asked every word was fitting in there when he finished. What's your that's exactly what the Raman is saying. So I used to that this is the biggest that you could say people say many it's beautiful it's you know it's you could spring so the had such a way of learning biggest lambdas and so the reba I remember when they came out to pash against the rebu one of them was lonas they made lonas of bishious alafbus if anybody wants to look at the let him open or chef should where he quotes pages and pages of it, you know, but sobb every letter. So the so the say you say is olive spoke about this never spoke about it it's every word of the everything every letter every even I bumped into it lately. It's printed in paras last week's I don't even remember what the is to par the said once that says so the we know from that if you don't have inadush he can't be he can't exist so we need to know otherwise how does he exist But he was he was the forb. Would I mock it in? That's if I can't find you in I want to know. the way and it also took time again because for us if you don't get used to such a limit here brings the here says And here doesn't bring the here says the name of the here doesn't back and forth every okay so this yeah but again it's a impus Yeah, >> there's other in also this Indian >> I'm saying the rabbis whole thing that always have a a goes through everything you know everything the the beginning and the end is connected I'm saying okay but that is yeah it's also So something that the says every is that uh the fact that the name of a para >> happens to be it's not just happens to be it's the beginning of the para therefore it's called if the name of the para is such it's because there's something every word in the para as a has questions about it just saw asking how could a para be called a whole if everything But it's also part of the like you're saying we know says that everything that everything you see here is something in also also initial lael the whole Indian of of what we spoke before. I I I I once heard in the name of Rabbi Weinberg, the head of I I if I'm not mistaken, I heard it from a mocker that he said that uh Laoo were doing such good things and and everybody's entitled to believe in what he's doing that that he's great and he's better than makes even more whatever. I I don't mind friends. It's it's okay. It's fine. But then he said one he said but one thing about one thing I can't he says if I want to put on somebody film I need a few weeks. I need to sit down with him and explain him first of all and show him the is right and then explain what and then when I can ask him maybe and if he's willing and try a little bit he says could take and you know and just ask a person just right off the bat matches. Could you put on film? He says I I I that is another because the Reb could have approached as we spoke before also through making and making and having set up a lot of uh discussions and bringing close. The Reb chose a different Theb chose to do it. And that's the will do the job more than any in the world. as one mitzvah will bring another mitzvah. as a but that's how theb and all the of theb which are millions 90% of them are all around the mitzvah 90% of them is around the mitzvah people used to come to the design and then of course they went home and it was not good and they changed it okay did it a there's a letter from the there's more than one in this style but one that I'm thinking of someone wrote to the rebusa And the Reb was telling him that first and foremost you must act in your according to the gives the Reb says if you're hungry it's not going to help if I explain to you any or anything you're hungry you can't think. So the is telling the is telling this person first fill your your yourself fill yourself up with then we can discuss because they the probably won't even be the I saw once this letter maybe it's not exactly the same letter I'll I'll tell you on my shy I was in the kabad house in suffering many years ago we allowed people to ask shilavra So there was one person who was passionate >> was when you moved to Muny you opened up a cabalas >> uh yeah we had a cabalas for many years first in Muny then it was in suffer and my son now runs at it's now in Montabella close to suffer yeah so so we allowed people to ask on the para so was paras or parmini we're talking about cash and there was aid there was a very smart But he wasn't keeping cautious. So he raised his hands and he said, "Rabbi Gant, don't you believe that all of our Jewish brethren, I mean the secular Jews, they're all hypocrites?" I asked them, "Herold, h how so? Why?" He says, "Because I know many of them who keep kosher at home and when they go outside in the restaurant, they don't keep kosher. Aren't they hypocrites? So I realized right away where he's going. In other words, this was the excuse why he doesn't keep kosher because he is not a hypocrite. So I reminded myself of this letter of the Reb. I saw maybe it's not exactly the same letter. I saw somebody writes to the Reb that he doesn't want to put on film because he's not a hypocrite and he nothing in his life he does before he understands it. He doesn't understand things, he doesn't do it. So why should he put film put on? He doesn't understand what film is. And the Reb's answer to him in a very nice way, in a very um diplomatic way, but telling him basically the statement you just said that you're not a hypocrite is the biggest hypocritical statement you ever said in your life. Because don't you fly an airplane? Do you understand aerodynamics? Exactly. Can you put together an engine for an airplane? Do you know how the wings work? What are you talking about? You know when you are 13 years old and you start or or 5 years old and your mother gives you oat brand, you understand how the oat brand makes you live. You understand exactly how how the enzymes work and how they change it into energy and something like that. Who knows? Then if you're eating for 18 19 years, you may you might end up in medical school and maybe then you'll think at least you know you understand the digestive system. But first you have to eat for 18 years. So says the now punct when it comes to which is not even in our world it fill is a piece of heaven which is a heavenly connection which has nothing to do with gashm which has to do with billions of miles away and you want to understand it before you put it on for five years you'll put it on for a few years and then you'll get so it could be it's the same letter but I took out the nikuda as everything in life you first do and then you understand it doesn't work the other way around it was then that's the hypocrite when it comes to no no and gashmis don't do so I told this fellow I told this fellow so based on this letter I told him so tell me Harold I hear you so all yeen are hypocrites so what do you rather want they should stop keeping kosher at home or start also keeping kosher in the restaurant he started laughing very hard. He got the point. So then he asked me >> that's a famous the guy says I don't get involved in I don't put on any >> Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So what what what says motor the same story is exactly the same story is B is Bas castles come to clippers clippers but there's actually but there's there certain vet because I don't know maybe teenagers I don't know exactly some people like they go they want to understand everything there's a nice Herbert whiner there's a video of him >> saying that he wrote a book nine and a half mystics and about the rebba he was in the yuds in 770 so he says on a video that he asked the rebba that he sees that the bakim they have a certain naivity to them and the rabbi told him it's not it's they don't this is what he says says they don't have a ka >> they're not torn it'simos it's not it's not it's it's not >> it's not naive it's shalim it's g it's there's noa It's not it's >> yeah. >> So coming back to the story. So so I told this so the fellow asked me um so basically what I told them is in other words a diplomatic way. In other words the reason you're not keeping kosher is because you claim you don't want to be a hypocrite. So let me ask you if anybody cannot win a $20 million uh lottery ticket. He can only win a 10 million. Will he not go for it? Or if somebody cannot get two kidneys donated, will he not go for one? Since when is that hypoc hypocrisy? Start keeping kosher at home. You get a chance, we'll switch. So he says, if that's not hypocrisy, what is? I said doing a little bit and not doing everything is not hypocrisy. So I told him the story, maybe I heard it once from from Yasi Jacobson, whatever. that there was a guy who who had a cleaners opened with a sh of a cleaners fancy upscaled cleaners and a guy brought in a suit which was worth $3,000 and he found in the back pocket a creased a fancy new $100 bill took it out slipped it into his pocket and the found out the found out six months later is what happened. He started screaming at him. You hypocrite. A man brings a fancy suit to you, pays $600 just for the cleaning, and you have the audacity to take a $100 bill and not even split it with me. What a hypocrite. That's hypocrisy. under the name of of religion, under the name of morality, doing criminal things, not keeping kosher under the name of religion, that's hypocrisy. Okay. But um um so coming back to sobba was holding every was about film the mitzvah. What? >> Crazy. I saw a crazy video comes to the no and he says the told me to be film and I checked it and there's nothing wrong says there must be doesn't make sense like I I was involved personally in such a story and um for what I'm talking about. He was sitting on a computer and sitting on a screen and said >> I was I was I was he wrote into the Rebel about something and the Reb told him to be bing film and uh he went to he was B and he wrote back to the Reb that everything is fine. The Reb answered pel. So we opened it ourselves and we found something. Went back to the back said it's true. The reason he gave a reason why I didn't say it. Whatever. >> No, don't say was right too. But the Reb said, you know, that he used to go to the doctor and he would come home and he wouldn't take the medicine. So the if you're at and you're living then why do you go to the doctor? If you rely on then you have to take the medicine. So he said I'm a very I'm very difficult in diagnosing what is this? So I go to the doctor. He diagnoses me. It was the left kidney. Okay, now I know exactly what I need to do medicine. I know what to do. >> Actually, you remind me of another letter. I haven't seen this letter in many, many years. So hopefully someone will correct me if I'm saying it wrong, but I think it says right. You have a headache. >> Yeah. >> So the Reb says but doesn't work. So the sometimes it doesn't work. >> Yeah. So I think the says we don't know which it's not just a spiritual thing. It's because we don't know which it is. See you have to continue learning until you get but that's the same your health is is a direct correlation with with a I know of uh when we opened the kabad house we uh first shabas made a kdish we asked everybody to say a few words so the first person I asked his name was Mr. fellas. I asked him to say a word and he said, "I I don't speak in the limelight. I He's a shy person." So I said, "Okay, next." When everybody finished talking, he said, "I was inspired. I want to say something." And he stood up and he said, "Once upon a Friday, well above do what they do." Meaning with time. So there were two kids uh teenagers who are walking around with that film and they walked up the stairs of the Fifth Avenue Library. Fifth Avenue Library. Now Fifth Avenue, it's a I think it's a block white. It's a it's a landmark in New York. I think it has marble stairs that go the whole block stairs down. So there was a couple coming down, a mother, a father, and a daughter. And the two bakaram were walking up and they spotted that couple and they asked the little girl, "Are you Jewish?" And she answered proudly with a huge smile, "Yes, I am." So they asked her, "Are you lighting shopkins?" She started shrugging shoulders. "Me? My mom." When she doesn't have a business meeting, when we make a shabas meal, she does sometimes. So the told her that requests and asks such a darkness in the world we need light in the world you know and so they gave her a pack of nashik. So this ye continues and he says and that little girl never ever missed a shabas a Friday after the Friday night without lighting shab candles. Never. And he continues, "And now she's a mother of six, lives in the five towns, and she's a the Mikva lady." And then he started crying and choking and couldn't talk further. And he said, "And that little girl is my daughter. It's a beautiful story." And I asked him, "Mr. Palace, this is the story you wanted to hold back from us? >> Is this the story you wanted to hold back?" >> You know, you know what's fascinating? There's a system. printed but it's not printed in any place. It's not there not a there's a millions of stories everywhere. >> There's a from theb about >> Yeah. Yeah. And the it's like a long that the Reb describes that she's going to start lighting a girl and then the mother's going to start and then it's going to the goes on like a 10 minutes or more about how it affects just from the little girls to hear >> but but but but think of it you could look at this as already as as a domino effect as as a gashmistic outcome and then the mother but the Reb could have done it with with sending or we're doing something else also. You know the did it with the takes away. These lights have shin these were and yes this is the that's their another story my son when he was uh learning in Maristan so he used to go to I think it was he went to Newark and some shabosam we would come home and take the train from Newark to suffer. I'd have to run to get him 10 minutes before Shia pick him up whatever. I remember one Shabas was like so late and I had to go to the Kabad house and the Shabas I was there it was uh I begged him maybe there's some Eden on the train. He said Tati there's nobody on the train there. I looked around there's no Eden. So I started driving out and I got a phone call a minute later. Tati I found the eat. you don't have to come. So he said he walked somebody walked off the train took a yamaka from his pocket and put it on. They went over and he asked him can you take me to to my son didn't look like a lab in those days he did he went with the vision capich with a hit not so on the way uh he asked him who are you where do you live says he lives in blueberry hill which is a certain area in my so slowly it's a ride of 10 minutes in the 10-minut ride he told them that I used to go I belong to Nanuet um Jewish center. They got married. A few years went by, didn't have any children, tried everything. He went into his rabbi, which was a conservative rabbi. The rabbi took him into his office and he told him in secrecy, "If you want to be helped, do write a letter to the conservative rabbi." So it was to finish children. So I wrote a letter to the and I got an answer and the answer was if you'll keep will be a child. Simple. So what don't you do for children? He said I bought the the simple simple English translation of the code of Jewish law with no no fancy explanations of today and we started keeping. And sure enough, by next year we had a baby. We had a girl. He says the girl turned three and I wanted to send her to a playgroup to starting public school whatever preschool. My wife says a gift of the lab you can't send to public school. Sorry. So they send her there was a there was a Hebrew school ran by Jeep Mrs. Greenwalt. They had a lot of a lot of fry kids. months had tons and tons of of of gidden in those days. Um, f she had a very successful Hebrew school. So they sent her to that Hebrew school. She came home the first week and she opened the fridge and asked mommy where's the OU over here? Where's the okay? I don't see then they asked them where's the shabas scandals and where is this and that. And slowly but surely you know we had to move to my starting so that he told the story as a innocent story didn't even know there's a labure he told him that story not a by the way I think they say in the name of that uh you know just didn't know how to learn whatever so they say they used to say a lot a lot of the they know I want to see not just the and the were all think the came from That's the that I I have to tell you in the beginning bothered me. I I wasn't used to that that the first half an hour was and and we learn from this you're going out you have what to say let's hear so the says you have to learn from everything else without making to it and unpacking afterwards. >> Yeah. Every little Yeah. So, so, >> so you said there's a continuation to this thesis, >> I guess. Oh yeah. >> Um, by the way, you reminded me of a faban that you did many years ago. >> Which one? >> Way you work. Remember you were talking about the three of the and you spoke about it. Whatever each you spend time on the first one and second one and the third one. >> Okay. >> What I said before in the And the is higher than all the is the person. And even though it could become number nine. So self is of us said means I love I love. So he said maybe he means I don't know maybe his heart burning something if I see him doing a because nothing else. Yeah. goes says that even though without mitzvah go up only through through his boss and nevertheless a chicken that doesn't have the wings of but if any other misses a vital so the self of the mitzvah is the main They speak Spanish actually. Indian. So that Indian so it reminds me of I was learning told you probably heard from me the story many times by I learned I was not ml I didn't know I don't think I know of at that time and he was teaching to the so man sitting next to me and he says alumni used to come to the to come to to shoot him. So he told me okay from now on I'm not coming to the why not he said because he saw in that he says that is in other words I don't think it says that but his understanding was. So, so I told him, so I asked them, tell me, let's call him, let's call him Battle. Let's ask them Battle. Do you think that uh do you think that uh you have a of course not I'm asking you do you think that you're going to have a when you're going to be so he smiles said no you know what I meant 65 so looks around himself and he knows the people around that he lives today who does he know has a vira Yeah. So I told him if you would live in the time of and you'd get and somehow that would put in into you says is first the says that the mitzvah is first. So it's not okay. So you stick with it says but if you're ma that you're not going to have if you're going with that you're totally lost you have nothing but if you're going to learn you learn I don't know if you have but maybe when you be 40 I don't know if you ever have Maybe you'll have one day. So you now everybody has to learn according to your because otherwise you have to bring me the rabbis. We're going to bring back to us. So a few years later down the road quite a few years later I went to the say when you buying make sure to say something because that's what you'll remember. >> When you add a faban you should make sure to say something because you'll remember it. So I a few years later was sitting sitting. So I went uh I went I went to he was sitting alone dark in his room. Nobody was there still. I was lost. And I told him this whole story that I just told you. I'll show you tens of times and look at the where it says that is bigger than the mitzvah. I was like, "Woo!" So if I got potatoes out the window, he says, "No, here comes." He says, "But is the biggest thing in the world and there's nothing bigger than a mitzvah, then a mitzvah is even bigger." But if you think the only thing is the half of the year and the mitzvah is only garnish then the mitzvah is garnished. In other words, let let me explain it. You walk into a suka, you see beautiful, beautiful noise suka and yet blown away. Wow. Zaki vanve a beautiful suk. If your aspilus is only about the no you missed the point simple nice walls with simple ghost. Yeah. Nor was that. So you have to put in should be the nicest house in the world. Let's put beautiful sten in there. Let's put beautiful noise. Let's let's make it beautiful. But if you're and if you walk into which you don't see the gilim, you don't see the noise and you just see a and you make a you missed the point. The is the biggest thing and because of this you say in such a mitzvah you do without such a mitzvah you do it without being how can it be how can you not have is not That's it's that comes from the mitzvah. You know what this mitzvah is brings him to. But if the conclusion is is then what? Yeah. So it's not it's but that should bring you to the biggest of that should lead you to to sobb. And so we see the thousands of initial components of being a whether it's or these days give us an opportunity to connect with our to connect with each other and be better. What is the story behind each of these days? How did the Reb commemorate and celebrate these days? And most importantly, what are the lessons, the takeaways, and the action items needed for each of these days? 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[Music] And that's the I just want to say in beginning that a is is mukb the that comes down in a mitz is that comes down. There's also And that's why it's harder sometimes. I used to have a person in my house who used to tell me, "Rabbi, I love all the dos. The don'ts is the problem. I like to I davin every day. I put on twillin every day. Uh you can't come to shul with the car." That's a stickical problem because I fast. I do the whole day in shu. I do all the dos. But the don't that's very very difficult. That's restrictions. So I told him that's why we eat Khan donuts. Teach you that the do nots are equally important than the do and it maybe even more important. Yeah. You could use a ticket and Um, no. Anti-semitism. Yeah. Yeah. Um Miami choir song. >> What is it? >> It's a Miami boys choir song. >> Song. No, what I'm saying is such a It's like saying I'm saying there's a I had a there's a famous that the rabbi said should be bold and big >> two places and only two places in the >> but it's about for men. >> It's about the summer. >> It's symbolic. Yeah. It's not only for men, for everybody. >> I think I think there's that men are included in also. >> Yeah, of course. That's also >> very talks about the >> Yeah, it's in I think it's if it's by men, you know what I'm saying? It's culture. >> Yeah. So, so but it's it's interesting that uh I just found I was just thinking about it recently how like the Reb wrote about it specifically about men and I had some about it but whatever I don't know if there is so I'll keep it for myself. >> Okay. But I >> No, no. I was I was thinking maybe it's like you know that there's a once that spoke about the said that in this generation is more than in previous generations in the front in the front um the weekday says I'm not going to be in it while we're talking to men. So I'm not going to be in it. >> Exactly. because and the details of is not >> I was thinking maybe that's why in that speaks about men you know like I said the women also >> I was speaking once in K night about it was a whole they made a whole workshops whatever so I told them that the rebba as far as I know is the one who has made the biggest And and people wanted to jump at me. And so they said Where do you take this more than? So I asked them where do you see any that you know any that you know any d that you know that made such a that a pajama of a 2-year-old of a of a two week old shouldn't have a teddy bear on it. Like you said, everything that you see has ash >> has ash and a baby shouldn't see a teddy bear. It's a picture of what? Which has no of any of any ty but it's a dom. So throwing aside was >> and you're right you're right because of the the Indian didn't get to the they don't know about it yet. >> No. And it's like they never they it's not a thing. And it's like what do you mean what do you mean you can't you can't have I'm saying for kids >> what do you mean you mean by in other k and it's still they still don't know about this yet they >> nobody heard of such a thing. Nobody was such a thing was a touch of a built and even by us it was you know when it came out I remember that Abana went crazy phone calls came in my shrier brought me a pajamas I'm not sure is it a wolf or is it it looks like a tiger which one is it had a cat in his pictures >> yeah this is to the extreme that you could think of so you'd ask we ask him to put away a smartphone with them. >> Yeah. >> I was today I had a for my son today. >> Oh, >> so I was reading the the Malamid sent like a little liquid. Maybe I'm not sure who exactly who came from, but I was reading over there pash the whole idea that we go with the talis. >> Exactly. >> We take the kid at the talis. So you have to make sure he doesn't see >> exactly whatever. Yeah. So but the Reb did it in his way on and on of a teddy bear. Yeah. Yeah. that um two weeks ago we learned what it is. punishment and did very similar. If you look go to the happened to stay. Yeah. And nobody does anything that nothing. And now we know tell us today but didn't know there was a man it's the biggest that you could think of only. Yeah. because which means that they were. So he wanted to show that's the right thing and to show that did it too. for the cloud. for and everything. Anybody Yeah. I was I was going to ask you before I was going to ask >> I was going to ask you before you were talking about the the you know of the so it's very clear obviously Um, that's clear. That's that's that's how we do it. >> I'm wondering like what's the difference in your or your attitude or your in the person themselves? How does this say? >> So that's what so that's what I was saying before that those that that we do it for others and even for a fried person just brings out what a mitzvah is but then when I do the mitzvah I should think my should be completely different then that the has even in even a which knows nothing which must get to you and you say no no no I believe I believe 100% that you are Mau so what do you think I you know I remember I heard once from manus freedman he said he said when we go out to fry people to be m of them so the fry person says leave me alone I'm not Jewish you know I I I don't keep it I don't believe in it and you ask wait a second was your mother Jewish was your Bobby Jew so you were as a Jew as as you know he screams But I'm not. And we insist you're as holy as of he says what do we say? Who are you? Oh, who are you? What do you think? Famous famous lines. Who are you? Who are you? So I bring out his so is not only for other people is for I I won't search for that in park. So he said the belt thinks that there were two baltos. There was the one which had the 60 which over there they were they were they were flying in heaven. And then there was another bostov maybe the same goof in the same body but another bos which went around to the masses and spoke stories of the right that how you learn with what does it say he says the limo that Yeah. Yeah. So, that's why we spoke before. of this old and they say the name of the person they send out. >> Yeah. So there's because no that has to bring out by us >> the milavis Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Theb spoke after one of the things that theb says again because you know the compared it to >> but the reb also does it there. Theb says as a in this generation that it's all the way to teaching someone even does that's also part of which is so but it's not because now it's on a lower level because it's on a higher level because because it's a much higher level it could go even that's the explanation for it. >> Yeah. >> So you're saying And then then uh it's going to be uh because we're so connected to to such a therefore it could come down and make it >> it doesn't start from it starts from the I remember it's once but we learned a lot see this already. So I I got I wasn't and I I heard a that's not that's not the but there and I was sitting and he described the of this is that was his cook which is true. He was Dr. Galdik. But I remember I was sitting there and I was think I was thinking is that what a is a so but the head of also the head of is that's how you look at your I remember I was looking at him the cook of and Then move the clock ahead and I became leavich. And I remember I heard once talking about the Reba and he said how the Reba never missed to say a dunk or a bud for opening the door in the car and it wouldn't allow anybody to carry his things. He would he spoke about simple simple would recognize a little kid and I loved it. And then I started to do it. Are you a hypocrite? You made it a criminals. You know, and and I wasn't saying, [Music] but I do. And I sat with for years and I knew how he looks at how he looks at this. I started thinking and thinking and then I thought of a mush. Imagine somebody will tell you that the moral knew. You could take a batim and on that he could tell you whatever you want. Yeah. Whatever. Okay. Yeah. Then you'll tell them not only that desal could sit down with a three-year-old kid and start learning or and teach a little child. Can you imagine if somebody will come to the conclusion if that's the case? I'm like the Yeah, that's all I know. Nothing more. is each and everyone is an of the cloud incch. was mitzvah an unbelievable way of Mrs. Again I don't want to get into deep into the stories but I'll just um she was a assistant principal in a preschool and so she was a very talented principal and I gave them to the students and uh when the story started to come out there was a lot of uh pashkill against us against the menal but one day she woke up in the morning she walked out of the streets and the full streets were full of pashkill against her. Same thing. So, what do you do when you see this? That means they're starting to come at you. It's not it's not it's not pretty. So, she picked up a phone and she called and she got an answer back a few minutes later from Rabadikov, which you know what that means? that since she's a principal, she said she's going to resign because she doesn't want uh so the Reb told her since she's a principal and she knows every kid assistant principal she knows every kid who all the who comes from a divorced home and who's a and a bullet child and so you have before you leave every kid their needs. Can you imagine this was in the thickness of all the fights but parents fight wants to know that kid in Williamsburg should be taken care of. >> Should be taken care of. So those Okay, begins. This was >> so I guess you could I have time. Let's go to I'll just make it very big. How many times did you hear from the reb? >> This is one of the foundations. >> This is the foundation. You have to say it with both. you know, I'm sure you heard it from himself in Martown. He used to um he didn't say the name, but I asked his kids, they told me it happened to he I thought it was happened with himself, but the kids told me it's not true. that came on and he told them that um but they have to agree one thing as whatever was a person with a a lot of patience. He didn't fight back. He didn't punch back ever. So he sat down with him and he learned with him which is no safer talks about like he learned it once, twice. Then he says, It reminds you of the story that the Reb said. The Reb said a story that And they asked him, "What's your Indian?" He said, "My so they said, "Yeah." Yeah. It was Baku and um they went up next to Bora Park and they saw Bakar coming down from yeshiva crying. So they asked him why he's crying. He didn't want to answer slowly. You know kids have a chai to each other. They open up and he told them that he has a first up the length and after he has a ber sitting next to him the next bench and he learns seven blot a week and to him it takes one om seven weeks and he decided it's not for him anymore becom becoming 18-wheeler driver that's a a trailer driver that's it and you know the he said you know what the kid says now it's the last time I'm seeing the yeshiva I'm walking out of all myas and I'm becoming an 18-wheeler driver and I'm crying so what did they started to take his head off then you have to write a letter to the rebro letter to the Reb and the Reb answered him and says one says says the Reb of this sits next to you that learns seven a week. Wow. And then there's another which comes from And that's are you ready to take away and to go become a driver? That's how the letter starts. That's my whole and the he made you in such a way to give him this and you're ready to take it away. So the story goes that he became a big and a dian later on to me that's already an extra as we said before by the was moreis that can you imagine can you imagine like this a a person was hired to be the CEO O of uh JFK uh airport. Can you describe what that takes? I can't. It means every plane should be on time, every company, every pilot, every store. The the the food should be there, kosher food, other types of special diets, and should be everything on time. The gasoline and buyers to buy the cheapest gasoline. It's it's a malook of its own. And for that he gets paid $5 million a year. Can you imagine after the third day he comes in and five pilots called in that are sick and other people are truck broke down and there's no gasoline for this plane and he goes crazy. He's I can't I I need vacation. I'm going crazy. Excuse me, sir. If things would be smooth, they would never hire you. They needed you for this. That's why they're paying you $5 million. That's your a person Why? Why? There's no punct and every person each one is a this is your so the fundraising went very difficulty. So mine today this is my not yesterday. This is today this is my it the way the back cook that's what is if you think of it what is you read it two two weeks ago in the past in the has no why because your thing They're going to have to give you That's why that's not Yeah. So So that's a really that's really the the the the oxygen for all the other things that we spoke. for that's the but that's the and um this podcast we had today. So it was it was a very elevated conversation. So and a few things you said for me personally are also very important for me to hear right now. I'll tell you offline more but um but uh and it's for me I'm sure for all the listeners as well and [Music] all of the other things that you do and Yeah, you said the word many times. So, uh [Music] >> Z isn't [Music]