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It did take some time for me to adjust
on an emotional and a personal level
because I had spent years identifying
myself as Vintage Filings. Everybody in
the industry knew us as Vintage Filings.
Once we gave it away, so to say, I was
like, "Who am I?" And what am I going to
do? Like 7:00 a.m. I was there doing the
banner and the skirt and putting out the
mints, and I said to myself, like, "What
the heck am I doing?" Like, I literally
just had a multi-million dollar exit
last night. Year, year a half, you're
like, "Oh my god, I can't do this again
for 7 years." That's that's an eternity.
Finding new people and then at some
point it dawns on me like a second I've
been in business for 20 plus years. I've
got 10,000 connections and emails and
former clients. I'm like, how am I
getting in front of them? How am I
staying top of my presence organically?
If I had my choice being at a
conference, I'd be the Schmenrich in the
corner. With LinkedIn, I find that if I
can post something valuable, all these
CEOs that we work with, private
companies, public companies, law firms,
accounting firms, they say like, "How do
we get the story out there? Which IR
firms do you recommend? Which PR firm?"
Welcome to the Let's Talk Business
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Coming to you from the PEX headquarters
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podcast for nononsense advice to help
you learn, grow, and lead. Today, I'm so
excited to welcome our guest, Seth
Farman. Set has been behind the scenes
of hundreds of public companies, built
and sold multiple businesses and knows
what it really takes to grow something
that lasts. This isn't just about exits.
It's about mindset, execution, and
assets now using his experience to help
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through social media, especially on
LinkedIn. Now, if you are someone that's
building a business, not just for today,
but for the long haul, this one is for
you. So, without further ado, let's jump
right into a conversation with Seth
Harmon. Seth, thank you so much for
joining me on the Let's Talk Business
Podcast. Thank you for having me. Great
to see you again. Sure. The last time I
think we saw each other in person might
be at one of our Let's Talk Business
Summits.
I think that's probably accurate. I
mean, I've been to your offices um you
know, probably more than a decade ago,
but uh yeah, that was a great event that
uh that was put on and uh took a lot out
of it. So, uh hopefully we won't we
won't let it go another 10 years. Yeah,
absolutely. So, thank you so much. So,
for our listeners, our listeners um know
the show. So the show is about uh
nononsense advice trying to get into the
the meat and potatoes so to speak of
building a company in your case you have
built you're part of building companies
sold exited companies and so on and so
forth. So there's a lot we could talk
we'll see how much time we have but for
our listeners that don't know anything
about you uh give us a little bit of
your past history how you got into the
first set of businesses that you had and
then we'll talk about more what you're
doing now and everything in between.
Sure. Yeah. I mean it's it's been it's
been a great journey. one that I never
could have predicted. Um I uh I guess by
training I'm a I'm a securities lawyer,
went to law school, went down that path.
Um and uh after a couple years went into
private practice which in retrospect is
insane um after only you know two two
three years out of law school to try to
do it myself. But what what it led to
was um the first company that uh that I
started with uh my dear friend and
partner who you know as well, Shai
Stern, uh we started a company called
Vintage Filings and we did SEC filings
for publicly traded companies. Not to
get too technical, but but that was
really our audience and it was a great
story. Slept on my couch for 6 months.
Uh had had pizza, breakfast, lunch, and
dinner. and um really tried to grow it
till uh we we hit I think we hit about
120 employees uh not in my basement at
that point and um and we had uh thank
god we had a good exit um in 2007. We
sold the company to a uh a London
conglomerate called UBM. Uh but the
division that bought us was PR Newswire
and um and it was great. It was great.
Um and of course many you know as as we
often do I thought okay everything I
touch is is gold right and we started
myself in particular I got into a weight
loss business and the apparel business
and it all went downhill very quickly.
So the point being like not everything
is always a success. You don't always
hear like all those uh you know I've
never failed categories. I failed I
failed plenty. Um but it was it was a
good reminder for me to go back into the
four walls that I uh that I think I I
knew about which was like corporate
compliance. So just um you know on a on
a high level we we started a company
called uh VC Corp uh which did
incorporation services. We sold later to
Walters Clure. Uh we had a company
called Vcheek Global which did
background checks, due diligence uh
which uh thank god in maybe two three
years ago we sold to a private equity
firm uh Sunstone and right now I really
focus my time split between uh Vto
transfer or transfer agent for about a
thousand publicly traded companies IPO
spaxs things like that and uh and
marketing. I have a a LinkedIn marketing
firm called Share Media. We work with
about 100 plus companies um to help
people tell their story and really you
know scale and brand and and and get
their story out there. So that's that's
high level my uh my go backwards a
little bit and ask you some some
questions but this is for context I
think it's important. I see first of all
from a branding perspective you still
keeping that V. You know what people ask
us what's the V for and my wife jokes
she's going to get me a Superman cape
with the letter V on it. You know it's
it's not that meaningful. Um, other than
when we started the company, Shai and I
looked at each other and there was a
bottle of vintage seltzer on the table.
That was it. No focus groups, no, you
know, you know, test cases, just vintage
seltzer on the table. He said, "Should
we call it vintage filings?" I'm like,
"Great." Um, the domain was taken when
we started and, uh, the only thing
available was V filing. So, we went with
it. We had some success, thank God. And
so, we we we kept with the V the V theme
throughout. I I want to get into like a
lot of companies in especially in in the
last couple of years people start a
company uh with the mindset of exiting
and then there are people that they're
just grinding it building a company and
then all of a sudden either they hit the
plateau or they're very successful or
somebody approaches them. Which one was
it for you? It's actually a great
question. Um and it's funny because
maybe a year or two ago somebody came to
me to potentially invest in in in their
company. It was an insurance business
and um he you know I I was very excited
to bet on the jockey and he had a great
business plan, great model and and his
his sort of presentation was I'm going
to build it. I'm going to be out. You're
going to have your money back in 5
years. And as soon as I heard that he
was building it for an exit, I'm out.
Um, and everybody's different, of
course, but for me personally, the the
um exits that we've had, we always
started the company with the the uh
focus to build the best possible
company. Um, I'm not such a big fan on
budgets and projections because you have
no idea. You know, the goal is you put
your head down, you give it 120% every
day of the week, every hour of the day.
And if you do that correctly, I am a big
believer, as has happened with us,
people will come knocking. we never
really looked um to uh to exit. People
came knocking and and that's that's what
I think typically works best. Mhm. Um
it's it's a great point that you're
making because a lot of times especially
now when people are going out and trying
to raise money from friends and family
or anything like that what ends up
happening is um they create this they go
to third party people to create this
50page uh plan of action and we all know
that give it six months and everything
changes. companies pivot. They thought
about this market. All of a sudden, they
find out that this is not a market.
They're interested in the product. It's
some a totally different market. So, I
I'm a strong believer that if you're
taking somebody else's money, you have
to have a plan. So, but if it's more
than one or two pages, I think it's it
then you're just trying to make it more
exciting than it is. It's this is the
projection. This is the business. This
is the service. Yeah. And I think I
think you're right. And I think that the
times have changed over the last many
years where we've become in general not
just the investment community but um
even to pick up clients and
presentations we're we're a much more
visual type of um world than we were 5
10 years ago. So you know maybe many
years ago you needed that that 20page
deck to really explain everything. But
now, if you do it right, um, and you can
tell people the story, the high level,
the opportunity, the potential risks,
uh, why you think you're going to do
well, um, and really incorporate a very
visual presentation. I think that's
really what works most and, uh, and what
people appreciate.
The there there is a book out there,
you're probably familiar with it, built
to sell. And in that book, obviously,
um, goes in in in greater detail of
structuring a company in a way that you
could sell. sell it doesn't mean you
have to sell it but the company has to
be set up that if you need to take if
you have to extract yourself from it the
the company survives. Um have was your
company set up that way so if somebody
else could come in and take it over? So,
so there is an element of that concern
and that's a very valid point
where and there's always that dynamic
that people have to balance right to
being the face of the company versus uh
representing the company versus well I'm
just part of the bigger uh wheel and I
can be pulled out and so somebody can
come in buy it and then continue on. Um
I think that is a very very delicate
balance. um one that we've always um
we've always focused on the personal
relationships. We've always presented it
as you know whether it's this partner or
that partner. Um people knew us by name.
Um and and when it did come time to
sell, the only thing that was required
was that transition process, right?
whether it's another 6 months or 12
months where you stay on as a consultant
or you have an earnout but but your job
at that point is to then and I think it
can be done post sale to then transition
say listen I'm still here for you but
here's the new team and they may want to
put in a new face versus just have it as
a faceless nameless company um so I
think every company is different every
service is different but that's a very
it is an important point where you don't
want to be too um ingrained into the
operations where you would never be able
to uh to turn it over to somebody else.
Got it. Now, when it came you said this
this particular um um buyer came
knocking on your door. Um I know there
there's different ways how people go
about it. They want to build competition
when it comes to an offer to see
multiple potential buyers and see how
which one aligns more with their values,
which one aligns more with the financial
structure and so on and so forth. Have
you gone through that process or it
basically you got a a great offer and
you finalized a deal with that? That's a
good question. Um each deal was
different. Um the first one uh we we
definitely said to ourselves initially
like, "Oh, somebody wants to buy us.
Maybe we should see if there's other
people that have an interest." Um and we
did. We we definitely did speak to um
some of the competitors in the industry.
What we were looking for at that point
was more of a strategic buyer, right?
Not somebody that was just going to
write the check, but you know, we did
SEC filings at the time. they were doing
press releases and there was the the
assumption that there was going to be
this natural integration of being able
to upsell each other's customers. Um,
but we did speak to other people. We did
speak to other competitors and uh it
happened to be that the the the way we
went at the end was that initial buyer
PR Newswire. Um, with some of the other
ones, we put feelers out there, but it
wasn't like this all out, uh, let's pit
each one against the other and raise the
price, which is which is often done. I I
think, and you may be able to speak of
this more, but I think that that's most
often done when you're dealing with a
broker that's involved in trying to
bring uh potential buyers to the table.
In in uh in the situations we were
involved with, it there there was no
real real middleman that was trying to
drive that uh competition. Got it. Now,
um, was that was that a moment in your
life and again now you've done it more
than once. Was that a moment in your
life where you were very emotional
connected to your business and this was
like a let down that I'm you know I'm
giving it away. So I'll I'll share with
you I'll be I'll be vulnerable to you
and your audience. I'll share with you
two two of the exits. The first was
after we sold vintage. Um I I literally
remember u Shai and I, my partner and I,
we looked on the screen, we saw the wire
hit, we hugged each other, we kissed and
and and definitely a a a tear came to my
eye like this was this was like a gift
from God for sure. Um, and it did take
some time for me to adjust on an
emotional and a personal level because I
had spent years identifying myself as
Vintage Filings and everybody in the
industry knew us as Vintage Filings. And
once we gave it away, so to say, I was
like, who am I? And what am I going to
do? I mean, not from a not from a, you
know, a Parnosa standpoint, but just
from like what what am I all about? Um,
and and fortunately I was able to stick
with the company for a few years and
then rebuild and brand in that in that
same category when when we sold VCRP to
answer your specific question. It's
funny because we sold VCorp I think on a
Wednesday and I found myself Thursday
morning. Oh no, we sold uh we sold we
sold Vichch I think like on a Wednesday
morning. Thursday morning um I was still
setting up the table at a conference. It
was like 7 a.m. I was there doing the
fcoed uh banner and the skirt and
putting out the mints and I said to
myself like what the heck am I doing?
Like I literally just had a
multi-million dollar exit last night and
today I'm the the no leer that's putting
out the mints. But you know what? It
didn't bother me because you know that
was the difference. Like this is who I
am. I like building companies. I have
enjoyment from trying to bring value to
other people. So, I didn't look at it as
like, oh, you know, you're the schmo
that's setting up the booth. I was like,
I'm I'm I'm grateful that I have another
opportunity to to build up again. And
so, that's that's the the way I look at
it. Yeah. I actually learned learned
this today um in in the Gmorrah today,
you
know, which means there there's two ways
of looking at when he loses money or
when he makes his money, does he now
change his lifestyle? Everything gets
changed because he made some money.
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business. Now, let me just go a little
bit deeper on this conversation is if
you look back on those exits, um like in
and for our listeners, let's say that
potentially an exit might be in in the
foresight or whatever it is, is there
any like pieces of advice you would give
a person as they're going through the
process?
Um, you know, I think that it's going to
be really unique for each for each
company, each sale. Um, and and
everybody's going to have different
reasons for selling, right? And I think
that plays a big part. Um, you meaning
sometimes people will sell a company
because they feel that they've reached
the peak and they don't want to take a
risk on having, you know, some some
compliance regulation come out tomorrow
which undoes the need for them and then
they're left with nothing. So, you know,
that's one reason. The other reason is
because you get an offer you can't
resist. You don't want to jeopardize
that. Other times it's that you see the
writing on the wall for, you know, AI
coming out, so you know that you're not
going to have, you know, a 10-year run
ahead of you. Um, or sometimes there's,
you know, partner strife. And so, I
think it really depends on on the reason
for the sale. Um, I I and I and I try
not to ever look back. That's just like
a a philosophical Yeah. I'm asking more
in particular like what to be like what
is like red flags or anything to look be
at the lookout when they're negotiating
or when they're getting approached. I
think that important thing and again
that's a personal um checklist for you.
you know, I I would, you know, if I were
to sell now, um likely I would want to
make sure that I have the attorneys uh
solidify the if it's consulting
agreement or the employment agreement,
uh you want to have the ability to do
other things. You don't want to be
committed and locked in too long. Um I
think that um you know the non-competes,
it's funny because when you sign a
non-compete when you sell, you know,
sometimes that's negotiated, right?
anywhere from three, five, seven years.
And I think at the beginning I was like,
seven years is like a lifetime away.
Like who cares about what the
non-compete says? And then after like I
don't know a year, year and a half
you're like, "Oh my god, I can't do this
again for seven years. That's that's an
eternity." Um, and so I think that some
of those aspects are things that I would
look at again. Um, you know, if if I
were doing those over or or any any
future sale. It's so interesting you're
mentioning that because I spoke recently
to somebody that sold a very very um
high-profile um exit so to speak and one
of the things and you could see it also
it's a very common that even comp even
even people that that get like
employment agreement to stay with the
company they don't last because they
start seeing a whole different culture
come in company being dismantled things
change so much and that's the thing they
they they grow they grew they grew they
grew this and they grew and and and they
feel like like like somebody trying to
um to you know to take care of their
kids you know it's my kids I know how to
deal with them like and so on and so
forth so he told me something very
interesting because you're mentioning
the same point he says um when you are
negotiating you almost think of course
give me the money I I'll sign whatever
non-compete you want like why should I
want to compete you just take it and
give me my money but then all of a
sudden you start seeing how they're
dismantling what you built and say you
know what I have to go back to the space
I have to redo it again and I have to do
it better even better than I had it in
the past and then all of a sudden whoops
I have an uncompete like okay I'm
waiting it out when is the seven year or
five year because I have to go back for
me I mean you rais a great point meaning
for me it's also in the past and and in
the future nothing planned full
disclosure you know love what we do now
but you know I think that if you care
about your reputation um and you truly
care about your clients which I'd like
to think that I do you want to make that
the new buyers are going to show them
that same high level of service and and
love and commitment, you know, just to
get the check and then turn it over to
guys that are going to just, you know,
undo the reputation. And and that, you
know, it certainly could happen. They
can totally undo the reputation. And
then all those relationships, for me,
the number one asset in business are the
relationships. And if somebody's going
to undo those relationships by not
treating them properly, then it may not
may not be worth the check. Mhm. Let me
ask you another question. So as soon as
you did the first exit and then you went
into the new the second venture, I think
it was VC Corp or Ve VCorp. Have you
started the second company differently
now that you had an exit and you saw
what's important?
No. Um I will give advice because it's
easy to give advice rather than give
myself advice and listen, which I did
not four times already. Um, so many the
next time I start a company, please play
back this this podcast for me. Um, and
it's very basic. The the I would say the
biggest mistake that I made in all the
companies is not having the right CRM
system. That's like a very technical
comment, but I think it's super
important. Um, you know, and I promised
myself that when we when we when we sold
Vintage, I was like, next business I'm
going to have a CRM. I'm going to have
all that data at my fingertips and be
able to segregate and follow up and and
and I didn't. And then the next one I
was like, this one I'm really going to
do as and I did it. And the next one, I
mean, of course, we have access to all
the data, you know, as a transfer agent
working with a thousand companies. I
think we work with hundreds of thousands
of shareholders. So, we we have the
data, but anybody who is um you know,
really wants to scale and grow, um many
people, I'm sure, have it in place. But
that's something I uh I said if I do it
again, that's what I'm going to make
sure that I have in place. And the
reason for that is is is in terms of of
of the because data is king. Like you
want to have the data to be able to to
to speak speak about that. Yeah. I mean,
I think that you know, data is king in
that, you know, myself included, we're
all so focused on finding new clients,
right? Like LinkedIn and conferences and
and meetings and and and finding new
people, new people, new people. And then
at some point it dawns on me like one
second. I've been in business for 20
plus years. I've got 10,000 connections
and emails and former clients. I'm like,
how am I how am I getting in front of
them? How am I staying top of mind
presence organically um in front of
them? So, you know, the the solution for
that, which is pretty hot over the last
18 months, are newsletters, right? So,
you send out newsletters. Even if they
delete it in in 4 seconds, it's it's
accomplished its point, right? they see
your name again, the brand, this that.
But I think the CRM is super important
because it'll let it allows you to stay
that top of- mind presence to all the
the the relationships that you're not
necessarily in touch with. Exactly. I'll
just expand on that for our listeners.
Um you you could see even sometimes even
retail establishments, they'll spend so
much money to get the customer in and
then while the customer comes in, they
they neglect giving them the service
that they should become the talking
billboard, that remarkable experience,
so to speak.
And we always do it like even large
companies. Think about you know recently
I posted on on LinkedIn that I think we
should make it mandatory every CEO of a
large company has to call in the
customer service at least twice a month.
Uh because just understand you're
sitting there about approving billions
of dollar or millions of dollar
marketing budgets and then just call in
your customer service. See how how many
times you have to be transferred to get
an answer. Spend the money there. Great
point. It's a great point and that makes
a big difference. And you know, I always
joke around, you know, at one point I
was chasing this uh this big law firm,
Amla 100, and the guy wouldn't give me
literally would not give me the time a
day. After a couple months, he he sends
me an email. He's like, "Oh, I'm giving
you this IPO." And I'm like, "John,
amazing. I appreciate it. I'm thankful,
but can I ask like what what flipped
that switch for you that all of a sudden
you're you're comfortable giving us the
business?" So he says, "I'll tell you
like this." Says, "I called your office.
I needed to speak to you. And this
woman, Erica, shout out to Erica, who
answered the phone was so pleasant and
was so energetic and was so helpful and
eager to please. I said, "If that's the
kind of people that you have working
there, then I'm comfortable selling my
business." So, it wasn't the the $10,000
conference or the choskus or the, you
know, the ads or or the LinkedIn. It was
the person who answers the phone. And
and to your point, like, yeah, we should
be checking on that more often.
Beautiful. So, so let's say you
throughout the different companies,
you've worked with so many different
sectors and so many different
entrepreneurs and businesses and
successful companies. Uh, what have you
picked up as a common denominator, a
common theme? Obviously, one of them we
touched now, which is customer service.
Is there any other things you have
picked up where really um um you know
sets apart companies that you know were
hanging in versus grown scale?
I I would say that there's probably a
lot of um a lot of outside factors, a
lot of outliers, you know, depending on
the industry and the timing and the
markets, etc. But I I I'm a big believer
that the common denominator, there's two
there's two. One is my observation. The
other is what a CEO recently told me. Um
the one that the CEO recently told me is
consistent messaging. Meaning people
want to know um updates. They want to
have consistency to know that you say
you're going to do something and you do
it. Um, you can't like, you know,
depending if the type it's the type of
company that puts out a press release.
You can't put out a press release in
January, disappear for seven or eight
months, and then put out another press
release and be like, well, why is nobody
buying my stock or why is nobody buying
my product or why doesn't anybody want
to invest? You have to have consistent
messaging. Um and I guess that's a segue
to I'm a big believer that some of the
most successful companies it comes down
to um something very simple which is was
just storytelling. Um, you know, don't
make it dry and cookie cutter like you
go, you know, you've you and I have been
to so many presentations and conferences
where a CEO has a five minute slot or a
10-minute slot to really dazzle the
crowd and really connect with them and
instead he's just throwing up an Excel
sheet and reading the numbers off the
PowerPoint. Like I can see that I don't
need you to do that with your five
minutes. So having somebody that can
storytell um be authentic um whether
it's in person, at a conference, on
video, on social in any fa fashion that
works, but being able to really um take
your your product or your service or
your company, but put it into story
format. I think those are the ones that
really, you know, get the word out there
and are successful about it. Mhm. Um
I'll I'll just just add to that is that
the storytelling is something important
even internally like if in order to
rally around your people and making
keeping them motivated and keeping them
upbeat in order to deliver excellent
service and quality whatever it is is if
they have a leader that's constantly
storytelling telling where the company's
going what are we doing how are we
winning and so on and so forth even when
there's you know hard times you know
like you know we've all witnessed this
through you know like through covid when
companies collapse And the company
survived because their employees were
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c. Okay, so now comes the tough one.
You're building all these companies and
all of a sudden you're in
marketing. What is tell us about the the
how did you get started to share media?
It it it really came about
um I mean it it came out of need like
and I think that's an important um an
important point for for anybody that's
either starting a company or has a
company like if you see that it come
there's two types of businesses right it
means you've got some that are luxury
items and then you've got some that are
um plugging up a painoint right um I've
always liked the painpoint ones because
luxury is a nice to have a painoint
solution is a have to
Um, and so what what I like to do very
often is just listen, listen, listen,
listen. Like if something if somebody
complains, if I hear like the same
complaint four, five, six times within a
couple weeks span, I'm like, why does
everybody have this problem? And then
like, okay, how could we solve it? So
that's that's really what happened is
that um all these CEOs that we work
with, private companies, public
companies, law firms, accounting firms,
they say like, how do we um how do we
get the story out there? Which IR firms
do you recommend? which PR firms and and
they're all great and they all serve
their purpose, but I felt like and the
clients felt like it was intangible.
Like how do I measure that that exposure
or that success? So finally a guy uh he
was a CEO of a biotech a NASDAQ company
friend he says, "Seth you've got 30,000
connections. Just do for me what you do
for yourself. Very simple." And I'm
like, "It's not so simple. I can't just
replicate it because it's somewhat
personalized." Um he says, "Try it. Try
it." And we did. and um and and it was
pretty successful. You know, we started
doing uh content and graphics and he
wanted this guy in particular wanted to
be connected to not necessarily capital
but every neurologist in the United
States. So through LinkedIn you have
that unique ability to do that. So now
when the posts were going out it was
landing on an audience that he really
wanted to get in front of. It's like
it's as if many of you gave a TED talks
5 days a week to an audience of people
that you handpicked to come to to
listen. Doesn't get better than that.
So, so thank God it went from, you know,
one to to another. A guy in uh in
pharma, a guy in electric vehicles and
esports. So, you know, fast forward,
we've probably done about 160 different
types of industries. Um, and it all
comes through uh through LinkedIn. And
so, it worked for me um you know, to
build businesses through LinkedIn. At
the end of the day, I am uh I'm a pretty
antisocial guy. So if I had my choice
being at a conference, I'd be the
Schmenrich in the corner like pretending
to be on my phone so that I don't have
to go up to a stranger and introduce
myself. But with LinkedIn, I find that
if I can post something valuable, then
already I don't mind that warm
conversation or or outreach. And so uh
that's how the uh the LinkedIn marketing
firm uh got started. So it's it's purely
LinkedIn at this point. It's purely
LinkedIn. We like to do what we do well.
Um, and is it just about posting or is
it also about DMing or stuff like are
you managing the back? Everything. It's
connecting, it's content, it's graphics,
it's um strategy, it's um, you know, a
little bit of uh, recgnissance of seeing
what are your competitors doing and how
are they presenting it. And um, you
know, I really feel that it's a it's a
platform that you know, when we first
started, everybody's like, "Oh, I'm not
looking to hire. I don't want to put a
resume on there." like that's what
LinkedIn was known for. But uh I really
feel like now um it's not utilized often
enough or well enough. Uh but those
those who and it's not rocket science
like anything that we do can be done if
you had an extra 10 hours and a graphics
marketing team in in in your office. But
um yeah, it's uh it's really something
that I think people should uh should
should spend more time on. Let me ask
you a question because this is a
question um a lot of um people ask me
constantly. Um, so you could you could
go on LinkedIn be especially if it's not
you're not the owner of the company.
That's the question is even more
relevant. Let's say you're top sales guy
in a company. Um, should I promote the
company? Should I should I build my own
personal brand? How do you mix the two?
Yeah, that's a great question. Um, and I
think that most of the people that we're
working uh on or for are executives of
the company, high level CEO, CFO,
partners at law firms, things like that.
But to answer your question is I I
strongly feel it has to be and it should
be both. Meaning you have to pro promote
um the the business element of it
because you want people to see you as a
professional, right? If you're selling a
widget or or a service, you want people
to know that you are a thought leader or
a resource of that category. But at the
same time, people want to get to know
you and you want them to get to know
you. So post that you I was talking to
the CEO the other day. He's a big uh
lacrosse player. Um, I started taking
tennis lessons. So, I think sometimes
people will connect with me or follow me
or want to have a conversation with me
just because, hey, I'm also taking
tennis lessons at 52 years old. So, we
have something in common and then we get
on the phone and then we start talking
business. So, it's that authenticity
that we try to encourage and we try to
provide. But, but to answer your
question, I think it has to be a hybrid
in order for it to really be successful.
Mhm. I must ask you um how do you feel
AI will change the game on for content
online? It has already way changed it.
Way changed it. Um you know the stuff
that we were offering to do four or five
years ago people are like oh I could do
that myself now. And and some can some
can. It's just a question of um the
level that you want to be portrayed as.
Right. So when I see a post and and it's
just generated by chat GBT, both image
and content, I know it, you know it, I
think we all know it that it's just, you
know, spit it out. Um, I I embrace AI. I
think that, you know, if you have the
right tools and prompts and and the
graphic team to customize it, then it's
a great enhancing tool to provide an
even better end product. Um, but I think
that I I think that I'm excited about
ways that we can utilize it. I'm not
concerned that it's going to replace
anything. Um because th those that do,
it's going to be too noticeable to be
effective. Yeah, we actually had a
meeting. We constantly we we actually um
created internally a a challenge and
every week somebody else should um is is
actually reporting back to the rest of
the team what they have achieved with
AI. Oh, I love that. Um, yeah. And and
the the purpose for that is um because
we also don't feel it's going to replace
us, but if we don't make our lives
easier with AI, then we're going to be
obsolete. Yeah. I spent a lot of time
looking at these different like what's
what's out there next. You know, I saw
one uh yesterday, you know, click of a
button, you can provide a 12-page
carousel. Like it it used to take our
team, you know, I don't know, four or
five hours to to to put something like
that together. So, um, yeah, I'm always
looking to see what's what's around the
corner. Very cool. So, obviously, we're
also living in a time now where where
the economy is a little bit of a a rocky
roll, so to speak. Different industries
are being shaken up by different things
happening in the in the universe, let's
call it. Um, what advice would you give
for this young entrepreneur starting? Is
it a time to start? if they have an idea
to start. Is it is it the right time to
go into a business or is it something
that based on your years of experience
seeing seeing the market volatility?
Yeah. So, um I guess uh I guess my age
can be helpful meaning when we uh when
we sold in
2007 um you know the crash of 2008
um you know full disclosure again uh be
vulnerable. I panicked, right? That was
the first time in my business career
that everything just fell apart. Um, but
like really fell apart where I I
remember there's a time even where we
worked really hard to get an account
from Lehman Brothers and it was like a
$2 million account and um and I called
up uh we were just waiting like on the
final signature and I called up uh my
contact and the secretary there was like
oh Laura who? And I'm like, you know,
Laura so and so, you know, from from the
this department, like, and you hear
silence and she's like, oh, she's no
longer here. And I'm like, no, that
can't be. Like, that was the last, you
know, last signature for a $2 million
account. And it was gone like that. So,
it that that year taught me a lot in
terms of business and in terms of that
you can't panic. You know, hopefully the
the rule of thumb is that things will
come back. Um, and we've seen in
follow-ups to that that when things
drop, they they have come back. And so,
no, I I think it's a great time to dig
in, um, you know, and it's cliche to
say, but if you can if you can build and
brand and and and do well in in a tough
time like this, that when things, you
know, hopefully do come back, you're
going to be hitting your stride and and
and it's going to, you know, the wind
will take your sales that much further.
Beautiful. Where could people find out
more about you and what you post about?
Um, LinkedIn, sethman, uh,
vsstocktransfer.com or
shermedia.co. Um, or email me
sephvstocktransfer.com. I try to answer
everything. Beautiful. For the links,
resources mentioned this in this
episode. Check out the show notes at
www.petgroup.com/mpodcast where we'll
link to your LinkedIn of course and to
the websites that was just mentioned.
Let's close with the four rapid fire
questions. Are you ready? Oh, boy. Okay.
Number one, a book that changed your
life.
The Goggiver.
Great book. Um, we had him on the show
like what was um Rob Berg. Rob Yeah,
Bobberg. Of course. Great. Great guy.
Really one of the nicest, you know, most
sincere people I've ever met. Exactly.
Number two, a piece of advice you got
that you'll never forget.
Um, I would say that the definition of
the definition of happiness means
different things to different people. So
whether that's for yourself or for the
people you're trying to uh to reach out
to, that's that's something I always
remember. So true. Number three,
anything you wish you could go back and
do differently.
No.
Love it. And last and final question,
what's still on your bucket list to
achieve?
Uh still on my bucket list to achieve.
Well, thank God with uh seven kids and
grandkids, we've got a lot of uh yeshiva
tuition to pay and a lot of uh a lot of
shoes and a lot of uh a lot of good
things. So hopefully we can uh continue
to find good good ideas uh good
companies, give value to the clients and
uh you know keep enjoying it. Seth,
thank you so much for joining us. I know
your time is valuable. That is why in
the name of our listeners will forever
be grateful for sharing some of your
time with us today. It's been a
pleasure. Thanks Manny. Always take
care. Thanks. That's my conversation
with Seth Farman. My takeaway from this
one, number one, build smart, not just
to sell. If you focus on doing good work
and solving real problems, the right
people will come knocking. Number two, a
CRM for your business isn't optional.
While it may not be exciting, but if
you're not tracking your relationship
and staying top of mind, you're leaving
a lot on the table. Number three,
details matter. Sometimes it's not the
pitch, the deck, or the product. Is the
person answering your phone that win you
win you the client? Number four, learn
to tell your story. Your story is what
connects people to your business. And if
you don't tell it, someone else will and
not the way you want it. And number
five, the exit isn't the end. You'll
still got to show up, keep growing, and
stay aligned with who you are and what
you are about. So whether you're in
starting out or already deep in it,
there's a lot here to take back from
this episode to your own business. Now
go and implement.
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