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Eli Sharabi: The Meaning of Freedom
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He was taken hostage by Hamas on October 7th and lived to tell the story. In this powerful conversation, Rabbi Efrem Goldberg sits down with Eli Sharabi to reflect on captivity, survival, and what it means to rebuild after everything changes. As we approach Pesach, this conversation hits differently. A story of darkness, resilience, and the deeper meaning of freedom... told not as history, but as something still unfolding. Subscribe to @rabbiefremgoldberg for more powerful conversations and insights.
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Good evening, everyone. Thank you for
being here tonight. It's an incredibly
special opportunity.
What an honor, what a privilege.
Ellie, thank you for being here.
It means so much to us, to our
community. Thank you, Magali and
Massoud, thank you, Rabbi Moscowitz, for
putting all of this together.
It's an incredibly special night. It's
an incredibly special way to get ready
and prepare for Pesach together.
Pesach, a holiday that we celebrate from
slavery to freedom,
from darkness to light.
In most of my life, we spoke about
slavery,
certainly Holocaust survivors, what they
went through.
But in our modern times, contemporary
times, in my lifetime, I didn't know
people.
And now that you represent, you are a
symbol for us as somebody who was
held hostage, the name of your book,
somebody who was enslaved against your
will,
and who's found this freedom and you're
using it to bring light,
light to Israel, light to the Jewish
people everywhere, light to decent and
good people everywhere. And that choice
that you've made to do that, it means
the absolute world to us. It's an
inspiration. We are in awe. We admire
and we so deeply, deeply appreciate. So,
first and foremost, if nothing else,
just thank you for being here tonight.
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
Like so many others here, as soon as you
published your book,
I got a copy.
I first opened it as most of my reading
is on Friday night.
And I intended to go to sleep early that
night, but I didn't because I couldn't
put the book down. I couldn't close it.
I read it essentially almost in one in
one time.
Because it was so vivid, so real, so
detailed,
so compelling,
and ultimately so incredibly, incredibly
inspiring.
So, tell us maybe to begin with, what
has been the reaction to your book? The
level of detail that you remember, how
you thought of, and the names you gave
to each terrorist, each person who held
you captive, every detail that you
remembered all that time that you
tracked. You you gave us
a window into what it was like,
something that few others, no others
have the way you have. What's been the
reaction to the book so far?
>> Um
Can you hear me?
Yeah, good.
Good evening.
Um
You know, this book it's not a story,
it's a it's a testimony.
So,
um
for me writing this book was um
just, you know, to [clears throat]
remember all the details and just talk
about it.
And um
And after I've been in UN and made this
my speech there, it was very very
important for me and very impactful um
on loads of people.
Um
in this very hostile place
for um
Israel,
uh it was very important
um
to speak there and have my wife, my
daughter's photo and my brother's Yossi
Achem Yacob Damo. Uh
>> [clears throat]
>> And um
you know,
so for me um
writing this book was
>> [snorts]
>> uh something very natural
and uh very important.
And the reactions about this book was um
overwhelming for me
about loads of how much impact it's made
on loads of Israelis, about Jewish
people around the world um you know, uh
influenced them uh for good.
And it's means a lot for me for me just
to have an influence on one person, it's
amazing.
And um
you know, people with disabilities or
people that didn't read
even one book in their lives said to me
that uh they wrote they read that book.
It's amazing for me.
>> We should send a copy of the book to the
media personalities and podcasters and
the people who don't understand
how right and righteous Israel's war in
Gaza and against Iran in the world is.
Your book should be required reading for
them. They should see it. They should
understand it. What When you were being
held hostage and you were living each
day, of course, fighting and trying to
survive,
were you thinking then already that you
would write a book if, please God, you
got out and these are the things that
you wanted to tell the world?
>> What do you think 50 m underground 491
days? It's just to go back to your
family and hug them again. And
every decent meal um
with your loved ones, and that's what
you want. You don't think about uh
somebody that's going to recognize you
or you're going to read a book to write
a book or something like that.
Uh
it didn't cross my mind.
>> So, let's before the book and before
October 7th,
what do you wish Elisha Rabi, of course,
was a person and had a family? Today,
you're you're I don't want to use the
word celebrity. You're well known for
your heroism. You're well known
for your survival. You're well known,
unfortunately, for your loss.
But before that, what do you wish people
knew about your life before October 7th?
What can you tell us about your family
that is so important for you for us to
know and to remember?
>> So, I arrived to Barry to this amazing,
supportive, and caring community on H16.
And
after the army, I knew um
I knew my wife, Lianne, that arrived
from England to be a volunteer only for
3 months.
And we fell in love and she stayed.
And um
we both worked in the kibbutz
um
and building our life, got married
and raised amazing two daughters, Noya
and Yahel.
Um
Leanne was very
proud British woman that loves her um
loves her music. She liked to sing. She
loved to read. Um she always, you know,
um
was upset with me about not, you know,
for me not reading enough.
And eventually, in the end, I wrote the
book.
So, [snorts] it's very ironically.
And uh I hope she's she's proud of me.
And uh
and [clears throat] Noya
was all heart.
And uh
she loved her her friends.
Loved the activities in the kibbutz.
Uh but specially loved to help others.
Um she went
only for 20 hours from school to
volunteer with the kids with special
needs, but she stayed for 3 years.
And she loved every minute of that.
And Yahel Yahel was very challenging,
very hyperactive
um girl.
She used to play soccer. She used to
play She used to uh jump from airplanes.
And um did a scuba diving course.
And we actually planned our trip
together to Thailand
um
to do the the scuba diving together.
Um
And that was my family and they had a
great um childhood like we dreamt for
them.
And we had a really peaceful uh family
life uh
in our piece of heaven in Be'eri
until this heaven turned to hell.
>> So, tell us about that. I I asked Ellie
what I could ask not ask, and he said
ask about anything. If he doesn't want
to answer, he'll just But he invited and
asked that we ask about anything. So,
the day that everything changed forever,
the moment it all changed forever.
>> So, it was
morning of October 7th, started in
12:30. We jumped from our bed.
It was alarm in Be'eri.
We picked up our girls from their room
to the safe room with our dog. And we
were sure it's going to be for 5
minutes, but the alarms didn't stop
until we got there this announcement
from the emergency team of the kibbutz
that asked from us to stay in the safe
room because it's a possibility that
Hamas terrorists infiltrated Be'eri.
It was very strange for us.
It didn't happen before.
And
of course, we stayed.
And
I
think after an hour, we start to see
these videos from the road and the
and the Nova festival of young
people running for their lives.
And we start to understand that the
situation is not really in control.
The emergency team all the time update
us that the army on its way.
And we waited for them.
And
around 9:00, more than 2 and 1/2 hours
in the safe room.
Um
Kids start to write in the WhatsApp
group of the kibbutz.
Somebody shot mom. Somebody shot dad.
Our house is burning.
And
And of course, we know these kids, and
it was very very difficult to read that.
We know their parents, some of them were
friends.
And um
think
slowly and we start to understand this
message is coming very uh close to our
neighborhood in the kibbutz.
Um
that was the moment I approached Lianne
and we whispered to each other that um
it's the best way that not to resist if
they're coming to our house.
And that's the best way to protect Noya
and Yahel.
We assume that I'll be kidnapped
but their British passports will protect
them. We believed in that and that was
was our plan.
And around 11:00, more than 4 hours in
the safe room,
um
10 terrorists invaded our to our house,
start to break things,
opened the safe room door very easily.
And our dog barked and probably stressed
them and they start to shoot in the safe
room.
Lianne jumped on Noya, I jumped on
Yahel.
We covered them with our body.
And I shout them to stop in Arabic.
And they stopped and they ordered us to
give them their our cell phones. We did
it, of course, and Lianne immediately
said to them about their British
passport and they understood.
And it wasn't any panic in the house,
just loads of fear
that I could see in
Noya and Yahel's
eyes.
Four terrorists took them to the kitchen
area and two of them grabbed me in my
hands
and the rest waited that Lianne will get
dressed because we were jumping from our
bed and she wasn't dressed.
And
after three or four minutes
um I understood the leadership of this
terrorist um uh
this leader that uh
told them
the terrorists that told me to take me
out of the house.
I understood that was the moment that uh
they are going to kidnap me.
And I just uh
succeeded to turn my head back to the
kitchen area and just uh
promised Noya and the girls shout them
that I'll be back.
And that was the last time I've seen
Noya and the girls and Lianne.
Unfortunately,
5 minutes later they uh
they've been murdered in our house.
And uh
>> [clears throat]
>> And I was uh
I was driving outside from the house.
The first thing I've seen it's uh our
friends
Yonatan and Doron's house uh burning.
Um
Apparently, they've been murdered 5
minutes before and I kidnapped and their
kids been uh
kidnapped as well.
And they start to uh
take me towards the fence, 200 m from my
house.
And I've seen in that time something
like 100 150 terrorists coming in and
out from every house.
Celebrating, filming themselves,
laughing.
Some of them tried to hit me on the way
to the car.
And eventually I arrived to the car.
They pushed me in the back of the car
and put a blanket on me.
And immediately I did two things.
First of all
I searched my Israel. I don't know why.
But I said that for 491 days every day.
And the second thing that uh
I was in my surviving mode so I wanted
some control of the situation. So, I
started to count the minutes of driving
because I want to understand if they
take me far away from Barry.
And it was um
not more than 25-30 minutes driving,
very slow drive.
Um until the first stop.
And that stop um
some of civilians and their kids, some
children trying to lynch me.
Um
Fortunately, um the guys that hold me
succeed to take me into the mosque and
dressed me and start to interrogate me.
Um
and they were very surprised I know
Arabic and I answered them fluently to
their questions.
Um
>> How do you know where where's the Arabic
from?
>> It's a good story and
I studied in high school, I studied in
university later
a bit Arabic, but um
a year two years before that I used to
help Noya, my oldest uh
daughter with her homework. She studied
Arabic as well.
And
for our study we start to watch Fauda
without subtitles
just to make better Arabic.
But we didn't speak between us Arabic or
something like that, but
Um on October 7th it just came to
>> jointly.
>> Mhm.
>> And um
it was a big advantage in um
in all captivity time.
Um but they were sure in the beginning
that I'm from the Mossad or Shabak, they
said to me. So, they interrogate me more
and more about that because of my
Arabic.
Um
and um they didn't believe my age.
Um that I said to them I'm 51 years old
and they were showing I'm much younger.
And
at the end of that day after we change
another three or four stops, changing
teams and cars, they tried to confuse
to confuse the I the IDF. They were sure
that the IDF
um tracking them from the from the air.
Um we arrived to a Palestinian family
house.
And I stayed there for 52 days.
>> Mhm.
Uh one of the things that really struck
me in the book
and it really made me think, it really
gave me pause.
You mentioned it just now. You describe
in the book that when you were first
taken into captivity
the very people, the terrorists, the
evil, wicked people who were holding you
all of a sudden became the people who
were protecting you.
>> Yes.
>> And you write in the book that several
times when you moved locations
each time you were exposed to the
civilians, they would have lynched you
and killed you. And the Hamas evil
Yemach Shemam terrorists
were the ones who took you in those
moments transformed to become the people
protecting you.
And I read that, it really struck me. It
for you the emotional shift and change
and how you related to those people who
took your life from you, but then also
were helping protect your life. Could
you elaborate or speak a little bit more
about what that was like?
>> Um
it didn't surprise me because I
understood from the first moment I'm a
big asset for them.
Uh all the hostages were a big asset for
them, so they need to protect us.
Uh they keep us alive. This is the order
they got. If you know, they try to get
their prisoners back and these
exchanges. Um
so we were very important for them.
And that was our basic um you know,
assumption about all this situation. And
this is the way we tried to convince
them to give us food, to keep us alive.
Um
you know, in very very difficult moment
of starvation,
we kept saying to ourselves that we are
going to die in a few, you know, weeks
if we continue like that.
And that's the most fear for them,
especially when we were we are above
ground, that the civilians
will, you know, identify that we are not
local and we are Israelis
and they will come to lynch us.
And that were to us the the most fear of
the of Hamas.
>> Were you surprised living in Be'eri
hoping and wishing that the people on
the other side of that fence wanted
peace with you, did it surprise you to
see the so-called innocent civilian
population acting that way?
>> You know,
October 7th was a very brutal and cruel
wake-up call for all the kibbutzim in
the
>> [clears throat]
>> all the envelope communities around
Gaza.
So,
because we really really believe that we
need
peace with
with our neighbors. We've done very
active things for that. We donate money
and food and clothes for them. We used
to take
some kids from the border to Israeli
hospitals. We've done many things all
the kibbutzim in this area.
So,
for me to understand and what I've seen
in Gaza
in all that time,
it was very sad. It wasn't shocking, but
it was very sad.
I've met kids really brainwashed and
doesn't know anything about Israeli
state or Israelis.
And just, you know,
saying things that they heard in school
or in in the mosques.
>> So, we said we're not going to about
politics and we're not.
But do you, because of your experience,
feel any
responsibility or or
motivation
to actually get involved in the world
understanding who's on the other side of
that fence? And so much of the world who
are ignorant and to say innocent
civilians in a population and rights and
Israel's the oppressor
as a first-hand witness
to what you lost and who they took from
you, but also what you experienced and
saw. Again, that's what struck me when I
read how you described that Hamas were
defending you from the innocent
civilians. Do you or any of the other
hostages that you've spoken to feel as a
group that there's an opening or
opportunity or even obligation to share
that with the world?
>> Yes, it was uh you know, after my
release I started
to advocating for the rest of the
hostages, of course.
But um you know, talking to the media,
uh the world media.
Um
automatically you speak about your
experience and um
I spoke a lot about um
the civilians that just tried to
uh kill me.
And um
and Hamas terrorists become our
protectors.
Um
So some of them try you know, it's hard
for them to um believe that.
Um
But as I said in before in the the in
the first question about the UN and
about the book
and how much it was important this um
this speech
is
they can say lots of things there.
No one of them tried to argue with me
about my facts and about my experience.
And because of that they cannot argue
with me. I'm not a diplomat.
I just came there to be a survivor and
um talk about what I had.
And they they couldn't argue with me
about that. So, because of that it was
very important.
>> Thank you. Thank you for speaking up and
having the courage and the focus after
everything you've been through for doing
that.
Um in the book you also, as I mentioned,
you talk about knowing the names or or
giving a name a nickname to each of the
people who kept you. Some of the
conversation, having the Arabic um
and and a relationship.
Could you give us a glimpse of what what
that's like? The very people who are
evil, what they're doing to you, but
there are moments of maybe humanity or
connection. Again, the Hamas people who
protected you from civilians. The person
who gave you a little bit more food
because you asked because you were
hungry.
Did it ever become you had to reset
yourself and remember who they are so
you don't feel like
they're human beings?
Um
you have to be very very careful not to
confuse.
Uh it's very easy to get confused
because um you're living with them 24/7.
Um
so
we tried to remember to remind each
other
that uh they're still terrorists and if
they get the order to kill us, they will
do it in 1 second
with no hesitation.
Um
but you live with them 24/7.
Sometimes next to each other. Um
and um
you have to have a a kind of
relationship with them if you want to
survive.
If you want to have the ability to ask
from them food, to beg for food, um and
for other things, for blanket or for
pillow or toothpaste and all soap or
things like that
that is very basic, but it will help you
to survive um you know, with a
reasonable way.
Um
and of course, when you live with
someone 24/7, you have conversation as
well.
And um
eventually you see that
it's still human being.
Very twisted sometimes with all this
brainwash they have in about Jihad
Islamic
opinion.
And
I remember that we had many
conversations about their life, about
the cousin's life, about their families,
about Israel, about
other things as well, about films. They
they
>> They didn't have orders that they
couldn't talk to you and shouldn't talk
to you. They were in danger.
>> Sometimes sometimes they it was it was
depend how much the bad that the
situation is very bad outside or not. If
it was negotiation time and they were
much more easy with us. If it was just
um
war and
I remember that every morning one of
them used to get the phones and they
were counting how many shahids they
have, how many killed from them. Every
morning they got this um
this information from someone.
Um so it's depend on
what mood they we got them.
But in
in many many conversation I had with
them, it always was ended with two
things.
First of all, they will come back.
It doesn't really matter if we were
released or not. They will come back in
'26, '27, '28. They promised that.
And they will kill all the Israelis
again.
And the second thing after that, they
will come to UK, to US, France, Germany
because all the world should be Muslims.
Islam is the only religion religion in
the world.
>> Mhm.
That's how they ended every
conversation.
>> Every conversation. It doesn't really
matter what I talked to them. I could
talk with them about the kids, about the
film they watched um 5 years ago. It
doesn't really matter. All the time it's
finished like that.
Uh that was very sad.
>> Mhm.
>> Also in the book,
it seems somewhat clear you were the
adult among the hostages, had a little
bit more of a perspective and a little
bit more of a strategy.
When to speak, when not to speak, what
to ask for, when to let it go.
Is there something in your life and your
background, are there people that you
think prepared you
for how you went through this experience
in the way that you did?
>> At the end of the day, it's situation
that you need to manage. And I had
behind me 20 years of managing in very
brain, in other
places I worked. And it's almost unfair
to expect from
people that 24, 25 years old
to have this experience. So, I I used
with what I had and
you know, to give to this group
that we can survive together.
And
and that was it was a process to get
this, you know, um um the place that
people can listen to you and count on
you and trust you and um it's not easy.
Um so, we tried to do the best. It was a
process, like I said, it wasn't
very smooth in the beginning.
Um but we I'm very happy that we
survived together. All four of us most
of the time. Uh unfortunately, three
guys um
three Israeli hostages that were with us
only three days in the beginning
from November 27, I think November 29,
2023. Um
Hersh Goldberg-Polin,
Ori Danino, and Almog Sarusi were been
with us and they moved to other tunnels
and they've been murdered 10 months
later.
>> How did you track time while you were
being held particularly underground? You
talked about counting the minutes when
you were first taken.
How did you track time?
>> Um, I used to be a CFO
in my past. I love numbers. I am you
know it's
it's
numbers is something that give you
control.
Um, so for me counting days
it was easy job.
Um, I used to wake up every morning and
say I'm 154 days in captivity and the
date is like that and that. It was very
important for me. We we even knew the
the time at the day
um, because they have five prayers a day
and we asked them loads of questions
about these prayers and they were sure
that we are interested in Islam but we
just wanted information
and they gave it to us.
And
the only mistake they've done with us
they told us about um
in February 2024 it was 29 days not 28.
And so we didn't mistake about that as
well.
>> Do you know the fate of the people who
kept you? Do Does Israel
let the hostages know what happened to
the people
who were holding them captive whether
they were eliminated?
>> Um
the people that hold me
um
most of the hostages were in central of
Gaza.
So um
the Israeli the Israeli army didn't
try not to attack in these places. They
were very very careful about us.
Um, so until the last minute the last
agreement
people still been there.
So the people that hold me
I know they're still alive.
Otherwise I would get
some
information about that but the one that
hold me in in the stage that you all
seen the the day of my release
one of them was killed yeah.
Should get the rest of them please God
we should hear that they were eliminated
too.
You survived remarkably an extraordinary
amount of time
with your hope your optimism your light
your faith
there must have been dark moments was
there a particularly dark moment that
you almost couldn't pull yourself back
from?
It was moments like that but not from
you know I didn't let myself to
be in that state there for more than
some moments.
>> [clears throat]
>> We suffered from humiliations on daily
basis.
It's
it's not very easy not to answer
you know for these humiliations
but you let yourself to understand that
it's you have to have zero ego
to survive.
We were chained 24/7 in our legs with
iron chain with locks.
I
I was chained for 485 days only a week
before my release they took it off.
They used to search on us and addressed
us every week every two weeks and
searched on our body if we made
something to attack them.
They used violence against us from time
to time. One time was
um
they broke [clears throat] my ribs
and again it was very
difficult moment. I couldn't breathe
properly for two or three months.
My friends needed to help me to go to
the toilet in the beginning
but nothing compared to the starvation
Um, that was
since we arrived most of the time we
when we arrived to the the tunnels
we ate only two meals a day.
Meals it's not a meal that you like you
think. It's a bowl of rice or bowl of
pasta
or a one and a half pita bread a day.
So, but in the beginning it was two of
them.
But in the last six, seven months it was
only one meal a day. They reduced the
meals.
Uh, in the meantime they ate five meals
a day.
Um, dozens of boxes from humanitarian
aid arrived to the tunnels every week,
every two weeks. We've seen the signs on
the on the boxes.
So, it was very difficult um, to see
them eating five meals a day and you eat
one meal a day. It's not very easy.
Um,
so um,
to stay optimistic in that moment
uh, it's not very easy.
But hope is something that um, you work
on and optimism it's like a muscle.
Um, so specially it was very necessary
to keep on that and working on this
optimism.
It was in the last six months in the
starvation.
So, I started to force them the other
hostages to say at least one thing
good thing that happened to them in the
same day.
And um, and they look at me in the
beginning like I lost it.
But
again,
I reinforced them and um,
try to convince them it will be good for
them.
>> What were some of the things they said?
What what In that situation what's
something someone could find in that
>> all connected to a basic things about
Usually it was about food if you got
more or not. Or if we got you know, if
we if was a salt in the food or not in
oil or not.
Or um,
or we got a tea or tea with the sugar,
it was a very good day.
Um
if we if some of them
um
some of the captors that were very cruel
to us left the the tunnel for 2 or 3
days, it was amazing days for us. So,
things like that.
And after 2 or 3 weeks, each one of the
hostages
um
said at least three or four um
good things that happened to him in the
same day.
And every day we just we finish with
that at that at night. It gave you a lot
of strength to wake up the the the next
morning and um to hope that it will be a
better day.
>> I I hate to be the rabbi in this moment,
but I hope everybody's listening,
including me, that you don't have to be
a hostage to appreciate the little
things. The sugar in the tea, to be
grateful for the little things that
happen every day, and that if that gave
you the will to survive and the hope and
the optimism, then everyone going
through a hard time just every day
having a little gratitude, finding
something can bring you back from the
darkness. What a powerful powerful
message and image.
Take us in the other direction. What
were the some of the things, the small
things, optimism and hope and gratitude?
But what what do you credit with
surviving 491 underground, held,
chained? What do you think were the the
elements or components that helped you
survive?
It was very two strong things um one of
them is very natural, of course.
Um
We talked about it.
Who survive we was we surviving for?
And immediately everybody said about
their families. So, it's something that
you would
want um very strong um
to come back to
to your loved ones. And um
but the second thing that helped us
uh a lot.
It's
faith
facing God.
Um as I said about the Shema Yisrael
every day.
Um
and um
50 m underground
when we had this routine at the every
day after the first ceasefire finished
um
it was we started the day with Birkat
Hashachar.
Um
and we all all four of us not religious
but we all waited for Friday night to
have to have Kiddush.
And
I started with Eshet Chayil to my
mother, to my sisters, to my wife.
And
and we did Kiddush on water cuz we
didn't have wine of course and we used
to keep a quarter of pita bread from a
day before and we can we can say Hamotzi
Lechem.
And all these blessings
all these 15-20 minutes that we're
talking about that it was very emotional
for us. We could imagine our family
gathering around the table
on Friday night praying for us
thinking about us.
Um it was very very good. It was very
emotional but very good.
>> I don't know how you could describe
yourself that you weren't religious
by reciting Birkat Hashachar, Shema,
Kiddush, saving bread for Hamotzi, Eshet
Chayil.
In the darkest darkest place you had the
most most faith. That's that sounds very
religious to me.
A different definition of religious.
>> Probably.
>> So can we talk about this for a moment?
There are people who go through much
much much less circumstance and they say
why God and where are you and how could
you and I don't see you and I want
nothing to do with you.
And you didn't only do that when you
were surviving which maybe someone would
say well he needed to They needed to in
order to survive."
But even after you came out to discover
who you lost and what you lost,
you're still talking about God and
faith.
And you're still holding on to him even
after the reality of everything you
lost. Could you speak to us a little bit
about that? How do you have faith after
everything?
>> Um
>> [snorts]
>> for me
um
not every hostage
60 people came back.
So, for me um
to be still alive
it's a miracle.
And to get my freedom back
it's it's priceless and amazing.
And I appreciate that.
And
in 491 days in captivity
houses, buildings around me
uh were bombed by the Israeli uh air
force.
And it didn't touch me.
Um
many, many times our captors were very
close to kill us
uh with their weapons.
And
still I was alive.
So, I really feel that all my prayers
um
all my prayers was like somebody um
protect me.
Uh so, I had hashgacha pratit.
And
and I'm you know, I was released and I
heard about my grief and my loss and
um
it was very, very difficult, of course.
But um to have supportive
[clears throat]
family
that fought for me for 500 days
and to have amazing friends
um
so, all these things not coming, you
know, without faith and something.
Um
And when you hear about all the Israelis
and Jewish around the world
that
you know, didn't know me
before October 7th,
but still
I was um
you know, in the poster around the
tables in holidays.
Um
And they prayed for me. And they light
the candles around the world for me and
for the other hostages.
It's amazing.
And um
when I hear my brother
Shaul that fought for me, that is here
tonight, fought for me um for 500 days
all around the world.
Um
He went um
to New York on February 9th
to the oil
the rabbi
>> [clears throat]
>> and prayed for me and for my brother
Yossi
um to be released.
And someone just approached him after I
saw him
and said to him,
"I don't know what you pray for,
but I saw that you pray very strongly
and
um
and I'm quite sure it will be um
your wish will fulfill in in 1 year."
>> Wow.
>> And that was February 9th, 2024.
And I was released on February 8th,
2025.
>> Wow.
>> So
so for me, I felt it all the time. My
prayers [clears throat]
and Am Yisrael and the Jewish world
praying for me and my brother.
So it's for me, it's connected all.
>> Mhm.
What in your life or your background
were the role models who planted that
faith in you that you drew from? Be'eri
is not most religious kibbutz. We went
our our community went on several trips.
I was in Be'eri
6 weeks later, it wasn't even cleaned up
yet. And on another trip we actually
went to the Beit Knesset in Be'eri,
which was still set up from Simchat
Torah, and we sang and we danced
Hosha'ana Rabbah to finish the hakafot
that you and the others couldn't. But
Be'eri wasn't known as a very religious
kibbutz. So where where did that faith
that you drew from, where did it come
from?
>> I born and raised in traditional family
Tel Aviv.
Uh my mom from Morocco, my father's from
Yemen.
Uh for us going to a
synagogue on Fridays and
of course Jewish holidays and kiddush
every Friday
was always there.
So [clears throat] I knew all by heart.
Um
in Be'eri I did kiddush to my family on
Fridays. It was something for me like
not religious but family together
Shabbat.
And
my brother Yossi um
zichrono livracha
used to be one of the head of the
synagogues in Be'eri.
So for us
you know
it's not religious but to be traditional
and to know the blessings and all this
was something that
we're familiar. Yeah.
>> Being Sephardi Moroccan is helpful
there.
>> I don't know.
>> Very traditional, very faith, very even
>> Ashkenazi is good as well.
>> Ashkenazi were [laughter]
>> You know.
>> Not as good as Sephardi. We're work
we're working on it. We're working on
it.
But the Moroccan Moroccan's especially.
Tell us something that you you want
everyone to know about Yossi.
How should he be remembered?
>> Wow.
He did all good. Anyone that need help
in anything, Yossi was there first.
Um
He loved life.
Um he was very serious at work all the
time.
Um
And uh he loved the sea. He used to
surf.
Um
especially um on the weekends, and he
loved every minute of that.
Um he loved his family, his daughters.
He was an amazing father, always there
for them.
Um
we miss him a lot, a lot. He was um
very important part of our family.
Um
we always remember him, for sure.
>> Thank you. Thank you for sharing that.
And now we will too.
The orange phantom moment you described.
Maybe you can tell that a little bit in
in more word, the courage come from.
For that moment.
>> Stupidity had a noise of his courage.
Um
we just
after um
39 days in the first tunnel, it was um
January 5th, uh 2024,
Friday morning,
um
the Israeli Air Force bombed um
the mosque that we got in from um to the
tunnel from,
and um
the terrorists were really afraid that
uh the army on his way to the inside the
tunnel.
So, they got the decision to leave this
tunnel and to move to other one.
And um
it was um a few hours of um
preparing ourselves,
and we left the first tunnel, moved to
the other tunnel. It took us something
like between half an hour to an hour,
um
to find other place that we can climb uh
up
and go to outside, and start to climb on
on buildings that was on the on the
road.
Um
And finally, we arrived to a
the second tunnel.
And before they understood what
happened, it took them an hour just to
understand what happened in the other
tunnel
and to organize things for us and all
this. And we've seen this Fanta
bottle
in the corner. We hoped that they they
didn't pay attention and we were very
very thirsty. We didn't have much, you
know, sugar in uh
you know, in the food or
or things that we really really miss
them.
So, we got a decision to drink it
and we put the empty bottle in the
in the other corner.
Unfortunately, someone of them
that called in the in the book the
circle one,
he he noticed that and he looked for
that.
And he started to accuse us that we
drank that. And of course, we said we
didn't see that and we drank just water.
We don't know what he's talking about.
It was amazing moment to drink that.
And felt really like heaven to drink
something sweet and feel human again.
Um
>> And the fine.
>> But again, it was very very stupid thing
to do. I not recommend that. Really.
Um it could finish much worse.
>> Yeah.
>> Someone pointed out that um the book
doesn't use the word Holocaust once. And
even though there are a lot of
comparisons one could make, your
experience and how you were tortured and
what you lost,
was that intentional?
>> Of course.
I've been in March of Living as well
with uh
the Israeli president
Hertzog.
Um
And I was asked in Auschwitz,
you know, about all this kind people
start to compare between us and the
Holocaust survivor.
Uh
I suggest them to be very very careful
with this uh
with this comparison you know,
comparison and I know there's
some things that it look like similar
and it's right.
But
in 1940s
in Germany, in Poland and in all these
places that Holocaust happened
the Jewish
um
people didn't have
a state and army
uh that protect them and houses.
Um so I
and you know it was many for many many
years they've been in concentration
camps and all this so
I'm
I suggest
that nobody will do this to compare
between us.
Um
I think we need have to have a lot of
respect of um the Holocaust survivor.
Um we are not the same.
>> When you look back at the book, are
there things that you regret you didn't
include?
>> Uh
if I didn't include some details it's
because uh
to respect the other hostages.
Um I don't think it was to some um
some something very very different uh
um about the book about um this
testimony.
Um
so I tried to include most of it.
>> You confronted you faced evil straight
on.
How does that change the way you see
evil? Are people born that way? Is it
nature? Is it nurture? Are they
redeemable? Can we bring them back if we
change in education and a curriculum?
When you look right now as we're sitting
here missiles are coming down on our
brothers and sisters in Israel. Many of
us most of us almost all of us have
family there. These are evil people
shooting at civilian populations using
missiles that are against international
law evil. How does how did it change the
way you think about or view evil?
>> I understand that to look at that like
you know pure evil and all this but for
me
um
I don't believe people born like that.
um
Some people with evil interests uh
influence these people.
um
and brain you know doing all this
brainwash
uh to them
and using them for their own interests.
And it's
um really really bad.
um Unfortunately
our enemies uh
you know
trying
uh you know hate the Jews and um
trying to vanish us and all this but
so they're using their people to do that
to us.
Yes, I'm confronted with the really
really cool people.
But they could be other people if they
would born in other place in other
religion maybe um that's what I believe.
>> So does that inform what we should do?
Policies is it about changing education
and leadership or are people hopeless?
They're not hopeless. If we can change
>> Definitely.
Um
I want to believe that one day one day
in the future
it will take many years unfortunately.
Um
If you can live in peace with our
neighbors
um
it was like that
long long time ago.
um
Definitely
the organization cannot control people
um if we want peace with them and uh
second thing to re-educate all the young
people will take at least a generation
or two.
>> The young people in Gaza
also the young people, some of them, too
many of them in America.
And you when you when you see or you
came out to see and you've seen
on college campuses and elsewhere
people who should know better siding
with Hamas calling for free Palestine or
from the river to the sea.
How do you as somebody who confronted
that evil and survived it, how do you
feel about the future
of young people in America, Europe, and
other countries that you see them so
badly misunderstanding and siding with
the wrong people?
>> If you go to these marches that uh the
pro-Palestinian that call this free
Palestine and all this
if you go to 90% of them and ask them
where is Israel and where is Gaza, they
don't know.
They are most influenced about from the
social media with loads of fake um
facts.
And um
so
except of you know
to try to explain
um
and you know
to say our things and try to to um to
fight with all this social media fake
um you cannot do anything else.
Uh unfortunately
um
Israel losing these battles
time after time.
Um we have to do better um you know
advocacy and explaining explaining that
and talking with these guys.
Um I know the situation in campuses are
very very bad.
But we have to do it.
>> It's a lot of work to do and you're
doing it. Thank you.
You spoke about
what helped you survive was faith and
family and the hope that you were going
to be reunited with them.
And that wasn't obviously the case, and
I'm not going to ask you
when you found out and what that was
like. I I want to respect you and not
ask you.
Um but the healing from that Here you've
you've spoken in many, many places, and
[clears throat] almost right away you
spoke online, on podcasts, and
interviews, and many people
they would have trouble getting out of
bed in the morning after lost and what
you went through. And here you are, and
we're so grateful for it because you're
I know inspiring every single person in
this room, and you've inspired people
across the world.
Where does that healing come from? What
are some of the elements of healing
that other people can learn from as
well?
>> After a week in
of my release,
I was in the hospital still in the
hospital in Sheba Hospital.
I asked for my my therapist
to go to the graveyard.
Um
I needed the closure.
I knew I needed if I want to
rebuild my life
and
continue with my life and wake up every
morning with uh
you know
with with hope and
believe that I can I can do it.
Um so first of all, I went to apologize
for the annoyance I had that I didn't
protect them well.
And second
>> [clears throat]
>> I promised them that I will not let
anyone to forget them anymore.
Until my last day.
And
third
I promised them that I will do loads of
things that they will be proud of me.
Um so
from there I could move on
and rebuild my life.
Um
They are with me.
Leah, Noa, and Yoel, and Yossi, my
brother, with me in every moment in my
life.
Um
So, but
I promised myself they will be alongside
of my life, not instead of them.
So, um
for me uh to stay in bed and cry all day
it's not something that I can do. It's
not me, first of all, and I don't think
it's fair for
my family and my friends that fought for
me for 500 days.
Uh so, I don't this don't have this
privilege.
And I really love life.
And
I really want to do things
uh that will help others.
And um
that's what I'm doing.
>> You're doing an amazing way. You're such
an inspiration, pal.
>> [applause]
>> You came out
to learn who you would not be reunited
with,
but you also were reunited with family.
What was that experience like?
>> Amazing. Amazing to
hug my mom
and
my sister in Ram Camp. My oldest sister
was not.
And then
um
to meet
Eli and Sharon.
Um
in the hospital. And after that um
my brothers and sisters-in-laws and my
nephews and my nieces.
Um
It was amazing. It was amazing. They
support me.
Um
They give me lots of strength.
Um
so
for me again, I'm I'm having
amazing moments with them. I'm really
having a life
again.
Um
and I'm quite sure because of their
support
I will
um rebuild my life.
>> Mhm. When did you first feel free?
Did it take a little while to really
know that you were free?
>> [sighs]
>> I felt free I think the first moment I
opened the fridge and I could choose
what what to eat.
And
the first coffee I made myself and
all these basic things that um
I couldn't do that for 16 months.
>> Mhm.
Do you have a message for us going into
Pesach about slavery and freedom
>> [sighs]
>> and what that means?
>> First of all, freedom is pri- priceless.
Appreciate every moment um
that you can do
everything you want without asking
permission from anyone.
Appreciate every moment with your family
and friends.
I will always say
that 15 m underground you never miss
um
material things. You don't miss your
car, you don't miss your house, you
don't care if it's big or small house.
You don't care if you have
$10,000 or million dollar in your bank.
You just want another 5 minutes with
your family and friends.
So hug them in every moment you can do
um
that's what I can say to you.
>> And then what does the future hold for
you?
What do you think?
>> To come back to be anonymous.
>> Mhm.
>> One day.
>> One day. Will happen.
>> Yeah.
>> You have to believe that.
>> Well, we're not helping you tonight, but
we do
we do hope it happens for you.
Um I can't thank you enough, but I I
can't close without asking one more
question with tremendous gratitude to
Migal and myself to incredible work we
saw um the video and and we We the
impact that it's having.
Could you talk to us about what it means
to you?
The the parallels of being a lost
at-risk youth
and being lost, not knowing who you are
or where you are. Why is it important to
you that tonight you're here with
Magaluf?
>> Magaluf represent um
exactly that moment that um
these kids um
that need them the most
in very, very dark moments and that look
like everything is
um is lost.
And
that's, you know, sometimes I could feel
that in in captivity.
But um
as I said all the times in all these
dark moments, you just need to look for
some light.
And sometimes it's outside, but I think
most of the time all this light inside
you.
And
and you have to remember that to see the
light
it's something you choose.
Um exactly like Dor just we saw this um
this video of Dor
and he choose
differently from his from his friends.
And in that choice, he changed his life.
So
everything in life we can choose.
It's always in our hands.
>> Eli, I can't thank you enough.
You're such an inspiration to all of us.
Thank you very much. [applause] Ladies
and gentlemen, Eli Chouraqui. Thank you.